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June 17, 1993 - Bill Cooper
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Mystery Babylon #23 - Jordon Maxwell interview
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Tonight, folks, you'll notice the absence of our normal lead-in music.
You'll also notice that we're not going into any type of a musical selection to introduce the subject matter of this program as we usually do.
Simply because I want to devote the maximum amount of time to our special guest tonight, Mr. Jordan Maxwell.
Now, I never met Jordan Maxwell in my life until today.
I don't really know him personally.
I have been introduced to him, circuitously, through a bevy of my own personal friends, whom, after listening to my lectures, after reading my book, realized that Mr. Jordan Maxwell and I have quite a bit in common.
And they prompted me, pushed me, you might say, to meet with this gentleman.
And I guess that you had the same treatment on your end as Jordan did.
Yes.
Jordan has a fascinating background.
He has paralleled my research in many avenues, in many areas, and has come up with the same
the same answers to the questions that I have asked all my life.
And tonight we're going to be talking about the answers that he has come up with.
But first I'm going to ask him to introduce himself to our listening audience.
Jordan.
Well, thank you very much for asking me to be here.
My name is Jordan Maxwell, as we said.
As of 1959, I became very interested in the subject of secret societies and subversive
movements.
I came about it because of my family.
When I was very small, my mother's uncle worked in the Vatican Secretary of State's office as a civilian.
And on occasions when he would come back to home to visit, back to this country, he would sit and talk for hours about the intrigue going on throughout the world behind the scenes of religion and politics and all the nefarious plans that are being fomented by governments and religion and I became fascinated with this subject.
Since then I have, as I said, since 1959 I have really delved into the subject myself and I find the more that you
find out about the subject, the more you know how much you don't know because it is an
enormous subject that takes in not only the fraternal orders, the secret societies of
Freemasonry, the occult societies going back into the most ancient world, going back to pre-Sumerian
and those symbols and emblems which were used in the ancient world are now even
being used in our world, our modern day world and we don't even realize it. As a matter
of fact, things like the oil companies, the automotive companies, the cigarette
companies use symbols and emblems in the course in government, national institutions, educational
institutions. Our world is filled with symbols.
And symbols are like the letters of the alphabet.
If you put enough of them together, they spell a word.
And you put a lot of them together, and they tell you a story.
The story I am talking about is the secret societies and occult orders that go all the way back into the ancient world and I believe, and it's my opinion, that they are still in operation today behind our major religions and major governmental agencies.
The symbols and emblems you can see with your own eyes and do some research and you'll find that they go back into the ancient world.
Now we like to talk about That there's a separation of church and state in America.
The fact of the matter is, no such separation exists.
There is a very direct connection between the religious establishment in this country and the political establishment.
And as you probably well know, has always been the case, all the way back to the pre-Sumerians.
The king was always the mediator between God and man, as well as being head of the temple state.
The pharaohs, of course, of Egypt perfected this so that they were both gods and mortals who were ruling the state.
The Caesars picked up on this, of course, and it's come down through the ages.
And even in our country of America today, we have a direct connection between church and state.
Now let me draw your attention to this and make you an example here.
Churches.
When you go into most churches, you will find that there are, like, three tiers high.
and then the altar sits on the top tier.
It's the same is true in a courtroom.
You go in to a courtroom and you'll see that the bench sits on three tiers high,
and the three tiers high has been traced in the reference works of Freemasonry
to the first three degrees of Freemasonry.
That's correct.
Yes.
And so then you have the priest who comes out, the clergy who comes out with the long robe,
and incidentally the reason why clergy always wear long robes is because it's a female garment and it represents the
feminine connection with God, and that's why clergy wear a long robe.
It also has to do with when the clergy wear the long robe, the judge, when the judge comes out, he wears the same long black robe.
It's the same black robe that you wear when you graduate from university or high school.
The black robe is a very important symbol.
It has to do with a very ancient cult called the Saturnalian cult, going back into the ancient Semitic world, the worship of Saturn.
Black was a color attributed to Saturn, and even today in Islam, in Mecca, in Saudi Arabia, you have this square of Mecca within the magic circle, within the Masonic circle.
And Mecca is black, and it's draped in a black robe.
And so, this is a world fraternity of secret societies that use the same symbols.
But let me get back to the government, the courtroom, and the church.
When you're sitting in a church, you, of course, are looking up onto the altar, and the priest is looking down on you.
There is always a fence in the church and then there's a gate and only the priest can go through the gate to enter the altar.
The same thing is true in a court.
There is the fence and there's the gate and only the attorneys can go through and they're called the logos and they go through and talk to the judge for you.
And of course the judge is sitting three tiers high so he can look down on you and you look up to him.
The same symbols which are used in religion are used in political circles.
