Robert Evans and Sophia dismantle Ben Shapiro's 2005 book Generation Sex, exposing his reliance on biased sources like the Heritage Foundation and Tom Wolfe while ignoring data proving abstinence-only education fails to reduce teen pregnancy or STIs. They challenge his fabrication of interview subjects and his reduction of the Clinton scandal to children learning about oral sex, arguing he ignores power imbalances. Ultimately, the hosts conclude that Shapiro's fear-based approach contradicts polling showing strong support for comprehensive sex education, revealing a fundamental lack of understanding regarding female pleasure and informed decision-making. [Automatically generated summary]
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Sophie, is that an introduction?
I mean, it is because you did it.
So, well, welcome to America and also to podcasts.
I'm Robert Evans.
What?
What?
Welcome to the past.
I feel like you're turning from podcast daddy into podcast uncle.
And the vibes are just of you like, do, do, do, is, do, did, do wrong.
And then all we're again is like, whatever.
And also, if you look at him, his nose is all pink right now.
Yeah.
Huge uncle vibes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We are back and we're going to be talking today, as we did one of the last times we talked, about Ben Shapiro's 2013 book, Porn Generation.
How liberalism is corrupting our future.
Yeah.
We're back and we're drier than ever.
Yeah, we are.
We are bone dry.
Now, Sophia, obviously, because I returned the Kindle edition of Ben's book last time, I had to go get it again.
And as I was typing into Google, I mistyped the title because it's porn generation.
I typed Generation Sex into the title.
And lo and behold, I got a result for a Ben Shapiro book from 2005.
Now, when I look at it on Amazon, it's called Generation Sex Exposing the Full Frontal Assault on American Innocence.
Full frontal assault.
What a title.
I know.
You know, the only thing The only person that knows less about pleasing a woman than present-day adult Ben Shapiro is 16-year-old past Ben Shapiro.
Yeah, fucking child Ben Shapiro.
Well, I don't know how to do it.
I look forward to finding out how he hedgehogged a bunch of ladies' cervixes while fingering because he did not know how to fucking hurt his fingers.
What a born in 1984, so he would have been what?
21.
This would have been 21-year-old Ben Shapiro.
Yep, don't trust him.
Don't let him near anywhere near Evolva.
What are you doing?
Certainly not.
I don't want him exposing anything of himself.
But he published this apparently in 2005.
It's 320 pages, published by Thomas Nelson Inc.
Amazon says that there was only a hardcover available, and the book is currently unavailable.
They don't know when it will be back in stock.
We have to haunt it on eBay.
If you have a copy or find a copy of Ben Shapiro's 2005 book, Generation Sex, Sophia and I, and I think we can speak for Cody Johnston in this, would very much appreciate getting our hands on that little bastard.
We don't mean Ben Shapiro.
We mean the book.
We mean the book.
I do want to read the Goodreads summary of this book because I found that.
Who would?
Let's dive in.
American society, according to Ben Shapiro, is a sex machine.
From movies to sitcoms, rap to rock, teen mags to porno rags.
American culture has become a pusher of promiscuity and perversion.
And in this sharp, audacious, fearless book, Shapiro, the most prominent young conservative in the nation, reveals the gross over-sexualization of our society and how it targets youth culture from early education, or rather indoctrination, to the disastrous world of sex, lust, and immorality that pervades our high schools, colleges, and beyond.
By clearly identifying the problems, many unnoticed or ignored, of an out-of-control MTV culture, overly sexual ad campaigns, and an overly permissive mainstream media, Shapiro illustrates the dangers and devastating consequences awaiting today's kids who are, in essence, being sexually assaulted on a daily basis.
Shapiro also provides real, solid, and often drastic solutions for what we can and must do to stop the corruption of America's youth.
God damn.
I'm sorry, sexually assaulted?
That is deranged.
Among other things.
How out of touch do you have to be in 2005 to think that MTV is a major force in youth culture?
Again, 2005.
I remember too, I was in high school in 2005.
I don't know anybody who watched MTV except for like my Gen X cousins.
Okay, I was in college.
That hurts.
But the point is, yes, that's incredibly out of touch.
And also, I cannot imagine being more out of touch than referring to anything as a sex machine when you're 21 years old.
And I know he was like, this is a fucking killer pun.
Yeah.
Like, this is fucking sick.
Everyone's going to want to be my best friend.
It's really going to blow up my social calendar.
Yeah.
I mean, and again, as we've noted, like, his premise is as inaccurate here as it is in his 2013 book.
Like, young people are less promiscuous than previous generations for a variety of reasons, which we don't need to litigate now.
But the data is incredibly consistent on that point.
Yep.
And yeah, I want to read this book.
There's something horrific to be said about the fact that he talks about how kids being exposed to, I'm guessing Janet Jackson's boobs at the Super Bowl are being sexually assaulted.
The fact that he considers, I don't know, everyone not wearing Puritan garb to be sexual assault is offensive for a lot of reasons and says a lot about Ben Shapiro's mindset.
But so I just love the life experiences of a man that have been so sheltered and adorable that he can use a sexually assaulted phrase so liberally without thinking about it even a little bit.
Anyway, Generation Sex on Goodreads has 12 ratings, an average of 2.58 out of 5.
So it sounds like a good 2.58.
Yeah.
That's a lot higher.
That means someone went over too.
That does mean someone went over two.
That's not good news for us.
And they didn't.
Can you read the most positive review, please?
There are no positive reviews that are written.
Like the three written reviews are all.
It was the coward's review of justice.
I think Ben came in there.
I think a bunch of people gave it two stars and Ben gave it five.
Like, I think that's probably what happened.
That sounds realistic.
Yeah.
Sounds like our good lad, Ben Shapiro.
