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kamala harris
Fellow Americans, good morning.
Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that instantly remind all who have lived through them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault.
Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendars, but a place in our collective memory.
December 7th, 1941.
September 11th, 2001.
And January 6th, 2021.
unidentified
Look, I think we just have to face the facts of what happened.
Draw a clear picture for the American people.
It's not about me.
It's not about the Vice President.
It really isn't.
joe biden
That's the thing that bothers me most about the sort of attitude that seems to be emerging to some degree in American politics.
unidentified
It's not about you.
It's about me.
That's how it's viewed.
But it's not about me.
It's not about whether I'm president or she's vice president.
It's about the system and about somebody who decides to put himself above everything.
joe biden
And so, but I did not want to turn it into A contemporary political battle between me and the president.
unidentified
It's way beyond that.
It's way beyond that.
Showing that your vote can make a difference, can change history, can make representation matter.
At the same time, a president, a man and his cronies, drunk with power and intent on keeping the spigot of that power open, plotted and used the frustrations, ignorance, fear, anger, bigotry of many as a fire hose to push away the election results
And there's one ABC News poll that came out recently that says just 20% of the American public across party lines is confident that our election system is a good one.
Confident in our election system.
That's an extraordinarily small number.
There's still some tinkering going on with the inaugural address, but his aides have made really clear it's not like he's trying to ignore or paper over either what happened at the Capitol two weeks ago or what we've been through throughout four years of the Trump presidency.
And the contrast on display tonight was so stark.
I mean, those lights that are just shooting out from the Lincoln Memorial along the reflecting pool, I look, it's like almost extensions of Joe Biden's arms embracing America.
It was a moment where the new president came to town and sort of convened the country in this moment of remembrance, outstretching his arms.
I do want to ask though, you know, former President Trump was supposed to have a press He didn't do it, but Steve Bannon is doing it in his place.
Mark Meadows and Steve Bannon have been held in contempt, but Steve Bannon is out there continuing to push the big lie day in and day out.
It's frustrating for the American people.
Well, it is frustrating.
And of course, more than frustrating, it's dangerous that these people continue pushing that big lie.
And no more destructive than the big liar himself, Donald Trump.
Still out there, even if he was silent this morning.
We'll be soon back issuing false statement after false statement.
I was glad Joe Biden called him out today.
I was glad that he was as forceful as he was.
We can't mince words about the danger to our democracy.
And that danger is posed by that former president and the lies that he is spewing.
So I think we saw a very powerful address by Joe Biden today.
I think it was heartening to hear that vigorous defense of democracy.
And we all ought to view this day as a day of awakening.
steve bannon
Yeah, if that's fiery, if that's the best you got, bring it.
That hapless, feckless old man wandering around there with the mask on, if that's the best you got.
Mike Allen, who's the corporate media's, the corporate oligarchy's mouthpiece here over at Axios.
Biden's fiery 2024 preview, bring it baby!
That's the best you got.
No Stephanie Ruhle, you're dead wrong.
America doesn't like it.
The numbers are coming our way, you know why?
We've got this little platform.
What do you got?
You got all the tech oligarchs, you got all the media, you got everything.
Right now, 40% of the American people, and that's including Democrats, believe he's illegitimate.
Over 50% of independents believe he's illegitimate.
Heck, they never argued about the legitimacy of Abraham Lincoln.
We've never argued about the legitimacy of a president until now.
You know why?
Let me give it to you with both barrels.
Trump won.
Biden's illegitimate.
This is a complete clown show.
You guys run around, and here's the thing.
We want you to talk about January 6th every day.
Keep talking about it.
All the polling showing people want to know about the economy, they want to know about jobs, they want to know about your hapless handling of COVID-19.
When you knew the Omicron, when some other mutation had come in September, you said, no, we don't need any testing.
We want to know about Buttigieg and around the capital city.
You can't travel, right?
Six inches of snow shuts this thing down.
You've ruined Christmas.
You've got no supply chain.
You're burning through money, and you've got to keep quantitative easing.
That's what they want to know about their jobs, their family, the southern border.
Okay?
But we want you to keep... The more you talk about 6 January, the more you talk about it, and you talk about how you stole, and you're so smug about how you stole 3 November... Did I say... Did I repeat myself?
Trump won.
Okay?
And Biden's illegitimate.
And you're just going to have to live with it.
Okay?
Because we're not backing off one inch.
And we're winning.
We're ascendant.
Now, President Trump was supposed to give a press conference right now, which he would be in full spectrum dominance.
OK, given given this hapless and we'll play some clips later.
They're winding up to the microphone and giving their remembrances.
OK, Trump would have come in.
He would have dominated.
Of course, Lindsey Graham got to him.
And for whatever reason, the president is not going to do it.
Although Mar-a-Lago would have been a global TV event.
So you're stuck with...
Stephen K. Bannon and J.D.
unidentified
Vance.
steve bannon
I'd rather get a set of steak knives.
J.D., come on.
You got Bannon and J.D.
unidentified
Vance.
You could have had Donald Trump in all his glory.
steve bannon
First off, why is Trump not doing a press conference today?
He would have been up there and completely bench-pressed.
