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Episode 1,358 – Dr. Fauci And The Global Revolt Against Vaccine MandatesEpisode 1,358 – Dr. Fauci And The Global Revolt Against Vaccine Mandates
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naomi wolf
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peter navarro
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steve bannon
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ben harnwell
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anthony fauci
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome to the War Room.
It's Saturday, 23 October, Year of Our Lord 2021.
I'm honored to have two doctors sitting here with me, Dr. Naomi Wolf and Dr. Peter Navarro.
You have your PhD from Yale?
naomi wolf
A DPhil from Oxford.
steve bannon
Okay, we got Oxford, Yale, and Harvard all represented here today.
Pretty awfully awfully for a War Room on a Saturday.
I want to go to the United Kingdom.
I want to go to the House of Commons Parliament.
We got to yell corner here.
Look, I went to a trade school, okay?
I got my union card.
I want to go to the House of Commons Parliament.
Ben Harnwell, the International Editor for War Room is there.
Ben, we've got Dr. Wolf here for the first hour today.
We're going to be talking about Fauci, we're talking the Wuhan virus, the vaccine mandates, all of it.
There's a lot of talk about Plan B in the United Kingdom.
What is going on there with lockdowns, mandates, all of it?
ben harnwell
Well, this is news which is dominating Westminster right now, Steve, and it really illustrates the fault line that runs directly through British politics right now.
Ideological thought line between Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, and Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister.
Boris Johnson seems to be indicating his desire for this Plan B, whereas the Health Secretary prefers Plan A, which is basically what's been going on at the moment.
That is to say, more vaccines, more booster shots, continuation of social distancing, whereas Plan B would involve Potentially even obligatory vaccine passports, which, as we can see looking at the massive protests in Italy right now, are deeply unpopular.
steve bannon
Ben, you know, you've lived in Italy for, you're from the UK, but you've lived in Italy for years.
We're going to have Maria Luisa Rossi on early in the week next week.
My contacts in Italy say that what's happening there is leading almost to a civil war.
Is that your interpretation?
unidentified
Yeah, and this is exactly why, Steve.
ben harnwell
The Italians are notoriously difficult to get out into the public squares and protest.
Basically, as the saying goes, as long as they have pasta and popcorn, They won't do it.
They're not like the French.
The fact that from Trieste, up in the northeast, the famous port city, to Milan, the big industrial city in the north, down to Rome, that in every single major city in Italy right now, there are huge demonstrations of tens of thousands of people, and with the anger at such a level that there is even a tinge of violence in some of these protests.
The one in Rome, for example, where the leaders of which are still, as far as I'm aware, in custody. There was a violent overturning of one of the local offices of a national trade union. So that is an indication of how unpopular mandatory vaccine passports are.
And in Italy, after months of saying it wasn't going to happen, the measure there is that all workers now must have a vaccine passport to come to work.
That's the public sector and the private sector.
So if they're talking about bringing this through in the UK, and of course the British are one of the most fiercely independent peoples in the world, if The government should do something so unprecedented here.
I would not want to be in Parliament Square where I am right now on a day that people would get together to protest that.
steve bannon
Okay, I just want to reiterate before you lose you.
Boris Johnson, the Tory, is pushing the vaccine passport plan B plan.
That's what he's driving towards is a vaccine passport.
Did I read that correctly?
ben harnwell
Well, even experienced Westminster watches now, and I first worked in the House of Commons in 1994 over my shoulder.
So I have some experience of following these things.
Watching politics these days in Westminster is increasingly becoming akin to criminology.
It's not so difficult as it once was to draw an idea of what the clear ideological personality disputes are.
But it is certainly the case that Boris Johnson, who many considered up until two years ago, and I would have considered it myself, to be more in the libertarian mode, has moved massively to accommodate The whims and desires of the British state, the very heavy-handed, civil service dominated British state, whereas Sajid Javid, who resigned, lest we forget, as Chancellor of the Exchequer, which in the UK is the Finance Minister,
He resigned two years ago because Number 10 had wanted less financial restraints, whereas Sajid Javid wanted a more factual line.
So that, I would suggest, is the current ideological boundary, what I called earlier the fault line in the Conservative Party right now, and that's what I'm meant to be watching.
steve bannon
Ben, thank you very much.
We'll look for you later in the show from Buckingham Palace about the update on the Queen.
Thank you very much.
Ben Hornweiler, International Editor.
Thank you, sir.
peter navarro
Has anybody done this bojo as a bozo?
Has that caught on at all?
Boris Johnson, he was a Trump killer.
He'd come to the White House, he'd act like he was our best friend, and then as soon as there was blood in the water, he went right after Donald Trump.
