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Blood Money Episode 58 with Couy Griffin - I was removed from office for using my freedom of speech
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Blood Money Episode 58 with Coy Griffin They removed me from office for using my free speech.
We're on the next episode of Blood Money.
Today I have an amazing guest with us named Coy Griffin.
How are you doing, Coy? Hey, I'm doing well today, Vim.
I appreciate you having me on your program.
Pleasure to have you, sir.
Pleasure to have you. So, let's dive right into it, Coy.
Tell us a little bit about your background and this insane journey that you've been on for the last two or three years.
Yeah, you know, Vim, it's been a political rollercoaster, to say the least.
You know, I live out here in New Mexico, where I'm born and raised, and New Mexico right now, Vim, is kind of ground zero on a lot of the This political battle that we're in, or spiritual battle, I think is better suited.
But, you know, it's not by chance that Jeffrey Epstein landed out here in New Mexico, you know.
It's just, I hate to say it because it's my home state and it's a state I love.
But as far as myself, you know, my background goes back.
I was raised in a log in and sawmill and family.
You know, we were We were raised rural, just country people.
I spent about six years living in Paris, France, where I worked for Disneyland Paris in a remake of the Buffalo Bills Wild West show, so I have some experience living abroad.
After that, I came back here to the States.
I pastored a church for about five years, and then I got involved in politics.
I hated to see the way things were going, and I wanted a place at the table.
So I ran for county commissioner.
I watched a president make strong efforts to secure our southern border, which I so much appreciated as us being a county that is affected by an unsecured border.
So I founded a group called Cowboys for Trump.
You know, we did some horseback rides for the President.
Through the organization, I came to know the President personally.
I've spoken to Trump on the phone numbers of times, and I've sat down in the Oval Office with him.
I've sat at the Resolute desk and discussed with him issues in New Mexico.
And then I stood strong on January 6th.
You know, I watched the election unfold.
I saw the fraud that took place firsthand.
And when Trump called on January 6th, I went to D.C. I stood peacefully and patriotically.
I did nothing on that day that I have any conviction about.
But I was arrested by the FBI on January the 17th.
I was charged with a misdemeanor trespass.
And I spent three weeks in the D.C. gulog.
And it was nothing short of hell on earth, you know.
But yeah, so since, you know, after D.C., after my stint in the Gulag, my adversaries out here in New Mexico smelled blood in the water.
They tried to recall me from office, which their recall fell flat.
They couldn't get me out of office during recall, so then they used...
A civil lawsuit before a Democrat district court judge on a bench trial on ground of insurrection.
And so I went to trial against Lawrence Try, Dan Abrams, Erwin Sherminsky, the NAACP. They all joined this lawsuit.
They joined this lawsuit against you?
Yes, sir. As an insurrectionist, and they're actually trying to remove you from an elected office at this point?
That's correct. Wow.
They filed this lawsuit on the ground of insurrection.
They cited Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
And through the fraud of New Mexico, the judge ruled that I was guilty of insurrection, and they removed me from office.
I'm the first elected official in over 150 years that's been removed through Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
You know, Vim, as I said, I was charged with a misdemeanor trespass.
I was also charged with disorderly conduct and disruptive behavior, but I was acquitted of those charges during my criminal trial in D.C. So, I guess you can be an insurrectionist nowadays by walking on the property that you don't even know you're trespassing on, which is the case for me.
Wow, wow. And this all resulted in your removal from office because you are quote-unquote an insurrectionist.
Oh, and it was...
It was selective prosecution, you know.
I mean, we filed a motion that pointed to that, but, you know, going to trial in Washington, D.C. is like walking across a pit full of alligators, you know.
I mean, we're supposed to have, we're supposed to be, have a right to a jury of our peers, them, but you know, whenever you're talking about a jury poll that's over 95% Biden supporters, how are you going to get a fair jury in Washington DC?
I mean, how is that even a jury of your peers?
Shouldn't apolitical individuals, since there's so many people that don't vote, be part of that jury, as opposed to a bunch of Democrats that are clearly going to be anti-Republican?
