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Feb. 3, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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EP 704- Pandemic: Fact Checking AOC (w/ Liz Harris, Boris Epshteyn, Jack Posobiec)
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raheem kassam
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steve bannon
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unidentified
Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, and the worst happens... War Room.
unidentified
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Hey, welcome.
You're in the War Room, live from Capitol Hill in the occupied nation's capital.
It's Wednesday, 3 February, the year of the war, 2021, now with over, I think, 33, 34 million downloads on Real America's Voice, John Frederick, Radio Network, Dish Channel 2, New 219, Comcast 113, Rumble, Telegraph, Gab, Roku, Pluto, everywhere in the known world.
Also GNU's GTV in Mandarin to the diaspora of the Chinese people and blown through the firewall later in the day.
Okay, we've got a lot to get through today.
We're actually honored.
We have the big story from this morning was Gates.
The Rudy story really hasn't hit.
That's starting to hit.
Rudy's saying that he's going to sue.
You know, not only is he not going to apologize, he's going to sue those guys.
We had Gates this morning saying he was going to resign from Congress to represent the President if the President would put him on the team and he would argue to show the receipts.
And he brought up the key point, we'll get to later, that hey, it's a free option because Rand Paul's brilliant move in the Senate last week makes it impossible for these people to convict him because they've already said it's unconstitutional.
There's five votes against him.
That's it.
Kramer's and Senator Kramer of North Dakota is in the Politico this afternoon talking about what this has got to be.
And he's saying, hey, you shouldn't say that.
You know, he could have, you know, guilty, could be convicted.
No, Senator Kramer and Senator Kramer's staff should get these people up to speed.
It's impossible.
They already voted that it's not constitutional.
You can't go back and then say, oh, I'm going to convict you on an unconstitutional proceeding.
How's that going to work?
The president has a free option.
It's like a team going offsides.
The offense gets a football, the offense gets a free play, just should throw the ball downfield.
And he should throw the ball downfield.
To let the nation know that this is still, whether it's in Pennsylvania, Georgia, there's still things going on.
The media just won't report them.
We're now going to go out to Maricopa County in Arizona, the great state of Arizona.
I love Arizona.
We've got a lot of family out there.
Fantastic, fantastic place.
Great people.
They're fighting.
And one of my favorite activists, if not my favorite activist, Liz Harris.
And that's because we argue every time Liz is on here.
Liz, you remind me of one of my three ex-wives sometimes, the way you argue with me, okay?
So tell me, Liz, you're actually, the reason it's important, we're starting to show with you, you actually are making history.
Grassroots is making history out in Arizona and nobody's quite understood what you're actually doing, which is very powerful.
So tell us what's the state of play with the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, the Senate of the state of Arizona, the grassroots.
What's the bid and the ask of actually what's going on with the supposedly full forensic audit of Maricopa County and its voting machines?
Liz Harris.
unidentified
Okay, so I'd like the audience to know I'm speaking for 1,700 people that have now signed up to help us with this grassroots effort.
Of canvassing door to door.
We see the fraud.
We understand there's fraud.
What the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors has done is they, their way of honoring the subpoena was to go out and choose two auditing firms with the US EAC accreditation.
It's not even a true certification to come in and do accuracy and logic tests.
The people of Arizona, that's not what they're asking for.
So our state senators, Arizona senators, became bold enough to say, OK, now it's our turn for that equipment and the paper ballots and the servers and everything so that we can conduct our audit with those auditors that will do a deep dive audit.
And yesterday, this is from Representative Warren Peterson.
It is truly unfortunate that today Maricopa County has refused to comply with the subpoena and allow the Senate to conduct a forensic audit of the election. There is no legal consequence if they allow us to use the machines and ballots.
However, there are serious legal consequences for failing to comply with the subpoena.
So now what is happening in Arizona? The Arizona Senate today is drafting a resolution of contempt against the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors for failing to comply with the Senate's subpoena.
And that is what the people of Arizona want the Senate to do at this point in time.
steve bannon
So, tell us, when that happens, what happens next and how close do we actually get to you guys having the audit that you would be comfortable with, that the people out there would be satisfied with, and that you could pull the trigger on your 1,700 door-to-door canvassers?
unidentified
Okay, so we have once again, we have affidavits and declarations showing the fraud what we need to put the cherry on top to finalize and to make the you know to make a court case get through all the courts without them being thrown out.
We need the 2.1.
physical ballots because the intention of the voter, the best replication...
steve bannon
2.1 million, right? It's a number.
unidentified
2.1 million fiscal ballots that are currently stored in a vault. Many people feel, you know, it's been a month and a half since the subpoenas have been, you know, what has been corrupted and what hasn't. And then, Steve, do you want to know about the deep dive audit that we're looking for?
steve bannon
Yes, please.
unidentified
We're looking for election log files, election settings, accounts and tokens, Windows servers and desktops, Dominion equipment, Dominion network, access to the logins for the Dominion records.
We're looking for election systems and software.
We're looking for the voter rolls.
And most importantly, and I can't stress this enough, Access to all original paper ballots, including, but not limited to, early ballots, election day ballots, and provisional ballots.
Now, I talk with a lot of national experts around the country, and fortunately, Arizona is one of the states that has this stuff intact.
So, we would be the perfect state to do the deep dive forensic audit, and I am very confident, you can call me biased, I'm very confident based on the work my canvassers have done over the last Month and a half, we will find a minimum of 106,000 fraudulent ballots.
