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Episode 1,359 – Dr. Fauci And The Global Revolt Against Vaccine Mandates pt. 2Episode 1,359 – Dr. Fauci And The Global Revolt Against Vaccine Mandates pt. 2
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unidentified
Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
anthony fauci
You don't want to frighten the American public.
unidentified
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
anthony fauci
This is going to be a real serious problem.
unidentified
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
anthony fauci
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, you've had, what, Delta, Southwest Airlines has backed off of this.
I think FedEx, all the pilots, you know, up to a third to 40% of the pilots you got in Los Angeles County.
I think 40% of the firemen.
You've got, what, 30% to 40% of the police officers in Chicago.
It's worse.
The post office has a blanket exemption because we're told if the post office didn't have that, you'd have 6% or 7% of the postal workers wouldn't work.
So there's been a lot of resistance here.
They didn't Count on.
It's had a dramatic impact on the American economy, particularly in the logistics.
And this is one of the reasons the economy is imploding.
This is the Biden's, you know, he and Buttigieg didn't think this through.
peter navarro
But what is, since you two have been... Buttigieg, by the way, was missing in action.
He deserted the ship.
That guy ought to be court-martialed for leaving.
steve bannon
You two were at the forefront of warning people How bad this is going to be, and what it's going to be.
Everything from the virus itself, to the vaccines, to the vaccine control, and the passports.
So the question is, and we only got you for one more segment.
Dr. Wolf's got to catch a train out of here.
Walk me through the path out of here.
For the American, for the boardroom posse, who's trying to think downrange on their business, on their personal life, on their children's life, politically.
Let's start with Dr. Wolf, and then we'll go to Navarro.
What is the path out of here?
naomi wolf
So there are three things and based on history.
One of them is I am a classical liberal, but I'm really rethinking the Second Amendment because the only thing that is different about us from Australia is that we have a Second Amendment.
So I would definitely say don't give up the Second Amendment and I'm a peaceful person and I'm seeing that peacefully all protest has to be peaceful, but We've officially driven Dr. Naomi Wolf over the edge.
steve bannon
You've got to replay that for a second.
naomi wolf
I really don't want this to be misconstrued.
peter navarro
We absolutely have to be peaceful.
There's a liberal who's been forced to get a vaccination.
naomi wolf
That's really funny.
steve bannon
Wow, that's a good line.
naomi wolf
No, but I really don't want this to be misconstrued.
We absolutely have to be peaceful.
I'm a non-violent person, but I just, you know, Australia has to be a warning, alert for all of us in the West.
peter navarro
I can't tell you how shocked I was at what happened in Australia because those are tough, rugged, independent people under siege from the Chinese Communist Party and that their own police force Would basically be every bit as jackbooted as those Chinese Communist Party people who took down Hong Kong.
I was stunned by that.
I'm still stunned by that.
steve bannon
I've already got the headline of Media Matters.
Naomi Wolf, her first solution for the path out.
peter navarro
Second Amendment.
steve bannon
Arms.
Naomi Wolf, the most peaceful person in the world.
naomi wolf
Please don't take it out of context.
unidentified
Go get a gun.
naomi wolf
Don't take it out of context.
I'm just, like, I am aware.
steve bannon
Can I throw out, isn't your husband in the Army Special Forces?
naomi wolf
Former special forces.
steve bannon
Okay, just seriously, Second Amendment.
naomi wolf
But I do think for myself.
steve bannon
Okay, hold it.
Second Amendment is first.
naomi wolf
So more importantly, we have to end the fear of each other.
This is so crucial.
I was taught that you are the scariest person in the world and you're the scariest person in the world.
But there's something much and you probably were taught that people like me are nonsensical.
But there's something much scarier than the divisions between us.
And that is what is in store for us by these overlords and masters who are planning to turn us into China.
So we have to unite across left and right.
We can have our arguments, we can have our debates, but we have to unite to defend our constitution.
Practically, two more things you can do.
On November 3rd, CHD and a bunch of partners, including nurses, firefighters, police officers, veterans, parents, are doing a sit-out where you just don't go to work.
And history shows that, like with the Southwest Airlines pilots, when you refuse business as usual— Ho, ho, ho.
steve bannon
Are you calling—in Europe, they would call this a general strike.
Are you calling for a general strike on the 3rd of November, the one-year anniversary of the election?
Is this group calling for a general strike?
naomi wolf
I mean, I don't want to speak for them, and I totally don't want to politicize it.
Totally don't want to politicize.
But I think it's very important if you look at Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia... What's a sit-out?
They're just calling on people not to go to work on November 3rd.
steve bannon
That's a general strike.
naomi wolf
You can call it that.
They're calling it, you know, mass movement to just not go to work.