Absolutely. Absolutely.
And, you know, all the legal efforts that are pointed towards the trials of J6 need to be pointed to the motion of a change of jurisdiction, you know?
I mean, there's data out there that points to the biased nature of the D.C. Beltway.
And, you know, they're sending these defendants before a firing squad, you know?
I mean, there's no way that they have...
Any chance of a fair trial in Washington, D.C. So if we can get a motion for a change of venue recognized, then that will set precedence moving forward for future trials, but it will also give those that have already been through trial an opportunity to appeal based on that motion.
So it's really critical right now that we fight the change of venue for any J6 defendants in these in these trials Yeah, yeah, and how is that I mean is that possible you think to get a change of venue?
Absolutely, I think it's very possible. You know The reason why is because It's not about even, you know, supporting J6 defendants.
It's just a right, a constitutional right that we're supposed to have.
Whenever you go to trial, you're supposed to have a jury of peers.
A peer is somebody of the same mindset, of the same nature.
You know, your peers are found in the community where you live.
If we were to be fair to these defendants, we would allow them to have their trials at least in their home state.
Maybe not in their own little community, but at least in the state where they're from.
Because we know that D.C. is a different animal.
We know that it's politically biased to the left.
If you're a Trump supporter, That's why these trials have been going the way they're going.
That's why, you know, people are getting five, eight, ten years in prison for just walking into the building, you know?
I mean, it's the most shameful thing that's going on in our country today, I believe, is what's happened to the defendants from January 6th.
And I'll tell you something, Vim.
The solitary confinement side of it, you hear the horror stories and I believe everything that I read because I was in that place, man.
I mean, the first nine days when they threw me in the gulag, I wasn't able to use the phone for nine days.
I couldn't call my family or my attorney.
They refused to allow me to take a shower for the first nine days.
I was in 24-hour confinement.
And then after that, I was in for another 11 days on 23-hour day confinement.
The mental torture that you go through when you're in those kind of conditions is something that can't be expressed by words, man.
It's just horrendous.
Horrendous. And it's an intentional punishment.
It's intended at humiliating you, degrading you, making you feel like you have no rights.
Oh, it's...
It's a feeling of abandonment like you can't imagine.
I wouldn't wish that place on my worst enemy.
You know what they're doing?
They're gaslighting little bitty videos.
They had a narrative built before J6. That was a violent insurrection.
That's why we have the lies like Officer Sicknick being bludgeoned to death with the fire extinguisher.
You know, we were gaslighted by that for weeks or months about how this DC officer was beaten to death by Trump supporters, which the truth of it, whenever they were saying that he was beaten to death, he was still alive at that time.
He didn't happen to die, what they say, until the next day for natural causes.
Roseanne Boylan, another that was beaten to death on J6 in the tunnel, the media gaslighted us that she died of a drug overdose for how long, you know?
So we've really been blinded by the lies of the media and the government in regards to J6. And there was a lot of bad actors on that day.
Most of them were probably on the government payroll through the FBI. But, you know, They wanted to damage Trump and they wanted to stop what could have been, and that should have been, a rollover back to the states where the election was certified on the state level where we could take a better look at it.
That's all we wanted on that day, you know?
I mean, we weren't trying to stop the transition to power.
We weren't trying to overthrow the government.
All we wanted was our legislators to do their job and make sure that our election was secure, because we know that it wasn't, and right now we're dealing with the fallout from the fraud.
Totally, totally, yeah.
And, you know, anybody that knows the facts about what happened on that day know that that's not an insurrection.
That doesn't even fit the definition of an insurrection.
People didn't show up en masse with guns intending to overthrow the government, running around.
And, you know, some people were acting like fools, and yeah, running around acting like fools is not an intent to overthrow the government.
