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Episode 710 – The Big Lie vs. The Big Steal (w/ Posobiec, Epshteyn, Dr. Navarro, Walsh)Episode 710 – The Big Lie vs. The Big Steal (w/ Posobiec, Epshteyn, Dr. Navarro, Walsh)
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The virus has now killed more than 100 people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
So you don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
That this is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't and the worst happens, War Room.
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Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
House Judiciary Chair Jerry Nadler, just so everybody catches up on what you're talking about, slapped down your request to begin each committee meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance.
Here's what he said.
It's unnecessary.
The House begins every day with the Pledge of Allegiance.
We're covered by that.
There's no necessity to say the Pledge of Allegiance twice during the same day.
I wake up in the morning and I pledge allegiance to the flag.
I go outside, regardless of the weather, where I've got my flag up by my house and I pledge allegiance.
steve bannon
And then I get on my knees and I pray.
unidentified
If I do that, am I supposed to do it again?
And how many times a day should I do that?
I think you should do it at least every hour.
I remember the first grade we had something like this.
I remember too.
I remember on Fridays at 10 o'clock we ducked below our desks because of the nuclear bomb.
steve bannon
She's talking about ducking cover.
Okay, that is a collection of Democrats.
Jerry Nadler, Steve Cohen.
I think Steve's from, Congressman Cohen's from Memphis.
Other Democratic congressmen mocking The Pledge of Allegiance.
In fact, actually mocking, I think praying because I think that was said sarcastically.
I say the Pledge of Allegiance and I get on my knees and pray and then people mocking you.
I do it every hour and it's like duck and cover.
Back in the 1950s we used to do that exercise in the 50s and 60s about nuclear weapons.
Mocking the Pledge of Allegiance, right?
This is what we're up against.
We're going to get into the Time Magazine article we talked about this morning.
Later, we're going to talk to Dr. Peter Navarro about that deconstructed.
But it's so much to go through.
First, I want to bring in Boris Epstein.
You're live from Capitol Hill.
You're in the War Room.
It's 5 February, the year of our Lord 2021.
It's Friday.
Not the end of the week, because we're back tomorrow morning.
We have Mike Lindell with this new monster documentary he's got.
We've reached out to the Dominion guys, by the way, and the Smartmatic and their spokesman.
We want them on to walk through the film and tell us.
We want them to say, hey, these are all lies and just point out where the lies are.
We're open, right?
This is all about debate and discussion.
Boris, I wanted you to start.
I want to play that as a cold open for you, particularly As a young Jewish boy, I think you were 10 or 11, you came over from Russia.
How does that strike you as an immigrant to this country when, you know, you have folks there that are elected officials that are mocking the Pledge of Allegiance to our flag and to our country?
boris epshteyn
It disgusts me at my very core, Steve.
At my very absolute core, I find it disgusting.
I find it despicable.
I find it dishonorable.
I find it unpatriotic.
We came here when I was 11.
We're running from the rubble of Communist Soviet Union.
We're running from anti-Semitism.
Me and my dad were called kikes on our last day in Moscow.
And I'm sorry to use that harsh word.
I'm Jewish to Media Matters.
I'm 100% Jewish.
No, I'm not using a term that's in any way to deride my people.
But that is what we were called.
That is the term they used to call us on my last day in the former Soviet Union.
We came to this country to the promise of America, to the promise of inclusion, where you can pray, where you're allowed to pray, where you're allowed to pledge allegiance to this beautiful country and to pray for whichever God you choose to pray to.
That is the freedoms that we sought.
That is the freedoms that we received in coming here.
And to hear somebody like Congressman Cohen, who is a complete and utter disgusting joker, and whoever that unidentified congresswoman was, unidentified, maybe it was a Democrat, maybe it wasn't a congresswoman, laughing about pledging allegiance to this country, laughing about honoring this beautiful country, laughing about practicing the freedom of religion, it astonishes me, it disgusts me, but you know what, Steve?
It doesn't surprise me.
Because that is who today's Democrats are.
They are a circus of hateful, pathetic nobodies.
Hateful, pathetic nobodies.
And if you look at this whole Democrat leadership, would you invite—forget partisanship.
Forget partisanship.
Out of everybody we know who's in the Biden White House, who's up on the Hill, how many of them would you want to have over for dinner?
unidentified
Maybe two people out of hundreds?
boris epshteyn
Maybe none?
How many of them would you want interacting with your kids, teaching them what's right and wrong?
And I know people go, oh, well, Donald Trump on Twitter.
Donald Trump is an honest man.
He's an authentic man.
He's a real man.
And he loves this country.
He's not somebody who is behind closed doors, snickering and laughing and making fun of people who are religious.
This all goes back to the cling to your guns and your religion.
Listen to that over and over and over and over again.
That is what Democrats think of you, ladies and gentlemen.
That is what they think of you.
steve bannon
You know, we started the morning show with Rabbi Sparrow and he gave us a prayer for the nation for a couple of minutes and then talked about his book, Pushback, about the American ethos of the Judeo-Christian West.
