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WarRoom Battleground EP 233: The Battle For Ukraine Picks Up
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia. It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room. Battleground.
crom carmichael
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, Monday, 13 February, year of our Lord, 2023.
Been a pretty historic day so far.
And 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in the presidential briefing room, we actually had a rear admiral in the United States Navy, John Kirby, sit there for about an hour, hour and a half with the world's media and talk about putting together a working group to look at the shooting down of UFOs.
They did not walk back and did not challenge at all.
Air Force General Van Herc's analysis yesterday that he could not rule out aliens.
And in fact, MSNBC said later on, Kyron, sitting there listening to General Austin in Brussels, who's there for the Ukraine war, they're asking him about shooting down these aliens.
Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon.
That's the new buzzword or construct they use at the Pentagon.
But the Chiron said, Defense Department shoots down, American military shoots down three more unidentified flying objects.
UFO, unidentified flying objects.
And nobody's walking this back, which I think is a huge just narrative pivot because they want to get away from all their other disasters.
I got Rebecca Koffler who's going to join us.
We got a lot to go through here.
Another stunning admission is the State Department shortly after Kirby State Department sitting there with a press conference saying that all Americans, all American citizens You should leave Russia immediately.
Then they have a whole list of reasons why.
You're going to be shanghaied, you're going to be press-ganged into serving into the Russian military, or you'll be arrested.
So this thing is heating up big league.
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steve bannon
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I just want to spend a minute about heart attacks and how, when people think of COVID-19 and all those other things, how big a taker of life are heart attacks right now in the United States of America, sir?
crom carmichael
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steve bannon
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So thank you very much for introducing it to our audience.
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crom carmichael
Thank you. Thank you, Steve. Krom Carmichael.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother. Appreciate it.
Okay, I want to pivot now.
As we talked about, we're in the beginning stages of a Third World War.
And I say Third World War, I don't mean the economic warfare part or the unrestricted warfare part.
I'm talking about the kinetic warfare part.
We issued a warning today to all American citizens in Moscow and in all Russia to leave the country immediately.
And you've got Austin over there in Brussels cooking up who knows what.
But NBC News was actually truthful today for the first time.
They agree with what we've been telling you on The War Room for many months now.
Let's play the cold open. Rebecca Coughlin will bring Rebecca Coughlin in.
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On the warning to Americans in Russia to leave immediately, do you have a sense of how many Americans are there?
Have you received any outreach from Americans that are trying to leave?
What's the plan for the embassy?
And why now?
We've been knowing that this has been a concern for a while.
Why is this re-upped?
I'm glad you ended there because that's where I wanted to start.
This is not new guidance that we are providing to the American people.
We have been warning the American people for months now that they should not travel to Russia, and we've been warning Americans who may have been in Russia that now is not the time to be in Russia.
And that they should depart immediately.
What we did do, and we often reissue what is known as our travel advisories for countries around the world, but we reissued our travel advisory for Russia with several updates.
And that includes information regarding dual national military conscription, martial law in Russian areas bordering Ukraine, limitations on MSC Moscow staff use of airlines, and Russian legislative changes permitting prosecution of those who quote So these are changes that are material to the American citizen community in Russia.
But again, our message should be that Americans – our message is that Americans should depart Russia.
They should depart Russia immediately owing to a number of risks that are spelled out in much greater detail in that broader travel advisory.
How real is the threat of them being?
drafted or forced to serve in the Russian army.
Well, again, it's going to be based on the individual, but it is a concern we have to the extent that we thought it prudent to reissue our travel advisory, warning against the possibility of conscription for dual nationals.
This is not something that we want Americans to consider precisely because we want them to leave Russia.
We do not want them to leave themselves subject to these or any other measures that could put them in The leader today predicts that the war could drag on for years.
Joining me now from Pak Rosk is NBC News chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel.
So, Richard, what has been Ukraine's response to this new offensive by Russia?
They recognize that they need help.
They are increasing their calls for weapons.
They are increasing their calls for tanks, for aircraft.
For the first time in months, the Ukrainians are starting to lose significant amount of territory.
They recognize it.
They think that Bahmut, this city that has been a tug of war between Russia and Ukraine for months, could fall, that it could fall imminently.
In fact, just today, Ukrainian officials called for aid workers who are trying to help the people in Bahamut to leave the city, that it is no longer safe enough for them to go there.
It has become very difficult for journalists to go inside the city.
The government is not encouraging journalists to go in.
