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Feb. 4, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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EP 705- Pandemic: Referendum in 2022 (w/ Posobiec, Gaetz, Correnti IV, Finchem, Kerik, Cortes)
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matt gaetz
06:57
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steve bannon
20:01
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steve cortes
05:50
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bernard kerik
04:18
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mark finchem
03:51
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nicholas christakis
01:42
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anthony fauci
00:03
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raheem kassam
00:14
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unidentified
Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
nicholas christakis
You don't want to frighten the American public.
unidentified
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
nicholas christakis
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
nicholas christakis
One can think about the COVID-19 pandemic in terms of three phases.
The immediate period, which will last until the end of 2021, approximately.
The intermediate period, which then goes to the end of 2023.
and the post-pandemic period which begins in 2024, approximately.
During the immediate period, we are experiencing the biological and epidemiological shock of the virus.
The virus spreads and spreads and spreads until enough people are infected that we reach, naturally, something known as the herd immunity threshold.
And this is the time of the immediate pandemic period in which we would have to live in a changed world, wearing masks, engaging in physical distancing, having periodic business and school closures, and so on.
During times of plague, it's very typical for people to become more religious.
People stay at home.
People become more abstemious.
It would take about a year, till the end of 2021, before we finally reach this important milestone of herd immunity, either naturally, because the virus kept spreading, or artificially through vaccination.
During the intermediate period, we would have to now recover not from the biological or epidemiological impact of the virus.
We would have to recover from the psychological, social, and economic impact of the virus.
For every person who dies of the pandemic, perhaps five people will be seriously disabled.
Millions of people will need ongoing medical care, even after the immediate mortality impact of the pandemic is behind us.
steve bannon
Okay, right there you're seeing the Journal of the Plague Years.
During this time of plague, that is on CNN, it's a special, we're going to get into much more of it.
In fact, if CNN and others had listened to War Room Pandemic back a year ago in January of the 23rd, 24th, 25th, when we started this, we would not be in the mess we're in today, to be quite honest about it.
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Okay we're going to go from Arizona to Chicago to New York To New Hampshire, covering the nation about the pandemic, crime and politics.
Talk a little bit about geopolitics.
I have the great Richard Barris on later.
Talk about polling.
Does Joe Biden have any political capital and what's the direction where the American people think this thing is going?
I want to start with, though, we've got we're going to go to Wyoming here in a moment to Joey DeCrenta, the fourth up in Carbon County, who started this whole censure process of Liz Cheney.
But we wanted to start where we kind of started yesterday, with Congressman Matt Gaetz, the firebrand, fire-breathing, and I wonder if everybody, give me that book Matt, everybody, we sold so many books yesterday, firebrand is the book, Matt Gaetz is the congressman, and here's what we want to do, he was drinking champagne last night because of that huge victory, and we wanted to have Gaetz in here, no but here's what the interesting thing was,
What went viral during the day was you saying, hey, I think we've got the votes, but leadership's going to figure out some way to chop block us on the vote itself.
And then with the laughing and the beatdown and everything last night is that, hey, they called Gates' bluff, they called these populists' bluff, they essentially called Trump's bluff and the Trump supporters' bluff, and they had a vote.
And they didn't do, according to what the outside story is, they didn't pull any gains.
So before we go talk to the folks in Wyoming, where you just came back from and gave, I think, the best speech of your career, right?
And I don't know if that has any reason that Sergio Gore and Darren Beatty had nothing to do with writing it, right?
Just saying.
matt gaetz
Two brilliant minds.
steve bannon
Two brilliant minds.
What happened last night put us in the room because the American people, particularly the populist movement, needs to know what happened.
matt gaetz
We got crushed!
We got crushed better than two to one.
The eight square miles of Washington DC constitute the highest concentration of power for the establishment.
It's where most of them live.
It's where they do their politics and do their worst many times.
I believe that we had a lot of good family talk about what we expect from our leadership and then right before the vote Kevin McCarthy stood up.
Kevin McCarthy is very popular among the Republicans in Congress.
And he made the referendum on Liz Cheney a referendum on him.
steve bannon
And his leadership.
matt gaetz
He said that he needed the current leadership team, including Liz Cheney, that he needed Liz Cheney to remain as the conference chair, that he thought it would be very bad for us to replace Liz Cheney, and that he thought it would put us in a worse position for 2022.
I have a difference of opinion.
I think that it hurts our prospects in 2022 to have a spokesperson for our group as someone who's deeply unpopular among our voters, who's deeply unpopular among our own voters.
And so I took a different position than Leader McCarthy, but it is very clear.
That not just a majority of the Republican conference, but a super majority of about two-thirds want to keep Liz Cheney, and they are still attached.
steve bannon
They want to keep Liz Cheney if their vote is not out there in public.
Let me just go back, I want to put us back in the room, and I want to leave Congressman Greene off to the side for a second, we're going to get to her.
Because I don't want to have the thing of equivalence.
I think a lot of this got smoked, but I want to go, when people stood up at the microphone, How many people, this is a four hour meeting I understand, right?
matt gaetz
Yeah, I mean almost.
steve bannon
How many people, when they talked, what was the sense of what their attitudes were towards Liz Cheney?
matt gaetz
Frustration that there was no contrition.
