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June 18, 1993 - Bill Cooper
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Ron Regehr interview
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Folks, tonight I'm sitting in a beautiful, elegant suite at the Disneyland Hotel in Anaheim, California.
Not because I paid for this suite, mind you, nor that I could even afford it.
But after speaking at the Los Angeles Airport Pride Hotel at UFO Expo West.
We decided to take our three-year-old daughter, Pooh, to Disneyland because she's never been.
And she's at the age now where she would really enjoy it and remember it for many, many years.
So when we checked into the Disneyland Hotel, they made a mistake and gave us a room.
And when we got to the room, we found out that there was no one there.
It didn't look like anyone had been there until we opened the closet and found that it was full of luggage.
So the Disneyland Hotel, to make up for their mistake, very kindly gave us this beautiful suite for two days and two nights while we're here.
And we've invited a couple up who are old friends of ours.
One member of this couple, the male member, Ron Regeer, is a researcher like I am, always
digging, always reading, always looking for answers to all of the mysteries and the puzzles
that tend to grab our attention and baffle us and make us scratch our head and ask why
this is or this isn't.
And I've asked him to be our guest tonight because in the years that he has grappled
with these puzzles and these problems, he's come up with some of his own answers.
And he never fails, at least once a month, to send me a huge package, at least two inches
thick, of information that he has dug up since I received the preceding package.
Ron, I want to welcome you to the Hour of the Time tonight, and I'd like you to introduce
Who are you?
What do you do?
How long have you been doing this?
And tell us a little bit about your efforts to get to the bottom of some of the greatest questions of our time, if you will.
Well, thank you, Bill.
I really don't know where to start, other than I'm a 50-year-old, frustrated American who's been relatively disgusted with the way things have gone in the last 20 years or so.
Things have taken a turn for the worse, and instead of expecting my children to live a better life, I've found that odds are that they're going to be struggling just to make it through even the next few years.
So what I did was I started to try to find out why and what's going on.
And I met Bill and we exchanged some ideas, but we don't get to see each other that often.
And what I've found is that we've been Systematically destroyed from within, and I don't know how to prove it.
I know Bill's got a better handle on that, but I just feel frustrated.
So to do what I could, I bought some property out of state.
I live in California.
I developed my own business, and hopefully we'll have enough there to sustain us through the hard times that are coming.
I'm an aerospace engineer, and Campground owner.
And I take a lot more pride in being a campground owner.
Than you do an aerospace engineer.
Yeah.
We're a dying breed now.
But you've seen some tremendous accomplishments during your career as an aerospace engineer.
Why don't you tell us about some of these projects and things that you've helped participate in and some of the technology that's absolutely amazing that you've helped bring into the world.
I started working for McDonnell Douglas, this was 30 years ago, building the Saturn-Apollo Moon rocket.
And it was just amazing, the complexity then, which at the time was really just baffling, and now it's almost truly simplistic in many ways.
I was fortunate to be chosen to do the design specifications for the Skylab, we call it the Orbital Workshop.
It was originally designed to use the Saturn IV stage, launch it wet, reach orbit, vent out the liquid hydrogen fuel and liquid oxygen oxidizer, and then make a comfortable living.
You said launch it wet.
What does that mean?
That means with fuel.
Okay.
And then we'd dump the fuel overboard when we got out into orbit, and then Leave the vents open, which would evaporate the fuel, which was just hydrogen and oxygen, so they didn't have any caustic chemicals, and then move in the boxes of food and other equipment and sustain life for a period of time.
And it turns out that we had a sufficiently good rocket from Venn North American that we were able to launch it dry.
That is, build the whole workshop on the ground and not use it for a fuel tank.
And then that gave us more experimental space.
So you may remember about, oh, I guess it was 20 years ago when we had the Skylab go up, and it was only able to deploy the left wing, which kind of disturbed all of us.
We had two wings for solar panels for power.
Yes, I did raise quite a snake in a public uproar, and everybody had their eyes on that for a while.