Trump was out of the White House, he was on his knees, kowtowing to the Biden regime, and now he's doing exactly the wrong thing.
steve bannon
But this is why, for the first hour, we asked Dr. Wolf to come in today, and I want to start with Ben over in the United Kingdom, is that this is deeper than just that.
That's his personality.
He's not a loyal guy.
But there's something very deep going on here I want to discuss with you guys, in that the developments we had this week about the lies of Tony Fauci, we're going to get to in a second.
Let's be brutally frank.
This show has prided itself on being ahead of the curve.
We're coming close to the second year.
We're within 90 days of the second year of this pandemic.
And you were the first government official, really, to warn us.
And you were the first, I think, public intellectual to warn us about the vaccine passports.
Coming two years into this, in the United Kingdom, Our mother country, right?
The cradle of really all these freedoms that we think we perfected more.
They're talking about right now, a Tory government is having an ideological debate.
I mean, Ben's been on me all week.
He's been in Italy watching.
In Italy, I'm telling you, they're close to civil war.
In France, they're close to civil war.
And it's not being reported.
In the United Kingdom, this is a major ideological Breakdown, and you're having a conservative government that's saying, here's our solution out of here.
It's a vaccine passport.
naomi wolf
Right.
steve bannon
And you have to be, we have to have total informational controls.
I want to, you warned everybody about this.
Then I want to get into the Fauci and the virus itself.
Why is this happening in the West?
naomi wolf
I mean, first I want to note that, and I used to live in the UK and I was educated in the UK for many years, and I love that country partly because It is the birthplace of so many things that we inherit as part of the cornerstone of our freedoms.
And they had a robust, you know, rule of law around privacy.
They had a robust rule of law around freedom of association.
And what we saw in the last year and a half is that there's been like a psychological warfare against the people of the United Kingdom And the Republic of Ireland, vicious lockdowns.
And what I noticed is that they kept, the leadership kept bringing in the proposal of vaccine passports.
It was a little premature, locking people down some more, you know, dangling Freedom Day, which is such a creepy Orwellian concept, locking people down some more, letting them out a little, letting them sit in their garden with one person, letting them sit in the garden with two people, like unbelievably refined emotional and psychological torture of a whole population.
And Always floating periodically the vaccine passports.
peter navarro
And similar in Australia and Canada.
steve bannon
By the way, something is the Anglosphere.
peter navarro
And one other thing, juxtaposed against the wisdom of Sweden, which if you looked at what Sweden has done, it's a model for success, yet it goes over the head of the rest of Europe.
naomi wolf
Absolutely.
I mean, it's a Sweden and Florida, right?
They're like rebukes to what everyone else is doing.
But I think you know, you've been ahead of the curve continually.
We've all I hate to acknowledge it been ahead of the curve continually, because it's a terrible curve.
But I think Sitting where we do, seeing that there is lockstep with these policies, Australia and Canada are the worst, right?
People are being beaten for going outside their homes in Australia now.
I think that we've got to understand that's something bigger than the nation state.
I don't think anyone knows what, but it is clear that there's one script.
Not every country is being dragged along the same script.
We're resisting.
peter navarro
Two things are clear.
There's one script and the people are not putting up with it.
And therein lies the tale.
steve bannon
But hang on a second.
I just want to get to the script.
Because there's no conspiracies, but there's no coincidences.
Is there, in any of these countries, Are they coming forward, either one of you think, and making a compelling case, here's why we need these radical lockdowns in Australia, in Canada, in the United Kingdom.
Is there any medical evidence that you see, any public health evidence that they can put forward to actually, this late into this, now have these draconian measures?
naomi wolf
I mean, clearly not.
Mr. Navarro is 100% correct that anyone who follows the actual science knows that lockdowns have been imploded as a public health measure. People like Professor Bhattacharya, Professor Kulldorff, Professor Gupta in Oxford have all demonstrated abundantly that lockdowns had no medical basis. They were invented by Xi Jinping in January of 2020. We've never done them in the West before. And the
countries that did not lock down, as you so rightly said, like Sweden, are doing much better than everyone else. And then you get countries like Israel, where they're complying, complying, complying. They're on their fourth booster. And they still have horrible waves of COVID. So I think we have to face the fact And this has happened before in history, you know, that this is not about the virus.
It's not about the virus.
It's a global bid for control.
You can see the white papers of this.
If you look, for instance, the EU intended to have a Europe, Europe wide ID, you know, some years ago already, there was a white paper for it.
I see who's benefiting from it.
I don't think there's a smoking gun because As you and I have discussed a lot, there are a number of bad actors benefiting from all of this, but I think it's a war against Western nation states, it's a war against the West, it's a war against sovereignty and autonomy, and it's a war against democracy.