So the city is facing a very dire situation.
It might not be able to hold out much longer.
And that is just one city along the front line.
The front line stretches for about 800 miles from the north all the way to the south.
And because the Russians are sending in so many reinforcements, willing to take so many casualties, firing so much artillery, we're talking about tens of thousands of rounds fired by Russians every single week, that front line in a very destructive move is moving slightly forward.
And it does look like the Russians want to capture the city of Mahmoud perhaps before the anniversary of the war at the end of next week.
Not that the city is so important.
Not that it's so strategically important.
It would be more of a symbolic victory for Russia after so many losses over the course of this year.
Richard Engel.
We could talk to Ukrainians.
This guy told me that they didn't think we could.
But I'm going to talk to the guy.
Hey, hey, hey.
steve bannon
Right there we're seeing the new tanks being delivered.
At least they took the iron crosses off the side.
That'll maybe infuriate the Russian people more.
So Friday, the anniversary is Friday a week.
It's, I don't know, we're 10, 11, 12 days away.
They talk about the Russian losses, but, you know, Russia controls, or kind of controls, what, 25 % of the country on the eastern border.
The head of Wagner Group over the weekend said he thought it would take them two years Two years to control it all.
In another year, they could split the country basically in half or close to half in the great river that comes from Kyiv all the way down to the Black Sea, the Dnieper River, that they thought they could do that in another year.
You just heard NBC for the first time, Katie Ter saying, quoting a State Department and Pentagon official saying the war could last many years.
Rebecca Koffler, and by the way, tens of thousands of rounds every week.
How brutal is this fight over Bakhmut, which they now have kind of semi-officially told people they're not going to be able to hold that crossroads town and also these strategic villages?
Strategic hamlets and villages around it.
How important, not just symbolically, but militarily, is for the Russians to kind of regroup here and pound their way back against a heroic, you can't say anything less than a heroic defense by the Ukrainian people.
How important is that as a victory for the Russian army?
rebekah koffler
It is extremely important, Steve, and it is indeed a bloodbath that is unfolding right now near Bahmut and across Ukraine.
While we were hyper-focused on the Chinese spy balloon, The Russians have gradually launched their counteroffensive that everybody was expecting.
So, Bakhmud is, in fact, a very strategically important area because it puts the Russians on the pathway to secure the point at Donbath.
As you just said, the Russians already control between 20 and 25 percent territory.
And so, the head of the Wagner Group, which is...
He's actually part of Putin's personal hit squad, the Putin's chef, if you will.
Those people are brutal.
They have been recruited out of prisons.
And the narrative that Prigozhin put out there with the Russian people, some of whom were criticized, Not many, but some criticized Putin for war.
And Prigozhin said, look, would you rather have your son or your brother or your husband go fight?
Or you would have a real, you know, killer who has actually killed people.
So he released all of these convicted, you know, serial murderers.
who are unleashing this incredible bloodbath in Ukraine.
And so the one thing that the State Department spokesperson did not tell the American people, and that's the very important risk that he omitted, That a war is unfolding between Russia and Ukraine, no longer the special military operation, but actually an all-out war.
This is the pivot to a new strategy by Putin.
And that kind of war has the potential to escalate out of control and drag in the United States.
As a former Defense Intelligence Agency officer for Russian Doctrine and Strategy, I participated in scores and scores of war games, including I actually led some, some of the red team, you know, the blue team representing the U.S. and NATO and the red team representing Russia.
Every single war game.
Ended up in either a space Armageddon when space warfare basically unleashed because all of our warfighting capabilities are reliant, extremely reliant on satellites in Russia and China to figure that out.
So they're developing weaponry to neutralize those.
And that's what you see right now with the spy balloon.
That's just part of that whole thing.
But in addition to the space Armageddon, we have nuclear Armageddon.
Because Russian conventional forces are inferior to U.S. and NATO, they have figured out a strategy called Escalate to Deescalate, which envision a detonation of a low-yield tactical nuclear warhead in the theater.
And then once nukes start flying, the missile warning systems of every country in the world that possesses those nuclear weapons is going to pick up, and there's a potential to escalate out of control.
And Joe Biden knows that.
The reason we know that he knows this is because he warned us in the run-up to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
He said, we're not going to put US troops in the theater.
To fight on behalf of Ukraine, because that's when you see a shooting war between the United States and Russia, and that will go nuclear.
He knows this. So the question is, why is it that we're pumping all exquisite high-tech weaponry into Ukraine?