And I think their goal is to force, and this is taken from ACT UP, very successful, to say to Biden and the head of OSHA, we are not going to go, we're not going to stop disrupting business as usual until you sit down and negotiate a religious exemption for everyone, or a medical exemption.
peter navarro
Ask them not to go to work and to stay off social media.
naomi wolf
That's a very good suggestion.
peter navarro
Okay?
naomi wolf
Yeah.
peter navarro
Just boycott Facebook, Twitter, Google.
steve bannon
Just don't let them harvest your data that day.
naomi wolf
You know, harvesting the data that day.
And then lastly, I think there have to be investigations.
I keep saying the data are corrupt.
The data are corrupt.
There's a group called StandForHealthFreedom.com.
I've spoken about them before.
And they're teaching state senators to call for grand jury investigations to Look at CDC's reporting of the data and what they're finding is an overcount.
They're finding that the CDC changed the definition how you enter a death from COVID and moved it to the final line in the death report and so they're finding like a 20% overcount.
steve bannon
Do you believe that people in the administrative state, in CDC, public servants who have dedicated their lives to these health emergencies, do you think that they would actually go in and manipulate the data to have this pandemic be more, be scarier than it maybe actually is?
naomi wolf
I mean...
Totally.
I mean, can I just say, this is not unusual.
peter navarro
She doesn't have to conjecture on this.
I saw this in the White House.
unidentified
Right.
naomi wolf
I mean, this is business as usual.
I saw this in the White House.
I was an advisor.
peter navarro
They do that.
CCC has no credibility anymore.
They've smashed their credibility.
naomi wolf
They cherry pick.
They're cherry picking the science.
They're cherry picking how they, I mean, look at Dr. Fauci.
Look at what Rochelle Walensky says.
They imply that you're dangerous to other people if you're unvaccinated.
And there's no evidence for that.
and that is the basis of the whole vaccine passport rollout, is that the unvaccinated are dangerous too.
There's no science for that.
And I was an advisor to the Gore campaign and to the Clinton reelection.
It's standard for the State Department and the message shop to cherry pick information, Intel, like we know about this, Yellow Cake, it's absolutely, you know about this.
It's every administration cherry picks the data to help them tell their story.
So CDC has been cherry picking and misrepresenting the data quite significantly and absolutely there should be a federal grand jury investigation and they should be called to account for how they've been reporting the data and contracting it out to third parties.
steve bannon
I need to get these people on the show, the Stanford Federal Grand Jury, you.
peter navarro
So, Steve, the question is, what's the path out?
Humbly, this book is the path out because the epilogue really, in some senses, is the most important because it does lay out the strategy and the path forward.
But in order to get to that, I think what's important As you've said many times on the show, we need to get to the bottom of what happened on November 3rd.
That election was stolen, we need to find out who did it, and why, and we need to make that right.
steve bannon
Why does that have anything to do with the public health emergency?
peter navarro
Because the whole election process was predicated on the notion of blaming President Trump For the pandemic rather than communist China and that set in motion a set of narratives and strategies which we are embracing today and the Biden regime and Fauci feel compelled to double and triple down.
steve bannon
I just want to go back something one thing.
unidentified
Let me finish.
steve bannon
Hang on.
I will go back because you and I can spend time after we leave sir.
We got five minutes left.
Are we, according to you and your independent assessments, are we currently in a public health emergency or not?
You first.
peter navarro
I believe we are, but not in the sense that, not, no, not in that sense.
We are in a public health emergency because the Fauci-ites are adopting policies which are going to kill Americans.
unidentified
Oh wow.
peter navarro
Two ways.
steve bannon
You're saying for the vaccines.
peter navarro
The universal vax policy.
unidentified
Wow.
peter navarro
will kill Americans and the suppression of continued suppression of hydroxychloroquine ivermectin and therapeutics as the rational way to protect people.
steve bannon
You think the over vaccination, the vaccination of the people that should not be vaccinated, the non-targeted, the non-targeted segments, you think that's a public health emergency?
peter navarro
Dr. Malone does, the inventor of the RNA technology.
I do.
And we've made the argument twice in the best paper in this town, the Washington Times, that if you go to universal vax, you remember the vax is a limited number, small number of spike proteins.
It gives you a very narrow set of immunities.
And if you universally vaccinate everyone and the virus mutates to attack the vaccinated, Then you can wipe out the human races of everybody's vaccines.
It's very, very dangerous, okay?
And if anybody thinks I'm crazy, just remember what's happening with superbugs and antibiotics, okay?
But the other part of that, Steve, why it's a public health emergency, is we continue to suppress the use of therapeutics.
Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
If you gave everybody the bug, if you gave everybody the virus, treated them with hydroxy and ivermectin, they got like a mild case, what would you have?