And they figured it out, you know, using public health the way, respectfully, other administrations used terrorism to strip people of their liberties.
peter navarro
While suppressing the actual scientific data.
unidentified
Absolutely.
peter navarro
I mean, if you look, for example, at how Europe collates the data on adverse reactions to the vaccine, they do a much better job of it.
Whereas here, we bury it, the CDC buries it.
So just what's ironic here is that the science simply does not support the universal vax policy as Dr. Malone says.
What do you mean by that?
If you look at how this vaccine should be used, and let's remember, I'm not any vaccine.
I sat here with Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the RNA technologies.
I was the guy, as they document in Trump time, who basically sat on February 9th and said if we act now we can have a vaccine by October or November, and a third of the time fought Fauci on that.
But what the science tells us is that we have a leaky the virus.
And so what we're doing is we're creating a non-durable vaccine.
And in those circumstances, that's an open invitation to mutations of the virus, which become ever more deadly and ironically targeted vaccinated people.
So if you create mutations that target the vaccinated and you have universal vaccination, you basically create a killer bug The rational science response is to use the vaccines to target only the most vulnerable which are senior citizens who, like a hockey stick, the mortality rate goes up after 60, like a rocket ship, and those with comorbidities.
And you leave the six-year-old kids alone, you leave healthy people alone, you especially.
Naomi, this is what bothers me the most.
This ideology of forcing vaccinations on people who have had the virus and have 20 times the antibodies.
steve bannon
Okay, short commercial break.
We'll be back.
unidentified
Dr. Naomi Wolf, Dr. Peter Navarro in the War Room.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
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steve bannon
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As a close friend, I can tell you he's a freak.
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Okay, real quickly, because you've been doing so much great work.
How do people get to your site?
Because you came in here, I think it was in like February, and you talked about these vaccine passports are going to be a game changer.
A lot of people called me up and said, hey, love the show.
You know, she's a lefty.
Is she a little crazy?
And I said, hey.
peter navarro
She thought you had horns and smoke was going to come out of your nose.
steve bannon
I do, I do.
No, but I tell you, we love people that head of the curve.
How do people get to your site?
Because we want everybody in the posse to go and support Dr. Wolf.
naomi wolf
Yeah, I appreciate that so much.
And I've been told I'm allowed to say this, so I will.
Please come to dailycloud.io and please continue to Help us, support us, join our community because we've been paying lawyers to draft legislation to keep these horrible, vicious, tyrannical laws from being in your house and affecting your family.
And literally this community and you, I want to really credit you, you know, you've been at the forefront of helping us get there.
And in 26 states now, almost 29 states, there are strong laws to protect people who help fight together.
steve bannon
I know you're strapped for resources.
Have you thought about expanding into Europe?
I mean, the people in the UK and Italy and France, I mean, we get it every day from the people over there saying there's nobody, there's no group like yours that is there for people to come to and kind of try to fight back.
That's where they're taking to the streets.
naomi wolf
Absolutely.
I mean, we have to.
So we are raising money to build a British Bill Cam, to build a French Bill Cam, an Israeli Bill Cam.
There are 132 democracies, and all of them need to do what we did with America, which is create a searchable database so people can send bills through social media, draft their own legislation, be their own lobbyists.
So totally support us.
Thank you very much.
steve bannon
So go to dailyclock.com.
peter navarro
And let me give her my highest compliment.
She sees the chessboard.
She saw the chessboard.
Many, many moves ahead, and she got it exactly right, and we need to listen to Naomi Wolf.
steve bannon
Look, people are coming from what used to be politically aligned with the left, because there's a whole new thing in the world that's coming together, right?
We don't really know what it is.
The working class folks in the Rio Grande Valley.
We had Royce White on.
The very first kickoff of the Fauci-Lide was Royce White, former NBA player, Played the University of Minnesota, now one of the big stars of the Big Three League.
He was, in May of 20, put it up on his Instagram about gain of function, and boom, they're blowing him out right away.
Right?
And they said, oh, he had no mental expertise.
Okay, the other thing is, you gotta buy Interim Time.
This is my pitch, I got my hands on the book, I love this, I just love the feel of it.
Because you can go back, we're coming up to the two-year anniversary when this whole thing, well, look, it might have started earlier than that, but the official thing in January of 2020.
This takes you back to the beginning, and so many of the problems and issues we still have today have the railhead in what happened at the beginning, and you can see the character of people in that book, and it's very impressive.
peter navarro
I'm going to channel my inner Mike Lindell here, but this is an important book.
I thought, Steve, that I might change the subtitle to The Fauci Fire, because there's really three missions in this book.
One is to make sure Tony Fauci is not only fired, but also put in an orange jumpsuit.
And the book goes through all that.
This picture, Steve, take a look.
I may or may not be telling the president right now to fire Fauci.
steve bannon
OK, well, that's what I'm going to say.
peter navarro
Yes, yes.