And what was interesting is that almost every member that spoke against Liz said that we weren't speaking against Her vote on impeachment specifically, it was the manner in which she did it in the most destructive way to our conference, to the president, to our movement.
And I think that's what hurt people the most.
But I am absolutely convinced, just based on how many people spoke up against her and how the vote went, that people literally spoke against Cheney and then voted for her because Kevin McCarthy went all in and put it all on the line to keep Liz Cheney.
steve bannon
Do you think that, does that wash, does his argument wash that he needs his leadership team?
He's got to have Liz Cheney?
Or is this about the donors and about the K Street guys that are going to fund it?
And you've had corporations, you've had this problem with the corporations cutting off after January 6th.
Is that why he needs her?
Or is it some other reason he needs her?
And does that argument even wash?
matt gaetz
No one in leadership wants to believe that anyone can ever be dislodged from leadership.
It's sort of like, you know, once that is shown, I think all of them view that as a tremendous threat, and they shouldn't.
There's no reason for that.
But you're right.
The number one driving principle In our leadership now, is that these Fortune 100 companies have withheld PAC money.
And when we get on conference calls, our Republican Party leaders say to us, don't worry.
They'll get their senses.
They'll come back.
We just have to love them more.
It's sort of battered spouse syndrome.
We say, it's probably our fault that they don't love us and that they mistreat us.
And if we just love them a little more, they'll give us the affection we desire.
I think the answer should be the opposite.
I'm the only Republican in Congress that doesn't take PAC money.
I think we should say if the PACs and the big corporations want to be with the Democrats, let them have them.
And don't come crawling back to us.
And instead, to go fuel our movement with the people.
unidentified
Yeah, but if you're McCarthy or Cheney, you can't adopt an attitude like that because they can't fundraise from a grassroots level.
Right.
That's just the case.
raheem kassam
What we're dealing with here is a situation where we're expecting different results and different behaviors from people who cannot fundamentally adopt those behaviors because it's not within them to do so.
McCarthy can't go and put out 2,000 people in Wyoming.
steve bannon
this cheney can't even do it in her own district let alone get people to part with their hard-earned dollars for what they represent because what they represent is those fat cat corporations. You had two x crowd that dick cheney, forget her, that dick cheney had you had twice on a bitter cold day also for McCarthy he's got a wounded cheney who is beholden to him because he saved her publicly and throughout the nation instead of having stefanik
who we have to get a few if stefanik took the job he would need a food taster right Ha ha ha.
I mean, really, because she's on the rise, right?
And she now is becoming more and more populist every day as she sees the power of the Trump movement.
So it was definitely McCarthy considering himself before the good of where we're taking this, right?
matt gaetz
I do believe that there is an element of self-preservation in the decisions that were made yesterday by the leaders who stood up for Liz Cheney.
How about that for a generic response?
steve bannon
Here's a fantasy.
Let me tell you a fantasy.
McCarthy ran around and they did much better than I thought they would do.
I'm the first to admit that.
However, that was Donald J. Trump.
Anybody that thinks McCarthy brought this victory, which I really consider a victory in 2020, for the House candidates, what they did, the number of seats you held and took back, that is on the shoulders of Donald J. Trump in this movement.
That is not McCarthy.
McCarthy somehow, he's somehow starting to believe that it is him and his leadership team that does this and looking to 2022.
2022 could be A 2010 Tea Party type massive sweep, if we play this correctly, but it's all going to be dependent on the deplorables.
matt gaetz
But there's an assumption there, Steve.
What I heard time and again at conference last night was, we can't be going after each other because then we'll be weaker in fighting the Democrats.
And I just kept thinking back to 2010 and I'm like, gosh, in 2010 it was a bloodletting in the primaries and one of our best years against the Democrats.
So sometimes a reformation within our own church can help us proselytize better to others.
unidentified
Let me just understand this and summarize for the audience here.
So McCarthy goes down to Mar-a-Lago, asks for the donor list and whatever, right?
Begs the president for his support.
President Trump puts out a nice statement saying, okay, we can work together, focus on 2022.
Then McCarthy immediately flies back to Washington DC, stands in front of the Republican uh... conference and says please support the woman who attacks who's on page the guy who i just bought it was on page two of their other theory of the case but i don't know what happened that is exactly what just happened and and and so he will and the republican base is supposed to walk here just to just yet all your cool this is for the people listening to show how they supposed to process that
steve bannon
i am upset that it was a secret ballot right and i think that that you know if members of congress had to cast a vote for a long time i don't want to criticize the effort but the pitch going in was we needed a secret ballot so the guys could step up and say they could vote against jenny and not be exposed as a That was the theory of the guys whipping this?
matt gaetz
That was not my theory of the case, but there were some that had that theory of the case.
I believe if someone's not with you publicly, they're not with you.
steve bannon
I want everybody in this audience to contact their congressman today, and you should ask their congressman.
Call their office, email their office.
You want to know how they voted.
You understand it's a secret vote?
That's fine, but you're my congressman.
I want to know how you voted on this.
I want to see how many.
Sixty-one, I think, will come forward.
Quickly.
Everybody in this audience today, go forward and do this.
