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Episode 1986: Farage On The Fall Of Boris Johnson In The Squandered Decade Of ToryEpisode 1986: Farage On The Fall Of Boris Johnson In The Squandered Decade Of Tory
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nicolle wallace
The leader of government, who happens to be a conservative with a history of self-inflicted wounds and controversies, is implicated in another very serious scandal.
unidentified
He attacks, misleads, deflects.
nicolle wallace
Every day, all the way along.
Does it sound familiar?
So here's the plot twist.
What if instead of that leader's party circling the wagons and lying and backing him no matter what, they just said, you know what, enough is enough?
What if instead of encouraging his supporters to storm the seat of government, engage in hand-to-hand combat, the leader walked away, resigned?
Well, that might seem like alternate recent American history.
It is, in fact, what happened today in the UK.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson stepped down amid an avalanche of scandal, ranging from COVID lockdown parties to an expensive refurbishment of his Downing Street apartment to the latest that he knew about serious sexual misconduct allegations against a man he then appointed to a government role.
That decision met with celebration for many British voters.
Here's Prime Minister, for now, Boris Johnson earlier today.
unidentified
We've seen at Westminster the herd instinct is powerful.
When the herd moves, it moves.
I know that there will be many people who are relieved and perhaps quite a few who will also be disappointed.
And I want you to know how sad I am to be giving up the best job in the world.
But them's the brakes.
steve bannon
Okay, thank you.
It is Thursday, 7 July, the Year of the Lord 2022.
We're honored to have on Nigel Farage, one of the most consequential individuals of the 21st century.
It was Nigel Farage who put on his shoulders the United Kingdom and drove home the victory that was Brexit.
Nigel, you're now the number one commentator on GB News.
Fantastic show.
We watch it all the time.
The War Room Posse.
Has a great fondness for you and respect for you put in perspective.
What exactly happened?
I think Nicole was made the comparison to Trump.
We try to make the comparison of squandered opportunities 12 years.
The Tories have been in power outside of what Nigel Farage and Raheem Kassam and a handful of rebels accomplished of which Boris was forced into and kind of grifted off of.
You had one of the most consequential moments in modern political history, and it was inextricably linked to Trump's 2016 win.
The Tories have been in power 12 years, no sense of urgency, totally uncoordinated.
And to hear this political chat over the last couple of days and when your country's economy is imploding, sir, Nigel Farage.
nigel farage
Well, Steve, actually, it's rather worse than you painted it, because remember, since December 2019, Boris Johnson has had a majority of 80.
It's the biggest majority since Margaret Thatcher for the Conservatives in 1987.
This was the moment to radically reform, to modernise, to change the British economy.
It was a magnificent opportunity.
And do you know what Boris Johnson did?
He was elected as a Conservative.
He governed as a Liberal.
He increased the size of the state.
He point-blank refused to produce our own oil, gas and coal, preferring to import it from the rest of the world to say, hey, look at us, aren't we lovely?
We're reducing our national CO2 emissions.
Illegal immigration across the channel, out of control.
Legal immigration has now reached record numbers, higher than when Tony Blair was in government.
And when he was asked about Putin the other day, he said it was all down to toxic masculinity.
I mean, you almost couldn't make it up.
So on the policy side, Boris Johnson has let conservatives down completely and utterly.
And even on Brexit.
Yes, we've left, but there's so much still to be done.
So many opportunities we could have grabbed.
We've done nothing.
And that's because he's not a leader.
He lives in total chaos.
He's a very good cheerleader, but he's not good at responsibility governing.
But in the end, Steve, it wasn't even that that brought him down.
In the end, it was a personality trait.
And that trait is that he has bluffed and lied his way through the whole of his life and got away with it.
And in the end, it caught up.
You see, you've got to remember, But if you're a liar, you've got to have a very good memory.
And if your memory slips, the whole tale starts to unfold.
And this happened over the last three days.
He was already struggling with large elements of his party.
But over the last three days, there was a catastrophic collapse in support.
And please don't think this is all the globalists.
This is all the left.
This is all the pro-EUers that wanted him out.
Yes, they did want him out, but a significant number of us who were Brexiteers, anti-globalists, nationalists, patriots, saw him as being a barrier to any progress whatsoever.
steve bannon
Let's talk about the Brexiteers and Brexit.
I mean, you guys put it on your shoulders and got it done.
He was the official sanctioned party.
But you ran a very different campaign and actually got it over the top.
But since that time, I mean, I dealt with the May government, which is a disaster.
They looked at it as a problem, not an opportunity.
But he got there.
The administrative state, clearly Westminster and the administrative state in the United Kingdom are all remainers.