Right now we're providing either have provided or have committed to provide 196 billion worth of top-of-the-shelf weaponry.
That equals to the entire GDP, the gross domestic product of Ukraine, the European, the top corrupt country in Europe.
Okay, we're providing the equivalent of GDP to that.
But for what? The question is, Is that what is the objective?
Because the Biden administration and his security team are just schizophrenically reacting.
They started off with javelins and stingers and now we're providing strategic type of weaponry.
We are providing Patriot missile defense battery.
Okay? We're providing Bradley's.
We're providing Abrams tanks.
And now the conversation is To potentially give Zelensky, who is an extremely talented actor turned president, to give him F-16.
And that is the real threat that will escalate this conflict that the Pentagon and the Biden administration are not telling the American people.
And then one more thing to mention, when John Kirby gave his briefing today on the Chinese spy balloons.
One of the smart reporters asked him a question about that travel advisor.
In fact, it's not just an advisor.
It's a security alert.
Let's be clear. Anyone who is in Russia, who is an American citizen, must leave right now.
So the reason is that They are possibly preparing, and they being the Lord Austin, who's in Brussels right now, and he is conferring with NATO ministers and NATO combatant commanders, whom I actually, by the way, personally briefed in September 2013 in the run-up to Putin's invasion of Crimea.
I briefed all those people on what Putin was up to.
Nobody wanted to do anything about it.
The potential is, if we send F-16s and Ukraine uses them and accidentally hits Russia proper, or not accidentally, we are in World War III, as you noted.
And right now, Russian missile strikes accidentally are striking Moldova.
We had a situation when Ukraine's missile struck Poland, if you remember.
So everything is actually developing according to two things, the war games that I participated in and what I described in my book, Putin's Playbook.
Okay, that's where I gave my unclassified intelligence assessment of Russian doctrine and strategy.
It includes everything. It includes the nuclear strategy that I described.
It includes cyber warfare, space warfare.
And in fact, the U.S. government, DIA, my former agency, and CIA. I actually also worked for the National Condestine Service.
So they try to cancel my book and they claim that there's a classified information and try to really sabotage its publication because I expose the entire you know the incompetence of the intelligence apparatus right if you just think that we are incompetent enough to not detect You know,
a Chinese spy balloon, despite the fact that we have a four-star general in charge of NORAD, the North American Airspace Defense Command, whose sole responsibility is to protect U.S. and Canadian sovereign airspace.
We can't even detect that.
Think about Russia. You know, those people We've got people who have never been to the target country, whether it's Russia, China, Afghanistan, you name it, don't speak those people's language, and yet they try to make intelligence assessments of what those countries' military strategies and what their leadership thinks.
In fact, John Kirby acknowledged today when he was asked about Russia's intention and that security alert the State Department gave.
He said, well, I wouldn't even begin to speculate about Putin's inner circle and his decision-making process.
Well, That is a stunning admission of a massive intelligence failure and massive failure of U.S. national security apparatus because the very first mission of intelligence is to prevent strategic surprise and to detect and neutralize foreign threats before they actually strike our homeland.
And so we see now that four Not just one, not two, but four crossed our foreign, our sovereign airspace undetected and traveled and took highly sensitive intelligence because it had a multi-sensor payload over very, very sensitive, top-secret facilities.
And exfiltrated nuclear intelligence and all sorts of other intelligence.
So this is the level of unpreparedness and incompetence that goes on, and we must hold these people accountable.
Because no matter how much money they pump in, we've done that in Afghanistan, right?
$2.2 trillion, 6,000 American lives.
Where do we go to get those back, those boys and girls who died?
What do we tell to their mothers?
So the same thing is unraveling right now in Ukraine.
And I hope and I pray that it doesn't take 20 years to come to the realization that this war is unwinnable and we're risking nuclear armageddon.
steve bannon
This is what we need to do.
Step one is to get Biden to come to Congress.
Let's have a War Powers Resolution.
Rebecca, I'm going to hold you through the break.
When we get back, I want you to tell people this has been a special military operation for the first 11 months.
Now you're saying, and you're saying the tell is getting all the Americans out.
It's now going to shift to war and then maybe total war.
Exactly. Rebecca Koffler, a former Defense Intelligence Agency senior official is going to join us on the other side to talk about Putin's playbook and how it's playing out in the Ukraine right now and how it's going to impact your life here in the United States of America.
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Short break. Back in a moment. War Room Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
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Also, two more train derailments.