And I am saying, it's my opinion, that what we have in America is a religio-political-economic scheme based on a very ancient secret societies and paternal orders.
And until such time as we understand that concept, that things just don't happen.
I mean, what was it, Franklin Roosevelt even said, anything that happens in politics, it was planned that way.
And until such time as you understand that things are planned in politics and that there is a rhyme and a reason to things, you know, we're never going to get to the bottom of this.
A classic example of what I'm talking about is we hear in this country, we hear politicians, the president and the local leaders saying that they just can't seem to get a handle on the crime problem, the drug problem, all of the different problems that are facing us as a people, and they just can't seem to get a handle on these things.
However, if you put a wrong comma on your income tax, they can get a hold on you!
And if you go into the Amazon jungles, they'll follow you, and they will find you.
And it may take a while, but they'll spend millions, and they will find you.
And they will bring you back here, and they will deal with you in public to show the rest of the people that you can mess around with other people, but you don't mess with the money and the government, okay?
So, the point I'm making is that if they cannot seem to get a hold on crime, but they can get a hold on you, the question should be asked, how is it that a country 50 years ago Which was a lot less sophisticated.
Got a hold on Adolf Hitler and he had a standing army all over the world.
They can get a hold on the Soviet national economy and destroy peoples and nations all around the world.
They can get a hold on anybody they want.
Except for the drug trade.
Except for the crime.
And I'm saying that the crime and the drug trade in this country are purposely allowed to exist and in certain cases even promoted.
Because according to the ancient Cults of the ancient world.
There was a term that has come down to us, and many Freemasons in the audience will readily remember this.
According to the ancient cults, there was something called Ordo Ob Cael, in Latin, which meant order out of chaos.
Right.
So the idea was that if you can create enough chaos, that people will be sufficiently frightened and will give to you The power and the political power to bring back law and order.
Now there was a television comedy program many years ago called Get Smart.
And when people tell you to get smart, it's implying that you're missing something here, alright?
Get Smart, you'll remember that on one side, in the TV show Get Smart, on one side was chaos and the other side was control.
And I'm saying that's exactly how you get control, by causing chaos.
The idea is that if you're going to pull a scam on somebody, you're going to pick somebody's pocket or something, you always have a diversion.
You do something to draw the person's attention while you're picking his pocket.
If you're going to break out of a prison, you always have the gang fight down at the far end while the guys are crawling out the hole on the other end.
The idea is you set up a diversion.
You cause chaos, and out of that you can get control, because people who will sufficiently frighten people will give you the power to put down these problems.
Now, Adolf Hitler did this, and he worked it perfectly, and it works.
A lot of people are wondering why is it that the German people would have ever allowed Hitler to do what he did.
Hitler was elected to office because of the chaos that he was doing.
He was causing the chaos.
The people became sufficiently frightened and so they give him the political power to put down the trouble because they knew he was the only guy that could put down the problems because he was the one that was causing it.
So I'm saying that the same kind of scam is being worked in this country today.
We're seeing nothing but chaos and nothing but trouble, and I'm saying that it's all orchestrated.
That you cannot, you couldn't possibly imagine people like the President of the United States making mistakes.
I mean, you hear every day, well, Senator So-and-so made a terrible mistake, or the United States government made a terrible mistake in Vietnam, or they made a horrible mistake on this or that.
This country don't make mistakes.
If they do something, they have a reason for doing it.
They don't pay these people, these doctors and professional psychologists and this whole army of brains at the Vatican.
I mean, well, that's a Freudian slip, probably, in the Vatican, too.
But at the, what is it?
Pentagon.
Pentagon.
Yeah.
They don't pay these people big money to make mistakes.
The president, when he does something, or this government does something, they know what they're doing.
Now, it may not make any sense to you, but according to other plans, if you understand what's going on behind the scenes, it makes a lot of sense.
Well, let me interject something in here for you, Jordan, so that you'll understand.
My listening audience has had 22 hours already.
Their education is far beyond anybody that you've rightly talked to.
They understand what we're talking about.
They understand the involvement of the Vatican.
They understand the symbology of the Mystery Schools.
Now, we may have some listening audience out there who just tuned in to this show, or maybe just found it a couple of shows ago.
Most of my listening audience worldwide has been listening to this show since the 4th of May, 1992, and have an extensive education in all this.
So if you want to cut to the meat of the matter, these people will understand.
You don't have to build up to it.
Right.
Well, I mean, I talk to audiences so often, and I'm aware that when I'm talking to an audience that people generally have not been initiated into this kind of thinking.
And so that's why I try and lay a foundation for There are a lot of occult symbols and emblems in government and religion, and I wanted to get into one in particular.
The Nazis, the Communists, the Fascists, and all of the ancient world powers that have ever existed have used one common symbol continually, and that's the sun.
