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Oct. 2, 1996 - Bill Cooper
02:01:31
Bob Swan
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This is the World Wide Freedom Radio Network.
Don't forget to stay tuned immediately following the hour of the time for the new network
program, Quest for Health, with Michael Cottingham.
And coming next Monday, immediately the hour before the Hour of the Time, Jackie Petrou will debut with her new broadcast.
We now give you...
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Use the power of the dark.
I have never known a beautiful woman like you, my sweet.
This is the hour of the time, and I'm still William Cooper.
Bye!
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm very happy this evening.
The wind is blowing, howling outside, as a matter of fact, and there is intermittent sprinkling rain.
Not yet showers, but the horizon before sunset distinctly promises heavy rain, thunderstorms, probably during the night.
But that's not why I'm really pleased.
I have here, staying with me tonight, two of my favorite people, Michelle and Marie Moore, whom you all listened to last night.
Isn't it wonderful, the atmosphere of the wind in the background, which this wonderful microphone from the original days of radio picks up better than any modern microphone made today?
And I know that you can hear it.
And my best friend in the whole world, Bob Swan, is here, who's going to be The guest on the broadcast tonight, and we're just going to talk about whatever comes into our mind.
And that could be an awful lot of things.
We'll probably tell some old stories.
And that'll be a lot of fun.
Because I guarantee you, ladies and gentlemen, if you had known me in my youth, when Bob and I were wild and willy and full of spunk and vim and vigor, you would have had a difficult time recognizing William Cooper.
Don't go away.
I'll be right back with my special guest, very special guest, Robert Swan, after this brief pause.
Come on, let's cruise it up.
Nothing to lose, so come on, let's cruise it up.
Come on, let's cruise it up.
Nothing to lose, so come on, let's cruise it up.
Nothing to lose, so come on, let's cruise it up.
Come on, let's cruise it up.
Nothing to lose, so come on, let's cruise it up.
Come on, it's just nothing really, baby I'm still cruising like we are in July
Hey, hey, let's go to the beach I'll bring my hot rod and you need a key
You found a dream, but you stepped out on me I never see through the sky
I'm swimming in that static sea And it tastes just like a can of cream
Now you're all listening to the lyrics of this last musical selection.
You're thinking that I just put that on there.
But, you know, those lyrics just literally parallel the life that Bob and I led in our
younger days.
We lived in Hawaii.
I was attached, I was a member of the United States Navy, attached as the intelligence
briefing team member of the intelligence briefing team, the commander in chief of the United
States Pacific Fleet.
And I've been accused of lying about that and not really being a member of the intelligence
briefing team of Admiral Bernard Clary, who was the commander in chief of the United States
Pacific Fleet at Makalapa in Hawaii.
And Bob was there at that time.
And he can clarify that for anybody who is doubtful or who is still doubtful about my
credentials.
In fact, Bob can tell you an awful lot of things, most of which I don't want him ever to tell anyone.
Bob, welcome to the Hour of the Time.
Yeah, thanks, Bill.
We sure had a good time over there, and as we were talking earlier today, It's amazing how, through the time, the years have passed, 25 years, and how we came to become friends instantly, as a matter of fact, back when I was running the diving company and you were out there at St.
Pat's League.
And I just find it amazing how, after all of these years, that you and I have been such good friends.
And here we are.
Yeah, that's true, and sometimes I have to marvel at that, but I think that the basic reason is that we have never, you and I have never changed in our basic personality, our honesty, our belief structure.
We've just learned an awful lot more.
Yeah, that's right.
And the very basis of our friendship has always been a tremendous openness and honesty and trust, even to the point of our very lives, because some of the things that we used to do together were extremely dangerous.
Yeah, you know, it's kind of funny, the different people I've talked to along the way about our past, and they say, well, how was it that you have been such good friends for all these years?
And I specifically remember one time when you saved my life.
And when I was sinking, and you reached over the boat and grabbed me and the anchor that I was sinking with, I was out of air.
But there you were.
Really took me back because that same bronze anchor is now near Lanai.
Yeah, and Lanai is a porch for those of you who don't know that Hawaiian slurring.
And yeah, that's been the symbol of our friendship all these years, actually.
You held it for many years, and now we passed it.
I'm holding it.
It's my turn.
And we pledged to each other that we would always keep that anchor with one or the other of us as a symbol of our deep friendship.
I would have died, you know, and so that attachment to that thing is probably about the only thing that really I hold a value in my life, besides my family and my kids.
You know, one of the stories, I don't think, back when I was building, after the dining business, working for Clara Booth Lewis, it was really kind of funny, we were sitting there Well, for the sake of our listeners, Clare Booth Luce was the wife of Henry Luce, who owned the Time-Life Empire.
And she was extremely wealthy at the time, but we knew her.
She was an elderly woman.
Her sight was failing her, but she was full of life.
I mean, just bubbling with life.
And so, take it from there.
Well, it was the time when you could, when you were off from St.
Pat Clayton, and Claire wanted to build a pavilion, a presidential pavilion for Richard Nixon, because last time they were out there, the Hawaiian sun was a little too hot, so we were in the process of designing this.
Yeah, he got sunburned, so she had commissioned us to build this pavilion to keep the sun off of the president and his Yeah, it was incredible.
But as we were sitting there in the lanai, I'll never forget it, you know, as you looked across the grounds, you said, you know, I recognize that guy.
And it's amazing.
Yeah, because it wasn't in the context of, you know, the Navy.
And Claire looked over at me and she says, you know, there's only one thing that I want in my life.
And I said, you know, Claire, well, what could that be?
You already have everything.
She says, you know, my desire is just to marry a homosexual admiral so I can have all these cute little sailors come around and mow my lawn.
And I'll never forget the expression on your face.
It just, you went cold, you know.
It was not a funny day, I'll tell you.
No, it was not.
And all of a sudden I knew who that guy was.
But she was quite a woman.
I can remember when we would be working on something in her yard and she would invite us to come have lunch with her or have a glass of iced tea.
And she was always interested in things that we had not even thought about or considered.
I remember one day she asked us what she thought of the proposition of the equality of women in the workplace.
And I don't remember what we said.
It was probably something extremely stupid.
I really don't know because we were, what, 20?
what 20s, early 20s, middle 20s, something like that.
If I had said anything and I don't really remember what I said or if I did I probably
would have said well you know I think women should probably make as much as a man makes
in the same job.
Not really understanding what it was that she was really talking about because her mind
was way beyond the rest of the world it seemed to me.
Because she was really concerned about things and used to probe us just to see what we were going to say.
And then later, in later years, I recognized that those social trends were coming about, that she was probing us, trying to get our opinion of what we would think about those things, way back then.
Isn't that incredible?
Yeah, she was really a gracious host, hostess.
Her whole staff there was...
They treated us as if they'd known us all of their lives, and as if we were dear friends, when in reality we were probably more acquaintances and people that had been hired to do a specific job, and yet we were taken in just as if we were family.
Yeah.
I wish more people in that position, and I've met a lot of extremely wealthy people, but she made people feel All equal, as it were.
Important.
Important, yeah.
I mean, really.
Who do you know would call the hired help in to have lunch and tea and then probe their minds as if they were experts on the subject and really lend a lot of importance to what You know what was also incredible about Clara Luce was her personal secretary, Mrs. Pierce.
Her organization and her preciseness in everything that she did, even everybody that took care of that estate.
Everybody she treated well and she never put anybody down or elevated herself as a lot of people naturally elevated her being the ambassadress that she was.
I wish the affluent or the elite that are taking us down this path could stop for a minute and spend a day with Claire Bootle.
that day with seeing children laugh and play and they won't stop long enough to do that.
No.
No, there were an awful lot of tremendous opportunities that we had and some of them
I fear that we probably blew away in our perpetual search for parties and fun and the sun and
the waves and the sand and all that kind of stuff.
I remember that my job required me to go in at about 4 o'clock in the morning and prepare
the briefing for the administrative staff which would occur about 8 o'clock in the morning.
And then after that I was finished.
And for the rest of the day I would go down and work at the dive shop and we would go
and take charters out and teach diving classes and occasionally do some commercial diving
work and things of that nature.
