Accomplished radio host—and almost Governor of California—Larry Elder stopped by The Babylon Bee studio to talk about being the black face of white supremacy and to give his thoughts on the recall campaign, that gorilla lady who threw eggs at him, and whether the future of California is truly hopeless. Editor-in-Chief Kyle Mann and Adam Yenser ask the questions in this hard-hitting Babylon Bee interview before inviting Larry to blow off some steam with some eggs we found. This episode is brought to you by the precious metals experts we trust at Allegiance Gold. Get $500 in free silver with a qualifying purchase: https://allegiancegold.com/bee
Today we are having an interview with Larry the Elder.
The almost governor of California.
Almost governor of California.
You might have to introduce him like that.
He's also an accomplished radio host.
He's been on the radio for years.
He's wrote a book.
He's a great guy.
We had a really fun time talking to him.
It's like on the Babylon B, whenever I say Hillary Clinton, I say failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
That's always how I just introduced him.
But he was almost governor, actually.
Almost governor.
If the media had not called him the blackface of white supremacy, I think he would have won.
So this is a real treat.
Larry Elder was just great to talk to.
He's awesome.
Yeah.
We had a really fun time talking to him.
He brought us on his show later in the week.
He's a great guy.
It's full of jokes and it's full of yokes.
As you will see at the end of the podcast, there is a special treat for you to hang in there till the end.
So let's talk to him.
Larry Elder, of course, you can check him out everywhere.
He's like more famous than us.
I feel like the Larry Elder Show on Salem Radio.
Yeah.
Larry Elder Show, check him out.
He's got all kinds of stuff you can check out.
Yeah, we grew up listening to Larry Elder on the radio.
So, and so this is amazing for me.
Appreciate it.
Being here with you.
So you've been a radio host since 1993.
I think radio 1994, and I've done TV since 1986.
Yeah.
In fact, I started in TV before radio.
Yeah.
So, you know, a lot of, you know, most recently, running against Governor Newsom in the recall.
That was an interesting adventure.
It sure was.
Only in America can you become president of the United States and also be called the black face of white supremacy.
It's a great country or what?
Yeah.
Well, that gave us our episode title because that's what we're going to call this, an interview with the black face of white supremacy.
We're here with a bona fide white supremacist.
It's ridiculous.
And you know, Joe Biden prides himself on nominating the first black justice, female justice to the Supreme Court.
And it was a black female who called me the black face of white supremacy.
Oh, yeah.
It was a Latina who called my views white supremacist.
And I don't think any white person in my campaign ever said anything that vulgar.
So the whole idea about nominating somebody because of his or her race is offensive to me.
Justice John Roberts, when he was having his confirmation, the guy who became Chief Justice, said the job of a justice is to call balls and strikes.
By following Joe Biden's logic, if I'm a black baseball pitcher or baseball batter, I should have a black umpire calling the balls and strikes.
If I'm a Latin baseball player, Latin pitcher, I should have a Latin umpire calling the balls and strikes.
Whole thing is offensive.
Now, when the left does stuff like this, like they're they've used the issue of race and racism as like a political bludgeon for decades now.
When they do something as ridiculous as call you the black face of white supremacy, do you think that people are starting to wake up more to how ridiculous and absurd this is?
Or are they still gaining more?
Adam, I wish I could say yes.
When I had a couple of pretty intense interviews with the LA Times, they're all on YouTube.
Yeah.
My first thing out of the gate was, are you guys okay with the fact that one of your colleagues referred to me as the black face of white supremacy?
Well, you know, we don't really comment on our other colleagues.
I said, if I'm with Salem, if one of my hosts on my team said something that vulgar, I'd be asked about it by the media, and they'd hammer me for not having an opinion.
You have no opinion about the fact that one of your staffers down the hall from you referred to Larry Elder as a black face of white supremacy.
Well, I just want to, the silence on the part of the media colleagues bothered me more than the statement.
And, you know, you just think maybe that somebody might say, this is a little too far.
We should say something about this, but they don't.
And that's the thing that gets me.