And I make that statement with great faith.
steve bannon
How did you drive the 106,000?
How did you get there?
unidentified
When you take our initial sample size of 3,500 homes visited, and we had 539 homes with people residing in those homes that should not have voted.
Or some of them were just massive cases of you had You know, 2,032 people voting out of a single vacant lot, or excuse me, on the voter rolls, and then you had 147 of them actually cast ballots.
Go ahead.
steve bannon
Okay, we're burning time.
I got time limits here, but I gotta ask you, just for the audience, because this is historic, and this is the way it should be done.
This is not trashing companies or anything like that.
You've gone through the list of what you guys demand.
How close are you, and what has to happen For you to get the deep dive that you've just outlined, that will satisfy the grassroots, the Trump supporters, and believe will provide the evidence for all the voters of Arizona, even people that voted for Joe Biden, to prove that this was on the up and up, or if it was not, what is the exact number that is wrong and not calculated right?
What action needs to be taken to get that deep dive?
unidentified
What I need the public to understand is that this is not a partisan issue.
This happens to Democrats, Republicans, Independents.
It happens to everyone.
Many people feel two elections were stolen from Bernie Sanders.
We need to get to the bottom of how this voter fraud actually works from A to Z. And the way we're going to do that in Arizona is we have to get our Arizona Senate united.
We do have holdouts, and those holdouts have to understand that if they do not jump on board with the rest of us—again, we're doing this for all parties—if they do not jump on board and agree to this deep dive, it's not going to happen, because we have to be united and say election integrity is important.
And for the other side, whenever we use the words election integrity, they talk that we're trying to suppress votes.
That's not what it's about at all.
There is no voter suppression here.
We want every vote to count, and we want to make sure there's no shenanigans.
steve bannon
Every legal vote to count.
unidentified
Every legal vote to count.
steve bannon
Every legal vote.
Last question, if you were at Mar-a-Lago today in that beautiful sunroom and had a chance to have a cup of coffee with the President, who would have a Diet Coke by the way, if you were there and you saw what's happening on the trial and they're going to argue the Constitution, since you're one of the key states, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona are where it all comes down to, and you're only 8,300 votes outside of there, What would you tell the President?
Should he pursue to go and argue the voter fraud and risk these guys voting against him and finding him guilty, convicting him, Republican Senators?
Or should he just argue the Constitution, get out of there and move on and let the Democrats beat him up?
What would be your recommendation?
unidentified
I would recommend that he argue the voter fraud because the truth.
We need the truth.
The truth has to come out.
This is not 2020.
This is something that people have been speaking about for decades.
So again, voter fraud is the truth.
I do agree that he should argue the Constitution as well, but the voter fraud problem has to be stopped.
And if we remember in 2017, Trump asked each state to research the voter, the voter situation, and the states, including our great state of Arizona, rejected it.
They refused to investigate.
And even though Trump won, he said, let's open an investigation and it got thrown out.
The coverups are huge.
steve bannon
So yes, we will start calling.
This audience is massive and they're activists and they wanna take action.
What do you need this audience to do?
You need them to contact people in Arizona, Senators, is there, is there websites you can put up there and how do they keep, how do they keep track of you?
What are your social media coordinates and what's the, what's the page, what's the webpage they can go to?
unidentified
Okay, so to sign up to see how Arizona is doing the canvassing efforts, this is very important.
Sign up at www.itsmellsfunny.com.
Itssmellsfunny.com.
That's the most important.
All of my handles are Liz Harris, NBA, Twitter, Facebook, all that good stuff.
And then the person that they can call is Senator Karen Phan.
AZ Senator Karen Phan.
I will be having, in four hours, I will be doing a Zoom, and we will be posting on that Zoom call all the people All the people can basically call around the country.
steve bannon
How do people get on the Zoom call?
Can the public join in?
The public can join in.
unidentified
They need to sign up at ItSmellsFunny.com.
steve bannon
Fine.
ItSmellsFunny.com they go.
Liz, thank you so much.
You're doing yeoman's work out there.
You're a true patriot and warrior.
Thank you, Liz.
unidentified
Okay.
raheem kassam
Thank you.
steve bannon
Liz Harris.
We got through that one okay.
raheem kassam
What's the website?
steve bannon
Wow, what a website.
Okay, so tell me, okay first we're gonna have Boris in a second.
Gates blew up today.
unidentified
Just one thing on that real quick before we shift gears.
raheem kassam
Wouldn't it be more financially responsible for a company like Dominion to actually just have a transparency thing going on rather than trying to sue people all over the place?
steve bannon
Then you kill the story!
I'm not trying to be in their defense.
I think they say, hey, we've got the supervisors, we've got the counties, we've got the governments, we're defended by the guys in Georgia, we're defended by the executive field.
raheem kassam
I'm just saying it's a weird way of going about it, to defend yourself.
steve bannon
I think their point is, I'm just arguing their case.
They're saying, why should I get into the Liz Harris and the Raheem Kassams and the Steve Bannons and other people?
raheem kassam
Because you want to be part of public elections.
So be prepared for public scrutiny.
steve bannon
They say right now, they're a vendor, they report to the contractor.
I'm sure the supervisor is saying, let us handle this.
raheem kassam
The contractor is the American public.
steve bannon
The contractor is not the American public.
The contractor actually, technically, is Maricopa County in Georgia.
That's the problem.
raheem kassam
And who, and what's Maricopa County in Georgia?
steve bannon
Well, they report to taxpayers, but I'm saying, but it's the county that actually signs the contract.