If this is the fiery address, he didn't have the guts to say Trump's name, but he referred to him 16 times and he says, well, I didn't want to make a political issue of it.
You've got no other issue.
This is what you got, brother.
unidentified
J.D.
steve bannon
Vance.
jd vance
Yeah, man, I don't know why I didn't have a press conference.
I think it would have been a lot of fun.
I think we would have walked in there and defecated all over this entire sham trial, this sham impeachment part three.
steve bannon
You think this is impeachment part three?
jd vance
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, look, the basic problem, and this is representative of what the corporate oligarchs do in this country, Every single day is they pick your pocket with one hand and they distract you with the other hand, right?
Why are they talking about January 6th non-stop?
Because they don't want to be talking about inflation.
You mentioned the transportation crisis we have here in this city.
I've been here for four hours.
I've already seen it.
steve bannon
And at the same time... It was eight inches of snow.
jd vance
I mean, man... I think it was four feet of snow.
It's just crazy here.
But they have no solutions, no answers to the fact that they have basically plundered the greatest nation on earth for 30 and 40 years.
So they're talking about this insurrection, this fake insurrection, because they have no other thing to talk about.
And you're exactly right.
The numbers are going to keep on moving in our direction no matter how much they try to distract us, but this is the end of the Democrats' facade.
This entire thing, the idea that Joe Biden gave a fiery speech, that man has not seen fire since, I don't know when, man, but I cannot believe it.
steve bannon
Since he watched some of the things that came off the hard drive from hell, since he was a hunter, he saw the fire there.
Hold it, do we have, to back up JD's point, I want to go, do we have the Meet the Press?
Can we pull the Meet the Press clip?
Let's pull Meet the Press and I want J.D.
to comment on the on the analyst on meet the press.
chuck todd
Okay, some would say where was this before? I talked to somebody in the White House who said you know everything has a time and place and that this was the most powerful place to finally push back on a year of the former president's lies.
But I think it sort of gets to something else that President Biden also underestimated, like the rest of us.
I think he thought ignoring the former president would let him fade away.
And that has not happened.
unidentified
Yeah, there's definitely a little bit of that, Chuck, and it's really been the opposite.
I think, you know, this to me sounded like a speech that President Biden has been wanting to give for quite some time.
He had a lot pent up there that he outlined, and it was one of his most forceful speeches of his entire presidency.
And part of what the White House and the president, their calculation is, is that it's more powerful when he doesn't speak about this on a regular basis, when he's not constantly talking about his predecessor and what happened on January 6th. To him, this is something that when he comes out and he makes a statement like this, the hope is that people will sit up and listen because it's not the same noise they've been hearing from him all year long. Now the question going forward really is, did anybody listen?
You know, you see some of the polling that's out there in terms of what Americans' views of whether or not this was a legitimate election, and things aren't necessarily trending in his favor, and so did he turn anybody around?
Did he just speak to people who already believed everything that he was saying, or did he actually manage to reach some folks who might have thought otherwise and listened to his speech?
That's a real open question, but his calculation and the way that he's played this is that It's more powerful for him to say things like this when he's not saying them all the time.
steve bannon
She said the quiet part out loud.
It's not trending in his direction.
They've got MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, CBS, ABC, Twitter.
The first anniversary of Trump being kicked off Twitter is Saturday, January 8th.
They've got everything.
They have the high ground.
They have the commanding heights.
It's trending the other way.
You know, we got the War Room and a couple of other sites, right?
Of people putting their shoulder to the wall.
You know why?
The truth is winning out.
You see it going around Ohio, right?
jd vance
That's absolutely right.
I mean, look, I think people in Ohio, obviously I'm a Senate candidate in this great state of Ohio, they realize that right now we're living in a fake country with a fake Congress and a fake President.
Because in a real country, what you would be doing is dealing with the inflation crisis that we have, dealing with the supply chain crisis that we had.
If you had a January 6th commission, you know one of the first questions they'd be asking?
Why is this guy Ray Epps running around the US Capitol encouraging an incursion every 35 minutes, it seems like, the entire day leading up to it, and yet they're not asking any questions about that guy?
So instead of dealing with real problems and having a real investigation into some of the things that happened on J6, we're now focused on this ridiculous distraction where the media... You know, you remember Baghdad, Bob, Steve?
You remember this guy standing up there, the tanks are rolling into Baghdad?
He's like, we're winning the war, right?
The American tanks are rolling in.
This is what the media is right now.
Joe Biden giving a fiery speech.
J6 is the same as Pearl Harbor, 9-11.
Like, these people are so disconnected from reality, but it's obvious even as they're talking that they don't believe it.
steve bannon
Pamela Harris and Joe Biden equating Pearl Harbor, the honored dead of absolutely in the honored dead of 9-11.
Every family associated that should be furious.
The honored dead to January 6 outrageous.
We got a couple of minutes in this block.
I just saw some polling the other day that one of the reasons they're having a hard time with this and it's trending our way is that unlike the top 10 topics out there.
January 6th, pushing this democracy thing.
We've got people now showing up to volunteer for everything, but that's bad for democracy.
It's like 9th or 10th, because inflation's first, jobs are second, the economy's third, COVID, and school masks.
Is that what you see in Ohio?
jd vance
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
People are worried about real issues.