And to think we started this morning with him and that we start the show today with these Democrats, these progressives, mocking our country, mocking our flag, mocking what this nation And by the way, that's the Daily Caller, Fox News, and it was Matt Gaetz that actually asked to say the Pledge of Allegiance on the Daily Caller, and Fox News, I think, got the audio.
I want to give a hat tip to them.
There's so much to go through in such limited time, but I've got to go to, before I get to President Trump and the trial next week, and also breaking news out of California, Bank of America.
You talk about cancel culture.
Now, and you're a lawyer, so I wanted to ask you this question.
We've got Pasoba going next, we're going to talk to him about it, but is Bank of America Are they like turning over people's records of all their bank statements of what their financial transactions to authorities because they happen to travel here for the rally?
Boris, explain to us what Bank of America is doing.
And there's a big, big blowback about Bank of America.
We're going to talk about that more over the weekend and how people get engaged.
But first, I just want to have you walk us through what is Bank of America actually doing?
boris epshteyn
Unless Bank of America.
Has received signed agreement.
If they've received signed consent from their clients to turn over documents, or they have a subpoena which they're choosing to honor, if they are on their own volition turning over information, that is absolutely unacceptable.
It's a huge violation of privacy laws, huge violation of people's own security, and a huge problem for Bank of America.
But you know what it strikes me back to is the fact that Apple Did not want to turn over information on the San Bernardino killers, but did want to turn over information on Paul Manafort.
Just think about that.
They did not want to turn over information from the phones of the terrorists from San Bernardino, but because Paul Manafort was alleged to not pay some taxes, they decided it was okay.
Well, let's be honest.
It's because Paul Manafort helped elect President Trump.
That is the double standard we're dealing with in this country.
That is what we're living with in this country.
And it's absolutely despicable.
steve bannon
You know, you talk about, you see that, you see cancel culture.
Now they're getting to the banks.
A bunch of President Trump's bank lines were cancelled.
His access to banks were cancelled.
And he's, you know, 45th President of the United States, just finished his first term, but he's running for a second term before too long.
But I want to go, there are victories all over.
And one of the big victories, one of the stories that is not really getting national attention or as much national attention as it needs to get, we're going to start focusing on it.
We've been following for a couple of weeks, but now it's starting to pick up steam.
And that is this recall petition for Gavin Newsom, the golden boy out in out in California that back in April and May had the highest ratings I think a governor of California's had in 20 to 30 years.
They're now I think they're closing in the 1.4 million signatures roughly they need to recall them after they're certified.
boris epshteyn
What is going on in California and why is this going to be a potential big win not just for Republican Party and not just for frontier populism but also for the MAGA movement? Well Steve Gavin Newsom and Andrew Cuomo are the two golden boys of the Democrats in this terrible year of COVID and they're having a tough time. Andrew Cuomo who led the killing of of hundreds thousands of of elderly in New York state and
based on whose decisions the New York state has had a Horrible, a horrible experience with COVID.
And really, if New York was a country, probably would be the worst country in terms of COVID in the world.
And now we know.
steve bannon
But Cuomo says, but Boris, the liberal, the progressive attorney general, Letitia James, did the report.
His response to that is, why does it matter where they died?
boris epshteyn
I wonder if that would be his response to random murders on the street.
Is that if somebody gets shot in the head and then somebody has, God forbid, a heart attack, is that's the same thing too?
Andrew Cuomo is making no sense.
Letitia James, as you said, is coming after him.
She's got the big target in her sights.
And you know what?
We disagree with Letitia James on a lot of things, such as the completely frivolous attacks on the Trump family and the Trump Organization.
But here, she's picked out a very, very strong target.
And I think Andrew Cuomo is going to have a lot of trouble on his hands.
It could be a billions-like scenario.
With the New York AG coming after the New York governor, a big-time elected official in New York.
So that's Cuomo.
On Gavin Newsom, Gavin Newsom was always just an empty suit.
We all know that.
Yeah, he's handsome.
He's got the nice head of hair.
You know, maybe not as nice as yours, Steve, but definitely better than mine, right?
So he's always been somebody who the Democrats have looked at as, oh, he's a real player.
He's going to go do big things for us.
But you know what?
He's a nobody.
And he proved that with the fact that he flailed his own COVID rules, with the fact that he has had no actual COVID plan.
He needed President Trump to bail him out.
President Trump did all he could to help the people of California, but it just didn't work out.
And now Gavin Newsom is facing a recall.
There's obviously a recent history of recalls from Gray Davis in California in the last 20 years.
So Gavin Newsom's going to have a problem.
We as the MAGA movement are going to have to think about who is our best representative there.
Somebody like Rick Grinnell I think would be extremely strong.
In California, but we absolutely, to all of you who are always asking, what could we do?
How do we get involved?
Get involved in California.
Talk loudly about how Gavin Newsom should not be representing the people of California, should not be leading the people of California.
And by the way, even the fact that there are this many signatures disqualifies Gavin Newsom from running for president for 2024, I believe.
steve bannon
Last thing, Boris, I want to turn to the Daily Mail picked up the Politico interview I did.
I interviewed with Gabby Orr over Politico.
boris epshteyn
You're a star today, Bannon.
steve bannon
You're a star today, man.