Michael Patrick Leahy is going to be on tomorrow.
J.D. Vance just put out a statement on this train derailment in Ohio.
Very difficult to get accurate information out of there.
Particularly, who made the decision?
And did Buttigieg sign up?
Who made the decision to actually, you know, burn the chemicals, to do a controlled burn of the chemicals instead of looking at some other way to get them up?
Because it's quite controversial.
I think, number one, the derailment, obviously, but very controversial how it was cleaned up and people right now are not so sure it's cleaned up.
We're going to have Michael Patrick Leahy, the Ohio star, will have his staff on tomorrow, hopefully J.D. Vance's office.
Two more derailments this afternoon, one in South Carolina, one in Texas.
Hey, just all a coincidence, right?
While the U.S. government is chasing around UFOs, gaslighting you on UFOs, here's the point.
If they're really aliens, and not only that, if you can't rule out aliens, if the head of NORAD can't rule out aliens, and John Kirby gets up there today for an hour and a half, and he's not ruling out aliens.
In fact, they're doing an interagency task force on this.
And Austin says with the Chiron saying, hey, they shot down three more unidentified flying objects.
They use the old term, the hot button term.
If they can't rule it out, then let's go to DEFCON 2, right?
If the alien is going to come down, maybe we're at DEFCON 1.
Maybe we're on the trigger.
Maybe we're on the trigger if they show up.
I'm just saying, maybe it's best.
I've seen enough science fiction movies that if they come down and say, hey, Earthman, iRobot, why are we not on the trigger?
So let's go to DEFCON 2 if it's real.
And what you're going to find out is not real.
It's all happy talk and to try to divert away from this other fiasco, of which there are many.
But besides the kowtowing to the Chinese Communist Party, the worst would have to be the Third World Kinetic War that they're getting us into.
Right now, Rebecca Koffler, you wrote a quite brilliant piece for Fox the other day.
You predicted this was going to happen around the first anniversary.
We've pivoted from a special military operation to now a full-scale war.
And that can metastasize quite quickly, as you said, because of the fog of war and mistakes and even people that are well-intentioned, to total war.
And people say, oh, this is the most dangerous time since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
This is a hundred times more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis, because we actually have a shooting war going on, an old-fashioned war.
And think about it.
By the way, Daily Mail is reporting 5,000 elite Russian troops killed over the last day or two in these massive battles that are taking place around these strategic hamlets, I think around Bagmuda, an 800-mile front.
Rebecca, you know this territory better than anybody.
You were a senior DIA official that focused specifically on the Russian high command and their thinking.
What is the difference between a special military operation that we saw the killing fields?
Look, it's supposed to be 100,000 casualties in the Ukrainian armed forces.
It's supposed to be 40,000 or 50,000 men, women, and children civilians.
There's supposed to be, I don't know, 200,000 Russians.
That's a special military operation.
What is that compared to what we're going to see when they go to, when they up to ante to war?
rebekah koffler
Huge difference between the two.
The special military operation, as Putin called it, was basically fought below the threshold of triggering US and NATO's response.
Putin, yes, he mobilized about 200,000 originally personnel encircling Ukraine, and he was trying to just basically launch aerial bombardments here and there, defeat critical infrastructure, deliberately placing pressure on Ukrainians to capitulate by cutting off their gas, their drinking water.
And freezing them to death during the winter.
But right now, Putin is not afraid of triggering the deployment of U.S. and NATO forces.
Why? Because the Russian general staff has concluded that sooner or later, we're going to get involved anyways.
Why? It's because every single conflict, that's how it's unfolded.
Eventually, the U.S. puts troops on the ground and gets involved.
And by this steady stream of high-tech weaponry that we have provided to them, strategic-level weaponry, because we're talking about...
F-16 warplanes, right?
So that is why Putin is preparing for the total war.
And so there are three signs that that is occurring.
First, a total war is requiring a lot more personnel.
Right? Troops.
Because every single war that the Russians have won was won by a relentless attrition of manpower.
The Russians lost 25 million or more during the Second World War because that's just how they do business.
They throw, you know, people at the problem.
They're not about, like, surgical strikes and trying to preserve, you know, life and trying to avoid human and special civilian casualties, no.
So, what that article in Daily Mail didn't say is that the Russians have mobilized, in addition to those 200,000 troops that I just talked about in the beginning of the operation, they have already deployed additional 315,000 troops with 100 50,000 more in training camps,
right? So remember, in September, Putin announced partial mobilization, plus Prigozhin unleashed all of the murderers and sent them to Ukraine.