Two words.
naomi wolf
Herd immunity.
peter navarro
Thank you.
Thank you.
Now why do you know that and Fauci and Biden don't, okay?
That came out of your mouth in a nanosecond, okay?
The Swedes understand that.
So this is the public health emergency.
We started with a public health emergency and now this has morphed into a very different public health emergency with an overlay.
unidentified
Well, I agree with what he just said in terms of redefining the public health emergency.
naomi wolf
Throw in the rise in obesity.
Throw in deaths of despair.
Throw in opioid addiction.
steve bannon
Let me say one thing.
The Surgeon General a month ago said the new public health emergency around this is misinformation.
And you're one of the problems because you're misinformation.
You say it's a vaccine passport is a control mechanism.
Who's right?
naomi wolf
Well, in a free society, information is never a public health emergency.
It's just information, true or not, and we have a First Amendment.
steve bannon
Do you think that's a little over the top for the Surgeon General?
naomi wolf
I think it's worse than that.
I think it's setting people like me and other people who've been critical of this up to be criminalized.
peter navarro
The easy answer here is that it is misinformation, but not from us.
It's from them.
Full stop.
The misinformation is coming from Fauci, the CDC, the FDA, the National Institutes of Health, and on down.
steve bannon
What do you mean the criminalization?
You mean you, Malone, Robert Kennedy Jr.?
You think you're being othered right now to be set up later for this administration to come after you?
naomi wolf
I mean, look what's happening.
You know, the President and Psaki identified American Citizens as the Dirty Dozen, guilty of misinformation.
I was just interviewed by Evgenia Peretz, a Vanity Fair reporter, in which she tried to rope me into being one of those anti-vaxxers in this article in spite of my saying I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm not an anti-vaxxer.
So I'll be guilty of, and Twitter claimed I was guilty of misinformation after I reported on Dr. Fauci's funding of gain-of-function research.
peter navarro
Twitter was the same one that said it wasn't from the lab, right?
They wouldn't let people say it was from the lab.
steve bannon
What they're trying to do is take two people who are not anti-vaxxers.
In fact, you're one of the fathers of this vaccine and working to follow the vaccine with President Trump.
You're one of the workers that got it done.
You've never been anti-vaxxer.
You're like Malone.
You're pro-vaccination, but you're not pro the way this is going.
naomi wolf
Well, I'm pro, you know, bodily autonomy, which I've been consistent about, and pro the rule of law.
Like, any coercion that's medical is illegal.
Like, it's just against so many laws.
But my point is, the last step is to call misinformation a form of incitement, and to criminalize speech.
And so I am nervous about that, and they shouldn't be doing it.
And it's intimidating.
You know, for this reporter to harass me because I talk to you is intimidating.
You know, for the president to call out individual American citizens who have opinions is intimidating.
It's unleashing the power of the state, even short of criminalizing speech.
steve bannon
Okay, you've got to go catch a train real quickly.
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steve bannon
For our international audience, I want to make sure you get to Dr. Wolf because she wants to expand internationally.
Everybody should be on this case.
Short commercial break.
unidentified
We'll come back.
steve bannon
Dr. Peter Navarro and I are going to go through some economics, but we've still got to finish with Fauci, you and I. Got some unfinished work on The Good Doctor.
Fire Fauci.
In Trump Time is the book.
Go to Amazon.
Dr. Wolf, thank you very much.
Short commercial break.
Be back in Worm in a moment.
naomi wolf
Thank you so much.
unidentified
CCP.
Spread the word all through Hong Kong.
We will fight till they're all gone.
We rejoice when there's no more.
naomi wolf
Let's take down the CCP.
unidentified
They have all our...
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I want to play a clip from the great Steve Cortez in the Newsmax show.
peter navarro
We go to sleep by Count Fauci lies, you know.
It's like, did I stay awake all night because there's so many?
steve bannon
You know, I wanted to have the second hour on the economics.
We're going to get to that.
But this thing with Fauci is so big.
We had Russ Vought on the Friday show talk about the difficulty of controlling NIH.
People have to understand this.
One of the biggest fights we've got, particularly if you're a Trump supporter, is the administrative state.
The administrative state and the national security state.
But you've got the medical-industrial complex, okay?
And it is big, powerful, big pharma into these agencies.
And I've got to tell you, they're not listening to anybody.
Let's play the clip from Steve Cortez and Dr. Peter Navarro.
peter navarro
But as bad as that day was, looking into his eyes, the biggest thing that happened on January 28th was the email Fauci got from Scripps Institute saying that that virus was likely weaponized.