But now it's probably time that we dive into porn generation.
We just do this.
We get face deep in the porn generation.
Don't you think we could all get time saved if Ben Shapiro just admitted he was bad at sex?
I mean, it's not that he's bad at sex.
It's that he's terrified of it in a manner that like completely, to use an old term, completely like he's he's clearly deeply frightened by the idea that other people enjoy sex.
Like that's what's going on with Ben Shapiro.
He is scared that there are people out there fucking and enjoying it.
And I think he's scared that he doesn't get it.
And the only thing to do when you don't get something is to hate it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, he's he's he's just on the edge of being of the incel mindset in a lot of ways.
Like he's framing it as like everybody's having all this sex and it's like super immoral and it's damaging society.
And the incel line is that like a small number of like hypersexual men are having sex with all of the women and women just want to take all of the big chad.
Like that's that's the incel line.
And Benz is 15%, you know, away from that line, but but not that far.
And some of it's just using slightly different terms.
And I think that also ties into like the fear of like trans people and queer culture in general.
Because like, can you imagine that not only are people having sex and enjoying themselves, but they might be doing it in a way that he has not thought of yet.
Yeah.
And I think that's.
I'm sure if no one told him about going down on women, he like would have never considered it.
Not that he considers it now.
But I mean, like, it just wouldn't occur to him.
I am certain that he thinks it should be illegal to perform oral sex.
I agree.
Yeah.
And he also thinks butts should be illegal.
Yeah, he definitely thinks butts should be illegal.
All right.
So I was just looking into one of the sources, Ben.
So like after, you remember when we were talking last time, we kind of ended on Ben talking about this young woman, Katie, who he interviewed about sex ed, who was like, yeah, it was fine.
I felt like I got good sex ed.
I didn't have sex until I was like, you know, 19.
And she was like, and they broke Katie.
Yeah.
And yeah, Ben was like, look at, I mean, sure, she's well-adjusted and successful and doing well at an Ivy League institution, but what other damage could there be that we can't see?
Like, okay, so he goes from like, he talks about Katie and like how, like, he's got this, like, his actual case study of someone who went through this sex that he's horrified by is that, like, yeah, you know, eventually I had sex and it was fine and I feel good about, you know, healthy about where I am and she seems to be doing great.
And so like the case study he brings up to point out how bad all this actually is is a book by Tom Wolfe about a fictional girl named Charlotte Simmons.
And I read into this.
We made fun of the fact last time just that like he's his he's arguing that like this is evidence of how teens actually are this book written by a man who was in his 60s when he published this book.
And it's also, I read more about it because it's like one of the most panned and hated Tom Wolf books.
So like this book about young people like 19 year olds in 2004 written by Tom Wolf, everyone has a pager and the internet has never mentioned.
Look, no one knows more about young people than old people.
Everybody knows.
Fucking Tom Wolf.
It's very funny.
So one of the people he brings in as a source after this is Kay Heimowitz, who is the author of a book called Ready or Not, Why Treating Children as Small Adults Endangers Their Future and Ours.
And she I kind of looked into this lady a little bit like by a little bit being her Wikipedia.
And I found a couple of quotes from her articles that people have pulled out.
Here's one from a Wall Street Journal editorial.
Marital breakdown is not rampant across the land.
It is concentrated among low-income and black couples.
Americans seem to have a lot of trouble grasping this fact, probably because so much public space is taken up by politicians, celebrities, and journalists with marriage on the skids.
She argues that like divorce is declining among well-educated white people and that couples are happier than ever, which I don't think the evidence suggests.
Well, I mean, the divorce rate in recent years has been declining.
It was not in 2000.
But I believe it's because fewer and fewer people are getting married.
Yes, a lot fewer people.
That'll account for less divorce.
It's kind of how that goes.
So yeah, he cites shortly after he's talking about Katie.
He cites Kay Heimowitz's book, Ready or Not, What Happens When We Treat Children as Small Adults.
And in that, Kay argues that anti-culturalists are people who believe that childhood sexuality, left on its own, free of social interference, will flourish and grow in healthy ways.
So like that's her attitude is that like if you just let kids kind of do what comes naturally and provide them with information.
And become perverts.
Yeah, it's anti-cultural to do that.
It's anti-cultural to not try and take control of the direction of your child's sexuality and dictate it.
And then Ben quotes a long passage from Kay's terrible book.
Drained of all feeling but physical pleasure, rationalized into Philofax personal organizer entries, the sex given to us by this ministry is little more than techno-fantasy.
They do not see the alternately insecure and grandiose, idealistic and crude, perpetually glandular teenager most of us know.
Their teenager, like that of so many other experts, is rational, self-aware, and autonomous.
Information is all these kids need, they say.
Information and some deprogramming to counteract society's continuing efforts to pervert their healthy sexual natures.
So now we have a nation of teenagers who are information rich but knowledge poor.
They and their 10-year-old brothers and sisters, for that matter, maybe adults when it comes to technical information.
Certainly their putative sophistication about sexual matters is the subject of endless head shaking by parents in the media.
But as they approach graduation in the anti-cultural school of self-sufficiency, they remain predictably illiterate when it comes to real human connection.
Okay, so the reason my face looks like this is because I'm still trying to get over perpetually glandular.
Yeah, glandular.
Yeah, it's this idea, like teens are so controlled by their emotions and so that you have to, that you have to, parents have to have total control over them.
It's this idea that like my parents had, that like, as your parent, it is my job to exercise total control over you if I think you're doing something that's not healthy, which is bad and makes your kid not want to talk to you for years.
By the way, if parents happen to be here.
Yeah, it's not a great sign when your child is afraid to tell you anything that has to do with their authentic sexual development.
And it is like, it's this thing where like there's always a germ of truth in this thing.
