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June 2, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 2777: Kevin Mccarthy Threw Away MAGA's Leverage
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ben cline
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steve bannon
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steve stern
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
joe scarborough
This is going to be a massive crisis.
The fact that Joe Biden was able to do what Joe Biden was able to do once again, and that Kevin McCarthy basically stared down the extremists in his own caucus.
A really big deal.
Columnist David Ignatius has a piece in the Washington Post titled, Biden is delivering on his most far-fetched pledge, compromise.
David writes in part this.
mika brzezinski
The president's congenital eccentricism is easy to criticize, especially in this era of hard, polarizing views.
He's a conciliator, a dealmaker, who likes to say yes and has trouble saying no.
He's also risk-averse, and he avoids escalation when facing potential catastrophe, whether it's war with Russia or a budget default.
One memorable moment in the budget drama came when Representative Chip Roy, one of the most fanatical GOP diehards, sputtered that the deal was a turd sandwich.
Well, the majority of Republicans decided to eat it.
Biden's tavistic embrace of McCarthy, two white male Irish Catholics cutting a deal in private, is hardly the summit of American politics.
But it was a good faith negotiation that solved a big problem.
My whole soul is in this.
Bringing America together, Biden said at his inauguration.
He meant it.
And this week, he delivered.
joe scarborough
I mean, not only delivered this week, he's been delivering for quite some time, Willie.
I mean, you look and said this, make no mistake.
Biden crushed the extremes once again and cleared out his face in the middle big enough to drive a truck through.
He may have trouble riding a bike or walking across the stage, but the man knows how to get things done in D.C. better than any president since Reagan.
unidentified
What are they saying? They've got a handshake agreement with Joe Biden?
I mean, I can't believe it.
But here's the real killer.
It took the debt ceiling out to the January 1, 2025, a year longer than the Republican bill proposed.
Here's a piece of information for your viewers.
I just heard it tonight from the speaker in the conference.
He said the reason that happened was his call.
It wasn't even asked for by the Democrats.
He didn't want to end up in another negotiation with Joe Biden next year because he believed that they would ask for more.
That's what he said. That's you understand?
That's a four trillion, maybe five or six trillion dollar increase in debt that we just let him have.
And the speaker says he made the call.
steve bannon
It's Friday to June in the year of our Lord, 2023.
And as a what is a white Irish Catholic male, I take umbrage with Irish Catholic males supposed to be born fighting, not born surrendering.
I'm going to be very specific today.
And not that I don't have a vested interest in these things, but the whole thing with Ray, the whole situation with Ray, that is a shiny toy that McCarthy's team's putting out there.
The J6 tapes. And I've got tons of respect for John Solomon and Julie Kelly and obviously Revolver News, all of it.
That's very important. We can get to that next week.
We can get to Ray next week.
They're trying to divert your attention, and we're not going to be diverted.
This is what honey badgers do.
We're not going to be diverted.
We're going to go down into the ant hole and get the ants.
This is, and I played the part, they're playing on Fox and they're playing all the social media and the influencers are playing.
Joe Biden faceplant.
Yeah, he faceplanted, okay?
He's a feckless, hapless old man.
And he owns not just Kevin McCarthy but the Republican Party.
The Republican Party has died over the last 48 hours.
Remember, the Senate, all the big things they're going to do in the Senate, try to hold it up.
They voted into the night so they can take their three-day holiday.
Here's the most important thing, take their three-day holiday.
Everybody wants to get out of town. Hey, you can't do it.
We're going to set the direction of the country for...
A decade, but let's get out of town.
Do we have the dictator? I'm going to bring in Ben Klein from Virginia's Sixth Amendment.
Let me play. I want to play because we're going to have an accountability.
This is not about holding Joe Biden accountable.
You've given that up. The Republican Party gave that up.
They've in fact codified the radicalness of his entire agenda.
And all the stuff you see, the tissue of lies that this deal is, it's a tissue of lies.
It's a nothing burger. And they gave him two years.
And a minimum of $4 trillion.
A minimum of $4 trillion.
And that's deficits. Remember, he gets to spend $17 trillion, evoking and weaponized.
And don't talk to me about the appropriations process.
You saw the Senate with the same 19, 17, 19 collaborationist Republicans are never going to approve their appropriations.
They're going to get to a showdown at the end of September.
And you think that Kevin McCarthy, who had all the leverage here, with all the leverage, that on the evening of September 30th, He's going to say, I call your bluff, shut down the government.
Do you honestly think he's going to do that?
Well, trust me, he will not.