But but I want to do my because Fauci, I mean, he's such a criminal.
Let me just do my first dramatic reading in the Bannon bookstore.
steve bannon
You can do that as long as you give too much away.
We're trying to sell some books here.
peter navarro
There is also Fauci's deeply ironic role in sparking the pandemic itself.
It was Fauci who went behind the back of the Trump White House in 2017.
to lift the ban on dangerous gain-of-function experiments, goes on and on.
Yet, Fauci kept all of that information from President Trump and the White House Coronavirus Task Force, and hundreds of thousands of Americans likely died as a result.
But, let's not get too far ahead, okay, of our story.
steve bannon
What is the mentality?
I want to step back here, because this, look, we're going to be dealing with this for a long time to come.
But it's a mindset.
What is the mindset of people that consider themselves our betters?
This kind of mindset.
You said there's something much deeper here.
What is the mindset of Fauci and Collins and the entire apparatus in the media?
You see Sanjay Gupta going on Joe Rogan.
Joe's a mixed martial arts fighter and stand-up comedian.
Got a great show.
He's blowing up Sanjay Gupta.
Sanjay's got no defense.
peter navarro
It was awesome.
down to his knees to be clear.
steve bannon
He broke him.
peter navarro
He broke him.
steve bannon
Joe Rogan, amazing, broke him.
Of course CNN's now.
Nicely.
Nicely.
He's coming together.
What is the mentality, Dr. Wolff, of the apparatus?
naomi wolf
Well, I've got a chapter in the new book I'm writing about this, which is called Thinking Like a Tyrant.
And there I explain that the people who are at the highest levels that I know, who are part of this kind of manipulation of populations and stripping of liberties, they think they're nice people.
And they think that fundamentally they're better equipped than the tyrants.
The person in the street, the man or woman in the street to make decisions about that person's own life.
And I've given many examples of this.
And that's just like one of the things that allow this level of inhumanity.
I mean, just look at speaking about what you were talking about, like coercing people to have a vaccination.
We've never had that in the United States in our entire history, unless you were an enslaved person with no legal rights, you couldn't force someone To have a baby, you couldn't force someone to be tattooed, you couldn't force someone to take a medication.
It's happened, like with the Tuskegee experiments, but those were criminal acts and history reflected that.
peter navarro
And they're making some of the most courageous people on the planet submit to their coercion and think that those people are going to submit, whether it's Navy SEALs or corporals in the Marine Corps, whatever.
These people are, you know, they put their lives on the line.
steve bannon
Our NBA athletes.
We had Royce White answer, Joanne Reed went after the NBA players that came forward.
And suddenly I said, listen, I do this kind of for a living now.
Those three individuals came forth and marshaled the facts better on natural immunity.
I said, if Tony Fauci would come to the nation and make his counter case, I think we could have a reasonable debate.
But they just make these assertions.
These other guys are marshaling things called evidence.
peter navarro
And every other word out of Fauci's mouth is, oh, we can't wait till we get the kids to get the jab.
I mean, are you kidding me?
steve bannon
Why is he obsessed with that?
peter navarro
Are you kidding me?
naomi wolf
So where I was going with this, and it's kind of hard to process, is that there's an elite group of people who really don't think like normal human beings think.
And they don't have compassion.
and they think they're just better equipped to run everything, Bill Gates is at the forefront.
So what we're getting right now are circles and circles of entities that are being constructed where billions of dollars are flowing through, like the ones we talked about the last time we spoke, this non-profit that's creating sort of CDC data without, and bypassing rules of government agencies about how to handle medical data.
And basically people like Dr. Fauci no longer work for us as a result.
They're entangled in kind of the dissect, eco-counselized government.
peter navarro
Why does CNN and Zucker at CNN keep enabling these people?
I mean, at some point, the reality is so starkly different from the fantasy of Fauci, that at some point you would think the media would... What's wrong with Zucker and CNN?
naomi wolf
I'll give you my best analysis.
Again, I don't have all the pieces, but right now, global capital, especially with tech companies, and with China's stake in media, including in our media, has created a kind of cloud that is operating above the heads of, it's more powerful than Congress, it's more powerful than presidents, it's more powerful than Boris Johnson.
And so for those entities, there's more benefit in Facebook pleasing Xi Jinping, or, you know, CNN not losing their share of whatever alliances they have with Chinese investors through cutouts.
peter navarro
And international audiences.
naomi wolf
And international audiences.
But the danger of that, the huge danger, which I think we're seeing, is that it allows our adversary or an adversary who wants to be a superpower, wants us not to be a superpower, to wage war on us without a shot being fired.
And this is what we're seeing.
I mean, people I respect believe we're under attack.
And I believe it too.
There's no question about that.
No question, right?
peter navarro
I mean, I was inside the White House for four years.