And the germ of truth is that, well, yeah, teenagers aren't done developing.
Like they're not adults.
They shouldn't be treated entirely as adults.
They don't have the kind of impulse control that we expect adults to have.
But the only way they get that kind of control and become adults is by being given greater and greater autonomy and power over their own lives and information to make good choices and space to make choices and mistakes.
And I don't think Ben ever got that.
I think Ben was directed like a fucking missile from the time he was a child by his family to like become this.
So I guess I get why he agrees with that.
But it is, it's this terror you see in Kay's book and in Ben's book about like giving teenagers a chance to just like be themselves and figure out who that is.
That to them is like not just scary, but like obviously abusive is their attitude towards just like, yeah, kids should be allowed to figure shit out for themselves, which I think is the basis of a healthy society.
I think, honestly, I think that's the as someone who has zero children.
Terror of Teenagers Being Themselves00:13:59
I think that's the thing that seems the hardest about having a teenager is so much of their understanding is so advanced, but they're not done developing yet.
Their brain will keep changing well into their 20s.
So to treat them as full-on adults is wrong.
That's why we don't date teenagers unless we are morally corrupt.
And it is also why when teenagers get accused of crimes, it's a different thing.
Your brain is not really able to make the same decisions and understand consequences and understand priorities in the same way that an adult's brain is.
That is what that is.
So I'm sure the hard thing about raising a teenager is walking that line of like, I want you to be safe, but also I want you to be a person that learns how to make your own decisions.
And it seems like Ben thinks the safest thing is to never let anyone make any decisions.
And then that way they will learn everything they need to know.
Well, actually, he thinks the safest thing is to lie to them.
Well, same thing.
Yeah, it is.
So he quotes Dr. Drew Pinsky, host of Loveline, when she says, as a peer program, the sort of scare tactics that are used with abstinence-only education really don't seem to work.
And this is something, there's a lot of statistics backing this up.
Abstinence-only education does not reduce the number of teens fucking each other or teen pregnancies or ST. Like, it's not good.
It's fine to tell kids that it's okay to be abstinent.
That's perfectly reasonable.
But like, abstinence-only education is not reasonable and doesn't work.
And there's a lot of documentation.
There's so many studies that prove that.
Also, Dr. Drew Red Flag.
Yeah, I mean, Dr. Drew comes across as the good guy in this because he here's here's how Ben responds to Dr. Drew.
Yes, using scare tactics is wrong in most situations, but when the subject cannot comprehend the harmful consequences of an action not yet taken, then fear is an appropriate motivator to inhibit such an action.
It's always comical to watch a parent engage a two-year-old child in a Socratic dialogue about why the kid can't cross the street without an adult present.
A two-year-old child can't understand the concept of death, just as a 10-year-old child can't understand the crucial emotional loss and desensitization suffered as a result of sex without rules.
Fear of consequences, whether those consequences are spiritual or physical, is a critical component to teaching restraint.
The fuck is sex without rules.
Sex without.
That's the thing, because it's one of those things like kids are just like naturally doing SNM without safe words, because that's what it sounds like.
And a perfectly thing that would be both consistent with conservatism and also a thing that no human being could agree with is if you just said, 10-year-olds shouldn't be having sex.
They're not ready to have sex.
That statement 100% of reasonable people agree with.
Ben doesn't say that.
He understands they can't handle sex without rules.
Like, it's kind of scary that he's making that distinction.
That he's like, the data is a little bit different.
He's like hederasty loop.
10-year-olds might be having rule-less sex.
I don't think 10-year-olds should be fucking period, Ben.
Like, what kind of rules would make it okay?
Only if you take them out to dinner first and buy them pokemon.
I mean, I don't know if this is what Ben is saying.
I think he's just a bad writer.
But like, one of the obvious things is that, like, it's actually very easy to marry 12, 13, 14-year-olds as an adult in a lot of U.S. states if the parents agree.
And it's specifically because there are religions where that chunks of Christianity in the U.S. where shit like that happens, where like 14-year-olds get married off, and nobody on the right is fighting to stop it because it's part of their culture to marry off children.
It's not like you say what you want about it.
They don't fight that shit.
Not that there aren't Christians who fight that shit, but like the right as an organized political force is making no inroads to stop these like weird fucking religious kind of culty marriages that happen all over the fucking country.
It's great.
It's good shit, Sophia.
Fucking lucky.
Oh, he brings up Katie again.
He takes a shot at our girl, Katie.
How fucking dare you?
Katie, if you're listening, if you're the, I think, Yale student who Ben Shapiro interviewed about sex, first off, you did great.
Second, hit us up.
I'm really curious about how that conversation with Ben went.
Agreed.
And also, way to just keep your head about yourself, Katie, when questioned about.
Sorry you had to talk to Ben Shapiro about your sex life.
That can't have been easy.
Good for your mental health or your sex life.
Yeah.
Social liberals also argue, as Katie does, that kids will have sex sooner or later.
So it's better to prepare them for it while they're young.
This kind of cynical resignation has less to do with realism than with promoting a certain political agenda.
In reality, social liberals abandon determinism whenever it conflicts with their moral outlook.
They say that educating kids about cigarette use means telling them to say no under all circumstances.
Instead of teaching them that if they do decide to smoke, they should use filters to minimize their health risk.
Ben, how are you going to buy cigarettes without filter?
Unless Ben Shapiro thinks there's a shitload of third graders out there rolling their own cigarettes.
He's like, I love the image of.
They're a strict palm all community.
Just a bunch of kids standing around the stickball pitch, like one-handed rolling cigarettes, smoking them with a thousand-yard stare.
