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Episode 2014: Pottinger Exposed; Dr. Birx Pushed For Permeant Lockdowns
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We're going to see on Thursday Sarah Matthews and Mr. Pottinger.
What can we expect from them, Betsy?
Both of these officials resigned on January 6th because of what was happening that day.
Pottinger is particularly interesting.
He was a senior National Security Council staffer for the entirety of the Trump administration.
As people remember, the NSC had a crazy amount of staff turnover for that entire four years.
Pottinger endured through a number of national security advisors.
I'm told that one person who was a key advocate for Pottinger within the Trump administration was then Vice President Mike Pence.
So it would have been extraordinarily difficult and intense for Pottinger to see the president's text about Mike Pence that went down on January 6th, although perhaps difficult is the wrong word.
It sounds like it was actually really easy for him.
That text, he testified to the committee, made it crystal clear that he didn't want to be in the administration anymore, and that's why he resigned.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Peter K. Navarro sitting in for Stephen K. Band and today we got a packed show and we are going to start Katie Tour.
I'm going to agree with her.
Matt Pottinger, a former colleague of mine, In the Trump White House, um, is particularly interesting.
And the way, the way I want to set this up, first of all, um, is you saw in the, uh, in that little ad about, um, the, the taking back Trump's America book.
And what's, what's really interesting about this book with respect to what's happening now in real time with people like Matt Pottinger, is that the foundation of this book, one of the key themes of this book, is a more subtle form of the Reagan axiom that personnel is policy.
The Reagan axiom basically referred to, hey, if you put people in your administration, Uh, that have a certain point of view, you're going to get policies reflecting that point of view.
And if they may or may not agree with the commander in chief, you know, and, and, and Reagan was warning, you know, don't put people like that in who don't agree with Reagan.
Um, in the taking back Trump's America book, I refined that, um, and talk about how bad personnel, not only is bad policy.
But bad politics.
And long before there was a January 6th committee, and long before the subpoenas were flying, long before this and then that, I wrote the Taking Back Trump's America book.
And in it, I identify just a whole number of these bad personnel with the premise of the book being, one of the central premises, That because of these bad personnel and the resultant bad politics, we lost the election.
And more accurately, it was close enough to steal.
And you know, some of these people are the usual suspects you hear about.
And I ripped them from stem to stern in taking back Trump's America.
You know, the worst probably was Steve Mnuchin.
Hands down did the most damage to the boss of any, but there were others like the two men who ruined the National Economic Council, Larry Kudlow and Gary Cohn.
You had Mad Dog Mattis followed by a feckless Mark Esper at the Department of Defense.
Bad personnel, Tillerson at State.
But there were these second tier players Like Matt Pottinger.
And a lot of these bad personnel that I talk about in the Taking Back Trump's America book are now popping up within the context of the select committee, as they like to call it, or unselect, as President Trump likes to call it, in primetime, or
With other bad personnel I talk about in the Taking Back Trump's America book, like Mick Mulvaney, they're popping off as commentators.
And by the way, MSNBC needs to be held accountable for this.
MSNBC talking to you right now, journalistic ethics, you're putting this guy Miles Taylor on your show.
The pop-off about Trump in the most condescending way, and you don't tell the audience.
That this was the same guy who allegedly published the anonymous books that dumped all over Trump early in the administration, and instead you portray him as somebody who was pro-Trump by describing him as a former Trump official.
Shame on you, MSNBC.
So this bad personnel is not only bad policy, but bad politics is the theme of Taking Back Trump's America.
What I'm going to do now is I'm going to talk about what I have described previously and described in a civil suit I filed in this matter.
I'm going to be very careful not to talk about my own case that's pending now.
But I want to do that.
I want to kind of lay this out as kind of the chessboard we're watching now.
And then I want to read a brief passage from taking back Trump's America about Matt Pottinger to give you a little insight into his own character, or lack thereof.
And interestingly enough, this is going to be a packed show in the B block, the second part of this half hour.
We're going to bring up Jeffrey Tucker to talk about Deborah Birx, another one of these bad personnel in the Trump White House who stabbed him in the back.
And I'm going to tell you in more detail how it was Matt Pottinger who actually was most responsible for Deborah Birx being in the White House.
That's some breaking news for you, by the way, out there in Never Trump journalism land.
So let me talk about the committee.