But really, in the complexity and all the problems that you had in getting the Skylab up there, that seems to me to be probably one of the least worries that you had, but was the one that probably brought more public attention to what was going on than anything else.
What was the final solution?
When did you get a feeling, Ron, that something was wrong in this country?
How did that come about?
enough power to drive the refrigeration system and just use that for a big awning.
And then shorten the lifespan of the mission, but still accomplish quite a bit.
It was our, really our first space station.
And since that time, we've had no other space station.
When did you get a feeling, Ron, that something was wrong in this country?
How did that come about?
I mean, here you are, an aerospace engineer working for one of the, the, the, the premier
or premium company you might say, having to do with aerospace.
And you've had a pretty good life, you've had a pretty secure job with that company
and if everything went as you've been told all your life, then you should have a pretty good future.
What happened to make you realize that that's not really the way things work?
Well Bill, you'd probably be surprised, I've never even hinted at this,
but I didn't think things were right when in 1957 October, I'm not remembering the date,
the Soviets launched Sputnik.
And it dawned on me then that I'd been lied to.
That if we really were the greatest nation on Earth, that we would have launched the first satellite.
Now maybe it was a childish arrogance of youth to believe that.
But that's what got me started.
That if we really were the best, we would have been up first.
And that was the Currently, the goal of the whole space program is to instill that feeling.
However, it happened to be true.
At least for me.
We were beat by what we had been told was a second-rate power.
And we know, scientifically, by what we know that the Soviets could do and couldn't do, as far as technology is concerned, even today, they cannot manufacture a computer microchip.
Not without copying the design from us.
So, we know that, and didn't you ever think that it was very strange that everything that the Soviets did looked like something that we had already done, or paralleled exactly what we had already done, except for maybe curing it as far as they did, like putting a man into space.
I mean, we had already done all these things.
The only thing that they did is they took And I forget what we called it, but we had this tremendous, giant rocket propulsion vehicle that we had never really used.
And the Soviets took and put two of these together and called it a Soyuz and started putting things into space.
And didn't that bother you?
I mean, didn't you begin to wonder how in the world This second rate nation, and if the truth be known, technologically they were actually third or fourth rate.
How could they do this without help from those who had the technology?
Well, later on I found out, I forget where the publication was, but it was a Major Jordan, who was an officer in the Army Air Corps, and I think it was North Dakota who was responsible for checking the bill of lading on aircraft.
And he kept a journal, and part of his journal was all of this defense material, all of this top secret that was being shipped to the Soviets across the North Pole.
And I don't remember what publication it was or where I read it, but it sticks vividly in my mind that that was happening at the end of World War II and shortly thereafter.
That we were supplying our military secrets to the Soviet Union.
I found this out in my own research.
I found out the reason and the plan of the people who are bringing all of this about was that the world would always be on parity, and there would never, ever again be any major wars unless they planned them.
In other words, everybody would be at a standoff, and then a lot of small wars would be fought
in order to keep the public's attention deviated from what the real world was really like and
what was really going on, to deplete specific populations and to extract from the public
of all countries of the world vast amounts of money in order to repair the technology
that would rule these people in the future New World Order.
And part of this was the guise of the Cold War between the United States and the Soviet
Union.
It's absolutely unbelievable that during all of that time that the Soviet Union and the
United States were supposed enemies, that we never fought each other, not even once.
But we had all these wars by surrogate.
In other words, we were always supposedly fighting the Soviet Union, but it was always being done in some poor, innocent little third world country who really Didn't want anything to do with any of it to begin with.
I think the psychological term now with the good cycle battle we have is lets you and him fight.
That's right.
So you had those suspicions early on.
One of the things I did was I took Russian in high school because I was the optimist who believed that the Russians would be our enemies.
People said that pessimists study Chinese.
I don't know if that's still true or not.
They keep telling us everybody's our friend now.
But to just comment on what you were saying about the Soviet technology, I found out the Russian word for truck is truck, yet they claim to have invented it.