And at the end of the day we would go up to the pool bar at the Reap Hotel and our habit
was to sit there and talk and have a ball and harass the tourists and have three Mai
Thais and then if we had a dinner date we would go pick up our dates and go on a dinner
date or we would stumble home and go to bed or whatever it was.
And drinking Mai Thais is quite a bit.
I know a lot of people go out and drink all night but they're not drinking Mai Thais.
Well I think of that time frame because of what you were doing and what you had access
to and what your oath was.
There were a lot of things that you couldn't talk about and wouldn't talk about.
and And so there was a lot of release that you had in our association in diving and going out and having a few Mai Tais.
Yeah, because I wasn't in the military then.
And nobody really knew that I was in the military except you and maybe a couple of other guys.
And I could just let it all hang out and get loose and really have a good time.
And I remember you guys would probe me about things, and I would just tell you I can't talk about those things at all.
But later, that changed, and I chose you to confide in, and I did talk quite a bit about a lot of things, specifically with you.
But those were the days for you and I, I mean, really, wine and roses and sunshine and plucking the flowers off the trees.
And just having a blast.
It was the kind of life that a lot of people dream about and we were extremely fortunate to be able to live that life.
We participated in the finish of the Transpac races.
I mean we met all the important people in Hawaii.
I don't know about you but I tried to count all the beautiful girls that you knew at that time and I couldn't count them.
They were just endless.
They just came in an endless stream from all over the world and to the dive shop to learn how to dive or to go out and snorkel and scuba dive and they were just such wonderful, vibrant people and here we were in this fantastic, romantic job and so we were never Without a date.
You know, I think it was really good for you because that was right after Vietnam and all the dramas that you went through over there, so it was a vacation for you.
It was almost like Disneyland.
It was more than that.
It was like dying and going to heaven for me after Vietnam, which had to be the epitome
of hell on earth.
If there is a hell on earth, I mean, that had to be it.
And that's why so many Vietnam veterans are so screwed up.
Because we all went there wanting deep within our hearts to be doing the right thing, and
thinking that we were, and believing that.
And wanting to become heroes and come back home and be able to march in the Veterans
Day Parade as we had seen our fathers and uncles and grandfathers and great-grandfathers
do all of the time that we were growing up.
And then when we got older, learning that there was no glory in war and there wasn't fun.
There was no heroism to it.
People did what they had to do, when they had to do it, to survive and to ensure the survival of their friends and comrades in arms.
And most of us, when we did those things, we did them without even thinking about it.
You know, I don't believe that you can be a hero without consciously weighing the odds and deciding, you know, you're going to give your life or risk giving your life in the process.
And I don't think anybody ever did that.
I don't care who they were.
And I've got to tell you, I served with some people that if anybody could have been called heroes, they were.
And in a couple of instances, I was called a hero and given two medals with the B for valor.
But I have to say that I wasn't.
I just did what I was required to do in order to live.
And that's what people do under those circumstances.
But the conditions and the rules and where you could fire and where you couldn't fire and everything just ensured that we were constantly plagued with the inability to win.
And that was a tremendous burden.
And the rotation that you had to leave after a year was another tremendous burden because
you felt like you were abandoning, in my instance, my crew because I was a patrol boat captain.
And I felt like, you know, in a way they were my children and my charges and I was responsible
for them.
And so when I left there I went to Hawaii.
I was attached to this impact, freed in this beautiful land of flowers and women and wine
and song and dancing and perpetual sunshine and an ocean that never got cold.
We would go spend the whole day in the water.
And come out we'd be wrinkles but not cold.
And just love it.
I mean, we were like fish.
That was heaven to me.
Well, you know, you always had the capability of separating.
You know, except in rare times when, you know, when the whole Vietnam experience just kind of came down on you like a ton of bricks.
But you did release yourself in those times, you know, diving and experiencing the creation of the beauty around you.
And that's really admirable to be able to do that.
I love.
Yeah.
On occasion Paul desperately head over heels in love.
That's an easy thing to do.
Oh yes.
And you know I still do that.
But I do it very discriminately now with Annie.
Right.
Over and over and over and over again.
Well you know I think what we have to do in what we're trying to do to stabilize and Put power back into families and hold on to our country.
What we have to do is we have to live life to the fullest.
Love to the fullest.
And I think you had mentioned that the time of the greatest exhilaration was when you're closest to death.
Because that's when you really feel alive.
That's when you're living the most.
That's when you really realize what life is all about.
And people who have never walked on the edge of the razor blade really don't understand that.
That's one thing that many of us came away from Vietnam with was an understanding of life and an understanding of death and a reconciliation with the fear of death so that an awful lot of us don't have that fear anymore.
And I think that's something that you probably recognized in me very early on is that nothing ever scared me.
I just was not afraid after that.
There was nothing that could threaten me after I'd gone through that ordeal.
Well, you know, when you really look at what's going on and what's plaguing the American family and business person is the control of fear.
The way I think of it is the only way to control people is through fear, intimidation, and ignorance.
Yes.
And we talked a lot about that today.
And one of the ways that people are controlled the most is that it's ingrained within them throughout their life that they must attach some strange value to material possessions and money.
And so, the threat of losing that is terrifying and paralyzing, so that people cannot act and do the right thing if they believe that in doing the right thing they're going to lose these material possessions which they have been taught all their life have such great meaning.
Yet those material possessions can't love them, can't protect them, can't give them solace.
There is no spiritual sustenance or nourishment there.
And it's the wrong thing.
And I've said it many times on this broadcast that if you can't get up and walk away from everything that you own without any guilt pains or feelings of remorse and without even the urge to look back Then you're not free, and you can't ever be free.
And so you can do that, because that love of material possessions is what will be used against you to enslave you.
That longing for security, and to be surrounded with comfort.
Well, that's how people equate their success is their Gucci bag or the new Corvette in their garage.
Is that real success?
No, not even close.
What's really interesting, just some statistics I'll throw out here, is in 1950 the tax base
or the burden was two percent of income and a family could support themselves in 25 percent
of their income.
Now, a statistic that I heard, I haven't verified it, but I'm sure it's quite accurate, is at that time the income rate, not the unemployment rate, but the income, the employed rate, was 30% of our population.
Yeah, you're going to blow people's minds with that 30% because they're thinking in modern day terms.
So why don't you explain what that really means?
Well, the 30% of the population was working.
They had jobs.
Moms could stay home and care for the children, nurture the children. So when you
talk about success, in my opinion of what that is, is looking back at my kids. And I feel
very fortunate that my wife was able to raise the kids and be in the family business.
I was there when you got married.
I know you were.
And you've seen my kids grow up.
So when people equate success to the wardrobe in the closet or the car in the garage or the house on the hill and the astronomical mortgage payment, but their kids are on drugs or hate them That to me is not success.
But having that family that you can embrace and love, then that is what success is.
And unfortunately, it seems the controlling elite, what I've, I haven't seen it, but I can just speculate that there isn't a whole lot of love in those families.
Any nurturing of the children is more than likely done by outside sources.
And you're the same way.
I mean, your family structure is the same as mine.
So that, in my opinion, is success.
The thing that I find to be true, in my opinion, is the greatest gift that God gave us is the power of imagination.
and through imagination comes creation. You know, an architect can't create a beautiful structure if
he's constantly worried about the billing hours or the attorneys. In many instances, probably the
reason why there's some very hideous structures out there was if the architect's concern was those issues.
He was afraid he couldn't make the house straight.
That's right.
So he had to hurry up and do this thing.
So the creative mind or the creative spirit through the imagination can only flourish and grow if a person is free from worry, fear, intimidation.
So I think that's one of the things that I'd really like to hope that people could focus on is, along with these desperate times of the UN taking over our national parks at an alarming rate, and the biodiversity treaty coming online, and the destruction of our country, if we can maybe focus Along the way on the positive, because if we immerse ourselves in the negative, how can we ever pull out of the negative?
Well, this is what I really enjoyed about Michael Cottingham's initial broadcast.
It was his first broadcast on our new network last night.
And he ran into a talk about living, not just surviving, but living.
And I really got enthused in that because I believe in that.