Under your guidance, I've become hot.
As President Trump said, he's hot.
No, but I just gave what I talk to you about all the time, what we talk in the show, when we talk to our audience about its incumbent upon President Trump, particularly since he's got a free option, to put out the case.
You know, Mike Lindell, the MyPillow guy, has come out with this two-hour movie.
It's playing on One America on the loop.
It's playing on Rumble.
People are talking about it.
But the feedback I got today was pretty overwhelming.
I had so many people call me and say, hey, that's what I've been thinking.
You know, President Trump's got to get some lawyers in there, clearly argue the Constitution with his lawyers laying out, but he's got to get down and show the receipts.
Boris, after seeing the Daily Mail and the political story, what are you, what's your thinking?
boris epshteyn
After seeing it, I picked up the phone.
I called Gabby Orr.
I said, Gabby, where's my voice?
Why am I not in the story?
What's happening?
You know, and, and there's going to be, there's going to be more coming out from Gabby.
And that's a good reporter, by the way, there, a political Gabby Orr.
So I think, Steve, I've been consistent that there needs to be three vectors in this fight.
It needs to be the fact that this is unconstitutional.
It's got to be the fact that this was not incitement.
There was absolutely no incitement in President Trump's speech, nor in his time as a candidate, president, and now.
And then the third, we have to push back on this big lie.
And by the way, calling The claims, the discussion of voter fraud and election fraud, the big lie, circles back to where we started this.
The fact that Democrats are okay with denigrating America, with the fact that they are okay denigrating prayer and religion and practicing one's faith, is what makes them okay with using a term coined by the Nazis.
The Democrats right now, most Democrats, and I'm not trying to denigrate the whole party or anything or their constituents, A lot of those union members who have been voting Democrat are going to be voting Republican for a long time to come.
But the Democrat leadership has one religion right now, and it's the woke, liberal, mob agenda.
That is their religion.
Our religion is whatever you choose to practice in terms of faith and the United States Constitution, with all of its amendments.
Yes, including the Second Amendment, and yes, very much including the First Amendment.
That is where we are as a country.
I do not want to live in a country Where somebody can call me an anti-Semitic name and get away with it because I'm a Republican.
And I'm very scared.
I'm very scared.
And I've got a boy who's going to be five here in a couple of weeks.
That is, my kid grows up and gets older and older and older.
And whatever his political views will be, he's going to be denigrated for my political views, for my political activity.
And I will not allow for him to live in that country.
steve bannon
Boris, real quickly, I've got about 15 seconds.
Give us your coordinates, social media.
unidentified
Absolutely.
boris epshteyn
I'm hot on the gram.
Boris underscore Epstein.
Boris underscore EPSHTEYN.
At Boris EP on Twitter.
God bless, stay strong, and good Shabbos.
steve bannon
Okay, AOC is fighting back.
She's doubling down.
Jack Pessova's here to tell us about it.
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The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
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steve bannon
Welcome back.
We got Jack Posobiec now.
I've got a lot to get through.
Jack, I just had Boris on.
I want to talk about this Bank of America thing for our audience that may not be aware of this.
Bank of America has, I think, turned over and discussed people's private financial transactions with authorities, people who look like they just came back for the rally here in Washington, D.C.
Jack, explain to us what's going on and why is this so out of control in this cancel culture that's now infecting the United States?
jack posobiec
Well, what's going on here is an extreme subversion of the People's Fourth Amendment right against illegal surge and seizure.
These banks are in violation of the Right to Financial Privacy Act.
They're in violation of numerous standards of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the FTC.
You know, where is Elizabeth Warren and all of these great consumer protection Democrats when it comes to these massive violations of this?
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
We're told that these banks or that the federal government can't look into your Your iPhone, if you're a terrorist, you're suspected of terrorism, but if you're someone who's gone in and attended a political rally, which is, again, a protection of the First Amendment, the right to peaceably assemble, they are now going through and they're tracking anyone, they're scooping it all up, much in the same way as Edward Snowden and others have exposed this bulk collection.
Now they're doing financial bulk collection, and the federal government is seemingly getting away with this without anyone standing in their way.
If you're someone who suspects That you've been involved in this?
I sound like one of those infomercials, right?
I would absolutely recommend you retain legal representation and you see what is going on because many hundreds of thousands of people that attend January 6th did so peaceably and did not violate a single law.
In fact, they were exercising their First Amendment rights as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights in the U.S.
Constitution.
What these banks are doing, what the federal government is doing, it amounts to no less than an absolute witch hunt being done to the American people at the behest of one party against their political opponents.
steve bannon
They're trying to intimidate you.
They're trying to say, hey, if you ever go to a Trump rally, if you ever support MAGA, if you ever join this populist movement, we're going to make your life hell.
Every aspect of it.
And people are going to fight back.
We're going to get our arms more around this so we can help guide people and offer them a direction of what to do.
OK, they've got to make the decision themselves, but we'll make sure all the information is out there.
This is outrageous.
AOC.
Jack, you blew her up the other day.
This is the reason this story became big.
Now she's not just doubling down, she's tripling down.