We know that the largest truck manufacturing plant in the Soviet Union, which not only
manufactures trucks but tanks, is the Commer River Facility, which was actually pushed,
promoted, whatever you want to say, by William Casey when he was the head of the...oh gosh,
I forgot the name of the agency. Anyway, he was the head of the agency that was supposed
to promote trade between the United States and the rest of the world.
Is that the Agency for International Development?
That's right, Agency for International Development.
William Casey was the head of that agency.
He promoted, he rounded up the financing for the Commer River Trucks factory in the Soviet
Union and all of the trucks and most of the tanks that exist now in the Soviet Army, or
what used to be the Soviet Army, which is now a whole bunch of different armies, but
strangely enough, still the command structure is still in place.
They are not disarming.
They have not disbanded anything.
They have not dismantled any nuclear weapons.
They have not dismantled any missiles.
There has not been any chaos when the Soviet Union fell apart as far as the armed forces
were concerned, because to tell you the truth, the Soviet Union, as far as the armed forces
are concerned, is still intact completely and has not fallen apart at all.
But all of their trucks, heavy rolling stock equipment and tanks are now built at the largest
manufacturing plant in the world for trucks and heavy rolling stock equipment, which is
the Commer River plant.
And William Casey went on to be the head of the Central Intelligence Agency and ended
up dying at a crucial moment when he was being subpoenaed to testify in front of Congress
about the Iran-Contra affair.
And many of us who come from the intelligence community believe that rather than go into
Congress and tell the truth, that he chose to commit suicide.
And now, I'm not saying that that's what he did.
That's totally not the way the record reflects.
But let me say from experience that those of us who have been in intelligence for a
good portion of our lives feel wholeheartedly, 100 percent, that William Casey gave up the
ghost rather than go in to sit down at the table in front of the Congressional Investigating
Committee and ask questions.
As his wife has publicly stated, if he had done so, he would have told the truth, which tells me he either committed suicide or somebody killed him to prevent that from happening.
He was a Knight of Malta.
We have recently believed he may have been a Knight Templar.
He was, in fact, he had to have been a Knight Templar because while Bill Donovan There's been many things written about the original Office of Strategic Services of the OSS, from which the entire umbrella of national security in the intelligence community originally sprang, would not take anyone, and no one existed in the OSS who was not a Knights Templar.
This is on public record.
Since we know that William Casey was a member of the OSS, he had to have been a Knights Templar, and we know also from the membership rolls that he was a member of the Knights of Malta.
I never knew that.
You didn't know that?
No, I didn't know that.
But you see, here we have...
Complicity at the highest levels of the intelligence community to create a factory in the Soviet Union which rolled out the largest numbers of trucks and tanks of any factory built upon the face of this earth.
In fact, statistics confirm that the Common River Truck Factory could actually manufacture more trucks and tanks in one year's period of time.
Then all the manufacturing capability of the United States of America for rolling stock manufacturing.
Where did the financing come from?
The financing came from the citizens of the United States of America and from grants and loans provided by the United States government for the Agency for International Development.
And the American people, by and large, don't know this.
I wrote about it in my book, Behold a Pair of Horses.
Other people have written about it in their books.
That they wrote, other people who came out of the intelligence community and knew about this and understood the importance of it.
But by and large, I would say that 99.9% of all Americans never heard of it, don't know anything about it.
And at that time, in the height of the Cold War, when this occurred, it's tantamount to treason.
Was that the fact that it was one under the guise of Fiat Motors in Italy?
I think Fiat had something to do with it initially.
It never really went under the guise of anything.
I mean, it was what it was.
I was thinking maybe that was a cover that they were using for the initial development.
It's fuzzy.
You've had some experience with the intelligence community in your work.
You mean the four security investigations and four fingerprintings in one year?
Sure.
Tell us about that.
This was, oh, I guess about four years ago.
I had received, along with Lee Graham, copies of the MJ-12 papers and copies of the code name and code word and proper numerical designation for the stealth fighter.
We'd all gone along thinking it was the F-19.
And that was long before anyone should have known anything about it.
But for the benefit of our listeners who may not know, they all know what the stealth fighter is, but they may not know anything about the MJ-12 documents.
What were those?