So in December, December 22nd, Putin himself stated that He called it a war, not a special military operation.
And a day later, his defense minister, Sergei Shoigu, announced that Russia is mobilizing one and a half million troops between today and 2025.
So they're preparing for a war of attrition, a protracted, large-scale war.
That they have concluded by doing their intelligence analysis will escalate out of control.
Because remember, every single war that if you go back into history, most of them were not intentional, right?
At least in modern history, it was by miscalculation.
It was unexpected.
And that's what our wargaming has proven, is that once you have Once you start targeting satellites, which the Russians definitely will, and they have a full-spectrum space warfare capability, both ground-based and space-based, and so does China, by the way.
So once those missiles and weapons start attacking satellites, We are in a nuclear war because our nuclear command and control is supported by satellites.
steve bannon
You talk about supporting, you know, one of the reasons they're going to go and upgrade it to a war is that when, because the circumstances call for it, it means that people are more involved and it's actually not The Americans have been, we've been supplying targeting, now not specific target acquisitions, but what we call a range of options.
You can have a hamburger, you can have a steak.
And the Ukrainians actually pick the acquired target and fire.
But we're doing the heavy lifting in remote sites in Poland and in other NATO countries, correct?
I mean, the Russians understand that we're running a lot, and we're doing it with artificial intelligence, and it's one of the reasons that the Ukrainians Besides their own valor and courage, one of the reasons they've been quite impressive on holding, as well as they've held, is they're using advanced American technology from the outside.
The Russians see this, right?
Are they calling a bluff?
Go ahead, go ahead.
rebekah koffler
Yes, 100%.
Not only we're supplying that weapon to them, we are also providing them with training.
I mean, 100 Ukrainians are now training On Bradley's and on Abrams tanks, now we are having them come in and we train them.
We also train them on our tactics, techniques, and procedures, like on Blitzkrieg type of warfare.
We have provided real-time targeting information to them And this is why Ukrainians, as you said, they've been successful at striking into what Russians consider Russian territory, specifically Crimea, right? And this is why the Russians have concluded that we, the United States and NATO, are already participants in the war.
And it's not going to be long before we actually have to directly get involved.
Because remember, a lot of these systems, they're highly complicated, right?
And a lot of it is top-secret technology.
So that's another issue that, you know, requires a separate conversation because With Ukraine not even being officially an ally, we actually are giving them top-secret technology on Abrams tanks, for example, that we don't even give to Australians, for example.
We restrict those kinds of things, and it's very difficult to do.
So that is why the Russians believe we are already one foot In this war, and it's not going to be long before, you know, the shoe drops off the other foot.
And so they are looking ahead, unlike the Pentagon, who is typically like in the reactive mode.
I mean, the same, we saw that in Afghanistan, we lacked strategy, and we just kept, you know...
Surging and surging troops and then throwing weaponry.
But then after 20 years, you know, and we completely unanticipated that IEDs is going to be like the low-tech, you know, poor man's, I don't know, homemade gadget that is going to be responsible for 60 % of deaths or injuries of U.S. personnel Eventually driving us out of Afghanistan, which is considered to be the grave of empires, right?
The same thing is happening.
steve bannon
If... They're going to now up it, because they're saying you have NATO and American involvement.
They're going to up it to a war, and you're seeing that they're bringing, I don't know, anywhere from 500,000 to 800,000 new troops.
They already started this winter offensive, which the Ukrainians and Americans were denying.
Close to a million. How do we then...
The Wagner guy said that's going to be to secure the eastern part they have today, to lock that down all the way to the land bridge to Crimea, and then maybe start to head to the river to take another 20 percent.
Of Ukraine, what is the off-ramp here?
If they're going to ratchet it up now, the American reaction, because every day you're seeing we're getting sucked into this vortex.
Yes. And the Biden regime, and by the way, the Republicans are guilty too, the Republican neocons.
Even if you're a neocon, you have to force Biden to come to the House and lay out a war plan.
We need the War Powers Act.
We need to see what the strategy is, what the objectives are, how long they think this is going to last.
NBC today, just out of nowhere, this war could last years.
You know, we were told, you know, Russia, for every week since they've been here for this year, Russia was going to collapse.
Putin's going to be overthrown.
The Russian army's in revolt.
They haven't read history.
The first year of any war for the Russians, always bad.