They're not worried about fake issues in the state of Ohio.
They're worried about the fact that, you know, Ohio's cold, just like D.C.' 's cold, right?
Ohio's cold in the winter.
You see energy costs going through the roof.
But it's not just the effect on consumers.
See, this is the thing I always try to remind people about, about the democratic economy.
When energy prices go up, Who benefits?
The industries that don't require energy.
Wall Street, big tech, universities.
Who gets slammed when energy prices go up?
Manufacturing, transportation logistics, truck drivers.
The Democrats are engineering an economy before our eyes that benefits their big tech allies and crushes middle-class Ohioans and nobody on their side is willing to just stare the problem in the face.
steve bannon
They're all focused on this crap.
I thought Sherrod Brown and his hand puppet, Tim Ryan, No, I thought they were... I thought they're supposed to be populist.
They keep... Sheriff Brown keeps telling me that he's a fire-breathing populist.
Is that true?
jd vance
They're supposed to be populist, man, but they're not.
They're all fake populists.
Tim Ryan cannot be bothered to talk about the energy crisis, the inflation crisis in this country right now.
Or if they talk about it at all, they blame it on fake problems instead of the fact that the Biden administration's policies just aren't working.
steve bannon
So they're all for the algorithm economy, but not for the real economy of working class people in Ohio.
Absolutely.
Okay, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're very honored we have JD Vance in for another segment.
He's in the house.
We've got Mike Lindell.
We have Dave Bossie.
Dave Bosse has got a great piece up on Fox News, Fox News opinion.
We've also have Ashley Babbitt's husband, Aaron Babbitt, and we've got Boris Epps and I to talk about redistricting and get back to reality.
But we're spending this a two-hour special.
We were gonna be covering the president, Real America's Voice, had a whole team, and a team of reporters down in Mar-a-Lago.
Didn't work out, but gosh, I really wish, as much as I love you, J.D., I do wish, as much as I love the sound of my voice, I do wish we were, President Trump would have been, would have had him on blast right now, okay, given this fiasco.
Absolutely.
Okay, short commercial break.
We'll be back in the war room.
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J.D.
steve bannon
Vance running for the Senate out in Ohio.
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Talk all about that here right after JD Vance.
Okay.
The single, we're here for this two-hour special.
We should be in Mar-a-Lago hearing Donald John Trump bench-pressing this clown show here.
But, you got a set of steak knives or you got J.D.
Vance and Bannon.
You gave a fiery speech.
You gave probably the best distillation, for somebody running, of populism, of this kind of new working class Republican Party against the corporate oligarchs.
And what these corporations have done to working class people, because obviously you wrote Hillbilly Elegies, you're a Marine, you went to Yale, you wrote this incredible best-selling book, and you gave a throwdown to where you stand and where you would stand in the United States Senate against the corporate oligarchs.
And then, shortly thereafter, is it Club for Growth?
Club for Growth came after you with a vengeance.
First off, who is Club for Growth?
Why are they sticking their nose in an Ohio primary?
And why are they going after you in particular?
jd vance
Yeah, look, I mean, my whole thing, Steve, is that we have to stop letting the combination of our corporate oligarchy and our big government take advantage of us, right?
you know, in 1943, we would not let General Electric or General Motors make airplane engines for Hitler's Nazi Germany.
And yet right now, the biggest corporations in this country are working with the Communist Chinese Party to plunder America's industrial base, to destroy the American middle class.
And at the same time, they're using technology developed in this country to censor anybody, whether it's Marjorie Taylor Greene, Donald Trump, whoever else, who dares to speak up Now that, to me, is the battle.
We have to destroy that.
We can't just talk about it.
We have to stop giving corporate tax cuts to companies that literally hate us, that ship American jobs overseas, and censor middle class conservatives.
We should be cutting the taxes of businesses creating jobs here in this country.
Now, you, I guarantee it, pay a higher tax rate than Google.
Middle-class Ohio manufacturer pays a higher tax rate than Amazon.
That is bogus.
It doesn't make sense, especially when these companies are working to destroy the traditional American nation.
Now, Club for Growth doesn't like that, right?
Now, granted, I gave them some ammunition because I, as you know, I was not an early Trump guy.
Trump convinced me because he was a great president and a great leader for this country.
steve bannon
So the same group club for growth. I think it's pretty impressive because you saw Trump in action. You didn't support him. That's very obvious. And he said some things about him. But hey, that was years ago.
And then we saw him in action because I remember you came and saw me quite early. That's right.
And we went through the policies and you know, you're a guy that's pretty reflective. And then you went all in for Trump very early. Absolutely.
jd vance
Absolutely.
steve bannon
And you're very close to a guy, Peter Thiel, who's one of the closest guys we had, quite frankly, in 16.
Very difficult for us to win without Peter.
Peter sent Blake Masters and the team up to help.
If Peter had had runway, and if we had had enough muscle in 16, which we didn't, Fauci and Collins wouldn't have been there.
He wanted to take on the entire... The administrative state was his baby.
That's what they wanted to do.
jd vance
That's absolutely right.
And the same policies that I have put forward, tariffs on China so that we can bring more American manufacturing back to this country, employ a lot of middle-class workers, those are the same policies the Club for Growth opposed during Donald Trump's presidencies.