We'll roll over, get another CR, another fiasco.
It's all coming. And this is because of Kevin McCarthy and the 149.
The deeper story, and we're going to get into that to the second hour because Congressman Andrew Clyde, a Navy Seabee, who these guys know what they're doing, he's going to be in studio and he's going to talk to even the more important vote.
We're going to get down to the Rules Committee vote about getting the rule to the floor and what the deals were and what the pressure and what they threatened these courageous congressmen with.
Let me play, before I bring a client, let me play Dick Durbin.
Dick Durbin said the quiet part out loud yesterday.
brianna keilar
Let's hear it. This is just going to become the norm whenever this needs to be raised.
unidentified
Well, that's why the starting point in this negotiation, which Speaker McCarthy insisted on, was that we would postpone facing this again at least until the end of next year.
And that, to me, is a promise that really convinced a lot of us that we can move forward and not have this hanging over our heads.
brianna keilar
All right, Senator Durbin, thank you.
steve bannon
Speaker McCarthy insisted, insisted.
Upon taking off the cap and taking off the second year, as he told his conference, because we'll be in a weaker position.
What does that mean?
You just approved all of Biden's things.
Wouldn't the democratic economy be melting down?
What he may have next year were going to be weaker?
Well, I tell you what, everybody out there, close your checks book.
Don't give any money to McCarthy and any of that.
Don't give him any money. See, because until they come forward and say, hey, what do you mean?
Why am I giving money if you're going to be weaker?
You said you're not going to do this because you're going to be weaker?
You're going to be weaker? We're going to be weaker.
Next May we're going to actually be weaker?
No. That's not the reason.
We'll get to that. Congressman Klein, you were one of the courageous individuals that fought this.
Give me your assessment. I like your assessment of this deal and what took place here and what we've codified.
And I would also like Virginia 6.
I'm a Virginian. I would like to know what your constituents down in that gray district think also, sir.
ben cline
Well, thanks for having me.
They are furious. They recognize that this is just capitulation to the left, a codification of the radical Biden agenda.
And we could have gotten a better deal, but instead we were the ones who blinked first.
And that is unsettling, and it has blown wide open the rift between conservatives and the uniparty.
And where we had unity, Behind the Limit, Save, Grow Act, when McCarthy led from the conservative viewpoint, you know, essentially took the list that the Freedom Caucus submitted to leadership and said, this is what we need to see in a debt ceiling increase.
That was Limit, Save, Grow.
And to go in with the White House and walk out with nothing or barely nothing, it was embarrassing for our ability to negotiate and does not bode well for the future.
steve bannon
Congressman, why would they do that?
I mean, we've set now the template for the economy for the next decade.
This is basically kind of agreeing to $14 to $15 trillion of spending.
And that's not even the supplements they're talking about.
They're already talking about a Ukraine supplement.
But $14 to $15 trillion of overall spending with a minimum of $4 trillion added to the national debt.
How could McCarthy and these guys think of that?
What is the mentality that thinks and codify all of Biden's programs and radicalism?
How did they think?
Walk me through the internal logic of how we got here, how we got to the capitulation.
ben cline
Well, when you're looking at a debt ceiling that needs to be raised because of Nancy Pelosi's trillion-dollar spending.
You don't just renew the credit card.
You don't just up the limits.
You actually attach necessary reforms to stop the spending.
And that's what we did with LimitSave Grow, but the Uniparty loves to spend.
And so they went ahead and capitulated to the center that wanted to keep spending, and by kicking it to the next cycle, Essentially, you've set up a showdown now with a lame duck.
We have a chance to take back the Senate.
Instead of waiting even until January, now you're going to have December after the results of the next election.
You're going to have potentially another Dick Durbin, Joe Biden negotiation to We should kick this another $4 trillion or more into the stratosphere.
But what we need was reforms and only a one-year extension.
$1.4 trillion was in Limit Save Grow that got us to about next March.
And with Joe Biden in the middle of a reelect campaign, he didn't want that.
And we should have embraced that timeline, those reforms, And the savings that were necessary to actually turn this ship in the right direction instead were continuing over the cliff, over the falls, as it were, into bankruptcy. We're dedicated here at the War Room to take this to the people.
steve bannon
We want to hear what the constituents say.
When you go back, what do the folks in Virginia 6 tell you, Congressman Klein, and how do they want held accountable?
Give me the process of what they would like to see, how you would hold people accountable here.
ben cline
Well, they're furious about Congress, Washington, the Uniparty, and they're recognizing that things have to change.
And so, when it comes to inflation, they see it at the grocery store, they see it at the pump.