And the fact that I mean what I look at is like some of them were flat-out clowns doing clownish things I mean I get it you throw somebody like that in the slammer for a day or two But like to do what they're doing is just I mean it's clearly an attack on Anybody that decided to stand up against their narrative Absolutely, you know and there was guys. You know there was people that went to DC on January 6 it had never even been to hardly been to
town you know or be You had a lot of people that were there that, you know, they came out of the hills and they came out of the rural areas and they went to D.C. and, you know, they might have got caught up with that mob spirit that we know is proven to be a real thing, you know? That's why you have, whenever you have...
You know, prestigious universities that win national championships.
You have a bunch of college kids go out in the streets and turn cars and stuff over.
And they're probably really not bad kids.
They just get caught up in that evil spirit that will run through a mob sometimes.
And, you know, you probably have some of that on J6. But a lot of that, Vim, as I stood on the west side, okay, I saw it.
I saw it.
I was there. I saw what was going on and you had a lot of instigators.
You had a lot of guys in the front going, come on!
Come on! Keep moving forward!
Keep moving forward!
And if the truth was known, a lot of those instigators were probably working as informants inside of the FBI. You know, I mean, that's a part of the investigation that hasn't taken place.
Yeah. Now, in terms of where this whole journey has led you down, what happened after you were removed from office?
Take us further down the road and tell us what happened since then and what's been happening most recently.
Yeah, you know, since I was removed from office, my life has really been difficult.
January 6th didn't stop.
You know, the state media, the local media, the national media have really treated me very slanderously, you know.
I mean, I might speak strong, but you know, I'm a God-fearing man.
I pastor the church for five years, you know.
I mean, I'm not a violent person.
I would never...
You know, act in a way that the media tries to say that I do.
But they've made it very hard for me to live in my community.
You know, I spend a lot of time here at the house working around the house.
And now I have a criminal trial coming up, as I mentioned at the top of the show, that I'm trying to get prepared for.
I just have a public defender.
But the beauty, as I mentioned, I have a jury trial in my hometown.
I feel good about it.
In my removal case, I have probably my biggest legal focus right now is my appeal in that removal of office because It was fraud, you know, to remove an elected official in a civil court before a liberal Democrat judge on a bench trial.
That was fraud.
He should have never ruled on the ground of insurrection.
He had no jurisdictional authority to.
So I have that appeal right now in the New Mexico Supreme Court, which They're trying to bury me, but eventually they will have to respond to my appeal, and when they do, it'll go to the United States Supreme Court, and I'll win an opinion in the U.S. Supreme Court soon.
And then I have an appeal on my J6 conviction, too, because...
As God is my witness, Vim, I had no idea that place was unauthorized or restricted.
You know, I didn't go into the Capitol.
I stood outside.
I didn't do anything disruptive but disorderly.
I never saw any signs around the place that said restricted area or unauthorized zone or I wouldn't have gone in a restricted zone.
So I have that appeal going on.
And, you know...
Apart from all of that, Vim, I'm just like every other American right now.
We're in uncharted waters as a country.
I stay up with the media.
I see the events going on in the world right now that are very concerning, from our food supply to our environment.
It just seems like every day there's a new disaster, but the biggest disaster is Joe Biden.
You know, the biggest disaster is in Washington, D.C. right now.
And even on our side, it doesn't seem like, you know, I mean, the best we got is empty promises coming from McCarthy and Gates and Green and Boebert.
And, you know, they're all telling us we're going to release the 14,000 hours of Capitol But where the hell is it?
You know, I mean, they've been saying that now for how long as there's still men and women that are locked in solitary confinement in D.C. in halls of torture.
I mean, if McCarthy wants to be a leader, he needs to start leading.
He needs to start We're good to go.
Higgins was asking the other day about was there FBI informants inside the Capitol before the doors were breached, dressed as Trump supporters?
Those questions have to be answered, you know, because the frustration of people like me and you are not going to go away until they are answered.
Exactly. Exactly.
I mean, did you think you'd see this day in America where we're seeing this level of tyranny, you know, courts all across the land not doing their judicial duties, not respecting the Constitution?
I mean, it just seems like the whole country's falling apart.
It is. It is, you know, but that's the Democrats' agenda, Bim.
