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Oct. 1, 2023 - Blood Money
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Coming From a world of drugs violence chaos, and building an empire w/ Jason Sisneros
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So, let's get started. Let's go.
So,
screen up here because I came up with a title.
I wrote, the title of this episode is Coming from a World of Drugs, Violence, and Chaos and Building an Empire.
Does that sound like it encapsulates the Jason Cisneros story?
You know, that's better than my own marketing team.
Like, I'm going to have them watch this episode and say, hey, here's some useful taglines right here.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, so tell us, bro, like you, I mean, I was reading their bio.
I'm like, man, like you were, you had a rough upbringing.
You were, I mean, reading it, I mean, it's like you have the prototype of somebody that should have gone down the prison, industrial complex system, but you didn't go down that route.
You Became highly successful.
You consult Fortune 500 companies.
I mean, take us through the journey.
Yeah, you know, it's interesting because, you know, if God wasn't ordering my steps, you know, I know where I'd be like because I know where everybody in my family, my friends, they're either dead or in prison.
And, you know, including my little brother, you know, he just he's thank God he's been out for the last four or five years.
But but it was a guarantee.
And God put some amazing men specifically, some amazing women into my life.
And I would have definitely gone down that path had it not been for them reaching into my life.
But I was adopted really young.
You know, six years old.
My mom married this guy who was not a good guy at all.
And, you know, drugs and alcohol and abuse and all that kind of stuff.
And he started beating on her.
I think 7, 8, 9, somewhere around there, I started stepping in between him and her.
He started beating me up.
As pretty as my nose is right now, it's been all over my face as I was growing up.
It was crazy, but it was the upbringing that I needed.
I wouldn't change a thing about it, but he ended up going to prison for attempted murder of me and my mom when I was 17.
That took him out of my life.
Like your viewers, right?
Everybody's got a story. Everybody's got rough backgrounds, but it's what do you do with that?
And I think the greatest lesson for your viewers and certainly for me was realizing that you have a choice, right?
There's a choice. And my choice, I'd love to say that I was like, oh, as soon as you went to prison, I turned into a model citizen.
No, I did what I knew.
Like I was really good.
I'd been fighting a full grown adult my entire life.
And so I became a collector.
You know, and I was collecting money, and I was running, you know, in the same crowds and the same gangs and doing what I was doing.
Like breaking your legs and stuff like that, or?
Well, you know, allegedly.
I don't want you to admit any crime is on a podcast, but like, I mean, is that the kind of collecting money we're talking about, like Rocky Balboa collecting money?
People owed money and somebody had to go get it when they refused to pay it.
It is what it is.
But those were the old days and that's what I knew how to do.
That was my upbringing.
And if it wouldn't have been for some people stepping into my life at the time, I got arrested.
I did some jail time and was starting down that path.
But It was a couple of cops.
First, it was my fourth grade teacher who taught me to fall in love with the English language, with the written language, with the learning how to communicate.
And that really kept me out of trouble, honestly, when I was in the criminal phase of my life.
It made me more intellectual.
It made me have the ability to not get caught at doing a lot of the stuff that I was doing.
And then it was my wrestling coach, Charlie White, that stepped in and He would take me and pay for my stuff.
We were so broke when I was a kid, bro, that he had to pay my way to go to some of these events.
And then later on in life, it was just people reaching in and saying, Hey, Jason, it was a cop.
It was like, this is going to be your life, brother.
This is where it's going to be.
A judge going, Hey, this is what it's going to be.
And I'm going to give you a chance here to get back on the path.
But ultimately... It came down to my last drug deal.
I got stabbed in the chest.
And I got a big scar across my chest.
And as the knife went in, my grandmother always made sure that I had a Bible with me.
And I wasn't religious at the time.
It was just, I would get beat up so bad I'd get locked in my room until my face would heal.
And all I had was, you know, those plastic weights and a Bible.
And so I read it. And so as soon as that knife went into my chest, that last drug deal, I thought, My son had been born five days before.
And there was a Bible verse that popped into my head that it was the sins of the father born onto the children.
And I thought, if I survive this, I'm out.
