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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
And this is why patriots have to put their shoulder to the wheel.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room Battleground. Here's your host Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome to War Room Battleground. In the middle of a third world war, there's also a conflict at home and we're going to take care of that conflict because we're going to have a sweeping, sweeping, massive victory on November 8th.
Also, in addition, we're going to be winning up and down ticket everywhere.
There's breaking news out of Houston, Texas today about an election official that has been removed and people are saying, Dan Schultz is telling me that they're Uh, saying that this is because of our precinct strategy and people involved in the local election officials.
So a lot going on today.
Uh, we want to make sure we start this show.
We want to start laying the substrate, the foundational elements, so you can think about the federal elections that's going to take place on November 8th.
But we're also going to cover up and down ticket.
We're going to cover governor's races, particularly Secretary of State's races.
I think it's new republics.
Got an amazing piece out today of how important the Secretary of State races are.
We are maniacally focused on all this, but I want to start.
I've got both Boris Epstein, who does such a great job on political analytics for us, but we've also got from the Star Network.
Two guys you're going to see a lot of this coming year in the run-up to eight is both Neil McCabe, who's the national political editor.
He's down in Georgia today doing interviews.
of uh... in about the election fraud down there he's also got breaking news out of uh... arizona in addition uh... we've got uh...
erin gold branson who is a uh... who does all of the congressional races I want to bring Aaron in right now.
Aaron, you've written a detailed memo and it is about the redistricting.
It's something that Boris and I have been maniacally focused on, but you've kind of set this up of where we actually stand today.
Can you walk the audience through on these redistricting, which we thought at the beginning of this process we were going to be is going to be R plus 12.
Walk us through where we stand today.
The Supreme Court just ruled the other day on a couple of states.
Boris is going to get into that in a minute, but walk us through where we stand and how did we get here, sir?
unidentified
Yeah, good to be with you.
Of course, everybody was assuming that this was going to be a Republican slam dunk, but the field is actually tilted in the Democrats' behavior.
No doubt in part to the Democrats' suit of blue, but the new maps thus far, which of course, you have four states that have not completed their process.
Which includes 44 districts that have not been redistricting, right?
So, but as we stand right now, you have a net Democrat gain of 11 Democrat-leaning seats, Republicans have lost 6 Republican-leaning seats, and then there was a subtraction of 6 competitive seats.
So, we're looking at it, and of course you need to, right now, if the election were to happen today, you'd need to have 7, you'd need to pick up 7.
So, the Republicans are kind of getting their butts kicked a bit in the redistricting process.
In Texas, they went on an incumbent protection spree, rather than trying to make some more districts competitive.
In Tennessee, they showed them kind of the right way on the Republican side, where they changed the formerly fifth Democrat stronghold into a Republican seat.
So, right now, Republicans are not creating the chessboard that they want.
And, of course, you have the litigation.
That's what's going on.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to go back through this slowly so the audience understands this.
To start the process off, given the 2020 census, if this was done fair and smartly, we would have had a pickup of R plus 20.
We would have picked up 12 seats of which just performing like you normally perform, we would take over the house.
And I remember having meetings on Capitol Hill with all these people saying, hey, it's a lock.
We're going to do this because we're going to pick up these seats.
Right?
And now you're telling me that didn't happen.
I want to be very specific.
The Boers and I have talked about so much.
The Democrats, not just that they weaponize Mark Elias and the legal guys weaponize things, they play total smash mouth.
In New York State, I think we're at 23-3.
I think they've taken five seats away.
So just walk through slowly.
How did we go from a Republican pickup of 12 To now, I think you're saying we're negative?
And I know what the establishment did was protect the incumbents, and their excuse is, oh, we're going to save $50 million, we don't have to raise or spend on these seats, because we're making them, instead of R plus 2, we've made them R plus 10, so it's a safe seat, but we gave Democrats, maybe a district, got mixed up.
So walk us through how we went from a pickup of 12 seats to not a pickup of 12 seats, sir.
unidentified
You said a very major thing, which is they did the incumbent protection thing.
And then you also have the essentially the suit blue thing.
So we don't know what's going on in North Carolina and Georgia.
They're in litigation.
The Ohio Supreme Court is on their second by second or third bite of the apple on the districts there.
And New York is the kicker because it eliminated at least four congressional seats.
So what we're seeing is Number one, in the redistricting process for states that Republican control it, they've either played it safe by enhancing their incumbents, not necessarily looking for fairer elections in other districts, not necessarily even going after the Democrats.
Then, in other states, they've been sued, and some of the maps have been tossed out, and this is part of Eric Holder's strategy on this, which is sue to blue.
The Democrats, who they always do this when they have power, is they're very hyper-aggressive.
And in a state like New York, they went completely to the wall and tossed out at least four or five Republican seats.
And so we're sitting here with 11 more Democrat-leaning seats nationally than we had last cycle.
There are six fewer Republican-leaning seats than there were.