I mean, what's their slogan?
Build back better, okay?
Well, if you're going to build back better, what do you have to do before you build back?
You have to destroy what's already there.
And that's what they're doing in our country right now.
They're destroying our country because they have this liberal utopia full of transgenders and And drag queens that they're wanting to build back to.
And that's not a country that I want to be a part of.
I love the good old USA. I love apple pie and baseball and county fairs.
That's the America that I love.
I love football. I don't like football.
I don't like the way the NFL is going.
I don't like to see halftime shows where there's worshiping Satan.
I don't like that part of football.
I don't like the football pundits that want to kneel at our flag and play a black national anthem.
But I miss the old America, Bim.
I'm sure just like you do.
I don't like the new normal.
I don't like the post-COVID America.
I like the pre-COVID America where we were proud as a nation, where we had a strong military, and where we tried to help people instead of abuse and oppress people, which it seems like that's all we do nowadays.
Yeah, yeah.
So tell me about this criminal trial that you're in.
What is that all about? Well, it's a campaign finance violation, what they have me charged with.
And they're trying to say that Cowboys for Trump, which is not much more than just an idea, you know.
I mean, we really had no organization at all through Cowboys for Trump.
It was just kind of what we called ourselves when we would go ride our horses and we would go attend events.
But the state of New Mexico is trying to say that we were a political action committee, which we never operated in that capacity.
We never put on fundraising events.
We never raised money for candidates.
We never wrote checks for campaigns.
We never did anything like that.
But they're trying to accuse me of doing that.
By some crazy way, they could sway a jury.
They could send me to state prison for a year, and they could revoke my January 6th release, too, because I'm on supervised release right now.
It's critical that I win this jury trial coming up.
Any of your listeners out there, you can...
You can find me on Twitter.
I've got a Twitter handle at CowboyCoy, C-O-U-Y, C-O-W-V-O-Y, C-O-U-Y, at CowboyCoy.
You can find me at Cowboys4Trump on Truth Social.
And, you know, I mean, I appreciate you having me on your platform, Ben, because this isn't something that I usually get to do on conservative platforms.
It seems like I get crucified by the left.
I mean... If you Google my name, you're going to find me on the Washington Post, New York Times, the Daily Beast, Politico, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN. All of the lefties have just been eating me up.
While all the right...
Is silent, you know?
I mean, I get on podcasts occasionally, but, you know, Steve Bannon, I've never been able to make contact with Bannon or Lindale.
Well, I went on Frank's speech a while back, but it's just, I wish I could get my story out more on the right because I think there's a lot on the right that would support me and would stand by me and at the greatest to pray for me.
No, they don't.
They don't. Flynn knows.
I know General Flynn, you know.
I mean, I know General Flynn personally.
I know. I've met Steve.
I've met Steve Bannon and Mike Lindell.
I can't really see, you know.
I mean, I don't have their numbers on my phone or anything, but I've visited with them.
But, you know, honestly, Vim, I think my main problem is I'm that kind of opposition that can't be controlled.
And that's...
You don't get a whole...
I mean, even on our side, you know, I mean...
We look at a lot of the big leaders on the right, and most of them are controlled.
Most of them have kind of an umbrella they come up underneath.
I think myself, I mean, I have no vested interest in politics.
The only reason why I ran for office was because I was sick of the way we've been being treated.
And I can walk away from everything right now.
I mean, I'm not trying to build a merchandise line, and I'm not trying to make a living through this.
I mean, it's nice to have a support group or followers or whatever you want to call, but that's not my driver.
My driver is doing what's right for my country.
That's how I got into the Oval Office.
It's because President Trump is I think.
And I had a few conversations with Trump on the phone.
Trump followed my platform.
He heard my message. And I think that I gained his respect through that.
And I pray that he's still keeping an eye on me because, you know, he called me out, you know.
I mean... Whenever I went to the Oval Office that day, and I haven't really shared this story on a lot of platforms, but after that meeting in the Oval Office, Secret Service took me out to the South Lawn, and Trump was walking out to his helicopter.