They want us to pass HR1. They wanted us to become energy independent again.
And when we put HR1 in Limit, Save, Grow, they said good.
And now, when we walk out and all we have is just eating around the edges of permitting reform, That's unacceptable to them.
When we have the IRS agents knocking on the door of Matt Taibbi when he's testifying before Congress, that is the example of the weaponization of the deep state and its use against conservatives, and my constituents feel it.
They feel it when their comments get taken down on social media.
They feel it when they're not allowed to say their piece at school board meetings.
They're registered as terrorists with the FBI. So they view what we're trying to do, what Jim Jordan on judiciary is trying to do, what I'm trying to do on my subcommittee, is trying to get compliance from the IRS, from the FTC, from the DOJ, all the three-letter agencies.
When it comes to our demands for information, we can hold them accountable if we can get the information.
That's why Comer's been so insistent on getting the documents from Ray.
And he's going to be looking at them today.
And we're going to follow wherever the facts lead on the Biden family business.
And you bet judiciary is going to be busy.
We've got Mayorkas impeachment hopefully coming up.
I've spoken to Jim Jordan directly, told him we've got to get going on that because we have an open border and we need this administration to realize we're not joking around, that people are dying in the 6th District of Virginia because of all the fentanyl coming across the border.
steve bannon
Congressman, could you just hang on for a second?
We'll take a short commercial break, and I just got a couple more questions for you about this.
Congressman Ben Klein joins us from the Commonwealth of Virginia, Virginia 6.
We're also going to have Jeff Clark. Congressman just brought up about the permitting.
We're going to drill down on that.
From the DOJ, Jeff Clark was there for President Trump, and this was his area.
He's actually going to walk through the term nibbling at the edges.
unidentified
We're going to unpack that all next in the War Room.
We rejoice when there's no more.
Let's take down the CCP!
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Congressman Ben Kline from Virginia 6 joins us.
steve bannon
Congressman Ben Kline from Virginia 6 joins us.
6 joins us.
Congressman, we're going to have Andrew Clyde on here in the second hour from Georgia.
And we're going to talk, he's coming in specifically, we're going to talk about the rules.
People should understand the inside baseball, the rules vote was actually...
More important than even the vote on the floor for the bill itself because this could actually have stopped it.
And this is where Kevin McCarthy made Hakeem Jeffries majority leader because he had to get bailed out.
And the word I've got, and there's a couple of articles about it, it was about earmarks, the shifting around earmarks.
But there were other darker...
There were other darker, deeper talks that might have happened, too.
Congressman Klein, you actually voted against the rule.
This was one of the toughest votes ever.
ben cline
Talk to us about that. Well, I didn't do it lightly, but when you have a closed rule on such an important piece of legislation, when you have the inability to make changes to even fix the mistakes, you know,
they They added work requirements for some SNAP benefits, but they put exemptions in for homeless and for people aging out of the foster system, veterans.
But those are permanent and expanded welfare in many instances.
And so the costs were greater.
And so you had this essentially hole in the bucket draining out Savings and adding to the deficit.
So these mistakes should have been addressed through amendments.
They weren't allowing any amendments.
And my other concern was that the agreement with the conservatives to stick to FY22 levels was breached through this agreement.
And so the agreement should have stuck to FY22 levels.
That's what appropriations is.
We should have stuck to the deal that was made.
steve bannon
By doing that vote, you are now a sworn enemy of the apparatus in the Uniparty.
Do you feel they're going to try to come after you?
ben cline
Well, I don't know.
I'm proud to stand with the Freedom Caucus, and we're going to continue to fight for our constituents, the people, the taxpayers across this country who demand change.
And it is going to be a long fight.
We anticipate that.
And I hope that we can get better agreements at rules to have open rules, to have rules that conservatives can be proud of, that Chip Roy and Ralph Norman and Thomas Massey I can vote for in rules and actually allow for conservatives to have their say.
steve bannon
Congressman Klein, how do people follow you?
How do they on social media and your site?
ben cline
Well, it's Klein for Virginia.
The number four is the campaign site, but Rep Ben Klein is Facebook and Twitter and Instagram on the official site.
steve bannon
Congressman, very heroic, and I know your constituents have your back on this, and of course this War Room audience definitely, so thank you very much.
Honored to have you on here, sir. Thank you, sir.
Okay, let's do a reboot. I'm going to get Jeff Clark in here in a second, and we're going to go through and deconstruct this.
It's not that the Ray thing is not important.
It's not that the Nancy Pelosi thing is not important.