That's what I've always done.
I've always walked on the razor blade and lived life to the fullest and tried to do the very best that I'm able to do for my family and for the world and for my community.
And I recognized that when he was talking about this, that sometimes, especially in my commercials with Swiss America Training, I'm talking about surviving.
And I found fault with that.
And I really enjoy, I'm really so happy that Michael brought that up and talked about it, because that's not my intention, to get people into just this survival mode.
while they're preparing to survive what we all know is coming, they must at the same
time be in the process of living, and living a happy full life, and doing the right things,
and being spiritually nourished, and be able to give others that spiritual nourishment
that they need.
Because that's really what it's all about.
It's not about material possessions.
It's about love.
It's about spiritual nourishment.
It's about doing the right thing, regardless of the consequences.
We all have to die eventually.
And it doesn't matter when you die.
It's how you die that is of the utmost importance.
And it's not about surviving.
It's about living.
And it's not just about living.
It's about how you're living.
That's important.
And so you're absolutely correct about that.
And Michael was right on target last night.
I can't wait to hear his broadcast tonight, because he's a dear friend, too.
He doesn't have the concrete foundation that our friendship has, but he certainly is a
good dear friend.
You know, it's the discussion of friendship.
And I think probably a lot of the listening audience will recognize this.
And...
As friends part, and they're separated for years on end, when you re-establish that friendship, or you walk back in, and it's as if time had not stopped.
I mean, you pick up right where you left off.
Actually, it's as if time had stopped.
Right.
As if nothing had changed.
Yeah.
Except, you know, I'm a little balder and grayer, and we're both a little fatter.
No matter what the interval of time between those meetings is, it's as if there had never been a party or a break at all.
And it just picks up exactly where it left off.
And you know what I really appreciate about you, Bob, is that you have never changed or grown cold or ceased your zest for life and adventure, and you have never ever become deceitful or dishonest.
You're still the same young, enthusiastic, wonderful person that I met in Hawaii many, many years ago.
And I'm just so thrilled with that.
It's amazing.
Because so many people become jaded and they learn how to become deceitful and lie and manipulative and all of these different kinds of things.
And that has never happened with either one of us.
You know, when I had my construction company in Hawaii, I looked at various people that I had seen go the path of money.
And in my readings and so on, there was a scientist, Wilhelm Reich, and what he was able to do is prove the life force energy through people.
And I looked at some of these people and they were dead.
There was absolutely no life in them because they had pursued the money and they had lost track of that love or of free giving.
In other words, when you give freely where you don't expect a return payment, their reality point was, well, I'm probably going to do this thing and get something back.
And they were dead.
And so I equated my... They're not really dead.
They're animated.
I mean, they're living and moving around, but it's as if there's no one in there.
Right.
It's as if you knocked on the door, no one would ever answer.
There's just nobody home.
Like, there's no soul in that body.
It's vacant.
Yeah.
And the more that they pursue those goals and that type of life, the more vacant it appears to me that they become.
And, you know, adversely, if you lead the other type of life, it's like you grow in spirit and in love and in truth and all of those kinds of things.
One of the things I was so proud of last night, because I really had not realized how much Michael had paid attention to my lecture on truth when he came to the conference two years ago.
And that's when we became trans.
I gave a lecture on the quest for truth, and what that means, and what it's all about.
And last night, in his opening broadcast, he talked about that.
And he talked about it as if that had become his whole life.
And he calls his broadcast, The Quest for Help.
And he talked about the quest for truth and what that was all about and everything.
And it almost brought tears to my eyes because, you know, sometimes I just don't get feedback
on these things.
And I realized that somebody had really listened to me and really had understood what it was
that I was trying to say and that the value of one's life depends upon one's serious quest
for the truth and spiritual nourishment rather than all of the other things that are out there.
And so, last night, Michael returned that to me by giving me back that spiritual nourishment that apparently he had obtained from me during that lecture over two years ago.
Don't you find it interesting that when you live your life that way, when you need it, when you need that uplift, it's there for you?
It's like you're depressed or something and all of a sudden the gift comes to you.
And then what I've been focusing on lately is who really is in charge here?
And it certainly isn't me.
As things unfold in my life daily, I realize that I'm not the one making things happen or bringing things together.
To the extent of how we started is when we met in Hawaii almost 25 years ago.
how we were brought together at that point in time and instantly became friends and here we are
these 20 some years later 25 years later so I find it nourishing to realize that there's
there's another another power there and and I believe that the work that we're involved in
right now is we are effectively you and I and a number of other people out there is is we're
confronting and working within the exact forces that are battling the energies of good and evil
are about us It's a war.
It is literally, not figuratively, but literally, we are engaged in a very serious, very devastating
and terrible war.
And it is, as I've said many times over the last four years, it is a war between the armies
of good versus the armies of evil.
And everyone, regardless of who they are or what religion they belong to or what country
they live in, are going to be required very shortly to make a choice as to which side
they are going to fight upon or whether they are going to stand in the middle.
And I have to say, if they stand in the middle, they will be totally devastated.
They will have to choose one side or the other.
And so this is going to be a terrific conflict, out of which we all hope and pray will come
a much better world.
No one really knows what the outcome will be, but we all feel that if we're fighting
upon the side of good and righteousness, that it will be a better world.
We have to believe that.
Yeah, and you know, I think if each one of us, on a daily basis, in trying to remain positive, we need to go out and when we see an elderly lady that needs help with her groceries, Go help her.
I had an experience when I was driving down from San Francisco to San Diego a month or so ago that I went into a gas station.
I was fueling up with my plastic credit cards and so on and there was a Spanish family and they were dressed up and it looked like they were, I thought they were either going to church or just coming back from church because it was Sunday and they had on their Sunday best.
And this gentleman, a Mexican gentleman, was counting out his change on the counter.
And I looked at him and I had a ten dollar bill in my pocket.
And I put it down on the counter and I said, go ahead and put gas in your car.
And the guy's mouth just dropped.
You know, why would this stranger come up and do that?
But the joy that I felt from that.
It was incredible.
So I think for the listening audience, in the times of trouble and so on that are around us, is if we can just on a daily basis go out and help somebody else.
Help them, uplift them.
And in doing so, what it will do to you, how it will make you feel is infinitely better.
And that's how we're going to win this fight out here, is keep the spirit going and love your fellow man.
Because there's enough hatred around here to consume us if we let that happen.
So let's not let that happen.
Yes.
That's true.
And one of the worst things in the world is this blind hatred that everybody has for no reason at all.
Well who knows?
I've never been able to figure it out.
You take a bunch of children and put them in a room.
They don't hate each other.
And if they grow up together, unless there's some outside force that comes in and tells them that, uh, he can't like that guy over there because, uh, he's black, or he's a gay, or he's, uh, his hair is, uh, white and he's just seven years old, and when you're seven years old, your hair's not supposed to be white, so he's a freak and you gotta call him a freak and treat him bad.
Children just don't do that unless, uh, somebody else teaches them to do that.
They will... Did I hear that?
Your stomach growled so loud that I heard it through the earphones, and it went out over the radio around the world.
Well, that's okay, because I had the wonderful opportunity to feed Bob some smoked snake tonight, and he devoured it with great gusto, and now his stomach is growling, so it's okay.
You know, it's one of the experiences that we had sailing in the South Pacific, the various villages.
And when you say we, that's not you and I. That's you and your wife and my youngest son, Sheldon.
We went through the various island groups, Western Samoa and Tonga and Fiji, and also American Samoa, the Cook Islands.
But in all of those islands down there, other than American Samoa, the village conditions, which we would in our country say they were poverty stricken, you couldn't believe the joy in those kids kicking around a water bottle or making kites or flying them.
The church services down there were absolutely incredible in the Fijian Islands.
The congregations and the various churches would get together annually for an award for the best choirs and so on.
The energy and the music that came out of those people were absolutely phenomenal.
They were alive.
Do you remember a movie called Donovan's Reef with Reed Marvin?
Yeah, yeah.
But then when we got to America and Samoa, the difference was night and day.
Uh, the school kids there, they were the Crips and the Bloods, and they were the Skinheads, and they were, and, and all it was was a little dinky island no bigger than one eye.