Those were a group of, let's see, I think it was nine sheets of paper, ostensibly prepared by the director of the CIA, Admiral Helen Conard, to brief the President-elect Dwight David Eisenhower on the Crash, subsequent recovery, and disposition of the remains of a UFO that crashed in New Mexico.
Which was purported to have contained extraterrestrial bodily remains.
Correct.
Biological matter and technology way beyond what we were capable of producing at that time.
And because of that, Truman was ostensibly prepared the An executive order that doesn't fit any known sequence of executive order numbering systems, which is simply the date, and formed this committee to investigate this phenomenon.
And we had none of the documentation supporting it, just the original briefing document.
And where did these things come from?
Well, it's a convoluted story.
We got them from Bill Moore.
Who supposedly got them in a, get this folks, plain brown paper wrapper from Albuquerque, New Mexico, although we didn't find that out because he wouldn't stay for about four years.
Isn't it funny that it began and ended in Albuquerque, New Mexico?
Yeah, it's another life's coincidence.
Supposedly it was sent to him from Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Actually, to Jamie Shandoray, isn't that right?
That's correct.
Jamie Shandoray is a nefarious folk called the Hollywood producer, which in Hollywood, depending upon whose name comes up when you say producer, really depends upon what that word producer means, but Jamie Shandoray has had a past history which is shaded by all kinds of things that bring up To mind Cloak and Dagger, films that sometimes you wonder why these things were produced and who they were aimed at.
But anyway, here's Jamie Chandler, a Hollywood producer, mixed up with a guy named William Moore, who used to be a school teacher, where?
Minnesota.
In Minnesota.
And all of a sudden he's there in the Hollywood Burbank area.
And somebody else is mixed in with this.
Stanton Friedman.
Stanton T. Friedman, who is billed as a nuclear physicist, but hasn't done any work in nuclear physics in over 20 years, and has only a bachelor's degree.
Now, how does all this fit together?
I don't think it does.
I don't think it does either.
This is where it came from.
Supposedly, J. E. Chandler got this undeveloped film, and before he developed it, he had some, I guess you'd have to say, foreknowledge that it must be important.
So before getting it processed, he calls Bill Moore.
Bill Moore then believes it must be terribly important, so they take it down and process it themselves.
I wonder how they knew it was exposed?
I haven't got the slightest idea.
In other words, if you get a roll of film in the mail, is it exposed or is it not exposed?
How do you know it's not a friend sending you a roll of film for your camera?
I don't have friends that mail me things in double wrapped round paper bags, but I know what she's getting at.
But then instead of sending it to a commercial photo lab, which most of us would do, they decided, took it upon themselves to process it in their own lab.
They had a photo lab?
Ostensibly.
And instead of sending it to a commercial lab, did it themselves.
So, here are some people who have no expertise in photography, and no degrees in photography, The closest anyone even comes to photography is Jamie Chandler, who's a motion picture producer, which, believe me, folks, has nothing to do with the processing of photographic film, imagery of any type.
They decide in their own laboratory—has anybody ever seen this laboratory besides them?
I haven't.
I've never heard of anyone who saw it besides them.
In fact, until tonight, I didn't know they did it in their own laboratory.
And I would have questioned, I would have asked to see that laboratory right off the bat.
Where is your laboratory?
How did you do this?
How did you know how to process the film?
If none of you have any kind of education or degrees in photography, what made you think you could even begin to process this film and come out with anything of value?
And if you thought it was important, how dare you do this?
You should have entrusted this to someone who knew what they were doing.
But what came out of this film?
Nine sheets of paper, repeated, so 18 exposures in all, which formed the... The exposures were the photographs of the MJ-12 document.
And the... The briefing document of Admiral Hillenkamp, or President-elect Eisenhower.
And you've already described what those documents were.
All right.
So, what happened is, somehow they came into your possession.
Did you get these directly from William Morris?
Did he send these documents?
He gave them to Lee Graham.
And we got copies and essentially made photocopies and distributed them throughout many in the UFO community.
Took copies down to security at our plant.