It's not laughing at Biden falling on his face, right?
Remember, the guy that fell on his face, face-planted?
You've essentially codified his entire radical agenda, all of it.
Codified. With your money, your effort, your time.
Can I play the Durbin thing again?
I want to make sure, I want to burn this into your soul, the fact that we have unchained Biden And there's no real leverage.
And they're gonna run around with some, either they're gonna have a, you know, and Jim Jordan's gonna have a Judiciary Committee, they're gonna have this, and they're gonna try to get a subpoena, and they're gonna try to do that, all that.
You've given them complete, total runway.
Complete and total runway.
We now understand in high relief, quite stark, that we have a donor party.
Let me play Durbin, and I want to reset this.
I want to make sure everybody understands it, because we must be maniacally focused on this.
They are going to try to divert your attention.
The Ray thinks diversion of attention.
Do you think that, honestly, the J6, that just randomly they put the J6 tapes out?
Just at the very moment when they...
Because they want you... They think it's a shiny toy.
They think you're a fool. That you're going to go run and jump all over that.
Yes, the Nancy Pelosi footage, all this footage is very important.
People are doing a terrific job on it, and we're going to get to that.
And there's plenty of time next week, but right now we've got to talk about the accountability project.
And we don't have to hold Biden accountable.
You can't. You just approved it.
So you're not going to hold him accountable.
Anybody who tells you that is lying to you.
So we have to then hold accountable the people we can hold accountable, and that's the people that you gave your time and effort and money to and betrayed you.
To be blunt about it.
Because we're going to give you the tools.
To be able to grow them when they come back in the district.
They're petrified of going back to the district because they're petrified of what you're going to say.
Like Congressman Klein said, we know this because we've done lots of checkings.
People back in the hinterland are furious about this.
They're furious about this.
They think they've been betrayed.
And they don't believe any of the happy talking points about this is a tissue of lies.
It is a nothing burger.
Quite simply, what they did is take away all your leverage.
The first deal was not great, but it was acceptable.
It was acceptable because it had a cap of $1.4 trillion and it had a duration.
Both time and money.
And basically next March, April, around the end of the primary season, we would then be able to refocus the national campaign On this very issue, the out-of-control spending and the destruction of the balance sheet of the United States of America.
And we knew from the polling at CNN and Rasmussen even got it.
I think Rasmussen, under 50 % of the Republican Party, and that's without it being fully explained, don't support this.
And I would tell you about people that want to, on the polling of CNN, that only want increases to the nation's debt with significant funding cuts, which you don't have here.
You don't have here.
And this fantasy that the appropriations process is going to...
The Senate last night got their work done.
They got their work done in a couple of hours.
It was all performative. You know why?
They had a three-day holiday. They wanted to get out of town.
Eh, you know, it's another $4 trillion minimum.
It's another $14 trillion we've approved to these guys.
Also, we have no leverage.
Zero leverage. And they're sitting there laughing at you.
Look at all the articles I put up on it from Politico, from CNN. They're laughing at you.
The Biden White House is laughing at you.
So don't show me. You know, everybody's sending me things.
Look at this. He fell down again.
He fell down again.
Yeah, the guy that face-planted, the guy that came to keep himself up, he owns you.
Because he owns the party that you put money into.
Owns it. Play the Durbin thing one more time.
Let's do a reset. Play Durbin.
I gotta hear Durbin's voice.
Dick Durbin, one of the worst of the worst.
brianna keilar
Go ahead and hear it....that this is just going to become the norm whenever this needs to be raised.
unidentified
Well, that's why the starting point in this negotiation, which Speaker McCarthy insisted on, was that we would postpone facing this again at least until the end of next year.
And that, to me, is a promise that really convinced a lot of us that we can move forward and not have this hanging over our heads.
brianna keilar
Alright, Senator Durbin, thank you.
steve bannon
You had him. The starting point for negotiations, that Speaker McCarthy insisted, he insisted, and he told the conference, and this is what the conference has to ask him, he insisted, because he said, we'll be in a weaker position next May than we are now.
Oh, really? The unemployment thing, another catastrophe today in the unemployment market, we'll get to that on CNBC, the announcement of that.
But next, we would be weaker.
Well, why would we be weaker?
Are you telling me Biden's programs are going to work?
Are they going to be better?
Will we not want to give them, we didn't want to do it, but a trillion, trillion and a half dollars, which is not chump change, and a seven trillion dollar budget this year?
And then have them come back and have a reset to do that?
Is that not a logical thing to do?
