This week Mike and Haley dig into the conspiracies around Charlie Kirk's death and how they mirror the conspiracies around JFK's death.. How his protectors killed him to how the shooters needed help knowing if they should keep firing and all sorts of other madness. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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| Hello, everybody. | |
| I'm Mike Reigns, aka Poker in Politics, and I'm hanging out with Haley today to discuss the similarities between how people are reacting to the Charlie Kirk assassination and the assassination of JFK. | |
| It's gonna be a hoot and a holler. | |
| Totally optimistic, cheerful stuff. | |
| Yeah, because like Mike is obsessed with the JFK assassination. | |
| I am slowly becoming obsessed with the uh Kirk assassination and just how it's playing out. | |
| I just wrote an 8,000 word plus article for Left Ghost Right Watch. | |
| If listeners, go fucking read that, because holy fuck, did I consume too much content about the whole thing? | |
| So I do know like Mike. | |
| I like Mike is like, oh, I know this angle, I know this smudge, I know this shadow figure. | |
| Me right now with the especially with turning point being in Arizona. | |
| We'll talk about the hand signal guys, but it's just like I've met one of those guys. | |
| Like, this is crazy, like seeing conspiracies about shit. | |
| And and the thing is is like hand signal guy is kind of like the grassy knoll, like hand signal guy is like 101 Charlie Kirk conspiracy stuff. | |
| I mean, they're we're very that's surface level. | |
| We're we're baking. | |
| We're baking so hard on the Charlie Kirk conspiracy stuff right now. | |
| It is it is getting insane. | |
| People are all over the place on this. | |
| But none of you came to listen to all that. | |
| Or probably actually you did, but I'm lying. | |
| And I'm the one doing the show, so I get to do that. | |
| So um, yeah, last night I got to go see the queen and her uh wackies. | |
| I got to go see garbage at uh in Boston at the Roadrunner. | |
| And um Because I I had a very strong suspicion that they were uh getting ready to call it a day, because uh Shirley's a spring chicken at the age of 58, and the rest of the band is much, much older than her. | |
| One of the guitarists is 74. | |
| So like and I told my mom that my mom was like, he's older than I am, and I'm like, yes, that's very old. | |
| So it's like uh team I I fully expected that team old was gonna like be like, yeah, we're gonna stop touring at some point, because uh we're too fucking old for this shit. | |
| So I went ho I went ham and I got like the VIP package and all that kind of stuff, and it opened with uh so we go inside for like a two-song sound check, and it was the weirdest thing. | |
| You just walk in, and the band is just like standing on stage. | |
| Like I'm for those of you who have never been to a concert before, uh, you should probably go to one, they're kind of fun. | |
| But usually you you go, you fill the floor, and then after a little while, the band shows up. | |
| So it was really strange. | |
| Like you just walk in, and the band is just standing on the stage, like, hi, how y'all doing? | |
| Glad you could all come out and make it. | |
| It was just really funny seeing them all just standing there waiting. | |
| It felt like you were walking, it felt like you were in a video game and you were like walking through a dungeon and you just came upon a boss fight. | |
| Like you were getting ready to be like engaged by like the the big bads that we're gonna throw down with you. | |
| So they did the sound check, and uh my Green Bay Packer jersey achieved its mission objective of them reacting to it as I figured they would because they all love the Packers. | |
| Uh the 74-year-old guitarist that I saw it earlier, he he was the first one to noticed me. | |
| He said, Ah, the new acquisition, because this is the new guy that signed with the Green Bay Packers a little while ago, Mika Parsons. | |
| And uh, so I talked to Duke for a minute, and then um when we got to do a group photo, which eventually I'll post on my Twitter feed. | |
| Uh when I I was like in the middle of the I was in the middle, and so the whole band saw me, and then now they started all talking up my Packers jersey, and I was like, Yes, this did what I wanted it to do. | |