Has he accomplished anything of consequence about getting the sovereignty of the United Kingdom back is what Brexit was set up to do and what the voters, and particularly those labor voters up in the Middle East, want it, sir?
nigel farage
In terms of making legislation that affects businesses, that affects what we do, yes, we are sovereign again.
The problem is he's chosen to use Brexit to make us more like a European state, not less, by increasing taxes, increasing the size of the state and not deregulating one iota.
The country looks more European today than it did before Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.
So yes, we're in charge, But having that power, you know, you've then got to exercise it effectively.
He has done none of those things.
No supply-side reform.
Literally nothing.
And he has not taken back border controls.
He just hasn't done it.
He never, Steve, wanted to do it.
He used it purely for political opportunism to get to the top of the greasy pole of politics to be the Prime Minister.
And the farce of the last few days, when it was obvious That he couldn't run the country because 59, 59 ministers of state resigned from their jobs.
There weren't even enough people to run the country.
And even then he clung on and clung on because it was always all about him.
It wasn't about any cause.
Because the truth is, he doesn't actually believe in anything.
So there will now be a leadership contest.
We'll find out whether the Conservative Party can find its moral compass again.
Can put somebody in charge who tells the truth, even if, at times, that's unpalatable.
And to find somebody who believes in free markets, to find somebody who does not want us to ally with the globalist elites on everything.
Whether that person exists within the current ranks of the Conservative Parliamentary Party, well, that remains to be seen.
steve bannon
Nigel, today, I'm trying to use this as an example for the MAGA movie and say, hey, Brexit and the 16th victory, the populist-nationalist is inextricably linked.
But this opportunity cost, I think the Tories have been in 10 years, 12 years, and I don't see what they've accomplished.
No, I agree.
We need urgency here, and particularly in 2022, to win these, which I think could be 100 seats, to win these overwhelming majorities.
You have to then take it and you have to act, act, act.
Can you tell our audience, is this the opportunity cost squandered of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom in the last 10 years?
nigel farage
Completely.
You see, Steve, at the end of the day, and you know this as well as I do, there are two types of people in politics.
There are those who want to be something, and those who want to do something.
And too much of the politics across the Western world, and certainly within the Conservative parties, whether they're rhinos, or whether they're Remainers that we've had in the Conservative party particularly, Too much of politics is people who are doing it for a career.
They have no goals, no objectives, no underlying philosophy or moral base.
And that's been the problem.
As career politics has taken over, we finished up with people who want the title, the rank, the position, the chauffeur-driven car, the smart cocktail parties.
That's what they want.
They're not there to change things.
But I do think I do think within the Republican Party, there are people that do want to change things.
The problem is, you know, how do you get rid of your rhinos?
steve bannon
Nigel, can you walk?
It's a kind of confusing process.
We see there's going to be some conference in October.
This thing's going to take months.
What's the reality?
What's really going to happen?
We can't have an ally like, particularly when we have Rebecca Koffler on here in a second, talk about Putin and talk about Ukraine.
Boris Johnson was one of the biggest cheerleaders of Zelensky.
Is this going to wait till October to somebody selected and can Boris Johnson run again?
Walk our audience through what's going to happen.
nigel farage
No, in theory, he could run again.
In practice, it ain't going to happen.
All right.
He does not have the support within the parliamentary party.
He would be humiliated in the most extraordinary way.
He is staying on as prime minister or he wants to stay on as prime minister until a new leader is elected.
He thought that could be until October.
I have spoken today to people involved with the Conservative Committee.
It's called the 1922 Committee.
They'll meet on Monday and set the rules for the contest.
Lots of people will apply.
It'll be whittled down to a short list of two.
That will happen within a fortnight, I'm certain of that.
Then a big postal ballot will go out to paid-up Conservative members.
There is no reason why this can't be done and dusted by the third week of August, and I believe that it will be.
steve bannon
Wow, people taking off August to focus on politics.
I can't wait for that one.
Nigel, look, you're revered among MAGA and the America First people here.
I remember when you went to Jackson, Mississippi that time during the 16 campaign and the guys at Morning Joe were saying, why do they have an Englishman there?
I mean, Bannon has no earthy idea what he's doing, right?
He was playing right into the panhandles TV market.
You're revered here.
What's the future of Nigel Farage now more than ever?
The United Kingdom, our mother country, needs leadership and courage.
I know you've got the top rated show for commentary.
You're crushing Piers Morgan, much to the laughter of President Trump.
Where does Nigel Farage fit in here?
nigel farage
Well, Nigel Farage always wants to fight for change, always wants to fight for radical reform when things aren't working.
And I've done that through politics.
I'm now trying to do that through media, through social media, through all of those things.
I mean, I'll be honest with you.
If the United Kingdom had the open primary democratic system that you have in the USA, I would cut off this line to you, Steve.