So they sit there and go, hey, county, what do you want, what do you want me to do?
unidentified
I think it smells funny.
steve bannon
Listen, don't get me wrong.
This is why I think Liz and these people out there, we have to get to the bottom of it.
We can't back away from November 3rd of 2020.
This whole thing, we got to worry about the future.
Yeah, we got to worry about the future by taking care of the past.
She makes a great point.
This has been going on for a while and should have been dealt with.
And that's what the Texas, when Texas reviewed it, the great state of Texas, When they reviewed it, remember, in that five-page report, they went through these problems and said, this is why, categorically, we're rejecting Dominion Systems.
We just don't like the way it's set up.
Okay, we're returning to the second floor.
unidentified
Let's go inside and talk about the trial.
War Room.
Pandemic.
With Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon, and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Remember, I'm taking the side of Dominion.
I'm playing devil's advocate about the way the world works.
And that's the way that people are thinking about it, these elected officials, whether they're in Georgia or in Maricopa County.
And what you're seeing is that activists like Liz Harris are taking people on.
They're confronting this.
And now she's convinced the Senate out there, work with the Senate, because they've gone door to door, to move.
And this is how democracy works.
And this is how our side works.
We're winning.
We're actually winning here by forcing, having forcing functions.
And this is what you're seeing.
I want to go to Boris real quickly.
Go ahead.
raheem kassam
I just want to remind people, this is a war room.
You have a red team, you have a green team, right?
A blue team.
And it's for us, it's not for us to take each other's sides on everything.
steve bannon
We have a saying in here, no fighting in the war room, from the Coopers.
Because we're fighting all the time, right?
jack posobiec
But to your point as well, I get hit up every single day saying, what can I do?
How can I get involved?
I listen every day.
I'm following all and I share all the articles, but what can I do?
Well, here's somebody in one county that turned out to be a pivotal county.
steve bannon
She made a huge difference.
jack posobiec
How many other counties are there out there?
What's going on in your county?
What can you uncover that's going on?
That's what you do.
steve bannon
But you can also go sign up for her, go on her site, go on the Zoom calls.
I mean, when Posobiec that night in Wisconsin stayed up all hour, like two o'clock in the morning, saw those two great heroes, Knudsen and Spindaul, that fought back.
And quite frankly, when President Trump and his team argues the receipts, they're going to start in Wisconsin and they're going to start about that commission meeting where they didn't back off.
And now we have 200, what, 200 some thousand? 220.
220,000 illegal IC votes indefinitely confined.
That's the receipts.
Liz Harris and her kind of plea to the president, hey we've got them out here in Arizona.
Look, we wouldn't be where we were down to 8,300 votes if it was not for Boris Epstein who was sent out immediately out there.
Boris, you know the details.
They're fighting like dogs out there to get the audit that they need and Liz walked through all the details.
But I want to pull the camera back.
Matt Gaetz today He said, because of Arizona, because of Georgia, because of Wisconsin, and actually Gates said, hey, guys, you say those three.
The two best we have, the low-hanging fruit, forget the machines, the two best we have, the low-hanging fruit, he believes, is Michigan and Nevada, right?
Which nobody ever talks about, right?
They're kind of on the back of the bus on our list.
He's saying, hey, he would put those two first.
He said people's heads would blow up because nobody's really followed Nevada.
Or Michigan, with the low-hanging fruit.
So Boris, where do we stand?
You saw the two filings.
Gates today said he would resign his seat to represent it.
Liz Harris, everybody I'm talking to has said, the president's got a free option.
You know, Kramer, the senator comes out here and says, the president better be listening because, you know, you don't want this to go about him.
He's got to be very careful about how they argue this.
Kramer, you can't vote against it because you voted last week.
It's unconstitutional.
Somebody on his staff ought to wake him up.
You're not wrong at all.
voted it's unconstitutional.
Now you're going to convict the 45th president of the United States?
You, Kramer, are going to convict it?
No, sir, I do not think so.
I think I'll call that bluff.
In fact, I think we ought to call the bluff of all 45 that votes unconstitutional.
So Boris, you're the lawyer here.
Tell me where I'm wrong.
boris epshteyn
You're not wrong at all.
And if you look at the states, and by the way, Matt Gaetz is right that Nevada and Michigan were ripe with fraud.
Nevada, dead people voting, illegal immigrants voting, people who don't live in Nevada voting, Michigan, don't forget the 71% of unbalanced precincts in Wayne County, meaning a different number of people voting than actually votes cast.
Total disaster.
Wayne County is where Detroit is.
Total disaster in both states.
So, as we've talked, there's no doubt that all three vectors have to be taken on in full context and with full force.
The fact that this is unconstitutional, the unconstitutionality of the actual process of the trial, the fact that there was no incitement, the president said march peacefully and patriotically, and then yes, the election fraud, the voter fraud, we have to push back on this term I want to put this in perspective.
steve bannon
It's very important.
Because the defining moment of the people that have been around President Trump is Billy Bush Weekend.
If you were on TV in Billy Bush Weekend, you're the hardest core of the hard core.
Last night is the first time, Boris, you ran surrogates for us in 2016.
You were so solid for Trump that CNN eventually, those guys said, I can't take this guy anymore.
He's got to get off.
So, I mean, you were like the pulling guard, the blocking back for the surrogates program.
Last night was the first time you've ever kind of disagreed with the president and you were doing it to be helpful.
But I just want to go back to that and have you explain it that, hey, This is so important.