Okay, I want to bring in, now, we're going to go out to Wyoming, to Carbon County, to Joey Carrente IV, the guy that first put this forward as far as the censure of Liz Cheney and what's happening on Saturday.
Joey, we've only got a minute in this segment, I'm going to bring you back over, and I realize you're traveling today, but does anything that happened in Washington last night affect what you guys are going to do on Saturday in Wyoming?
unidentified
I can't say it's not going to have any effect, but what I've seen so far is it's just amplified the concern of the base that we really don't have any support or representation in Washington.
This wasn't a vote for Wyoming by Wyoming.
This was a vote in the House.
You know, you got your K Street Cabal and your Beltway buddies out there making their deals.
And I don't think the voice of Wyoming voters was taken into consideration, but that's OK, because on Saturday, We are going to have our own vote.
And we realize that there's limited effect on that, but I don't see this detracting at all.
And as proof, we had yet another county meeting last night over on the eastern side of the state, where another county censured Liz Cheney shortly after this vote came out of the House of Representatives.
steve bannon
Joey, can you hang on for a second?
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to return in Wyoming with Joey Carrente IV.
Also, we're going to Arizona.
Guess what?
The state senate out there is looking to arrest the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.
We've got Mark Fincham, we're also going to have Miriam Mendoza, an angel mom.
We're going to have Steve Cortez from Chicago, Bernie Kerrick from New York.
The crime wave that's going throughout the nation nobody will talk about.
We've got polling, all of it, and Matt Gaetz in the house.
Next on War Room.
unidentified
War Room Pandemic with Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Dispatches from the front lines of the MAGA revolution.
The book is Firebrand.
The author is Matt Gaetz, and he wrote every word of it.
And more importantly, he's lived every word of it.
The show today is nothing but Firebrands.
We've got Joey Carrente IV from out in Wyoming.
We've got Mark Fincham, state representative in Arizona.
We've got Bernie Carrick up in New York.
Steve Kortes from Chicago.
Matt Palumbo, who runs the Dan Bongino site.
Marian Mendoza.
Richard Barris.
All Firebrands.
Why?
Because they're the people that are making things happen.
Action, action, action.
I want to go back to Joey Corrente IV.
Joey, so another came in last night.
You're heading to this big thing on Saturday.
The whole world's going to be watching because they said, hey, Washington D.C.
voted last night, K Street voted, and they voted for Liz Cheney.
They, quite frankly, Don't care what you have to say.
You're just a bunch of cowboys out in Wyoming, right?
You're just a little guy.
All we want you to do in the Cheney world is pay your taxes, you know, go to work, pay your taxes, and send your kids off to serve their nation in these foreign wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and all over the world.
So what do you think, as you anticipate now, is this last night going to hurt your momentum or is it going to build momentum?
unidentified
I think it's absolutely going to amplify what we're doing because what we're doing has nothing to do with Any of the concerns that Washington has that you just mentioned, we're reawakening the voice of the people and bringing it back to the power inherent in the people.
So when things like this happen, I mean, this was, you know, if you look at it as a single vote, it was a referendum, you know, over 60% voted to retain Representative Cheney in her leadership position.
But she wasn't going to get pulled out of the House of Representatives no matter what, even if she lost her position.
Our vote on Saturday, It's not going to be that massive referendum of, you know, damnation or salvation for anybody.
What it is is a process that's taking us to the ballot box in 2022, where the real referendum will happen and where the voices will be heard.
And it's going to happen across the nation.
It's not just going to be here in Wyoming.
Things like this have started to really wake up the populace and make them realize not only do they have the ability, but they have the responsibility.
You take care of this at the ballot box and make sure that every day between now and then is as uncomfortable and as painful as possible for them to ignore us and continue business as usual.
steve bannon
Joey, how did people get access to your social media coordinates webpage so they can find out more?
We're going to try to broadcast live at least the start of the festivities on Saturday out in Wyoming on our Saturday show.
How do people get to you?
unidentified
Well, you can always get a hold of the Wyoming Republican Party at wyoming.gop.
And then we're running a 98,000% increase on our site contact on Facebook on Carbon County, Wyoming Republican Party.
So we're definitely working the social media as much as we can.
And the word has gotten out.
I get calls from all over the country all the time.
You know, definitely reach out.
We love having everybody's support, but we want to find a way to get in touch with people that are interested in doing this in their own communities and strengthening their own grassroots voices, because 2022 is going to be here before you know it.
steve bannon
Brother, thank you so much.
Joey Carrenta.
Thank you, from Wyoming.
I want everybody in this audience to go to that site now to visit it, to learn from it, to support it.
Before we go to Arizona, we've got good news here, folks.
We've got good news coming, okay?
Just hang on.
By the way, that's good news.
Because you know why?
That's the voice of the people.
That's Vox Populi talking about what?
The Great Awakening.
The Great Awakening.
The scales are coming off the American people's eyes, and I'm telling you, 2022 is going to be like 2010.
And I'm saying, hey, gaze away from November 3rd.
We've got to vet that.
And yesterday Matt Gaetz on this show, which went viral, volunteered to resign his seat in Congress to go defend the president.
We're going to ask Bernie Kerrick about that in a few minutes.