That was a lie of omission, Steve, because at that point, Fauci knew beyond any shadow of doubt, because that thing was in Wuhan, that he was responsible, likely, for the virus, because he knew that he not only funded the Wuhan lab. He also lobbied with Collins, the now disgraced NIH director, for the re-institution and lifting of the ban on gain-of-function experiments in
2017. When I was in the White House with President Trump in 2017, we didn't see Fauci tell the president about this. He lobbied some low-level staffer there to do what he did.
This man lies to Rand Paul.
He lies to Congress.
But the biggest thing, Steve, was lies of omission.
And the In Trump Time book just begins with that.
Throughout the book, there's blood on Tony Fauci's hands.
This guy has to go.
And what's interesting is his approval rating, Steve, has fallen at an even faster rate, at a faster rate than Joe Biden's.
Joe Biden's in the toilet.
unidentified
Hard to believe anything could fall faster than that, Peter.
You know, I've got to ask you, you think about all we've been through over the past almost two years now.
Thank you very much.
steve bannon
I really want to appreciate it.
So right now, as we could be sliding into a kinetic war in Taiwan, the accountability, the accountability for how this started, the accountability for the devastation, not just the deaths and the sickness, but what it's done to American culture and what it's done to the American economy.
There is going to be a reckoning, ladies and gentlemen.
As sure as the turning of the earth, there's going to be a reckoning.
You get the Trump Time book and you start to see the beginning of it.
But there's been developments that have happened, part of which I think because of your appearances on media and about the book and about what you're about to expose.
We had Russ Vogt on Friday's show, the great OMB director that said, hey, you know, I've heard Peter on the show, I see what he says.
Confronting these guys on a daily basis at NIH at a $40 billion budget per year with seven or eight major institutes to do the most basic reforms the Trump administration want to do, he said they would just shine them on, just laugh it off and go right to the hill where they are absolutely power locked in, not just to Democrats, I mean to Republicans and Democrats.
Talk to us about, this is monumental and I'm telling you this is going to be the media, and here's the thing, The Biden administration and the media and the social media oligarchs are so in on Fauci, they can't back off it.
They own Fauci, right?
They own everything Fauci's done.
This is a seminal moment in American history for taking on the administrative state for their lies and their misrepresentations.
Dr. Peter Navarro.
peter navarro
You see, the purpose of the In Trump Time book in many ways is three things.
One, get Fauci fired.
And find out what exactly he did.
Hold Communist China fully accountable for what they did.
And uncover the truth about what happened, both on November 3rd and January 6th.
With respect to Fauci, I mean, that clip you played from Cortez, where he said, you know, I'm just getting started, right?
It's like this man, he is the root of this evil, right?
We know now, I wish I had known then what I know now, that he had funded that lab, that he was behind these gain of function experiments.
steve bannon
He never told you that in any of these meetings.
peter navarro
Like I said, the biggest thing...
steve bannon
Any of the meetings you had early on, when you guys were searching for what went on here...
peter navarro
Rand Paul says he lied to Congress, right?
Okay?
He did lie to Congress.
But the biggest lie Fauci did was the lie of omission.
On the same day, January 28, 2020, that I'm going head-to-head in violent confrontation with Fauci over the China travel ban, he got an email from Scripps Institute telling him that that virus was likely genetically engineered and therefore weaponized.
Now, at that point, If you're Fauci, you know that since you funded the lab, and since you authorized gain-of-function research at the lab, that you must be responsible.
Fauci must be responsible.
At that point in time, he had a moral, ethical, and a national obligation to tell the President of the United States and the task force exactly what he knew.
If he had done that, we would have had a completely different strategy.
We would also have cracked down hard on Communist China to come clean with what they did.
And if they had done the war, the reason why that's important is we would have had an entirely different strategy and saved literally millions of lives around the world.
He did not do that.
Now, what did he do?
He did just the opposite.
He orchestrated a cover-up.
I document this.
He orchestrated a cover-up using cutouts like Dasik that basically put out this notion that this was from nature, not from the lab.
He was covering the ass of the Chinese Communist Party.
He was covering his own ass, but in a way which continued a lie which killed Americans.
And that in and of itself should put him in an orange jumpsuit but beyond that he went after the therapeutics prevented americans were able to get the therapeutics to treat themselves. Why did he do that?
You know that's a complex question I think that if you look at him he did the same thing during and I document this in Trump time during the the uh... the AIDS epidemic he he actively suppressed the use of medicines which were proven uh... in the gay community to work and by by some count by Sean Strub who wrote a beautiful book about this Fauci killed seventeen thousand people
Just in the AIDS epidemic alone, based on his own kind of regal sense of himself, I'm always right, never wrong kind of thing.
So he repeated the identical mistake.
But there also is the problem, Steve, that he is in the back pocket of big pharma.
And hydroxychloroquine is a $12 drug, right?
And instead of letting that go now, Pfizer's got one that's going to cost $2,000.