You've got to look at the three negotiators, McCarthy, Graves, and McHenry.
None of the three have ever had a job.
McHenry and Graves have never had jobs.
They've been political. McHenry's a Karl Rove guy.
Graves is just some grundoon.
It's been a political grundoon.
Apparat check his entire life.
Never had jobs. McCarthy ran a hot dog stand.
That's it. You're having one of the most complex negotiations over not just trillions of dollars, but setting the direction of the American economy that will drive the global economy and set it into a decade of Japanese-like lost decade.
And you send three guys that have never had a job in their life, much less negotiated any deals, never had a job.
That's what you did. That was your negotiators.
McHenry is ahead of finance.
Of this whole phony crisis, did they ever call in Yellen and grill her on the actual management of cash and when this was going to happen?
Do you ever remember that? Did House Finance actually get her there and force her to actually give you the numbers?
To show you when she had $123 billion a couple of weeks ago?
Walk us through exactly what this is, where this crisis is?
And can it not be rolled over to like the 15th of June?
This was totally manufactured by the Uniparty.
And the reason – the two reasons – it's not about being weaker.
The two reasons – well, one is the two reasons that they didn't want to reset in May of 2024 is because Donald Trump will be – have just won the primary, and he will now be the standard-bearer for the Republican Party, and they're anti that.
They hate that. And number two, the donors understood in the firestorm of the economy that eventually you're going to have to talk about tax increases for the wealthy, for the oligarchs, for the woke corporations that are jamming down grooming into your kids' lives, okay, into the wealthy progressive Democrats or even the Republican amoral donors.
You're going to have to talk about it.
They don't want that. They understood that the conversation is going to look around and go, well, how are we going to do this?
Some have to bring up the donors don't want the discussion on taxes, and they don't want with Trump being the nominee.
That's what they mean by weaker.
They have to answer for that.
Now, how are we going to do it?
Next, in the War Room.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
willie geist
Thanks for joining us.
I'm gonna go turn over the tables in Washington.
I'm gonna go break a bunch of stuff.
I'm gonna do it the way no one's ever done it to get things done.
And now Joe Biden is offering that contrast of, okay, we tried that.
You saw how that went for four years.
Now, let me sit here quietly, calmly.
Yes, I might be getting up there in years as they acknowledged, but I still know how to get things done in Washington.
jonathan lemire
And he and the Republican leadership Yeah, Biden's pitch since day one has been bipartisanship and experience, his commitment to try to work across the aisle.
He successfully did that with the infrastructure bill.
He did it again here.
He has done things with Democrats alone when needed, the Inflation Reduction Act to name one, but he prefers to work across the aisle, to take the temperature down.
And he has enshrined the achievements of his first two years, they weren't touched in this deal.
It's an important thing the White House says.
And also, we should note, the White House sort of ceded the messaging space here to Republicans the last couple weeks that kept the president sort of out And that annoyed some Democrats, at least.
They said that, look, this is a moment where we should be in there.
We're losing the politics of this.
But it was a deliberate strategy.
I've got new reporting this morning that goes behind the scenes about that, how they felt like if the White House feels like they got a really good deal here, but if they were seen gloating or crowing about it, Republicans might lose, they might lose votes.
They might be less reluctant, less supportive of it.
So they decided to wait.
The victory lap will come another day.
They feel like this is something important for the country.
steve bannon
Okay, hold it, hold it. Stop.
Stop stop stop stop and I'm put a pin in that I want that cut right there They knew What are you gonna do about it?
That's the only question we had before is what are we gonna do about it?
If you're prepared to roll over this you keep sending money if you keep ringing doorbells if you keep doing all of it, then you're part of the problem You're part of the problem You're part of the problem Jonathan Lemire, who's as dialed in as anybody, you know, the AP guy that went to Now Over Politico and on the Morning Joe circuit, on the bench at Morning Joe, they could have laughed.
They were so gleeful and laughing and gloating because they got everything they wanted.
They got the codification of his radical regime with not a penny cut and, in fact, gave him $14 trillion over the next two years to spend, $14 trillion.
Mm-hmm. With Fortran and deficit, and that's just the beginning.
It could be much more. Is the economy is going to slow, and slowing it is, you know, to one, one and a half percent.
Maybe in a recession, but definitely slowing.
You're going to have lower tax revenue.
And the tax structure, you're going to have lower tax revenues.
The deficit is going to be bigger.
That does not even include the supplementals.
Remember, to get out of town, they just kind of put a pin in it.
Oh, we got to come back with a Ukraine supplemental.
They're going to come back with all kinds of supplementals.