And regarding, Adam, this whole business about the left and race.
If you follow the campaign, I never once suggested anybody should vote for me because I'm black, nor did I suggest anybody should vote against me because I'm black.
And when the New York Times wrote a negative piece about my campaign, and it was real negative, they never once mentioned that I'm black and never once mentioned that if I won, I would have been the first black governor of California.
And I'm fine with that.
It's about time we start talking about people's qualifications or lack thereof and not their race, gender, religion.
But the same day, Adam, same newspaper, big article equally long about the first black female, I'm sorry, the first female governor of New York.
So the fact that she had a D at the end of her name made her being first relevant.
I got an R at the end of my name and I stopped being black.
It's an amazing thing.
It's like identity is only relevant when it helps their politics.
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Right.
I was just looking at, before I came over here, preparing for my radio show, an article about some guy who beat a woman in New York.
She was getting ready to get into her apartment, and he comes into her behind her and hits her 125 times.
I saw that article too.
Yeah, just the video.
And if you look at the articles, CNN, the New York Times, a bunch of them, they don't mention the race of the victim nor the race of the assailant.
About a couple weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago, there was a FedEx driver in Mississippi who got shot at by two guys.
A headline, black FedEx driver gets shot at by two white men.
So it's relevant when the victim is a black person and when the attacker is white.
But when the victim is Asian American and the attacker is black, it's just woman gets hit, black, woman gets hit, person hits her.
And this is how they roll.
Now, someone like you, you're like an important voice because you just speak to the facts, I feel like, and all these things.
What's very hard is you, as a black person, it's like, as much as the left still hates you for saying this stuff, you can make those arguments.
It's hard for sort of either a white conservative or just a reasonable person to make these points because they will be attacked.
This is race.
I disagree, Adam.
That's one of the problems.
And I have lots of white friends, unfortunately.
Come on.
Well, the country's 60% white.
What are you going to do?
And I tell them the same thing.
I said, you can say the same thing I'm saying.
They go, well, I can't say what you're saying.
I said, that's the problem.
But I don't think you can't say it.
But do you think that they will be attacked as racist for it by the way?
Of course you will.
And I'm the attack as an Uncle Tom.
So it's the same dance that they pull.
Tell the truth.
Malcolm X once said, I'm for the truth no matter who's telling it.
And that's how I feel.
And I think that when white people are called racist, as they are all the time, rather than defend yourself, they go into some little shell.
And it implies that maybe the charge might be accurate.
So I've told all my friends, no matter the race they are, you feel that you're offended by something and you feel that you are being unfairly maligned, you should defend yourself.
Otherwise, we have this problem because they know.
I've said this before.
There's a guy named Ibram X. Kendi.
I'm sure you know who he is.
He's the one running around talking about he's an anti-race, a big CRT guy.
And I'm watching video where somebody, and it's a large crowd, looks like maybe a couple hundred people.
And from what I can tell, the audience is predominantly white.
And somebody asked him to define what racism is.
And he says something like, I'm going to mangle this, but he said something like, well, systemic racism is when you have systems that are systemically racist and produce systemically racist outcomes.
People laughed kind of like the way you're doing it because they thought he was joking.
He wasn't.
And he repeated it.
And then somebody said, when you say that again, he repeated it almost verbatim.
And I'm looking at all of this.
He made no sense.
Nobody challenged it.
And this is a quote that's often attributed erroneously to Albert Einstein, who allegedly said compound interest is the greatest force in the universe.
Whoever said compound interest is the greatest force in the universe has never encountered white guilt.
That is the greatest force in the universe.
And all these people sitting there, all these white people going, yeah, well, I guess systemic racism is systemically racist systems that produce systemically racist outcomes.
I have no idea what they admit, but he said it the same thing.
I'm trying to make a white voice very offensive.
I've been working on it.
I knew I was coming here.
I got to have this new stuff.
And have you heard Richard Richard the comedian?
Pryor.
Richard Pryor, thank you.
Richard Pryor's white voice.
And Eddie Murphy's.
I think mine is at least.
But they just sat there and took it.