It's so fundamental and I don't think he's getting clear information.
I want to go back and hit rewind because the first time, and I've known you for six years, you've ever disagreed.
I want you to make the case of why you disagreed.
boris epshteyn
I don't disagree with the President.
I agree with everything the President has said.
I agree with the fact that there was voter fraud.
I agree with the fact that there was election fraud.
I agree with the fact that we have to investigate it and we want to fight for election integrity.
My perspective, and as I've said to you, is that if you look at that filing yesterday, there was, to me, there was too much in the middle.
Are we denying it?
Are we admitting it?
And there was some admitted in part, denied in part.
I would have denied everything, said we're denying all of this cockamamie charade from the Democrats and let's go and attack on these three fronts that I continue to lay out, including the election fraud.
Why are we listening to finger wagging from the Kramer?
It makes absolutely no sense to me.
Why are we being browbeaten by Lindsey Graham or Nancy Pelosi in the House or crying Chuck Schumer in the Senate?
This is the Trump movement, the MAGA movement.
And if you've seen the reporting, the president apparently is on the same side in terms of, yes, let's fight the constitutionality here.
Let's fight the fact that there was no incitement, but let's also fight On the election fraud.
So I continue to agree with President Trump a million percent.
steve bannon
Okay, hang on.
I want Boris to go first, Rahim, and then Jack.
There is a monumental event happening across the street.
Right now, the Republican conference is meeting, and they're talking about Liz Cheney.
They're also talking about Greene, but principally Liz Cheney.
Boris, your perspective?
She said in her comments, he called the mob together.
He riled up the mob.
It's always the mob, the mob, the mob, the mob, and he, the president, right?
She said it.
It's in the record.
It's on page 2 or page 3.
The first quote they got in their indictment, in their theory of the case, is Liz Cheney.
She hasn't talked to the people of Wyoming beforehand.
What her logic was, she didn't have the common courtesy or decency to talk to them afterwards.
Boris, what's your perspective of Liz Cheney?
Because a bunch of tweets coming out saying it looks like McCarthy's backing her to stay in leadership.
Your thoughts, sir?
boris epshteyn
Well, Liz Cheney is the most powerful representative that Washington, D.C.
has ever had in Congress.
Let's be honest, she doesn't truly represent the people of Wyoming, and you could tell that.
By where her popularity is right now in Wyoming, which is at 10%.
Literally, at 10%.
It is unbelievable how unpopular she is with Republicans in Wyoming.
And if she is not believed to be representing her constituents from Wyoming, how could she be the number three person in the Republican conference?
I just don't see it.
Congresswoman Cheney overstepped her role as the chair of the conference.
She was whipping votes for impeachment, and then she had this Jerry Maguire moment where she only got nine people to go with her.
And that's very important.
She's not the whip.
Steve Scalise is the whip.
But she went outside her role and was whipping for votes for impeachment of the president of her own party, the president who just got 75 million votes, more than any incumbent in the history of this country, the most popular person who's in the Republican Party by far and away.
And the leader of this party, so I think she made a mistake.
steve bannon
And 70% of the vote in Wyoming.
Quickly, Rahim, Jack.
jack posobiec
Well, I mean, to jump in real quick, it's really interesting the gaslighting in all of this.
They are trying to gaslight you to think that these are the people in charge, that you shouldn't listen to yourselves.
They don't want you to pay attention to the fact that, yes, there was A violent disturbance that happened on January 6th, but prior to that there were 100,000 people who showed up peacefully that day.
There were 50,000 people in Western Pennsylvania that showed up for a movement.
Those people haven't gone away.
Donald J. Trump is the most popular Republican in the history of the party.
Period.
raheem kassam
I think if the Republican Party leaves Cheney untouched in all of this and allows her to still masquerade as a leadership representative of the Republican base, then what they're effectively doing is endorsing what she said and endorsing what's on page one of the Democrat legal brief.
And that's the question that people need to ask their representatives is, hey, Don't just give me your position on Liz Cheney, fierce defender of the Constitution, whatever.
Don't just give me that.
Tell me, do you endorse what she said?
And do you endorse her being used for the Democrat legal brief?
Because that's what you're doing.
steve bannon
Boris, respond to Rahim.
It's a brilliant point.
What do you think?
boris epshteyn
I think that the Republican establishment has to realize that this is not, and Rahim makes a great point, this is not the Republican Party of 1992, of 2000, of 2010. This is the Trump party right now. That's what it is.
That's where the excitement, that's where the basic movement is. And Liz Cheney made a mistake.
And leadership is to be judged based on key moments. And this was a key moment in time. Yes, a horrible event happened at the Capitol, but then Liz Cheney took that event and decided to blame it on the president of her own party, obviously revealing longstanding disdain for President Trump.
And that's her choice as an American, as a public official, that's her choice. But choices have consequences. The consequence here is that, as Rahim said, as Jack said, as you said, Stephen, She could not be.
steve bannon
She chose bad.
jack posobiec
I want to hop in with some breaking news on all of this.
Tara Pellmeri coming out with that.
On top of the meeting, Kevin McCarthy tells members he supports both Greene in her committees and Liz Cheney in leadership.
Trying to have his cake and eat it too.
steve bannon
Can't have it both ways.
Boris, how do people, give us your social media coordinates so people can keep up with you during the day.
boris epshteyn
Thanks so much, Steve.
Follow this closely.