Mr. Jack Posobiec, what say you?
jack posobiec
Look, AOC went out there the other day and compared herself to a war veteran, alright?
AOC who never served a day in the military, who never wore the uniform.
I served in the military, many people who served in the military, many people, no friends that didn't make it back from combat or new people that came back or not quite right people.
Also have been dealt with, unfortunately, this huge epidemic of veteran-related suicides, 22 per day.
So for her to come out here and say that she's the same as one of these combat veterans, these war veterans, it's absolutely disgraceful and it's offensive to the veteran community.
And nobody's saying that we're attacking her for how she felt that day, but let's go back to the timeline, right?
Because we know that at 1 p.m., That's when the doc was coming on her door.
Yet it wasn't until 1.50, and the New York Times put this out in their timeline, that that's when the Capitol was breached.
So this is almost an hour before, and she's claiming that she thought that people were coming into her office, when that hadn't happened yet.
In fact, what they said was, it actually ended up being an evacuation due to the pipe bomb that was found at the RNC, which is blocks and blocks away.
No one had made it into the Capitol building at that point, and certainly no one ever made it into the Cannon Office building or the Longworth building.
So we know definitively that AOC is not being truthful with us.
And furthermore, what she's doing is she's attempting, as I just said, to use this to weaponize against her political opponents who led the charge for the cancellation and the de-platformization of Parler with Amazon Web Services, Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter, she is using this to go after all of her constituents.
And meanwhile, she's talking about her personal situation.
You don't hear her talking about the division, the atomization, the balkanization in this country, or the fact that last time I checked, she's the representative for New York City, right?
One of the New York City representatives, which just saw a 50% increase.
In the homicide rate from 2019 to 2020, what about the trauma of your own constituents?
What about the aid that you promised them, $2,000 checks?
Where is any of your concern for your fellow constituents?
Do your job, Congresswoman.
Stop trying to cancel your political opponents.
steve bannon
She had all of her followers put all the, in the Twitter feed, put all the pictures of the animals and said, we have your back.
So to make sure that any of the negative comments couldn't get up there, but her, I just want you to answer what she's saying.
And Jack, I think she's accusing you and the other people that are focused on this as saying by denigrating her, whether it's an embellishment or even a lie that you're intimidating other people from coming forward and sharing their, their stories are, are, are getting help.
I mean, does that wash in your, in your mind?
jack posobiec
No, it absolutely doesn't, Wash, because what she's doing is it's almost like she's having a competition with these other congressmen out there.
You had this one Democrat congressman.
What was his name?
It was it was Rep.
Dean Phillips.
He's out there and apologizing to AOC for failing to recognize his privilege as a white man.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
This is the business of the House of Representatives right now.
You know, my issue with her isn't that she has trauma or that she has experienced something.
The issue is that she's using it for political grandstanding and silencing of her opponents.
If she really is serious about this, then I would urge her to come forward with veterans, meet with them, actually sit down with counselors, with all of the counselors that the military has, go to the House Armed Services Committee, talk to them, get expectations, get understanding of what it's actually like and become a champion.
For them.
There's a right way and a wrong way to do this, and political grandstanding and trying to cancel your opponents is not it.
steve bannon
Yeah, I know a lot of our audience know that we focus on the signal, not the noise.
A lot of people are saying, why are you spending so much time on AOC?
It's not their normal story.
Here's the reason.
It's given her power in the progressive wing.
People have to understand, in this city, she is one of the most powerful people in Congress.
In addition, she's by far the most powerful person as far as new media goes and social media.
And this is the first time I think she's come close to jumping the shark.
And it's the reason I think people like Raheem Kassam and Jack Posobiec are spending so much time on the story.
Let me pivot.
Molly Ball at Time Magazine.
Time Magazine, in its kind of repurposing, has become, I think, the best narrative setter on the left.
They were the ones that came out with the cover story right around the time of the election called The Great Reset, talking about the Party of Davos and this Great Reset.
Today, they published on Molly Ball, one of the best writers I had, formerly of Politico, It's a 6,500 word analysis piece and essay called The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election.
Jack Posobiec, we didn't have you on this morning, but I want to get your thoughts on this seminal piece.
jack posobiec
This piece reads like a confession letter.
You know, this is like when the suspect goes back to the scene of the crime after something happened and is there willing to bask in the glory of what they did.
It's everyone coming together Trying to take credit for this.
And you see again and again, they never talk about supporting Joe Biden.
They never talk about supporting progressive ideals, helping the little guy, helping the worker.
No, it's all about shutting down Trump, shutting down democracy, using the levers of some of the most powerful institutions in the United States.
I'm not even upset with Molly Ball.
I'm glad that she wrote this story.
I applaud her for writing this story, for revealing to all of us how it actually works.
Behind the curtain, the fact that all of these discussions, these Zoom calls are going on.
And if you go back on the timeline, finding out that all of this began in October 2019, November 2019.
They were bringing Zuckerberg into this.
They knew a year out from the election, months before COVID crossed anyone's lips, that they were going to be changing the rules.
They were going to be changing the game when it comes to social media.
That gives us finally the answer.
