Kyle and Ethan talk to pro-life activist Lila Rose from Live Action about opposition to her organization, politicians gaslighting, and fostering a culture of life. Watch Kyle and Ethan get owned by facts and logic and be told their jokes are bad. You can listen to Lila Rose on her new podcast: The Lila Rose Show! The Lila Rose Show explores questions about relationships, work, health, identity, purpose, and faith, with political and cultural commentary. Also follow Live Action on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube. Topics Discussed Lila has a new podcast to promote How did Live Action get started Taking on Anti-Abortion "Lies" Parenting challenges like when one child makes themself vomit all over the kitchen from scarfing down hot chocolate packets while you are attempting to have the smaller toddler have their nap time. Pranking Planned Parenthood Deciding on what is the funniest dog When they lit up WTC One Pink to celebrate the new abortion bill in New York state that allows late third trimester abortions Politicians gaslighting about how sacred life is despite their policies Kyle and Ethan get jabbed at for their Protestantism in the subscriber portion when they ask Lila The Ten Questions. To watch or listen to the full length podcast, become a paid subscriber at https://babylonbee.com/plans
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Yeah, so we got a huge guest today because if you ever heard of abortion, well, nobody fights it harder than Lila Rose.
Not huge physically, but like huge.
Yeah.
I was going to say, guys, this is not off to a good start.
Have you ever seen those videos of James O'Keefe where he sneaks into Planned Parenthood and totally punks them?
There's one where he was like a pimp and he had his like his girl with him.
That was you, right?
Was that you?
Well, you're actually, to set the record straight, since I do not share fake news, I know that's your business.
It was actually I trained a pimp, someone to pose as a pimp, and I trained someone to pose as a prostitute or another pimp alongside him to, yes, to go into Planned Parenthood.
James did that and went into Acorn, which is a little different.
Oh, wait, so those are different.
I read Wikipedia.
That was my problem.
And I skimmed it.
I skimmed Wikipedia.
That's dangerous.
Okay.
So that was your whole thing.
So you trained a pimp.
Well, not a real one, but yes.
So what did you research?
Well, it was years in the making because I had been researching the abortion industry since really high school.
And there's a lot of horrible, horrible stuff that happens in the abortion industry alongside, of course, that killing of the child.
But women and girls are treated terribly.
And one of those aspects are the sexual abuse cover-up and even the aiding and abetting of sex traffickers at abortion facilities.
And so we wanted to further expose that live inside of abortion facilities.
And that's why we did investigative reporting.
And we created these scenarios that are very lifelike of actual sex ring bosses who are going into abortion facilities and they are asking for abortions, free birth, low-cost birth control for their underage sex slaves.
And Planned Parenthood is all too delighted to help them out.
So the guy walks in there in his big, like wide pink hat with his giant feathers hitting the doorway.
And he's like, oh, yeah, my daughter.
Didn't exactly look that way because that is a more fiction than fact.
I like it.
You said that it took years to train the pimp.
Well, years of research.
Years of research.
Yeah.
Just watching pretty woman a lot.
Pretty woman is not accurate.
I mean, that's not not, and again, more fake news.
More fake news.
Sad.
So how did you guys doctor those videos?
Yeah.
Well, we released the full footage for the public to see.
I was assured they were doctor.
It was more.
Well, actually, who ended up doctoring it, interestingly, was CNN and a few other news groups that reported just a little bit.
They didn't report very much because they don't like reporting on anything that has to do with exposing the abortion industry.
But when CNN and some of the other news groups did report on our investigative findings, they doctored our footage and just showed parts without any audio to kind of explain that we were going undercover and then went on to attack live action and me.
So I think that's the most doctoring that that footage endured.
It's absolutely crazy to me that they're so like pro-journalism, pro-truth, and that's what they say.
And then you actually have a video that's actual investigative journalism.
Like we're just going in there and filming what somebody is saying.
Right.
And they used to do all that kind of stuff.
Like, I don't know if they still do, but they did all those shows, like, I don't know, nightline and date line and 60 minutes undercover to find out what they put on your McDonald's cheeseburger or whatever.
They still do.
They still, you know, it's so crazy, too.
I mean, I know we're both in California.
They are, there are groups that are still doing investigative undercover reporting in California.
Like there was recently footage that was captured by local news groups of weed dispensaries, of a chiropractor's office, and they were releasing their stories.
And, you know, California politicians were saying, oh, this is so horrible, what they discovered, the fraud or the abuse.