I mean, I guess in Ben Shapiro's America, that's the kind of shit you got to watch out for.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, when he gets coal mining legalized for children again, there will be a lot of seven-year-olds one-handed rolling their cigarettes as they wait to go down on the fucking elevator into the dark.
Yeah, but please don't let them have sex without rules.
As long as they're not fucking Ben's fine with it.
Sex at seven.
Just not without rules.
And also, Ben, telling kids to just say no to drugs, including cigarettes, isn't a liberal thing.
That's all of American politics for like 20 years.
Republicans and Democrats were lockstep about that shit.
Like the Democrat, Joe Biden was a big part of the whole mandatory minimum shit.
You telling me, you want to pretend to me that conservatives and liberals were not both lockstep about just say no policies.
I'll call you a fucking liar, Ben Shapiro.
Ron Paul's the only guy who gets, who's, I don't think falls into that on the right, because whatever else you can say about him, he was consistent on that.
Yeah, it's fucking wow, Ben.
Social liberals want to prevent children from knowing anything about gun use instead of training children to use firearms responsibly.
Apparently, kids won't use guns sooner or later if we tell them no.
Well, okay, number one, I agree, Ben.
There's 400 million guns in the country.
Kids should probably be given a little bit more instruction on what they are and how they work.
They're basic aspects of American life.
There's an argument to be made.
But most kids will never have a gun.
Most Americans don't own guns.
100% of Americans own genitals.
And pretty close to 100% of American adults have sex at some point.
There's just not like a comparison between the two.
And for another thing, like a gun is a thing that you can buy.
Sex is a thing that human beings kind of inherently do to make more people.
It's like, there's not comparing the two.
One is fundamental.
Yeah.
It's like saying like, well, we don't teach kids how to drive in school, but we teach them nutrition.
It's like, well, yeah, because not all kids are going to own cars, but they'll all eat.
Like, you could argue, maybe we should have something in high school that like teaches kids about car.
Like, whatever.
I'm not going to fight against it.
But like, one thing is more basic than the other, Ben.
You also can't kill anybody.
Well, it's harder to with sex.
Kill people with sex.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It can be done.
It can be done.
Most social liberals would prefer that kids be sexualized younger so that they can become more tolerant of deviant lifestyles and what everyone used to acknowledge is immoral choices.
The liberal sexual agenda underlies the teaching of sex education.
As David Campos, author of Sex, Youth, and Sex Education, a reference handbook, proclaims, to achieve a sexually healthy lifestyle, youth must acquire a positive and comfortable attitude about sex.
Franked and fact-based discussions about topics once considered taboo are essential.
Abortions, condoms, masturbation, oral sex, and homosexuality are among the topics to be found in comprehensive sex education programs.
Obviously, that fucking terrifies Ben.
And he responds to that by saying, Katie's statements that she can't remember any moral judgments being made sums up today's sex education.
Because Ben thinks that masturbation and condoms and homosexuality and oral sex, he does think oral sex is immoral, clearly.
Anytime anyone comes, he thinks it's immoral, essentially.
Yeah, unless you're trying to make Ben Shapiro's kids, which he only feels a little bad about.
No, he doesn't want you to come then either.
Yeah, he doesn't want you to come.
Because then the kids are tainted forever with the sin of pleasure.
Who wants that?
Yeah.
You want them to become joyless automatons just like you.
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
So Ben now quotes another woman, he's careful to let us know she's a 23-year-old black woman from Harvard Law, April Cornell.
Wow, you have to meet a black person for this?
He really did.
Well, he says he did.
I don't actually know if any of these are real people.
But she says, being a teenager sucks.
Teenagers have way more choice today than they had 50 years ago.
I have way more choice than my parents did when they were 15 or 16.
It never would have occurred to my mom not to decide not to have sex or decide not to use drugs.
There are decisions I had to make as opposed to this is the way it is.
I think kids are being forced into choices.
They're not ready to handle.
Which is an interesting attitude, I guess, but I don't like think makes much sense.
I guess I disagree with you, April, and the statistics disagree with you too, because again, kids are choosing to have sex less.
I wonder if I can find April Cornell, if she's an actual person.
She probably changed her name after it came out in this book.
Yeah, I would want to.
Oh, this may not be a real person.
April Court, I found an I typed in April Cornell Harvard because Ben let us know that she worked at Harvard.
And the only result that came up was a Harvard Crimson article about April Cornell, which is a store that sells like New England aesthetic clothing.
Oh, God.
I wonder if Ben Shapiro just learned that and this is Kaiser Sosa.
Yeah, yeah, it's like a store chain.
Oh, no.
And there is an actual April Cornell who's an artist and entrepreneur.
She was born in Montreal, Canada, and she's pretty white.
And I don't think has said any of the things Ben said.
No, but the other person was Ann Taylor, and then right after her, Diane von Furstenberg.
It was Alyssa's really.
That's fascinating.
I wonder, like, I can't comprehensively say that that's not a real person, but it's very funny that when I type that in in Harvard, I don't get any kind of alumni or anything.
I get the...
Well, wait till you hear from his friend, Lane Bryant.
And then also his friend, Stella McCarthy.
And he quotes this friend and roommate of hers next.
I wonder if this is real.
One sec.
I'm trying to dig into this now.
Yeah.
Does his friend Walmart have anything to say?
Because he quotes the next, after he talks to April, he quotes Michelle McCoy, her roommate, apparently, or friend.
And yep, I'm not finding any references to her as working at Harvard at all either or being a student at Harvard at all either.
So nothing comes up on either of these people.
I don't know that I think they're real.
I wonder if Ben made up all of these people.
I wonder if Katie's even real.
Or perhaps Katie's real and he felt like he had to make up other Harvard students or other Ivy League students to make a different point.
Because they're saying, here's the quote he puts in Michelle's mouth.