I don't know what I'm going to do.
Again, your audience, we've all gone through this.
It's like, I don't want to do this anymore.
I don't want to drink anymore. I don't want to be in this abusive relationship anymore.
I don't want to do the things that I'm doing anymore.
But the hard question is, what do I do next?
Yeah. And so that led me down a path to getting a minimum wage job.
I was working for my father-in-law at the time.
My first job was peeling logs for log cabins.
And then I went to work for him.
I was three levels deep in a mine, digging out a sump going, what am I doing with my life?
You know? Wow.
So that was the early beginnings.
I ultimately decided, because I didn't graduate from high school, I ultimately decided to get into the trades, started to learn how to lay carpet, and then found out that I had an ability to sell, and then bought my first business and crashed it, bought my second one, crashed it, third one, crashed it.
Really fell into a place of depression where I'm like, I can't do anything.
I don't have a degree. I don't have any pedigree.
I don't have anybody that would lend me any money.
What am I going to do? And that's when I made my comeback.
From that, I went to work for Tony Robbins.
And that put me in proximity with some of the greatest business minds in the world.
And I took all of my mistakes that I had written down and all of my bankruptcies and all that stuff that I had written down in notebooks.
And I would beg people, brother.
I would beg people. I would be like, when I'm out, I'm like, hey, I'll come over and cook you dinner.
I'll come over and take out your trash.
I'll come wash your house. Just give me 15 minutes and let me know what you would have done about this particular circumstance.
And so I ended up with three new notebooks after I left Tony.
Got a phone call from a friend of mine that goes, Hey, I'm going through some stuff with my business.
And I know you were going through it at the time.
He goes, I'll pay you to come help me.
And that began my turnaround career.
Then I made a bunch of people money there and started to buy my own companies, turn them around, at which point I built myself a nice little group of businesses, which I sold in 2019.
And I thought I was going to go into full-time undercover rescues, which is what I do still to this day.
But 2020 happened and here we are on this podcast, brother.
Wow, wow. So let's talk about the undercover rescues, because before the interview started, you were mentioning how you were taking your businesses secure now, you're financially secure, and you wanted to use a lot of that energy, excuse me, you wanted to use a lot of energy to combat human trafficking on your own time and time.
I mean, can we dive into that topic a little?
100%. My first love was domestic violence.
That was because watching my mom get beat and understanding from her perspective why she stayed and the whole psychology behind it.
So that's where I very first started raising money.
And then I got into feeding people because there's a lot of, you know, a lot of the domestic violence is driven by food insecurity and, you know, and that type of thing.
So then I became, I got involved in as the CEO of Feed a Billion with Tony Robbins and Ambush James launched that.
And then I went, I got invited to go watch a movie, a documentary about child trafficking.
And I don't know, man, probably the same as you when you very first hear about it.
You're like, this cannot be real.
This cannot be real.
Like, people paying, stealing kids, selling them to have sex with underage kids.
Like, I left there, I wrote them a check, and I left, and I couldn't go home.
Like, I was broken.
I'm like, I cannot believe that this is happening in my generation.
Like, Just all the thoughts.
And so instead of going home, I went to a park and I just parked and I cried.
I was like, I'm not a big crier, but I was like, I was really broken.
I'm like, man, this is terrible.
So I went, I did my first Facebook Live the next morning and I said, I don't, I just found out about this.
I don't know what I'm going to do about it, but I'm going to do something.
And, um, somebody watched that, that, that, um, you know, that Facebook live and reached out to me and said, Hey, I know you've got a particular set of skills, you know, would you, would you like to come and do some undercover work with us?
And I said, hell, I'm in, I'm in.
And that was about eight, nine years ago.
And I've been doing it ever since.
Wow. When you say undercover work, could you elaborate on that?
Sure. Yes, I can.
What happens, every mission is different, but we ultimately get a call to say, hey, we know where there's some kids or our kid was taken or whatever it is.
And so we go in undercover.
It depends on what the mission is, but we'll go in and Act like buyers or we'll go in and, you know, just- Like you're literally going in to buy children.