You don't become the highest paid official in government without being in the back pocket of Big Pharma if you're at NIH.
And then at the end, look, look, Fauci's the guy now who wants your six-year-old to get the job, but I can tell you also... Why are they obsessed with that?
steve bannon
He's obsessed with it.
peter navarro
He is obsessed with that.
He's double, triple down on this universal vaccine strategy.
That's the message of the Biden administration.
This is scientism, not data.
But the point I want to make here, uh... about falchi uh... on this is is that he just doubles and triples down on the his positions and he i think at this point he doesn't know the uh... from from fiction and the the idea of c for me that tell with tony falchi cuz he You're describing a sociopath.
Yes, he knows.
You're describing a sociopath.
And I've said he's a sociopath.
And here's the tell, Steve.
This is the single most important tell for everybody in America to understand.
It's understood.
Every scientist who understands this knows that if you've had the virus, you will have antibodies that are 20 times stronger than if you get the vaccine.
So, any rational human being would say, if you've had the virus and you got the antibodies, you do not need to take the jab.
Yet, Fauci insists on that.
It's also true, as a corollary, that kids, healthy kids, when they get it, it's not going to hurt them.
Right?
the virus, so why would you have them risk myocarditis, which is the most common symptom in young children?
So the point is that Fauci, in so many ways, is a criminal.
I consider him a war criminal because we are at war with the Chinese Communist Party over this virus.
Fauci was part of that bioweapons lab, and he needs to go.
He needs to go from fired to a chair strapped down on Capitol Hill, confess his crimes, and then immediately taken to a court, charged with lying to Congress about gain of function, and he should be in an orange jumpsuit, and there should be civil suits against him for all the people he killed, and all that money he's accumulated from big pharma needs to go basically to pay for all the health care for the people that he's harmed.
steve bannon
We're going to get to the economy, but when we come back, I've got a few seconds here, when we come back, I've got to ask you, He was down on therapeutics and he wasn't a sponsor of the of the of the vaccine.
So when we come back I want the answer.
peter navarro
Yeah.
steve bannon
What was he proposing in Trump time?
We're gonna take a short commercial break.
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Okay, when I read the book, I see that Tony Fauci fought you guys tooth and nail on therapeutics.
Yes.
But he wasn't A huge proponent at the time of the vaccine.
So walk me through that.
What was his solution?
peter navarro
Well, let's make this point.
He is immediately supportive now of therapeutics, now that Pfizer has one that costs like $2,000 a pill.
unidentified
Didn't like it.
peter navarro
At $12 for a treatment course for hydroxychloroquine, but give me that $2,000 pill for Pfizer and he's like, he's got religion on this.
The vaccine issue, it's like, as I document in the In Trump Time book, initially I come out with the February 2020 memo.
I write it February 9th.
I say, we can have a vaccine October or November.
And what's really interesting, I go out on TV on this, and there's a wonderful story in the book about how Fauci attacks me through Maggie Haberman.
At the end, on CNN.
My girl.
Yeah.
My girl.
She's right after me.
It's like I'm sitting there watching and I'm going, what, Megs?
What are you doing to me?
She thinks you're insane.
steve bannon
She thinks you're insane.
Yeah.
peter navarro
And I run this thing down and it's got Fauci's hands all over it.
Right.
And Fauci's out there.
I mean, look, I'm proud to say to the war room posse and the rest of this world.
That I was the only guy in the White House who took Fauci on.
Think about that.
I was the only guy in the White House who called Fauci on his lies.
And every time I did, I was right, and he was wrong.
And I almost got fired for it one time.
But I hold my ground.
I speak the truth to power.
That SOB is a liar.
Now, on the vaccine itself, he fights me on this.
Once it looks like we're going to get the vaccine, the other thing he does, and the whole Democrat strategy, was to slow walk the vaccine so Trump couldn't get a victory.
Now think about that.
steve bannon
He was that crass and that political.
peter navarro
Yeah, and you go in the book, and I document it very carefully, and I show the words.
steve bannon
It's a big charge.
peter navarro
Yes.
steve bannon
No, it's... You feel comfortable you've backed it up.
peter navarro
Yes, yeah, it's in his own words.
We got him and the way he did it and pressured the FDA.
He was set on stopping Trump.
steve bannon
He was set on stopping Trump from...
peter navarro
Borla was the other big villain on this.
steve bannon
He was set on stopping Trump from having a second term?
peter navarro
Oh, no question about it.
No question about it.
And what's the quid pro quo there, to use a famous term in Trump land?
steve bannon
He became senior medical advisor to Joe Biden.
peter navarro
Thank you very much.
And not only that, not only that, even after his fall, I mean, he's disgraced now.
His partner in crime.
steve bannon
But that's what they own him.
peter navarro
They own him.