And there are six fewer seats that are competitive.
And this is the, again, this is the aggressive map drawing in New York, as well as court decisions overturning maps in states like Ohio and North Carolina.
Now, Florida has yet to finish the redistricting process, too.
steve bannon
I would say Florida and Missouri are still out.
And Missouri's still out because of the heroes in the legislature of the state of Tennessee, the Tennessee volunteers, put their shoulder to the wheel.
And really, I think it braced up Missouri.
I'm gonna get Boris give me details in a second and also Governor Rand DeSantis and Ron DeSantis ought to get an attaboy and everybody ought to have his back on this.
They gave him, I think it started with a 14 to 14.
That corrupt crowd up in Tallahassee started a 14 to 14.
He's a 28, but they have not been approved.
Aaron, besides Missouri and Florida, because we want this, our posse will work like crazy on this thing and they're enraged by this, where else is there still work to do besides Missouri and Florida right now?
You said there were 44 districts total.
Missouri and Florida, I think, would add up to 36 districts.
unidentified
You've got Louisiana and New Hampshire.
steve bannon
What else is there work to do?
unidentified
Louisiana and New Hampshire.
steve bannon
Louisiana and New Hampshire.
Okay.
One last thing before I let you go.
I want you to just go back and talk about the aggressive nature, and I want every Republican out there to understand this, and we just launched a new station outside of Philadelphia, how aggressive the Democrats are at legally using lawfare.
And this is what the Republicans have to get, we've got to build something like a Mark Elias.
Right?
Now, we've got a lot of wins over Mark Elias, but my point is the way they come at things.
They're in full attack mode all the time.
Is that correct, Aaron?
unidentified
Yeah.
If they don't like the result, they sue.
If they have control of the entire process, they don't care who they throw against the wall.
And, you know, they're suing in North Carolina and Georgia, Ohio, and several other states.
And in New York, where they had total control redistricting, they threw Republicans out of the House, essentially.
steve bannon
I just want everybody to understand, in New York State, with 26 congressional seats, you're going to have 3 Republicans in the entire state.
It used to be 8.
I mean, it's been demographic implosion there.
That's why they keep losing seats overall.
But still, with the 26 they have, it's going to be 23 to 3.
It's mind-blowing.
Only 3 Republican House members in the entire Empire State.
And they basically just took 5.
This is the way they play Smash Mouth.
Golbranson, how do people, the Star News, you're the head of the Congressional League, we're going to have you on all the time to go through this year at the House level.
How do people get to you?
How do they get to Star News?
How do they follow your reporting?
What's your social media?
unidentified
Well, the main flagship is, of course, the Tennessee Star, so that's the tennesseestar.com, and I'm on Getter under the username Aaron Golbranson.
I know that's a mouthful, but it's Aaron Golbranson on Getter.
steve bannon
It's a great name, sir.
I love that name.
unidentified
I appreciate it.
steve bannon
Aaron, thank you very much for joining us.
Great work.
Great memo.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
So, Boris, Aaron's going to be a little bit of your wingman here on these house races for the coming year.
I want to go back and talk about the Supreme Court, what the Supreme Court ruled on the last couple of days, and where do we actually stand in all this now?
Because, and Boris, how did we get to a place where we're supposed to have R plus 12, and we're not even going to be close to that?
You've got to walk the audience through that.
boris epshteyn
Steve, such an honor to be here.
Congratulations on the new hour.
So vital.
So vital for the MAGA movement to have this hour of War Room Battleground.
The Star News Network, we're going to do a lot of great work together.
It's going to be a blast.
Here's how we got here.
Rhinos.
That's how we got here.
Rhinos.
Republicans who are not strong enough, who are not strong enough to fight for redistricting.
Arizona is a good example, and we've seen so many debacles in Arizona, right, from the failure to put Fincham's bill on the floor to reclaim the electors.
To this disaster with the precinct committee strategy, and of course to redistricting.
That is how we went from being up 12 to now, from what I understand, and I've read the memo, but we could end up being down three, four, or even five in terms of districts as they are made up that went for Biden in 2020.
This is an absolute disaster.
In terms of the Supreme Court, such unbelievable dire disappointment in Justices Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, a major, major mistake by them, and then they effectively punted and said, well, this could be reexamined later, but later is after 2020.
So after 2022.
So, they said, oh, well, we could take a look at it again, but that will not be until after the midterms.
So, on Pennsylvania, on North Carolina, and I'm very, very interested in what that means for Ohio.
Frankly, not optimistic.
I believe that this will be a negative decision for what should have been an absolute ability by Republicans to draw the maps as they wish in the state legislatures, just as Democrats have done in New York, in Illinois, in California, and Maryland.
So, the Supreme Court, again, with a decision that was joined by not just Roberts, who we're now expecting to be a suitor-type lib, but by Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, The decision does not have much basis in law, does not have much basis even in precedent.
It's just a decision that they made seemingly for political reasons.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to make sure before we leave redistricting.