I think there's more, a lot more pressure because so many things are accepted.
There's already enough pressure on teenagers to be cool and social.
And when you get rid of any moral constraints that would weigh upon them, it makes life a lot harder.
I don't know that I think a person who's not Ben Shapiro would say that.
That doesn't actually sound like a thing a person would say.
I don't know.
I think Ben Shapiro may have invented people for his book.
I can't prove that.
This is my theory.
If you are any of these people.
If you are any of these people.
If you are Ann Taylor, if you are Katie.
If you are any of these people, please let us know.
Because the funniest thing would be if Katie's real, but he just invented these others to have a foil to her because she was so reasonable.
But you know who is having a lot of sex, Sophia?
Oh, God.
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You know, thanks for checking in.
A lot has changed since five seconds ago.
So scars for a life.
It's been a lot.
We talked about Come a Good Amount.
You sure did.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So Ben brings up this narrow, the National Abortions Rights Action League or whatever, like a campaign they carried off in the bush years to like order, try to order a chastity belt from George Bush, which was, I guess, some sort of campaign they were going.
And Ben's response to that is: the choice not to have sex is apparently not a real choice.
A real choice is whether to use the condom or whether to get an abortion after having unprotected sex.
And it's like, no, Ben, it's not that the choice not to have sex isn't a choice.
It's that saying that the only choice should be to not have sex is not a choice.
You should have a choice to have sex or not have sex, to have sex unprotected or using a condom, to get an abortion or to carry a fetus to term.
You should have those, all of those choices.
Every person should have all of those choices.
Plan B. Don't act like that.
Plan B. I'm not saying those are the only choices.
You can come on someone's tits.
Like, there's a lot of choices.
Accidental damn.
They're harder to find than you'd think, but you can use them.
I know.
You have diaphragms.
You can use them.
Harder to find.
What's not, it's not a real choice just saying to choose abstinence.
That's not a choice.
That's giving someone no option.
It's just say no is not a choice.
And just because you yourself are not a person that experiences horniness doesn't mean then I'm not judging you for it, but you're judging everyone who is horny.
Yeah.
And on the behalf of the horny and the very horny, I am very offended.
That's right.
That's right.
Horny action.
Now, I don't know.
I think, I think, look, all I'm saying is I think grocery stores should have special parking for horny people.
Right up there.
Yes, I agree.
This is what horny America looks like.
Yeah, yeah.
And if you park there and you're not horny, people should give you shit for it.
What do we want?
You don't look horny.
When do we want it?
Now, hey, you see this guy just pulled into the horny parking.
He looks horny to you.
No!
He doesn't look like he's fucked a day in his life.
Let's get him.
Horny lynch mobs beating people who are horny enough in the street.
He looks flacid to me.
Get him.
Her panties are dry.
Get her.
He's driving a Hyundai Sonata.
No horny person ever drove a Hyundai Sonata.
What's that, Akea?
Get out of here.
No, no.
You can absolutely be horny in Ikea.
That's you can.
I think that's the only way you can be in a K.
That is the car for fucking.
So, yeah, sex in the classroom is the next section.
We are just blazing through this.
It's easy enough to find anecdotal evidence regarding the dangers of comprehensive sex ed.
Young teens being taught about the benefits of oral sex, masturbation, and homosexual activity, all without parental notification.
The Massachusetts Department of Health creating a video in 1989 explaining what to do before, during, and after sex.
That's a bad thing to Ben.
Just like, yeah, that there's that there's a public health thing.
Imagine knowing what to do before, during, and after an earthquake.
That assured the earthquake will take place.
And it's like, he's framing this as like decadent modern values pushing sex.
Like, my grandma was like 17 when she got married.
Like, what do you Ben?
Teenagers have been fucking since there have been teenagers.
We might as well make sure they know the basics about what to do.
Like, it's like if every teenager was born with a gun grafted onto their hand, I would be like, yeah, we definitely need to have gun training in school.
They've all got one.
They can't be removed.
Every teenager has a gun permanently attached to their bodies.
We should probably teach them how to use it.
It's kind of like that, Ben.
Does that make sense to you?
Does comparing it to guns make it reasonable?
Picture a gun dick, if you have Ben.
Imagine that bullets are come, Ben.
Can you imagine this?
I mean, he doesn't know how to use guns or his dick.
It's true.
It's true.
Yeah.
Imagine you're another human.
Yeah.
That's a big imagination.
If you could do that.
If you could do that, you could not be this much of a right-wing piece of shit.
Yeah.
Oh, fun.
So we get a little bit of history here.
Ben goes through the history of sex ed and talks about how it was initially sex hygiene, which is, which is accurate.
Like the first sex ed sort of campaigns were about venereal diseases in particular, a lot of the time spreading among soldiers and like trying to tell people like, hey, here's how to not get syphilis, right?
Like that's that is kind of where like a lot of it came.
But then he still gets it wrong because he talks about how teaching of sex hygiene was largely incorrectly couched in moral terms.
The only way to cure the sexual evils thoroughly, the only way to dig them up at the roots, was to prescribe the same standard of morality for a man as for a woman.
Men must be as chaste as women.
And like, no, Ben is actually just talking about one sex.
He's talking about guys like Harvey Kellogg, who did say that we all have to be chaste and that like you should do everything you can to not have sexual feelings.
But that's separate from a lot of the medical history of sex education, which while there was a moral element, it was mainly because like you are going to damage your body and you are a member of this society or a soldier in this military and it's like your responsibility to not endanger yourself.
Like there was, anyway, it's just Ben again deletes all nuance from his recollection of the historical record because he's a goblin.
Yeah, then we get on to Kinsey.
I'm going to skip through the history stuff because I'm going to guess Ben gets all of it more or less that incomplete.