Why was it that Facebook took down the New York Post immediately?
When they published the Hunter Biden story from that laptop, the hard drive from hell, why did they take it down immediately?
It was all planned a year in advance.
steve bannon
This, you know, we always make the comment, there's no conspiracies, but there are also no coincidences.
However, she's pretty upfront.
I mean, the piece that's missing had this articles is nothing about the Biden campaign.
And I think a little bit that this is this group coming together to say to the world, hey, we just want to make sure you understand the Biden guys are completely hapless.
This was us.
We did this.
Talk, they actually mentioned a cabal and they said this would feed if you if it had come into war room pandemic it'd be the you know the the fever dream of the far right.
How shocked were you that that so many people participated so many people talked to her and they're a little bit in your grill about how this went down?
jack posobiec
Again, I'm not shocked at all.
I think this is it's human nature to want to take credit for when you pull one over so that they know hey they leave a little message to say it was us that got you.
But I'd like to ask, where's Bernie Sanders on all of this?
Senator Sanders, these are the same people that took your election away in the primary of 2016.
We already had all the emails that came out on that.
They did the same thing in 2020 to shut down the populist left.
So if you're a Bernie Sanders supporter, if you're a Bernie bro, if you're somebody who's, yeah, you don't like Trump, you're not a fan of MAGA, but you're also not a fan of, remember, the 1%.
Here's the 1% in your face telling you how they did it.
They're celebrating it, they're applauding themselves, they're giving each other a slap on the back, and they're showing you how the world works.
This goes back to everything that we talked about with Robinhood and the hedge funders, Janet Yellen and the SEC.
I said a week ago that she was going to be going after them.
That's exactly what we see when she comes out of the gate.
Now, this is what it's all about.
It's a rigged system behind closed doors, behind the curtain, and you are the one who has to just shut up and take it.
steve bannon
Jack Posobiec is the young reporter over at One American News, one of the hottest news networks out there.
Jack, give people your social coordinates.
In particular, I want everybody to follow Jack on Twitter, and follow him closely, because that's breaking news all day long.
What's your Twitter handle?
jack posobiec
Yes, Twitter at Jack Posobiec, P-O-S-O-B-I-E-C, and also check us out on Telegram.
Huge chat over on the Telegram site, lots of discussions.
steve bannon
Jack, thank you very much for joining us.
That's Jack Posobiec from One American News.
Okay, short commercial break.
Peter Navarro's coming in.
Dr. Navarro's going to talk about the evidence again of the trial next week.
Also, he's got some very perceptive comments about Time Magazine.
Back in a moment.
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steve bannon
Okay, a time for a little mid-show discussion here.
Instruction to the audience, particularly RBowler01 in the live chat.
Just Earth to War Room staff and Molly fangirls.
What they did didn't work.
They won because of the election fraud you're ignoring on this episode.
Signal.
Please, sir, we understand that they stole the election with the election fraud.
That's what Boris talked about.
Navar is going to talk about.
Get focused.
They're bragging about how they did it.
Sir, Mr. R. Bowler, have you read the article?
No, Mr. Bannon, I haven't read the article.
Mr. Bowler, go read the article.
Read the article.
We need people to read the article if it's popping off in the live chat.
Read the article.
I'm now going to turn to Peter Navarro.
The article is the secret history of the shadow campaign that saved The 2020 election.
We understand they saved it for themselves by stealing it from Donald J. Trump, who just won a massive victory.
That part we got.
But you've got to read the article because they're up in their grill about how they did it.
Now, Dr. Navarro, for Mr. Bowler and others, I want you to explain your take on that article.
By the way, your backgrounds have now become legendary.
Is that background the actual cover of Time magazine?
peter navarro
Indeed it is, yes.
Yes, and it says, an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans.
Read Tom Donahue, one of the most disgusting swamp creatures who's the head of the Chamber of Commerce.
And good God, Richard Trumka at the AFL-CIO getting in bed together.
To take out President Donald J. Trump, the best thing that ever happened to blue-collar workers in America?
I mean, I get it.
I get what Donahue wants to do, but what Trumka did?
I mean, come on.
Now, look, here's the thing.
I got a little different take than Posobiec on this Molly Ball thing.
It's like, yeah, we're glad she did it, but in effect, she's a useful idiot for Donald J. Trump right now.
I mean, publishing that before the impeachment trial, basically laying that out, you take that article, And it's basically everything I did in the Navarro Report, the three volumes of that, where first of all we got the election irregularities across the six battleground states, and then we got the Democrats' strategy to stuff the ballot box by changing all the laws and the rules, bending and breaking the law, and then having this flood
of illegal votes in volume three that we categorize.
It's like you look at the data over here in the Navarro report and then Molly Ball tells you exactly how they did it.
I mean it's like that's gotta be part of the trial right now.
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on, hang on for the audience too.
Mr. Ball and others hang on, hang on.
They know, right now, they see in War Room, we're banging the tables.
I'm in Politico, it's on Daily Mail.
They made, I think, the top story of the day, or part of the day, that we're arguing, Navarro, Boris Epstein, Jack Posovic, Steve Bannon, others, that you've got to deliver this.