What I'm going to tell you now is nothing that I haven't said repeatedly.
I think it's worth reviewing in light of the continuing unfolding events that we're seeing.
You, and again, if you go to PeterNavarro.com, you can read my civil suit that I filed against that committee that lays all this out in great detail.
But the beginning of this Is the observation that while Congress, the legislative branch of our government, has the power to investigate, it can only do so for legislative purposes.
That is, in this particular case, if, for example, this committee really wanted to get to the bottom of what happened on January 6th, they'd want to know why Pelosi left the perimeter Lightly guarded.
They'd want to know why the feckless Mark Esper, the defense secretary, kept the National Guard too far away to respond in a timely way.
And they certainly want to know why the FBI had informants inside the battleground perimeter, possibly instigating that violence.
And if those issues were investigated, And rules were changed and laws were made to make sure those things didn't reoccur.
That would be a legitimate expression of their legislative function.
But, but, big but here, that's not what's going on here.
That may be part of what's going on here, but this committee is using that as a veil to also pursue a judicial function.
Um, which is a violation of the separation of powers.
We got, we got the legislative executive and judicial branch.
The role of the judiciary is to, is, is to prosecute, criminally punish.
That's what the judiciary does.
So it's not appropriate in the slightest for this unselect committee to spend its focus and time on building a criminal case against Donald Trump.
For the political and partisan purposes of preventing him from becoming President 47 in this country in January of 2025.
Yet that is what they are doing.
And you have, as proof of that, seven of the nine members, Democrats, essentially participated in A coup d'etat's attempts beginning as far back as 2016, whether it's Benny Thompson, the chair, Jamie Raskin, Adam Schiff, just roll it off.
It started with the now discredited Russia hoax, which Schiff in particular pursued.
There were two phony impeachments, which all seven of those Democrats were involved in.
And Raskin in particular.
Pursued three different House resolutions designed to get rid of Donald Trump on trumped up, pun intended, physical or mental grounds.
So we know all of that.
And what this kangaroo committee is doing in their investigation is handing out Unlawful subpoenas in my civil suit, I described them as ultra-virus, unlawful subpoenas, like peasant dispensers.
And they're bringing in whoever they can, people like Pottinger, who will go in there and talk to them.
They put anybody who comes in behind closed doors.
These people who are interviewed are not allowed to record any of that, so they have to do everything from memory.
And if somebody says something that the committee likes, that's consistent with their hoax narrative, they'll put them on in prime time.
So apparently Matt Pottinger made the cut.
So let me read this from Taking Back Trump's America.
This is what I had to say about Matt Pottinger long before any of these events I'm talking about kind of what the beginning in 2016 when we were in the transition, what I was doing between election day and inauguration day in 2016.
So let me just read this out here.
As a third line of effort I would engage in during the transition at Trump Tower, I would dig in with Mike Flynn, Trump's choice for national security advisor.
I liked Mike from the outset.
He had a no-nonsense, let's take the hill kind of military sensibility that appealed to my own temperament.
He also left no doubt that he saw communist China at the top of the pyramid of existential threats to the United States.
The other great appeal of Mike Flynn to me was his soon-to-be deputy Matt Pottinger.
Pottinger was a fluent Mandarin speaker who had worked in China for nearly five years for the Wall Street Journal as a reporter.
In 2005, Pottinger enlisted in the Marines and wound up serving in Afghanistan, where he met Flynn.
Now, he had hooked his wagon to the rising Flynn star, and he was schooling Flynn on the subtleties of Chinese mercantilism and the geopolitics of Chinese soft power.
Now, here's where it gets interesting.
I would be remiss in not adding here, however, that ultimately Pottinger was a big disappointment to me, as well as to the boss.
That's President Trump.
With his expertise as a Wall Street Journal reporter, Pottinger had mastered the art of the strategic leak.
What Pottinger would do towards the end of the administration using that mastery was leak all sorts of information that portrayed Matt as a hero at the expense of POTUS, myself, and even his own boss, Robert O'Brien.
When the books, and yes, there were more than one book, came out portraying Matt as a cross between Superman and the second coming of Christ juxtaposed against the devil of Trump and everybody else in the West Wing, we all knew exactly who the source of the leak was.
More than miffed, POTUS let O'Brien know in no uncertain terms how pissed off he was at Pottinger and wanting him out of the building.