Then they regroup, and like you said, they throw bodies at it.
They throw bodies at it, and somehow they turn it around.
What is the off-ramp here for the Americans?
With the next phase of this getting more intense, more combat, more dangerous, what does America have to do to basically disengage on this and to have some sort of peace negotiations or get to some negotiating table?
rebekah koffler
Well, right now the Biden administration has no exit strategy.
That is because they're fully invested and they're just simply unable to plan, right?
And besides, they have climbed up the tree so high that they can't really climb down because imagine all of a sudden he starts negotiating with Putin.
What an embarrassment, right?
This is going to be much worse than the spy balloon.
And so that's why this war has nowhere to go except up.
Zelensky's unwilling to negotiate, and Putin would have accepted a peace proposal if Let's say if the off-ramp were on the table, if cooler heads were to prevail within the Pentagon and the Biden administration, then they would put a peace proposal on the table.
As an intelligence officer, we are prohibited from advising what our policy should be, right?
Because we're supposed to be nonpartisan.
So the way that we usually approach that question is, we say, this is the type of policy that the adversary would find acceptable and would sit down to negotiate.
So here's my assessment of what Putin would find acceptable.
But unfortunately, my assessment is Biden administration is not going to find acceptable.
But this is what would work if cooler heads were to prevail.
So the 20 % territory that Russia currently controlled, and specifically Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson, the four areas that were annexed, albeit legally, obviously, if they were to be recognized by the United States and the West as Russian, Putin would accept that.
Because remember, the Biden administration admitted that one of the reasons, if not the primary reason, we are engaged in this war is to defeat Russia militarily, weaken it economically so Putin doesn't do it again.
And sanctions is one of the instruments that we are applying.
So Putin wants to remove those sanctions.
But primarily, it's acknowledging that Eastern Ukraine, that most Russians believe belongs to Russia, and Crimea for centuries, you know, belonged to Russia.
That's what Putin would accept.
steve bannon
The argument that the Russians have put forward, even if it had logic, we're so far away from that.
In fact, we're heading into the opposite.
This is my point. Up until they admitted that Bakhmut's about to fall and it's 800-mile front just where they're fighting, Remember, ten days ago, two weeks ago with the tanks, the day after the F-16s came up, they're all talking about a combined arms operation in the spring.
A combined arms operation in the spring to liberate Crimea.
To liberate Crimea.
This is so far off.
Rebecca, where do people go?
I want to make sure people get to all your writings.
I want to make sure they get to...
To your website, and particularly your book, which is a kind of brilliant analysis of the way Putin and his inner circle thinks, particularly strategically.
And you've been pretty much right this entire time.
This entire first year, you've had a pretty good run.
rebekah koffler
Thank you, Steve. I have a website, RebeccaKoffler.com.
I'm on social media, Twitter and TrueSocial.
I regularly publish my classified intelligence analysis on Fox News, New York Post.
I've published on Wall Street Journal before Newsweek.
I have a piece actually coming up on China and the aerospace threat that it presents to the United States and the Pentagon's complete unawareness of the blind spots that China has uncovered in our aerospace security.
steve bannon
By the way, the analysis has been brilliant, and I got to tell you, we are getting, on a scale from one to ten, ten being a full-out war that is uncontrollable, one being leaving Afghanistan in some sort of humiliation but in peace.
Where on the scale right now is the United States in this conflict in Ukraine?
rebekah koffler
I would say we are right now in 8 inching to 9 with the 10 being all out total war.
I forgot to mention my book, Putin's Playbook, is available on Amazon and everywhere that you buy books.
I predicted this conflict and it's unfolding, in fact, according to To Putin's playbook, which is basically a Russian doctrinal strategy that the Russians have developed in the course of the ten years.
And we had every possible piece of intelligence telling us what he was going to do.
And unfortunately, there was no deterrence strategy developed.
And now we are caught completely blindsided.
And not only by Russia, but now by China with the balloons.
steve bannon
Rebecca, thank you very much.
Honor to have you on here. Look forward to having you back.
The first anniversary of this conflict, of this war, starts next Friday.
We're going to be covering this intensely every day because the lies and misrepresentations and the quagmire only gets deeper.
We'll see you back here at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.
I can promise you one thing.
It's going to be intense. In fact, tomorrow what we're going to do is actually going to start in Arizona.
We're going to have Wendy Rogers. There's a lot going out there about the voter crimes and election integrity.
We're going to start tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
with Wendy, but it's going to be an explosive show.
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