You're going to see the Ukraine thing.
That's going to be a couple hundred billion dollars.
Just a little icing on the cake.
A little dessert.
Right? You're going to get all that.
And then you're going to have some hurricanes.
You're going to get more supplementals.
So it's going to be not $4 trillion.
It's going to be $5 trillion or north under your watch.
What you fought for. The Hakeem Jeffries on the rule...
And we're going to have Clyde here.
Remember the rules, the 30 right there, that's the beginning of the corpus of adding to the 20.
Although I say we can do it with the 73.
The rule is everything. Hakeem Jeffries had to come down.
By the way, Hakeem Jeffries, who's now majority leader, Hakeem Jeffries had to come to the floor, waited strategically.
And Hakeem Jeffries, you think Biden played this smart?
He's the man. He's the man.
He's the man. Kevin McCarthy's his bitch, okay?
I know we go to a lot of homeschoolers, and hopefully we can bleep that out.
Maybe it's too late, but let me just be blunt.
Hakeem Jeffries, the power moves he made were spectacular.
The Democrats know how to govern smash mouth.
You don't see them surrendering, and here's what they won't do.
And I've got to give the progressive left a hat tip on this.
They don't go back and try to sugarcoat it to their people.
If they've got to give up something, they've got to do something.
Here they're actually lying to you like you're a fool and an idiot and they're going to throw out a couple of shiny toys.
Let's get the Ray indictment.
Let's get the Ray subpoena out there.
Let's get Fox all worked up on that.
And let's throw the J6. Let's just randomly put the J6. They've had it ever since Tucker got fired.
They've had it forever. Or even when Murdoch shot Tucker down after, what, the first or second night.
They've had it. They couldn't put it at any time.
They strategically did it, the shiny toy, because they think you're a moron.
They think you can go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, let's impeach. Let's go impeach about 10 people.
You can't. When you've got the biggest hammer you're ever going to have, the biggest leverage you're ever going to have, The debt ceiling because it cuts them off from spending money.
When you've got that and you're telling me you're going to impeach people?
unidentified
Okay. Okay.
steve bannon
It's idiocy.
If you don't have the guts and the focus and the clarity of purpose.
The clarity of purpose.
That's what we try to do here at the War Room.
Clarity of purpose and radical simplicity.
What did General Sherman say?
Give me a complicated plan or a simple plan aggressively and maniacally executed.
Like how about this? Why don't we march to the sea?
Let me just throw out something. Let me take Atlanta.
Let's march to the sea.
That's the plan. We're going to march.
We're going to march from Atlanta. We're going to march to Savannah.
We're going to march to the sea and we're going to burn everything in our path.
How about that? Pretty simple.
Simple, guys. You got that?
Burn. March and burn.
A simple plan.
We try to have clarity of purpose and simplicity aggressively executed.
Here, I tell you what, we've got to play it again.
I've got to play Dick Durbin again.
I want to burn this into your soul of what went on here.
We had all the cards.
We had all the leverage.
Kevin McCarthy went into the White House and Dick Durbin said he went into the White House and what did they do?
They offered up to take off the one-year monetary cap of $1.4 trillion in the duration of one year, strip it away, give them full two years.
He insisted upon it.
And he told his conference the reason he insisted upon it, well, we're going to be weaker next year, so let's get a better deal.
Let's give him two years of no cap.
In what planet?
Maybe for a guy who ran a hot dog stand, that's deal logic.
That is not quite deal logic.
Remember, the three guys that did this have never had jobs.
No, I don't consider working for Karl Rove and being a political apparatchik in these state houses and bouncing around.
No, those aren't jobs.
Those aren't jobs. You're political apparatchiks, right?
That's not the real world.
That's not focused on how you build companies or negotiate.
Or run a plant or run a construction site.
That's not a real job.
That's not something you have to manage.
You look with the purpose and the critical path and what I have to bring together.
What's the event horizon? What's the statics and dynamics of this process?
No, that's not it. That's the three.
Did McHenry ever call, as we kept calling for it, did he ever call Janet Yellen down to actually have her walk through the numbers of the committee to actually go through so we had a concrete thing of what the real crisis was?
No. You know why? They didn't want to know that.
They liked the sham.
They like it. So now the question is for you, the people.
This is what populism is about, of which, by the way, they hate.
The donors hate that. You know that.
So the donor party, it's what you're going to do about it.
If you're just prepared to accept this, if you're just prepared to accept this, understand it's over.