O'Brien pretty much felt the same way.
That's right from the gospel of Taking Back Trump's America.
That's who Matt Pottinger is.
And that's a poster child of the whole premise of the Taking Back Trump's America book, that bad personnel not only lead to bad policy, because Matt dragged his heels on a lot of the stuck-ups with Deborah Birx, it also leads to bad politics.
Peter K. Navarro in for Stephen K. Bannon.
We'll be right back to talk more about bad personnel in the White House.
and Deborah Birx is up next.
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peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Right to me.
jeffrey tucker ▲ ● ▼
about.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Okay, Peter K. Navarro in for Stephen K. Bannon today.
We're going to give Denver a minute or two to reset.
Denver, I wanted the Berks clip coupled back-to-back with Jeffrey Tucker's clip this morning from the war room.
Let Cameron know when you're ready to go and we'll do that.
Because this is going to be important.
In the last segment, I talked about how in the Taking Back Trump's America book, the theme was bad personnel equals bad politics.
And I showed that Matt Pottinger was part of that endemic problem in the White House.
And now let's explain how Matt Pottinger was the guy who actually helped create the Berks Monster.
But I want to tee it up with this clip.
So Denver Fireway.
jim jordan ▲ ● ▼
When the government told us that the vaccine they couldn't transmit it, was that a lie or was that a guess?
Or is it the same answer?
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I think it was hope.
That's a vaccine would work in that way.
And that's why I think scientists and public health leaders always have to be at the table, being very clear what we know and what we don't know.
jim jordan ▲ ● ▼
This is important for the country to know.
So when I asked the question, when the government told us that the vaccinated couldn't get it, and I asked you if it was a guess or a lie, you said you don't know.
You said you think it was hope.
So what we do know is it wasn't the truth.
So they were either guessing, lying, or hoping, and communicating that information to the To the citizens of this country.
jeffrey tucker ▲ ● ▼
Burke's book is that she was never a much of a believer in the vaccine.
She always thought that they would probably not work very well, and she wanted permanent lockdowns.
In other words, a lot of people saw the vaccines as the way to get out of lockdowns.
She didn't believe that.
She always thought you'd have to stay in lockdowns forever, as far as I can tell.
So when she's referring to people advertising that the vaccines would stop infection and transmission, she's really talking about Fauci and Walensky and these kind of things.
So when she says it was a hope, she's really describing them, that they were hoping, but she'd been reading the EUAs and seeing very clearly early on that they weren't going to work.
What's creepy about Burks is that she's even worse than what you described.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
All right, we're going to have Jeffrey Tucker in in a moment, but I want to kind of set the table here because this story is a bit more complex than anybody's told so far, and I was there, and I think I may break some more news today when I talk a little bit about this.
In late January 2020, when the pandemic was breaking, I was one of the few people in the White House who believed Houston we had a problem.
And I met Fauci on January 28th.
That's memorialized in the In Trump Time book.
And I fought him tooth and nail.
On the China travel ban, he was again and I was for it.
We got it.
It saved millions of lives.
And it was the first time Fauci was exposed to me as the liar, disseminator, weakling, backstabber that he was.
And it was the first time I told the boss to fire Fauci.
And it wouldn't be the last time.
But what was interesting early on in the pandemic, you have to understand that at the time this pandemic hit, we had no idea how dangerous the China virus was.
And I knew right at the outset it came from China, it came from that Wuhan lab.
We thought it might be a bioweapon.
We were looking at what's called the R-naught, which is how contagious the virus was.
It looked to be very contagious.
And how deadly the virus was.
It looked to be very deadly, at least in the early stages.
And so you had people within the White House who had very starkly different views.
Mark Short, who was the chief of staff to Pence, was what I called in the In Trump Time book one of the virus deniers, along with Kudlow, Jared Kushner.
Most of the top people around the president was like, eh, no big deal.
Mnuchin.
They were all kind of not taking It's seriously in a way which wouldn't lead us to lockdowns, but it would lead us, for example, to prepare for enough protective equipment, personal protective equipment, other things like that.
And so the way Berks came into the mix was Pottinger in the National Security Council.
He was the deputy to Robert O'Brien.
Both Pottinger and O'Brien had a more dire and hawkish view of this virus, knowing what they knew about China and what it might do.