And meanwhile, you know, my friend David Delight and Susan Merritt do the same investigative reporting in California, but of the abortion, of abortion clinics selling baby body parts.
And what happens to them?
The California politicians literally take them to court and are criminally prosecuting them instead of the abortion facilities.
So that's California right now.
Yeah, I was watching these videos where people were, the Planned Parenthood people, are offering to sell body parts.
And, you know, the commentary from the news media is like, that is not what they are doing.
They are not selling body parts.
And I'm like, I'm watching.
Yeah, they're literally doing it.
I just watched that happen.
But I've been assured that that's not the case.
I saw that the Planned Parenthood claimed that jokes on you guys, we called the FBI right after you guys went out the door and like, what's the evidence that they did that?
Because they could just say that and nobody could prove it.
Well, there's actually no evidence that they called the police.
So first of all, if you suspect a sexual abuse cover up of a minor, there's actually a mandated reporting line that you're supposed to call.
And the reason what happened was they didn't call when they were supposed to because they actually, as you can see in our footage, Planned Parenthood workers in several different states instead told our investigator whether there was a sex abuse victim or it was the actual abuser representing himself for getting the services for the abuse victim, the services.
Obviously, abortion is a killing of a child.
But I'm parenthed workers instead, and even managers, we talked to even managers, said that they would cover, they would not report it.
They would not tell anyone.
They advised the abuse victim or the abuser how to hide the fact that there was abuse happening.
And there were no reports made, not a single report made to police within the timeframe that would have been appropriate.
Instead, what happened once Planned Parenthood got suspicious that they were being investigated by live action, then they did this big rigmarole.
Let's call the FBI.
Oh my gosh, it's such a big deal because they wanted to report not sex traffickers, but report live action.
So that's the ironic part about it is there are no reports made for abusers or on behalf of the abuse victims that we were showing in their facilities.
They covered it up.
And then weeks later, once they figured out that maybe they were being investigated, that's when they called the FBI and that was their report to say that they thought they were being investigated.
So yeah, I mean, it's one deception after the next at Planned Parenthood.
But that shouldn't surprise us because they are the biggest abortion chain.
They're killing over 900 children a day, a third of all U.S. abortions.
They're the most abusive organization, I believe, in American history.
So the fact that they're going to lie to law enforcement, they're going to lie to the American public about claiming they talk to law enforcement, that shouldn't surprise us.
Yeah, but Lila, if you don't have a uterus, then you don't get an opinion.
So cancel.
So well, okay.
All right, guys.
I'm glad you think I should have an opinion.
Yeah, what if we disagreed with her?
We wouldn't be allowed to, right?
And I won't judge either of you because for uteruses.
So I won't deprive you of your freedom to speak.
So you are, you made this organization called Live Action.
You make these videos.
Have you ever thought of making a live action movie or would it be animated?
Like a live action, live action film?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'd like to one day.
I think that would be awesome.
Live action, the animated series.
Yeah, you make it animated and make it really confusing.
We could do both.
People going back and forth.
Wait, is it live action or is it animated?
I don't understand.
Yeah, it could be like Space Jam where you have like the Looney Tunes and cross it over.
Yeah, a little crossover.
So what is I'll be sure to call you guys for your consulting when I get there?
So what is live action and what do you guys do to stop all the baby killing?
Sure.
So live action is one of the world's largest pro-life organizations and our core mission is to end abortion and build a culture of life through changing hearts and minds because we believe that if we can show people the truth about abortion, what it does to that baby, how it harms women, families, society, then we can change the tide on this and we can actually end abortion.
So a lot of our work is education and educational in nature.
We reach millions of people every week.
We have the largest following for the pro-life movement or the pro-abortion movement for that matter, millions of people following us online.
And we're investigating the abortion industry.
We're exposing the truth and we're also championing the beautiful stories and victories of the movement and what all the good that is happening on behalf of human life.
Awesome.
So I was doing a little searching and there I found this list of anti-abortion lies according to Planned Parenthood and their defenders.
So these are the lies that are perpetuated by people like yourself to perpetuate your agenda, your selfish, disgusting agenda of wanting to not kill babies.
So you want to take some of these lies on?
Got it.
Let's do it.
Okay.
Get ready because these are, this isn't, you know, this is black.
I'm shaking in my boots over here, guys.
Okay.
My bare feet boots that I'm sitting in my kitchen with.
So this is a quote.
The quote is, one of the lies is that women having abortions are just careless hussies.
I like the way they use the word hussy.