And I can tell you, we are under attack.
naomi wolf
We're under attack.
So post-pandemic, or with the pandemic, I believe it's an endemic now based on the doctors I interview.
But, you know, you have giant stakes invested in a message that is all one message to demonize people like...
Me and you and other critics of the pandemic narrative to sideline doctors who stand up and say this is not right for children to lead to only one outcome.
And in that only one outcome, tech wins, pharma wins, and China wins.
And it's that simple.
peter navarro
And the beauty of this is that people in America now listen more to the war room than CNN.
And you can't get on CNN.
steve bannon
Well the reason is it's not because of us.
It's because we give a platform for people to provide additional evidence of that.
Okay, we're gonna take a break.
When we come back, though, what I think the opposition would say, or the current hive mind, is that Navarro and Dr. Wolf don't think we're in a public health emergency.
And they would tell you we're in a public health emergency.
And in that case, certain civil liberties and certain things, Biden was mocking freedom, as they all mock freedom, that they're giving it up.
For the good of the nation.
and a public health emergency next in the war room.
unidentified
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The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back to The War Room.
We're going quickly to Buckingham Palace outside our own Ben Harnwell.
Ben, can we get an update?
The Queen, 95 years old, called off a trip and checked into the hospital the other day.
What's going on?
ben harnwell
Yes, Steve.
I can report that the Queen is now out of hospital and she's back at her desk at Windsor Palace, Windsor Castle.
steve bannon
Any assessment?
People know she's not someone that goes into the hospital overnight.
She's a pretty tough old bird.
Do we have any idea what happened?
ben harnwell
Well, in fact, the last time Her Majesty was in hospital overnight was in 2013, some time ago.
And whilst Buckingham Palace are playing down the fact that the Queen was in hospital at King Edward VII's Hospital in Marylebone, by all accounts, these were mild symptoms, not of Covid and tests.
Uh, over 9 and 8.
steve bannon
Ben, thank you very much.
Look forward to seeing you back on Monday.
We'll be in Arizona.
We plug in Ben Harnwall every day into the show.
Ben, thank you very much.
ben harnwell
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
Boy, if she gets COVID, that's going to be a whole thing.
Okay, public health emergency.
The mainstream media say, hey, look, Navarro, he's a crazy guy, but he's a smart guy.
Dr. Wolf's a traitor.
But the point that they miss, and they're kind of charlatans, because they kind of dance around one thing.
What they say every day on MSNBC and CNN and the New York Times, this is a public health emergency.
And they're using extraordinary measures to get through this pandemic and put us in backups.
And every time they try to ease it off, another variant comes up.
And so, are we in a public health emergency?
And is that emergency raised to the level of these type of things they're trying to do on civil liberties?
Let me start with Dr. Wolf and then I'll get Navarro in here.
naomi wolf
Thank you.
This is one of my favorite subjects because the American people and people around the world are being really manipulated and lied to by a shocking misuse and abuse of statistics.
And here's what I mean.
Well, first of all, history, right?
The United States has been through wave after wave, and so has Britain and Western Europe.
You know, the human species, cholera, typhus, smallpox.
HIV, horrible crises, without ever stripping people of civil liberties in this way.
The 1918 influenza pandemic did not strip people of their civil liberties.
So nothing in our history or our way of life says that you have to lock people down or remove their rights because there is a bad disease, even one that's killing people.
So that is an absolute detour from our Western civilization, our Constitution, and our rights.
First Amendment, Fourth Amendment, and so on.
But the second thing I want to say is I've looked closely at the way the mainstream media uses and abuses the data.
I just did a big video on this.
And it's shocking reliance on people's innumeracy, I guess, and shocking manipulation of the population.
The Boston Globe, for instance, these COVID databases, right, that are always cited, the COVID-19 project, the Bloomberg, Johns Hopkins, database, these scary maps that they're always pointing to.
Well, I build those dashboards at Daily Cloud with our developers and you can set those to count in any way you want.
And no one is allowed to see the raw data sets.
So those are completely unverifiable.
And I could go into the weeds telling you all the ways a developer can set the counting of the API to tell any story they want.
But apart from that, mainstream media will always, for instance, announce a cumulative case as if that's who's sick right now, but that's who's been sick since January of 2020.
And they play other games with the data.
And the most shocking thing I shared with you guys last time is that the CDC data is actually farmed out to a non-profit with Gates ties.
Half a billion dollars from the CARES Act to those people.
They're not confined by rules about data presentation.
It's probably illegal.
And they have a vested interest in telling any story they want to advance their outcome.
steve bannon
You were in the White House, and you're in this chair for one reason.
You understand statistics and mathematics, and you conform it.
Is Dr. Wolf correct in that?
peter navarro
I think it's important to go back to the beginning.
That's what this bad boy does.