And it was just the most ridiculous thing.
And this whole systemically racist thing, I mean, Barack Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote than did John Kerry four years earlier.
When he walked into the Oval Office the third week of January 2009 for his first year, his approval ratings had gone up to 70%.
I mean, the guy won with 52%.
So a whole bunch of people suddenly began to pull for him, even though they didn't vote for him.
And now we're talking about systemic racism.
It's absurd.
And he knows it's a lie.
That's what really bothers me about him.
If he and I were having a private conversation here, I bet you he and I, if he were being honest, would complete each other's sentences.
When I first saw him, it was in Boston, 2004.
I was covering the convention when John Kerry got nominated.
So this black guy with funny ears and funny name comes out and gives his speech and he brings down the house.
I turned to my producer and I said, I don't know who this guy is, but someday he's going to run for president and someday he's probably going to get elected.
It wasn't until a couple years later that he announced for presidency.
He's on 60 Minutes giving his first interview.
Am I talking too much?
No, there is great.
The less we have to say is better.
He's on 60 Minutes giving his first interview.
Steve Croft was the correspondent.
And he said, and Obama was not at the time the frontrunner, but he was gaining on Hillary.
Otherwise, he wouldn't have had him on.
And he said, Senator, if you don't win, will it be because of racism?
And I said, let me see what this guy says.
And Senator Obama said, no.
If I don't win, it will be because I've not articulated a vision that the American people can embrace.
And I said, oh my goodness, this is a different kind of Democrat.
Not going to vote for him.
I don't vote for tax, spend, regulate, soft on National Security Democrats, and they all are like that.
But at least this guy is not what I call a victor.
He's not going to be picking up the race card.
The man gets into office, one race card after another after another.
The Cambridge police acted stupidly.
No, they didn't.
If I had a son, they looked like Trayvon.
I don't even know what that means.
Racism is in America's DNA.
The first time I think one of the major polls, I think it was Gallup, asked Americans if they would vote for a black person, it was in the 50s.
Only 38% or so said yes.
Fast forward now, only 4% of white people said they would not vote for somebody black if they thought he or she was qualified.
DNA doesn't change.
Obviously, America's DNA changed.
He embraced the Black Lives Matter movement.
He gave a speech before the United Nations and said something to the effect of, we have our own problems in America.
There's a place called Ferguson.
Well, Ferguson was a lie.
Michael Brown did not have his hands up, did not say don't shoot.
The whole idea that the Ferguson PD was systemically racist is a lie.
The idea that the police are engaging in systemic racism is a lie.
There's a Harvard economist, black, named Roland Fryer, who's from the hood, and he just assumed that the police were using deadly force against black people just because they were black.
And he did a study on it, hired researchers, and he was shocked at the conclusion, didn't believe it, got rid of those researchers, hired a second set of researchers, came back with the same conclusion.
If anything, the police are more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than a white suspect.
He was shocked.
And the reason for that is because if you're a white cop and you kill somebody black, whether you feel that you were justified in doing it or not, there'll be huge scrutiny and you're going to become the next Derek Chauvin.
And so the police are pulling back.
And bad guys know it.
And as a result, crime is going up.
There are hundreds of people who have been murdered because of this lie who otherwise would be alive.
And so Obama is not just playing the race card for politics.
He's doing a great deal of damage and causing a great deal of bloodshed.
And he has to know it.
He's too smart not to know it.
He's read the same studies I've read.
Did you vote for Joe Biden?
She's black, you know?
I forgot about that.
Yeah.
I mean, how condescending is this guy?
For 30 years, this man has been talking about how he would go to black churches when he was in Wilmington, Delaware, and figure out how to move to desegregate movie theaters and restaurants in Wilmington.
There is zero evidence he ever did any of it.
The New York Times looked into it, and there's no evidence of it whatsoever.
Jake Tapper on CNN talked about this investigation and said that Joe Biden staffers over the years had gently reminded him that his formulation was false and he should stop saying it.
And Biden said he would stop and kept saying it anyway.
He also lied and said that every single one of my races, the NAACP has endorsed me.