Wait a minute.
So they're saying that we say this or they're saying.
That's a lie that is used.
And then it says, it quotes, it says 51% of abortions are to women who were using contraception.
59% are to women who are already mothers.
75% are to poor and low-income women.
Now, I don't know how those women can't also be careless hussies.
I'm not sure how that all connects, but I will say this.
Yeah, I mean, them abortion advocates, pro-abortion advocates pointing that out only shows that the whole setup of Planned Parenthood is to create, to commit more abortions.
I mean, they hand out all this birth control and they say, look, we're saving lives.
What they're actually doing is relying on the fact that birth control fails.
And half of the women who have abortions, like you just said that statistic, it's from Planned Parenthood and Scoopmacher Institute.
Half of the women who have abortions, they were on a form of birth control in the month that they got pregnant.
So it's not that they're not using birth control.
It's that birth control has a failure rate.
And that's why Planned Parenthood has a steady stream of clients to kill so that they can kill children and profit off of the blood of children.
I mean, that is a horrific statistic that just proves their business model is designed for more killing.
One topic that has been brought up a lot lately is partial birth abortion or even post-birth, you know, babies that are delivered.
And then I know Governor Ralph Northam had a thing where he was talking, oh, well, keep the baby, keep the baby comfortable.
And so one of the, this is the, what they say, you lie about.
Yeah, they say that never happens.
They say killing a baby after it's born, that never happens.
It's a lie.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, Kermit Gosnell has actually been convicted for murder.
This is extremely rare that this happens.
It should happen every single day in America, but he's an abortionist convicted for murder in Pennsylvania because they proved in a court of law that he was committing infanticide.
Children were surviving abortion attempts.
He was severing their necks with scissors and killing these beautiful, precious children that he tried to kill before birth.
But that one little technicality, the fact that they were born and then he killed them, made him a convicted murderer.
For most abortionists in America, because of that technicality, they're celebrated as heroes because they commit their killing in utero instead of outside of the womb.
Gosnell wasn't very smart.
Yeah.
Well, he was a killer.
Yeah, Kenny's.
Yeah.
I mean, I pray for his conversion, but the guy, I mean, that's the whole twisted part of all of this: we have all these abortionists who are lauded as heroes and who are setting up these killing centers in our own communities, near our churches, near our schools.
And, you know, because our law is so mindless, I mean, our law makes no sense.
In one state, you can be convicted for murder if you kill a pregnant woman and kill her child as well.
And then in the same state, you can, if you're the woman or if you're an abortionist, you can kill that baby and it's considered a human right.
I mean, it's mindless.
So another one here.
Oh, wait.
I put the same point twice on our list.
No, because that's partial.
Late term.
Like they'll say all abortions.
All abortions are like super, like 21 early or something or whatever.
And they say late term never happens.
It's just a propaganda point of the right who want women to be in handmaids' tails outfits in the kitchen.
Well, not according to the CDC.
They say that there's thousands of late term abortions every year in America.
So, I mean, the facts are the facts.
Well, I do say what are the, because the CDC, for it does collect some numbers on abortion, but it doesn't force California or New York or other states to give the numbers.
It's all a, you know, if you feel like giving the numbers as a state, you can give your abortion numbers.
So the numbers are much higher, more than the thousands that the CDC reports, which is horrible.
But it's kind of insane that they do not require all the states to report their abortion numbers.
I mean, it just shows the cover-up is at all levels of government about what's really happening in the abortion industry.
Some of these are a little more complicated, but we're going to get in the weeds now.
I don't understand them.
Okay, so this one says they are claiming that stricter abortion laws would criminalize miscarriages.
Oh, I see.
Some fear the new laws may lead to more widespread criminalization of miscarriages.
There are about a thousand cases to date of women whose miscarriages have been criminalized.
Jezebel, was it a reliable source, reported last month, black women and low-income women are more likely to be arrested for these pregnancy-related charges?
Yeah, well, there's not a single law that a pro-life advocate, a real pro-life advocate, has put forth that criminalizes miscarriages.
That's insane.
So, I mean, I don't know much more to say about that.
I think obviously enforcement is important, how it's done.
And I think that, you know, each state needs to consider, I mean, each state enforces how to investigate murder charges differently.
And so that needs to be considered in each community.
But at the end of the day, I think the abortionist should be the one who is investigated and charged because they're the ones that are, you know, making blood money off of these procedures.
A lot of the women who seek abortions, they're afraid.
There's a lot of coercion.