One of the central premises of this In Trump Time book is that in order to beat Donald Trump in the election, the mainstream media who aided him, as well as the Biden campaign, had to blame President Trump for the pandemic, rather than Communist China, right?
And as soon as you take that premise, you not only couldn't blame Communist China, you couldn't blame Tony Fauci for funding the Wuhan lab and all of that.
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Let's get the politics out of it, just for a second.
peter navarro
But the politics are everything.
No, let me explain.
steve bannon
Okay, but that's what, hang on.
If we'd have had the counter-argument, you then gotta get to the basic.
Is it a public health emergency or not?
She's saying, hey, you can't get there because the math is so manipulated.
And you know the struggle we had, even at the beginning of the show.
peter navarro
Everything she's saying is true.
But we are in the middle of the pandemic.
The problem is that rational thought and prudent public policy have gone out the window because of politics.
The politics I've been describing to you.
In a rational world, We would see now what we're facing.
We would have a policy which would have very targeted vaccination coupled with, and this is a big part of the interim plan book, therapeutics, right?
Malone and I have sat here telling you flat out That hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin could have saved over 300,000 of the American lives that we lost.
So that, we know now that economic lockdowns, keeping people inside, basically are counterproductive.
They don't work and they may exacerbate the virus, yet we keep doing that because we've been indoctrinated Through the whole process of defeating Trump, this ideology of lockdowns, universal vaccinations, and everything in between.
And here's the problem, Steve and Naomi.
Those people pushing that have the entire mainstream media behind them.
They have the health establishment, which feeds at the trough of the NIH in terms of research grants and participated in the cover-up and basically is kowtowing To the NIH gods.
steve bannon
What do you mean cover up?
I want to make sure you two don't come untethered.
peter navarro
Let's be very clear now.
steve bannon
I'm a pushback.
I want to make sure you two don't come untethered.
peter navarro
What do you mean cover up?
steve bannon
Let me tell you.
peter navarro
Chapter 2 of the In Trump Time book.
I have my first encounter with Fauci on January 28, 2020.
That was about the China travel ban.
I'm there for the boss.
I'm supposed to bring them in line with the travel ban.
I'm fighting Fauci on this.
He's saying travel bans don't work over and over again.
I take that measure of the man.
He was dead wrong then.
He's dead wrong now.
But on that same day, and this is where the cover-up comes, on that same day, ironically, January 28, 2020, he received an email from Scripps Institute that said, this is a genetically engineered virus.
Now, if you're Tony Fauci sitting there reading that email, you know three things.
It's a genetically engineered virus.
The virus Started in Wuhan, therefore it came from the lab.
And as soon as you know that, you also know that me, Fauci, paid for that.
And more importantly, I was the guy in 2017 who lifted the ban on gain-of-function that we created.
steve bannon
The Obama ban.
peter navarro
Look, the In Trump Tide book, it's the Christmas present for the American people.
Everybody reads this book.
Fauci's not only gone, he's in an orange jumpsuit.
There was a cover-up.
And he was at the middle of it.
steve bannon
Does his story and now NIH coming forward and saying that the testimony Fauci gave wrong, does that prove, do you think it proves your case that there's a group of people out there in the establishment, whether it's the medical establishment, financial, that just think they have a way to do things and however they bend the rules is the right way?
Does this whole thing about the Wuhan lab and Echo Health Alliance, does that prove your case?
naomi wolf
I mean it's a really good example as more evidence emerges and I got booted off of Twitter for Simply posting a video in which my husband read from Dr. Ralph Baric's CV showing that there was gain-of-function research called gain-of-function research funded by the NIH, right?
I got booted literally the next day.
steve bannon
At the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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Exactly.
steve bannon
People at universities, you know, the great liberal bastion of the South down there don't want to touch this topic.
naomi wolf
No, indeed.
steve bannon
They run away from it.
Why would they?
Baric is up to his neck in this thing.
naomi wolf
Yeah.
peter navarro
Go Tar Heels, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
peter navarro
Bury that bad boy.
naomi wolf
No, it's very serious and it's also scary because it means that some of their experiments were happening on U.S. soil, probably.
They were looking at bat caves in Maryland, you know, at that lab.
steve bannon
That's why Obama banned it.
peter navarro
These are dangerous people playing God.
These people, the height of hubris, because their whole hypothesis was that we could create badass killer...
That's exactly it.
and then create vaccines to stop them and therefore secure the planet under the assumption, two assumptions, one they could never escape from the lab and two, the Chinese Communist Party in a bio-weapons lab wouldn't use it to take down the United States President.
And I mean if that's not hubris.
naomi wolf
That's exactly it. That's exactly it.
That is such a perfect example of what I was trying to describe of these meta-national relationships that endanger us because what you saw, excuse me for interrupting.