It's also why they spent $11 million against Donald Trump in 2016.
So they're spending millions of dollars.
If you live in Ohio and you've seen an attack ad against me for what I said five or six years ago, it is being paid.
I call them the Club for Chinese Growth because they care about China more than they care about the United States.
It's being paid for by the same organization that tried to take down Donald Trump in 2016.
And the reason is because I actually agree with him on the policies and I'm actually going to fight for those policies when I'm elected to the U.S.
Senate for the people of Ohio.
I am done letting this country be taken advantage of By corporations and government bureaucrats who have gained wealth and power at the expense of traditional Americans.
I'm sick of it.
And our public policy has to wake the hell up to the fact that the very countries that have benefited, excuse me, the very companies that have benefited from this country are now tearing it down because they think they can make a quick buck in China.
steve bannon
By the way, they all back the Democrats.
So tell me, Mitch McConnell is at least the leader now.
Walk me through, in Mitch McConnell's U.S.
Senate, how are you going to do that?
jd vance
Look, man, it's hard because it's not just the leadership of this party.
You know this as well as anybody.
It is the membership up and down, and it's not even just in the Congress.
The thing that I've realized about D.C.
in the last few years, I would not have known, you probably appreciate this, is that so much of the public policy in this country On the right, by Republicans, is made by people who hate Republican voters.
So most congressmen, most senators don't know what they're doing, right?
So they get their talking points from lobbyists and from think tanks that push an actively globalist agenda on this country.
And I've had crazy experiences like a couple months ago.
I'll tell you a story.
A couple months ago, I encouraged Senate Republicans to shut down the government to fight against Biden's vaccine mandates.
I think I was the first person to say that.
A bunch of people came along.
I got a call from a U.S.
Senator that I've never spoken to before in my life.
He asked me for 10 minutes what it would look like, the political ups and downs.
I was like, you really need to do this.
And at the end of the call, he said, you know what?
I don't think I'm going to do it.
Oh, by the way, please don't tell leadership we had this call.
If we've got members who are too cowardly to stand up for their own voters, we're going to have serious problems.
That's why I'm running.
I don't want to be, and I'm not going to be, that kind of a member.
I'm not going to be that kind of leader for our country.
steve bannon
So Josh Hawley's endorsed you, and Josh is probably also another one I would call the public intellectual populist.
But walk us through how you got Mitch McConnell's all about the donors.
He represents the donors, not the Republican that particularly the new Republican Party that's coming together and people that would be attracted to what you're saying, right?
Old independents are working class Democrats that can't go along with the cultural Marxism.
jd vance
of the modern democratic party right i can i come from a family that hard core trumpeter because i was a they're not gonna put up with this nonsense about this cultural marxism so what what are you and holly gonna do one out of look one out of a hundred senators obviously you're just one out of a hundred but i think that if we get five ten legitimately good guys you know blake masters is running arizona always a great guy who got a couple of his incentive you don't need thirty excellent republican senators you probably need five or ten
to really shift the center of the gravity of the party.
I don't think you can do it with just one.
But think about just the big tech issue, man.
Think about where we were on the big tech question in the Republican Party.
We were basically in bed with them five years ago.
Hawley, by himself, has basically shifted us in a pro-direction.
You know, you get a few more guys who are really fighting for their actual voters.
steve bannon
Can you do this with Mitch McConnell as the leader?
And are you prepared?
My thesis is, no one's going to win the Republican primary in Ohio that's prepared to back Mitch McConnell.
We had Kennedy on the other day, who would not answer the question directly, but that's fine.
I get that all the time.
I get that all the time.
I don't want to mention any names.
Would you vote, if you're elected, would you vote for Mitch McConnell for leader?
jd vance
Look, man, I've been the only person in the Ohio Senate race who's actually been willing to criticize leadership, and I just did, you know, and I'll continue to criticize leadership when I think that they're wrong, but I do think we've got a ground-up problem as much as we got a top-down problem.
That's my view.
steve bannon
What do you mean, ground up?
jd vance
Unless you fix the membership, and it doesn't matter if it's Mitch McConnell, it doesn't matter if it's Mitt Romney, it doesn't matter if it's Josh Hawley, who's the leader of the U.S.
Senate, if you've got guys calling a Senate candidate in Ohio saying, I want to do something but I'm not going to do it because I'm too afraid of leadership, you're not going to fix the problem.
I think it's a membership problem as much as it's a leadership problem.
steve bannon
How do you get people over, one of the comments I hear a lot is that, hey, I like the cut of this guy's job, I like the fact of his service, I like he's smart, he's written, I love what he says.
I love the speeches.
But are we setting ourselves up for another Ben Sasse?
Is this a guy that people loved Sasse when he ran?
I mean, I was a Breitbart, you know, Charlie Hurt myself.
He was a drudge at the time.
We were all for Sasse and then we saw his true colors.
How do you convince people, hey, I'm really J.D.
Vance, that guy from Hillbilly Elegies.
I'm not a guy, I'm not really a Ben Sasse in the making.
I'm going to say one thing and I'm going to get here and turn the other way.
jd vance
Yeah, I mean, I think you've got to judge people by their friends, but also by their enemies.