There's a lot of fear.
There's a lot of mitigating factors.
So I think the penalty should lie with the abortionist.
Yeah, I agree with that.
They know what they're doing.
I think there's plenty of women that are, you know, they're in a moment of passion or a moment of an intense decision.
You know, a lot of times made probably very quickly.
And philosophically there, I even think about it.
I think that the doctor knows what they're getting themselves into and what they're doing.
Oh, for sure.
Of course.
Kyle has not seen these notes.
I can't even read them.
This is very stimulating, though.
I'm on the edge of my seat.
Give me a couple more.
I'm interested because they are like more hard questions.
Because the left will bring up these really intense topics for the get-all with all these words and stuff.
Use the words and the numbers.
Are you having trouble reading big words?
And then you're like, Hey, we will do the owning with facts and logic.
Okay.
Sorry, so sorry.
I will let you.
The woman will be in her place, I guess.
But you are in the kitchen, right?
I'm next to the kitchen, to be clear.
I'm actually next to the kitchen.
I love my kitchen.
Well, you started doing a podcast recently, and you talk about me and every other human being in the world.
But yes.
Well, that's what we said when we launched our podcast.
You know what the world really needs?
Two more podcasts.
Two white guys talking on a podcast.
Manslaining.
So what do you talk about?
Family, relationships?
Yeah.
So we talk about a little bit of everything.
Some politics, cultural commentary, but we talk about sex, identity, relationships, marriage, children, you know, dating, business.
Really, nothing is off limits, which I love because I think all these things are connected to each other.
So I don't like when they are, we pretend that there's just one issue and there's not other more context to the issue, which working in the abortion pro-like movement to fight abortion, which I'm continuing to do because we're going to end abortion in America.
There's a lot of reasons why we have abortion.
It doesn't, it doesn't just happen in a vacuum and the larger cultural context really matters.
So the podcast explores a lot of those topics.
And it's called The Lila Rose Show.
Correct.
You got it.
Have you ever had Lila Rose?
You know what?
I actually have not, but I probably once every couple of weeks, somebody texts me a picture of Lila Rose and says, have you seen this?
Real original joke, Ethan.
Goodness gracious.
No, I'm curious how it tastes.
Actually, I should ask my husband to get some at the next grocery run because I have been drinking a little more wine during this quarantine with my evening meal.
And I should try Lila Rose.
Absolutely.
Have you had it?
No, I just, we were, that was part of my deep dive research on you.
I found Lila Rose.
Got it.
And I think there's also an author maybe that writes romance novels named Lila Rose.
Maybe I'm not sure.
Maybe, maybe not.
Yeah.
We've done our research.
Yeah.
Good job, guys.
So you recently had a baby?
I did, yes.
Why?
Because I got married and I love my husband and I love babies.
And being a mom is the best thing ever.
If you're lucky, you're going to hear a small child in the background at some point during this time.
This is very on-brand for you.
We have a crying child.
Not crying, but what's cooing?
Like a cooing.
Yes, cooing.
He doesn't ever cry.
No.
He's the Christ child.
The chosen one.
He's pretty perfect.
He does cry.
But, you know, when you're a mom and maybe when you're dad, are either of you guys dads?
Yeah, we are epic dads.
Not together, but separately.
Like I have three boys.
And he's got four, two and two.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Well, I don't know if you have this experience, but for me, when my son cries, at least it's been only four months now, but he's so adorable and he's so precious that it's hard to ever get annoyed because even in the middle of the night when it's like 3 a.m., 5 a.m.
And yeah, they're obviously exhausted moments, but there's something so magical about a baby.
So I really don't have any, I only have good things to say.
I don't know.
I think you're still in the middle of the day.
We're going to fact check this.
I know.
I'm in the honeymoon.
Yeah, the honeymoon phase.
That's what I was looking for.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think they're precious, but it's like all day long.
And then they finally go to bed and I'm like, finally, they're asleep.
Yeah.
So there is a little bit, like, again, the wine, having some wine with dinner.
There is a little bit of an exhale, you know, when bedtime happens.
But then I'm like, I miss him.
And then I go to my phone, my pictures on my phone.
And I'm like, my husband's like, what are you doing?
I'm like, I'm just looking at some pictures.
He's like, you're looking at pictures of our son.
He's like, I just saw him.
So I think that's pretty normal.
I hear a lot of people do that.
This is a recent text I got from my wife.
This is from our two youngest children.
Sorry if it's a little long.