Well, the NAACP is a nonprofit.
They cannot legally endorse anybody and they haven't.
He also said that he was with Andy Young, the first black ambassador to the United Nations, former congressman from Georgia.
He and Andy Young were in Africa during apartheid and they were arrested trying to visit Nelson Mandela.
Again, never happened.
They went to Andy Young and said, were you with Joe in this?
He goes, no, no.
So you're telling us Joe Biden's memory might not all be there?
Who does it?
And get to waive it.
Remember, he said that Obama is the first clean African American, and he gave a speech, Joe Biden did, during 2012 during the campaign.
And there were a lot of blacks in the audience.
And he said, Mitt Romney does not want to impose the kinds of regulations on Wall Street that I think should be imposed.
He wants to unchain Wall Street, wants to put y'all back in chains.
I mean, how offensive and condescending is that?
And we're supposed to believe that this guy got more black votes in Atlanta, in Philadelphia, in Detroit, in Cleveland in 2020 than Barack Obama.
And we're not supposed to raise questions about that.
Otherwise, we get canceled because we're conspiracy theorists or we're sore losers.
Well, Sid, you brought up that conspiracy.
I'm curious.
Are you someone who believes that Biden, the votes were?
Do you want your episode to be canceled?
I'm just curious because I'm interested by it because it's something that I think the numbers are something that are worth being skeptical of.
The problem is I haven't seen hard evidence that proves that it was faked or raised.
And that's why the mainstream media is able to get away with maligning anybody that raises questions as conspiracy theorists and as sore losers.
Let me answer this way.
Sure.
It's going to be kind of a lengthy answer, if that's all right.
That's all good.
I'm running, and I was asked out of the gate how I felt about 2020, as if that has to do with crime and homelessness and the fact that people are leaving California for the first time and the way this man, Gavin Newsom, shut down the state, ignoring science, poor water management, poor fire management.
These are the issues I ran on.
But what they asked me over and over again was, how do you feel about 2020?
How do you feel about 20?
Because they wanted to malign me as somebody who was a sore loser and a conspiracy theorist, and then they can just write me off as extremists.
And frequently, I would try to get back to the issues.
And if you do that, then Elder is afraid to answer hard questions.
So you can't win.
And so I said to them, just one time, would you ask my opponent, Gavin Newsom, if he feels 2016 was stolen?
And I had this deer in the headlight look.
Well, why would I want to do that?
Chris Salizza is the politics editor of CNN.
He's a ridiculous person.
And he did a big thing on TV and wrote an article about the percentage of Republicans who believe 2020 was stolen.
74%, I think it was.
Even 74 or 76, something like that.
And I mentioned that.
Gallup asked Democrats if they felt that the Russian interference changed the outcome of the election in 2016.
78% of them said yes, even though the head of Homeland Security, Jay Johnson, testified under oath.
We have no idea whether or not the Russian interference changed the outcome of the election.
We have to be mind readers.
They took out some ads that were pro-Hillary ads and pro-Trump ads.
They took out some ads that were anti-black, pro-black.
All they wanted to do was stir dissent.
We have no idea whether or not the Russian interference changed the outcome.
Gallup poll, 78% of Democrats believe the Russian interference, quote, changed the outcome of the election.
More importantly, Jay Johnson testified under oath that the Russians tried mightily to change vote tallies, to hack voting machines, to change vote tallies.
There's no evidence they changed a single vote tally, not one.
According to a YouGov poll respected, 66% of Democrats believe the Russians, quote, change vote tallies, close quote, in order for Donald Trump to win.
In other words, more Democrats believe the 2016 election was stolen than Republicans who believe 2020 was stolen.
But nobody asked anybody.
Hillary.
Do you have stats written on your arm somewhere?
I'm just going to give you Sandy Colfax's ERA.
I'm full of stuff.
That doesn't really matter.
But ask me what I had for dinner last night, and I can't tell you.
Hillary, for four years, referred to Donald Trump as having stolen the election, her word, not mine, and referred to Donald Trump as illegitimate.