No, no, no, no.
What you saw is exactly this.
A bunch of bureaucrats and non-profit heads and scientists getting together and saying, okay, we have the way forward. Yes, we can't do it legally after 2014.
We'll just export it to our colleagues in China.
They're completely naive about the risk of the Chinese military being in the same institution or the fact that China is our adversary.
peter navarro
To this day, Fauci continues to defend the Chinese as good scientists.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's just oblivious to the idea that behind the curtain there is the People's Liberation Army and bioweapons.
steve bannon
This is scientism.
They think that lab is like a temple.
They don't want the unwashed masses in there investigating.
And Wolf, Bannon, the rest of them, any investigators, 60 Minutes, whatever, you're not part of the Chosen.
The Chosen is this high priest, the high priest caste, right, of scientism.
naomi wolf
Well, look whom they chose to investigate.
Initially it was Dozuck, and then when he got outed by people like us and our colleagues, you know, working hard with their, you know, little keyboards, they tried to replace him with Christian Drosten, who's just as emerged.
peter navarro
And by the way, Pozo had this right, covering on his human events, it's like Dasik is the designated fall guy for Fauci, right?
And this is what the announcement from NIH this week, that basically admitted, admitted, that there was gain of function, experiments at Wuhan, funded by the American...
And that Fauci lied about it is now kind of, well, he only lied because he didn't know what Dasik was doing.
That's BS.
Dasik was joined at the hip.
He was his cutout.
Him, Barak, the friggin' bat lady.
Fauci lied.
Americans died.
That man's going down.
And we are not going to let him get away with that crap.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to take a break.
And when we come back, I want to go back to the vaccine passports.
Because here's something.
When you look at this pandemic and how it's been handled, The complexity and how smartly they thought through the passports didn't just appear.
naomi wolf
No, indeed.
steve bannon
It just didn't drop from the heavens.
It could not possibly because of everything that had to come together.
Technically.
Tied together.
That also has a forerunner.
peter navarro
It's America's social credit score is what it is.
The Chinese Communist Party uses social credit score to control.
Now we got the Biden regime doing that with that card.
steve bannon
It shows you the most important thing.
We thought by bringing China into the West with the World Trade Organization and all that, that they would start to become like us.
Our elites started to become like them.
They started to look at that.
Tom Friedman, they looked at that model.
Remember Tom Friedman a couple of years ago said, if I could just have China's for one day, I could solve climate change.
Or was that a big reveal of Tom Creen?
They admire that level of state capitalism.
peter navarro
We've heard this before.
It's the Mussolini thing.
Mussolini made the trains run on time.
steve bannon
Exactly.
peter navarro
Okay?
Yeah.
steve bannon
Short commercial break.
peter navarro
How's that working out?
steve bannon
We're going to return with Dr. Naomi Wolf, Dr. Peter Navarro.
You've got dailyclout.io.
And of course, In Trump Time.
They both go to Amazon right now.
Short commercial break.
Be back in a moment.
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steve bannon
Okay, we're in the War Room.
We're talking about Social Credit Store, the CCP, their model versus our model.
I want to talk to Dr. Naomi Wolf about these vaccine passports, because the level of sophistication these things have, they just couldn't appear overnight.
But you've got a story to tell us about.
peter navarro
Yeah, interesting.
It ties the In Trump Time book.
The guy Who was my sound engineer for the recording of the In Trump Time book.
And the recording's pretty cool, because it's got voices like Bannon in it, Corey Lewandowski, and stuff like that.
But in the middle of this thing, we're trying to get this thing through, my sound engineer gets COVID, right?
So he goes and gets tested, right?
Because he's not sure whether he has it.
And within two hours, he gets a call from the school district where his kids are going, telling him to pull his kids out of school.
And he's stunned.
It's like, how do you go from a test of me, an adult, without any reference to my family, to having me being forced to pull my kids out of school with the possibility they might be infected?
You warned us about it.
You warned us about what?
You warned us about it.
you know, everything in between, uh, can do. Uh.
And you called this you want us about it.
steve bannon
You want us what you want us about it. What is it?
naomi wolf
What is a vaccine passport?
steve bannon
Yes, and the whole thing.
How can they use this for social control?
naomi wolf
Okay, well it's so, so easy, but thank you for asking.
When you go on an app, you log in and you create a username, and that protects you because it means that they can harvest your data while you're in the app, but you can also sign out of the app and go about your life, meet your friends, go to a protest, and they're not controlling your every move.
So this What I've tried to explain to people, and this is the subject of my upcoming book and it's hard to get people to understand how huge this is, this is not only a war of China against the West, it's also a war of technology against human beings.
And what I mean is, every time people gather in a protest, people gather in a church, your child goes to school, you know, we sit and have a conversation and it's not online.