This is a time, it's not about Trump, not about Tucker, it's not about Bannon, it's not about, you know, the memory of Rush Limbaugh, the honored memory of Rush Limbaugh.
It's not about any of that. It's not even about the congressman.
It's not about the men and women that did this or stood, not even the patriots stood there.
This is quite simply gut check time with you.
With you. Because that's all that matters.
Your determination, your Weighing and measuring of the situation.
Now that it's going to become clearer and clearer and clearer about what actually went on here.
Are you prepared to accept it?
Are you prepared to support it?
Are you prepared to finance it?
Are you prepared to promote it?
If you are, and there are some people that call themselves Republicans and conservatives, if you are, Then go about it.
But what you have done, what you're supporting, and there's no way around this.
It's as stark and as clear.
When we talk about clarity, let's put clarity.
It is stark and clear as anything that ever possibly could be.
You have signed off on, supported, and financed the single most radical agenda in the history of this republic by an old man They can't even stand up on a stage, a tiny little stage at the Air Force Academy on the football field.
And you're laughing at him, and they're all standing around.
Look at this. Oh, he can't do it.
unidentified
This is a faceplant. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
steve bannon
Funny. Yep.
Funny. Look at Jonathan LaMira.
They're over at the White House. They're laughing at you.
And you're laughing at him falling down on his face.
And, of course, our enemies are sitting there going, this is the Commander-in-Chief of the United States.
This is what they got. They're at the White House.
Laughing at you. They're not laughing at McCarthy.
They're laughing at you.
They're saying these simps, these shmendrix support this.
And they're prepared to come back and hear, oh my gosh, we got better permitting and we took $400 million out of CDC. Right?
Did all these great things.
Right? Did all these great things.
Oh, this is going to be an amazing first time.
And historic transformation.
A historic transformation.
Not only did you get nothing, you got nothing, but you supported and codified.
Remember the word codified.
You codified into law everything they have done.
When you had the ultimate leverage that they couldn't spend anymore, you had them in a corner.
Why were they calling you MAGA extremists?
Why are they calling you terrorists?
Why are you calling you financial capital markets terrorists?
Why? Because you had them in a corner and they couldn't maneuver.
They had to get your authority and your permission.
So the only issue before us now is what are you going to do about it?
What are you going to do about it?
And I want to rub your nose in it.
Because I want you to see it in all its glory.
And people come to see the other things you got.
No, I don't. No, I don't.
Because that doesn't matter right now.
Ecclesiastes tells us the time and season for every this the season for this this is the season for this because this is it this this imperial capital is about power and money and we've given them all the money and they've taken all your power and so now the question before us is Quo Vadis whither thou goest Where do we go here?
And how are people going to be held accountable?
Nothing else matters but the accountability of the 149 and the accountability of leadership.
The Senate is such a debacle.
We just got to leave. You got to deal with the House first.
unidentified
You have to deal with the House first.
steve bannon
And when you hear about what they did on the rules, Remember, the earmarks, the entry drug, the gateway drug into the expanded budget, but how can you even say that when you're going to give him $1.5 trillion, $2 trillion?
All things we thought of earmarks look stupid.
But what he did on the floor was at least give him earmarks away from Republican districts to Democratic districts.
And it may be worse.
Of course, some of the dark rumors are it was about the support of the motion to vacate.
But hey, on the motion to vacate, let's just bring that in the open.
Hakeem Jeffries is the majority leader.
If you've got to do a motion to vacate and rolling motions to vacate, and McCarthy needs Hakeem Jeffries, his partner, to keep him in, let's just get that in front of people.
unidentified
Let's just show exactly what we're dealing with.
steve bannon
The Democrats got everything.
This was Hakeem Jeffries' bill.
This was Biden's bill.
They got it all. The only question before us Is Quo Vadis?
Whither thou goest?
What are you prepared to do about it?
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steve bannon
Jeff Clark, you've got some areas of expertise in this, a specific area of expertise.
One of the things that's touted as a big win, they couldn't get H.R. 1, the full-spectrum energy dominance messaging bill in here, or they could have gotten huge parts like the border security and like WHO. You could have gotten all that.
You could have gotten all that.
It's a giveaway. But they're banging the drum, the permitting, this is going to reverse all of Biden's madness on the net zero carbon and the green energy plan and build back better and everything like that.
jeffrey clark
Is that true, sir? Steve, that is absolutely not true.
I saw Congressman Klein say that these are middling reforms.
That's generous. They're cosmetic reforms at best.
Let me give you one quick example.