Today's sex ed experience for most members of the porn generation is wedded to the idea of permissiveness and tolerance for all sorts of behaviors.
As inherently sexual beings, the argument goes, our sexuality should not and cannot be contained by any system of morality.
Sexuality is as much a natural characteristic as race.
Oh boy.
Uh-oh.
Oh man.
Please, please let another ignoramus fucking talk about race.
Yeah.
Jesus fucking Christian.
He zooms right over this because he, again, he's talking about like how shitty it is.
Like one of the things he strikes as being bad is that no form of sexual expression may be condemned and all must be taught, which like, man, I went through sex ed in the period you're writing about and we barely learned about like sexual intercourse.
Like there was no talk about blowjobs.
There was no talk about like anal sex other than like the vague reference that like a condom is always a good thing to have if you're having sex.
Like this idea that kids are being instructed in elaborate sexual acts has like no basis in actual sex ed programs.
And not just that, but even the knowledge we received about sexual organs was wildly like patchy, I guess.
Yeah, patchy would be a good term for it.
You know, I mean, I don't think that most people who went through sex ed could tell you where the fallopian tubes are, exactly how many eggs a woman has.
I can tell you because anytime my friend Valerie has a joke about how many eggs a woman makes, and you can tell by only the women laughing and not even all of them, that men do not know how many eggs women make in a lifetime.
And I know why I'm saying this, men are Googling this right now.
And that's like what, 40?
They should Google it because it's important.
The point is, we don't learn enough.
We don't learn enough.
My best guy friend, only a couple of years ago, I found out he's 40.
I just found out that he does, he thought that when a woman gets pregnant, she throws up one time.
That's how she knows she's pregnant and then she's done.
Because of movies.
Because that's how every movie lets you know that the character is pregnant.
Situation pukes once.
That's funny.
All the women that he's ever heard complaining about morning sickness, he thought they meant the one time they throw up.
Oh my God.
Yeah, that's that's fascinating because that tells you so much about like, oh, so you just like weren't around any pregnant people when you were when you were a kid.
Like no.
Yeah.
I don't know.
That's funny.
Wild.
Still, it's just completely strange, but that is how little all of us know.
Yeah.
And it's like, I mean, men don't often know much about their own sexual organs.
It's just that thankfully operation is generally pretty simple.
And yeah, just the level of like basic ignorance of really important facts of sex and of STDs, of like stuff like herpes, like and how it spread and like how common it is.
Like that's the, we're terrible.
Like the idea, like not only is Ben wrong about like what kids are actually doing, but he's completely off about the degree to which any of the education that does exist is explicit because it's barely adequate in the best of situations.
Like barely adequate is like the gold standard for sex ed in most public schools.
And it's like, and it's telling because he knows more or less what's being taught.
He just thinks that it's obscene, that like that a 16-year-old would know at all the basic process by which two people have sexual intercourse or the idea that anal sex is an option.
Like the fact that they know that is abhorrent to him.
It's not a matter of like kids being shown pornography.
It's that they should not know these are options.
And I think a lot of it is that like if they don't know that it's possible to have gay sex, then Ben thinks they won't be gay.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And that if they didn't know that trans was a thing, they wouldn't be trans.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's the like that that is why he's so angry at kids being taught things.
Because again, they're not doing things.
They're not doing sex at like sexual stuff at any kind of a higher rate.
We know this.
And I have to think Ben knows this, unless he's even more incompetent than I think he is, because his real problem is that people are expressing themselves physically in ways that make him uncomfortable because he's a fucking goblin, and he doesn't think that should be allowed.
And you see that at the end of this segment when he's talking about like the immorality of sex ed again.
These radical sex educators are correct in one sense.
Sex shouldn't be shameful, but just because people have natural desires and drives doesn't legitimate those natural desires and drives in all contexts, especially outside the context of marriage.
I think the sigh is something Ben Shapiro hears a lot in the bedroom.
Yeah.
And here's the section: the attack on abstinence begins with him just being very wrong again.
The public policy brilliance of comprehensive sex education is its self-justifying nature.
Sex education is used skyrocketing rates of venereal disease, teen pregnancy, and sexual immorality as an excuse to teach its panoramic view of sexuality.
Unfortunately, there's a rising threat looming on the horizon for sex educators.
Abstinence education.
If morality can somehow be infused back into sex education, if the tolerance for all sexual activity mission may be discarded safely, the Kinseyans are out of a job.
Okay.
I don't know what he thinks.
How many jobs he thinks are in the Kinsey community?
Yeah, it's not a huge industry there.
Fewer than he thinks.
I don't know if it's a good idea.
It kind of seems like yelling about abstinence is much more lucrative.
I literally know the curator at the Kinsey Institute.
I can tell you.
Not rolling in the dough.
Yeah.
Also, shout out Rebecca.
Good for you, Rebecca.
And yeah.
The social liberals claim that abstinence education doesn't work because, of course, abstinence is impossible.
Denying our young people accurate information about sexual health will not prevent unintended pregnancies or the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
It will, however, prevent them from making responsible and informed decisions about their health and futures.
Growled William Smith, director of public policy at some organization called Seekers that deals with sex ed.
I love that Ben has to, like, he said what he's saying is so reasonable, but that Ben has to color it by saying he growled it.
It's very funny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's.
Oh, okay.
So he has, he cites another student.
So this is Ann Kim of the University of Washington.
And this person, who Ben says exists, apparently said this.
Within this culture where sex sells everything from shampoo to gum, George Bush has proposed doubling the amount of federal funding for abstinence-only sex education in the classroom.
It's a farce to assume that exclusively teaching no sex is safe sex will prevent teens from having it.
This message dissolves in the real world where teens, regardless of whether they're sexually active, want to know and talk about sex.