But I want to go back to last night.
You've heard, you were out in Wyoming.
You had the biggest crowd they've ever had for a political event that didn't have a rodeo attached to it.
You gave a fire-breathing speech with almost a thousand people in a bitter cold out there, and with Cheyenne, right?
You were in Cheyenne, and you hear Joey, and we have these Chairman on all the time, it's all the same message.
Where do you think we stand in this?
matt gaetz
Well, remember, Eric Cantor would have been re-elected as a Republican leader even after his voters threw him out.
I mean, you know, inside Washington, D.C., there is always a preference for the establishment, K Street-favored person, for committee chairmanships, for leadership, for the things that bring trappings.
Inside the beltway, but what Joey I think accentuated is that this populist battle is one that we are going to have to engage in throughout the country outside of Washington DC and the Republicans, you know say to us Oh, well, you know, we can't be fighting each other because we can't fight the Democrats It's my expectation that the only way we win is if we are worthy of winning Donald Trump showed us that and we'll be worthy through the great work of Joey and other Patriots throughout the country who are trying to get better representatives in Washington
steve bannon
And Joey said right there, it's our responsibility.
I want to go, OK, so listen, don't think we're saying, oh, just focus on 2022.
It's here and now.
And let's go to, because the wound of November 3rd has not been healed.
In fact, it's only getting, I think, more infected because the Democrats and mainstream media do not want to address it.
Unfortunately, I think President Trump's lawyers, although I agree with what they're doing on the parts of the Constitution, they're not addressing it either.
They're taking the Lindsey Graham-Mitch McConnell strategy, which we adamantly oppose.
But I want to go now to a victory about November 3rd.
I want to bring in Mark Fincham.
Mark, explain to us, because the Associated Press has got a story, I think the headline says, the State Senate of Arizona is kind of working on some sort of order to arrest the commissioners who run Maricopa County.
Can you explain to our audience what's happening?
mark finchem
Good morning, Steve.
So the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors served a couple of subpoenas.
A lot of that was resultant from the November 30 hearing that we had, which set up the Senate hearing.
My hat is off to my colleague, Senator Sonny Borelli, over on the other side of the plaza.
He's been wrangling this thing and driving it, really driving it through the Senate.
President Karen Fann issued yesterday Senate Resolution 1005, which basically says All five Maricopa County supervisors are in contempt of the Arizona Senate for failing to comply with the subpoena executed by the President of the Arizona Senate.
And, they have repeatedly and willfully delayed and obstructed a vital and duly authorized investigation by the Arizona Senate.
The consequences of that are, we will come arrest you.
Monday morning, after this, so there's some process things that have to happen, but the resolution was introduced yesterday.
They first and second read it.
It's got to be a couple of days before we can actually have third read on it, which means Monday, they'll be able to have the vote on the floor.
Once that passes, the Senate president will instruct the Sergeant at Arms to go to their offices and arrest them.
Hang on.
steve bannon
Hang on.
Can a Sergeant-at-Arms, are you actually saying, because I love this, are you actually saying that the State Senate of Arizona is so worked up on this now, guys who would not have a special session so we could actually get all this out in November just saying, they're so worked up now, Because the supervisors are fighting them.
They're actually going to pass something, because the subpoena has been blown off, to send the sergeant-at-arms over to arrest the supervisors of Maricopa County, which, people should understand, is Phoenix.
And I think 65% of the population of the state, the great state of Arizona, which is 11 electoral votes.
Is that what you're telling me?
mark finchem
That is exactly what I'm telling you.
And here's evidence of that.
Let me read a post that one of the supervisors put out yesterday.
Not only is it illegal under Arizona state law for the board to turn over custody of the ballots, it is also unfathomable that the Arizona Senate has hired a known and frequent debunked conspiracy theorist to conduct the audit.
They don't even know who's going to do the audit.
Operational security.
We have not communicated, the Senate has not communicated, who's actually going to do the audit.
So if they weren't terrified of what's going on, he wouldn't have put that tweet out.
And here's another problem.
This is fairly new since we talked yesterday.
There's a requirement in Arizona law that the ballots themselves are to be placed in the custody of the state treasurer after the canvassing of the ballot, so the official sign-off on the ballot.
That never happened.
The state treasurer has been subpoenaed also to produce the ballots.
He basically told the Senate, look, I'd love to comply.
I don't have them yet.
They haven't been sent to me.
That's class due misdemeanor.
steve bannon
Okay, I just want to make sure everybody understands this, because CNN and the New York Times on the 77 days, you know, the 77 days of Trump's illegal effort, the five-pillar surprise one is a set of 10,000 words, seven pages of our beloved paper of record of our republic, the New York Times, says there's all lies, it's all baseless, there's no facts, there's no evidence,
And yet in Arizona, the State Senate, the duly elected body, is about to arrest an elected body of Maricopa County Supervisors because the Maricopa County Supervisors, and let me just simplify it, don't want to turn over the machines and the ballots for actual inspection of somebody that the State Senate says should be their consultants or their advisors.
Is that it in a nutshell?
mark finchem
In a nutshell, yeah.
So, I mean, you're not going to issue that subpoena.
Without probable cause.