Announce to the world that I'm running to become Conservative Party leader Unfortunately, we're an old country stuck in our ways.
I wouldn't even be allowed to put my hat in the ring now I could you know, I could fight against the entirety of the establishment with a rebel party But it would be very very difficult indeed to achieve that much I might get millions of votes, but I wouldn't get that many seats under the current system So I'm a little bit
I'll be honest with you a little bit frustrated because I would like to be in this fight but if I can't be directly in this fight I'll be indirectly in this fight and there are a lot of conservative minded people out there in the UK who I am able to reach and I am able I think on a good day to make them look at issues and think about them differently and if I can use that to try to influence the Conservative Party
To get a leader that is actually conservative, then that would at least be an achievement.
steve bannon
Nigel, how can people get the show here in the United States and how can they follow you on social media?
nigel farage
Well, GB News has an app and it's free in the USA.
You just put GB News in, get the app and you can watch it live.
You can watch it on catch up.
And if anybody wants to get in touch with me directly, Google me, go to the website, email me.
I do my best.
I do my absolute best to answer everybody.
steve bannon
Nigel Farage, are you on social media?
Are you still Twitter, Getter, Gab, True Social?
unidentified
Yeah, they haven't banned me yet.
nigel farage
Twitter haven't banned me yet.
unidentified
They've suspended me a couple of times, but they haven't banned me yet.
nigel farage
Which means, Steve, I must be quite good at playing the game.
steve bannon
Nigel Farage, not only are you a great guy, you're a great man.
And you've done a great service for your country and your countrymen.
And there's a lot more ahead of you.
I can tell that right now the world needs leadership and they need courageous political leadership of people that put their country first and not themselves.
Nigel Farage, an honor to have you on here.
unidentified
Steve.
nigel farage
Too kind, thank you.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to take a break.
We're going to have Rebecca Koffler, who's one of the top experts on Putin.
The three big cheerleaders for Zelensky Have had a bad couple of weeks.
Biden's essentially become irrelevant here in the United States.
Boris Johnson, who led the EU meeting, the cheerleading meeting for Zelensky, is out.
Macron has been crushed.
There's a new leaked video of audio of Macron.
All of it.
Rebecca Coffey.
Then, we've got big developments in Austin, Texas.
I don't want to say it happened because of the war room.
Not everything we wanted, but Todd Benson is going to be on and tell us, is it signal or is it noise?
Todd Bensman about the invasion on the southern border of the United States.
Rebecca Koffler on Putin.
Putin doing a full flex today on Boris Johnson.
I think they were mocking and trolling him on Twitter.
Short commercial break.
We'll be back in a moment.
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Bad day for Zelensky.
He's got Biden on the ropes here, wandering around somewhere, right?
He's wandering around somewhere.
Now they get all day on TV and MSNBC.
They're just dealing on Biden.
The Democrats.
Democrats are dealing on Biden.
You got more people quitting at the White House.
Daily Mail's got a big story.
I think it's three or four times as many people have quit under Biden the first year than under Trump or Obama.
Right?
Maybe even combined.
Don't quote me, but it's a big story.
People are leaving.
The rat's leaving the ship like crazy.
He's gone.
Macron got blown up in the nationwide, essentially, parliamentary elections.
Now he's got a super majority like we're going to have In in in November to block all the Biden stuff.
That's what Macron is doing now.
So he's been kind of dismissed.
He was running around a very embarrassing tape has come out where Putin's listen to him.
He's you know, Macron is getting all worked up and Putin tells him.
Hey, look, I'll get back.
I'm in the gym does a full flex on him before kind of walks off.
And now Boris Johnson.
You heard Nigel, he's not a leader, he's a cheerleader.
He's the big cheerleader over at the EU thing.
He's got that hot room, he's dancing around and he's talking, you know, he's Zelensky's big guy.
He's trying to be Winston Churchill with Zelensky, you know.
So it's a bad week for Ukraine, plus militarily.
But I wanted to bring the expert of experts.
The book, Putin's Playbook, is fascinating.
And you don't have to buy the theory of the case about his designs on America.
But it's a great book about geopolitics and about knowing Putin and kind of the group of, I think, gangsters that are around him.
Rebecca Koffler joins us.
Rebecca's all over.
You see her on TV all the time.
Rebecca, put in perspective, how bad is this for Zelensky trying to continue this fight with the Eastern Province?
It looks like the majority of it's gone.
They've been rototilled by Russian artillery.
What is Putin thinking today?
Because I see on social media, I think they're trolling Boris Johnson already.
If Putin's sitting there today and looking at the three biggest supporters of these Ukraine policy, Macron in France, Biden in the United States of America, And Boris Johnson in the United Kingdom, what is in his mind?
unidentified
Putin is feeling strong, Steve.
rebekah koffler
Why does he feel strong?