So that's him citing someone that I'm sure he disagrees with that I still don't know if I think that's a person other than Ben.
I wonder if he may.
I'm going to see if I can find evidence that this person is.
Yeah, good luck.
I just want to know.
They're sitting right next to Ann Taylor, so don't you even worry about that.
Oh, well, maybe.
There's an assistant manager at Sunrise Dental who graduated from the University of Washington recently.
You know what?
I'm going to go ahead and say that I think Ann Kim might be a real person.
Yay, Ben.
Yeah, I should doctor a pharmacist.
She actually talked to a human being.
Yeah, and so yeah, there may be some real people in this.
Fascinating.
I do believe that Ann Kim is a person.
So that may, and Ann Kim seems to be saying a reasonable thing.
Credible Sexual Assault Allegations Against Clinton00:08:19
Even though I don't, I don't, I still don't know how much I believe that she said sex sells everything from shampoo to gum.
But maybe, maybe.
That just seems like such a Ben Shapiro line.
Well, I was just going to say also that, yes, yes.
The extremely sexual gum commercials.
I mean, I'm thinking of Double Mint twins, right?
Bubbalicious.
What's the sexiest gum commercial?
Oh, Big League Chew.
Nothing makes me want to, nothing makes me want to fuck like Big League Chew.
I thought that was a candy.
It is.
It's gum.
Oh, but it's gum and a candy?
It's gum and a candy.
Yeah.
Okay.
I've never had big league chew.
All right.
So the next line that Ben has at the end of this, or during this abstinence section, is, the truth is, it's too early to tell whether abstinence education can work at a wide level.
There have been no conclusive studies one way for another.
That's not true.
It's funny because he says, and the studies that do exist conflict with each other.
Now, I found a 2011 study.
It's pretty fucking conclusive.
Yeah.
I was working at Planned Parenthood in 2004.
It was already something that everybody knew.
Yeah, I found a 2011 study from the U.S. National Library of Medicine that seems to be pretty comprehensive and includes the line.
The data clearly show clearly that abstinence-only education is a state policy, is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the U.S.
Yeah, so there's one study.
And then I found another study from 2010 that I think is like his like his best case study, which is from 2010 that and the archives of pediatric adolescent medicine, which found that abstinence-only intervention was effective in getting very young teens to delay sexual initiation, but the program is not the same as the abstinence until marriage programs funded by the Bush administration.
But it's very funny that he's like, there's no conclusive studies, and the studies that do exist conflict with each other.
Well, is it possible that the studies that say that it doesn't work are pretty conclusive?
And then there's some shit studies that say that it does work.
Because one study, the study he cites, yeah, the study that he cites is which claims that women who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are 40% less likely to have a child out of wedlock.
That comes from the Heritage Foundation.
Yeah.
Which is a right-wing think tank that is not at all a credible, unbiased source on anything.
Yeah.
They are not scientists.
They are right-wing ideologues paid to find things that argue for conservative causes.
Ding, ding, ding.
And if I'm not mistaken, yeah, yeah, we'll get into that later.
But they do publish a lot of stuff on abstinence-only education.
And in fact, I think I found the report, yeah, from 2002.
So that's also funny is that like this thing he's citing as evidence that it works from 2002.
We have 2010 and 11 studies that I found in like a second of Googling that showed that there's like it not only it's either ineffective, the programs he suggests, or the biggest study says actively harmful.
But again, Ben doesn't actually like, he does very selective research.
And in fact, I keep saying, I can't see anything in this 2013 book.
He keeps citing shit from 2002.
When there's data, 2010, 11, 13, 2009 studies I found, like there's a lot more research.
But they don't fit my narrative, okay?
2003, 2002, 2003.
That's all where it's from.
Again, that's a decade ago at this point in a field where there's rapidly being progress and a lot of studies being made.
In addition to the fact that like he's trying to talk like the kids that there's data on from 2003 aren't the generation he's primarily writing about in 2013, because those people are all college graduates in their mid-20s by 2013.
I don't know.
It's just, it's so gross.
It's like so comprehensively.
Manipulating data is also like very difficult.
Oh, good.
And now we get into, there's a whole, we get into it.
This ends with a whole rant on Hillary Clinton.
There's a sub chapter called The President's Goodnight Blowjobs talking about the Clinton impeachment scandal.
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Oh, he's, it's just like the idea that it's this thing that like, despite all of the fucked up shit the Clintons actually did, the worst thing is that Bill got a blowjob.
Which is like, there's a lot that's messed up about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, primarily the power imbalance between a young 20-year-old intern and the president of the United States.
Yeah, and fucking ruining her life for the decades to come because her name became associated with this thing that somehow made him be cool and somehow made her be a dumb slut.
Oh, wait, patriarchy, that's how.
Okay.
Even within just the like, just the subject, if you're like ignoring the fact that he let the Rwandan genocide happen or fucked up so badly in Bosnia or was presided over a campaign of sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq.
If you're dropping all of that by the wayside, right?
And if you're just focusing on the sex part of Bill Clinton, all that stuff you mentioned, perfectly valid things to criticize Clinton over, really solid evidence of arms that of harms that his sexual behavior had, you could also talk about the very credible sexual assault allegations against him.
That's not what Ben finds most offensive.
Here's Ben.
Here's the bottom line.
Without the Lewinsky scandal, millions of children would not have had to hear about this issue until reaching maturity, that issue being blowjobs.
Instead, oral sex and masturbation with cigars.
Yeah.
Issue on yourself more than that.
It's the thing where it's like, oh, you want to criticize Bill Clinton for like his sexual behaviors?
Like, absolutely.
There's like, yeah, let's talk about that.
There's a lot that's like really fucked up that he did that we should attack him for.