So I've got some good endorsers, and I think we're going to have some really good ones coming down the pike in the next couple of months, too.
But look, the media never hated Ben Sasse in the way that they hate me, right?
Like, I think of all the candidates, if I can be so bold, man... Because you think they're afraid of what you'll do?
I think they're afraid of what I'm going to do.
steve bannon
The corporate media hates you?
jd vance
The corporate media writes more negative stories about me than any other candidate running for office in this country.
steve bannon
How are you going to push back on the people in Ohio?
Because the Club for Growth has clearly been so much money that they've dropped on your head.
How are you going to confront them head-on, and how are you going to convince people in Ohio, hey, in order to fight Sheridan Brown, to fight Tim Ryan, to fight the apparatus you've got here, you've got to be able to take the Club for Growth on in Ohio.
How are you going to do it?
jd vance
Man, you just got to be honest.
I mean, I think voters, something I've learned being in politics for all six months is our consultants and our leaders think that our voters are actually stupid.
They're actually smart.
They pay attention.
They read between the lines.
I just got to be honest.
Like, look, man, if you see that TV advertisement, think about where it's coming from.
Think about the source of the money.
And most importantly, judge me on what I'm actually saying and what I'm actually doing, right?
Because at the end of the day, that's who I'm going to be in the U.S.
Senate.
So I just think you've got to level with voters, and we've already seen both in our poll numbers, but also just the response from people out on the road.
Like, they know that I criticized Trump six years ago, right?
They know that the Club for Growth is dropping millions of dollars on my head.
They also think I'm the only guy who's actually going to stand up for China, or stand up to China, and actually fight against some of these enemies of our country.
steve bannon
How do people get to know you better?
How do they follow you on social media, and how do they get to the campaign website?
jd vance
Yeah, so I'm on Twitter, JDVance1, at least until I get banned, on Facebook and all the other social media channels.
JDVance.com if people want to volunteer for the campaign, throw some resources.
I have been, by the way, Steve, the best candidate in this race of small-dollar donors.
Like, middle-class Ohioans are excited about this campaign.
I'm very proud of that.
steve bannon
Are you taking corporate PAC money?
jd vance
Not yet.
And we haven't taken any yet.
steve bannon
How are you going to beat... Sorry, I'm not going to take corporate PAC money.
In 15 seconds, how are you going to beat Tim Ryan?
jd vance
Look, man, he's a fake populist.
Working-class voters don't just need somebody who's going to support a government check for them.
In fact, they want jobs.
They don't want government checks.
But if you're not defending people's values... They don't want tip money from the government.
steve bannon
Exactly.
They want a job and they want a career.
jd vance
Absolutely.
But Tim Ryan is pro-government checks and he's pro-destroying the values that made this country great.
steve bannon
Okay, J.D.
Vance, one more time.
Social media, how do people follow you?
unidentified
J.D.
jd vance
Vance went on Twitter, J.D.
Vance on Facebook, and jdvance.com.
That's my website.
steve bannon
Okay.
We're gonna take a short commercial.
We want to thank J.D.
Vance for bailing us out here.
We're supposed to be watching Donald J. Trump.
Unfortunately, we got banned in advance.
Okay, short commercial break.
Mike Lindell with us next in The War Room.
unidentified
Thanks, man.
War Room.
mike lindell
Pandemic.
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The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
mike lindell
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, the betting sale now at MyPillow.com has started early.
Go to promo code... Oh my gosh, I've got Mike Lindell here.
Why would I... Mike Lindell, how you doing, brother?
mike lindell
I'm doing great.
I've been busy.
I'm not dressed in a suit today, everybody.
I'm traveling around.
steve bannon
This is amazing.
We're seeing the working man, Mike Lindell.
This is how you go around the factory and see everything made.
I'm always uncomfortable when I see you're in a coat and tie all the time.
I always feel uncomfortable with that.
I like it better when you're back down to your working class, your working class roots.
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Right.
mike lindell
Well, you know, I didn't wear a suit and tie for years and years and years.
In fact, if you had a tie on, I was kind of intimidated going, you know, and now I got to wear them all the time.
So it's quite a switch.
steve bannon
Listen, right now, I think there's some B-roll.
You know, President Trump, and I really appreciate, J.D.
Vance was in town seeing people, and we really wanted to get J.D.
in here.
J.D.
came, and we got, and Mike Lindell.
We were supposed to do this entire first hour.
Real America's Voice had an entire thing set up for President Trump was going to do his press conference today, and just do a full beatdown on this nonsense from Joe Biden, and hear this Joe Biden thing.
This is outside, I think it's outside of Mar-a-Lago right now.
It's down in Florida.
Look at that.
Joe Biden can't get the...
Look at that. I want the audience.
And for our podcast audience, it's stunning.
It's a couple of people deep and it goes for miles and miles and miles.
This is just Donald Trump driving by.
Here's my point.
You look at the numbers.
He's up five on Biden.
What is Merrick Garland going to do?
Merrick Garland's going to go after a guy.
You're telling me Merrick Garland's going to go after a guy that is up five to eight points on Biden right now?
Biden's sinking like a stone and it only gets worse from here.