You've got Louisiana and New Hampshire, and they're obviously important, but you have the fight still in Missouri.
boris epshteyn
Missouri.
steve bannon
And particularly Governor DeSantis.
Governor DeSantis.
And I like what Ron's done, the Governor's done.
He's thrown down and said, hey, don't send me anymore.
I'm vetoing this.
Everything you're talking about I'm going to veto.
That's right.
I want 20 to 8.
boris epshteyn
Clear as day.
steve bannon
Or we're not going to do this.
Walk us through where we stand in these fights, because I gotta tell you, this is outrageous.
I also want to ask you, is this a legitimate excuse where the establishment is saying, hey, you guys are missing the overall plot?
Yes, maybe we didn't get the pickups we wanted, but we made these other ones so secure, it's going to give us the resources to take these ones, these sturdy, that are grabbable.
Do you buy that?
boris epshteyn
I don't buy it whatsoever.
That's an old school, Swampy excuse that I have no time for whatsoever.
That's not what it's about.
It's not about going from a 15 to a 20 or a 20 to a net plus 30.
It's about having MAGA districts because we're being told, and we've seen this in Virginia, New Jersey, and other places, that anything that's Biden plus 12 Unless, is a win for MAGA is a likely pickup.
So if we are there, why are we worrying about shoring up, you know, R plus 10, R plus 15 districts?
We should be going out and getting as many districts for us that are even fine.
You want to be MAGA plus 5?
Great.
MAGA plus 10?
Great.
That's still lining up to be a win in 22 and 24, so that excuse is absolutely unacceptable.
I have no time for it whatsoever.
In Florida, Ron DeSantis has drawn, it's not a line on the sand, he carved a line in the pavement.
And said that I am vetoing anything that is not 20 to 8, the strong map that he's put forward.
Attaboy to Governor Ron DeSantis, to the War Room Posse that I'm sure is so dialed in, piled into this extra hour.
To the War Room Posse, make sure you're getting on the horn on your emails, on your text messages, and letting Governor DeSantis know that you're proud of him for standing up strong on redistricting.
In Missouri, the RINOs have taken their chips off the table, and they're trying to come up with their next plan, but the reason That they're off the table is that we won this battle with leadership from people like Governor Greitens, who's coming strong on redistricting.
We have been able to push back against, they're saying it was 6-2, but really a 5-3 map and continue to stand strong on 7-1.
steve bannon
By the way, I want to make sure that everybody knows, Commander Gritens and Rhonda Santos are both former naval officers.
They stood in the breach here.
Everybody's got to have their back.
They've done such an extraordinary job.
We're not there yet, but this would have been a debacle if these guys... Let me be honest, this is a disgrace.
To get to the 100 seats, which we could have had if you'd done your job here and gotten the R-Plus-12, this is the same excuse you get all the time.
It's just outrageous this happened.
Unacceptable.
Okay, you've got a bunch of analysis.
I understand you've got a bulp.
I may have to hold you over for a few minutes.
Walk me through.
You've got some breaking news inside baseball from analysis you've seen up on Capitol Hill of where we stand with the overall congressional races.
Walk me through what you've got.
boris epshteyn
No doubt about it, and Steve, I'm going to go, because I want to be very, very specific on these numbers, and I'm going to go to the videotape here.
And these are congressional candidates, congressional candidates who have come out and said that this is their time to run, that they are not taking one step back, and that they're going to be fighting for MAGA overall, all across the country.
And these numbers really are staggering, Steve.
Again, these are numbers of candidates across the country who have committed to running, and they're compared to 2010 and other elections.
Federal Republicans filed 1,343.
unidentified
1,343.
boris epshteyn
921 filed in 2010.
A huge increase in just 12 years.
Denver, that's the poll.
I'm reading the numbers on it.
These are, again, congressional Republican candidates who have filed and are running.
Why is this important?
Because these are our soldiers.
These are men and women in battle right now saying, I am putting my name on the line, I'm running for office.
So, top line, 1,343 running 921 in 2010.
Total districts filed.
We're filed in 413 of 435 districts.
That means the Republicans are leaving no stone uncovered.
I want to get to 435.
So whoever's out there in districts where you don't have any Republicans and you don't have any MAGA, go ahead and file.
If you're thinking about it, reach out to us.
We'll work with you.
We'll talk to you about it.
Hit me on social media.
Getter, Twitter, the gram, whatever it may be.
Truth Social.
We're there for you because it's important for us to be in every single district, but already we are in over 90% of the districts.
So, so important.
Total women filed, 269 right now.
In 2020 at this time, there were 217.
now. In 2020 at this time there were 217 total was 228. We're already at 269.
Again, what does that mean?
That means, as we've talked about, that MAGA has expanded.
MAGA is the women candidates.
MAGA is the Hispanic candidates, the black candidates.
We are the inclusive opportunity party.
Total candidates from diverse communities, 237.
And this is staggering, Steve.