It was a stressful day.
Eliza knocked on the bedroom door and was calling for me right after Calvin had fallen asleep, which Calvin is our two-year-old.
We're trying to get him to nap in a bed, not in a crib now, which is very hard.
So he's constantly waking up.
It's very delicate, which was tough in the first place because he kept trying to get out of bed.
I went to talk to her and then Calvin was wide awake and out of bed again.
She said she wanted a snack and I said no since we just had lunch.
I heard her crying hysterically and Colin's like, what's the sound?
And would not calm down.
So I finally gave up on the nap while resisting the strong desire to yell and hit Calvin because he wouldn't lie down.
She doesn't mean, she doesn't really mean it.
She wouldn't hit him.
And stay in the bed.
Came out to the kitchen and found Eliza covered in vomit with two huge vomit puddles and one in the kitchen and one by the small table and chocolate powder everywhere.
She wouldn't tell me what she did, but finally admitted she was eating hot chocolate powder by the packet out of packets.
And it was either too strong or she choked and coughed to the point of vomiting.
So I'm like, ready to just run away from here forever.
She's still in the bathroom retching and she's ruined Calvin's nap.
I told her definitely no treat tonight.
Oh, it sounds like you guys should trade places for a day.
She can host the podcast.
She's a nurse.
I go in and I want the kids too, pull my hair out some days.
And this is not a normal day, but there are these moments.
Just something to look forward to.
There are moments, yes.
It's when they, it really is when they start being able to walk and grab stuff.
That's what I hear.
So then it's a fight with like constantly being like, okay, just a kid.
Just a kid.
Be cool.
Be cool.
They're exploring.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So just a little preview for you.
Yeah.
Got it.
Thank you.
I really appreciate it.
I am actually the third oldest of eight kids.
Okay.
And my husband is the oldest of eight kids.
Wow.
So I grew up taking care of my younger siblings.
And my husband kind of did the same thing.
So I've had my, I've had my, I started at a young age to appreciate what it is to take care of a toddler.
I was probably like eight or nine years old when I was like doing the heavy-duty babysitting already.
I mean, I wasn't home alone yet, but so I don't feel like I'm going to be surprised, but I'm sure there will be moments of stress like there is for any parents.
That's the most annoying thing, right?
When you first have a kid, like everybody that's already had kids, like they all want to tell you.
Give me the advice.
Give me the advice.
And like, oh, yeah.
It's easy now.
I kind of just did that, actually.
I just really wanted to show that text.
I thought it was funny that she's eating packets of hot chocolate involved.
That's pretty hilarious.
We still need to make our Ethan Storytime theme song.
We're working on that.
She's just got to learn how to dump some of that mix into her milk bottle.
And she can know what she's doing.
She's five, so she has, yeah, she's beyond the milk bottle.
Okay, all right.
I think she's just tearing the packets open and dumping them into her mouth.
Kind of like that cinnamon challenge.
You ever seen that on the internet?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's like that.
Yeah.
Where do we go from here?
Well, I was just thinking that the worst thing about parenting is on Facebook, you post like, oh, my kid's sick or whatever.
Oh, yeah.
And then you immediately get the, oh, have you tried, you know, or they'll criticize what you gave them or whatever.
Yeah, or like post a picture of them in their car seat and they're like, what fabric is that car seat material?
Yeah.
You know, those were recalled.
Yeah, this thing.
How old is that car seat?
Is that thing over two years old?
That thing needs to be burnt in the back lot.
It's like generally to me, kids are a lot more resilient than we think they are with a lot of this stuff.
Yeah.
I'm with you on that.
Although I was one of those parents that watched the recall video of this one car seat and then I immediately posted it to all my social media and told people not to buy the car seat.
So I'm definitely on that boat.
Well, I get the recall thing.
It's just, you know.
I don't know.
Yeah, the feeding issue.
Women go crazy.
Feeding issue.
Feeding.
What you feed them, how you feed them, how many times you feed them the milk.
I'm trying to be proper here on a Christian contract.
Christian podcast.
Are you talking about breastfeeding or whatever?
This is a Christian podcast.
You can't say that word.
Yeah, because Christians don't breastfeed.
I don't understand.
We say, yeah, what do they say?
I don't know.
Thank you.
Yeah, you guys definitely need to mix it up and get a woman in there.
Yeah.
Well, no, I was just my wife would get on these insane comment debates.
She'd just be reading me these debates.
I don't think she'd be involved in them.
She's like, listen to these women going back and forth about.