You're pretending that you're a child buyer.
In some instances, it's overt.
We get the leads on where they're at and we just go crash the door and grab the kids.
But it's all undercover work.
I'm the only one that shows my face in public because I just don't give a shit.
It is what it is.
The rest of the team stays covert, which is the way it is.
And the only reason I'm showing my face and doing this is to raise money for the cause.
It needs cash. So let me get this straight.
Like you're a highly successful person.
I mean, you know, we don't have to talk about how successful you are, but you're definitely a comfortable individual and you're like kicking down doors and risking your life to rescue kids.
Somebody's got to do it, brother.
Yes, but somebody's got to do it.
You know, one of the things we talk about a lot, I just got to pause here real quick because one of the beefs I've heard from people is how cowardly the wealthy have been when all this tyranny really became relevant to us, right?
So you have all these very wealthy individuals and I know because I talked to a lot of them and they're even scared to donate money to organizations like ours because they and they say oh tyranny is coming it's crazy they're doing x y and z But they're scared of that, oh, if we give you a check, then the government's going to know that I'm supporting a freedom organization that reports about child trafficking and all that stuff.
And there's just a level of cowardice out there.
So I've got to pause and say much credit to you for not being a coward.
Because most people are, like, they'd rather protect their money and lose the freedom of their children to tyranny.
And you're not doing that.
So, thank you.
Well, thank you for the acknowledgement.
And, you know, and it's funny because I started right at the beginning of this.
I started a podcast called The Bald Avenger Show, right?
Stupid name, but it was like, because at the very beginning, and I know we talked about our brotherhood, right?
But I started that show for the simple fact, I'm like, Has everybody lost their mind and all men lost their balls at the same time?
I was like, nobody's speaking.
And everybody was on my team because we do consulting.
I don't need that company for money anymore.
We do it to help small businesses fight back against the tyranny of being broke or these big unethical capitalists.
That's what my consulting company does.
And they're like, Somebody's going to hear that, and they're going to cancel you.
I'm like, I'm uncancellable.
The only thing that you can do is kill me, and I'm a baptized Christian, so you can't kill a dead man.
If God wants me, he's going to take me, and I'm not going to sit around worrying about how it's going to happen.
It's certainly not going to be sitting in my chair as an old man having done nothing but surrounded myself with money.
It's not going to happen.
And it really does come down, bro.
You're right. It's not just cowardice of the wealthy.
It's cowardice of our generation of men.
Yeah. And that is a straight out truth.
Not everybody. I mean, there's a lot of people that I've met traveling the country with General Flynn and, you know, in the Clay Clark show and all of the different things that we've done.
There's a lot of really brave men that want to stand up for their country and for their family.
That don't get any credit.
You've got good cops that are not getting any credit.
You've got people in the black community.
All around this country, there's good men And they stand up and they get beat down.
They get beat down.
And we have to stand together.
Us brothers have to come out from hiding, find each other, do business together, and raise our voices, not in defense of anything else but the innocent.
And it's happening.
I feel like there's a wave.
I feel like there's energy building.
I feel like we're finding each other.
We're figuring out where each other is and all that bravado and all that toxic masculinity that they talk about.
Toxic masculinity, by the way, is the absence of any masculinity.
Toxic masculinity is called feminism, but that's just my two points.
That's a good point.
It's exactly spot on.
Because, you know, true masculinity wants to stand up and protect our women.
I don't care if anybody thinks that that's sexist.
We need to protect our kids and we need to protect our elderly.
And if we're not doing that, we don't deserve to breathe free air.
That's the topic that keeps coming up.
And I totally realize your experiences in having witnessed domestic violence towards a female growing up and what an effect that might have had on you.
The topic that keeps recurring on our show is basically the men have been beat down so much.
The tables have turned so much against them.
I mean, most men I think are frightened to speak up and most men I don't think are even motivated to stand up for women because it seems as though anytime you express your organic maleness Society beats you down because there seems to be an agenda to destroy masculinity and I have very strong theories about that because the steps to any genocide, the steps to any destruction of society is you got to get rid of the men first.