At this time in 2020, there were 177 candidates from diverse communities.
192 total filed.
We've already outstripped that by almost 50 candidates.
That is staggering.
Again, the expansion of MAGA.
MAGA going across the country, across backgrounds, across ethnicities, across financial backgrounds.
total veterans filed 233 and that number is growing and it's going to likely surpass the 259 that was filed total total in 2020 again these numbers overall the big one almost 500 more candidates filed at this time that there were in 2010 more women More people of diverse backgrounds, Hispanic, African-American, etc., Asian-American.
We are taking over the country.
And as we've talked about, the polling showing that MAGA right now is about two-thirds of the country.
And that is why we are so proud.
So proud of the War on Posse, the MAGA movement under the leadership of President Trump, because we are growing in this movement.
The Dems, the woke libs, they're marginalizing themselves, and we are growing, and it's going to be a huge year in 22, and even bigger in 24.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to go back to something that I think doesn't get said enough, and I want to do it right here.
These numbers, which are blow-away numbers, it shows you more people are active, more people understand the urgency of the moment, they understand the historical nature and the inflection point we're in.
But most important, they also understand inclusive nationalism and participatory populism.
And this is because of one guy, Donald J. Trump.
It is Trump, MAGA, America First, but it was his inspiration, not being a career politician, that inspired so many Ordinary, working-class and middle-class men and women that said, hey, guess what?
I want to go ahead and jump in the fray.
I want to get involved here.
Boris, you know this as well as anybody.
Talk to me about Trump's inspiration.
Because all he does is trash.
He's anti-democratic.
This puts a lie to it.
He is really the inspiration of a true small-D democratic movement to get people to actually participate, like in civics.
Walk me through that.
boris epshteyn
Steve, up to 2015 and then our big win in 2016, which you and I are both so honored to be a part of, American politics really became a game for the wealthy, a game for the establishment elite, a game for the unit party.
President Trump came in and said, you know what?
Nah, not so much.
I'm opening it up.
I'm going to speak to the men and women of our country, the forgotten men and women, everybody, the rank and files all across the country.
And that has given people that agency that we talk about, the action, action, action.
And now they've said, well, you know what?
Donald J. Trump could do it, the blue-collar billionaire.
So now somebody like Carolina Serrano, a waitress, I can do it, right?
Somebody who's in this other services industry, they can do it.
Somebody who's in construction, they could do it.
Business people can do it.
People running small mom-and-pop shops, they're taking their agency, they're taking their livelihoods, they're taking their power into their own hands.
And that was absolutely not the case before 2015 and 2016.
That inspiration of President Donald J. Trump has been an unparalleled catalyst to anything else really we've seen in our history since the revolution.
This is the new revolution.
That's what the lead into this wonderful show says, right?
It's the new revolution, and that's what this is.
The Trump revolution came in, and it wasn't only about winning in 2016 and Yes, Little Jamie, yes, Benny Thompson, winning in 2020, and then again in 2024.
It was about empowering and giving belief and confidence to the American people all across the country to say, if he can do it, we can do it, and we are going to do it.
We're going to run for these offices, and it's not just Congress and Senate, it's also down ticket, right?
It's secretaries of state.
It's people running for their local precinct committee men and committee women.
That's why it's so important to focus on.
It is attorneys general.
It's councilmen and councilwomen.
It is all these elected officials that people are running for because they are sick, Steve, and tired.
They're sick and tired.
Of career politicians, warmongers, telling them what to do, how to act, how to think.
President Trump came in and said, no more of that.
Your agency is in your own hands.
Your agency is in your own hands.
And that's been the biggest political revolution in our country's history since the founding.
steve bannon
If you go back to these numbers of minorities, of women, of people that are not lawyers, right, running and now saying, I want to get actively involved in this at the federal level, all down ticket, all down ticket and down ballot, right?
You're seeing everywhere from the precinct committees to the election officials to the people taking over the school boards.
But you're seeing this at the federal level for a congressional seat, which is, you know, this is getting into the big leagues.
And you've seen in Texas, in the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas, and we saw Elise Stefanik today came out with her list of women that she's backing.
Obviously these great Hispanic Americans in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas, which we're going to have on the show over the next couple of days.
But tell me how that is actually the hammer to the anvil of our opportunity to shatter They're shattering as we speak, right?
boris epshteyn
They're shattering as we speak because they have no central offer, no central hypothesis, no central idea to offer the American people.
What do we have?
We've got opportunity, we've got strength, we've got America first, American manufacturing, American exceptionalism.
And that is intoxicating to Americans of all backgrounds.
My family, we're immigrants.
I came here when I was 11.
And we're so proud to be in this country.
And we relate to, you know, we came from Russia, right?
Yes, Eric Swalwell, I'm from Russia.
You racist idiot.
Okay?
No, I'm not a spy.
To all you Libs who want to tweet about me, say whatever you want.
You know, I couldn't care less about you.