I think Ball and those guys are coming out saying, it doesn't look like he's going to defend it, so why don't we show you how we did it?
If you add that, the Molly Ball piece, to the New York Times' 77 Days, they say it's the big lie versus the big steal.
peter navarro
Okay, so Molly Ball may be able to close the deal that you and I couldn't, to actually get the President over the hump to go in with the affirmative defense, leave Lindsey Graham at the curb, leave Mitch McConnell at the curb, leave his lawyer Bruce Hirschman That guy needs to kind of like be put on a boat and sent to Cuba.
He's got no place around the president.
He's the worst guy in terms of advice that the president has ever had.
But Mali may be able to close the deal.
And if you take the Mali ball piece, and then you look at that beautiful 30 tyrants piece, which you've been talking about, that in and of itself kind of explains How, what the meta-structure is of the social media oligarchs, the traditional oligarchs of Michael Bloomberg, the academic elites.
Everybody, I mean, I think you should on a Saturday show, Steve, like take an hour or two and have an entire special and just walk through that thing paragraph by paragraph by paragraph.
Name names.
You got the think tanks here in Washington.
I call them the idea launderers, right?
Like they get money from China and they launder these ideas that somehow China's a good kind of thing.
So this was like a really big day.
And you juxtapose that against the economic news that came out today, where we got like an anemic jobs report, and you can lay that right... Hold it, hang on, hang on, hang on, Navarro, hang on, don't get too, no, no, don't get too, no, no, I'm gonna get to that in a second.
I'm all excited today.
Molly Ball gave us a sweet kiss.
She's got us hot today.
steve bannon
If you were sitting with the President and Lindsey Graham, and I want to take another data point.
On the Lindsey deal is the letter delivered by the House yesterday for him to be a witness, right?
If they were just going to get through this thing and beat him up for about being, I want to combine the being a witness with the molly ball, laying out exactly how they ran the tables on basically stealing this, right?
And President Trump having every right to sit there and argue this.
How does Lindsey Graham's deal stand up, sir?
peter navarro
Lindsey Graham's deal has never stood up, and if I ever were sitting in the room with Lindsey Graham and the President, it'd be like a conversation when it's Mnuchin and the President.
It's like it'd be about two seconds before I'm going at it.
In harsh words with Lindsey Graham, it's like, this guy is one bad idea after another, going back to the DACA compromise and all of that.
But here's the point, Steve.
If the president has read that Time Magazine article, his head's exploding.
It's exploding even worse than when he read the Jamie Raskin thing, oh, come testify.
Under oath and we're going to make a fool out of you.
So again, this could be, Molly Ball could close the deal better than Steve Bannon or Peter Navarro or Steve Cortez.
unidentified
That would be amazing and a useful idiot.
peter navarro
Molly Ball, a useful idiot.
steve bannon
The left loves irony.
unidentified
It's the law of unintended consequences.
Yes.
steve bannon
I want to go though, I want to go to the jobs report to listen.
Joe Scarborough and other people have a different take on this.
They say it's it's Donald Trump's last jobs report and that Peter Navarro and Donald Trump single-handedly collapsed the economy.
What say you, sir?
peter navarro
I say this, you know, I went back and looked at my notes after that thing came out and here's here's the thing, Steve.
You can draw a straight line back to May, May of 2020.
Where we began.
to get these negotiations for this Phase 4 Stimulus and Relief Bill, which they're trying to pass now.
Okay, think about that now.
That's back in May.
Pelosi made a deal with the devil.
Classic devil's bargain.
She said, look, I'm not going to let them pass any Stimulus and Relief Bill now, because if I do that, that's a victory for Trump, and it'll help him win.
So I'm going to hold that back.
Here's the thing.
Janet Yellett said the most important word In in economic history for 2021, she said scarring.
She said there's permanent scarring in the economies because of what Pelosi did when Pelosi refused to pass that stimulus bill back in May and June and July.
What she did was have six months of killing off hundreds and hundreds of thousands of small businesses which aren't coming back.
That's the thing.
No switch here, Steve.
You can't turn a switch on and bring these businesses suddenly back to life.
Once they're gone, they're gone.
So we're going to have 2020.
I call it the year of the big short.
We're going to have a situation where Structural unemployment in these service sectors, these folks that are stranded in entertainment and restaurants and all of that, they're not going to be able to transition into the other part of the economy.
So we're actually going to have some labor shortage issues with 10 million people unemployed, right?
But it's what we call an economic structural unemployment.
So we're going to have, we're setting up perfectly, and I use the word loosely, for a stagflation scenario and it's gonna be the big short and it's look Joe Scarborough learn some economics here dude go back and look at your your clips back in May and June and July when Pelosi when Pelosi wouldn't pass a stimulus and relief bill we were ready to roll it didn't roll By the way, breaking news.
steve bannon
And this shows you the power of Dr. Peter Navarro.
Breaking news.
Scoop from Axios.
Thomas Donahue to leave U.S.
Chamber of Commerce.
I'm not kidding you.
Just announced.
Oh baby!
peter navarro
Molly Ball did him too!
unidentified
I'm sure it's longer than the works.