You got to get rid of masculinity first and I know that very well because I'm of Armenian descent and when the Armenian Genocide started the first thing they did is rounded up all the men and so How are men to stand up when they've been so deflated, when their place in society has been taken, when they can't even open their mouth without being beat down because they're told that there's something inherently wrong with them?
Yeah. You know, the only thing, I mean, I'm not a counselor by any means, but, you know, or a professional, but what I can say is find another brother, right?
And you've got to be willing to risk it all.
You've got to be willing to put it all on the table and say, I might lose all of this.
I might, to the very core, lose my life.
Right? And that is, there's something that wakes up in a man when you realize that you're not going to live forever anyway, so you should make it fucking count.
Excuse my language, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, go for it, bro.
You know what I mean? You should...
I'm in your house and I don't want to disrespect, but you know.
We drop the F-bombs here once in a while, so...
But it's honest, like, if the men that are watching the show, they know.
Like, it's in there.
Like, it's in there.
Like, it's like, I gotta come out, right?
And so, at the end of the day, you gotta let that come out and results be damned.
Because most servant...
Most servant men, right?
Most masculine servant men are doing what they're doing out of love.
And they're doing it out of a deep sense of commitment.
And they're doing it out of a deep sense of common sense.
They're not doing it for manipulation.
They're not doing it for all of these other tactics.
They're doing it because it's the right thing to do.
And that has consequences to it, but you should pay that consequence.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you were obviously raised with a male that wasn't necessarily a positive influence, as you said.
A lot of kids find it very difficult growing up when they don't have a positive male influence.
In fact, if you look at the prison populations, It is overwhelmingly individuals that did not have a positive male influence.
I was once a hip-hop music video director.
I used to go to certain neighborhoods where there was a complete lack of male influence.
And whenever there was a lack of male influence, the streets became the parental figure, the father figure.
How did you find it within yourself to really embrace your masculinity and become the man that you are today, even though you went through these incredibly challenging times growing up?
It was other men.
It was other men.
I mean, I've had some amazing women.
I crusade for women.
But I'm telling you, the difference in my life was excellent men.
My grandfather, Charlie White, my coach, my football coach, Daryl Holt.
There was these people that just showed up.
Tony Robbins and a list of men that just showed up.
God put him in my life for a reason and for a season.
And I would learn lessons because I didn't want to be anything like my adopted father.
I dreamed of a day when I was going to grow up to be a good husband and a good father and to be completely opposite of this guy that was terrorizing us all the time.
And it gave me promise keepers.
There was just... These places that I could go and I could have conversations with real dudes that I could have with real dudes that had been through it and they had no agenda but to seed in, to feed into helping another brother figure it out.
Because I didn't know how to be a father.
I didn't know how to be a husband.
I didn't know how to be a man.
And I had to learn that in my late 20s.
It was in my late 20s that I started to figure out, oh, don't break the law.
Oh, this, that, or the other.
One of the blessings that I'm grateful that the man that raised me was my father was I've never raised my hand to my children or my wife.
You know, that's never been a part of me.
There's no universe where I would ever hurt or hit a woman.
And there was great things.
I'm glad. I'm grateful that he was my adopted father because I've learned so many things.
And I also grew up going, I know that my life could end in any moment now.
It could end in any moment.
So make the most of what this moment is.
I never knew if he was going to come home, if he was going to shoot us or burn the house down or whatever.
I would wake up with my blood, my nose bleeding because he came in and punched me in the face while I was asleep.
I never knew when the last minute was going to be.
And for that, I don't sit around on my wealth.
To your point earlier, I don't sit around on it and worry if I'm going to lose it because I've had nothing.
And you could drop me naked with $0 in any city in the world, and I'm going to come out the next day in a brand new suit and $10,000 in my pocket because I know I can.
Wow. Wow. That's awesome, man.
I mean, from the lessons you've learned in life and business, what would be, if there was a top five, top three, you choose, whatever works for you, lessons that you would impart onto men, what would they be?
I'll tell you the first one, and this has been learned over years.
I didn't get this one until maybe about a decade ago, but it is the biggest game changer for me.