But we relate to legal immigrants in the Rio Grande Valley because they were searching for the same exact, and yearning for the same exact American dream.
And that's why I'm so proud to stand, so proud to stand with President Trump, with Elise Stefanik, with these candidates who are first-time candidates who are coming out and saying, we are going to do something about what's happening to this country.
And the Democrats, they know what's coming.
Mike Bloomberg's telling them what's coming, Chris Solis on CNN's telling them what's coming.
It's going to be a wipeout.
Because the American people have turned him off, tuned him out, and actually, overwhelmingly, they're disgusted by the Democrats because they don't do anything right, including this action by Biden today.
Okay, so he turns off Russian oil, Europe doesn't follow him because he's not a leader, they don't care what Biden says, and now who's going to pay for that?
You think it's Russia?
No, Russia's going to sell their oil and natural gas to Europe and to China.
You know who's going to pay for that?
The middle class in this country is who's going to pay for another pathetic Terrible mistake by the Democrats.
So, the movement of broadening MAGA is going to destroy the Democrats as long, as long as we do the right thing on redistricting and we have the opportunity to take those 100 seats for 100 years.
steve bannon
Okay, Boris, thank you for coming to Battlegrounds for your first appearance.
You're going to be on here many, many times with your analytics and analysis.
Real quickly, give social media, we've got to bounce, give the social media where people can find you because you're like Posobiec.
It's like the AP wire on politics.
boris epshteyn
Steve, it's my honor to be here.
So enthusiastic, excited about this show.
Thank you for having me.
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Stay strong.
God bless.
I'll see you tomorrow.
steve bannon
Okay, Boris Epstein.
Remember, on November 8th of this year, we get a chance, once in a lifetime, to shatter the Democratic Party as we know it.
To shatter the Democratic Party as we know it.
But it's all got to be through human action and human agency at the ballot box.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to be back in a moment.
unidentified
Okay, welcome back.
steve bannon
War Room Battleground, where we get down to the nitty-gritty of politics.
What it's going to take to have an overwhelming, sweeping, red tsunami at every level this November 8th.
We're going to talk about primaries, demographics, polling, analytics, all of it.
I want to go now to, we've got Neil McCabe.
He's a Senior National Political Editor for the Star News Network.
Neil is in Georgia today.
Neil, you're down interviewing one of our favorite guys and he's going to testify tomorrow.
Why is this not another false hope?
Because we've got to start putting forward the receipts and start the decertification process.
George is the one that drives me the craziest.
And I know you're down there on assignment from Leahy to get to Brad Raffensperger.
Who did you interview today?
unidentified
We spoke to Garland Federito, who's with Voter GA.
Which is an election integrity watchdog.
And what you're seeing is not only here in Georgia with Federico, is that Washington is trying to move on from 2020, but the states, especially the conservatives in these states, are not letting it go.
And Federico, he made an analysis of the more than 524,000 ballots in Fulton County for 2020.
And he found evidence of a dump of ballots because these scanners can do one ballot per second.
So if a bunch of ballots all came in at the same timestamp, that means they were dumped all at once.
He also saw evidence of a search and replace program that somebody was using to basically take authentic ballots and replace them with inauthentic ballots.
And he's testifying tomorrow at the statehouse here in Georgia.
and he'll be talking to the government affairs committee that's on the house side.
steve bannon
How could they, when you say that, I mean how can we be over, I don't know, what a year and a half into this thing, we're now what, eight months away from from the midterm elections, which will be a referendum on all this, and he's testifying again with this evidence that's so self-evident that's
I know they're in the court system with Purdue and everybody but how can we still be doing testimony and when you say that people won't let it go I believe that Kemp and the Republican establishment in Georgia They have let it go.
And if Kemp doesn't pay a political price on the 24th of May, it's going to speak volumes to the ability of everybody to deliver.
Neil McCabe.
unidentified
Yeah, so what's happening is, you know, it took him a while to get a hold of these ballots.
And his group, Voter GA, they had to lobby the legislature.
The legislature passed a law saying that the ballots at Fulton County had to be made available.
And so he finally got them and then he did the analysis.
But of course, the Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, he's had everything the whole time.
And they're just not digging.
They're not looking.
They don't want to know.
Frankly, they're afraid to find out how bad it is.
steve bannon
Okay, you're going to interview, and he's going to testify, so Garland's going to testify tomorrow.
Does he anticipate anything's going to happen with this testimony?
Is this going to be more just talking to the wall?
I know he's going to get into the record, and this is a forcing function, but is this going to be just like talking to the wall?
unidentified
I don't know.
You've got to believe that, you know, you bang your head against the wall, eventually you go through the wall, you know, and hopefully you'll set in motion a chain of events.
I think what he needs to do is he needs to give these state legislators, these lawmakers, the confidence that this thing was rigged because the media and everyone else is telling them it's fantasy camp. But if you're looking at it and it's real, then people have the courage to stand up. It's just it's tough to go against the tsunami that 2020 was fair and clean. Okay, talking about somebody banging the head on the wall, you're down there to interview the Georgia Secretary of State.
steve bannon
What is that?