The French Francis Collins at the NIH has had to resign in disgrace for lying about and funding those gain-of-function experiments.
Fauci's hanging on by a thread.
This book here, this is the Fauci fire, okay?
Every American reads this book.
Fauci's not only gone, he's in an orange jumpsuit.
I guarantee it.
And it's all there.
The receipts are all there.
And everything that you know and hate about Fauci, there's ten times more things.
This is like literally the most evil person I've ever seen, and the reason why is because he looks like a Christmas elf, and everybody kind of loved him at the beginning, and it was the biggest lie imaginable.
It's like the picture of Dorian Gray, man.
Whatever's in that guy's basement is right out of a Hieronymus Bosch painting.
unidentified
Wow, that's pretty good literary references there.
steve bannon
You say it's a journal of America's plague year.
peter navarro
Yeah.
steve bannon
Yet you were the first.
This is the book of Navarro, the last year of Trump's first term.
You say you were the first guy that came on here.
In fact, you and Cortez, and I think you may have even beaten Cortez by a couple of days, you came on here.
Right after, I think you actually did it before Biden's inauguration, but you came on the day or a couple days after and said, we are heading towards something this country has not seen in 40, 50 years, stagflation.
What was it, the precedent of, because you came off the 2019, the greatest year for American workers in history, and people are going to hearken back to that Christmas season of 19, as they're going to go in the dark winter of this Christmas.
What was it, what precedents We're set, that you could see the stagflation coming from what Biden's policies were going to be.
peter navarro
So again, in the In Trump Time book, you go back to May 2020.
May 2020, I penned a memo to Meadows, the Chief of Staff.
Basically, that said that we were looking at a possible stagflation scenario.
Think about that.
May of 2020.
And so, Steve, you asked me what what what did I see then?
If you go back to look at the 1970s, you had three things going on.
You had fiscal policy, you had a printing press at the Federal Reserve.
Those were the components of the inflationary part of stagflation.
But then you also had food and energy price shocks in the 70s, which Which are what we call cost push inflation, because they shift the supply curve in, and when the supply curve shifts in, two things happen.
You have higher prices, which is inflation, but you also have slower growth, a little wonky there.
But that, so I could see right away that this pandemic was creating basically a cost push inflationary type pressure that was gonna be reflected in energy prices, in food prices, but also in the broader economy and the labor market, right?
So if you simply take, for example, I liken the Chinese Communist Party Fauci virus to a neutron bomb in our metropolitan areas, right?
If you look now, we went from occupancy rates in major commercial office buildings, say in New York or Chicago, Detroit, from like near 100% before the pandemic to down to like 30 or 40%.
Now think about that.
People who are working at home now in their white collars with their fancy laptops, they're doing just fine.
But what about all those janitors and service workers and beauticians and restaurant operators around that whole ecosystem of the metro?
They're what I call service sector refugees, right?
And so you have the specter 10 million people unemployed and 10 million job openings, roughly, right?
And the only way that happens is through what we call structural unemployment.
And so what that does, again, it's like the 10 million unemployed is the stag part of the equation, right?
Because that slows things down.
And then in the 10 million job openings, that puts upward pressure in certain sectors, so you get wage price inflation.
And then on top of that, Stephen, this is, I'm burying the lead here, and you're going to chew me out for this, but The buried lead here, in the memo I wrote in May, was that if we onshored our supply chains, buy American, hire American, pure Trump onshore, make it here, and it's just a rule, an ironclad rule, Steve, and they teach you this at the business school, if your factories are here, your supply chains are here.
If you send your factories offshore, your supply chains go with them.
So, the point is that Unless we onshore our production, we were going to have fragile supply chains.
Offshore, they're fragile.
Onshore, they're resilient.
And so, you know, I pride myself in kind of looking at the macro chessboard.
That's kind of what I've done all my professional life.
And you could see this stagflation thing coming like a high hard one from Nolan Ryan at our head.
And we did all the wrong things.
steve bannon
How did Biden, with smart guys around him, how did they miss this so badly?
Because now we're in it and they're working all weekend, we're talking about this in the next block, trying to get this massive stimulus package done by next week, which is going to throw Napalm on this dumpster fire.
But what did they miss, and what actions did they take, and how did they miss it?
peter navarro
Well, let's go back to Obama-Biden after the crash in 2008, right?
I was on TV more times than I can count saying the following, that the Biden-Obama people, the economists there, did not understand the difference between Uh, the structural problems we were facing and a problem you could do with Keynesian stimulus, right?
So all Obama and Biden did was use traditional Larry Summers, Keynesian stimulus, doubled our debt from $10 to $20 trillion, and all they got is the punchline here.
steve bannon
Well, $880 billion, Federal Reserve $880 billion to $4.5 trillion.
peter navarro
The punchline here is they got the new normal of slow growth, right?