In other words, she'd been spreading the big lie about 2016, but her social media platforms have never been shut down.
But Donald Trump, the former president of the United States, can't go on social media and communicate, but Hillary can.
It's outrageous.
Now, about 2020, several things.
The first thing is that Donald Trump had negative news his whole presidency.
I think ABC, NBC, CBS, according to some study Media Research Center did, 90% or so of the news of Donald Trump was negative.
Best economy ever.
The borders were secured.
Inflation was negligible.
Got us out of a bunch of bad things like the climate change accord and the Iran deal.
And his coverage was 90% negative because they didn't like him as a person.
He sent out bad tweets and he insulted people and they thought he was a racist.
The two and a half year collusion thing proved to be complete BS.
And for God's sake, the Hunter Biden story that broke a few days before the election was not only suppressed, but the New York Post couldn't even retweet their own article because they were banned from Twitter.
Even the CEO of Twitter at the time, Jack Dorsey, admitted later on they shouldn't have done this.
So those things alone.
Then you add other things.
In Pennsylvania, they use COVID as an excuse to accept ballots beyond the deadline.
Two left-wing professors, Alan Dershowitz and a guy named Jonathan Turley, who teaches at George Washington University, Dershowitz, of course, Harvard.
Both of them said that this was wrong.
And Alan Dershowitz predicted on television that the U.S. Supreme Court would take up the Trump challenge to Pennsylvania and that he would win the case.
Well, the Supreme Court didn't take up the challenge and Donald Trump didn't win the case.
But you have two bright left-wing professors, both of whom voted for Obama twice, saying this.
That's Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.
The Donald Trump lawsuit against Wisconsin, largely because of the drop boxes that were used all over the state, went all the way up to the U.S., to the Wisconsin Supreme Court, and they ruled four to three against picking it up on procedural matters.
But there were three dissents, one filed by the Chief Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, and she said that there was no law that allowed all these drop boxes to be put all over the state.
And then you look at Michigan.
The Michigan Supreme Court did not take up the appellate case, but the appellate case was ruled two to one, again, on procedural grounds, not to take up the case, but there was a dissent filed saying that the Secretary of State in Michigan used COVID to mail in application for mail-in ballots to every registered voter, whether the voter requested one or not.
And the dissent said this was illegal.
My point is, you got three very closely contested states.
The courts could have gone the other way.
And had they gone the other way, just those three states alone, Donald Trump would have won clearly.
There's a political analyst on MSNBHA, which is what I call it, named Steve Carnacky.
And he said 40,000 votes in three states would have shifted the vote to Donald Trump clearly.
So I think there were shenanigans that were going on.
And I read Molly Hemingway's book called Rigged about the $419.5 million that Zuckerberg spent to get out the vote when he was spending it craftily to make sure he got out the vote in areas that would help Democrats and hurt Donald Trump.
You add it all up.
And finally, one more thing I'll say.
There's a documentary that's going to be coming out soon called 2,000 Mules.
It's being produced by Denise D'Souza.
And I've seen some footage of it.
And he's got people on tape in various cities like Philadelphia, Atlanta, Detroit, Cleveland, very important cities.
Ironically, all of whom have a lot of black voters who vote for Joe Biden.
And he's got people on videotape going from Dropbox to Dropbox to Dropbox with a stack of ballots stuffing them.
Now, I have no idea whether or not there was enough to have changed the outcome of the election, but to say this was the safest, cleanest election ever, which is what the left says, it's horse bleep.
Well, it's really discouraging here in California.
You know, what was it, 60% voted no on the recall.
And we see the mail-in balance going to everybody in the state.
And I just don't know how you overcome that kind of massive voting turnout.
And I've never said that I thought my election was stolen.
I never said that I thought it was corrupt.
But I will tell you, it's amazing to me that he can be underwater on virtually every issue, crime, homelessness, the quality of our public schools, the way he shut down the state, ignoring science, had his own kids enjoying in-person education.
And yet he ended up winning the recall by the same margin as he won his election.
However, he spent 50% more per vote to keep his job than he did to get his job.