And when he was walking, he got done with the press.
He chewed them up and spit them out.
It was during that Bolton thing.
And Trump was walking to the helicopter and he pointed at me and he looked at me in a way that he spoke a thousand words just by his body language, whatever.
He looked at me and he pointed at me and then he looked down and he took a few more steps and he jerked his head up and he pointed at me again.
And what Trump was telling me when he was pointing at me is he was telling me to keep fighting.
He was telling me not to back down.
He was telling me not to be threatened.
And he was telling me there's a lot on the line.
And since that day, then, as God is my witness, I haven't weakened.
I've held the line whenever the elections were beginning to be certified.
I voted no on the certification, okay?
And I led our commission board on a three-no vote to vote no on the certification.
We were the only commission board in the state of New Mexico that voted no.
We got national headlines.
Benny Thompson on the J6 committee even referenced me, not by name, but he was talking about me whenever he was speaking.
And then whenever I went to my sentencing in January...
June the 17th, I was sentenced for two weeks in jail for January 6th, and that evening I had to call in to a commission meeting to reconsider our vote because we were being threatened with fourth-degree felonies and removal of office unless we voted yes to certify.
And in that vote, I again voted no.
My other two commissioners folded.
They calved to the pressure from above and they voted yes to certify.
But I still voted no to certify because I'm willing to make the sacrifice and I think that Trump knows that.
I'm willing to lay it all on the line, you know, because I know what's at stake, just It's our children. It's our children's children.
If we don't hold the line right now, we're never going to have...
Our country's going to be washed away.
I believe that my relationship with Donald Trump...
Is still strong, even though I don't have communication with him anymore.
I believe it's still strong.
I still believe that Trump still knows who I am.
He's got to respect me for the sacrifice that I've made to this point because it's been a rough, rough road, but I stand on good ground, and I have a good conscience, and I'm not ashamed of anything that I've done in the past.
You know, I mean... So, not to boast and not to be butter in my own toes.
I mean, you're somebody that, like, I mean, standing your ground, not being part of the swamp, I mean, you should be admired in the fact that you've gone through so much, but just by standing up for...
The truth and, you know, standing your ground.
I mean, it's insane that you were threatened and the people around you were threatened and they actually folded, but you stayed the course.
Sure. But, Vim, I tell you, the reason why I got removed from office wasn't necessarily because of January 6th.
It was because of the fight that I was willing to fight.
And the liberals of New Mexico knew it, you know?
I mean, I'm probably the number one target for the progressive movement in New Mexico today.
And, you know, it's like the elections.
The elections, and I explained it in the commission meetings, I mean, the first step of certification is on the county level.
The county commissioners are the first ones that certify the election.
It's a yes-no vote, okay?
If we would hold the line on the county level and vote no on the certification, then we could get our paper ballots.
We could get our voter ID. We could get drop boxes removed.
We could do away with the digital tabulators.
We could shore up and secure our elections on the county level.
But what the state does to us, then, is they put a yes-no vote before us, and then they say, you have to vote yes.
You can't vote no.
If you vote no, we're going to remove you from office.
And that makes me stop and go, why are they doing that?
I mean, that's like full-on Stalinist tyranny.
I mean, I don't understand how that could even be considered proper.
It is. It is, but what it is, Vim, is it's a liability thing.
It's because whenever the county commissioners or the boards of supervisors, when they vote yes on a yes-no vote, then now the liability has shifted to the people on the county level.
So then whenever the fraud rises to the top, It's evident.
Now the state bureaucrats are going to point to the county and go, well, you guys voted to certify it.
You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's a very unfair tactic what they're doing, but we could stop it if we had oath keepers on the bottom floor.
We have to have local leaders that are willing to honor their oath and put their oath above state mandate, state laws, federal laws, all the democracy pyramid control garbage that we're under right now. I mean, if we're truly to be a republic, the voice of the people is first expressed on the local level. That's where the local
Local forms of government should be the most respected, and they should be the only forms of government that are passing legislation that directly affects the people.