What is that going to get us?
And I've seen him on certain, you know, conservative programs where they kind of treat him with kid gloves.
Are you going to go in there tomorrow?
I don't say be confrontational, but you're going to ask the tough questions, because to me, this guy borders.
He's running for reelection.
To me, borders almost on criminality.
So what are you going to do tomorrow?
What do you hope to find out?
unidentified
If I get a hold of him, I'm going to ask him straight up.
Why is he going to court to keep evidence sealed, which he's still doing because there are affidavits about fraudulent ballots.
These are mail-in ballots that were never folded or correlated the way, you know, when we get mail that's folded in an envelope.
So how is it that a mail-in ballot was never folded or machined?
And so that's one thing.
And then it generally it's the question.
Why is it that his office is stalling on these investigations?
And I also want to follow up with him on the True the Vote investigation that he announced January 5th with great fanfare, Steve, because he was trying to show people that, you know, he's interested in fraud.
He's not standing on, he's not trying to close the lid on it because, as you said, he's going out to conservative media.
He's trying to run for re-election in a Republican primary and he's running to win.
steve bannon
Are you going to try to... I take it you're not on his dance card right now?
You're going to try to meet him somewhere and ask these questions?
Is this a typical Neal McCabe?
The way you were hounding poor Lindsey Graham, who was in the Cups, as they say in England, the other day outside the Capitol Hill Club?
Is this a Neal McCabe?
Is this going to be like James O'Keefe used to do in the old days?
unidentified
This will be the soft ambush, Steve.
Very professional and ethical.
steve bannon
This is back to your Breitbart days.
This is a hard ambush here.
Neil, we don't have time to refight old battles.
People only have so much energy, so much time to put their shoulders to the wheel here.
What is this fiasco in Arizona?
You know, Schultz, and we don't have time to get Dan Schultz on today, we're going to get him on tomorrow.
Dan just texted me this thing from Harris County where they lost, they didn't count 10,000 ballots down in the Houston area.
Now I think they just got rid of one of the Democratic officials and they're tweeting out, this is the result of the Bannon precinct strategy, it's really the Schultz precinct strategy.
But where it was formed and where it came to birth in Arizona, President Trump, and just to make sure everyone understands this, Trump comes out after Steve Stern and Schultz have done this incredible job.
We've been on the war room for over a year.
People have responded.
The Posse's signing up all over the country.
There's tens of thousands of people.
It's making the left media meltdown.
Somebody's got a book contract, or a book contract, because this one, even more than the school boards, this is what freaks them out.
Trump comes out four days ago, or last Monday, and endorses the precinct strategy.
I heard my guys are doing this.
I really love it.
Keep fighting.
Lindell comes out right afterwards and said, I love the precinct strategy.
He got their speech.
Four days later, emergency legislation in a package, and Ducey goes to Ducey's thing in the dead of night, in the middle of night, I guess on Friday.
The precinct thing's now been outlawed.
And everybody's pointing the finger at everybody else, and they're saying, oh, we're just going to go back to the Democrats who need two-thirds votes, and I'm hearing that they're demanding the dropping of voter ID.
What is going on?
What caused this?
Who's to blame?
And what's the solution, Neil McCabe?
unidentified
So, a little while ago, I spoke to State Senator Michelle Ugenti-Rita, and she told me that the fingerprints belong to the Arizona Association of Counties.
They wrote the bill.
And they pushed it through to the legislature, handed it over to the legislative leaders, and they said, this is what we need to do to run these elections for this cycle.
And nobody read the bill.
Or if they read it, it took a while to process it.
I know that a number of people have gone to attorneys.
Schultz himself is an attorney.
He told me he had trouble understanding the bill.
But as it's written right now, it's an emergency bill.
And so as you know, Steve, a supernatural sin requires a supernatural sacrifice.
And so to get this thing reversed, they have to pass another emergency bill with a two-thirds majority, and the Democrats have told them, you're going to have to give us your first-born child, a kidney, or the elimination of voter ID.
Your choice.
steve bannon
Which is it.
Hold it.
No offense.
Over the weekend I heard all happy talk.
Oh, this is going to get reversed on Monday.
We're going to have a conference call.
And I said it's a two-thirds vote.
I said the Democrats, and particularly Ducey, are not going to sit there.
They're not in the business of doing MAGA favors.
They don't want Donald Trump's people engaged in politics.
They're against participatory populism.
And today, let me drop you the bomb.
The Democrats I'm hearing are saying, hey, we'll play ball.
Just a tiny, a tiny tweak.
Just got to give us a tiny tweak to get to the two thirds.
And that's to drop the voter I.D.
Something they've been fighting.
We finally got passed.
So, Neil, let me say another thing.
Michelle Argentine, I got to talk to my brothers, the Hoff twins, who we love in Gateway.