Now, if you understand that the earliest history, the prehistory of the human race goes back into the most ancient times, and God knows how far back that would be, 10, 20,000, maybe 50,000 years, I don't know.
But if you go back to the earliest times of the human race, you can appreciate that the world was a very different place than what we live in today, okay?
And so, if you understand that it was a very cold and very fearful world at night, okay?
And if you understand also that in that cold and fearful world when the sun went down, there was a lot of fear for your life.
There were a lot of predatory animals.
And so the coming of the sun the next morning was always something to look forward to that brought warmth, that brought light, and brought security.
And around that concept grew a whole religio-political philosophy of the coming of the sun, God's sun, the light of the world.
And it has been used by the ancient Egyptians, all the mystery schools, and of course you probably know it was referred to as Baal of worship at one time.
Baal was the sun, God's sun, the light of the world.
And, you know, the whole concept of the ancient world was that He had 12 helpers which were the 12 signs of the Zodiac, or
the 12 months of the year.
And of course, he died with the crown of thorns, like the Statue of Liberty has the crown of
thorns, it's the corona, or the sun rays.
And when we begin to see all of these connections, and of course in the spring of the year, the
sun which had died in winter had passed over from the death of winter into the new life
of spring, so in the old Semitic world, they celebrated the Passover.
And we even say that today.
When someone dies they pass on, or they pass away, or they pass over.
And so we get the old symbolism out of Egypt of the sun dying in the winter and passing over to the new life in spring.
And so in the beginning of spring we have the Passover.
It's an interesting thing, too, about the sun, is that the ancient world realized that on the December 22nd, which was the winter solstice, they noticed something interesting on the sundials.
Of course, the sundials being round, they could each degree for each day.
They noticed that on the 22nd, the sun did not move.
On the 22nd, it stayed on the sundial on the same degree.
On the 23rd, it stayed on the same degree.
It didn't move any further south, and it didn't start back north.
On the 24th, it was still in the same degree on the sundial.
It didn't move.
So they said, the ancient Egyptians said, anything that was moving and is now not moving is dead.
So therefore, they said, God's son died and was in his tomb or dead for three days.
Then on December 25th, anything that was dead and in his grave and not moving for three days, and now begins to move back to the Northern Hemisphere, it moved its first degree, so on December 25th it said, God's Son is born, on December 25th.
Now in the real world, let's clarify something for a lot of people who are listening out there.
You're not talking anything about Christmas, you're not talking about what Christians traditionally No, I'm getting at the birth of Christ.
You're getting at the symbolism of the ancient religion of the sun, which was later perverted in Christianity to reflect this in order to capture the pagan worshippers into the Christian church.
Absolutely.
Right.
Now what I'm saying is that December the 25th is not Christ's birthday.
No, not at all.
No.
It's the birthday of the sun.
Right.
And then, but then when you understand that this symbolism The ancient peoples understood that the sun was revolved, and it was a symbol of revolution.
And today, in America, we have, or at least in the western part of the United States, we have an oil company called Union Oil.
Union Oil has as a symbol a round orange globe at the 76, and of course the commercial says, get the spirit, the spirit of 76.
The orange globe is the sun, because the communists have always used the rising sun Now, as you recall, on the Soviet National Code of Arms,
there is the rising sun that's bringing the dawn of a new day.
And the symbology of 76 plugs into what's called the 76 and the 13.
76 is 13.
Right, in the order of the trapezoid.
And if you figure out the formula of the ancient religion which says, as above, so below, the
creation of this country in 1776 was guaranteed to bring into the world the new man, the illumined
You may have three degrees of six-packs or...
Right.
And 8 is the number in the old Kabbalistic pre-masonry in Europe, 8 was the number of new beginnings.
And the new beginnings, the new beginnings was 17 is 7 and 1, 8.
And 13 was, of course, the old mystic number of God and his 12 helpers of God in his 12 months, make 13.
It's also the number of death and rebirth, or resurrection, or reincarnation, depending upon how you look at that.
So once you get into all of the symbolism, you see that there is a rhyme and a reason to all of these emblems and symbols.
And something else in relation to word symbols, and God knows we're inundated by innuendos and catchphrases in this country especially.
We've been hearing, since George Bush made it publicly known, something called the New World Order.
I want to clarify something for your audience that probably might already know this, but Europe has been referred to as the Old World, and anything coming out of Europe is Old World, alright?
The Vatican has dominated Europe for about 1500-1600 years.
The Vatican has dominated Europe.
Europe has dominated the world.
There was a religious, political, economic scheme of things that was the order of the
day.
The old banking houses of the Roman Empire, the old, what was some of the families, and
Anarius, Copernicus, Peisos.