Stagnation, right?
And stagnant wages.
The Japan model.
And I kept preaching that we needed structural changes, and when I got with President Trump in 2016 as his economic advisor, it's like, this dude understands, right?
So it was tax cuts, deregulation, strategic energy dominance, and fair trade.
Those were the structural adjustments.
So fast forward, Biden's got the same dumb people working for him.
They've got their degrees.
They're like Keynesian economists.
And they're trying to stimulate their way out.
But it's worse this time around.
It's not just Keynesian stimulus in those packages.
It's the woke progressive redistribution of income from the middle class to the poor, which will be its own drag on the economy.
So it just, I mean, these people just don't get it.
It's frustrating.
To me, I can count on, like, one hand the number of economists I know in this country who actually understand the difference between supply-side structural economic problems and Keynesian economics.
steve bannon
We've got a couple of minutes here.
This Christmas, we're coming into the holiday season, starting in a couple of weeks.
peter navarro
By the way, zero heads, you get all that down?
steve bannon
Go ahead.
Yeah, we'll send a clip over to them.
How bad is this going to get?
peter navarro
Oh, this is...if we're on...continue on the current course... He's talking about calling the National Guard.
steve bannon
Last night, the other night, he said, call the National Guard to help a logistician.
That shows he does not get this at all, right?
peter navarro
Is that embarrassing?
Yeah, it is.
And Nixon's response in the 70s with price controls, those are just around the corner.
And the problem is, as soon as you get into this situation, hoarding, which is going on now until the cows come home, just accentuates the thing.
This is a decade-long problem, Steve, in the making.
A decade-long problem because here's the thing...
steve bannon
Are we going to have a lost decade because of Joe Biden?
peter navarro
Let me give you the quick wonk thing, okay?
When you have simultaneous recession and inflation, you can't use Keynesian stimulus to fix it.
With inflation, you use Keynesian tools to slow things down, but that exacerbates the recession.
With recession, you use Keynesian tools to stimulate, but that exacerbates the inflation.
The only way we got out of it was with Reagan coming in.
Volcker at the Fed invoking a severe recession, getting rid of inflationary expectations, and then bringing in structural changes.
Okay?
And so, these people have no clue in the White House.
There's not a single economist in there.
Jerome Powell is out of his depth.
Larry Summers doesn't understand this, never did, never will.
steve bannon
Trump administration picked Jerome Powell.
Well, that was Mnuchin.
peter navarro
Hey, you see this book, In Trump Time?
Steve Mnuchin.
You'll get to the truth about him, too.
Whenever I wanted to troll Mnuchin in the Oval, I'd just say, hey boss, who was it that appointed Jay Powell?
And he'd look over at Mnuchin, and yeah, that was kind of fun.
That was kind of fun.
In a dark humor way.
steve bannon
Is Powell going to be re-upped?
peter navarro
Of course not.
He's trying to be.
He's printing money.
steve bannon
But Biden's going to re-up him right now, right?
peter navarro
Well, he's printing money to accommodate Biden.
But short break.
steve bannon
Back with the author of In Trump Time, Dr. Peter Navarro.
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peter navarro
Getter is the ultimate Twitter killer.
Just with Mike Lindell's towels, I do experiments.
Steve, my favorite experiment is if you go to my Twitter and Getter accounts, I'm posting these videos on there, and I'm getting literally a 10 to 1, 10 to 1 click-through response From Getter vs. Twitter.
So, Twitter either doesn't have a lot of response or Twitter is shadow banning, censoring me.
But either way, get on Getter.
I want to welcome Sean Duffy, Congressman, former Congressman.
One of my favorite guys.
He's in the Trump Time book.
He's just a beautiful MAGA man.
And his wife, Rachel Campos-Duffy.
Saturday host on Fox and Friends.
They're just coming on together and they're on fire.
And this is what we got to do.
We got to get everybody out there in deplorables and Magalan to use this because you won't get censored.
steve bannon
And you won't get blown off.
peter navarro
You won't get blown off.
steve bannon
Axios, yesterday on Friday, had a huge story, their number one story, their big reveal.
Trump is the nominee in 24.
I don't know if you saw this.
Very detailed about Trump, people around him, etc.
Leading up to 22 and 24, what can this audience do, and what can you help them with, because you're a revered figure, to start thinking about those policies?
It's not about do we win elections or not.
It's about the policies we put in in those elections.
What needs to be done now by this posse at your call to confront and combat what Biden's trying to do?
Because if this spending bill is passed or the debt ceiling is raised, there will be things that even Dr. Peter Navarro and Donald Trump cannot unwind, sir.
peter navarro
Let me be honest again.