And they had the bright idea of importing Berks in from the bureaucracy for the sole purpose of of having a fifth column inside Vice President Mike Pence's task force to push a harder line on things like lockdowns.
So the genesis of Berks really was Pottinger and the What ensued was a very complex battle of factions.
Scott Atlas, who Jeff Tucker has high regard for, would come in.
My only criticism of Scott is he just didn't know anything about politics.
And he came in and spoke his mind, and they just eviscerated him.
Birx had a similar problem.
They eviscerated her.
And when I talk about they, it was Kushner and Mark Short who would turn Berks into a sacrificial lamb for some of the stuff they did.
And it just didn't proceed well.
And Berks, I called her dances with scarves because she had the kind of signature scarves, became a person with no economics training whatsoever, total blinders on.
All she wanted to do was kill the virus.
And she thought the only way to do it was the lockdown.
And therein stopped the spread ensued.
You know, the very pious Mike Pence kind of did a 180 and we started walking down that road.
But that's the backstory, and I think Birx ultimately turned on the president.
The last thing I'll say about Birx, again, it's like character determines fate.
And just as Pottinger turned out to be a leaker, a self-angregizing leaker who pimped up his own resume while downgrading the boss and O'Brien and myself with regards to all sorts of things about our China policy, Berks had a little bit of that going on as well.
And when she got eviscerated, essentially, internally, she turned bitter and went after the boss.
But the character part was revealed to me in one of the first meetings I was in with her in the Oval.
And we had briefed before we went in about what she was going to tell the boss based on what she knew.
She went in there And at the first sign of pushback from the boss in terms of intelligent questions, she wilted.
And when we came out of the Oval, we were in what's called the Outer Oval, and I looked her in the eye and said, Deb, the only reason why you're here is to speak honestly with President Donald John Trump.
And if you can't do that, you have no business being here.
You failed right then.
You can't let that happen again.
And it's a shame.
That it ended the way it was.
Now, I'm going to bring in Jeffrey Tucker.
Just so you know, Jeffrey, we're going to bring you over for the next segment as well, so I won't shortchange you on time.
But Jeff, I want you to maybe just go ahead and reflect on some of the things I've said and give us your take on this bad personnel in Deborah Birx.
jeffrey tucker ▲ ● ▼
The Burks-Pottinger question, let's start there.
Apparently, Deborah and Pottinger's wife were colleagues at CDC, and that's how Pottinger knew about her in the first place.
Because it's not like he just picked her randomly out of nowhere, right?
She had no experience whatsoever in an infectious disease.
She'd been doing the AIDS thing, as everybody with her credentials was doing, because the NIH was handing out money like Crazy, billions of dollars go into anybody working on AIDS.
So that was her only experience.
So her only conception of a virus is to avoid it.
That's it.
I mean, she's not a complicated person.
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But why she was picked, apparently she was picked.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, Touche, go ahead.
Sorry, you're grabbing me up here.
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Go ahead.
jeffrey tucker ▲ ● ▼
No, but it's a respiratory virus.
Everybody's going to get it.
She didn't get that, right?
She never understood.
She thought it was AIDS.
And that's why she loved masks.
Those are condoms.
Anyway, she goes into the books.
This woman is Has the knowledge of a third grade biology teacher.
I mean, she's just, anyway, it's embarrassing.
So, why was she picked?
Apparently, she was good friends with Pottinger's wife, and Pottinger foisted her on the White House as the coronavirus coordinator, and I'm guessing that meeting that you had at the Oval Office was I'm guessing maybe March 20th, 20, somewhere between March 20th, sorry, February 20th and February 25th, something like that.
On February 27th, as far as I can read the situation, Fauci, along with all the rest of his cohorts, including Redfield and Farrar and London, and some of these other major lockdown guys, flipped in the direction of favoring lockdowns.
And you and I can discuss, you know, how exactly that happened, because they'd known about the virus for a full month with burner phones and secret phone calls and all kinds of things.
So suddenly they were convinced that the only way they're going to defeat this virus is by destroying the Trump economy.
All right.
So Berks is all in on that.
They tasked her to go into the White House and convince the president, which he reluctantly went along with it on February, not on February 27th.
Beginning on March 12th with the travel ban, but fully on March 16th, he got very suspicious that he had been railroaded within... All right, hold that thought, Jeffrey, because we're going to the break now, and the plot does indeed thicken.