The Peisos family were a very powerful banking family who were the main brains behind.
They were the Rockefellers of the Roman Empire.
The Miches?
Absolutely.
And so when you understand that there was a banking, fraternal, religious, political order that operated throughout the world, and the Vatican sat on top of that, and that was an old world order.
Now, with the coming of America, of course America is referred to as the New World, and so what we have now is a New World Order.
And that New World Order implies that there is a fraternal order operating throughout
the world, operating out of America, that seeks to take the place of the Old World Order
and bring a new order of the world.
But you must understand that you cannot have a new order or a new building on the same
site as an old building.
So you've got to get rid of the old order first and bring in the new order.
When you get into that, and I'm sorry, I've got a problem right now.
When you get into that, you get into the symbolism that Steven Spielberg and Lucas and George
Lucas bring out about Indiana Jones and the last crusade.
And of course you can't understand the last crusade if you don't understand the first
crusade, right?
Or the next crusade.
Or the next crusade, which is the real crusade, right?
And then from there you get the trilogy of Star Wars and then the Empire Strikes Back and of course New York is referred to as the Empire State.
That's correct.
And so you get the Empire Strikes Back and then of course you might know this that in Freemasonry there is a little ideologue or a little genie like mystical character supposedly in Freemasonry that they said was there Mediator between the gods and the Freemasons of the Knights Templars.
And that little saint or that little, what would I say, mediator in the old Knights Templar tradition was a little short little monster with pointed ears and his name was Yoda.
And you go into the old Masonic literature and pictures and you'll see pictures of Yoda because he was a Jedi Knight.
And if you understand the Jedi Knights, where it was connected to the old order of the knighthood of the Knights
Templars.
So what we're talking about here is the Star Wars. We're talking about a spiritual war in the heavens, so to speak.
Well, this was a cosmology, a celestial religion, so to speak.
Absolutely.
They talk about moving on to the celestial sphere when they discuss... Right, and of course the sun was... the ancient Egyptians said that the sun walked across the sky So, therefore, we have Luke Skywalker.
And from this comes a thousand points of light.
A thousand points of light and a thousand year reign of the Nazi empire, or whatever.
And what we're talking about here is secret societies and their use of symbols and emblems in religion, in politics, in philosophy, and incidentally, when you graduate from university, I don't have to bring this out, when you graduate from university, you wear a long black robe.
The black robe is, of course, the same black robe that the priest wears.
It's the same black robe that the judge wears, alright?
Because the black robe symbolizes, it goes back to the old Saturnalian cult, which was pre-Egyptian, the worship of Saturn.
And according to that ancient Semitic cult, when you got married, you wear the ring.
The ring was the ring of Saturn.
The women would show their submission to that god by wearing the ear ring.
That's where we get the idea of the king being crowned.
He wears a round crown or the round circle of the god of Sovereign.
Sovereign, as I said, was assigned the color black, and therefore the black robe is the worship of Sovereign, the Sovereign alien god.
What was I going to say about, oh yes, and when you graduate, you graduate with a square mortarboard.
The square marker board is always the symbol of the brick masons used the marker board and then of course when you graduate you are referred to as an alumni which comes from the word alumni you have been illuminated which basically means you now know what to kiss and when and how to think and what to think and how to act and you have been properly educated.
Belong to the priesthood.
That's right, you belong to the priesthood.
And if you go along to get along, and don't cause any problems,
If you go hard to get along, you might get a little, right?
That's right.
Exactly.
Nobody else gets anything.
And my point is, and I have said this to so many audiences, that there is, this country, the United States, has no real enemies in the world.
After the Second World War, especially, is that true?
Well, every enemy, even before the Second World War, most of the enemies that we had have been creation.
That's right.
We created them.
Absolutely.
But there is one legitimate, believable enemy that faces America that the powers behind
the throne in this country, in America, are truly afraid of.
And this is legitimate.
They are totally frightened to death of us, the people, because they realize that if the
people ever wake up, I mean, something that Joe Kennedy was quoted as saying, something
to the effect of, beware the American conscience, because if they ever wake up and find out
what we're doing, it's going to be hell to play.
And so I believe that there is a legitimate enemy that this country perceives, and that's
us.
People who think too much, people who read too much, and people who talk too much.
But that's always the case, though, Jordan, because we know that what's coming is going to be a socialist state.
Oh, totally.
Every time socialism has won anywhere, the first thing that they've done is that they've They have literally perverted the intelligentsia, which has brought them to power.
And then the first thing that they did is kill the intelligentsia.
They killed them.
Absolutely.
And the intelligentsia aren't very intelligent because they haven't learned this yet because they're still doing it.
But the more we change, the more we stay the same.
That's right.
We'll come back to that in just a few minutes.