Got the remark, top secret, magic eyes only.
Now, at the same time, another exact set of these documents surfaced in England that were
supposedly passed to a man named Timothy Good, who plays the violin for the London Philharmonic,
by a central intelligence agency operative.
Is that correct?
He's got an American intelligence agent, if I'm remembering right.
Okay.
Okay.
I'll give him that leeway.
I think I did hear him say C.I.A.
at one time, but it doesn't make any difference.
Who else is there?
Who else is there?
That's right.
And if this was leaked by undeveloped film to Jamie Chandering, given in the form of documents to Timothy Goode in England at the same time, This is no accidental leak.
This isn't somebody who's disgruntled with the CIA, snapping some photographs and sending them off to William Moore, Jamie Shannon, Ray Stanton Friedman.
Don't wave Stanton Friedman out, because he thinks he's escaped from the implications of this, and I can assure him that he is not.
But this is an indication that somebody planned this double leak at the same time, because It was leaked in two different forms to two different people, halfway around the world.
And again, you and I, and most of America, doesn't believe in this kind of a coincidence.
That's correct.
Okay, folks, we've got to take a break.
Don't go away.
We'll be right back after this very short pause.
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Now, let's get back to our special guest tonight, Ron Regeer.
We were talking about these supposedly top-secret documents that were leaked by this research team of Stanton T. Friedman, William Moore, and Jamie Chandure, three nefarious characters who were highly respected in the research arena until later when all of this That's correct.
But let's continue now where these papers were leaked or given to or passed to you,
Ron, and another friend of yours, Lee Graham.
That's correct.
At your place of employment.
That's correct.
And we took copies to security because they're marked top secret.
They were marked top secret, the copies that they gave to you.
Top secret, magic eyes only.
So you took them directly to your security personnel, which is the right thing to do.
Didn't happen.
Believe it or not, they ran a copy on an unclassified machine.
The security people?
The security people did.
But they make the rules, they can break the rules.
They ran a copy for themselves and said they'd look into it, gave us back the copies, and we went on our way.
I sent them out amongst the different people in the community to see what the response was.
One of the things we heard was a friend of ours had another friend who had worked in the Air Force at a listening station in Sinop, Turkey.
And at that listening station, whenever they were there to track the launch of Soviet missiles using the long-range radars there across the Black Sea, And what they did was, if they got a radar return that didn't correlate to any known air traffic or Soviet traffic, they would send those tapes back to a group in Texas called the MJ-12 group.
So we were of the belief that this was maybe a valid tie-in.
So we wanted to make sure this individual in San Diego got a copy of these documents.
So that's one of the reasons we sent them out.
We spent, I would say, $100 easily on postage.
Shipping them through any place you could think of.
Leaving copies at air bases and air shows with the guards.
About any place you could think of.
Lawrence Livermore Lab, Edwards Air Force Base during the big air show.
Really shake up an AP two-striper if you hand him a top-secret document and say, is this legitimate?
You get all kinds of reactions.
Pull it forward.
You're lucky you weren't all rounded up and thrown in the hooscow while somebody figured out what you had and why you had it and whether or not it really was top-secret.
Well, they did give us the Air Force equivalent of don't leave town before sundown.
What happened?
Tell us about that.
Well, in every instance, we would take the documents, rush off, and then pretty soon a harried-looking lieutenant would step up and ask us where we got them.
Where do all these lieutenants come from?
They must have a special school to stamp them out like gingerbread cookies.
And we'd tell the whole story, and they'd take copies, seize the copies, and then we'd be free to go, which is what we wanted to do, was get them in the hands of Someone who could either refute or verify them.
Sent copies to the NSA, NSC, FBI, CIA.
But what's interesting is nobody ever did refute them.
Up until last month.
And nobody ever did verify them.
That's right.
Neither one.
And nobody ever arrested anybody.
That's right.
Now they did investigate some people.
We were investigated because of the stealth fire.
And we had the straight skinny on that, but that was somewhat foolish, because another friend of mine, another investigator, researcher, whatever you want to call him, had found out that they were based at Tonopah in the Nevada desert.