And they all ran around hating each other.
Yeah.
And, and I felt... Real smart.
Real smart, I gotta tell you.
You live on this postage stamp in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and you run around trying to push everybody else into the ocean, while they're trying to push you into the ocean, and just hate each other with all your might.
Yeah.
Real smart.
But that's the influence.
That's the influence of what's happening to our kids in this country.
Movies and television.
The educational system.
And so when I look out at the kids in my neighborhood and see other kids in this country, my heart goes out to them because they have so much, but they have nothing.
They have no spiritual reality of who they are, where they came from, what this country is all about.
I've always had this feeling, and my friend Anthony Childers sort of partway proven it.
I've always had this feeling that if I could go into the biggest ghettos and the biggest cities where these children's and teenagers' hearts have been so solidified, like they're like stone.
and that they've been so desensitized to where killing another child is nothing to them.
If I could just sit down with them and tell them who they are and what this is all about,
how they're being used, and what their lifestyle is doing to them and to their future, and
make them understand that we're engaged in a war which they are at the present time losing.
I just had this feeling that they would all of a sudden become a tremendous force for
good and for the future.
And Anthony Hilder has actually done that in South Central LA.
He's gone into the deepest, most dangerous parts of that community, where they read my
book, by the way.
In those communities, my book is recommended as required reading whenever anything can
be required.
And he went down there and there was a gang meeting place where they would all go and
And he went down there and there was a gang meeting place where they would all go and
meet in sort of a nuclear ground.
meet and sort of on nuclear ground.
And he said they were projecting huge pictures of the cover of my book on the wall.
And he said they were projecting huge pictures of the cover of my book on the wall.
And then they would have speakers get up and talk about things.
And then they would have speakers get up and talk about things.
And then Anthony walked in, and because he's white, he was immediately attacked and threatened
and everything like that.
And some of the leaders recognized him.
And urged him to get up and talk.
And so he got up and talked to these people.
And because of that, because of his bravery and his courage to go down and do that, he
has actually caused some gang members and gang leaders to begin to set out on this quest
for the truth and to begin to teach their other comrades, if you will, their friends
and neighbors and other gang members what is really happening to them and how they're
being used to help destroy this country.
And they don't want to be used in that way.
See, but they never understood it before.
And so there is some hope in some small corners because it's not a big movement.
Because some of these kids have been so turned off and desensitized and abused and have been so rejected that there's no coming back for some of them.
I mean we have to be realistic.
But for some of them there is a coming back and there is a hope and there is hope.
There is the promise that they can help make things right.
There's a black educator in the Bronx and I believe it was on 60 Minutes a week or so ago of what she's doing in that community and the feeling is that those kids from the ghetto over there, every single one of them will go to college.
And do what they want to do in life, because she has given them the self-esteem.
Those kids are from broken homes, and various family members have been murdered in the streets.
But as the program laid out, each of those kids had an incredible hope, and you could see that in their eyes.
So as our communities, if we can get those groups to rethink possibly how they have gotten to that position, whether it's through the churches or other people in the community, charities that can actually go in there and assist in those areas, a little A group of ten people that improve will expand to twenty and thirty and so on.
I have a great feeling that the evil that is out there and the destruction, the planned destruction of our communities will win.
Because people want to do what's right and people are basically honest.
It sounded like you said the evil and destruction out there will win.
No, no, no.
What you meant is we will win.
Right, that's correct.
We'll win over that evil and destruction.
Yeah, OK.
I think so too.
I don't think anybody consciously ever sets out to do bad things, or to be evil, or to hurt other people.
I think it's a consequence of being disenfranchised.
accepted or loved and not feeling that there's a place and seeking out some one or some group
or some gang who will accept them, but it's always on some terms that's destructive.
And there's no guidance or spiritual direction, if you will, for these people.
You know, on the spiritual side, there was a study done and the crime rate parallels
the almost identically the decline in the church attendance.
Church attendance, disintegration of the family, the proliferation of single parent homes where
the mother is the parent.
I hate to say this, folks, but it's true and you can call me a male chauvinist pig if you
want to, I don't care what you say.
I have watched this, I have noticed it, I see it everywhere.
Women are not prone to provide the proper discipline for young people that is necessary
and at a certain stage in a young person's life, if they actually feel that they can
overpower that mother, she has lost total control, if she has no tremendous foundation
in love and spiritual guidance for that child, the child is going to disregard whatever the
mother says from that point on and will live whatever kind of life they want to live.
And that's a tremendous tragedy.
Where there is a male in the home and discipline is administered properly and expectations are placed before the child and the child knows the limits and the rules and what they can and what they can't do.
What's expected in their love, really given tremendous love and spiritual nourishment, these things don't happen.
They just do not happen.
Now, don't equate love and spiritual guidance in a home where there's a father and mother with wealth, because that's not what it's all about.
Because I hear some people say, well, Johnny comes from the best family, and they They have everything that you could possibly imagine, and his father's rich, and he just murdered his Susie down the street.
Wealth has nothing to do with the proper discipline and upbringing and loving and guidance of a child.
Nothing whatsoever.
And I can remember a time in this country when the financial position of a family had
nothing to do with the upbringing and guidance of the children.
And you would find the same manners and the same behavior from children that came from
very poor homes that came from very rich homes.
And when they addressed their elders, they would say, yes sir, no sir, yes ma'am, no
ma'am, and were polite and did the right thing.
And over the years that I have, just in my lifetime, I have seen the moral values and
the discipline of children and the respect for other human beings, not just their elders,
just absolutely flushed down the toilet.
And to the point where children have no guidance, no structure, no promise, no love, no nothing.
They're lost.
They have no sense of history, no sense of belonging, no sense of tradition.
It's no wonder that they're so lost and so many of them have so little hope and have set out on some of the destructive lives that they have chosen.
I think you know, maybe someone in the listening audience out there could either verify this
or deny it, but one of the destructive elements that I feel is causing a lot of this is the
inability of our churches to address certain issues, because in the Constitution, what
we hear from the media is there'll be a separation of church and state, but that's not what the
Constitution says.
The Constitution says there shall be no state religion, but unfortunately what some of these
church organizations have done is they've gone and asked to be recognized as a tax-exempt
organization, and so they've gone to the Internal Revenue Service and asked them to please recognize
them and please give me one of your 501c3 corporations, which is blatantly unconstitutional
and they've become state religion.
And they're controlled by this.
They're no longer free.
No, they're dictated on what they can say from the pulpit.
And they never understood that the Constitution protected them in the beginning.
They did not have to have a 501c3 to have a tax exempt status.
That's right.
One of the churches in this country that most people laugh at and disregard and think is
a funny little organization is the Universal Life Church.
Yet the Universal Life Church has refused in all of its history to accept the 501c3
status or any other status from the Eternal Revenue Service, has never paid a nickel in
taxes because you cannot tax a religion according to the Constitution.
And they have been taken to court innumerable times, hundreds of times by the federal government
and the Eternal Revenue Service, and they have won every single time that that has happened.
You know, it's real unfortunate that more church organizations don't realize that because
if they did and they got off of that 501c3 status, worked with their constitutional rights,
then they could discuss from the pulpit issues that are facing that congregation.
And political candidates or anything else that they want to discuss, but they cannot
do that now.
That's correct.
That's how the government has taken control of the churches in this country.
Don't go away, folks.
We'll be right back after this pause for the Network Identification.
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You know.
Yes, sir.
It's worse than I thought.
It's happening now.
They tickle you to death.
It's worse than I thought.
Each morning and night, they tickle me to death.
They go to the moon.
They come in late.
Reeking of cheap liquor, they strangle through the day.
Never give a thought to honest work for honest pay.
I know it shouldn't affect me.
I shouldn't take it hard.
I shouldn't blow the caperings with a keenly-dipped regard.
But, look at all the hair.
Oh, look at all these spoons.
An office full of lard.
A factory full of spoons.
It's a shame.
I'm singing.
Singing the blues.
I mean, I don't know.
And it's getting started.
They make personal phone calls, and company times.
They feel like they're waxing, and yet you save the time.