Oh, boy.
I'm telling you, there are no coincidences, Steve Bannon.
peter navarro
No conspiracies, no coincidences.
steve bannon
Tom, boom, baby!
unidentified
See that, baby?
steve bannon
Peter Navarro gives you stink eyes.
unidentified
Boom!
peter navarro
Boom baby!
See that baby up there? Boom!
steve bannon
The Axios scoop actually fails to mention the 8.5 million dollars that Peter Navarro mentioned.
So Peter, you really got one there.
Peter, I want to go back.
We got a couple of minutes though, but you talked about economic scarring, and I think people need to hear this from you.
You know, Fauci's running around, he's talking about it now.
Yeah, no, he's talking about, you know, these vaccines and all this.
We go back to the very beginning.
A year ago, in January, we started the show.
You're one of the first guys, obviously, that, you know, you know a lot of people in China.
You know, you took it just as seriously as we did.
You fought Fauci from day one.
This permanent scarring, what stuns me is that the elites of both parties, except for Donald Trump, Peter Navarro, basically the guys that got sanctioned.
Pompeo, Pottinger, Bannon, Navarro got sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party, right?
As a warning, if you come up against us and want to confront us, this is what's going to happen to you.
Talk about this permanent scarring.
What has the Chinese Communist Party virus done to the economy and the workers of the United States?
peter navarro
So the concept here is you start with small businesses, right?
These were the businesses that were at the front lines of the CCP virus getting knocked down and that was exacerbated by the Democratic leadership out in the States.
Who pursued the lockdown strategy, which we now know, ex post, really wasn't effective in lowering the spreading and seeding of the virus.
There's some irony there.
So what we had was a situation where we really had a fine opportunity.
I worked with people like Kevin Hassett, Tyler Goodspeed, and the president himself.
We wanted to have that phase four bill starting back In May and June and July as a way of saving small businesses and their employees.
And when that bill wasn't passed because of Nancy Pelosi's devil's bargain, what that did was we've seen like small businesses by the hundreds of thousands just gone.
And the point is that you can't get them back.
Now, the other part of that, Steve, is that collides with these structural adjustments that are going on in this economy right now where the CCP virus is like a neutron bomb on our major metropolitan areas, wiping out the three pillars, essentially, of urban life.
You get the high-rise commercial properties, you got mass transit, and you got big sports and entertainment districts.
Those are the things that drive major cities like New York.
And the CCP virus has basically hit that like a neutron bomb.
So all of these service sector refugees are trying to find jobs at the same time that small business is going out of business.
And so what you risk here is a situation where you've got still over 10 million people unemployed, who are structurally unemployed in many cases, and the businesses around won't have it.
steve bannon
Not a good situation.
Peter, hang on for one second.
I just want to bring you back over the break very quickly to finish this answer.
We're taking a short commercial break.
Back with Dr. Peter Navarro.
We're also going to have the author, Michael Walsh, talking about this masculinity crisis that's now hitting China.
All next, War Room Pandemic.
unidentified
And you are over.
Cause we're taking down the CCTV.
Spread the word all through Hong Kong.
We will fight till they're all gone.
We rejoice when there's no more.
Let's take down the CCTV.
War Room Pandemic with Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
you Dr. Peter Navarro, if the 45th President of the United States who just finished his first term was to call you tonight and say, could you come to Mar-a-Lago tomorrow with the Navarro reports and support an augmented team of lawyers I have that they are going to actually, besides arguing just the Constitution and what happened on January 6th, go back to November 3rd and discuss the big lie in detail.
One, do you have the receipts and are you prepared to go, sir?
peter navarro
Yes and yes.
It's critical, Steve, that we have an affirmative defense next week on Capitol Hill.
It has to be done.
The Navarro Report, three volumes, Art of the Steal, A Grand Deception, and Trump One.
You know what I'll do is I'll put Molly Ball's article as an appendix and the 30 Tyrants article.
It's all you need with Matt Gaetz leading the charge.
PeterNavarro.com.
PeterNavarro.com.
You can download the report.
Go to Real P. Navarro on Twitter, and you can get it there as well if that's easier.
steve bannon
I want everybody to go now and crash the site, and Mr. Bowler and others, I want everybody to read this report this weekend.
I need you to read the report, I need you to read 30 Tyrants by Lee Smith, and I need you to read The Secret History by Molly Ball, Time Magazine.
Dr. Navarro, thank you very much for joining us on a Friday.
peter navarro
Aye aye, Captain.
steve bannon
Okay, we pride ourselves of signal not noise and being ahead seeing as Wellington wanted his officers, young officers, to see over the other side of the hill.
For months we've been talking about this book Last Stands by Michael Walsh.
You guys made it a bestseller.
Why men fight when all is lost.
But on the cover from the great Victor Davis Hanson is a pull quote to basically push the book.
It says, a philosophical and spiritual defense of physical courage and of masculinity and self-sacrifice in an age when those ancient virtues are too often caricatured and dismissed.
Today, in the New York Times, the beloved paper of record of our republic, one of the top stories, a masculinity crisis.
Question mark.