Michelle Ogenti is the one that got booed off the stage at the talking point where the President came out to.
She's the one running for Secretary of State, got booed off the stage.
Correct me if I'm wrong, she's the only person that didn't vote for this.
Is she going to come out looking good in this?
Because she actually says she knows more about voter laws than anybody else.
She's the one that did not vote for this.
All the rest of the Republicans did.
Neil McCabe.
unidentified
In the Senate, three Senators did not vote.
In the House, two Reps did not vote.
But there were no nay votes.
She told me that her intention was to vote against it because she read it and understood it, but she didn't get to the Statehouse in time because she didn't realize how quickly they were moving.
Of course, this thing, as you said, was filed, is passed, and signed Thursday.
steve bannon
Unbelievable.
So, where do we stand right now?
What's the bid and the ask on getting this thing?
So, you're saying it's not going to change the precinct committee for this term you think is done out there?
unidentified
They can't hit that bid, Steve.
There's no way.
It's like they're going to have to throw away the whole unit.
They're going to have to make Kaepernick the Speaker of the House to get this thing through.
steve bannon
Well, by the way, this is Rusty Bauer.
Do we have any idea, before I let you go, I've got about a minute, do you have any idea, actually, I'm hearing, people are pointing fingers at each other, it was in black, you know, it was in black and white, it wasn't redlined.
How did this happen?
unidentified
Well, the counties wrote the bill, and they told, you know, somebody must have known what was in it, because Jay Coffman told me that three or four House members came up to him personally and told him That it had been vetted by Kelly Ward and the Republican Party and that the Republican Party wanted this thing through.
And that whispering campaign went on the House floor.
There was a caucus meeting.
They asked anybody if they had any questions.
Nobody had any questions because all the writing was in the black.
And so everyone was looking at the red and the blue to see if there were actual changes to current law.
And so and so they there you have it.
They pulled it off.
steve bannon
Neil McCabe, how'd it get to you?
You're the national political reporter for, editor for Star News Network.
How do people get to you on social media?
How'd they get to you at Star?
unidentified
On Twitter, Getter, and Truth Social, it's at ReporterMcCabe.
steve bannon
Worked with Neil a long time, a real warrior.
McCabe, we're going to have a lot of fun this year because you're a real grinder.
You and Leahy have put together a great team.
Really looking forward for our strategic partnership with Star News.
unidentified
We're playing for keeps, Steve.
steve bannon
As you always are.
Good luck tomorrow on your soft ambush.
A soft ambush.
I want to go now to a very special gentleman, Captain James Tesoro, former Blackhawk helicopter pilot, Army Captain.
Captain Tesoro, is James there?
unidentified
Yes sir, I'm here.
steve bannon
Hey, James, give us a little bit about your background, your military background, your service, you know, how you got into how you got commissioned.
I want the audience to kind of start to understand you.
unidentified
First of all, thanks.
It's an honor just to even be on here with you.
That was pretty awesome to get that text message to get on the show with you.
Yeah, so I did ROTC, graduated ROTC program through the University of Connecticut, went to Army Aviation Flight School down at Fort Rucker.
in Alabama, and then got stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas, deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
I've spent time both in the MEDEVAC unit and VIP, had some command time, a lot of different leadership positions as far as both in the company battalion and brigade and division level.
So I've worked for A lot of really great men and women over the course of the ten years that I was in the Army, and then moved to Wisconsin, and I'm here now with my two-and-a-half-year-old daughter, and causing a ruckus up here with a bunch of really great Americans.
steve bannon
Well, I want to get into that.
By the way, how many tours in Iraq?
One.
One tour.
Okay.
I just want to go to, we had Tim Rantham, who's running for governor, but he's the guy that put this forward to get to the decertification process.
I think we're going to have Judge Gableman on tomorrow, try and get Judge Gableman, a breaking news judge today, earlier.
Judge Gableman, I think, signed an extension on his contract, so he's still at work.
We've said from the beginning, Wisconsin is the easiest to prove.
The reason I saw you, somebody, a couple of folks I know really well sent me this, I guess it was a TikTok of you going off.
Walk through what happened the other day that lit off an army captain that has served his country overseas as a Black Hawk helicopter pilot.
You got a little worked up.
What happened?
unidentified
Well, first off, it all kind of came together after Justice Gableman gave his testimony and said that there was legal precedent for decertification in Wisconsin.
We all knew that from the work that we've been doing for the last year and a half.
Seth Keschel and I are great friends.
We've done a lot of work together.
Blessed to know him.
And we've been doing a lot of work at the grassroots level at both the local and the state political level for different races.
And the issue up here is that we've got a speaker in the assembly that is literally the largest obstructionist you can imagine as far as the state level goes.
Robin Voss.
He's definitely not a Republican.
He's definitely not a conservative.
He's got a history of being anti-Trump.
He pretends like he supports the president.
And then he's got, you know, a couple of really great senators in leadership, and one of them is Devin Lemahieu.