Whatever it is that you're doing in life for a living, right?
Because we see ourselves right now, a lot of people are talking First Amendment, Second Amendment.
They're talking about a lot of things, but they're not talking about the fundamental way that people are enslaved, and that is economic, right?
And so when you're...
If you have the ability to start a business of any kind, Do it.
That keeps you free from an independent...
It's called independent access to capital for a reason.
You're able to not do what the government wants you to do because they have you by the purse strings.
So that's number one.
But whatever you're doing, whether it's a job or whether it's a business, is to go to the end and say, why am I doing this thing that I'm doing?
Why are you doing your show?
If we talk long enough, It would be to become free.
You're doing what you're doing to be free.
And so what that means to...
It's as different as the 8 billion people that walk this earth for what that word means to them.
Some people, it's like, dude, a tent down by the river...
I'm good, right?
And enough money to eat, blah, blah, blah.
I'm good. Some people, it's like, well, I want to have a million-dollar house on the beach and da-da-da-da-da.
It's as different, and that's for everybody to figure out for themselves.
But when you answer that question specifically, not like, because I get a lot in, you know, I was just in Denver speaking on a stage, and I was like, why are you guys here?
What does freedom look like?
And it's always like, I want to help more kids.
I want to do, all of that is awesome.
But it is an avoidance of the specificity that you must have if you're going to then make traction towards it.
Let me give you an example. I want to have a home that's paid off.
I want to have a car. Whatever it is, when you get specific, it has a cost out to the right of it.
That's a $250,000 house.
That's a $20,000 car.
That's a million dollars in the bank spending off 10% interest.
And then, like a domino, it starts to kick off what your behaviors are.
Because what you see right now is a bunch of people that are puppets of the system that go out and spend money to try to impress people on Instagram of people that don't give a shit from them or never going to put any money in their bank account.
You see what I'm saying? So what it does is it targets, it goes, oh, okay, so for me to be free, it's going to cost me a million dollars.
People don't realize how easy it is to make a million dollars when you're focused on making the million dollars and keeping it.
Not making the million dollars and then, oh, oh my gosh, I'm doing, I'm now, I was doing $5,000 a month, now I'm doing $10,000 a month, I'm going to buy a nicer car.
To impress who? And why?
To impress women that want, you know, it's funny because having lived the Hollywood lifestyle growing up, it's like you can go down that road of like, I'm going to get the You know, the pimped out car versus, you know, I spend $20,000 and get something economical.
But like, what are you attracting when you do that?
You're attracting women that are wanting you for your money.
You're attracting the right, wrong kind of energy, which pretty much explains Los Angeles, more or less.
Bro, I did it the first time I made money, the greatest gift that God ever gave me was letting me go bankrupt that first time.
Because it was so embarrassing and it was so like my identity was attached to my success.
And I watched.
I'm telling you, it was basically three bankruptcies in a row, and I lost everything.
I ended up sneaking out of my town in the middle of the night with a stolen U-Haul to go rent a place out in California to get away from everybody that knew me.
And I go there, and eventually, because I was having panic attacks and all this other stuff, I was selling stuff, and pretty soon, you run out of stuff to sell, and pretty soon, they come and they kick you out of that place that you were renting.
And now, I'm living on the beach going, well, it'll get better tomorrow, it'll get better tomorrow.
And pretty soon, I wake up, I go, I'm a homeless dude.
Mm-hmm. I'm a homeless dude, right?
And I go to the freaking, and I'm like, I had some change, and I go to the phone, and I make a bunch of phone calls to people that were living in homes that I had helped buy, those homes, driving cars that I had literally paid for cash for them.
And I'm going, yo, can you, could you Western Union me 10 bucks?
I haven't eaten in three days.
Oh, sorry, Jason.
Sorry, I'm just real busy with the kids right now.
I watched all of those assholes that were in my house drinking my beer, drinking my booze, you know, going on the trips with me, and I watched all of them turn their back on me.
Thank God that happened because now I realize that I can't buy people's love.