This is a disaster.
Biden's lied to the country, lied about, he looked people in the eye and lied about the testing, that they knew the Omicron kind of mutations were going to start coming, okay, and in September they decided not to do it.
So he was too incompetent they didn't include him in the decision, which could happen because he doesn't make a lot of decisions over there, they just make them and he wanders around.
Or, he made it, doesn't remember it, and lied to the American people.
My point is, he's sinking like a stone.
These are the worst numbers in the first year of a presidency in American history.
And I throw, even though they didn't do a lot of polling back then, I would throw James Buchanan into that match.
So, Mike, I really want to thank you.
Before we get started, because I know there's opinion on doing everything, and I know you've got a lot of thoughts on, you've spent, I saw an article, we put it up the other day, $25 million out of your own pocket.
to get to the bottom of 3 November.
You had a very powerful thing the other day about this being a spiritual war at the end of the day.
Walk us through your thinking about that.
Are we at war?
Is this a spiritual war in this country?
I know you and I, you know, are on and we were talking about this state and, you know, ballots here and machines there and all the stuff.
But at the end of the day, is this something at a greater and higher level, Mike Lindell?
mike lindell
A hundred percent.
This is if we don't.
To me, it was You know, this is, it's been a big, it's been all in God's timing.
It's been because everything that's happened, it had to all get revealed before we could have this great uniting and this revival.
People don't look for, they don't look for hope or look to reach out for help unless things are going bad.
And right now, you know, this spiritual battle, it's historical.
It's of historical proportion.
If you look at all the things that line up, uh, from when I remember Steve, when I first went on at the Rose Garden and said, a nation had turned on his back on God.
Uh, we, we, I said, we got to spend time in the words, spend time with our families, spend time in the Bible.
And from that moment moment on, I mean, everything got flipped on its head from this China virus and the, and the, the biggest crime ever with the election and all these things happening.
And now the stuff that's manifested from that, it's just all this evil.
I mean, stuff that doesn't make sense.
You've got an administration in there that you are just saying, oh, this president of the lowest race, he's not president.
You're not president if you got there because of a complete fraudulent election.
This is a spiritual battle because you can just see evil rising in its head.
Isn't this something right now on this anniversary of January 6th?
All the evil rising up again.
All the media is bringing all these things out there and it is We're in the greatest time ever to be alive.
steve bannon
But hang on, before we get to that, the media, when they say about the evil, they say that it is Donald Trump and his evil minions, Mike Lindell, Steve Bannon, and others that are the cause of that evil.
What say you, Mike Lindell?
mike lindell
Well, it's, you know, I think it's in the Bible, you know, where they say all of a sudden you get to end times where evil becomes good, and they say, good is evil.
I mean, this is the game that evil does, that they're playing, is going, okay, this is, when they tell you something that's fake news, it's true.
I mean, it's like everything is flipped on its head.
It's like when you have someone accusing somebody of cheating, they're usually the cheater, you know, if they're cheating.
I mean, they're calling us that because that's exactly what they did.
They're the ones that, you know, that went out and stole this election and are doing all these things that you can't explain because there's no common sense to it.
And that's what they've done.
When you can't explain anything, like, why are they doing this?
Why are they doing this?
And it doesn't help anyone.
Well, you know, there's another, there's a hidden agenda.
And they've been trying this now for, you know, what you look at this, Steve, when you take all the people like physicists, like Dr. Doug Frank, people like Dr. Shiva, and all these different people, myself, yourself, I was never even into politics.
I was, I was an ex crack cocaine addict, an ex addict.
No, we want to save our country.
We care about our country.
of a pillow company and all of a sudden that all of us just changed overnight for all these conspiracy guides and we're all doing these things.
No, we wanna save our country.
We wanna, you know, we care about our country.
We care about people, all people, if anyone, These great things that's going on now is people are seeing through the evil.
People are just pouring over here.
They're pouring, going, well, their eyes are getting opened up.
God has to put, I've got to say, well, you prayed.
Some guy put on my Facebook this morning.
Oh, you prayed for this election, the last election.
It didn't come true.
Where's your God on that?
Well, if God's letting all this happen to get more people to open their eyes, I think it's a good thing when you have more and more people coming to the Lord so that when they get to eternity, this is about eternity.
It's not, you know, the time we're spending here.
We're part of a whole bigger, bigger purpose that God's using us, you know, all these people out there as tools to get the other people, you know, to be in this biggest, greatest revival ever.
steve bannon
Why did you say this is the greatest time to be alive?
Before I cut you off a few minutes ago, you said this is a great time to be alive.
mike lindell
It's the greatest time ever, everybody.
I mean, this is historical.
All this stuff is being revealed.
We have all the pieces to this massive puzzle to put it all in the right places, to get to a better place for everybody, not just here, but the world.
Think if we did have all those pieces, where we'd be?
To me, it's the greatest time because we are in the greatest revival ever.
It's going to be a great uniting once again.
We'll be one nation under God.
It's a uniting of the people.
Evil reared its head.
I mean, everywhere.
You know, when you go back to a nice home state of Minnesota a year and a half ago when they're burning up the city and places where I grew up and burning it down, evil just rising up, whether it's politicians making bad decisions or people raising its head.