Oh, it's like doing it in public or not even anything.
It could be like anything, literally anything.
All these terms, the latch.
Like all these just everything, everything that they do.
There's a big fight to be had about it.
Who's right?
Yeah, I posted a picture at one point.
Life Action was doing a filming.
We were interviewing abortion survivors, which is just incredible.
So we'll check out liveaction.org to see them when they come out.
But anyways, Peter, my son, my three-month-old came to the shoot.
This was before Corona, a few weeks before the shutdown happened.
And I breastfed him at the shoot.
And I had a picture where I had like the little shawl over and was feeding him and also getting my makeup done and everything.
And I posted the picture because it was fun about being a mom and working on this set or whatever.
And there was a hot debate that followed about breastfeeding and the appropriate way to do it and all of this.
But, you know, that's the internet.
You know, that's the power of discussion.
So I don't think it's so bad.
I think it gets tricky when there's any kind of shaming that happens of moms.
I think that's where it kind of crosses the line where it's like, how could you?
How dare you?
Because, you know, moms, they're doing their best, and it's pretty great.
And dad, same thing, doing their best.
But I think their strong opinions can sometimes turn into like my way or the highway without a parent.
And that can be obviously a little bit a little bit tricky sometimes.
So I came with a bunch of ideas for like alternate or other ideas for pranks.
You guys could do a Planned Parenthood, but most of them, I wrote them late last night.
And now this morning I'm looking at most of them going, I can't even say this.
Everything Ethan writes late at night is interesting.
And it's always a surprise when I get to read it on the podcast the next day.
So we shouldn't read all these for sure, but if you see any Kyle and I keep saying Okinawa, but he's not actually part of this.
So here's some ideas for ideas for video.
I just like the name O'Keeffe.
You should go into the Planned Parenthood and ask them to bake you a pro-life wedding cake.
Film it and see what they say.
See what they say.
What a pro-life wedding cake is.
Like a fetus, like an unborn baby cake.
That's pro-life.
A fetus on it.
That's a pro-life.
Well, they don't want you to see a picture of it, right?
That's true.
Is this part of the interview just you telling really bad jokes and I make facial expressions?
Because I can do that.
You react.
You do that.
You react.
Okay.
You can't see my face there right now.
That's true.
Well, but the viewers can't.
Viewers at home, if you're seeing this, we just converted to video.
So the reason we and Kyle keep forgetting to look at the end of the camera is because we can't actually see Lila right now.
So to pretend we're looking at her to look into a camera and we don't have that broadcaster inclination to look into a camera.
It's awkward.
So we look at each other when we're talking to you, which is going to look really weird in this video.
It's like she's in the room and I'm staring at the other man in the room and talking about her while she's.
We could put After Effects and put Lila's face on my body while you talk to me.
No, please don't do that.
That'd be more fun.
Gosh.
What if you?
No, I can't say any of these.
So she could.
Maybe we should just move on from this.
You bring a dog in.
You bring a dog in and say, you know, the neighbor's a dog.
He's a real rough rascally dog.
Okay, so I will tell you, actually, speaking of a dog at Planned Parenthood, I will tell you guys a secret, okay?
Oh, a secret.
My secret.
So a few years ago, when I first started doing investigative reporting, we did do some sort of very experimental things.
And one of them was when I was about 18 or 19, we went, it was 18.
We borrowed a Chihuahua from a pet store.
A Chihuahua rental store.
Well, they let you for, we said we wanted to do a shoot and they let us take the dog.
Oh, really?
So if anybody wants to have a pet for a day and they want to do a photo shoot, the pet store might lend you a chihuahua.
So we got a chihuahua, went into a planned parenthood with the chihuahua and said, because we were testing how they treated animals opposed to human beings.
And we said, I was like playing the part of this like dog owner.
And I said, this is my chihuahua, fluffy, and I think she's pregnant.
I need terror.
I need an, can you do dog abortions here?
And they were so shocked, the planned parent workers, they said, why would you do that?
Like they were upset that I was asking them or asking for abortions of puppies.
And so, yeah, it was pretty crazy because I obviously was thinking during the whole time, I mean, this is an abortion clinic.
You're doing this to babies, but if it's a dog abortion, it's like, how could you?
So, anyways, I know that kind of took away your joke.
That's exactly my joke, but it's perfect.
It happened.
And my joke didn't have a Chihuahua.
That's the funniest dog.
So actually, you know, Massethounds are pretty funny.
But yeah, Chihuahua's funny.