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peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
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peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
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Okay, when last we spoke, before the break, I was with Jeffrey Tucker and we were talking about Deborah Birx and how she was The Queen of the Economic Lockdowns.
Before going back to Jeffrey, the one thing I would say is, you know, there was this this in the fog of war, there was this this battle inside the White House about what to do about the pandemic, how serious was that, when it would be over, this and the other thing.
And it'd be interesting to hear Jeffrey talk a little bit also about some of the other players here, because Kushner, Jared Kushner, The clown prince, as I describe him in the Taking Back Trump's America book, really played a key role in setting the tone and tempo of how we responded.
And one of the biggest mistakes that Kushner made was to get on TV and basically declare that the pandemic was going to be over by midsummer, and we'd be, in his words, rocking and rolling as an economy.
And boy, did that ever come back to haunt him.
I spoke early on, you can check this out, it's in the New York Times, about why in the White House and in this country we needed to have an adult conversation about how to balance the need to contain the virus versus the need to have a growing economy.
and deal with the indirect ways the virus could kill.
And my comment to the New York Times at the time contrasted the Berks and Fauci and Redfield and Stephen Hahn and the FDA view of the world, kind of the healthcare bureaucracy, the Azars of this world, all those people who were sticking knives in Trump's back.
Who wanted simply to directly contain the virus by locking people up.
That was the way they saw the world.
And as a macroeconomist who's supposed to see the big picture thrust into this whole thing, I'm watching everything unfold.
And I'm seeing that these lockdowns, first and foremost, could be as deadly a killer as the virus itself.
You kill people with alcoholism.
obesity, people unable to go get their breast cancer biopsies or checkups, anything like that.
And not to mention the trillions of dollars in lost economic output, which then lead to unemployment and now a stagflation problem we have, and make no mistake about it, Biden mishandled the post-pandemic way in a way which has given us that.
So these were texture-difficult problems, and Birx was a very blunt instrument operating in the shadows.
Pushing kind of the pure healthcare bureaucracy line of lockdowns.
But I'd like to get Jeffrey's thought of whether he's looked into kind of the roles that Kushner played.
Bad personnel there, as I say, in taking back Trump's America.
Mark Short, the chief of staff to Pence.
Pence himself, who appeared to be clueless in Gaza.
half the time on this.
And then Scott Atlas trying to be a countervailing force.
And there was Kevin Hassett as well.
So Jeffrey, I'm gonna turn the mic back to you and let you make some observations on my observations and whatever you saw, because you're putting value added here.
And I think you're gonna write a book about this at some point.
jeffrey tucker ▲ ● ▼
Oh God, I wish I had time.
First of all, I wanna thank you for your bluntness.
I wish we could spend an evening together, because I think we could share some war stories.
I'm amazed at your comments here.
But if you want to know who the conspirators against Trump are, all you have to do is pick up Birx's book and read it, because it's everybody she praises.
And no, she's a huge fan of, of course, Pottinger, and of course, The son-in-law, you know, what would you call him, the clown prince.
And Redfield.
And of course, Fauci.
As you mentioned at the outset, she is not a brave person.
And so this is what's, I would say there's, I have a meta sort of observation about her book.
Why was she, why is she so brazen about all the ways in which she used subterfuge and sneaky, when she was basically the, A player within a shadow government that developed after the lockdowns happened in March.
She established an administrative state that basically took over the presidency.
That's my read of the situation between then and the election to make sure we stayed locked down, to make sure that the American people continue to suffer as much and as long as possible in order to defeat Trump at the polls.
And she was instrumental in that.
Not just instrumental.
She flew around to 40 different states.
And convinced the governors that, oh, they had to reduce capacity restrictions so you couldn't, you know, open, you couldn't have sports.
You can't have a dinner party at your home.
You can't have church.
You can't celebrate Thanksgiving.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Jeffrey, let me make a quick observation on that because she was so far off the reservation on that.
I mean, she was operating as a free agent.
And look, she was putting her life at risk, I'll give her that, because she was flying repeatedly into hot zones.
But there was nobody telling her what she could or couldn't do, she just did what she thought was The right thing to do.
And as it would turn out, it was often absolutely the wrong thing to do.
So, you know, that's that's kind of the subtext there.
jeffrey tucker ▲ ● ▼
I think that's right.
But I think what you're doing, I think, is correct.