All I can do is buy my own freedom because there's a saying, Pastor Rudy who runs our, it's called Cert Ministries, slavefreeproject.com is the site, Cert Ministries, S-E-R-T, Search, Evangelize, Rescue, and Train.
Pastor Rudy Gonzalez is the guy who's led it and has led it for the last 25 years.
He has a saying that he told me one day, he said, Jason, a slave cannot free another slave.
And I thought, how powerful is that?
Yeah. For me to understand.
And there's a lot of slavery, right?
There's a lot of different ways we're enslaved.
We're enslaved spiritually.
We're enslaved mentally, emotionally, financially.
Some of us actually in bondage, like, you know, with these kids that we're rescuing.
But ultimately, if I can't free myself of that, then I cannot free other people.
And ultimately, service to other people is the only place that you find permanent joy.
Mm-hmm. And so that's what I started to understand.
I was like, when I build back this time, I'm getting my ass free and I don't care who likes me.
I don't care who's impressed.
I don't care. You still won't find pictures of me on jets and taking selfies on my private jet and cars and all that kind of stuff because it's bullshit.
If you like me for that, you're the wrong person.
If you like me because I have some information that can set you and your family free in business, then you're my people.
If you like me because of the work we do in trafficking and you want to support that, you're my people.
But if you're impressed or not impressed by the fact that I don't have my social media shit, talk to your boy about that.
I've got 300 or 400, I think at this point, followers on Twitter.
But I don't care. That's not how I measure my success.
And that's the wrong way to measure our success.
I remember distinctly, bro, the day after I sold my companies back in 2019, I was jacking around on Twitter and I put some posts out.
Some guy was asking a business question and I said, oh, here's what you should do.
You know, here's a couple of different ways to look at it, blah, blah, blah.
And sure enough, some troll comes in and goes, oh, Mr.
300 followers is going to give me business advice.
I'm like... If you knew the amount that just went in my bank account, you might listen.
No, you see that I've got 300 followers and you judge my worth based on that.
You know what's funny? They used to do the same thing to me.
I used to go through the exact same thing where, I don't know, I mean, not to brag, but I might be at 500 followers, but people used to be like, You know, because I produce stuff and, you know, whatever, shows and that sort of thing.
And, you know, if I'm commented something about somebody's posting, they'd be like, oh, loser, 500 followers.
I'm like, you know, I'm like, bro, out of those 500 followers, 300 of them are people that could spend millions on productions.
You know what I'm saying? And you've seen that shit on television.
So who cares? You know, what's the value of the people, right?
In that case.
Yes, 100%.
And so, you know, that I believe.
So the lesson that I'm talking through here is to get clear on what your freedom is and what the number is attached to it.
And then just reverse engineer to where you are Figure out the stuff that you need.
Figure out the stuff you don't need.
Figure out something that you can drive for another 5, 10 years.
Somewhere that you can live for another 5 to 10 years.
And stack cash, right?
And that means different things for different people.
Some people like Bitcoin.
I'm not a Bitcoin guy. It's stack cash and learn how to allow your money to work for you.
You do not have to be brilliant to get a 5 to 8 to 10% return on your investment.
You don't. But let that pile up.
Build yourself wealth and let that set you free.
Because right now, everybody rewards spending all your money and doing all the stuff that they do on Instagram and all that other kind of stuff.
I just highly, highly advise against it if anybody was asking my opinion, which nobody has.
But at this point, so learning that you're actually after freedom clears a lot of stuff off the plate.
I don't need men's praise.
I don't need women's attention.
I don't need anything from out in the world.
I've got a relationship with Jesus Christ, and I listen to what He says to me.
I listen. I pray.
And everybody asks me all the time, are you afraid that you're going to die on one of these missions?
And I'm like, no. I'm afraid of one thing now that I've been baptized and I know the truth.
I'm afraid of being out of the will of God.
That's it. Yep.
And so that orders my steps, it orders my decisions, and it doesn't lead me anywhere that I shouldn't be.
I've said no to a lot of really big stages and a lot of really big opportunities that to me in the world make all the sense in the world, right?
But it wasn't there in prayer.
And turns out later on, you see why, right?
You got to listen to that voice and understand the journey that you're on.