And to make it easy on him, he bought some reflectors, nice little four-inch truck reflectors, duct-taped under the rods, so he could drive out across the desert at night with just his parking lights on, Reflection of these reflectors and park at the edge of the airstrip and watch the F-117s do night operations, which was the only time they flew them.
And while the various senators were denouncing the existence of the stealth fighter, I was writing letters saying, if you don't believe it, you go out here and you turn left at the rockets that have been shot up with shotgun shells outside of Tonopah.
Follow the reflectors to the fence and you can watch them all you want.
And it's not the F-19.
It was the F-117.
It was a senior trend.
Our senior... Oh, I'm not remembering now.
It's been several years.
And it was a Nighthawk.
And for that, we were brought in and investigated by the Fence Investigating Service.
They say we, who's we?
Lee Graham and I. Now, Lee Graham told me on the telephone one time that he was investigated and brought in and sat down and shown the documents that he'd been passing out from William Moore and was grilled about these MJ-12 documents, is that correct?
Yes, we both were.
And so you told him where you got them?
I told him the truth.
And what happened then?
Absolutely nothing with me.
They let me go and let me go and they had him sign an affidavit and I wouldn't sign any affidavit and he was sworn to secrecy and I could say anything I wanted to.
But the kicker is that they never investigated the source of these earthquakes.
Never once.
Which was Jamie Shannaray, Stanton T. Freedman, and what he was.
As a matter of fact, we asked him.
You know, if you don't believe us, ask him.
Here's his phone number.
Here's his address.
And you're more than welcome to.
Never once did they go ask him.
So what ultimately came of all of this?
Now I understand that they were running the New York Times.
Yeah, that ultimately, last month, We received a letter, Lee received it, from a Colonel Weaver.
And the Colonel Weaver had stamped them with about four different stamps, none of which I've ever seen in any government office before.
What did the stamps say?
Fraudulent document, not an official Air Force document.
Well, it may not have been an official Air Force document.
These are silly things that the government plays.
But if it is, he's in violation of the DOD standard for downgrading documents because only the originating agency has a law to do that.
Well, that's correct, but that's another game they play also with disinformation.
And they do these kinds of things to make people believe that this stuff is genuine.
But, and you're absolutely right, unless the Air Force was the originating agency, if it was a top-secret compartmentalized project, which it had to have been if it was real because it said top-secret slash magic, M-A-G-I-C, which would have been the sub-compartmentalization, he could never have downgraded and stamped him as fraudulent or anything else.
But you find this kind of documentation rampant throughout the so-called field of goofology.
I'm sorry, ufology.
Or foology.
Ufology.
Ufology.
But people in this fraudulent field, even, flaunt these documents as being absolute fact, when in reality Not a single one of them would stand up in any court of law in the world, anywhere.
None of them are proof of anything.
None of them are certified.
You cannot track down the origin of any single document that's been leaked from any source.
About anything concerning flying saucers or UFOs, including the so-called documentation released under the Freedom of Information Act from the FBI, because none of it is certified.
None of it.
And they're all copies of original documents.
None of them has been certified as to their origin, identity, or department, or initial author of those documents, or anything.
Which means, in a court of law, a judge would just One of the things that's always been, I guess, out of the awareness of the American people is that intelligence communities, irrespective of some law passed by the Senate, will not ever release any documents they don't want to release.
That's correct, and one of the things that I know from my stint in the Office of Naval It is that there are no accidental leaks.
There are no ex-CIA employees who write books exposing the agency.
If an ex-employee writes a book exposing the agency, that was his mission, and it has a set purpose.
All leaks that I have ever, ever discovered, and this is right out of the intelligence training manual, so to speak, are intentional.
They're never accidental.
If they are accidental, there's an immediate counterintelligence operation put into place to negate whatever damage that could have done.
The law is very plain in what it states, and it states that no one who has ever participated in any level of an intelligence operation can ever go out and talk about it without serious repercussions.
So, intelligence agents are about like pilots.
There's old ones and there's bold ones, but there's no old bold ones.