And that's what happened.
We are part of it, all of us out there.
Everybody's got a calling, and this calling, this is no better time to evangelize right now than any other time, and to bring our country to the great place it's going to get to.
Steve, right now, my Lindale Recovery Network, if anybody out there right now can't go out and evangelize to somebody that's got problems or an addiction or whatever, this is the perfect time to do it because they're looking for hope.
steve bannon
Mike, CNBC's reporting that you spent $25 million on trying to prove different aspects of voter fraud.
If that's the case, Because right now, you're not the Supreme Court, you haven't really overturned any states, although in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Georgia and Arizona, they're making progress in the state legislature through the courts.
Would that money have not been better spent to put in back religious organizations, to evangelize the Word of Christ, or into your recovery network to help addicts, or just in grassroots organizations to help them grow?
Do you think the $25 million, as reported by CNBC, It's the best.
mike lindell
It's the best spent money I've ever spent.
And they also asked me, well, what are you going to do if you run out of money?
I'd say borrow more.
Spend every dime until it's because, Steve, if we don't correct 2020, if we don't correct this, that election and what went wrong for 2022, it's over.
That's why I encourage everybody out there.
The churches need to get involved.
They need to start.
You know, it's like when you're going to save your courage and your and for a rainy day.
Well, it's pouring outside.
Right now, there is no other time in history where you need to get out and speak out and not have fear.
Because if this all goes away, if I wouldn't have spent any money and just been like, oh, you know what?
This stuff that was brought to me, I'm just going to sit on it.
I'm going to pray.
Prayer is a great thing when you're praying.
But also, if you're called to act on that and to God working through you, you need to get out and do it.
Every dime of that, every single dime I've spent, and I'm still burning through millions of dollars.
It doesn't matter.
I have a big platform God's given me, and I'm speaking out, and we're going to keep speaking out.
If everybody knew, if I had 10 hours here to tell everybody all the great things going on out there, and that this is manifested for everybody doing their part, It's amazing.
We're in the best place, Steve.
We've been in since November 3rd, by far.
We're in a great place today.
Every day is better and better and better.
Look at the other day when Georgia, Brad Rasenberger of all people, now he's going to finally say, wow, look at the, look at, we have fraud here in Georgia.
What a concept.
Hang on.
You know, these things are coming to light.
You just don't hear about them, everybody.
That's why the war room is so important.
Frank's speech is so important.
Anybody out there that's speaking out, if you're out there and you're on your podcast and you're on Facebook or Twitter or Getter or whatever, you guys just keep speaking it out.
Especially those platforms.
You'll lose them.
steve bannon
We've got a minute and a half in this segment.
I just want to go back.
Why, in a minute and a half, 90 seconds, why is it so important that you put all your cash and all your worth into finding out about 3 November?
Why is 3 November and getting to the bottom of that so important, Mike Lindell?
mike lindell
Because, let me tell you something, everybody.
The world we're living in, with computers and machines, when you get attacked, when you get hacked, And it just becomes, it's all about money.
If your credit cards get hacked, or your computer, or your phone, or whatever it is, and it gets hacked, It just, you can replace it all with money.
But when you hack and steal an election, it's over.
You lose all your freedoms, you lose all your Constitution, your First Amendment right to free speech.
That's been the first thing to go, everybody.
And I will tell you this, I'll tell you a little tidbit.
I was over in Utah talking to them the other day.
And guess what?
In Utah, they did a pilot program where you would email in your vote or text message in your vote.
This is what this is going on.
All you got to do is look over in Australia and see what it's manifested to.
The horrific things.
If your election's stalled, this isn't about a Democrat or Republican thing anymore, everybody.
This is about what's going on.
If we have machines or computers or anything done with the 2022 election, it's over.
It's over.
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That's it.
steve bannon
Mike Lindell, hang with us for a couple of minutes.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
When we return, we have the armor-piercing shell that is Mike Lindell.
CNBC reports he's put $25 million of his own money into finding out what happened on November 3rd and holding people accountable.
As he says, he'll spend it more right now.
And if he runs around, he'll borrow money.
He's all in on this fight, which at the end of the day is about spiritual warfare.
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steve bannon
The first anniversary on Saturday.
We're having a special.
Tonight's the special on 6th January.
We're supposed to have President Trump's live press conference.
We do understand from our field reporters, Real America's Voice, this massive crowd that's down there in Mar-a-Lago.
If President Trump addresses the crowd, we're going to go live to there directly.
So, Real America's Voice on it.
We will cut there directly.
On Saturday, I want to give a heads up.
We're doing the first anniversary of the tech oligarch shutting down Donald J. Trump.
And so we're going to have a power lineup on there to go through it.
Mike Lindell's been fighting that fight.
That's where he set up Lindell TV, right?
And it's been, in Frank's speech, it's been incredible.
Mike, the headlines, screaming headlines today.
First of all, they're subpoenaing you, they're trying to do this, but are you suing Nancy Pelosi?
Because everybody in this town, all their heads are blown up.
Mike Lindell's on offense.
What's going on?
mike lindell
I always am on offense.
I mean, you said that that's what I've been doing since January 9th with the first piece of that evidence brought to me.