He spent about $9 per vote to keep his job.
He spent about $6 per vote to get his job.
I spent about $5 per vote.
And as you know, it was a two-step deal.
The first part is 50% plus one of the voters had to vote to recall him.
And the second part is whoever got the highest number to replace him would become governor.
I got 49% of the vote.
That was more than the other 45 people on the replacement side combined.
I raised in seven weeks because I got in with just eight weeks left.
I wasn't trying to be strategic.
I didn't know if I wanted to do it.
I never run for anything before.
Third grade class president.
Yes, I won that race.
Was it rigged?
I won that race.
I can't remember what the agenda was, but I don't think it was climate change.
But I raised $22 million in about seven weeks.
Running for third grade?
Oh, no.
That's seven weeks.
That's more than all the major Republican rivals combined.
There are 58 counties in California.
And on the replacement side, I carried 57.
The only one I didn't carry was San Francisco.
And we lost that by 149 votes and didn't spend one dime or one minute campaigning there.
It was an extraordinary campaign by any stretch of the imagination.
And he still won by that same margin.
And if you look at where he is right now, right now, he's got 48%.
In the recall time, September 14, the day of the recall, he had 50% popularity, but still won by 24 points.
As I said, same margin as he won his job.
But if you look at all the issues, he's underwater.
And the reason for this is because California Democrats and Independents, despite their concern about crime, despite their concern about homelessness, despite their concern about the cost of living, the average price of a home in California is 175% above the national average.
They're all concerned about that, but they just can't bring themselves to pull that lever for a Republican, especially somebody who voted for Trump.
I'm in a restaurant a few days ago, and I got early.
Was it the French laundry?
No, it was a restaurant on the west side, not French Laundry.
And as you know, primarily a liberal area, as is all of L.A., but especially the west side.
So I got there early.
My buddy hadn't gotten there yet.
So I'm sitting there and there's two old ladies.
I'll be 70 in April.
So I don't know if I can still call somebody old, but it turned out they were 85 years old.
They'd known each other since they were in the second grade.
One was celebrating her birthday.
They were both Jewish that came up.
One was a human rights activist.
The other one was a psychotherapist.
And we're having a conversation.
And then finally, one of them says, I know you.
Didn't you run for governor?
And I said, yes.
And she said, guess who I voted for?
I said, you didn't vote for me.
And she said, how do you know that?
I said, let's see.
We're in the west side of L.A. You're Jewish.
One, your friend is a human rights activist.
Read the clues.
And they admitted they didn't vote for me.
And it was still a pleasant conversation.
And I said, how do you feel about the crime?
Oh, it's outrageous.
It's out of control.
It's up 40% year to year.
And I said, how do you feel about the homelessness?
Oh, it's ridiculous.
I believe the human rights activist said, I believe if we provide enough housing and care for people who are mentally ill or have drug abuse, they should be removed from the streets.
I said, that's the same position I had when I was running.
I was told that I was harsh and cold.
And she said, that's not harsh and cold.
And we have the money for doing that.
We were completing each other's sentences on every issue.
And I said, now I'll tell you guys why you didn't vote for me.
And I said, because you cannot bring yourself to pull the lever for a Republican, especially one who voted for Donald Trump.
They look at each other and they laugh and they said, you're right.
I said, is that rational?
And they said, what are you drinking?
They bought me two drinks.
They bought my lobster dinner.
So I ended up getting about $100 meal out of these two ladies.
But my point is, I could tell they had never had a conversation with someone like me.
Because I wasn't being clever or anything.
I just asked a few questions.
And they conceded that I was right on every issue, that they agree with me on every issue, but it was emotional.
And they asked me, well, how do you feel about abortion?
I said, well, you know how I feel about it.
I'm pro-life.
And they said, well, we're adamantly pro-choice.
And I said, and how is that relevant?
If I got elected governor, everybody in Sacramento, super majority Democrats, they all feel the same way you feel about abortion.
What are the odds I'm going to have some sort of bill restricting abortion on my desk?
What are the odds?
Zero.