Their bleeding, fevering wounds heal, their insanity is bound.
I long to lure them to my home, and then release the hound.
I shouldn't grow and settle up when states and states rebuke.
I shouldn't let it plague me.
I shouldn't blow a fuse.
But look at all those idiots.
Oh, look at all those fools.
An office full of morons.
A packed place full of fools.
Is it any wonder I'm singing, singing blues?
What happened? Where are the instruments?
I believe they call it the rain-downer.
I can't have any breakdowns here. What if there was an inspector around?
Playing guitar solo.
That was a lot of practice.
I said do it. Go do it, do it, do it!
Never.
Amen.
Thank you for watching.
I thought I had my mojo working.
That man by the cooler drinking water, take it, it's free!
Oh, that's Homer Simpson, sir.
A drone from Sector 17.
Yes, well, call this Simpson to my office and say he wants the funds.
If he speaks on the air, he'll see me two feet when I'm done.
It brings a ray of sunshine to my unhappy life.
Making meals before me, and slowly quench the night And took it all for a kid, who took it all from food
An office full of mora, a factory full of food Chippin' in wire and stinging, stinging spoons
They jump and pray, and around they pray A numbered life pool, an office full of mora
A planet full of food, chippin' in wire Stinging, stinging spoons
Snackin' on candy, snackin' on candy Snackin' on candy, snackin' on candy
I feel like I got a few things off my chest.
Oh yeah.
Well, I'm going to read you some objectives here, and I'm not going to go into any details on them.
I'll let Bob talk about that if he wants to.
And then I'm going to shock you with where this came from.
Objective to make nature the central organizing principle.
Objective to establish a legal regime that will utilize international treaties to control all policies from the international level to the national and local levels.
Objective to make the use of natural resources a cost.
Objective to promote the precautionary principle that scientific evidence is not necessary to implement radical environmental policies.
Objective to inventory natural and human resources.
Objective to make man equal to all other species.
Objective to classify people as the enemy.
Objective to create areas devoid of human presence.
And objective to make nature worship a state religion.
Now I'm going to shock you, ladies and gentlemen.
Where did those come from?
What is the origination of those objectives?
And who do they apply to?
Why do they apply to you, ladies and gentlemen?
That's right.
Because they come from the Convention on Biological Diversity.
A treaty entered into by the President of the United States and ratified by the 103rd Congress First Session Senate.
You can find the entire, the entire text of this treaty in Treaty Documents 103-20.
It is called the Convention on Biological Diversity with Annexes, done at Rio de Janeiro,
June 5, 1992, and signed by the United States and New York on June 4, 1993.
Yeah.
What do you think about that?
You want to comment on that, Bob?
Well, all these years you've been talking to the American people.
About what's going on, what I would suggest that everybody goes out and does immediately.
Go out to Yosemite National Park and look at who owns it.
Take a look at what's going on with the Smoky Mountains.
Go look at the National Park Monument.
and look at what it says there.
What's going on is this treaty is consuming our natural resources, our national parks, and they're stealing our lands away from us right underneath our eyes.
That's what it means when you go to a national park and at the entrance it says the United Nations Biosphere.
Under this treaty, Great portions of our country, our national parks, are being turned over to the United Nations Biosphere Project, and soon there will be zones created all throughout this country and the rest of the countries of the world where human use and habitation is absolutely prohibited.
And that is one of the clear goals that they have outlined and mapped and everything else.
The locations in every state where human beings will be allowed to inhabit and use.
There will be buffer zones where the use of which will be severely restricted.
And then there will be zones where no human use or habitation will be allowed whatsoever.
And you're holding some of those maps in your hands.
Why don't you talk about that, Bob?
Well, I'm looking at the bread belt right through the center of the United States, and
there's about 25 areas for human habitation.
What really got to me about a year ago was people that were losing their ranch lands due to wetlands by the Bureau of Land Management.
And I thought, well, what is going on here?
But now I know what's going on.
Let's define wetlands for a moment.
Because I happen to know exactly what it is.
If you have a piece of land where, when it rains, water stands above the surface of the land without sinking into the land, for 16 days out of the 365 days of the year, that's wetlands.
And if it's wetlands, you can't use it.
Can't develop it.
Can't graze cattle on it.
It's gone.
That's right.
There's ranches up in Montana that their watering holes have been fenced off.
Their cattle cannot graze on there, so these cattle ranches have been put out of business.
The water, they claim, well, it comes from this particular stream and this particular stream we have to control.
So, the organizations that are controlling these have all been formed out of treaties.
And what this biodiversity treaty is all about is turning over our resources and our family farms and so on to the United Nations to establish a new banking system when we fail to make our payment to the Federal Reserve Bank.
All unconstitutional and unlawful, I might add.
And it's through erroneous interpretation of Article VI of the Constitution, which says
that treaties shall become part of the law.
But when our founding fathers wrote the Constitution and wrote Article VI of the Constitution,
they did not mean that...
You see, they set out how the Constitution could be altered, amended, and they're very
specific about that in that document.
They did not intend for treaties to alter or change the supreme law of the land of the
United States of America.
That only can be done by amendment.
Therefore, any treaties entered into must conform to the supreme law of the land, the
Constitution.
And they have succeeded in baffling the American people with bullshit to believe that treaties
actually supersede the Constitution and become of the supreme law of the land, thereby negating
and subverting and destroying the Constitution for the United States of America and eliminating
the protection for our creative endowed rights.
And that's where all of this comes from.
You know, we can take your calls if you want to at 520-333-4222.
We're going to keep on with our little conversation here.
If you want to call and talk about any of these subjects, you're welcome to do that.
In fact, we have somebody calling right now, so let's see what's going on here.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Good evening, Bill.
Bob?
Yes, good evening.
You sound like a pretty level-headed, laid-back, and think-it-out-right type of guy.
Boy, he sure doesn't know you, does he?
Thank you.
I look at the situation with our country, and I think, why and where, how did it happen?
And it takes me back to the Cuban Missile Crisis, when we were totally I think we backed down politically.
as far as civil defense. And the Russians were armed to the T and had the way to shelter
who they wanted to. And like fools we let it happen. But I think that we did not win
that Cuban Missile Crisis. I think we backed down politically. Kennedy might have went
through with the missile launch, but politically they stopped him.
And then afterwards they assassinated him.
And then afterwards they assassinated any politician, any newsman, anybody that got too close to the truth.
They were dead.
And it opened the eyes of the politicians in this country and they said, well, we lost.
We're either red or dead.
And I think they bought it.
And I think that's where this country has been going ever since.
And the people have been hoodwinked and fed a big lie.
About the Constitution and everything and we thought we had these rights but they had no intentions of giving them to us.
We've been and now we come down to the truth and the truth is coming out and uh this all this uh environmental stuff it's a cold war I believe they're going to take over this country by treaty by law and they don't even have to fire a shot but there's people like Bill Cooper and Well, you know, this country is the greatest country in the history of this world.
The government as it's set out.
to take pride in our government anymore and I don't think anybody can take pride in this
government that we have right now.
I sure can't.
Well, you got that right.
Well, you know, this country is the greatest country in the history of this world.
The government as it's set out.
The Constitution is an incredible system.
The problem that we have here is the corruption within.
So what we need to do as we, the people, is we need to get behind and start hitting some of these issues head on.
this biodiversity treaty principally is to create an illusion or to create a crisis situation
in the lieu of war when the Iron Curtain fell or when the Great Wall fell in Germany.
What did you see?
What was this big threat?
What was this big bear behind there?
What did you actually see but a destitute nation, families in despair?
There wasn't any threat.
The threat, we bought it.
So what's going on right now is the elimination of war.
What are they going to do?
What is going to be in its place to control us?
So the new game afoot is the conservation issue.
And so the Biodiversity Treaty is principally there to create a crisis situation with the environment, with the ozone hoax.
Yeah, and man becomes the enemy.
Man is the enemy of the environment, and the environment must be maintained in order to support life on Earth.
And that's the new war.
That's one of the new wars.
Bulls trying to get everybody else to think like a fool.
If the media wasn't controlled, they wouldn't stand a chance.