In 2004, I was in the Bush Justice Department and we won a big Supreme Court case I was a participant in that said basically this statute called NEPA, the National Environmental Policy Act, which basically is just a gigantic red tape statute that prevents All kinds of projects and federal action from going forward that actually build things that help people like roads and bridges, etc. We won the point that if there was some obligation in law, then you don't need to do any NEPA analysis.
Well, one of the things this bill does is it codifies that.
Gee, thanks. It's a 20-year-old win in a Supreme Court case.
Thanks for you actually just taking that off the shelf and putting it into statutory language.
It's a nothing burger.
All of the NEPA reforms are nothing burgers like that.
And look, I'll unpack some more of the details of that, Steve, but let me tell you about the one thing that is a win, which is that basically they've paved the way on an expedited track to get the Mountain Valley pipeline done.
And they've blocked any ability to go into court and try to stop that project from going forward.
So it shows you if they could do it there, why didn't they do it for the most important project for the country, the Keystone XL pipeline, which I also worked on trying to get done.
That's more important. But why did we get the Mountain Valley pipeline?
We got the Mountain Valley pipeline because it's a project that Joe Manchin wants.
So not only did these folks get played for all of the reasons that you're describing, In terms of the actual debt limit and when it'll come up next time, etc.
They got played on basically enacting into this a whole section that is a Joe Manchin Incumbent Protection Act.
In terms of this Mountain Valley pipeline, it's really an astonishing boondoggle.
And it's remarkable to me that all these Republicans who must have projects, or many of them, in their districts in the House or senators in their states, why didn't they say, hey, look, if Joe Manchin gets this, I want projects just green-lighted.
And it's extraordinary that they've done that.
So let me return to the general problems with what they're trying to do on so-called permitting reform, which is really about this NEPA statute.
We had in the Trump administration an amazing rule that we put together.
It was one of President Trump's, I think, less well publicized by the mainstream media, major accomplishments in getting the economy moving again.
We issued it in the middle of 2020 to reform the NEPA statute, right?
So, at least the Republicans in Congress could have taken that rule and then codified that into federal statutory law, because, in the meantime, Biden had reversed all the progress we made from the Trump administration.
Instead, what did they do?
They took a little provision here or there from NEPA reform stuff that I slaved on for a year and a half, and they put it into this bill.
But it's all cosmetic.
It's codifying things that already exist.
In Council on Environmental Quality Regulations, it's codifying things like this Supreme Court case I mentioned to you.
You've used this phrase, tissue of lies.
It's just part of the bill, but it's part of the tissue of lies.
It's like a whole tissue box of lies that this permitting reform that Garrett Graves was touting is really going to do anything at all.
steve bannon
And that tissue of lies in that specific box of the permitting reform, That's by far probably because it's even less stupid than the executive orders.
You've seen the executive orders and footnoted that the OMB director, you know, the Pago is a total joke because Biden's OMB director is totally empowered to do what she wants to do at any time with this.
And she said as much. Am I incorrect there, sir?
jeffrey clark
She said as much.
Yeah, she said that if we need to do something for advancing the Biden agenda, we're not going to hesitate to do it.
And so look, there are no fixes to what the real problem with permitting is in the country, which is that this really ridiculous NEPA statute, it's one of the worst things that President Nixon ever signed into law back in 1970, And then the Carter administration came in and wrote a set of regulations that is really worse and has kind of governed the roost for 40 years until President Trump came along to fix it.
This doesn't do anything about the fact that it's led to like a massive explosion of litigation.
All the environmental groups have to do, whenever there's an infrastructure project, we're talking about anything from telecom, To railroads, to roads, bridges, even to rulemaking actions, even to doing things like cutting down trees and forests, all they need to do is go into a carefully chosen federal district court, sue and say, oh, you know, we know that you produced, you know, a 10,000-word report that's five volumes, your environmental impact statement, but, you know, you missed an issue.
You didn't look at the impacts on the spotted butterfly.
And so, you know, we want an injunction against the project.
They often get it. The project's held up and then it goes back to write more volumes and the stack grows larger and larger and the delay in the projects go on and on and on.
This so-called permitting reform that Congress adopted in the bill does nothing to solve that litigation problem, whereas the rule that we wrote in the Trump administration was designed to curtail that problem.
steve bannon
Jeff, can you just hang on for a second?
We're gonna have a 90-second break, okay?
unidentified
You're in the war room. I'll go into more detail about, I think, what the path forward has to be.
steve bannon
I'll make a, maybe a recommendation or two to think about.
If this is about you, you need to, I want this burned deep.
I want it to hurt. It needs to hurt first.
You need to embrace what happened.
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