It's because he believes he's winning in Ukraine.
He has captured 20% of Ukrainian territory in four months.
So you can do the math how the trajectory of this war is going to progress.
Unfortunately, the Western media is deceiving the American people and the European people about what's really going on.
I love the term cheerleading that Nigel used and you used because that's what is going on right now with the U.S.
unidentified
media.
rebekah koffler
There are all sorts of U.S.
unidentified
generals who are cheerleading Ukraine.
rebekah koffler
They're not telling the truth to the American people because they're so invested in this policy of preventing Russia from dominating the Eurasian landmines, from reestablishing a security perimeter.
But if they want to do that, they have done nothing to implement that policy because NATO did not want to chip in in preventing the Russian threat.
Their intelligence record was very straight about what...
what Putin wanted to do. Putin never made it a secret, right? And somehow the Biden administration was looking for a magic bullet, but that's not how things work. And the reason I love being on this program, Steve, is that because you tell the truth to the American people. And I feel like I don't need to tell the party line like I used to because I was born and raised in the Soviet Union, Right? And.
And this is what's going on right now.
All this cheerleading, but bottom line, there's no viable military part.
for victory for Zelensky the way that he has defined it.
steve bannon
Here's what it gets me. You've got articles all the week and I put them up on Getter.
That's why everybody wants to sign up for Getter and get on my Getter account.
You've got one that says it's hell on earth. It's a young woman that's a field commander.
They're talking about the Eastern Divide. It's hell on earth.
And the shelling they're taking is absolutely brutal.
Then they've got one of a gentleman, looks like he's in his 50s.
He's some militia and he's asking what orders do you have?
He says, well, here's what they told us.
They're not trained.
He says, here's what they told us.
They got some weapons.
You see that road?
We're supposed to block that road when the Russian tanks come down.
Okay?
When the Russian tanks come down.
And I don't... It's the Ukrainian people that are being slaughtered here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Rebecca.
Yes, the Ukrainian people.
Here's the thing.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Was it six weeks ago?
I think around Memorial Day.
That General Austin and Tony Blinken, and I think they were in Ukraine when they said this or just come back, Didn't they say that the number one strategic objective was to decimate the Russian military?
At one point, we had a thing of victory.
The definition of victory just wasn't free Ukraine in a Ukraine that had territorial integrity and not fighting in the eastern border, which they've been doing since 2014.
It was actually to degradate the Russian military.
Am I correct there that that's at one time what the Americans actually laid out as the objections of this war, ma'am?
rebekah koffler
100% correct, Steve!
And you know what?
This sort of rhetoric is feeding into Putin's paranoia.
Putin and the Russians have suspected all along that the ultimate reason why the West, the United States and NATO support Ukraine is in order to defeat Russia.
And in fact, there's a declassified, previously top-secret strategy document That tells just that, that the United States, and justifiably so, right?
Remember that Ronald Reagan pursued a very robust deterrent policy against the Soviet Union.
And justifiably, the US policy has been to prevent, and I quote, a single hostile power from emerging as a dominant threat, as a dominant power in Eurasia.
Eurasia being the center of the world.
You know, there's a book that Brzezinski wrote that says that who controls, the power who controls, Eurasia controls the world.
The Russians have taken it very, very seriously.
So the Russians, the Russian intelligence services produced a top secret intelligence assessment that says regardless who occupies the White House, whether it's a Democrat or a Republican, they're going to keep pushing that policy.
Of quote-unquote democratizing the post-Soviet space that the Russians consider their security perimeter, right?
They relied on it for centuries to protect their security.
So it's a clash right now.
It's a proxy war between Russia and the United States and the Biden administration is not really helping By amping up this rhetoric and all they're doing by expanding the scope and scale of the weaponry that we are providing to Ukraine is prolonging this conflict.
Because really, if you put Russian military capability, forget about all the mishaps, all the bright and shiny objects that US commentators have been chasing, right?
All the tactical mishaps.
Strategically, Putin is winning.
He won 20% of Ukrainian territory.
He has just established control of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk that are in the Luhansk region, the so-called Luhansk People's Republic, right?
And the Donetsk one, the Russians annexed back in 2014.
So now Putin controls the heartland, the industrial heartland that is rich in high quality coal and mineral reserves, right?
Iron and steel producing factories, and he's blocking Ukraine's access to seaports, preventing it from exporting grains.
Ukraine, remember, is the breadbasket of Europe.
So Putin has the grip.
And all on Ukraine and he's prepared to continue the conflict in a protracted grinding battle and they're cheerleading the Russians the resignation of Barne Johnson and they're saying right now, oh you want to really defeat Russia on the battlefield? Let them try because remember Putin has the nuclear trump card that he hasn't invoked yet.
steve bannon
And God forbid he does but that is what I am mostly concerned about and I explain this The number one strategic initiative for us is never to allow the Russians and the Chinese Communist Party to work together.