Folks, I hope you're paying attention to this show because Jordan has an awful lot to say
and you can hear that he's right in tune with what we've covered before.
Don't go away.
It's time to take our break.
We'll be right back after this very short pause.
And welcome back to the Hour of the Time, dear listeners.
I meant to apologize earlier in the program for the rusty raspiness of my voice, folks,
but once again, I lost it for a while and it's a good thing that we've been playing
the reruns from WRNO because I could not have done the show until now anyway.
Folks, I know that an awful lot of you have not yet called Swiss America Trading.
I know also that you look forward to this show every night, Monday through Friday, all around the world.
I'm not just talking to Americans, I'm talking to every freedom-loving individual who lives on the face of this planet.
And I hope you all understand why I concentrate on the preservation of the Constitution of the United States of America.
But for those of you who don't understand that yet, It's because it's the only document ever written, penned by the hand and the mind of man in the history of the world, that has ever set man free on the face of this earth.
No one ever existed in freedom before that document was written, except kings, queens, sultans, emirs, and emperors.
And of course those behind the Emperor, the King, Queen, Sultan, are in either the priest
class or the adepts of the mystery schools who really control things from the shadows.
And those of you who have been listening to this show for a long time know that.
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Everywhere I go, every place I speak, many of you come up to me and ask me, how Bill
can I protect my assets?
We all know that there's nothing behind this phony baloney money.
We know it's fiat.
We know it's counterfeit.
We know that it all has to come tumbling down.
Now, how can I save what I've worked for all my life?
How can I protect my family?
Well, the answer has been in front of your nose all the time, folks.
We've done a concerted, intense study into all the bad periods in the history of the
world to see what it was, what it was that protected people the most during those periods.
And in every single instance throughout the history of the world, we found that it's only
been a very few things.
One is land.
If you're allowed to own land, we know in the encroaching New World Order that property
will not be allowed.
Private property will be eliminated.
Read the Communist Manifesto and realize that what's coming is rampant, total socialism.
We know that number two has always been precious metals, usually throughout history in the
form of gold and silver.
Well, during this period of time, you have some other options also, one of them being
platinum.
Now, if this comes to pass, and I'm talking if now because nobody knows absolutely for
certain, but we have predicted, we stand behind our prediction, that there's going to be a
terrible economic trauma in our future.
I'm sorry.
Now, there are indicators that tell us this.
There are hard, cold facts that tell us this.
Most of this we've revealed to you in past programs in the hour of the time, so I'm not going to go into that right now.
But I will tell you this, I will tell you this folks, that gold and silver throughout the history of the world has been the only real consistent and positive investment that anyone has ever been able to make that has literally protected anyone's assets, property, wealth, The sweat of their labor for many years.
You see, folks, today with one ounce of gold you can buy the exact same number of loaves of bread that you could have bought a hundred years ago with that same one ounce of gold.
Now, if you have this gold or silver in small denomination coins, the smallest denomination that you can find, as a matter of fact, you can recognize literally by anyone, anywhere in the world.
Everyone knows what they are.
Even a primitive tribesman in the jungles of Borneo can look at a gold or silver coin and know that it has intrinsic value worth.
Now, the only other thing that I can tell you absolutely has value, but the value of that will disappear with age, of course, is food and clothing.
There are some things in the coming drama that will have value, and you should take a look at those, too.
Things that people are addicted to, such as coffee, chocolate, candy.
Things that people absolutely need, such as Tampax, toilet paper, toothpaste, toothbrushes.
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Maxwell.
Jordan, can we talk about some of the symbols, the symbology that people are going to run
into in their everyday life as they go about their business and maybe haven't even understood
what these things mean?
Yes, as a matter of fact, as we were saying before, that the world around us is filled
with emblems and symbols, and if you know how to read the symbols, you can tell where
people are coming from.
You can tell what organizations are coming from.
For instance, in Washington, D.C., which is a very interesting place, you have the Washington Monument, which is of course the Egyptian obelisk.
Now the Egyptian obelisk is pointing is of course the male phallic symbol, okay?
And the male phallic on the Washington Monument is connected to something in the White House called the Oval Office.
And when you understand the male phallic with the female oval office, you're talking about the coming of life.
And that's the life of the nation.
You have the Pentagon.
The United States Pentagon comes from the five-pointed pentagram.
If you take the arms off of a five-pointed star, which has been used in devil worship and satanic worship for thousands of years, if you understand you take the arms off of a five-pointed star, the interior of the star is called a pentagon.
And so we have a United States Pentagon, and of course the Pentagon is used by the Chrysler Corporation as their symbol, the Pentagon.
Why?
Because Chrysler was the company that was chosen to make the military hardware for the United States, and they had the contract, so that's why they still use the Pentagon as their symbol.