So because of something that would never ever happen, you wouldn't pull the lever for me, even though I have an idea what to do about all these issues you're concerned about.
And even they acknowledged it was not rational.
And so that's California.
The good news is, guys, they tried the same playbook in Virginia.
What are you doing over there?
What are you guys doing when I'm doing that?
Larry Kirby there.
Larry Kirby there.
Censor that quit.
Censor that answer.
So, Kyle, in Virginia, what they did in my race, they brought in Bernie Sanders cut a commercial.
Stop Republican takeover.
Barack Obama cut a commercial.
Stop Republican takeover.
Warren, stop Republican takeover.
I could tell he was scared when he was getting Obama to come in.
And then Biden flies in and campaigns with them.
And they said, I think Biden said, Larry Elder is more Trump than Trump, whatever that means.
And they never said anything like this.
Gavin Newsom is doing a great job for the people of California.
They never said that.
Their line was stop Republican takeover.
Well, they tried the same crap in Virginia, except they're very different electoral landscape.
Here in California in 2003, when Arnold Schwarzenegger won the first and only successful recall election, since then, there are now 5% more registered Democrats.
There were 50% more registered independents and independents in California vote Democrat.
Even the New York Times said that.
There were 33% fewer registered Republicans.
And still at 49%, I got about the same, if not a little bit more, than what Schwarzenegger did on the replacement side.
But in Virginia, the electoral map is very different.
And the Republican and Democrat had to debate.
I tried to get Gavin Newsom to debate me, and of course he wouldn't do it.
And the media are more fair out there.
You don't have reporters running around referring to Winsom Sears as the black face of white supremacy, although there were some nasty things that were said.
Nobody said anything like that.
So they tried the same number.
They said, all you have to do is just yell Republican, Republican, Republican, and you'll win.
And they tried that.
In fact, during the debate that Juncken had with McAuliffe, after about 20, 25 minutes, Juncken said, you know, this debate's been going on for 25 minutes.
And you've mentioned Trump five times.
When are you going to talk about the issues?
That's exactly what I would have done to Newsom had we had a debate.
And of course, he didn't want to have a debate.
And the media put no pressure on him to do so.
And all that's so interesting, because as a Californian, that's like what was so disheartening about it is like, California is such a great state, but it's run so terribly.
It's a beautiful state.
My goodness.
It's just astonishing when the issues you're talking about, the homelessness, the crime, the fact that businesses and people are leaving this state in droves, the way they handled the COVID lockdowns, how people can experience all that and then still walk out to the polls and vote for Gavin Newsome again.
It's like, what is it?
I think, Adam, one of the problems is a lot of my voters have already left.
There are about 300,000 people that have left California on net in the last couple of years, and they took their votes with them.
I'm not saying all of them were Republicans, but a lot of them probably were.
So along those lines of people leaving, do you think there is ever any hope for California turning right again or a Republican winning a major office here?
Is there astronomy?
Yeah, yeah.
To paraphrase Adam, exactly how effed are we?
Yes, exactly.
How bleeped are we?
You know, Adam, it's bad.
I've said this on the campaign because what you're asking, of course, is a $64,000 question.
What does it take?
And it'll take California, like a drug addict, to hit rock bottom.
What's rock bottom?
Rock bottom is when a homeless guy takes a dump on your front lawn, provided your front lawn is in Malibu or Hancock Park or Beverly Hills.
And that's starting to happen.
You heard about that music mogul, Motown music mogul, whose wife was murdered in Beverly Hills.
He's in his 80s.
So if I go take a dump in front of rich people's homes, will it help us take that California?
There are some sacrifices.
The fact that you didn't do that is why I lost.
And that woman, UCLA graduate student, who was at the furniture store by herself in Hancock Park, which is the same place where Maxine Warders has her $4 million mansion.
She was murdered.
And so the crime is now starting to come to suburban areas.
When I ran, Gavin Newsom put out an SOS to Hollywood.
There was a big article about it in the Hollywood Reporter.
Gavin Newsom asked his Hollywood friends to step up, and he asked people like Snoop Dogg, who's got 14 million people on Twitter to tweet something negative.