Very interesting what's going to happen here in this interplay between Liz Cheney and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
My coordinates at BorisEP on Twitter, Boris underscore EPSHTYN on the gram, Boris underscore Epstein on Instagram, at BorisEP on Twitter.
Thanks for having me, and to everybody, stay strong, and God bless.
steve bannon
Tomorrow we're going to talk about, it looks like the SEC may be coming after the Reddit Rebels.
We'll deal with that tomorrow, Boris Epstein.
Okay, short commercial break.
We'll return.
Jack Posobiec has been picking on AOC all day.
We're going to get a full explanation.
I don't like you picking on AOC.
I want more, I want AOCs in the Republican Party.
I want bartenders.
jack posobiec
We're going to have a conversation.
steve bannon
We're going to be back in a second.
unidentified
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steve bannon
Okay, from the live chat, just want to say e pluribus unum, just hit us with, the establishment knows one rule.
The swamp sets the agenda.
They will never bow to the unwashed masses.
Their only message is shut up and pay your taxes.
Pretty powerful from the, from the, uh, Also, in the live chat, sending us powerful messages the entire time, they also want to know, these are activists, they want actual items.
They're saying, give me McCarthy's office number.
I want a call now, I want an email.
Raheem Kassam, can you help us out?
unidentified
202-225-2915.
raheem kassam
That's 202-225-2915.
unidentified
202-225-2915.
Ring, ring.
raheem kassam
That's 202-225-2915.
steve bannon
You ought to...
Ring ring!
Leader McCarthy needs to hear from you if you do not agree with his decision on Liz Cheney I hope he asked the question in front of the conference that she could answer.
Is she going to Wyoming this weekend to stand in front of that conference?
They're having to give all the county chairs and others from the counties that I think 10 counties now have voted to censure her and a number of those counties have voted to also demand that she resign.
jack posobiec
CNN is now reporting that Liz Cheney gave an eight-minute speech to open off the entire meeting and that she did not apologize.
She didn't apologize to the counties that have censored her, the voters that voted for her, or to even her constituents that she represents there in Wyoming that voted overwhelmingly for Trump in that election.
steve bannon
I tell you what, we may try to get some of the Wyoming folks on here before the end of the show.
Mr. Raheem Kassandra.
raheem kassam
You are totally trying to avoid the AOC thing.
steve bannon
No, no, I want to go to it now.
unidentified
I want to go to it now.
steve bannon
I'm not crazy about all of her politics and particularly some of the shots she takes.
However, I have said from day one, I want more AOCs in the Republican Party.
I want bartenders.
I want people that had to work that shift and basically were able to pay for things because of the tips, because they weren't getting enough wages.
People who know the tougher side of life.
I think in many regards, I know the audience is going to blow up, she has been a breath of fresh air in that she took on the Democratic establishment against long odds.
She's won.
She's tough as boot leather.
She goes out of her way on their side.
I don't agree with her politics.
But I like the style in which she's trying.
She teaches these civics lessons every night where she's cooking.
I want our people to do that.
She's an engaging personality.
And if we don't see that, if we don't see that, that is how you communicate to a younger generation and particularly a generation of activists.
And get them, uh, and get them, you know, motivated and you do this all the time, we're not going to win elections.
And so in that regard, and remember, I'm not into politics.
raheem kassam
All those things can be true.
steve bannon
But here come the haters.
raheem kassam
Hold on a second.
jack posobiec
Is this to say Steve Bannon the two days ago was urging her to primary Chuck Schumer to put up or shut up.
steve bannon
Now she's tough as Ask my daughter, who's the West Point grad, this is the way I coach young girls basketball, challenge them all the time.
AOC, she has to put up, she has to take on Chuck Schumer.
Chuck Schumer's quaking in his boots.
The last thing Chuck Schumer wants to see is AOC coming for him.
jack posobiec
Right, but so AOC, when Ted Cruz... Why are you picking on her?
First of all, I'm not picking on AOC, but I am fact-checking her.
He's picking on falsehoods.
What's a falsehood?
I am fact-checking her and I'm fact-checking falsehoods.
Look, when Ted Cruz reached out to AOC and talked about reaching across the aisle, did she reach across the aisle?
steve bannon
No.
unidentified
This is on the Reddit Rebels.
jack posobiec
On Reddit Rebels, she turned around and accused him of trying to have her assassinated.
That was her bipartisanship, her idea of actually moving the ball forward on both sides, right?
And this is where we're asking the question of whose side is she really on.
Then, as you say, she goes on Instagram, she's telling these stories, she's reaching out to people, she's using that pathos, she's using that emotion.
steve bannon
I didn't think that was her finest moment the other night.
I did not think that was her finest moment.
I didn't think it was her first moment.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
She's going a little bit overboard with it.
steve bannon
Why did you say that?
jack posobiec
And I say that because she's claiming that her life was in danger, but you turn around and you say, well, hold on a second.
Let's actually go look through the facts on all this.
steve bannon
But her life was in danger.
I watched it.
I saw it.
Her life was in danger, wasn't it?
jack posobiec
She may have felt threatened.
steve bannon
You're telling me it's not?
jack posobiec
She may have felt threatened.
steve bannon
She was in the Capitol being attacked and they had the thing.
jack posobiec
No, hold on.
Hold on, though.
steve bannon
She was in the Capitol, right?
jack posobiec
She wasn't in the Capitol.
She wants you to think she was in the Capitol.
unidentified
Hang on, stop.
steve bannon
Time out, time out.
jack posobiec
But we're gonna have to fact check.
steve bannon
Time out, time out.
jack posobiec
And that's all I'm doing here.
steve bannon
We're fact checking.