And on the back of the dollar bill, of course, we don't want to forget that, because the dollar bill is crammed full with symbols.
And Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, said that the reason why all these symbols were put on a one dollar bill is because he figured that all over the world, people, no matter how poor you were, you would have in your hand the almighty dollar.
And if you have in your hand the one dollar bill, then you have in your hand all of the symbolism of the secret societies and the occult orders.
Of course, on the left-hand side of the back of the dollar bill you have the pyramid.
Now, you've got to ask yourself, why would you have an Egyptian pyramid on an American dollar bill?
And then you will see the letters annuit coeptis over the top of the pyramid.
Annuit coeptis in Latin means our enterprise is now a success.
Our God has favored our enterprise.
The enterprise, of course, is on the banner beneath the pyramid, which is Novus Ordo Seclurum, which is the New Order of the World.
New Order of Seclurum, and that's where we get the word secular, anything that's worldly.
So now we're talking about a New World Order on the bottom of the pyramid.
You will find that the pyramid has 13 layers.
And there are 13 letters in Enoch Poeptis, and then if you go to the right side, you'll see the seal of America with the eagle, and above the eagle you'll have 13 stars, which stand for the 13 colonies originally.
But the 13 colonies and the 13 stars go back to Jesus and the 12, because they're moving in on and using the ancient Uh, societies are moving in on the teachings of Christianity and posing themselves under the 13 being Jesus and the chosen 12.
Um, then you've got the, uh, the, the 13, let's see, on the, on the right hand side, uh, you've got the, uh, on one side of the eagle you have the 13 leaves and the 13 berries and the 13 leaves, and then on the other side you have the 13 arrows.
Everything is done in sequence of 13.
Of course, something else I wanted to bring up while I'm thinking about it is that so much of what we have seen in movies and television are symbols.
Are you aware that I have been talking to some doctors in Los Angeles who have been doing some research on this, and I find it to be absolutely fascinating that many of the gangs, the Latino and the black gangs in the major cities across America, Their graffiti that they are spraying on buildings, their
graffiti are actually Masonic emblems and Masonic seals and symbols.
And I have seen a whole collection that these doctors have, these are medical doctors, but
they are interested in this subject.
And they have been collecting hundreds of pictures of graffiti and showing the research
into the ancient secret societies.
And there's no way that these black and Latino gangs can know these symbols.
There's definitely a connection between the gangs and some sort of a higher orchestrated mind behind the warfare going on between gangs.
I don't think those gangs are by chance. I think that they have been nurtured and orchestrated and promoted and even
financed.
I mean, if you think about it, those gangs have money to travel around, they can buy guns, they can roam around,
they don't have to work.
Where are they getting their money from?
Well, not only that, but their main occupation is the narcotics business and fomenting chaos, confusion and fear.
They haven't got the background of understanding and learning to put together the kind of logistics network that it would take to supply this kind of an enterprise.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
awful lot of organization, an absolute ability to provide 100% protection is supplying these
city gangs.
Isn't that remarkable?
You can bet on it.
You can bet on it.
This is a very sophisticated, totally protected organization.
Absolutely.
As a matter of fact, the San Francisco Chronicle had two full pages in one of their newspapers
I still have where they were talking about how this federal government was bringing in
narcotics from Asia during the Vietnam War in the bodies of American servicemen that
was killed in Vietnam.
And they were bringing in bags of pure heroin and pure narcotics from Asia in the bodies
of American servicemen.
And what were they doing with it?
They were giving it directly to the Monteah because the Monteah is doing little tricks
for the government.
It takes care of business for the government, so they have to be paid.
Well, let's clarify one thing.
It's not the government.
It is the secret society operating behind our government.
That's correct.
Behind the veil of national security.
And I might remind you that back in history, when Albert Pike and Giuseppe Mazzini were corresponding and were setting up the core foundation of the Illuminati within Freemasonry, both in their respective countries at that time, Of course, Albert Pike was the Grand Commandant of Freemasonry throughout the world, and Giuseppe Mazzini was his counterpart in Europe and the lower level.
It was Giuseppe Mazzini who created and fostered and gave the charter to what is now known as the Mafia.
Yeah, that's right.
Luca Sanastro was Mazzini.
That's a Masonic order.
There's no doubt about it.
And this explains the close cooperation Between government and the mafia.
That is right.
Absolutely.
And when we also understand that the old magic practicing priest of the old Celtic Druid priest of ancient England and the person of Merlin the magician when you understand that the old priest of the magicians worked their magic on people with their magic wands and their magic wands were always made out of hollywood and they're still working their magic today with Hollywood.
If you understand how we're being manipulated, we're being programmed,
Hollywood is nothing more than an instrument in the hands of the secret societies.