Then you're going to have somebody that can control the Eurasian landmass and we're going to have hell to pay.
This is the fundamental strategic misapplication that's here, and these cheerleaders on MSNBC and CNN, we're gonna go back into a play.
And by the way, the people that have suffered, been led down the primrose path, are the Ukrainian civilians, and now this militia or the military, what's left of it, it's just getting rototilled by Russian artillery.
Rebecca, we gotta bounce.
Your book's out in paperback on July 27th.
Everybody get it.
How do they get to Amazon and how do they follow you on social media?
rebekah koffler
Rebecca at 01320132 being the code for a former intelligence officer.
I'm a BIA, Intel Officer Specialist in Russian Doctrine and Strategy.
My website is rebeccakoffler.com.
You can Google the book anywhere.
Steve, thank you for having me.
Thank you for bringing the truth to the American people and staying away from the party line and the Soviet-style propaganda that is gripping the United States.
Let's stay free here.
steve bannon
Rebecca Koffer, thank you very much.
Go to Amazon and get the book with Putin's playbook.
Short break.
We're going to go to the southern border in Todd Bensman in Austin, Texas in a moment.
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Also, the end of the dollar empire.
I know the dollar is strong right now.
I got that part.
It's against the fiat currencies of the world.
It's the world's tallest midget.
Okay, but because of the recklessness of the Federal Reserve and the recklessness of our political class, we're coming to the end of the dollar empire because everybody, the Chinese Communist Party, all of them are looking at baskets of currencies that can take us away from being the prime reserve currency.
Why is that a big deal?
Look at the United Kingdom.
The last people that were the prime reserve currency, the pound, right now all they talk about is tax cuts.
It's all happy talk.
Their government's too big and they've got to finance their deficits.
They've got to finance deficits by either raising taxes or they've got to finance deficits by selling bonds out there in the world's capital market.
As Steve Cortes says, hey, it was only a century ago, right before World War II, Argentina was kind of, if you looked at a lot of indices, as wealthy as the United States.
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This is what happens when you start messing with your currency.
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The end of the dollar empire.
We're going to be doing other series of this.
This is the first, but it's been such a massive seller for them.
And I want to continue to push this so people understand one of the big things about the administrative state we're going to be taking on is the Federal Reserve.
It is time now to end the Fed, okay?
It should not be owned as some kind of private corporation or some kind of non-governmental entity owned by these banks that we have no earthy idea how they kind of pull things off.
And quite frankly, if you read these books that are out today, particularly Trillion Dollar Triage, right, and The Lords of Easy Money, there'll be a revolt.
If people read those books, there'll be a revolt in this country about what the elites have done by controlling your currency.
Remember, from the time of the founding of this republic until the time of the founding of the Federal Reserve, that end of the 18th century, all the 19th century, one of the biggest political debates we had everywhere, from William Jennings Bryan to Andrew Jackson to Abraham Lincoln to Alexander Hamilton, the big fight with Thomas Jefferson.
It was all about currency, about currencies and central banks.
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Huge news today.
In fact, I've moved Boris.
I'm going to try to get Boris back on the market.
Boris got breaking polling that I want to get into, but this thing in Texas is so big.
The invasion of the southern border is so huge.
I've been able to track Burquam, who is outside of Austin today, and also the great Todd Bensman.
Burquam gets down there outside the State Capitol.
He's lighting up Abbott and the entire show.
I've never seen Burquam on fire like this.
He had the great interviews down with the 27 Yankees the other day.
The murderer's row of Chip Roy, Cuccinelli, all these guys that came up with these emergency declarations.
Sheriff Kinney, Mark Morgan.
I mean, hitters.
And then Abbott's not doing anything.
Berkram gets on the case, the Real American's voice, indefatigable.
Ben Berkram, he's lighting up Abbott.
Next thing I know, Abbott's tweeting out they got, they're putting out $30 million here.
He's got this new policy to send everybody back to the border.
What is going, is this real and is a response to what's happening in those counties that declared an emergency?
Or is this, Abbott, is this a total misdirection play so that the country called Republicans feel better, but it shuts up the Steve Bannon's and Ben Berkram's for a while, sir?
todd bensman
I think people are going to see through this one very fast.
Abbott has announced that he's going to start taking immigrants, having his Texas DPS take immigrants, right to the border.
The problem is that the border is our side of the border, so he's basically going to be delivering immigrants to Border Patrol, which is what they've always done.
So they're moving the delivery of immigrants from all over the place to, like, you know, a border area.
And then Border Patrol and CBP on the bridges will take possession and just release them into the interior like they always have.