I watched it.
What do you mean she was in the Capitol?
jack posobiec
She was in the Cannon Office Building.
Where if people who don't know the way the Capitol Complex is actually laid out, this compound... Oh, she was not in the Capitol.
steve bannon
She was over at Cannon?
jack posobiec
She was in Cannon.
steve bannon
Across the street?
jack posobiec
Across the street.
unidentified
Yet when she tells the story, at first she said that the rioters got in.
raheem kassam
That means that you were closer than she was.
jack posobiec
You and I walking down the street were actually closer.
steve bannon
The War Room's closer.
No, seriously, did rioters get... This is the first I've heard.
Did rioters get into the Cannon Building?
jack posobiec
No.
No.
She claimed at first in her story that the rioters breached her office.
But then when they pushed back on that and they said, wait a minute, you were in Canon, then she said, oh, well, actually it was a police officer.
unidentified
But the police officer made me feel so threatened.
steve bannon
Slow down, slow down, slow down.
You were telling me that whole thing the other night, which was, you know, you're on the edge of your seat if you're watching, right?
Because she's going to, and they had the other woman, didn't the other woman come in and defend her, right?
Said it happened, right?
There was, I think, another person came and said something, but you're on the, if you, the way she went to Katie Porter's office, which is in Longworth.
unidentified
Yeah, again, that's in Longworth, that's actually farther, which is further, right?
steve bannon
So she had, so you, I think we have the, but hold on, hang on, but let's put the, let's put the, but hold, slow down, slow down.
I just have a question.
Did the protesters, or rioters, or whoever, you know, you had the inner core of the bad guys, then you had everybody else wandering around with things.
Did anybody get to Cannon?
unidentified
No.
steve bannon
Because Cannon, for people who don't know this... No evidence of this.
You have the Capitol, and then you have the grounds, and then you have across the street... She did.
jack posobiec
She did.
steve bannon
She said they were in Cannon.
jack posobiec
She said they were at her door.
steve bannon
You have Independence Avenue, and then you have the Cannon office, and the next door, kind of back of Longworth.
Yeah.
And that's where most of the officers are.
She was not in the Capitol.
unidentified
No.
jack posobiec
She was not in the Capitol.
So, I tweet out an article from Red State, just kind of walking you through all of this stuff.
She screenshots that and says that I'm trying to be misleading.
That I'm trying to mislead the public about what was really going on, because she knows that I've caught her in something, so she's got to respond as quick as possible.
steve bannon
Why did she say misleading?
jack posobiec
Because she knows that I'm poking holes.
steve bannon
I know, but when she said misleading, she had your map?
jack posobiec
She didn't have the map.
steve bannon
What was in the tweet that she's applying as misleading?
jack posobiec
That she wasn't in the Capitol.
raheem kassam
No, but what she did say to you, Jack, she was like, and by the way, this sort of goes to the very first point you made, which is that, you know, she's an ordinary person, a bartender, real life experience.
Actually, firstly, we know she's kind of auditioned for this Justice Democrat's position, right?
That's how they found her.
She's not authentic.
She's not authentic like that.
But park that!
Park that!
steve bannon
Hold on, hold on.
raheem kassam
Can I finish?
unidentified
Yes, please.
steve bannon
I wish we auditioned that well.
raheem kassam
Fine, fine.
Make that point.
But...
She auditioned.
She's an actress.
steve bannon
She didn't audition.
They interviewed people from life.
They interviewed people.
raheem kassam
What's the problem with that?
That's not an organic way to find genuine working class people.
That's when a working class person goes and says, I am doing this and I am running.
There's a complete difference anyway.
unidentified
It's actually when Lauren Boebert... Lauren Boebert is real.
raheem kassam
Lauren Boebert did not answer an advertisement in a newspaper.
jack posobiec
She has a GED, she is a small business owner, she's a spark plug, an absolute believer in what she stands up for.
unidentified
Are you implying AOC doesn't?
jack posobiec
I'm saying that AOC goes out there and embellishes.
She embellishes stories the same way that Brian Williams does.
raheem kassam
But let's go back to what she responded to you with.
She responded to you by saying, Jack Posobiec, you don't understand the way the grounds of the Capitol work, and your map doesn't make reference to the tunnels and the ease of access that there is between the Capitol and the Cannon Building.
Of course, of course.
steve bannon
But it's the last time I look at a security dinner.
raheem kassam
Of course.
And what a ridiculously, like, elitist thing to say.
Firstly, Jack works about 30 seconds from there.
jack posobiec
First of all, I do work on Capitol Hill, actually.
raheem kassam
Secondly, I would hazard a guess that anybody who lives and works around here, has taken tours of the Capitol building, understands the way it works.
We know that there are tunnels.
I've been in those.
unidentified
Well, every time I go to meet with a congressman or a senator, I'm walking through the tunnels.
steve bannon
The engine room of the war room is not loving my she's not an actress.
I'm getting lit up.
raheem kassam
So she tries to pull the you don't go here line, right?
You're not one of us.
jack posobiec
I'm not one of you.
raheem kassam
You're not in congress and therefore you don't understand.
steve bannon
Can I ask a basic question?
raheem kassam
That's why this is trending by the way.
steve bannon
If she was in canon.
jack posobiec
We haven't said what's trending yet.
Yeah, that's why we have to get to you know, we have to cut signal not the noise right signal not the noise, right?
What's trending right now after my response to her of posting this map is?