That's right.
And there's no ex-intelligence agents.
There just, it's not that way.
Now, we know that there are a lot of books supposedly written.
Philip Agee, or Agee, however you want to pronounce his name, wrote one of the first books supposedly revealing the inner operations of the CIA.
Now, the CIA then branded him as a Phillip Adye was then able to mix with the far left and the Communists and bring more intelligence into the Central Intelligence Agency than anyone had ever been done before, because they hailed him as a hero.
Now, he wasn't able to penetrate the KGB, because the KGB is smarter than that.
They're playing the same game, and they know what's going on, but as far as I mean, he was just welcomed with open arms.
And at that time, that's exactly what they wanted.
That was the time when there was a lot of civil unrest in this country.
That was the time when the students were coming up in arms.
That was the time when the Chicago riots, when they can't stay, when the military and the government agencies were so fearful of an internal Uprising against the Vietnam War, but they were actually making plans to suspend the United States Constitution to bring the population under control.
And everybody bought this story of Philip Aggie writing this book exposing the CIA, when the truth is that he didn't expose anything.
I saw something on TV here recently with Victor Marchetti.
And Daniel Sheehan.
Oh, yes.
And a few of the other sort of sundry usual suspects.
If they had been present in Humphrey Bogart's Casablanca, they would have been the usual suspects that would have been rounded up.
Here's Victor Marchetti, the ex-head of the operational division of the CIA, the deputy chief of operations, I believe was his title, sitting there talking about the Kennedy assassination, blaming it on the Central Intelligence Agency.
This doesn't happen.
He also wrote a paragraph somewhere I said this in a speech which was then written down and promulgated all over the place that the CIA knew all about flying saucers and extraterrestrials and that they couldn't tell the public because the public would panic.
These things are planted.
He's not telling us the truth.
He's telling us what the CIA wants the public to hear and nothing else.
He is considered to be an officer, and if he had said these things against policy, If he was not supposed to say these things, he would have been reactivated and sent to Siberia, or the North Pole, or the South Pole, or Thule, Greenland, or someplace where they could have kept him quiet, or they could have court-martialed him and just locked him up for five million years.
Now, I know this, and you know this, and everybody else connected with the Defense Industrial Establishment or the military and the intelligence community knows this, but the vast herd of American sheeple don't know these things.
I think they don't want to know.
It's more than that.
They don't know because they don't want to take the time.
They don't want to look.
But do you think that they'd prefer to sit there and listen to these people and believe what they're saying is the truth rather than understand that they're being used by these people?
Well, it takes work to go out and find the truth.
It's not something that's dumped in your lap.
Well, that's true.
We know that.
I mean, years have we been looking for the truth and we know that it's elusive at best.
Very difficult to find, but we know what the rewards are.
But most of the people would just prefer to have a cold six pack of beer and a good football game on and they're happy.
To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind that myself if I knew that nothing bad would ever come of that.
And if my grandchildren could enjoy the same things.
That's right.
What I know is that if I were to fall into that complacency, and take on that kind of luxurious life, and it is a luxury that none of us can afford, that the future would be very, very bad indeed for all of us.
And luckily, there are enough of us who are not doing that, that we can sound the alarm for those who are.
If they'll just get up off their butts and look around, they'll see that they should not be doing that.
Tell us some of the things that you discovered in your search.
They're lying to us about AIDS.
AIDS was created in a laboratory.
It's not strictly a homosexual disease.
It's not strictly any disease other than one of opportunism.
It was spread deliberately and the cure is being withheld deliberately until what our government considers to be undesirable factions are sufficiently thin.
Now where did you find this out?
Because immediately people out there are going to say, Bill told me to say this.
No, I wrote Freedom of Information Act requests and other requests to different government agencies shortly after the Surgeon General spread his pamphlet of lies through every household in the United States.
I didn't believe it.
So I wrote to Centers for Disease Control, I talked with physicians, I checked and it turns out the entire pamphlet was full of lies.
Further work revealed that the AIDS virus is somewhat smaller than the malaria virus and is easily transmitted by mosquitoes or big bugs.