You're speaking as a person who was within the White House.
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jeffrey tucker ▲ ● ▼
So then when you had the White House, you had the White House giving orders and setting priorities and Trump speaking and There's press conferences and you're monitoring the press and everything.
On the other hand, you had this sort of rogue regime of Fauci and Birx and Redfield and really this administrative bureaucracy that was working at cross-purposes.
And I'm not making this up, right?
This is what she says and she brags about it.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
I think I would say that the granularity here that I would add to this is that I think you're right that the healthcare deep administrative state had this lockdown anti-Trump point of view. I mean, they had, they had key, key missions were to make Fauci the god, Trump the villain and push the lockdowns. Okay. So there was that, but I think part of the story you're missing here, Jeffrey, is the other players in there.
You're asking the Trump White House to have a coherent strategy when in fact you had a bunch of these bad personnel that I talk about in the Taking Back Trump's America book, like Kushner pursuing his own agenda.
You had Mark Short, the VP's chief of staff, pushing his own agenda.
You had Atlas trying to push back against it.
There's a funny story about Birx, you know, when she came, when Podger brought her in, She was supposed to get a big office over in the EEOB with a bunch of staff, and they stuck her in this windowless, tiny cubicle down in the basement of the White House, thinking that they could contain her.
And the way she escaped that box, probably why she wanted to get out of the White House all the time, 100% agree.
But as you said at the outset, she is not a brave person.
She had benefactors.
She knew she would be protected.
It was just also so bad personnel wrong.
jeffrey tucker ▲ ● ▼
That's 100 percent agree.
But as you said at the outset, she is not a brave person.
She had benefactors.
She knew she she would be protected.
There's a lot of money that was behind the effort to unseat Trump and to keep the economy locked down and and and to basically, you know, ruin American freedoms and and and and law for a full year going into the November election.
She had full confidence that she had backing.
I see her as a, what's the right word?
Like a, I don't know, she was a tool.
Of something or somebody.
And I guess you would say it's Fauci.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Well, it was it was Kushner.
I mean, it was it was Kushner.
Kushner and Ponger.
I mean, they brought her in for a very specific purpose.
She did whatever she was told to do by them.
And, you know, that was the politics of dysfunction in the White House.
And I mean, it's like the Taking Back Trump's America book is going to be An epiphany for America, because I don't hold anything back with respect to the clown prince.
I mean, Kushner, between Kushner and Mnuchin, it's a toss-up as to who was more destructive to Trump.
And I think if either one of them hadn't been in the White House to begin with, Trump would still be there.
That's how much damage they did.
But it's a nuanced story.
Anyway, I'll let you have the last word.
We got about 60 seconds.
Get your social media stuff and take your last shot, sir.
jeffrey tucker ▲ ● ▼
But I want Burke's book to be read because people need to know she altered CDC reports.
She changed policy on her own, conspiring personally with Redfield and Kushner and Meadows and Pottinger and so on.
There were weekly reports coming out from the White House for that entire year 2020 that the White House had never approved.
And she brags in her book how everybody was too lazy to look at them.
She got them through anyway.
Anyway, we're investigating all this and much more.
The economic response, the public health elements of it at brownstone.org.
Peter, I think we're just really in the beginning stages of this.
The American people need answers.
We need answers.
And my view is that everything that's going to come out, the question is what are we going to do about it?
That's when we need to get very serious.
Thank you, Peter, for having me.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Taking back Trump's America has some answers about that.
Bad personnel is bad politics, Jeffrey.
Thanks for having me, Brownstone Institute.
It's a great contribution.
We'll be back in the War Room.
We are going to our southern border under assault right now.
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A recent survey taken by Goldman Sachs found 93 percent, 93 percent of small businesses fear a recession and 89 percent are affected by inflation, supply chain issues and workforce challenges.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Peter K. Navarro in for Stephen K.
Bannon here in the war room.
I think it's always useful to preface a visit to our southern border with a review of where the economy's at.
And you can see from that clip that even the left-wing media is now clutching their pearls about a truly difficult situation which is coming.
And I pose the question.
As we hover on recession or probably in one and as real incomes and purchasing power are falling so that whatever people are earning on a weekly basis is buying them less each week.
What happens to our most vulnerable?
Black and brown and blue collar workers.
When the Biden regime allows over 2 million, 2 million illegal aliens to flood across our border on an annual basis.