I think what people really want to see the governor do is take them not to the border, but to Mexico, to the line, and force the issue of A state right to repel an invasion.
That's, that's what people want him to do.
And so he came up with something that sounds kind of like he's going to do that, but it's just, it's just moving chips around the table.
Really.
Uh, they're just going to be handing off in there.
I know because I got off the phone a little while ago with a ranking commander on the border who explained and confirmed that that's, that's all that's going to happen.
steve bannon
Okay, I just want to bother Russ vote and this came off for Bernavich is you know I think Bernavich is filing was one of the foundational elements with although Bernavich hasn't done anything in Arizona But he had Russ vote in Cuccinelli at the Center for America renewing America He had Mark Morgan had Sheriff Kenny down there rest of the sheriff co-executive Kenny can arrest some people You had the great Trip Roy down there.
So why won't, today he announced 30 million dollars of grants to go to these different places and this fact that they're now going to take folks, instead of I guess shipping them on buses to Washington D.C.
that you and I agreed was always a stunt and not a particularly funny stunt.
But now they're going to take them and actually take them to the border.
Why in your mind will he just not sign the declaration that Ben Berquam kind of went up and was knocking on his door to say, why don't you just sign what Cuccinelli and Vogt and Kinney and Morgan and Chip Roy and the people in these frontline counties that are being overwhelmed?
Why won't he just sign that, sir?
todd bensman
So I've searched all over the internet looking for statements, press statements, you know, comments.
Uh, he, he just doesn't say why we don't really know why, why he won't declare the invasion.
Everybody wants him to declare.
Uh, but you know, we can speculate in an informed way why he might want, not want to do that.
And you know, one reason is that it just, it, it, it sets up a federal state legal confrontation at the bridge because blue uniforms under the control of Joe Biden.
Hold on, hold on.
say you know you're not you bow shall not cross over the bridge we own this bridge and so then you're just stuck there and then the ACLU's already got lawsuits all set up ready ought to fill in the blanks for the moment that he tries something like that but that's it but this is what's called a forcing function I guess that part That's what this is about.
steve bannon
It's better, this is what I don't understand about the optics.
His optics, he clearly misread the country.
Because we're the hardest core, we're the dead-enders when it comes to the border.
And this is why the word-glass Hispanics are supporting the hardcore MAGA.
Because Cortez says 68% of them want to shut the border.
That optics looked terrible.
He thought it was cute, but people up here said, the last thing we want is to get this problem spread throughout America.
Let's deal with it on the southern border.
His solution today, and correct me if I'm wrong, is to essentially restart ICE as a domestic entity in Texas and have people take the illegals and take them back to the border and deliver them essentially on our side to the federal government, correct?
todd bensman
Yeah.
I mean, we've essentially been doing that all along.
We're just moving the meeting place from Racketville to the border He's going to have stepped up functions to do that.
steve bannon
Is this not the same onesies twosies?
This is going to be a systematic removal of people back to the border, in your mind, what he said?
todd bensman
Yeah, I'm told that they're going to use the buses that they're currently shipping to Washington DC for this.
So they'll find a place that's very close to the bridge in Eagle Pass Across from Piedras in Del Rio sector.
And they're going to get a spot there and they're going to start busing migrants there.
They won't let them.
They'll hold them there.
They'll pin them up.
They're not going to let them run back into the city or the towns.
And so they're going to pin them up there.
And they'll just wait for the CBP or Border Patrol to take possession of these immigrants.
You know, that's what they do now.
So, and then CBP and Border Patrol turns right around under orders from Washington and they're releasing them all into the country so I mean that's that's what unless they change unless they change it that's what it's going to look like.
steve bannon
Todd, hang with me for one second.
Ben Berquam.
Ben's out on another assignment right now, but we're fortunate enough he was able to break away for a few minutes.
Berquam, um, this is not exactly signing the declaration that there's an invasion, but you did pretty good work.
Berquam's up there, just to get him out of his hair.
He put forward $30 million in grants, right?
And said, Hey, I'm a shipper back to the border.
What's your assessment, Berquam?
You're, you're, you're the on scene commander of this.
unidentified
Yeah, it's window dressing, Steve.
This is simply burning more money.
It's what we've already seen.
And really, it's disrespectful to the intelligence of the Texas voter and the Texas citizen.
What we don't want, what the folks of Texas don't want, is to spend more of their hard-earned tax dollars to enable a problem to continue.
And that's what we're seeing going on right now.
They're gonna take more of Texas tax dollars and United States tax dollars and fluff it and burn it.
Rather than, this is the simple solution.
And if Governor Abbott is watching this right now, it is very simple.
You already have the National Guard, manpower, the troops down there on the border.
Their job is to defend, to guard our country from an invasion, in this case, an invasion.