You know? Yeah.
I mean, the federal government shouldn't be...
People out here in New Mexico, my forest shouldn't be managed by Washington DC. My national forest should be managed by local Elected leaders, and you know, that's a republic.
But this thing that they call democracy is the top of the pyramid, okay?
Democracy is a lie.
We're not a democracy.
We're a republic.
We're a republic that's structured through the democratic process, but the only area that we need to have a democracy is when we elect our local leaders.
And then from that point, We should be represented locally because that's a republic.
Anything else, if we're being legislated over from Washington, D.C., that's not America.
That's not a republic.
That's tyranny or democracy or communism or Marxism or whatever you want to call it, but it's not a republic.
Exactly. Exactly.
I mean, what do you, you know, I guess, what do you tell the people that keep referring it to as a democracy?
Is it that, like, we've just gone astray, we don't teach government civics properly in high school anymore, hence people don't even understand, you know, what our country is?
Man, we've been, you know, our public school system has just indoctrinated us, man, you know?
I mean, it's, We're probably close to the same generation, you know, and we still, you know, we were still taught American history in school, you know, we were still taught civics, we still, you know, understand our government and how our government's supposed to function, but, you know, It's something that's being lost.
We live underneath this precept nowadays that whoever gets the most votes is the one that's got the loudest voice.
That's not America.
That's a dictatorship.
I don't know.
We have to wake more people up and we have to have this conversation that you and I are having right now.
We have to have this more.
And your listeners out there that are listening to this, you need to be a voice for the people that you have influence over, starting with your own family, starting with your own kids, to really...
Get their feet on the ground because, you know, we're always looking to Washington, D.C. for help, and our help lies in the office of county sheriff.
Our help lies in our county commission boards.
Our help lies in our school board administrators, you know?
But we have to make sure that we have God-fearing red-blooded Constitutional love and oath-keeping Americans on those levels and we don't have plants coming in that You know are destroying those those foundations Yeah, yeah Hoy is there anything that we didn't talk about that you'd
want to mention in closing any also any websites where they could donate to you Help you out with your cause of you know really fighting this very unfortunate tyranny Yeah, damn, you know One thing that the left does is they destroy you financially, you know, and that's pretty much where I'm at right now.
You know, I know everybody's trying to raise money nowadays.
Everybody's trying to, you know, but unfortunately, where I'm at in this game, it takes money to fight this game.
You know, I went through my removal case, pro se.
I didn't even have an attorney because...
I didn't have the infrastructure or the resources to fund one.
I argued the case myself in there, pro se.
But I do have a gift sent go.
I'll send you the link for it.
Maybe you can put it up for your listeners as well.
Just prayers, man.
As I mentioned, I've got a Twitter page, Cowboy Koi.
And you can find Cowboys for Trump on True Social.
But those are ways to kind of stay engaged.
And, you know, we're going to win this deal, Bill.
We're going to have justice one day.
My main target that I've got in front of me right now is Epstein and the Epstein Circle.
You know that? That ranch is out here in New Mexico.
Epstein called New Mexico one of his home bases.
I'm not going to quit fighting for justice until we get that Zorro Ranch exposed.
What was going on in that Zorro Ranch?
Tell me about that Zorro Ranch.
It was a trafficking place, man.
This is where Prince Andrew came, you know?
I mean, this is where the Clintons came.
They chose New Mexico because they had a level of protection in New Mexico because New Mexico is so corrupt, you know?
But I'll tell you something that a lot of people don't know is that ranch, that Zorro ranch that Jeffrey Epstein owned here in New Mexico, it was formerly owned by Bruce King, who's a former governor of New Mexico.
So, Tell me how that deal came together.
Jeffrey Epstein all of a sudden buys a former governor of New Mexico's ranch?
I mean, that's the focus right now.
You know, we gotta get the Epstein circle broke down because that's the disease.
We deal with symptoms from that.
When we clean that up, then the symptoms are gonna go away.
Which, what are the symptoms?