Alexandria Ocasio-Smolet Smollett.
Number one trend nationwide in Twitter after my response to her is that AOC, we're glad.
I thank God.
I thank God that nothing happened to you.
I hope nothing bad ever happens to you in your entire life.
But there were no rioters at your door.
It was a police officer who was coming to escort you.
And then you accused him of threatening you because he was trying to get you to safety in an expeditious manner.
steve bannon
Can I ask a basic question?
I think this is going to be very important as we go forward.
The Cannon Building is pretty far removed across Independence Avenue from the nation's capital, the capital itself.
Were there any protesters that got over to the Cannon Building, either through the tunnel or just on the surface and went over there?
Can we find out?
jack posobiec
When they went through, and I don't think we have this map, but when they went through, they remember Gizmodo did this, they were pulling up the parlor IP addresses and they were geo-tagging people and geo-locating them as to everywhere they were.
And on that map, they were only in front of the main Capitol building itself.
steve bannon
So you're saying by that evidence, let's take that for what it is.
That's signals intelligence.
For purposes of discussion, let's say it's accurate.
You're saying that there's no evidence that any protester, violent or unviolent, or even some of the tourists are kind of wandering around, right?
Just kind of came up from the thing and saw something there and the cops are showing them, hey, you can go on in.
No one went to Cannon.
jack posobiec
There's none.
steve bannon
Then how possibly could she have that dramatic, heart-rendering performance the other time?
raheem kassam
Maybe she's an actress.
jack posobiec
You know, we all have that one friend in high school that no matter what the story is, they find a way to make it about themselves.
steve bannon
But why would her staff allow that to happen?
raheem kassam
Well, that's a good point.
jack posobiec
That's a great point.
raheem kassam
Because remember, she hasn't quite been as hot on the trigger as she was when that guy was... When Sycott Chakrabarty, who was part of the Justice Dems, was working with her when he was... You couldn't lay a finger on her.
jack posobiec
And he was writing a lot of her talking points.
We have to say this.
steve bannon
Explain to our audience, the Justice Dems, and that was a group she talked to because they were looking for a candidate that could take on the establishment.
They were kind of the left-wing Tea Party.
jack posobiec
You mean almost like auditioning?
steve bannon
Well, hold on.
People would argue if we had better auditions or things, if tea party groups had done that kind of selection process and gotten those kind of things.
I would say that is screening.
I wouldn't, I know you guys, the haters would say it's auditioning.
Okay.
We're going to lose half the audience.
That's where I got to have you two.
unidentified
Exactly.
steve bannon
Remember, I gotta play Devil's Advocate here.
raheem kassam
No, look, Chakra Bharti was her... He's a genius.
Yeah, was her genius, you know.
He's a very smart guy.
He was her Steve Bannon.
And since he's gone, a lot of her things don't add up.
Now, I'll give you this.
The 100,000 live views on Instagram every night that she's getting, that's impressive.
And we absolutely have to... I mean, by the way, Jack himself does the live streams and gets I mean, not that close, but big, big, big numbers.
But yeah, we need more people doing that.
However, she has kind of lost that untouchability.
jack posobiec
She lost her edge.
raheem kassam
Yeah.
jack posobiec
She lost her edge.
raheem kassam
What's she got ratio today?
That's never happened before.
steve bannon
It's never We're going to explain that all for our audience.
We're going to take a short commercial break and return.
This is Signal Not Noise because this was very important.
I hope it does not slow her down in her coming forward to primary Chuck Schumer.
Remember, you could be in the United States Senate.
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
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steve bannon
Okay, the reason we're pursuing this, this is normally the kind of stuff that I think is noise, not signal, but for our audience to understand.
Some of the accusations that have been made have been about domestic terrorism, the white nationalist, she's fearful for her life, about congressmen.
jack posobiec
We talked, you know, and I keep coming back to this point and I said this is why the president should appear at the Welles Center or at least go to Trump Hotel to make the case because they are calling all Trump supporters domestic terrorists.
They're going after people with TSA if you're going to fly, if they found a report that you were or on facial recognition if you're involved with January 6th, right?
And this is a U.S.
Congresswoman, right?
This is someone who has immense power.
She's in the majority party of the House when they're talking about putting forward a new domestic terrorism bill.
These are the people who are going to be doing the writing of that bill.
steve bannon
She's the second most powerful person in the House because she stood up Nancy Pelosi.
It's AOC versus Nancy Pelosi.
They talk about the progressive wing demanding things.
It's AOC.
She leads not just the squad, she leads that whole thing.
Okay, for Denver, I want to go and play Taking that I felt that things were going to be okay.
unidentified
And that, you know, I had fulfilled my purpose.
Anyways, sorry guys.
alexandria ocasio-cortez
So anyways, As I'm hiding in this bathroom, I'm hiding in this bathroom, hearing these yells of these men, or just this a man, just one man, going, where is she?
unidentified
Where is she?
I start to look through the door hinge to see if I can see anything.
And there's like a door here and there's like another door here.
So I'm like, I'm like trying to look through two door hinges.
And so I look through this door hinge.
steve bannon
Now, the guy identified himself as a police officer, Capitol Hill Police, is that the punchline of the story, but she didn't say that?
jack posobiec
She eventually gets to it.
This was a Capitol Police officer who was asking where she is to escort her to safety as a member of Congress.
raheem kassam
But you even hear it in that, even when she's mid-lie, she has to correct herself from a lie that goes too far.