I'm brainstorming.
Your opinion, Lyle, funniest dog.
Funniest dog.
Inherently funny.
It could be a Chihuahua.
I will say the scariest dogs are pit bulls for sure.
I one time went down an internet rabbit hole of pit bull kill stories.
So anybody who owns a pit bull, I know that you're passionate about your dog, but they're scary dogs.
I do really like Labrador Retrievers, though.
So what if you went in with like a three-year-old?
You sit it down in the waiting area with like an iPad, and then you just kind of quietly make eye contact with the receptionist and just kind of whisper to her, like mouth the words like, you know what to do, and then just like leave and see what happens.
I would not subject a three-year-old for that.
That's true.
That would be endangering.
You could run.
You'd have to leave a hidden camera and then bust in if they like try to run.
Do you even have a fake kid like a gummy or something?
That would work better.
Yeah, okay.
We should move on from the room.
Is this the worst interview you've ever done?
Oh, gosh.
I was going to say, you know, it's not the worst.
I mean, I've been on BBC before, so.
Yeah, I was kind of curious.
What kind of hate do you get?
Yeah.
Do you have any good hate mail?
Any cool hate stories?
Yeah, I've got some hate mail.
Got some death threats over the years.
Got some rape threats.
Got some threats.
So I think that's kind of part of the course when you're doing work on a controversial issue like abortion and people are really, some people are just incredibly pro-abortion.
It's really, really sad.
So yeah.
Yeah, it's weird.
That's the weirdest thing to me is you think that in a debate like this, it'd be like, you know, yeah, it's really bad that we do it, but the debate would be kind of like, you know, the safe, legal, or rare whole idea that, yeah, we really want to try to minimize them.
But the debate isn't that.
The debate is like, we need it to be reigning abortions.
Yeah, it's pretty, pretty awful.
I mean, the reality is, like, if you're logical about it, if you have any kind of a semblance of logic, you have to realize that you can't just say abortion is acceptable, but then it should be rare because why is it acceptable?
If it doesn't kill a human being, then it shouldn't matter whether or not it's rare.
If it does kill a human being, then it shouldn't be acceptable.
So the whole acceptable and rare argument doesn't hold logically.
And, you know, I think people know that deep down.
And a lot of people in the abortion movement, they go to the far extreme because you can't really be a moderate on abortion.
Yeah.
Yeah, that'd be a thing I wonder, you know, here's another idea for your videos.
We're back to this.
And you're like, you know, kind of come with like real messy hair, dark rings under your eyes, kind of crazy looking.
You're like, hey, I'm kind of a psycho.
I just want to torture it.
I don't want to kill it.
Could you just hook it up so I can just torture it at will?
Because if it's just a pumpkin cells, there's no immoral thing about torturing a fetus if it's fine to kill it too, right?
Like, why would it be bad to torture it?
So sad.
You're making me sad over here.
That's actually a very depressing point, I guess.
Yeah.
But I'm curious.
I'd be curious the reaction that the Planned Parenthood person would take to that.
So when is Babylon B opening its investigative reporting department?
We could do these.
Yeah, you could do them.
We totally could do that.
You guys can do whatever you want.
Yeah.
That's a good idea.
We could go in dressed as women.
Like we could do their videos, but just way over the top.
I like it.
Thank you, Lilana.
We're taking that idea.
I don't want to get rape threats, though.
Just don't forget to donate to live action, okay?
So we can do the real journalism.
Yeah, for sure.
So you posted on your Twitter, I think, recently about New York State is telling emergency responders not to revive patients without a pulse when they arrive on the scene.
It's totally insane.
So basically, if you are, you know, cardiac arrest or, you know, you're not breathing or something and you don't have a pulse.
I mean, the job of EMTs is to go in there and try to revive.
I mean, that's their whole thing.
And that's why they're protesting.
I mean, the union is protesting against the order from the governor's office or from, it's actually, I think, from the health.
I don't know which department exactly gave the order, but ultimately Cuomo approved it.
And they're actually rebelling and saying, we're not going to abide by this order because it's in our job description.
Like it's what it means to be an emergency responder to try to save a life.
We're not going to just let people die.
So it's pretty, pretty awful.
And it's pretty, pretty crazy too, because Andrew Cuomo, as you guys know, the governor said that if everything we do to kind of shut down New York's economy, shut down people in their homes, if it all saves one life, then it's worth it.
I mean, I don't know if you guys remember him saying that.