Well, November 30th gave us more than probable cause.
In fact, it gave us clear and convincing.
I know Matt Gaetz is going to get this.
It's like, what else do we need to show you?
We have the receipts.
Now we want to have the things that created the receipts.
And I think that the Senate has just, yeah, there were a lot of people early on that were very skeptical.
Okay, the more these guys slow walk this, the more they subvert, the more they obfuscate, the more they refuse to comply with subpoena after subpoena, with deadline after deadline, court cases, lawyering up, all of that garbage.
Even the ones who were skeptical are now saying, you know where there's smoke, there's probably fire.
Well now this has gone from just a small grass fire to a forest fire.
This state is lit up.
The polity here is not, this ain't going away.
I've said that so many times.
It ain't going away until we are able to... And this isn't about President Trump, by the way.
This is about a free and fair election.
Because if we can't rely on our stuff... We've got to bounce.
steve bannon
Give it real quickly.
You've got 15 seconds.
Give us your social media accounts.
Everybody wants to follow this.
How did it get to you?
mark finchem
The only place I'm at now is on Gab because I got basically in jail for everything else.
At AZ Honeybadger on Gab.
unidentified
Of course.
steve bannon
Thank you very much for coming.
Okay, brother.
I tell you what.
They're fighting in the hinterland of this nation.
Do not give up.
The fight is now.
Gates, Kassam Bannon, back in a second.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
With Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon, and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, during the times of plague, you've got to keep focused.
Action, action, action.
Gates, what do you think?
Here's Arizona, they're fighting like crazy, now they're getting engaged.
Bernie's got some details about this, what happened.
Your thoughts.
matt gaetz
Certainly would have been nice to have a little more action a little earlier from our friends in Arizona.
My thought is that I'm shocked that AZ Honeybadger was even available on Gab.
steve bannon
I want to go to Bernie Carrick.
Bernie, give us some background.
You know Fincham.
You guys were out there with Rudy.
It had the huge hearing.
I think it went 14 hours.
You were all over the Maricopa County guys at the time.
To Gates' point, why didn't this happen back in November?
It was, I think, the third week in November.
You guys were out there.
Maricopa County was all engaged, or at least some.
Why didn't this happen back then instead of happening now in the first couple weeks of February?
bernard kerik
Well, what's funny is to watch it from today, you know, I know and anybody that was with me on the legal team knows that if it wasn't for Fincham and Borelli, this thing would have been swept under the rug back then because Fan didn't want to do anything.
All of a sudden, now she's on board and now she gets it.
But at that time, Steve, I actually had the Maricopa County Commissioner in an office 35 feet away from the Senate hearing where we were sitting, went into that office, spoke to him, he was gonna go back to Maricopa County, give us access to the machines, give us access to the ballots, walked out of the room, and we never heard from him again.
So, I don't know what happened when he got back to Maricopa County, but the whole thing went south.
And if it wasn't for Borrelli and Fincham, This thing would have been over back in November.
steve bannon
I just have one question, and this is not to disparage Dominion, but here's what I don't understand from the county commissioners.
Why is the Hill they're going to die on?
They're turning over all access and working with the State Senate and getting consultants that everybody can agree to, a third party.
Why is the Hill they're going to die on this argument about the proprietary nature of the software and all this stuff?
This is what the lawyers told them first after you met with them.
Why do you believe, given your knowledge, that supervisors who are publicly elected and control, I think, four to one Republican, why is the Hill they're dying on the protection of the Dominion voting systems and its proprietary software?
bernard kerik
Well look, you have to look at what's been said, what's been reported, the evidence that's been found.
I don't think they want anybody, and keep this in mind Steve, I think this is the bigger picture and this is why Gates is so important here.
There's a bigger picture here.
Nobody wants the American people, the total American people, not just the people who watch Fox, not just the people who watch Newsmax or the War Room.
Nobody wants the entire nation to know what really happened because they would be fuming.
They would be outraged.
And I think there are Republicans.
There's plenty of Democrats, but there are Republicans, too, that are trying to stop this from going forward, just like the impeachment.
Just like we're not going to talk about the stolen election in the impeachment, which is nonsense.
steve bannon
There's definitely Republicans, because that's the argument I make when guys talk about insurrection.
I can say, hey, look, last time I looked in Georgia, all the executives were Republican.
The House and the Senate are Republicans, just like in Arizona.
And all the assemblies, all the state legislatures in random states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania all happen to be Republican.
It was all Republican establishment.
matt gaetz
Hey Bernie, this is Matt Gaetz.
I remember in 2018 watching Democrats try to execute on some of these tactics to have a large number of unaccounted for mail-in ballots in the state of Florida try to rob the victory from Ron DeSantis and from Rick Scott.
We were able to catch them in the act bringing some of these large trucks in late at night and we were able to disrupt that effort.
Now we saw it on a far grander scale The ability to catch them in the act was not something we had, so we're having to do it afterwards.
My question to you is this.
What do you think is the next evolution of this fraud?
Are they going to run the same plays out of the same playbook?
You've got an investigative background.
What should we be looking for?
Because here's my fear, and we had a little bit of a disagreement about this on The War Room.