She says, these men... Why do you say they're a lie?
jack posobiec
Well, maybe just one man.
steve bannon
She gives you the punchline, so why do you say it's a lie?
raheem kassam
Right, but she's creating a narrative that there are these protesters who are looking for her, and then she goes, men, and then she goes, oh man, and then admits that it was a police officer.
So she's setting people up.
She's setting people up For this narrative.
steve bannon
She knows that she's going to be back.
unidentified
This is banging.
raheem kassam
Where is she?
Where is she?
jack posobiec
She knows that there are people that can verify this.
raheem kassam
Why can't she just start her story with, by the way, what happened to me was a capital police officer came to get me.
And here's the details of that.
But she doesn't.
She leads people on this journey where they think that she's being pursued by these men.
Man.
Capital police officers.
steve bannon
Look, Steve, when I came in here... While you're talking, I want to put up... If Denver could please put up the map, the digital map... The geomap.
Geomap, and this was done by what organization?
jack posobiec
It was done by Giz... It was reported in Gizmodo.
I don't know the exact organization, but it was reported in Gizmodo, and it's all... I think it was the parlor and social media posts, here it is, that were put up.
This is all around the Capitol Building itself.
You can even... You can actually see that there are less posts from the side where the Cannon Office Building is.
Right?
And so when we're talking about all of this, we have to say, look, I came here the day after it happened.
I was live the day it did happen.
If I had said something false, if I had been like Hillary Clinton with the snipers in Bosnia, or Brian Williams, the helicopters, right?
They would have destroyed me.
Madeleine Peltz would be all over that, right?
But AOC gets up, and she can embellish, embellish, embellish, by the way, smear a Capitol Police officer who was going to her aid, who was going to her side, rushing to her, that didn't know what was going on, on a day when they actually, unfortunately, did tragically lose somebody.
steve bannon
Where do you stand?
Explain what Rachel is, Rahim, for the audience.
Where do you stand in the social media world?
Because she's obviously one of the biggest personalities in the world, and you're no slouch yourself, Jack Pasovic.
So where do we stand in Godzilla vs. Rodan?
raheem kassam
And I think she's got 12 million followers, over 12.2 million followers now.
So it's very rare that she gets ratioed.
Now what ratio means is, for the people who are unaware, is where you get criticized in your comments to the point where there are more comments under your post than there are retweets and likes on your post.
So people are actually weighing in to say, you know, cut the BS.
And that doesn't happen to somebody typically who has 12.2 million followers and it's never happened to AOC before.
steve bannon
Never happened to her.
raheem kassam
Never happened.
jack posobiec
Never happened.
And people are saying, how did AOC get ratioed by Jack Posobiec?
And because she slipped.
raheem kassam
So this is the moment where for a lot of people coming to this and seeing, uh, you know, recognizing that she lied for the first time and they've watched her on Twitch.
steve bannon
Do you think she lied or she just embellished?
What's the difference?
raheem kassam
It's a very heavy embellish if I'm being generous.
steve bannon
Is this a character flaw?
Or do you think that she just got carried away with this?
raheem kassam
I think what it's going to do is it's going to cause a lot of people to now go, wow, all these other things that I've taken for granted, what she's saying, maybe they're not true either.
I asked her a question.
jack posobiec
I said, AOC, while I have your attention, Since you're, you know, criticizing me, you want to come after me, I have a question for you.
Why aren't you down at the border today where Joe Biden is now opening the new overflow centers for migrant children?
You know, I know that's such an issue that's important to you.
Are you going to go back down there?
I haven't seen it.
steve bannon
We're actually going to have the angel moms.
Okay, in 30 seconds, I want to give your final thoughts today on what's breaking about Liz Cheney.
I want to start with you, Rahim, and then go to Jack.
Tomorrow morning, 10 o'clock, we're going to have Mary Ann Mendoza, the Angel Moms, talking about the border and what Biden's doing.
Also Bernie Kerrick about all the violence that's going around the country is not being reported from Chicago to New York to Portland.
All that tomorrow morning.
Liz Cheney.
raheem kassam
Well McCarthy's kind of done the smartest thing he could do for his own skin here, which is he played up the green stuff.
In order that he could say, oh, I'm actually not going to do anything on either, and effectively that kind of nullifies each other.
In his mind, in how he's calculating people will look at this.
The problem with that is, is we are far more concerned with having Liz Cheney removed than we are concerned with Marjorie Taylor Greene keeping her committee assignments, right?
And I think even Marjorie Taylor Greene would say that that's the right way to prioritize it.
jack posobiec
Everything we're seeing right now is a proxy war for the soul of the Republican Party and the direction of this Republic.
And the populists are not going away.
steve bannon
I tell you, tomorrow we're going to have a very special ceremony.
Someone sent us a very special gift.
We've got to take some time.
We've got Sir Tom Moore to talk about, etc.
Real quickly, the AOC thing.
Podcast as well.
Podcast with Raheem tomorrow is on fire.
Today's one was awesome with Matt Taylor.
Matt Taylor talking about social media.
This is one of the smartest guys in the country.
Where does this thing with AOC go overnight?
jack posobiec
Or it goes to AOC is, look, do not slip up.
Do not smear people.
Tell the truth, AOC.
And we will be on your side as long as you're on the side of the people.
steve bannon
Put it in back of your AOC and announce tomorrow you're gonna primary Chuck Schumer.
jack posobiec
Let's go.
steve bannon
That's what we're looking for.
Okay, see you tomorrow morning, 10 o'clock.
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