Both of them just do what they're told.
And so after this report that was given from the justice, who is a constitutional expert, by the way, the guy literally served his state and country by upholding or striking down laws and then writing about why.
So he knows the Constitution, both the federal and the state Constitution.
The man's extremely intelligent.
And he broke away from what You know, he was supposed to do, and that was, you know, to find nothing, basically, which is what boss has been actively trying to obstruct since the election was stolen.
And so the newly elected, um, county GOP here in Sheboygan, the chairman, Russ Otten, and I, um, put together an idea to have a meeting, and we invited, um, the district's representatives in the Assembly and our state senator, who happens to be the Senate majority leader, and that is Devin And he's the only one that showed up.
Now, to his credit, I did say that in the meeting.
I said, thank you for actually being here.
You're one of the three that actually showed up to face some of us.
And there were a few of us in the room.
And what really got me to the point where I said, OK, you know what?
Enough's enough.
You're just insulting us now, because what he said was at the end, basically what I said was you have this Supreme Court justice who did this investigation.
Um, with a really good staff found all of the stuff we already have drop boxes, you know, ballot harvesting, nursing homes, old folks homes, all this stuff that we already knew existed, but found the proof and said literally that there is grounds for this to be decertified.
And so this emergency meeting that's supposed to happen on March 16th, we were being told, you know, well, we don't even know what that is.
We've never even heard of a March 16th emergency meeting, blah, blah, blah.
So we get together at the chairman's house and Devin shows up and I'm sitting there asking him, you know, well, what are you going to do?
And he said, I don't plan to do anything with it because I don't believe that the legislature has the power to decertify the vote in Wisconsin.
And I said, how can you honestly expect anybody, any of your constituents or anybody in the state really to even believe that?
And his answer was, well, You know, I just don't believe that we have legal authority to do so.
And I said, well, then that was one of two things.
Either you don't understand your job or your role as a legislator, or you think I don't understand and the people don't understand what your role is supposed to be.
And then I said, and here's the reason why I'm so passionate about this.
It's because I don't care about myself.
In this instance, I care about the little girl in the picture frame behind me over the other shoulder, actually.
And, um, I said, I have a two-year-old daughter who's going to grow up in a country that you're actively throwing away.
And it's like you're sitting on the Titanic and it's on fire and the band's playing.
But as long as you guys in Madison have your little chair to hang on to of power, you don't care if the ship is sinking.
You don't care if the country's on fire.
You're just going to do what you want to do.
And he looked at me when I stopped talking and he goes, are you done?
Just like that.
And smirked at me.
And I said, okay.
What do you mean, am I done?
That's your response to me?
Your response to me is, are you done?
I voted for you.
I'm a constituent.
He goes, well, I care about all my votes.
I said, well, you clearly don't care about the votes of the people in this room, because if you did, you would do the right thing.
And I said, why is it so hard for you to do the right thing?
The issue isn't that you don't know the truth.
You're not ignorant.
You know the truth.
That's the issue, Steve, is that these folks don't care enough, in my opinion, and from their actions, it's proven that.
They have a serious character issue.
They're bought and paid for, in my opinion, as far as whether or not it's legitimate or literally or figuratively.
It's got to be a pride issue to where they won't do anything to stop what's going on.
steve bannon
Captain Tesar, I've only got like a couple minutes.
I want to get to something.
The person who reached out to you was Captain Bannon, Captain Kessel, Captain Tesoro.
Why does it seem like it's these young veterans that are getting the most fired up about this?
You've got about a minute.
Why is it I've got Army captains, I've got Army enlisted, I've got Marine Corps, I've got SEALs.
There's so many veterans that served on foreign battlefields that are now back here saying, hey, we've had a belly full of this.
What is triggering that?
unidentified
For sure.
Yeah.
And I'll tell you what, that's literally the fire inside of me outside of my own little girl.
Um, when, when Biden pulled off what he did in Afghanistan, which was the biggest embarrassment in the world to any military member, I had soldiers that were in my command in the past 10 years ago, calling me or texting me saying, we're going to burn our uniforms.
I said, don't you dare do that because when you were serving your country, you did it honorably.
Your heart was pure.
The reason why, You did what you did was because you loved your country and you're willing to die for that country.
And so don't you dare do that.
It doesn't matter who's in charge right now.
We're going to win.
Don't do that.
And so I'll tell a really quick story.
The reason why it irks me and it irks the veterans in this country, like Seth, like your daughter, like, you know, so many other people out there, officer or enlisted is because all of us have lost people we loved.
I lost, Soldiers that were in my command in Afghanistan, they died.
My best friend died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.
That's why.
They cannot have died in vain.
Our election and our votes are the most important piece of the entire country's fabric.
steve bannon
Captain, I'm going to have you back on tomorrow.
unidentified
Thank you, sir.
steve bannon
We'll see you back tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
Captain Cesaro, thank you very much.
Honored to have you on.
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