China says the boys are not all right.
China says the boys are not all right.
Michael Walsh, you started this book years ago.
You were ahead of something.
What is this problem?
A global problem with masculinity in young men.
michael walsh
Well, Steve, you can see that the Chinese are now concerned about it as well.
They should be.
They have an enormous imbalance between boys and girls in that country.
They have to do something with the young men.
They've put them in the army, and now they're finding out there's no masculinity left.
And even in China, in their boys, the piece of the Times today came out and said, they're weak, they're timid, they're effeminate, and this is not a good thing.
They don't want to be war heroes anymore, one of the Chinese spokesmen said.
And I thought, wow, here's exact proof positive of the thesis that I expounded in Last Stands about what makes men, men.
And why they fight to the end.
If the Chinese are nervous about this, the whole world should be.
steve bannon
This is what we hear about toxic masculinity and bro culture.
And one of the things that's pushed in modern culture, in the movies and everything, is camaraderie and this bro culture among men.
A lot of this kind of false bravado a lot of times.
So what is the problem?
When obviously somehow in marketing people understand you've got to push this.
Why from the West, the Judeo-Christian West, all the way to Confucius, China, why do we have this kind of global epidemic in the loss of masculinity?
michael walsh
I would think it has to do with third-wave feminism, Steve.
It's something you and I have talked about.
My next book is going to be about, in part, third-wave feminism and its destructive impact on the country and the world.
I think the media amplifies this stuff.
If you remember back in the 70s, and we're old enough to remember that, Alan Alda was the new sensitive male, and we used to make fun of him.
Well, the Alan Aldas of the world took over, and they've raised sons and now grandsons.
And these are guys that are weak.
The American Army, Steve, is having trouble finding, even with their lowered physical standards, is having trouble finding men that can handle the job.
And of course, they've done that down by allowing women into combat as well, so they've had to reduce the standards.
A feminized country is a dead country.
That's the problem.
steve bannon
Look, I know you and I disagree on some of this.
My daughter did go to West Point and served in the 101st in Iraq, and Title IX sports, I think, was the beginning of her team sports camaraderie.
It was a great building block, and one way she got into West Point.
I know we disagree on that, but even with that said, Is it just that we've lost the basic lessons?
And in Last Stance, we've got about two minutes left, what is it you try to show that through world cultures, because you go through many cultures here, what did these cultures have that they passed down this positive form of masculinity?
michael walsh
Right, well that's exactly it.
About your daughter, I don't have any problem with women in the military per se, so let's make that quite clear.
It's just the standards and the physicality of war, I'm saying, is essentially a masculine occupation.
Now The Last Stand starts with the Greeks at Thermopylae and runs all the way up to the Korean War.
And the way men have been trained by their fathers is to be like their fathers, to be strong, to be dominant.
I have a brief anecdote in my book about my own father jumping in a shell hole at the Pusan perimeter in Korea and looking around at a bunch of dead bodies and a few live soldiers.
And he said, who's in charge here?
And they said, you are, sir.
And he was 24 years old.
Men take command.
They organize.
They fight.
They work together, and these virtues have been slowly beaten out of them as toxically masculine.
The Romans wouldn't have put up with this, and they didn't.
The Greeks wouldn't have.
The Christians and the Muslims fighting over Central Europe in the 15th, 16th, 17th centuries, they didn't put up with it.
All of our great poems, epic stories, are about heroes.
And when you take the masculinity out of heroism, then you've got a real problem.
steve bannon
OK, so Michael, is Amazon restocked?
The book is Last Stands.
It is a powerful book about not just men in combat but the moral courage you need when all is lost.
Michael Walsh is the author.
Michael, can people get it now on Amazon if the order has been restocked?
michael walsh
Yeah, they rushed 20,000-30,000 copies into Amazon.
We're completely available right now.
So please go on Amazon or Barnes and Noble and check it out.
It's right there.
steve bannon
You go read the reviews.
I have not recommended this book to one person that did not love it.
So get it.
And particularly if you've got a young son or a nephew or a grandson, get it for them.
Michael Walsh.
Michael, how can people, I know your columns in the New York Post, how can people keep up to date with you on a daily basis?
michael walsh
Well, I'm in the Epoch Times every week.
I'm an irregular contributor to the New York Post.
And they can find me on Facebook, just look for the Last Stance cover, send me a friend request, be part of the conversation.
I was an early kicked off guy at Twitter, Steve, as you know, and I still haven't been restored to Twitter, but I wear that as a badge of honor at this point.
steve bannon
Michael Walsh, last stanza of the book.
Thank you for joining us on The Crisis of Masculinity in China.
Okay, tomorrow morning we've got Mike Lindell, another patron here.
He's going to talk about this film he put out.
Heads are exploding all over.
We've invited the Dominion and the Smartmatic folks, their spokesmen, etc., to come in and talk to us about their problems they have with the film and things they think are made up or inaccurate.
So hopefully we'll have some of those folks on there if they so deem it.
We've also got a whole special hour on how to join the Republican Party as a precinct man, committee man.
You've got to see that.
We're going to get into the details tomorrow like we did last week with Presley.
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