Once the fraud has happened, Once they've stolen it, it is just so incredibly hard to go back and reverse engineer an election.
steve bannon
The reason your answer is important, a third of the deplorables are curled up in the bed in the fetal position because they say it doesn't matter anymore.
I don't need elections.
Don't talk about 2022 because you haven't solved the problem of stealing.
Once they steal it first, you're never going to reverse it.
Bernie?
bernard kerik
Here's, here's, there's two problems.
One, you have to fix the system now, before we get to 2022, because you're gonna have the same thing we did in, say, let's say, Philadelphia or Pittsburgh, where they basically stopped every Republican observer.
We went into a court, the court said you have to let them in.
We went back in.
They said, no, we're still not letting you in.
We called the sheriff.
The sheriff said, I'm not enforcing the order and we were left out in the cold.
You know what?
The courts are going against us.
They're in Democratic strongholds.
If you don't fix this, if Matt Gaetz and people like him aren't out there doing what they're doing today, this thing is never going to get fixed.
And it's up to legislators to get it done.
steve bannon
But this is where it gets fixed.
That's why you've got to be in the well of the Senate next week arguing this.
If you're not there, I know your staff's heads blown off.
If you're not there arguing this and bringing up what Bernie just said about Philadelphia, bringing in the evidence in Maricopa County, hammering, hammering, hammering in front of the nation because we know 81% of the Republicans believe this is illegitimate or illegal.
40% of the American people.
And why?
Because those people have been exposed to the Bernie Kerricks and the Rudys and the Mark Finchams and guys around the nation that talk about the details of the indefinitely confined in Wisconsin and the early voting scam.
Once the American people, particularly independents, we know now, I think CNN's poll says 30% of independents, once the American people see it adjudicated in a venue historically like the United States Senate, and this would be something like out of the Roman Republic, Right?
You know, Cato the Elder comes back to argue, and I'd bring Trump in too.
It's their prosecution is a TV script.
It's not a legal document.
You're a great lawyer, you know that.
They've written a TV script.
The only way to reverse this is to have the drug... Yes, go ahead.
bernard kerik
Let me say this one thing before Matt starts.
I have a really good recommendation.
I recommend that the president gets rid of all those idiots around him and puts somebody like Matt Gaetz in his office, make him his chief of staff, do something like that.
I'm telling you.
steve bannon
I appreciate the endorsement. I did not work this at Bernie earlier, but that's what I've been saying.
And by the way, I'm not crazy. The people down there are fine. You just need a firebrand by the book.
You need a firebrand down there in Mar-a-Lago. We need a firebrand. What do you say?
matt gaetz
I am not going to offer to quit my job two days in a row on War Room.
Yesterday was enough, but I think, Bernie, we've got to talk tactically about how to do this because you've highlighted the importance of it.
Any senator during this trial can submit any written question that they would like.
So even if President Trump's legal team doesn't intend to put on the evidence of a stolen election before the Senate, We need one senator with the right questions to be able to ripen those issues and we could actually, even if it's not part of the structured, planned defense because of the unique nature of the Senate, we could actually still do it.
We need one senator with good questions.
steve bannon
Matt Gaetz is giving you more Insight Baseball.
Yesterday he talked about he's got a free option here.
Forty-five guys can't vote to convict because they've already voted as unconstitutional.
So the most votes he can get to convict are the five.
He's free.
The Lindsey Graham argument, and you saw Senator Kramer from North Dakota, it doesn't wash.
You can't vote for that.
The other inside baseball is what Gates just said, because remember last time in the impeachment they're asking all these questions.
Hey, you don't have to follow the script, you just ask a question.
By the way, I see where a big part of the indictment is taken from the New York Times, your 77 days.
I got a question.
Do you have any thoughts about these 77 days?
unidentified
Whoa!
steve bannon
You can answer right there.
You have to be ready to answer.
unidentified
Yeah, but they're not going to.
steve bannon
Well, hang on.
Not so quick there, shipmate.
We've got many, many, many things here.
Okay, Bernie, I really got to go to a story.
I want Gates in here because he's a great lawyer.
One thing that's not being reported in this country now is the lawlessness that is not just New York City, Chicago, around the nation.
You're former commissioner of New York City Police.
Tell us what's going on.
What do people have to know?
We're going to get Cortez in a minute here from Chicago.
What is going on throughout the nation on the crime side that's not being reported?
bernard kerik
Well, look, just last month there were 51 homicides in Chicago.
51 homicides in a month, in 30 days.
A 63 percent, a 46 percent increase over the prior month.
And here's the big one for me, Steve.
218 carjackings in a month in the city of Chicago.
I don't know who can ride their car around Chicago without getting jacked.
That's a big problem.
Same thing's going on in New York City.
you know, 777 murders in 19, 1531 in 20. Like it's up 44% every year.
Every one of these cities, whether it's Chicago, Atlanta, New York City, Baltimore, Minneapolis, they're all run by Democrats.
They're all Democratic strongholds, and most of them very far left-leaning Marxist-type leaders that are basically villainizing the cops, Victimizing the thugs, which is kind of why I like Florida these days.
You have a governor that's doing his job, a governor that's holding people accountable, enforcing the law.
These other cities and these other states, they're just not doing it.
steve bannon
Okay.