And in Los Angeles, anyone who knows anything about the motion picture industry
knows that the real bosses are in New York and back east.
Nobody makes any decisions here in Los Angeles.
Those decisions are made by some very powerful people behind the scenes in New York and upstate New York.
And we're not talking about just Hollywood.
We're talking about the media overall in general.
Right.
Including print, television, radio.
Right.
The whole works.
Absolutely.
What we're looking at is a very sophisticated method of manipulation.
Exploitation.
Absolute exploitation of people's ignorance.
Somewhere along the line, and as I said to you before a few minutes ago, the greatest enemy this country will ever face, the people who are behind the scenes of government in this country, their greatest enemy is you.
You who think too much.
As a matter of fact, there was a movie, there was a motion picture called, oh what was it, a few years back, called Network.
And in the movie Network, at the end of the movie, the star was a newsman And he said something to the effect that you don't have to worry about America being destroyed.
America's not going anywhere because we feed everybody.
So if we go, the whole world goes because we're feeding everybody.
But there is something that is lost forever.
There is something that it has done and is legitimately lost and that is your freedom
as an individual human being to be free, to do your own thinking, to be your own person.
That is lost.
You have been taken over and you don't even know it.
And he said, and the reason why is because you don't read, you don't think, you don't
You want to be entertained by Bugs Bunny and Big Top Pee Wee.
All you want is your recappable tires, like he says, and all of your creature comforts.
And you don't want to put yourself out, and so consequently, karma.
It's the law of karma, cause and effect.
You have not defended your freedoms.
And if you don't defend your freedoms and your rights, you don't have any.
That's correct.
Now, let's go back to this symbology we were talking about down the back of the reverse seal of the United States of America.
We see at the top of this pyramid, which, by the way, does not have a capstone, we see an eye surrounded by rays.
And this eye signifies, really in the beginning, And we see that same symbol as the insignia for CBS.
And we also see in the NBC peacock a tail and each feather of the tail has an eye on
it.
And we also see the symbol of one of the information computer networks, America Online, is the
pyramid with the, again, all seeing eyes.
It's amazing!
We see the symbol of Prodigy, which is another computer information service.
Right.
Which has as its symbol, the pentagram.
And by the way, folks, there's been a lawsuit brought against Prodigy because it has been
discovered that as you sign on to the Prodigy computer bulletin board database system built
into the program that they send you so that you can sign on to the system and use it,
is a method whereby they actually read the information on your personal hard drive on
your personal computer.
And I don't know where that goes or what they do with it, but there has been a lawsuit that's
been brought against Prodigy for, they've been caught in the act is what I'm trying
to tell you.
And it's in court right now.
We'll let you know how that's resolved and what happens, but I will tell you, if you're
signing on to some of these national...
computer information database systems there's a good chance that
you're the one that's being you're the one that is being
computerized probed for information
while you think that you're probing them for information it's actually the other way around
and you set up intentionally that way I had an interesting conversation with a very high ranking
rabbi in America about three or four years ago
and he had written a book and I was very interested in about symbolism or cult symbolism in America
and some of the interesting things he brought out was the movie Frankenstein
if you break the word down Frank-en-stein
And it goes back to Jacob Frank, and Jacob Frank in Europe was one of the leading members
of the Illuminati in Europe.
And the idea was that in the old movie, Boris Karloff comes out and tells you in the original
1933 movie of Frankenstein, he comes out and says that this is a story about an old mad
scientist at Bavarian University of Ingolstadt.
And he has put together all of these nefarious pieces and created a monster.
And that's what Frank Einstein meant.
And the rabbi was bringing out that all this story of Frankenstein was that the Bavarian
professor Adam Weishaupt had put together a Frankenstein monster to frighten the world.
And what he did is he used different people and put them together, the different pieces,
into a monster.
And so Hollywood has known these stories.
Hollywood is totally aware of all of these symbolism that's behind these stories.
And so I'm saying there's no way we are going to remain a free people without facing the facts that it's an educated electorate.
We love to go around talking about how we have the right to elect.
Boy in America, we have the right to elect.
But we don't have the right to see elect.
That's what the problem is.
So without education, without knowledge and understanding, Which comes from many hours of study and listening and understanding and researching on your own.
We're not going to remain a free people.
And that's really the key, is not to believe anything that you hear from anyone, including me, including you.
No, absolutely.
Including your own mother.
People have got to learn to start digging up and researching and studying.
All of this on their own.
Absolutely.
And then you will make it your own.
Then you will finally see how we have been had as a people.
And believe me, we are in serious trouble because the secret societies, even the Masonic orders today, When I have asked these Freemasons, who is it that is actually running your organization?
They will tell you that they have a name for them.