That it's not a fragile virus.
It will live for seven, eight days, maybe even as long as two weeks on a porcelain surface, dry, to be completely reactivated again as soon as it's moist.
But you found all this because you looked.
That's it.
I just looked.
It took me maybe eight hours But it's eight hours well spent, and it's been over a couple of weeks.
And what else have you found?
What have you found on other subjects and other... Let's see.
I guess to me the most surprising was that at one time all of the land in the United States was called Elodio Title, or the Title of Elodio.
Oh, yes.
I had no idea you were going to talk about this, but I'm glad that you are.
Go ahead.
With a title velodium, you owe nothing to anyone.
It's yours.
And that land can't even be taxed.
Can't be taken for taxes.
I guess the nearest, something you all might remember is watching, I think, Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.
And you'll see the Lord Umpneump and his large estate.
And he has to have house guests and rent it out because he can't afford his taxes.
And have you ever wondered why the Crown didn't come and take his property like they do here?
They can't.
He has title of Elodian.
Every square inch of this country used to be Elodial titles.
And now it's fee simple.
And what does fee simple mean?
Simply in faith.
Faith in who?
The same people who stole it from him.
And that's why you have a warrant deed as the Elodial are a patent deed.
And all a warrant deed means is that it warrants that there is a deed, but you don't have it.
And when you pay your property taxes, you're paying actually a rental fee to the true owner, which is the state.
And if you fail to make your property tax a rental payment, they can come and take the land away from you.
Just as if you're renting a house from the true owner and you don't make that rental payment, they can come and evict you out onto the street.
And all of this happened because of something that happened back in the 1930s that we don't Time to get into, but maybe it'll spark your curiosity enough that you'll get up off your little tush and go find out for yourself what happened in the 1930s that brought all this about.
It's the same with your car, folks.
Haven't you ever wondered why when you pay off your car, you don't get a title?
You get a certificate of title?
A certificate of title merely certifies that a title exists, but you don't have it.
And every time you go down and pay the registration on your car, you're actually paying a rental fee to operate that car.
And the first time you fail to make that payment, they can come and take your car.
The true owner, that is.
So, anyway, go ahead.
Tell us some more of these fascinating... Well, I'll continue.
I can tell you how to get your own car.
What you do is, in California, you can take your vehicle, your supposed vehicle, to a wrecking yard.
Make sure that you trust the guy.
And declare it a wreck.
He will send the pink slip to Sacramento.
Sacramento will stamp it for salvage use.
Then you buy it from the wrecking yard owner, paying him gold and silver coin, and it's yours.
And then you don't have to register?
You can't register.
That's absolutely right.
You can't.
But it belongs to you.
That's it.
And under the Constitution, if it belongs to you 100% totally, You're not required to register, are you?
That's correct.
And you can travel with that car anywhere you want, as long as you're not a driver.
You're a traveler.
And as long as you don't have insurance.
That's correct.
Surprised you again, didn't I, Bill?
No, you didn't, because you used to surprise me until I realized that you're an extremely intelligent man and have really done an awful lot of research.
I never take that for granted about anybody, because I've found that most people in this country are not people at all.
They're sheeple.
They may have the capability of intelligence or thinking, but they very seldom use that intelligence, and they never do any thinking.
Most Americans have never had an original thought in their entire life.
It's up for steady listeners to this show.
They wouldn't be listening to this show if they were not thinking individuals.
People who join my organization, Kennedy's Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence, are thinkers, are doers.
They're not people who sit back and watch things happen.
These are people who make things happen.
But you have to understand that in this country, less than 10% of the total population have a shortwave radio and could even possibly listen to this show.
And you don't hear anything like you hear on this program on any other media in this country.
So most people out there don't have the slightest clue as to what's going on.
If Daniel Radley doesn't tell it to them at 7 o'clock, it isn't true.
You know that.
That's right.
And time's up.
Thank you for being our special guest tonight, Ron Regehr.
We hope to have you back again maybe tomorrow night or some other time.
Good night, folks.
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