Tech feels like they're losing market share.
And so this huge opportunity of the pandemic, and I could debate with you about whether I don't agree with you that we're still quote-unquote in the middle of a pandemic, but let's leave that alone.
This huge public health emergency, you know, as real as it was, was the perfect opportunity for the members of the COVID-19 project way back in spring of last year.
Bloomberg, Microsoft, Amazon, Netflix, Nintendo, Right, Google, to gather together to create a world in which we're forced to do everything online.
And when we're forced to do everything online, especially with vaccine passports, it's the ultimate forcing, right?
You have to do it.
It's a public health emergency.
The president says so.
It means you can't sign out.
peter navarro
And by the way, you hedged the loss of your freedom by investing in those stocks.
That's a joke, but it's serious.
naomi wolf
It's very serious.
It's a way to hack capitalism as well, as well as hacking the West.
peter navarro
Facebook's valuation is going up as our freedoms are going down.
naomi wolf
Double digit billions for the tech companies in this pandemic.
Are you listening to Wall Street?
Zero edge?
I just want to wrap this up in a beautiful bow.
Bill Gates funds the CDC Foundation.
peter navarro
Bill Gates, the Gates Foundation funds... A despicable man, by the way, who also appears in a cameo in the In Trump Time book, and not in a good way.
That is one despicable robot.
The only person who's more robotic is Zuckerberg.
naomi wolf
Super evil.
But let me just wrap this up so you see how corrupt it is.
He funds the vaccine development.
He funds a lot of news coverage of the vaccines, according to CJR.
And Microsoft is building the vaccine passports.
peter navarro
So in those states, in those countries... And he funds the character assassination in the press that goes after people like you and Malone.
naomi wolf
Yes.
I know it well.
I know exactly when I'm going to be smeared when I'm over the Gates target.
Thank you so much.
I have noticed that.
All of that being said, this is a 360 degree way for a handful of oligarchs and China to gain capitalism, hedge, you know, if you know a few minutes in advance where the spikes are going to be because Google is harvesting your, you know, you sign in for Google when you get a CVS, you know, COVID test.
And, you know, Amazon and other entities have the contracts.
That's why the data being contracted out of the CDC is so important.
It means that if you're Bloomberg or if you're Bill Gates or if you know just a few minutes before that there's going to be a spike announced, you can hedge that industry.
You can hedge real estate.
You can hedge, you know, kids going back to school and what's going to happen to their parents.
You can game the whole economy.
peter navarro
And by the way, CVS And Walgreens?
Even if you have a prescription for ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, they won't fill it.
naomi wolf
That's super shocking.
peter navarro
Because that fits into the whole narrative.
They will not fill that in many states.
How disgusting is that?
Taking away the power of a private physician, the sanctity of the physician.
People come in with a prescription and they won't fill it.
naomi wolf
So evil in a giant Django block of evils and tyrants.
But just to circle back to the vaccine passports.
Democracy is a problem, right?
The West is a problem because people keep saying, no, I want my freedom.
They can make fun of it all they want.
The West is a problem because people do not want to give up their freedom.
And when you force people into vaccine passports the way they have in New York, the way they have in Southern California, then we are China because you are geolocated.
unidentified
Social media is the opiate of the masses these days.
naomi wolf
Absolutely, but add on to that a surveillance layer, add on to that it knows all your friends, add on to that it can plug in your credit score, turn you off, turn you on, and we're seeing that in Israel with the vaccine passports.
When, you know, they have to go for those boosters because their green pass dies, and I predicted this in April, and then I got smeared and attacked.
It dies, of course, till you get a booster.
So as I've said elsewhere, it is a subscription, and it creates all of human reality as behind a paywall, and we have to pay with our bodies.
steve bannon
I want to ask you to stay for one more segment.
Here's the reason.
I want to ask you to, because I think they were surprised by the resistance.
I think they were surprised, particularly pilots, basketball players.
In New York City, I think it's two-thirds of black males, black men between the ages of 18 and 39, will not get the vaccine.
It's apartheid.
There's apartheid right now.
Can't go in a restaurant, can't go in a gym, can't go in a bar.
But they were surprised by the resistance.
The question I've got when we come back is, what is the path out of here?
What is the path out of here?
You've got these oligarchs, you have all of this.
unidentified
What's the path?
Spoiler alert!
peter navarro
Action, action, action.
Who said that?
steve bannon
What's the path out of here?
peter navarro
Spoiler alert.
steve bannon
OK, we're going to take a short commercial break.
We're asking Dr. Wolf to stay over for one more segment into the second hour.
We're also going to then, Peter Navarro, we're going to drill down on the economy.
But I guess part of that is the path out of here, Chris.
The path out of here.
OK, short commercial break.
We'll be back in a moment.
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