Sorry, we've got some serious allergies going on up here.
Sorry about it. But ultimately, know the fact that the game, God gave you sovereignty when you were born.
It's up to us to keep it.
And for you to understand what your freedom is, and that's between you and God.
That's between you and your maker.
That's not up to me.
I can't tell you what you should want and what you shouldn't want.
God already told you. You just gotta listen.
And then you participate in the correct way, the correct order to be able to set yourself free economically and thereby giving yourself the opportunity to have a platform to free other people.
Then you're not a coward like you spoke about earlier.
You're not a coward. I don't worry about my pile of money.
I don't worry about it. I don't worry about my house.
I don't worry about any of it. If God wants it, he's going to take it.
If he wants my life, he can have it.
I don't care. If you're going to sit back, this generation has been called to fight a fight.
Think about this for a second.
This may be the only war in history that you could win at the bank.
All wars, one and a lot.
We watched the Bravehearts, we watched all these movies about a battle, but those wars were fought and won at the bank.
And while we're over here fighting about racial and trans and all of this other stuff, they're quietly scooping out all of the value that allows independent access to capital for the common citizen.
And when all that's gone and we have no more access to be able to create our lives through ethical capitalism, we're done.
Done. Totally, totally.
And, you know, I mean, there's legal implications behind all this stuff, too.
I'm not sure if you're aware, but under the law, you know, we used to have this common law thing, right, where men and women are protected by God's laws.
Law actually stems from the Christian Bible.
But then you had this perversion of the law, which is, in my opinion, a lot of these statutory laws, a lot of these victimless crimes, which they use essentially to, you know, persecute people that they don't really like.
I mean, we've seen this in our courts.
And the fact that once you stop being a man or a woman, if you're one of these other 72 sexes that they claim to have, you have no protection.
You are literally a slave class.
Like, that is a legal definition.
Once you fall out of man, woman, The 14th Amendment doesn't apply.
Human rights doesn't apply.
Magalacar doesn't apply.
Constitution does not apply because you are not a man or a woman.
How much do you think part of this agenda is to really make us all into slaves?
I hadn't thought of that, but I can promise you that what you speak is true, and I know that they're looking to enslave us so that they can make themselves the permanent elite ruling class.
It shouldn't be a secret for any above-20 IQ human being at this point.
What's going on, right?
It shouldn't be difficult.
But we sit here and we watch this stuff happen and it's, to your point, you're speaking about things that could be...
And at the end of the day, honestly, I don't care.
I don't care if you want to be gay.
I don't care if you want to be trans.
I don't care. Number one...
It's... Sovereignty works like a home, right?
Like, I come into your home and I go, oh my gosh, like, that's a great painting, right?
Oh, I love the way that you've done the tile in there.
And I don't...
What I can't do is come in and go...
Oh, I like your painting.
I'm just going to go ahead and take that, right?
And by the way, oh, that tile, it offends me, and so you have to take it out of your own house.
That's not sovereignty.
That's communism, right?
Sovereignty is you come in, and I respect your rules in your house, and you respect your rules in mine.
As far as I'm concerned, somebody wants to be transgender, fine.
Be it. But don't force me into believing or trying or...
Celebrating or whatever it is, your way of life.
I don't care.
I legitimately don't care.
That's number one. Number two, when you start infecting the youth with any sort of sexual conversation.
Any. Now you have a problem with me.
When they get 18, everything can wait till they're 18.
When they're 18, now they're on their own sovereign individual, and they want to be trans, they want to be gay, they want to be whatever it is.
Maybe they're born gay, I don't know.
But at the end of the day, Let them be kids and leave them alone and don't program their mind to go some way because you're going to feel better with your garden party girls that you have.
Oh, my gosh, I have a trans child.
Oh, my gosh, I have a gay child.
Like they're celebrating it.
And that kid is already confused.
Be a fucking parent.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. How much of this is like feminism run amok?
I look at it like we have a weak sense of honor.
We have a weak sense of duty.
We have had it so good for so long that we've made up all this shit to be upset about.
We've just made it up to be mad about.