You stay right there, Bernie.
Don't leave.
I want to bring in Steve Cortez.
Can we bring in Steve Cortez right now?
Steve, I know you're here for a different reason.
I want to talk about the editorial about what you're doing in Navarre and the evidence.
Bernie Hang.
Steve, you're a Chicago guy.
You're in Chicago.
Is Bernie Carrick right?
Is that a city that's now out of control and not being reported nationwide?
steve cortes
100%.
Listen, I take no pleasure in saying this as a Chicagoan.
I think it is the most dangerous place in the developed world.
And the statistics back me up on that, by the way.
For 2020, shootings and homicides were up 50% from 2019, from an already elevated level.
The latest scary, really terrifying trend in Chicago is carjackings, which are out of control.
There were over 600 of them in 2019.
It more than doubled into 2020.
There were over 1,400 of them already in this new year.
Despite winter weather, there's over 150 carjackings in 2021.
And Steve, what is most In some ways, I think, educational in a way or informative about these carjackings is that so many of them are being committed by young teens, people who don't even have their driver's license, who shouldn't be driving a car legally, much less stealing one at gunpoint.
These are 14, 15 year old boys, young men.
They're not in school, they're not playing sports, they have nothing constructed to do.
You combine that with a Soros-backed prosecutor in Chicago who will not prosecute even violent crimes, and we have an absolutely combustible situation here.
Chicago is in chaos.
steve bannon
Steve, just hang on.
Bernie, can people get your social media?
I want to make sure people can follow you during the day and your radio show on Saturday.
bernard kerik
Bernard Carrick on Twitter, that's the best way to get me.
steve bannon
And what time is it?
The radio show is on Saturday afternoon, is it?
2 or 3 o'clock WABC?
bernard kerik
2 p.m.
2 p.m.
on Saturday.
steve bannon
2 p.m.
2 p.m.
Bernie Carrick, every Saturday on WABC, right after the War Room is over, so it's a great time to listen.
It's always great guests, very intense.
Bernie, thank you so much for joining us today on War Room.
bernard kerik
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
Bernie's work as investigators, the evidence, is so much of what we call the receipts that can be shown in the Senate in the trial of Donald J. Trump.
We've got a hard-out with Cortez.
We're going to bring Cortez back.
Cortez has got an editorial day talking about Peter Navarro.
Dr. Navarro has combined all three It's what Matt Gaetz can use as his Bible next week when he's in the well of the U.S.
Senate arguing as President Trump's lawyer.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We've got Cortez.
We've got Matt Palumbo from the Bongino Report.
We've got Richard Barris, the great pollster.
All to come.
Plus, an update on Dr. Fauci and the vaccines for your kids.
Remember, Dr. Fauci said vaccinating the children is the key to herd immunity.
And you heard CNN's new report at the top.
We've got years to go in this plague, but the key is herd immunity.
Okay, Cortez next on War Room Pandemic.
unidentified
War Room Pandemic with Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room Pandemic.
Here's your host Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
The country's devolving into lawlessness.
It's not Steve Bannon saying it.
You've got a website, our production staff, the ever-productive engine room is all over heyjackass.com.
I'm bringing in Steve Cortez.
Besides Steve Cortez being the smartest hedge fund guy associated from the pits of Chicago, associated with the MAGA movement, really the voice of MAGA economics, he and Peter Navarro.
He's also a Chicagoan, loves Chicago.
Cortez, this is what I want to get.
It is one of the greatest cities in the world with great people, great sports team, a great ethos.
It is such a beloved city.
unidentified
And the Cubs.
steve bannon
And the Cubs.
So brutal.
You go out in the Midwest... This South Side guy is so tough.
I know you're a populist.
You go in the Midwest and people love Chicago, they love going there.
Is this heyjackass.com?
Because this thing's got police reports.
It blows your head up.
By the way, everybody in the audience, go to heyjackass.com.
Is it accurate?
steve cortes
100%.
Listen, it's a silly name, but it's a serious website.
And by the way, that is verified by my cop buddies, and I've got a lot of cop friends in the city of Chicago, and they all tell me that's where they go when they want to know the actual truth, because you won't get it from corporate media, you certainly won't get it from the city government of Chicago.
But to your point, too, of why people should care who don't live in the city of Chicago, As I do.
Chicago is the beating heart of America.
It really is.
You know, for decades, I've told people in my international travels, if you want to know America, you can't go to San Francisco or New York.
I'd always tell them, go to Chicago.
You know, that's where you'll find the America, the Chicago described by Saul Bellow and countless authors over the years.
So what's happening in America is a sickness in the heart of America.
It's because of policy.
It's not because of the good Citizens of this amazing city.
This place is being literally ruined by blue policies.
And I warned this a lot during the campaign, and I'm going to continue to warn America.
The present reality of Chicago is what Biden and the Democrats want for all of America nationwide.
That is the future they have in store for you.
A future of statism, of corruption, bereft of opportunity, of defund the police, of prosecutors who are in the pocket of George Soros.
That is the reality they want for the nation.
So I say as a Chicagoan, I am warning you, you do not want to become, the rest of America, what Chicago is now.