And when those illegal aliens, and that's what they are, political correctness, not in our lexicon, what happens when those illegal aliens who are poorly educated start competing with black and brown and blue collar Americans?
And you know exactly what happens.
Americans get pushed out of jobs.
And, or they see their wages depressed.
And that's the subtext for what we're going to see and talk about now as we go to the great Oscar at the southern border to talk about the latest indignities this country is suffering.
Sir, Oscar, how are you doing today?
oscar blue ramirez ▲ ● ▼
Good evening, Mr. Navarro.
Yes, we are located right here in between the limitations of the River Suchiata between Guatemala and Mexico.
Today, no mainstream media has found us in Real America's Voice News, and us, we discovered the Operation Mirror that is a complete optic.
It is just a photo op being done by the Guatemala government with the Mexican government.
They were doing it today as they were trying to stop traffickers on the east side of this river where they are trafficking hundreds of migrants through the daily basis as the Biden administration is the greatest incentivizer of the whole continent.
For smugglers across the world and today this operation that is called Operation Mirror that is also being done on the state of Coahuila that connects to Texas.
It looks like a photo op, Mr. Navarro.
They stay here for two hours, they operate for two hours, but the rest of the day You are trafficking gasoline.
They're trafficking humans.
And God knows what happens late in the afternoon.
God knows what happens late in the trafficking, you know, late at night when they're trafficking drugs and all this other situations that they involved national security for Mexico and also, you know, national security for Guatemala.
But this is what is happening currently right now.
And also for you to know, Mr. Navarro, breaking news as what is right now, one governmental official from the Institute National of Immigration Just announced and the installation of regulation for documents that the installations for documents has collapsed and by that That means that more than 6,000 migrants that we reported yesterday that there are waiting for documents They just announced that they are going to move on a caravan on the next incoming days to the northern border, sir
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Oscar, let me take a wild guess here.
Clearly, having this flood of illegal aliens coming across Guatemalan soil, Mexican soil, is not good for those countries.
Yet, if you are a government official in Guatemala or Mexico or Honduras, No, most likely you're presented with bribes and or the threat of being assassinated and therefore you do what's not in the best interest of your country.
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Am I wrong in making that observation?
oscar blue ramirez ▲ ● ▼
No, you're absolutely correct.
The asylum and refugee has become the most lucrative business in the whole continent of America, and they're exploding that in the United States of America by NGOs, non-governmental organizations, and also the United Nations that now has infiltrated the United States government by the Biden and Harris administration, admitting to being collaborators to the Global Compact on Migration.
That that is the root of the problem.
That is the main corruption root of the problem, the global conflict of migration.
But ultimately, this corruption that you're mentioning, Mr. Navarro, it comes from all south of America.
The Biden administration has made it clear, with the incompetence of Alejandro Mayorkas, to incentivize all the mass migration all the way to the northern border, sir.
And that is the number one problem.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Are you seeing any kind of remedies coming from anybody, or is this just bad, bad, bad, and getting worse, worse, worse?
oscar blue ramirez ▲ ● ▼
It's going to get worse, and it's going to get worse as time is flooding by.
They're already organizing and they're speculating for next year, entering next year in January, more than 20,000 migrants that they are going across On a caravan, they're forming and conforming another caravan.
This is a non-ending effect.
The problem is the traffickers, the smugglers, that they are continuously making millions out of, you know, out of humans.
It's this modern day slavery and it is a non-stop effect, sir.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
And therefore, all the money they're making allows them to build up this human conveyor belt that stretches all the way to Brazil, which I think is where a lot of this immigration comes.
Oscar, you're doing a great job down there.
We appreciate it.
Give people now your social media and we're going to have to bid you adieu for the day.
oscar blue ramirez ▲ ● ▼
Thanks so much for the invitation.
Oscar Blue on Getter, Oscar Blue on YouTube, Oscar Blue on Facebook, OscarBlueRamirez.com website, and also RealAmericasVoiceNews.com, sir.
Thank you.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼
Oscar, I can't thank you enough for your courage.
This is not the safest thing in the world to be engaged in.
Real America's Voice is doing a great job, and the war room is proud.
To present this kind of boots-on-the-ground journalism.
You won't see this kind of thing on MSNBC, CNN, or Fox.
Peter K. Navarro in for Stephen K. Bannon.
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