You know, I think, since you're on the line and other people are listening, is if you would get your hands on this treaty and read it, read the objectives, and if every person or five or ten people in every state would faxes to the newspaper, every newspaper, small, big,
whatever, is the word needs to get out before they steal the rest of our...
Well, don't count on the socialist-owned and controlled newspapers to get it out.
Well, some of them will, but the majority will ignore it.
For instance, the New York Times wouldn't even print a one-line comment in the middle of the auto's for sale page about it.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I think the light has been turned on for the last probably three years and I think William Cooper has done a great job but we have to turn on the flood lights and we have to get it done fast.
We have to get people to realize what kind of government they have and what they're doing and who's behind them.
Why they are doing it.
Well see we have to realize that most of the American people don't have shortwave radios and they're never going to get one.
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We've got to do that.
It brings me to my last question.
I'll let another caller get in.
When the books were being unloaded and you're getting yourself nice and tired,
Vergouzhuang was handling the program.
And I believe I heard him say that the network was switching over to Galaxy 4 Transponder 22 5.8.
Well I will find out from Gary absolutely where we're going and I'll let you know.
I realized I turned over there and I listened and I heard a lot of testing going on he said after midnight yesterday I believe and I was looking.
They were doing a lot of testing and running music with no advertisements for hours on end.
And you know, it's kind of like freaking it in.
And it sounded really great.
If that's where you're going, it sounds like CD quality.
I mean, that'd be a good place to go.
Well, it may be.
And we are going someplace.
That's for sure.
Okay.
I'll let another caller get in.
Okay.
Nice talking to you tonight.
And I'll be sure and let all of you know exactly where we're going, folks.
So don't get panicky.
I'm not going to leave you holding a bag out there.
Thank you for calling.
Number is 520-333-4578.
You know, there are a lot of other scenarios that they're running at the same time.
In case that fails, there's the external threat from space scenario.
There's the life on Mars scenario.
Let's beef up the NASA space program so that we can colonize Mars and all of these things
that are tremendously being wasteful or welfare projects, if you will, that we can see no
immediate gain for anybody, but they take up large sums of money, keep people occupied,
and train people's minds up on a common goal or a common enemy so that they're mobilized
and marching in one direction so that they can be controlled and manipulated.
And one of the best sources of information about these things that I can think of is the report from Iron Mountain, which everybody should read, in my estimation.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yes, Mr. Cooper.
This is Jerry in New Mexico.
Hello, Jerry.
Is the subject matter open?
Sure.
I remember I talked to you a week or so ago about overflights by helicopters.
Uh-huh.
Do you remember that conversation?
Yes, I do, and I got your package of information, and by golly, you're sure thorough in documenting this stuff, I've got to tell you that.
Excellent.
Well, I was just checking to make sure she's got it.
Oh, yes.
I was attending a county commission meeting in Riadosa yesterday, and this subject was brought up, but what I'm mainly interested in getting your opinion on is there was a a training class going on at the same time at the Civic
Center.
And it was a police training class for criminal intelligence analysis.
And it was being conducted by an Air Force enlisted personnel.
Is that the standard procedure nowadays?
As long as they're not actively engaged in the pursuit or apprehension of American citizens
for law enforcement purposes, yes, it's perfectly legal.
It's curious this has been going on here in Alamogordo.
It's not desirable, but it's legal.
Apparently there's a lot of military intelligence cooperation going on.
Well, they're getting ready for the New World Order.
By God, there's going to be a unification of all of these elements into one force eventually.
It'll be like the Nazi Gestapo.
I have one question, if you're willing to answer.
If you want some verification of that, read State Department Publication 7277.
I have it.
It's all in there, my friend.
The question that I had in mind is, if you're willing to share it with us,
do you know anything about John Stadt Miller?
John Stadmiller?
Who is John Stadmiller?
Well, he's Mark Carnegie's sidekick.
Well, I don't know anything about John Stadmiller, but I know a lot about Mr. Carnegie.
Mr. Carnegie is not who he says he is.
He has been buffaloing people for a long, long time.
He originally contacted me through my then-partner, Sam Barrington, in 1989, and informed us that he was an active-duty officer of the Air Force attached to the Air Force Office of Special Investigation, and began feeding us a whole bunch of bullshit, really.
And so I demanded that he furnish proof of his identity and documentation for the stuff that he was sending us.
He assured us that that would be no problem, that he would send us credentials and documentation for what he was sending us, and we never heard from him again.
The next time I heard from Mark Kornke was when I saw a videotape of him, and I forget
the name of it, but it was the first one that he came out with.
And he was then claiming that he was an Army, United States Army G2 intelligence officer
and putting out the same stuff and all kinds of things.
And he has variously proselytized or stolen information from other people, which he has
put out, and then he has put out a lot of stuff that's just absolute pure fantasy, and
has been fueling the fires, trying to instigate a revolution which would hasten the formation
of the New World Order and the destruction of this country.
And that's really what Mark Kornke's all about.
He's a phony, fake liar.
Many people other than myself have demanded that he furnish proof of his identity and
documentation of his stuff, and he has always promised to furnish it and has never furnished
anything.
But the other guy that you're talking about, I don't know anything about him.
Stab Miller had claimed that he's seen his DD-214.
Stab Miller can claim anything he wants to.
I've never seen it, and I've never seen any copy of his service record, which if Mark
Kornke was really who he said he was, he could get a complete copy of his service record
and make that available to any of us that have asked for it.
He has never done it, and I really quite frankly don't give a damn what Mr. Stadmiller has said.
I'm the kind of person, the less I can prove it with my own research, it ain't so.
I heard that and I'm beginning to see the value of that point of view totally.
Good for you.
I have a purpose in reasoning behind the question that I was asking.
I've been in communication with them several times.
I've talked to them over their radio program about these helicopters and everything.
I've got a problem with them.
Good for you.
You're beginning to catch on.
Just blind faith believing.
Well, I'll let the next fellow call in, and I sure do appreciate this program and your sharing with us your friendship in this.
Thank you.
God bless.
Thank you for calling.
God bless you, my friend.
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What do you think about that?
Have you had any dealings with Quarantine or this guy, Stan Miller, whom I really don't know anything about?
No, not at all.
I know you do travel around the country.
You know, I haven't run into those guys.
But as far as the black helicopters, I was out in Shreveport.
They're real.
Oh yeah.
And there was about five or six of them sitting on a tarmac at the airport.
And I asked one of the chaps out there, I said, what are those helicopters there for?
He says, oh, that's for the goat growers out here.
And I said, yeah, with missiles on them and machine guns for goat growers.
And the forward-looking infrared.
Yeah.
And then there's the big convention at Polk Military Base with many, many U.N.
vehicles going in prior to the Olympics.
The Eastern Bloc and Russian troops.
Training and joint operations with the United States military force, which are all really United Nations forces.
Right, right.
But see with this treaty now, with this biodiversity treaty, and with the UN in temporary control of our national parks, now we have a lot of acreage for these chaps to stage their equipment and get ready for the Are you trying to tell me, Bob, that the highest echelon of the military officers of all four of the military services of the United States of America are participating in treason and are blatantly disregarding their oath to protect and defend the Constitution for the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic?
I don't think all of them are.
Question mark?
I don't think all of them are.
Then why are they doing this?
Well, there's... There's blight and disregard of the law and the Constitution.
There's a bunch of them.
There's a bunch of them in there, but I don't think all of them are.
And I think that there's probably... I don't hear any of them protesting.
No, I don't either.
I don't hear them putting their career on the line.
I don't see them bailing out, saying, I'm not going to participate in this.
Well, wouldn't it be wonderful if there were some things going on that you and I and the rest of the country I don't know yet.
Maybe there is some of the armed services there that when they took that oath to protect and defend their country.
There are.
But we're not going to go into that.
So there are.
But the majority of the commanding officers in the military services are blatantly in violation of their oath and are actively engaged in committing treason against this country.
They know where this is all going.
And I know that they know because I saw the documentation when I was on the Admiral's Briefing Team at St.
Patrick's.
And that's why I didn't fulfill my desire, which was to serve my country in the military for 30 years and then retire.