Oh, you're angry because kids heard about blowjobs.
Like, that's what's offensive about Bill Clinton's sex scandal to you is that like kids became aware of the existence of oral sex.
You little loser.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Wow.
And even quotes, that's incredible.
So he quotes a letter from agonized mother of four, Elizabeth Avery Shelton, who wrote a letter to the boy, Elizabeth.
Bury me with the inscription, agonized mother of four.
This woman wrote a letter to the editor of the Seattle Times and stated, I would like it to be known before her movie and book deal comes out that I want an apology from Lewinsky for being solely responsible for me having to explain oral sex to my four children, ages 12 to 8.
Now, Ben does note that Clinton owes parents an apology as well, but like, what the fuck?
Like, why would she be solely responsible?
Like, bro.
This is what the fuck?
Not that I think like that's not within the grand scheme of like things presidents do that are bad, the fact that kids learn blowjobs exists isn't on the scale.
It's just nowhere near.
But the fact that he's that this woman's like, Monica Lewinsky is solely responsible for me learning about blowjobs.
It's so sad.
I feel sorry for that.
That's fucked up.
Like, imagine being that person.
Of course, everything's so fucked up.
There's so many people like that who think, like, who look at Bill Clinton's sex scandal and be like, well, if it weren't for her, we wouldn't be hearing about this.
Yep.
He's the president.
She's 20 and an intern.
He is the leader of the country.
Like, and you're putting most of the blame on her?
What do you think is you know what?
Shout out Monica Lewinsky because she's a bad person.
I have no persevering issues with Monica.
She ended up having a good life.
So good for you, Monica.
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Good for you.
And I don't think capitalized on blowjobs in any way.
Just, it's so gross.
Started a purse line.
Yeah, good for her, Monica.
You can join that other lady who's just a clothing brand that's been quoted in this next book.
Did you do a second advert?
I'm going to do one right now, Sophie, because you know what time it is.
Goods and services.
Goods and services.
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Parental Abdication And Sex Ed Power00:03:56
We're back.
All right.
So let's close out by Ben's section.
We're 11% of the way into this book.
Jesus Christ.
There's just so much to talk about here.
Parental abdication.
Comprehensive sex education has taken power out of the hands of parents.
The current system has the schools teaching amoral permissiveness and forcing parents with standards to unteach their own children.
And parents have to become too lazy to do anything about it.
Instead of opting their kids out of sex ed, it's easier for them to avoid the messy birds and bees conversation.
Leave it to the government types to teach the kids about standards of morality.
The social liberals who have promulgated this anti-parent system are pleased with the result.
Their goal was never to allow parents the authority to teach their children.
It was to chill for the god of tolerance.
Government is the most easily available.
Why does he think liberals don't have kids?
Yeah, why does he think liberals are any comfortable, more comfortable talking to their kids than concern about sex than considering it is this idea that like school teaching, again, I went through sex ed in this period.
There was no moral lessons whatsoever, and it was so incomplete that I then went to my parents with questions because I didn't understand things and I did not get good answers to them because my parents weren't comfortable discussing it with me.
Like, which is the problem, which is why kids do stupid shit because they're not being taught to do things safely or being taught to do things without shame or like, it's just, it's all very frustrating.
And everything Ben says is wrong.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think you got it.
Yeah.
Well, Sylvia, how are you?
How are you doing?
Dry as a bone, my friend.
Dry as a bone.
Oh, good.
I do want to note that at the end of this chapter, Ben says that parents are starting to wake up because a poll in 2003 showed strong support for abstinence education.
Again, all stuff from like a decade after this book is published.
Also, like, are you calling parents when you're like, hey, would you rather your kid not be fucking?
Because they're all going to say yes.
Yes.
I don't.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Also, 98% of likely voters based on a Planned Parenthood study support sex education in high school.
Let's see.
Here's the Seekist survey.
Yeah, okay, it's the same study.
I wonder if there's a less biased source we can find because I just want to see if he's well.
Texas voters support abstinence plus sex education, which is sex education that is medically accurate and doesn't only talk about abstinence, which seems better than what I probably got.
So that's overwhelmingly supported by three quarters of voters, including 68% of Republicans in Texas.
So yeah, it does seem like Ben is wrong on that too.
Massachusetts voters strongly support sex ed.
Yeah, it seems like abstinence-only education has very little support because it doesn't work at all.
And everybody who's reasonable knows it.
Ben was wrong about this as he's wrong about everything else.
Sophia, you got any pluggables?
Sure.
Thanks.
You can check out my other two podcasts, Private Parts Unknown about love and sex around the world and 420 Day Fiancé with Miles Gray from the Daily Zeitgeist, where we do hilarious stone recaps of 90-day fiancé.
And you can also, of course, get my album, Father's Day, anywhere that you buy albums, but mainly Sophialexandra.com.
SophiaAlexandra.com.
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And you can find me on the internet somewhere.
If you hold me in your heart, I'll come to you.
I'll find you.
I'll burrow through hell to get to you.
That's my promise to you, random listener with my voice in your ear.
I've seen you burrow.
You're good.
I'm a good burrower.
I'm a good burrower.
My uncle was a master burrower?
I was trying to think of an animal that burrows, but my possum?
Do possums burrow?
Seems like possums would burrow.
Beaver.
They'd be good at that.
Beavers?
Yeah, they burrow.
They burrow pretty good.
All right.
Well, find your own animal and celebrate burrowing with your loved ones this holiday season.
Bye.
Hello, gorgeous.
It's Lala Kent, host of Untraditional Ila.
My days of filling up cups at sir may be over, but I'm still loving life in the valley.
Life on the other side of the hill is giving grown-up vibes.
But over here on my podcast, Untraditional Ila, I'm still that Lala you either love or love to hate.