They have several functions, but that can be one of them.
That's what their function is now.
Rather than helping them out of the boats as the cartels are bringing them across, you stop them from getting out of the boats.
It's really simple.
If they don't step foot on American property, they have not broken into our country.
But as soon as they step foot in there, and as soon as we invite them in and hand them over to Border Patrol, they are simply being shipped around the country.
ben bergquam
They have to be stopped before they come in, or if they were actually going to do this, as Todd says, If they come across, they are captured and they are returned back across the border, as we saw Sheriff Kodu in Kinney County as a trial run, and hopefully that becomes the norm, not the exception.
unidentified
That's what has to happen.
Anything else, any other amount of using tax dollars to enable what's going on right now is a total waste, an absolute waste.
And that's the question, Steve.
It's very simple.
Every single person needs to ask, Governor Abbott, when are you going to declare the invasion, the declaration of invasion?
You can ask him, why hasn't he done it yet?
But the question is, when are you going to do it?
You must declare it an invasion.
steve bannon
Ben, before I let you go, you were down there at that press conference.
Put us in the room.
I didn't have a chance to ask you, was there enthusiasm of the local populace down there for this to happen?
Or is this something to say, no, no, it's too heavy handed?
What are the local folks down there thinking?
unidentified
It's not enough.
It's not enough.
I mean, they're at war.
They're having people die every day.
They have people coming through their backyards every single day, stealing from their homes.
You have people dying in the streets from fentanyl, everything else.
The cartels run many of these communities now.
It's not enough.
They want cartels labeled as terrorist organizations.
They want them to be treated like terrorist organizations.
And they want the people in America that are aiding and abetting the cartels to be considered enemy combatants.
That's what they want.
This is just a step.
This is to say, stop the invasion.
They want to go beyond that and attack the cartels.
steve bannon
Ben Berkwam, you've got a special that's coming up, and it's going to be a different time this time because of the great coverage Real America's Voice is going to do from Alaska for President Trump's historic trip out there, for Kelly Chabaka, who's going to start the show tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock, and Sarah Palin.
Ben, you're going to be at 4 o'clock.
Walk through, we've got about 30 seconds, walk through the show and how do people get to it.
unidentified
Yep, our next episode of Law & Border, this one you guys have to watch it, we're gonna be, it's our Panama episode, we're talking about controlled flow, we're exposing the enemies within, this invasion of our southern border, how it gets from Panama to our southern border, and how it's invading into our country.
It ties it all together, and anybody who's interested, 4 o'clock, you gotta be there, you gotta see it.
steve bannon
Four o'clock.
Okay, Ben Brokaw, thank you very much for taking time away for your next assignment.
Todd Benjamin's gonna stick with us.
We're gonna get down and figure out what's going on at the southern border next in The War Room.
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steve bannon
Okay, programming note, in the next hour, for all you guys in the election, NPR has done a hit piece, or quasi-hit piece, on four prominent people.
Lyndell being one, Dr. Frank being another, this from the cyber conference last year, but Seth Keshel, Captain Seth Keshel, And David Clements are going to join us in the next hour and go through what they're doing now to deal with election fraud for 2022.
Also, to keep the embers burning of what's going to happen for 2020.
You're not going to want to miss this.
Also, we have Jim Marchand, who's leading up the whole coalition for everybody.
They're going to be on.
And Naomi Wolf's got some brutal statistics and out on CDC.
She's calling out, she's going to call out the CDC director, I think, as being a liar.
So you don't want to miss that.
Plus, Robbie Starbucks, Richard Burris has got upholsterers.
Robbie Starbuck is a right-hand candidate.
I don't know.
We're going to have Starbucks on to walk us through that.
I'm trying to track down Michael Patrick Leahy for tomorrow and maybe Barris because Tennessee 5, I'm telling you, is a barn burner.
So a lot going on.
Kyle LeBreux, also from out in Missouri 4, is going to join us.
So the battleground is going to be intense tomorrow morning.
We're going to open in Alaska with Kelly.
I think we're trying to track down Sarah Palin about this huge rally.
President Trump schlepping all the way out to Alaska on Saturday.
It's going to be Blockbuster Real America's voice is going to cover it live.
You do not want to miss that because I think Trump's going to light things up and that's deplorable land out there.
So, and then we've got Mike Lindell coming on right after that about this NPR article and also other things that he's working on.
The show tomorrow morning is going to be lit.
We're going to be in London.
We're going to talk to the Dutch farmers.
We've got Jan over there.
You don't want to miss it.
And then stay for the next hour.
The next hour is going to be intense.
So here's what I don't get.
Abbott's not a dumb guy, right?
He's a rhino, but he's not a dumb guy.
The stunt he pulled, we're the hardest core of the hardcore, and our audience is too.