That was what I was in the process of doing.
When I discovered what they were really in the process of bringing about, I couldn't stay anymore.
I left.
And I spent the rest of my life But you're still serving that obligation.
Oh yeah, but now I'm really serving.
I'm not being deluded by anybody and I'm not deluding myself.
I'm really serving my country now.
But you know the strangest thing about that is when I was sent to Vietnam, everybody was applauding and saying, you're a great patriot, you know, go over and serve your country.
And that was before they started spitting on us and all this kind of stuff.
And nobody cared if I got killed.
Now that I'm here in my country, fighting for my country, really doing the proper thing, the right thing, everybody says, you're going to get killed.
You better stop doing that.
This is dangerous.
I'd like to support you, but I'm afraid I'll get on somebody's list.
What's that all about, Bob?
I'll pat their sons and daughters in the ass, send them over to die in the desert, in a desert storm.
They sent their sons and daughters over to Vietnam to die and some God-forsaken way for
a while.
And now the people want to stand up and fight for their country here.
Everybody says, oh, you might get killed.
Nobody grabbed those people out of line before they got on a ship or on an airplane going
to Desert Storm and said, hey, you better think about this.
This is really dangerous.
You might get killed.
Well, I'll tell you, if the American people don't hurry up and wake up and get behind
networking and doing something about this, they're all going to get killed.
It's going to hit them right straight in the face.
So if you people out there want to be informed... Socialism is not kind to its victims.
No.
It never has been.
Get a copy of this Biodiversity Treaty and get it out.
Because as they keep confiscating more and more of our lands and our farmlands, it's just slipping away right underneath us.
The five minute warning went off and nobody heard it.
Yeah, and it's real easy to lose this stuff.
It's going to be really difficult to get it back.
Because they're not going to want to give it up.
And remember, what Mao Zedong say, or Mao Zedong as some people say, You can pronounce it any way you want, folks.
He was that big communist bad guy that we all believed was the big bugaboo that created communist China.
Well, he wasn't all wrong, because he said at least one thing that I know of that's absolutely true, and you can hang your hat on it, take it to the bank, and you better bet on it and believe it.
All power emanates from the barrel of a gun.
He who has no gun has no power.
Don't ever give up your guns under any pretext whatsoever.
Form militias or join a militia.
Get behind freedom.
Get behind the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Resist tyranny at all costs.
He who is not willing to die for what they believe in or for what they value will not long have it.
And that's the only thing they're really afraid of.
It's people who have no fear, who are willing to die for what they believe is right.
You know, what was the percentage of people that... Somewhere between 3 and 5.
You're talking about the revolutionary world?
Yeah.
Somewhere between 3 and 5%.
I think the real figure is about 3.5% or 3.8% of the people who lived in the colonies at
that time actually participated in the overthrow of the European regime under King George and
fought the revolution that created this nation.
The rest of the people were either pro-King George or really didn't give a damn and didn't
participate.
They just said, you go ahead and you fight it and I'm behind you.
So I guess what we need now is 10% of the population to do something.
And all the sheep out there that still have your head in the dark, keep it there.
That's where it belongs.
Read Bear's House.
Read the sheeple cartoon.
That may cause you to look in the mirror at yourself a little differently from now on.
Did I really say that?
Well, where do we go from here, Robert?
Mr. Swarm?
Well, let's see.
What are the solutions?
What do you feel the solutions are, Bill?
In other words, there's a lot of people out there that talk about all of the problems.
I know the solution.
It's just not propitious time to execute that solution yet.
I believe that everybody should act in a legal and lawful manner, to do everything that they
can peacefully within the system, to bring about an awakening and a return to constitutional
Republican government, and to take the corruption out of the political and legal system, because
there is no justice in the courts today.
And there is not a politician that I can identify who's not just a bare-faced liar who has another
agenda other than what he's telling us.
And aside from that, I believe sincerely that everybody must prepare themselves spiritually,
physically, and materially to fight a guerrilla warfare for anywhere between 10 and 20 years,
because that's how long it's going to take once it begins.
I don't think that any of us want it.
We don't seek it.
Certainly I have done everything that I can in my life to wake up enough people to where there would be a consensus of opinion where it didn't have to happen.
But I'm now firmly convinced that they're going to force us up against the wall in a
series of acts that are just despicable.
And they're going to bring overwhelming force against certain minority religions and groups
like they did the Branch Davidians and the Weaver family.
And that could happen to me very soon because of this action that they're trying to take
against me down in Phoenix.
And eventually the American people are going to realize that the only way that they're
going to restore Republican government and save their freedoms is to fight for them and
reclaim them.
The very basic tenet in common law is that you're not entitled to any rights or privileges
that you do not claim and are not willing to defend.
And that's the truth.
Well, what we need to do is get out there and get our churches informed about their
5013C status and start working in the communities, families and so on, and have weekly meetings
or prayer groups, if you would, and go to city council meetings and vote and do everything
that you possibly can to put patriots in office. And I'm not talking about religious fanatics,
I'm talking about patriots who really understand and value freedom for all peoples of all religions,
of all ancestral origins, and stop buying into this Hegelian dialectic bullshit that
we all have to hate each other and kill each other because that's not true.
There is a common denominator.
There is something that we all appreciate and love, and that's freedom.
Good evening.
You're on the air, if you're still there.
Yes, Bill.
It's Pete.
How are you doing, Bob?
Hey, Pete.
How are you?
Pretty good.
I got my satellite receiver back, so I was going through a draw, but I couldn't hear Bill for a moment.
Oh, well, that's wonderful.
Last time I talked to you, you were in the process of doing that.
It's good hearing your voice in this medium.
Are you listening to the broadcast today?
Yeah, I walked out to my front porch.
You wouldn't yell at me for hearing the delay, though.
No.
Anyway, I was talking to some people a lot of time, almost every day, about this stuff and what's going on in the world.
One thing I'm not really clear on, now, Bob Dole, Jack Kemp, I know they're both Freemasons, but I thought they were Eastern Establishment, isn't that right?
Bob Dole is not Eastern Establishment.
He's a Kansas puppet.
Oh, but Kemp is, though, isn't he?
Kemp, I believe, is, yeah.
Bob Dole is a Kansas puppet.
He is a liar.
He is a betrayer.
Can you imagine?
This is the guy that promised us that he would make sure that NAFTA never passed, that he assured us that it would never, ever pass the Senate.
And what did we see?
We saw him standing next to Clinton with a big smile on his face as they announced the agreement with the majority of the Senate to pass NAFTA.
And then the next was GATT.
He assured us GATT would not pass.
GATT was detrimental to the American people.
And he did the same thing.
And you go back through his history, you'll find he's done it all the way.
You know who introduced the counter-terrorism bill that was passed after the bombing of
the Oklahoma City Mural Federal Building?
You know who introduced it and was the sponsor?
Bob Dole.
You know who promised us that he would repeal the assault weapons ban and who has not done
it, not even introduced it and says he's not going to?
Bob Dole.
You know who introduced the counter-terrorism bill that was passed after the bombing of
I can't figure that guy out, because you hear he goes twice in a war, which was... Bob Dole doesn't give a damn about this country or the Constitution.
Bob Dole has sold us out a long time ago.
Bob Dole is a traitor.
He is a habitual liar.
And then, at the Republican National Convention, he got up and made this glorious speech promising us everything that he knew we wanted to hear.
And then he said, and I'm going to do away with this World Trade Organization because it's destroying America, it's detrimental to America, and it's impinging upon our sovereignty, and we're going to get rid of it.
Guess what?
Bob Dole is the one who is responsible for the World Trade Organization.
Yes, that's true.
That's what I always tell the people I talk to.
So, if you want to vote for Bob Dole, you know what you're doing, don't you?
Well, so Bob Dole, then, is a Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction guy, then.
Yeah, 33rd degree.
Okay.
I know that the other two that are in there now are.
So the word still is that Clinton should be re-elected, though, from what you have heard?
I've got to tell you right now, there is nothing that I can see that is going to stop Bill Clinton from a second term.
In a way, that's... It's going to take a miracle of some kind.
You know, it could happen.
Somebody could beat him.