And he got all these people in Hollywood to rally around him.
And one of the issues, of course, was crime and getting rid of this soft on crime DA named Gavin Newsom, the only county DA.
Well, guess who's now contributing money in the recall effort to get rid of Gavin Newsom?
The very same people that gave money during the recall election to keep Gavin Newsom's job.
They've now realized that the crime is coming to them and they've done a 180.
So I'm tempted to say we're getting close.
But again, during the recall, he was at 50%.
Right now he's at 48% and he held his job by 24 points.
So, and by the way, when the race was over, can I get a little thing off my chest?
Absolutely.
Thank you.
When the race was over, and during the race, I didn't realize, I knew I was going to be running against Gavin Newsom, obviously.
I knew I was going to be running against the media, clearly.
I knew I was going to be running against all these special interests, teachers union, big tech, public sector unions, Hollywood.
But I didn't realize I was going to be running against my Republican rivals.
I really didn't.
I was that naive.
When I sat down with my campaign team, again, never having run for office before, I said, you know, guys, this is a two-step deal.
Unless 50% plus one voters vote to recall Gavin Newsom, it doesn't matter what we do on the recall side.
So we agreed not to say a single negative thing about any of my Republican rivals.
And it wasn't because I thought I was going to be the frontrunner.
I was shocked when I became the frontrunner, and my lead only increased during the eight weeks that remained in the campaign.
But I never said one word about Kevin Kiley or about Kevin Faulkner or about Caitlin Jenner or about John Cox who ran against him the first time or about a guy named Dan Olsy.
These are the major Republican rivals.
But each one of them during the campaign took a shot at me for various reasons.
And when the race was over, reporter from the UK Sacramento, UK Spectator, which is a conservative newspaper, one of the oldest, by the way, in the world, oldest conservative newspapers in the world.
He comes to L.A. and he sits down with me.
We have a long interview.
He interviewed virtually every one of my Republican rivals, and they all had criticisms.
Elder was too in bed with the pro-life movement.
Elder embraced the evangelicals, turned off Californians.
Elder was too harsh about his position on homelessness.
They all had criticisms about how I handle it.
Elder made it too much about him.
And so I said to the, this is about a month ago or so, the deadline for filing for the election was two days ago to run against Gavin Newsome in November.
I said, okay, let's find out how many of these dudes and dudettes throw their hats or purses into the ring since they know the secret sauce.
They know the magic formula.
All Elder had to do was X, Y, and Z, and he would have won.
Let's find out how many of them go for a rematch against Gavin Newsom.
Not a single one did.
Not Kevin Faulkner, who said some very negative things about me during the campaign, two-term mayor of San Diego.
I won his county by 30 points.
Not Kevin Kiley, who ultimately said some negative things.
He's a very, very bright assemblyman, wrote a book about why Gavin Newsome should be recalled, which I read thoroughly during the campaign.
He decided to run in the recall election.
He lost Sacramento County by about 20 points.
Caitlin Jenner, who has higher name recognition than I did, also urged me to drop out of the race because of some allegations somebody made.
I think she got 2% of the vote.
None of the people that criticized me during the campaign and after the campaign and said all Elder had to do was X, Y, and Z, none of them decided to run again.
Pour qui.
Because we ran a really good campaign and they know they couldn't have done any better.
Now that the campaign is over, will you say one negative thing about each of your Republican opponents?
I just did.
I just did.
Now, I'm asking a question I think is on the other side.
By the way, I'm writing a book about the campaign and I am talking about some of the things that they said, but I didn't say one word during the campaign and I stuck to that.
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I'm not playing this game to put us into a circular firing squad that'll give Gavin Newsome tape to use against me.
I'm not doing that.
I have an important question that I think was on a lot of people's minds.
Does Relief Factor really work?
Are you ever going to flee California?
Was saying goodbye to my campaign staff.
And that's when it got to me.
That's when I started crying.
What was it like to actually be attacked by a deranged liberal woman throwing it?
You get to add one book to the Bible.
What is it?
Wow.
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