I'm going to show this one last time shamelessly.
steve bannon
Is there a book?
peter navarro
The whole thing here, Steve, is that that I don't want to talk about 2024.
I don't even want to talk about 2022 until we get to the bottom of what happened on November 3rd.
What we need is full forensic audits across the 58 states.
We now have proven with the help of people like Fincham and Rogers and Borrelli that Arizona was stolen.
We know that Georgia's a cesspool.
We know that Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were stolen.
So why is Biden in the White House and Trump down at Mar-a-Lago?
So this talk about 2024, if we wait like three and a half years to get rid of the worst president in history, when we had the best one in modern history, it's going to be very, very difficult to come back from that.
steve bannon
You have a PhD from Harvard University.
One of the most revered universities, centers of high learning in the world.
peter navarro
Yes.
steve bannon
And you have a doctorate from there which they don't grant to everybody.
peter navarro
In economics.
steve bannon
In economics.
peter navarro
Masters in public policy.
steve bannon
And in the economics is one of the most revered economics department in the world.
peter navarro
Yes.
steve bannon
And they do not grant those degrees lightly.
unidentified
Yes.
Concur?
steve bannon
You've got to go through a real grind.
peter navarro
Yes.
steve bannon
There is no doubt in your mind, statistically, analytically, as you've looked at the evidence.
peter navarro
It's in the book.
steve bannon
Have you looked at the evidence?
peter navarro
It's in the book.
steve bannon
That Joe Biden is not... Rascal... Jamie Rascal asked Gates the other day, do you believe that Joe Biden's a legitimate President of the United States and was elected on November 3rd?
peter navarro
Sir?
There's, in the book, one of my favorite chapters, Thanksgiving, right?
I waited two weeks for the Trump campaign to get their act together and look at the irregularities.
They didn't.
So I put on my Harvard big boy pants, went in to the White House.
No turkey, no football, no problem that day, right?
I had 5,000 affidavits to go through, thousands of pages of documents to review.
Out of that came the three Navarro reports.
This thing was stolen, and the more we learn, the more we are certain that it was stolen.
The latest news from Arizona proves that Arizona was stolen.
steve bannon
We're in Arizona.
We're going to be in Arizona.
In Arizona, we're going to make a big speech on Saturday night.
unidentified
A lot to do.
steve bannon
We're going to be there for a couple days.
But, I want to make sure people know something.
In this book, and what Peter Navarro says on his website, here's the beauty of Navarro.
He has the receipts, and what I mean by that, when you go and look at what he's saying about Fauci and other things that took place, he's got a memo that was sent on that day.
He's got a conversation where he puts the people in the room and names their names and what they said, because guess what?
Because guess what?
He was keeping a detailed diary, his journal of the plague year.
Okay, at the recommendation of someone with a lot of wisdom.
He also, but by the way, when he went, because it was a little dispersed, when he went over that Thanksgiving weekend and did what only Peter Navarro could do, what he did on trade and manufacturing, what he did to help President Trump, he grinded through all the 3,000 affidavits.
The Navarro reports, which have never been refuted by anybody.
peter navarro
Ever.
steve bannon
Ever.
Because this guy will take you on one-on-one, stand as a living document Wait for it.
For almost a year.
We're with almost a year.
Less than a month from now will be a one year when you wrote those memos.
Start those memos.
Okay?
And they've not been refuted.
And that's called the receipts.
Dr. Peter Navarro says quite smartly, unprompted, can't think about 2022 yet, can't think about our policies in 2024 because we have unfinished work.
This republic has unfinished work.
You must go back to 3 November of 2020.
If we do not get that sorted, we can't go forward.
You must get that sorted.
It is imperative for this Republic to do it.
And by the way, that just happened to be the thesis of my speech last night in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.
peter navarro
And what a place to have the Bannon-Gettysburg Address.
steve bannon
Well, as you know... I suspect it wasn't as short as the first one.
peter navarro
But it may have had action, action, action.
I call that, by the way, in the book, as a tribute to you, the canon of Bannon.
steve bannon
We did talk about the Trump- the Gettysburg Compact that he went there in the last 10 days of the campaign and that's what really started the drive to victory by putting up, which I had on the whiteboard right above it, what President Trump committed to to drain the swamp.
And by the way, we were checking off every one.
The book is in Trump time.
Go to Amazon.
We got a punch.
Thank you so much for doing this.
peter navarro
And you have a good trip out on the road there.
steve bannon
Can you please, you dress up for Sean Hannity.
You look like you walked out of Central Casting at a Harvard's Faculty.
unidentified
You're all looking great on Cortez.
Hey, this is where I feel at home.
peter navarro
You know what I'm saying?
This is my home, baby.
steve bannon
We'll see you Monday at 10 a.m.
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