Dole would be worse.
Dole is a Nazi.
Dole would be a tremendously dangerous president.
He's a Nazi.
You better believe it.
See, we have a choice between a Communist and a Nazi.
You take your choice.
You pick the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil.
I don't care how you look at it.
In this election, you've got to throw your vote somewhere else or throw it away.
You cannot justify voting for the lesser of two evils because a vote for evil is still a vote for evil whether it's lesser or greater.
Yeah, I just tell people to concentrate on their congressional races really because I think it's kind of useless to vote for president either way.
Well, yeah, we don't pick the candidates.
They're given to us.
They're chosen by the powers that be so that it doesn't matter who wins.
You see, it's never mattered in recent times Whether a Republican or a Democrat has been in the White House, you know, all this posturing and pretended infighting notwithstanding, the truth is, there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two.
They're both leading us to a new world order.
The Republicans are more fascist and Nazi in their methods, and the Democrats are more communist in their methods.
Yeah, now the Republican Party, I thought they were aligned with English Freemasonry.
That's absolutely correct.
When's the last time you've been to England?
Pardon me?
When's the last time you've been to England?
About ten years ago.
Do you think that that's a free country?
Oh no.
No, it's a socialist country where they don't even have a Bill of Rights and wouldn't even think of If anybody in England got on the air and said the things that I say on this broadcast in England, they'd be in prison for the rest of their life.
Probably Canada too, isn't that right?
Canada, you better bet your life.
I heard of a guy there, he was a comedian, and he just had a funny thing about the Prime Minister on the air.
Yeah, all he did was make fun of a politician and went to jail.
That's right.
Of course, somebody right here in Chicago, we had Pope Clinton, he sucked, and I think there's... They went to jail.
There is, I don't know if they're still in jail.
Well, they're not, but they went to jail.
Now, what does that tell you about where this country's going?
Well, you're preaching to the choir, so... Yeah.
Anyway, it's nice to hear you again.
Well, you see, I don't care if I go to jail.
I'm going to do what's right.
President Clinton, you suck.
You hear me?
President Clinton, you suck.
Well, I'm going to try and string up my FM transmitter on my roof tomorrow.
I'm trying not to fall off the thing.
Not only that, President Clinton, you're a communist.
You suck.
Yeah, I wish you could tell the listening audience here when you were a pilot and actually flew drugs with the armed escort.
Man, I was really a BSer when I was talking to you.
the window is getting ready to jump out.
Boy, it's good hearing your voice there, Pete.
Yeah, I wish you could tell the listening audience here when you were a pilot and actually
flew drugs with the armed escort.
Man, I was really a BSer when I was talking to you.
Well, you know, it's just you got to be careful what you say to old Swan here because I remember
it all.
Anyway, that was another story.
Uh...
But you're sounding good.
Okay, well, I'll be talking to you later.
Okay, Pete.
Take care.
Thanks for calling.
Yep, thanks.
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Boy, you know, sometimes I give people heart attacks.
Anita Post, I have no fear.
We must do the right thing no matter the cost because if freedom, you know, if none of it
is worth dying for, then we're never going to have it.
And that's the truth.
And if you think patting your sons and daughters on the ass and sending them off to die in
Kuwait is something glorious, but it's not glorious to stand up and risk dying here for
freedom for our country, then you're going to get what you deserve.
And what you deserve is to be in chains.
And that's the truth.
You know, I know you made the same promises to your kids when they were born, but I distinctly
remember when both of my sons were born that I looked at them, and I'm sure everybody out
there that's listening right now made the same promise to that newborn.
That you would do everything in your power to protect that child.
And you'd do everything in your power to make sure that that child had a better life than you.
Or at least a life that's just as good.
Right.
So, our responsibility is, I feel, it's not for this generation, it's for the next generation.
Yeah, because even if we're successful, It's going to take the rest of our lifetime to see the results of that success.
That's right.
But at least when I leave, I'll know that I did the best that I could do to help out this country and protect my family.
Yeah, and you can hold your chin up and you can look the gatekeeper right in the eye and say, I've done my best.
Let me in.
What's the judgment?
That's right.
And there will be a judgment, folks.
If you're not on the right side, I'm afraid you're not going to get in.
You know, wherever it is that you want to get in.
I want to go where Bob's going.
I know where he's going, so... Oh, wow.
You know, I've just... It's been a long day.
It has been a long day.
We've covered a lot of ground over here today.
It's nice spending all those hours with you and realizing what's going on.
I always love the book today.
What do you think of the book?
Oh yeah, the book is fantastic.
The day one, the Oklahoma City bombing, incredible.
Absolutely, the cover is astounding.
It's black with a rose and a fire underneath the rose and no title.
And you look at it and you have to pick it up.
I started reading it after our conversation.
Everybody should have it.
Yeah, actually you should buy copies for your senators and your state representatives and your governor of your state, your local sheriff and your police chief.
Because these are people that need to read that book.
Not just you, not just your neighbor, but the important people that make the decisions in this country.
Because a lot of them are being controlled by powerful forces and they really don't know how they're being used.
They don't understand what's going on.
Believe me, the guy that you sent to Congress that was old dippity-doo-dah Ford dealer down the street, you know, that you sent to Congress, just because you sent him to Congress doesn't make him any smarter than he was before he left, folks.
He's the same old dippity-doo-dah Ford dealer, except he's in Washington and now he's a legislation dealer.
So buy him a book.
Make sure that it gets put in his hands and not in the hands of one of his advisors who might just throw it in the trash can.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Good evening, Bill.
I am a micro-broadcaster.
You're on the air with me in Charleston, South Carolina.
Wonderful.
How much area does your broadcast cover?
Oh, a couple three miles.
Oh, that's fantastic.
At the moment.
What happened?
I called to kind of share the story.
Somebody is irritated with me and they complained and I got a letter from the FCC.
Uh huh.
Address to resident.
And today I sent off a... Address to resident?
Yes.
What you should do is send it back saying no such person at this address.
Well... Unless your name is resident you have to do that.
Fortunately I signed for it so I got it.
Doesn't matter.
Say sign for it by mistake.
I did not read the address.
No such person at this address and send it back to them.
I'm serious.
I've responded to them with a few cites and what not.
Well, if you've already done that, then okay.
But remember, if you get a letter that's not specifically addressed to you, don't ever accept it.
Well, there were other possibilities that I did not particularly want to endure, which were like the sheriff serving it or something like that.
So I went ahead and responded to them.
I think it's a pretty strong response.
Good.
I can probably put it in my fax and send it to you if you're interested in seeing it.
Yes, please do.
And I'll send you some other stuff that might help you out.
We've done this before for low power broadcasters that they harass.
We don't want to go away simply by some intimidation, so we won't.
Good for you.
And we just want to thank you for being there, Bill.
Well, thank you for being there, and thank you for taking your proper stand and not being afraid and not being intimidated, because that's usually the only weapon they have to use against us.
And if you know the law and you understand the Constitution and the proper venue and
jurisdiction, there's not a thing that they can do to you unless you're broadcasting across
the state line, across an international boundary, or across a large body of water where a ship
at sea can receive your broadcast.
And if your broadcast is low power FM, that ain't going to happen.
They cited the FCC Act 1934, Section 301.
And the only thing I could find in there that even pertained to it was that there's an amendment
in 1982 that said you can't broadcast from a point within a state to a point within a
state to another point within the same state.
And that's just ridiculous.
The other three things, the interstate and the relations to commerce and the interference
and all the other stuff, have obviously...
Remember that the only power that the federal government has over anybody within a state
deals with interstate commerce.
Right.
All other power reverts to the state or to the people.
So if you're not engaged in interstate commerce, if you're not broadcasting across state lines
or international boundaries, then you're okay.
You have to look for state legislation or state laws governing you.
If there are none, then the power falls to the people, which is you, and you're free to do whatever you want, as long as you're not interfering with the rights or property of anybody else.
That's my position.
Then you're right on target, my friend.
OK, Bill.
I thank you very much, and good evening.
Good evening to you.
And by golly, that's it, folks.
Good night and God bless each and every single one of you.
Good night.
God bless you.
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