But yeah, when I got subpoenaed, I guess it came from Verizon, said they want your phone records for November, December, and part of January.
I'm going, ah, that ain't happening.
So I got my lawyers together, a bunch of them, and said, OK, now I want you to put this here.
It's got to be illegal, this corrupt subpoena.
So what we did is we turned around and went after them.
We filed a complaint for declaratory and injunctive release against the whole January 6th committee.
And we threw Verizon in there, too, for good luck.
Remember, Verizon cut me off at Frank's speech not to be able to text message.
I mean, you just wonder where all this garbage ends, everybody.
Where evil ends and where good begins.
It's just disgusting.
It's only going to stop when we make them stop.
steve bannon
Otherwise, if you curl up in a ball, you're going to be like a Russian surf.
They're shutting everybody of the guys over the Jim Hoff the twins Jim and Joe Hoff they're cutting them off They can't you can't forward theirs. I think it's off horizon It's only going to stop when we make them stop otherwise if you curl up in a ball They're just gonna run you there. You're gonna be like a surf a Russian surf. That's why Mike Lindell This guy right here is a fighter By the way, Biden wouldn't be in the tank.
He wouldn't be exposed as illegitimate.
What did Lindell brace me up in the first 60 seconds of this thing?
Hey, Bannon, what the heck are you calling him president for?
He ain't president.
Okay?
Mike Lindell's an OG and original.
He's an original gangster on this.
You're not going to back off Mike Lindell.
Trump won.
Biden's illegitimate.
And the American people, we had the MSNBC correspondent, she's sitting there with big crocodile tears.
Well, you know, it's really heading the other way.
Yeah, you're damn right it's headed the other way, because the American people understand what the truth is.
And Mike Lindell has put body, soul, his company, everything on it.
He's being sued by everybody and hell's half acre.
Plus, he's put $25 million of his own cash and still burn it.
Lindell, are you going to give up?
Are you going to quit at all?
Are you going to stop?
mike lindell
Must be that.
And I said, you know, they said, what if you run out of money?
I said, I'll borrow more.
I'll borrow more.
I'll mortgage out everything I have.
Because you know what?
We are starting to see so much fruits of what we've been doing.
I want to tell everyone out there, Steve, you know, next week, I'm going to be in Arizona at that big rally there.
And this weekend, I'm speaking in Florida at the Renewal, by the way, too.
And everyone that's worked so hard out there, every single thing that's been done, none of it's in vain.
I'm telling you right now, it's all gonna come to a beautiful place.
It's gonna manifest and it already is.
We get through this.
There's gonna be so, not just the election cleaned up, but so many other things we've learned.
Things that don't make sense.
I take the vaccine.
And all of a sudden I care what other people, whether they take it or not, or how about how dumb is this?
If you already have the antibodies, why would you ever take anything ever?
You know?
I mean, there's so many things that just don't make sense, which everybody is opening people's eyes.
And you know what?
Democrats now, Steve, almost 40% now believe this election was stole.
You know, it's just more and more people coming over and saying it was because why?
Because their eyes are getting opened up.
They almost had it because they took away all communication.
That's why when you have your getters, your frank speeches, your gabs, all these other platforms that have rose up so we could all communicate together.
You guys, I said it before, is it goes back to a hair commercial back in the day where they said, and then they tell two friends and they tell two friends and so on and so on.
When social media came out and larger media, mainstream media, but I mean, just all podcasts and stuff.
When that expanded, it was you tell five friends, HL 500, HL 50,000, HL 500,000, HL 5 million.
They took that all away a year ago.
A year ago, they silenced everybody.
They took away the president's Twitter.
They took away mine, my pillow's Twitter.
They silenced everybody on Facebook.
They're still trying to do that today.
That was their main objective.
If we put everybody into fear and take away all their places where they can speak, it's over for them.
Well, you know what?
We came back strong.
That's where so much money I poured into.
Here's a platform God has given me with my pillow, but that was to be used for a greater purpose.
To be able to speak out, like War Room, And everything else out there.
Now we're getting back to where we tell five friends, they tell 500, getting back to where we were before this.
But you know what?
We need all of you out there to do it.
So every day, there's so many that watch your show, Steve, and what you're praying speech.
And what happens is, your action item should be, go tell everyone to come here.
Watch the war room, watch Frank's speech.
Get on Getter, get on these platforms and tell everybody.
Get to your email list and tell people, tell them the good news.
You can go over to Frank's speech, go to Cause of America, go there and you can see every single thing that's going on in all the states right now.
All the great things that are going on.
It'll bring you hope and hope brings hope.
Hope manifests to hope.
We're going to get back to a great place.
I'm excited.
I'm excited.
steve bannon
I couldn't tell that, Mike.
By the way, this is why we love you, brother.
You're a fighter.
We gotta bounce.
Your show's at 7 o'clock Eastern Time every night on Frank's Beach.
You're doing the Lord's work.
When we get up about where you're speaking, you're gonna be on the 15th of January out in Arizona.
We love you, brother.
Don't ever stop, and don't ever stop to fight.
Mike Lindell, the armor-piercing shell.
Sir, thank you very much.
mike lindell
God bless y'all.
See ya.
steve bannon
God bless you.
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