It was not funny, it was not cute, as my mom used to say.
It just was not cute.
You know, the big thing, oh, they're going to send him to the United States, they're not going to stay in Texas.
It's not, that is not a solution.
It's also not humane.
Can't put people on buses, just drop them and dump them in the middle of nowhere.
That's what Biden and these guys do.
We can't do that.
We have more respect for these people.
Look, they're making a rational decision.
If I was living down there, and I was living in Venezuela, and I saw that Joe Biden's inviting me to come up here to the United States.
They're going to give me all kind of money and take care of me and the family.
I'm heading up, bro.
No matter how dangerous.
Jailbreak.
But I don't get this.
This thing right now, according to you, who are the smartest guy I know, in Burquam, is another stunt.
Why is Abbott in the stunt business?
And here's the thing.
Robert Francis O'Rourke ain't that far behind right now.
People gotta get serious.
Texas, which people have done such a hard job.
And we got the Hispanic community voting for us because of defending the border.
What is Abbott missing?
The Hispanic community, the hardscrabble counties down there are begging for this.
He's trying to play cute in another stunt, Todd Bensman.
todd bensman
It's bad politics.
We are not stupid.
People can see right through this.
They're going to see right through this immediately.
There'll be press down there showing buses unloading immigrants right at the port of entry.
As though we're kicking him out of the country.
It'll be obvious that we're not kicking him out of the country.
It'll be immediately obvious.
I don't know why.
It's just bad.
It's bad politicking.
And like you said, you know, Beto O'Rourke or Robert Francis O'Rourke is about six points behind in the last poll.
And I don't think that the Abbott administration should be risking Uh, alienating especially Mexican Americans down on the border who are inclined to turn red this time.
They've already been going red.
And I think that the Abbott administration is absolutely going to need That strip of red down there on the border, he should be doing that thing.
steve bannon
But Todd, hang on a second, brother.
It's not just bad, but terrible politics, terrible optics.
But how is it as far as policy goes?
You're a policy guy.
As far as policy goes, is this on a scale from 1 to 10, is this a 10 being nirvana, or is this a 1 being another disaster, another avid disaster?
todd bensman
Yeah, this is right in there with the, you know, we're going to dump them in Washington When it's all voluntary.
So they're helping out these immigrants with bus fare at state expense.
This falls right in there.
Now, I liked what Abbott did with the bridges.
That was real.
That had real potential to it.
He closed those bridges down and he forced the Mexicans to come to the table, but he only did it for two or three days and then kind of dropped it.
I don't know what's happened with that.
That was one of the few real things that he did.
And then also, you know, listen, having Texas DPS all over down there, granted that's my former agency, I'm biased about them, but they're stopping drugs, they're there when Border Patrol is not there, they're catching smugglers, they're filing charges, they are doing real things.
But the thing that people want is for the illegal immigration to be stopped, to be pushed back over to Mexico.
And the bottom line is that legally, I don't think they have been able to figure out how to do that yet at a state level, and they're not doing it.
Even if they were to walk them over the bridge to the halfway point and drop them there, even that would cause litigation and it would take some time, but the conservatives run the Supreme Court at 6-3 now.
Now is the time to do something like that because it would go very quickly to that 6-3.
steve bannon
Brother, we only got a minute, but the 6-3, we're deconstructing the administrative state, we're killing Roe v. Wade, we're doing daubs, and you get to my remain in Mexico and I'm a 5-4 loser.
So how, Todd, you got a minute, help me out, I'm not feeling good.
Kavanaugh and Roberts, let's face it, they didn't want to go to the Georgetown cocktail parties and be accused of being xenophobes, correct?
todd bensman
Yeah, but just different issues.
Those are different legal issues.
Listen, it's pretty clear, if you read the Constitution, it says, I mean, it's pretty clear right there, and I think a lot of these guys are strict constructionalists, and that they would, you know, it's a flip of the coin, but I think that they would go strict constructionalist on Biden actually forcing this issue at the border.
steve bannon
People have got to get your book.
Now we've got 50 a month coming across.
Give the book on Amazon.
You've got another one coming out in a couple of months, but you've got to get this Jihad book, and how they get to you, particularly on your getter, because you are lit.
unidentified
Right.
todd bensman
T. Benzman at Getter, and my book is America's Covert Order War, about all the jihadists coming across the border right now.
unidentified
A hundred of them in the last few months.
Wow.
Wow.
steve bannon
Bensman, you're a patriot and a hero.
Keep grinding.
Your stuff's amazing.
Thank you.
Okay, stick around.
Next hour, we're going to get into the election fraud and what we need to do in 2022 to make sure that these Democrats can't steal it.
Because, and I'm quoting all these articles, if they ain't stealing it, they ain't winning it.
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