They call the Hidden Masters.
The Hidden Supervisors.
The Hidden Supervisors.
The Hidden Masters.
And it's always nine.
Right, right.
And it goes back to the legend of the beginning of the Order of the Rose and Cross.
Right.
And Iron and Biff and the whole works all the way back into history that there is a The round table of nine is somewhere who is guiding all the
machinations of the secret societies leading to a one-world government.
Now, I don't know if these nine people really exist.
It doesn't matter.
It's a best-seller, right?
It doesn't matter.
But what we do know is that it is organized, it is orchestrated, and there is a method
to the madness.
And it may not make any sense to you, because that's where you don't know what's going on.
But if you were in the inner sanctums of these criminals as they're planning their criminology
throughout the world and their bloodshed, if you were a fly on the wall meeting with
these criminals, then you would see that the things which are happening in the world make
sense.
That's correct.
And also, one of the methods that they manipulate us is to turn us against each other.
Absolutely.
Racism is a form of this.
Getting different religions to fight against each other is a form of this.
But that's a protection to them.
As long as you're out fighting somebody else, you're not joining forces to uncover them.
It's part of the plan.
So that we're not looking in the right corner to see the cockroaches doing real damage.
Absolutely.
When they crawl out from under the sink.
And that's a very good analogy, because that's just what they are.
The cockroaches.
The cannibals.
And as a matter of fact, they have symbolism in words, as I said, and I'm going to throw this one out at you.
In California, we have something called the criminal justice system.
Think about it.
It's a criminal justice system.
And they know what they're doing.
I mean, they have this thing back in Georgia called the, what is it, Disease Control, the Center for Disease Control.
It's not the Center for Disease Eradication.
It's for the Center of Disease Control.
The whole way that we have grown up in this country, accepting symbols, emblems, words, institutions, government symbols, We need to educate ourselves that there is a whole world of
knowledge there that we have not been privy to know.
Well, they're concepts of us, meaning the normal, everyday, and I consider myself to
be in that category.
I'm just like everybody else out there.
Probably if I had never been a member of the Office of Naval Intelligence, I would never have thought of any of this and would not be doing what I'm doing right now.
So I'm no different than the average listener out there.
It's just that one day I woke up, looked myself in the mirror and said, Bill, you've been stupid for all of your life.
I'm not going to be stupid anymore.
I've got to do something smart.
I've got to wise up.
And that's really the only thing that separates me from For most other people.
But their concept of us is that we're like animals, like cattle, that we don't have any intelligence.
Precisely.
That's why they say that our offspring are kids.
We have kids.
And they rub it in our face.
Absolutely.
They rub our nose in and out.
And we go around saying that we have kids.
Kids are our baby goats.
That's what they think of us.
We're a bunch of goats, a bunch of animals, cattle.
And that we deserve.
They figure we're going to get taken anyway because we're so stupid.
Their idea is that since we're going to get taken anyway, they might as well go on and do it.
Because nobody's going to do it anyway.
Absolutely.
And so I'm saying I'm tired of being taken.
Me too.
And I want to wake the people up around the world to the fact that there is a method to the madness.
It is orchestrated, organized, directed, and financed by criminals.
And until such time as you understand that, you're never going to see this world getting any better.
And somebody has to take up the reins.
Somebody has to do this.
And we're putting our lives on the line by doing this.
But at this point, I don't care anymore.
All I want is to see this master conspiracy uncovered.
I'd like to see all of this stuff uncovered for the first time.
And that's exactly what the people behind our government do not want.
They don't want the people to wake up.
That's why they give you plenty of liquor stores, make sure you've got plenty of booze, and plenty of alcohol, and plenty of entertainment, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke, and plenty of coke So, folks, I'm going to quote from Chapter 1 of my book, Behold a Pale Horse, and I want you to remember this because this is their philosophy.
A nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence for no better than animals who do not have intelligence, and such people are beasts of burden and stakes on the table by choice and consent.
Now, if you'd like to write to Jordan Maxwell and ask him for further information or just send him your thoughts and ideas on this program, You can do so in care of Jordan Maxwell, Post Office Box 7442, Burbank, California, 91510.
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that we have aired it. We've turned over the rocks, we've watched the bugs scurry, we've
shined a bright light on them. They consider themselves to be illumined, but I'm going
to tell you folks right now, those of you who listen to this program regularly are the
only illumined, truly illumined people in this world. And we're these, members of these
secret societies pretend to be working for the illumination and the furtherance of the
human race and for a thousand years of true peace. They are liars, deceivers, manipulators
and criminals.
And the only people who are ever going to bring peace into this world will be you and I. People like Jordan Maxwell.
People who really care about peace and security and about our children and about our future.
Remember that, folks, as you go to bed tonight.
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