Nobody cared about trans until they started bringing it into the kids.
Nobody cared. You've said Clinger on MASH, right?
Yeah, yeah. Nobody cared.
It is what it is. And I think about, by the way, I think about stuff that you and I, when we were growing up, right?
You know, we had Prince, you know, very androsby.
Boy George. Wearing high heels. We had Boy, exactly, Boy George.
None of us tripped out on that shit.
I used to listen to Culture Club.
You know what I mean? Because it was awesome.
Prince is the shit, by the way.
You know? Prince, it's like, I don't, I mean, I look at him, I'm like, I love Prince.
I mean, I don't care if he wore high heels and looked like a chick, basically.
It's all good, you know? Nobody cares.
It's, uh, it really, they tried to make, you know what, including the black topic.
I grew up listening to Public Enemy, N.W.A. You know what I mean?
I was a hip-hop kid.
The racism seemed to have been like, yes, I realized in the 60s, 70s, I saw what they did to Muhammad Ali and the racial baiting or whatever you call it.
But by the time the late 80s, 90s came along, the culture was really flippant.
It's amazing how they brought all this stuff up.
From the 70s, it feels like from the 70s, because the racial shit they're talking about is really pre-70s.
It even maybe even predates the 60s and the civil rights movement, like the level they're talking about that like white boys like us are hunting black people.
I mean, this nonsense, you know?
Racism is dead, brother.
Racism is dead. Sexism is dead.
Homophobia is dead.
It doesn't even exist anymore except for in the minds of people.
And by the way, there's always going to be assholes that don't like somebody else, that are going to make judgments already.
But how do you legislate the privacy of their own mind?
How do you do that? You don't.
You punish crimes that are obviously racist or obviously sexist or obviously whatever it is.
But what they're trying to do now is they're trying to indoctrinate us to their way of thinking and the way of what...
And it's just got to be...
Again, I don't care, but you're not going to force me to do shit.
I am a free man.
I'm a free man. And my kids over my dead body are going to freaking live in a free country.
Yep, yep, yep.
100%, brother. Dude, this is amazing, Jason.
Is there anything that we didn't touch upon that you'd like to talk about in closing?
You know, not really.
This is a great talk. It was a great talk.
And I think that, you know, your show is important to people, what you do, what your network that you guys are building, all of the stuff that you're doing.
Thank you. From the bottom of my heart for the work you're doing.
Because it's going to take all of us.
It could take an army of common sense people to say, you know what?
I'm just not doing that shit anymore.
If I have to battle, I have to battle.
But everybody that's watching your show can do a couple of things.
You can find yourself a worthy charity to finance certain ministries.
I worked with 12 rescue units and left...
All of them just for various reasons of how they were using funds or whatever.
And I landed on CERT Ministries because they use every single penny.
Every breath they take is about rescuing kids.
And so they're very, very well vetted.
It doesn't have to be them, but it could be anything.
Just make sure you vet and don't do it because it makes you feel good.
Make sure that you know that that dollar is going to go to work for you.
That's number one. Number two is stop doing business with Amazon.
Stop giving Facebook all of your data.
Stop. Twitter's an amazing place right now.
And a great public forum.
But we have to be in this fight.
We have to find each other.
We have to do business with each other.
We have to lift each other up.
We have to watch more of these shows.
Share these shows. Get it out to people.
And really find our tribe.
Because it's not going to take...
A lot of us to fight back against these piece of shit cowards who are controlling most of the stuff right now.
All anybody has to do is say the word no.
It's a complete sentence.
Right? So that's the only thing I would share, man, is that we got to stand up, you know?
Yeah, this is awesome, bro.
This is awesome. Thank you so much for coming on the Blood Money Podcast.
We'd love to have you back. We're actually about to launch a show, you know, we're calling it Wolfpack Wednesdays and we'd love to have you on there.
It's all about men reclaiming masculinity, being leaders, you know, not being put down, you know, anti-beta male.
We need leaders out there.
To really get this world back into a sensible place because this shit is nuts.
I think we could all agree this shit is not what's happening right now.
Anytime, brother. Anytime.
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