This is a clarion call for the country.
matt gaetz
Steve, this is Matt Gaetz.
So, in the House Judiciary Committee, every week I hear Democrats trying to enact every policy possible to keep the cops in the car.
Whether it's taking their immunities away, whether it's limiting their access to, like, body protection.
It's all about ensuring that you don't have proactive policing.
So what has been your observation about how policing has reacted to this rise in violence and whether or not what we hear coming out of Washington is negatively impacting Chicago and then could have that same negative metastasizing impact across the country?
steve cortes
You know, Congressman, absolutely.
What you're talking about in Washington is a part of the problem here in Chicago, and I suspect in other large cities.
When I talk to cops here, what they tell me is they know that the political leadership of the city never has their back.
That if there is ever a question about police actions, that the default position of people like Mayor Lightfoot here in Chicago, and state's attorney, the prosecutor for Cook County, Kim Foxx, their default position Is to attack the cops, is to always take the perpetrator's side.
And so given that, they are incredibly hesitant to be proactive, which is understandable.
They don't want to end up in cuffs themselves.
They don't want to end up in the front page of the newspaper.
And so they tend to show up, and I'm not blaming the cops for this at all, but they tend to show up to your point after the fact, rather than trying to prevent the violence in the first place.
steve bannon
Okay, I really want to pivot quickly from violence to the steal on November 3rd, okay?
Peter Navarro has combined all three reports.
This is the basis for arguing next week to counter the Democrats' prosecution of the President to say this thing was all phony, it was the big lie.
You make the argument, Navarro makes the argument it's the big steal.
You've written an introduction to that report that I think now is an op-ed.
Tell us where it is and what does your introduction to this report say?
steve cortes
So my op-ed is just published at the Washington Times, and I'm saying that the Navarro Report should be, number one, required reading for all citizens out there in the country, but number two, it should be the cornerstone, it should be in some ways the rubric for the defense of the President in the well of the Senate.
And what I mean by that is, The president has finally been handed an opportunity.
He's been de-platformed by the oligarchs of big tech.
And by the way, big tech and corporate media, forget about the president for a moment, President Trump, they won't even let regular citizens have even the discussion about the problems with the November 3rd vote, about the statistical anomalies, the provable fraud, and the constitutional violations that mar that vote.
We can't even have that discussion.
But here, President Trump has an opportunity handed to him because of the sham indictment, the sham impeachment, to get in front of the nation, to go to the well of the Senate and make the case.
And what I'm saying to him, what I'm imploring the president and his team to do, is use the Navarro Report, which is heavily cited, hundreds of citations from thousands of documents.
This isn't conspiracy theorizing, Steve.
This is real, documentable proof of the massive problems that throw into question, that really invalidate, in my view, the votes of these contested states.
And the President's going to have that opportunity to make that case directly to the American people.
If he does so powerfully, I think he turns this proceeding around.
He turns the legal guns around that are now pointed at him, and instead points them at the Congress itself, as well as at the state legislatures and state officials.
Um, in these respective contested battleground states, who unfortunately, uh, did not do their constitutional duty.
matt gaetz
But now to the converse, Steve.
What happens if this trial becomes an academic discussion of impeachment jurisdiction aligned with, you know, uh, with severability and, and, and those, those things.
If we don't have a robust defense of an honest election, what happens?
steve cortes
Right.
No, listen, I fear that, and I fear that that's the way things are headed right now.
That is the present inertia, but I think we can reverse it, because here's my problem with that.
If we go the technical route of jurisdiction, right, if there's a technical not guilty, that is no exoneration of the present.
That is certainly not a propellant.
For him, in terms of his personal political viability and potency, nor is it for the movement, and just for the truth itself, if I can get more philosophical about it.
We have to play, here's the thing, the Democrats are going to play theater.
If you read their brief, which I did, their 80 page brief, it reads in many ways like a TV script or a movie script.
We can't answer that with legal technicalities and pretend that we're in a law school classroom.
No.
We have to grab the stage and go for the grand exoneration.
You know, to bring Chicago into it, make no small plans.
That was the exhortation of Daniel Burnham when Chicago burned to the ground in 1871.
And he led the rebuilding of this amazing city, the renaissance of Chicago.
And he said, make no little plans.
They have no power to stir men's souls.
I would say the same to the Trump defense team.
steve bannon
We're gonna put the whole thing up in the next segment when we get to that, but I gotta tell you, you've got a special.
You're gonna be on, I think you're hosting the Greg Kelly Show tomorrow night on Newsmax.
Is that still a go?
steve cortes
That's correct.
steve bannon
Okay, so that's 7 o'clock on Newsmax.
Steve Cortez, you're gonna be the sole host for an entire hour?
steve cortes
That's correct, Steve.
steve bannon
Okay, Steve Cortez, tomorrow night on Newsmax, 7 o'clock.
Cortez is the best in the nation.
unidentified
Must have missed my invite.
steve bannon
Doing your podcast at that.
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
We've got another killer in the house.
It's the killer elite.
Raheem Kassam, Matt Gaetz, and now joined by Jack Posobiec.
We're going to be here.
Got Matt Palumbo, too, coming in for the Bongino Report.
How intense is that going to be?
All next, War and Pandemic.
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