The border, you know, the inflation, Ukraine, you know, the people that are causing all those problems are the ones that were part of this Epstein cartel, you know?
We really need to get that nutcrack, and I think it's going too soon.
What do you think about the whole, I mean, the whole Epstein, I guess the case was exposed, all the numbers, the blacklist, I mean, I've been seeing a lot of stuff over the last 24 hours about that.
A lot of stuff's coming to light, Bill.
The reason why I think that that Epstein thing hasn't been uncovered is because I think we have people on our side, you might say, that are implicated in it as well.
If we're going to start an investigation, then instead of saying, let's investigate Bill Gates, let's investigate Tom Hanks, let's investigate Oprah or whatever, all these lefties, Let's investigate those on our own side that have been accused.
Why not start with Donald Trump?
They've accused Trump of being on Epstein's flight list, which I think that he was.
Now, I'm never going to say guilty by association, but I'm also going to say if they're trying to muddy Trump's name in this, let's exonerate his name.
Let's investigate him.
And as soon as we investigate Donald Trump, then let's investigate Bill Clinton, okay?
because we have to start somewhere and I think that it would be no better place than to start with somebody on our own side and at least we could get the ball rolling because it's gonna have to start somewhere and if if we try to protect everybody on our side that's being accused and they're protecting everybody on their side then it's never gonna get started anywhere we have to start with
those on our side and go from there.
Sorry. That's exactly what we've been really pushing for, to be honest with you, on the America Happens platform.
Oh yeah, I mean, we did an expose on Dr.
gold specifically for this reason because there was things going on there that I don't think were essentially moral, potentially unlawful.
Sometimes you can't play that game.
You can't play that very hypocritical game where you play the left-right game and you cover up for the people on one side.
That's just not the way things are going to evolve properly.
All you're going to get is more division by doing that nonsense.
I mean, I tell you what, if I had been to a party somewhere and Epstein was there and I took a picture with him and, you know, hung out with him and rode on his plane and I knew nothing about what this guy was doing and all of a sudden I was being accused of being part of his group, I would be begging for an investigation only to clear my name, you know?
And that's what people should be doing right now.
I mean, if If Trump's being accused of being inside the Epstein cartel, investigate him, exonerate him, clear him of it, because until that happens, he'll always be accused, you know?
There'll always be suspicion.
But, you know, then that leads us back to, well, who the hell's going to do the investigation?
The FBI? I would trust them as far as I could throw them right now, you know?
So, but...
But hopefully we have transparency one day, Bim.
I mean, guys like you and me, that's all we start for is transparency and truth, you know?
I mean, it's time to show our cards.
Show your damn cards.
Let's get our country back together and let's be greater than we've ever been, you know?
I mean, that's my heart in it anyway.
Exactly, brother. Amen.
Amen. Thank you so much for coming on our show.
Sorry? Yeah, I was just telling you, thank you, man.
It's been a blessing to come on with you, man.
Thank you. Thank you, sir.
And definitely, we'd love to have you back on.
We're going to keep following the story and whatever we can do on our end to expose this.
I mean, Bannon needs to have you on there.
Lindell needs to have you on there.
And, you know, just having stood the ground the way you did, I mean, you need to be on the top of that list, frankly.
I'd love to be, you know.
I mean, I wish that...
I wish I could get there, and I believe I will.
I mean, I've been on...
You know, I've been on Tucker Carlson.
I've been on Neil Cavuto.
I've been on Maria Bartiromo.
I've hit those big ones on Fox.
But that was like, I don't know, three years ago probably, whenever the border was a mess, and they were dialing me in.
But, you know, it's like Fox News is...
I don't know, man.
I'm just like a skeptic of all of them now, you know?
I hate to be like that, but man, it's like, who do you trust in this crazy world nowadays, man?
I don't know.
Well, you definitely can't trust any of the mainstream media, including Fox.
They're all part of the Mockingbird media.
That's why we do what we do here, you know?
You're right. Absolutely.
I agree 100%.
Awesome, brother. Awesome.
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