This is the same governor that celebrated, hit the passage of the law in New York last year that allows abortion basically through birth for any reason in New York State.
And he celebrated it when the legislature celebrated it by lighting up the Empire State Building pink to celebrate abortion.
And this is that same governor south saying like anything we do to save a life is worth it.
And yet he's also ordering emergency responders to not resuscitate, not try to resuscitate victims in their homes who might have had an imaginary medical emergency.
So the whole thing is absolutely insane and extremely scary.
I mean, I'm grateful I don't live in New York, but I've loved ones who do.
And it's very scary that that level of government control that leads to ordering medical providers to not try to resuscitate patients.
It's extremely probable, extremely dangerous.
It's like this whole culture of death.
Yeah, it is.
It's not just abortion.
It's a culture of death.
That's what they do.
They gaslight.
I mean, I think that's a key characteristic of the culture of death is that when they're doing these atrocities, they gaslight, meaning they lie and say the opposite to their victim of what they're doing.
And that's what, you know, Andrew Cuomo did when he said, we're doing this all to save one life.
And then, you know, here in California, Mayor Eric Garcetti in Los Angeles, where I am, he said, you know, human life is precious.
That's why we're doing this.
And yet these are the politicians that support abortion up until birth and sometimes even beyond it.
And this is also the politician now in New York that's allowing, that's ordering hospitals to not, or emergency responders to not be able to give people emergency care.
So it's really, it really just shows that they rely on lies and deception to try to mask what they do as good when really they're committing some of the worst atrocities.
I mean, abortion clinics are still open in California right now.
And they're open in New York.
They're open across the country.
I mean, Governor Abbott in Texas ordered abortion facilities to shut down right now during the coronavirus pandemic.
But in many of these states, the abortion facilities are still killing children while the churches are closed shut.
Well, the schools are closed shut.
Well, people are out of their jobs and worrying about how to put food on the table.
And meanwhile, abortion clinics are profiting off of the panic.
Well, you know, if it saves one life, I don't know.
It's stranger than reality, it's stranger than fiction here.
I mean, it's a pretty, it's a pretty awful, awful thing.
And a lot of people just don't know about it.
They don't see what's happening.
They don't understand.
And that's why it's so important to educate people because a lot of the time the media is absolutely not reporting on this.
Most of the media.
Yeah, it's scary to think.
I mean, just through the coronavirus thing we've been going through, how it feels like if the government feels like they can just tell us we need to do this, and it kind of just starts happening, like there's no process.
It's just like, nope, do this.
The scary thought that, you know, what if something came along where they were like, oh, we're going to have to, everybody has to get abortions until we figure this out.
Like, that doesn't seem too far off from like something that could happen now that we've been through this.
I don't know if that if I'm being extreme on that, but uh.
Well, I think where you're absolutely right is there needs to be some sort of standard that we can hold the government to about these extreme decisions that they're making.
It can't just be what whatever public policy unelected health official says, and they get to decide for the nation.
I think if that's and there's no bright lines, there's no standards.
I think that's what's really scary for people and where I really am sympathetic to the concerns of a lot of people saying the government is going way over the top here.
And then I also think some of the bait and switches and the really misinformation that appears to be coming from some health authorities, like the government saying that you don't need to wear a mask.
It's not going to do anything to help you.
And then like a week or two later, they're like, actually, you were mandated to wear a mask in public.
They don't do anything.
Oh, actually, they do.
Yeah.
I mean, stuff like that really is bad for the public trust.
And it doesn't show transparency that's necessary in government in order for the government to be just.
So I'm very concerned about some of the government's actions.
I mean, I support, I've been very vocal about the importance of social distancing and practicing good hygiene.
I think virtually everyone agrees on that.
But what is really troubling is this, what seems like right now, just an ongoing, without an end in sight, government shutdown of our way of life and businesses, et cetera.
And that's where it's really, really problematic.
And our faith, in many ways, not shutting, you can't shut down our faith, but making it difficult or impossible to go to mass or to go to church.
I mean, all of that is really problematic.
Yeah.
So what you're saying is you want people to die.
Yeah, reading through the lines there.
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Yeah, whenever you said that, when you said that, a single tear rolled down Ethan's cheek.
Oh, sorry, Ethan.
Cut me deep.
That's really rough.
So sorry.
Are you a Calvinist or Armenian?
I'm a Catholic.
I mean, you can add one book to the Bible.
What is I could add one book to the Bible?
Yeah.
Well, actually, the Protestants took several books out of the book.
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