| And then I had some flags to give to Shirley, so I threw her a Palestinian flag and an LGBTQ plus flag, and when we were walking away, she yelled, Thank you for the flags, which was like yeah, so that was that was fun. | |
| That was fun. | |
| So um, so that all happened, and then they kicked us out. | |
| Uh, and after they kicked us out, um, we then had to re-line back up, but uh, because I was like uh a VIP who had done everything, I was there was like VIP line one and then VIP line two, and then the scum. | |
| So I when I got back in my line for VIP one, I was like, Oh shit, I'm like way further back than I thought I was, but it turned out I wasn't because I the the VIP one and VIP two lines were kind of like not properly sectioned off. | |
| So I was actually like still like pretty close to the front of the line for VIP one. | |
| And then when they let us in, um walking in and like this this uh some attendant, yes, Haley, you're chuckling. | |
| Oh, I just laughed at the photo that Eric just put in the chat. | |
| Eric, not on the podcast, but still here in spirit. | |
| As as well, he should be. | |
| But um, but yeah, oh god, yep. | |
| God, I I I always knew Cat Trid had it had a head out for Charlie Kirk. | |
| I knew he was gonna get him. | |
| Cat Turt the typewriter, is what I've always called him. | |
| Yep. | |
| But um so I walk in and there's this attendant woman who's like, oh, the there's this they have like the little ring for your like a like the light ring for a camera, and they're like, go over there and get your complimentary uh photo of the concert. | |
| And it's it's no one's there. | |
| There's no one from the band over there. | |
| It's just literally you go over to this like little like thing and you have it take a photo of you, and then they email you that photo, and they're like, Tag the band. | |
| They sometimes post those uh photos on their gram and stuff, and I'm looking at that, and I'm looking at the fact that no that not a lot of people have gotten into position uh and at the front of the uh at the rail at the front of the concert area, and I'm like, this photo can go fuck itself. | |
| I'm getting on the rail. | |
| So I just immediately was like, Thank you for the offer, but no, and I just ran to the rail and I got front row, and um as I as I thought, and Eric uh very uh uh very uh correctly uh surmised also in the in the posts responding to me. | |
| Uh garbage fans are too old to mosh. | |
| We're all a bunch of uh we're all a bunch of geezers. | |
| So that was like my one fear was getting on the rail was like I'm gonna get jostled and bumped around a bit. | |
| But nope, no one, no one touched me the whole goddamn night. | |
| We were all way too old and too rich for that kind of frivolity. | |
| So um I got on the rail, got the hangout. | |
| Uh I've posted the I I've posted me literally almost dropping my camera when Shirley walked over to perform for me, which was just like ah, one of those like silly moments where you just don't know what you're doing. | |
| But um, and then after the show, um we all hung out at her uh at their tour bus, and she popped out, signed my poster, took a lot of photos of people. | |
| I have a horrible selfie that I didn't get my face in the shot of. | |
| She yelled at me. | |
| Uh she was like, You're supposed to get your face in that. | |
| And I'm like, I know. | |
| And then I just ran away in shame because I wasn't gonna waste her or anyone else's time trying to take a better selfie. | |
| So it all worked out. | |
| The show itself was like kind of like funny. | |
| There's like a lot of deep cuts. | |
| They played a bunch of stuff off the new albums and some of the stuff that like wasn't singles off their popular albums. | |
| Uh the one funniest bit was she did a big preamble about a song, and she's like, This this song's like solidarity with the LGBTQ plus community. | |
| We're all with you, we all support you. | |
| And then they played a different song that was also about the LGBTQ plus community. | |
| And she was like, Oh, this wasn't what I thought it was going to be, but then she just went into that song, and then they played the next song, which was also like pro-gay, which was very funny that they just have such a massive catalog of like songs like that that they can like stumble and still like be right. | |
| So that was like fun. | |
| The whole show was a hoot and a holler. | |
| I had a great time. | |
| And uh that's really about it. | |
| That's my that was that was my experience. | |
| Is the X on your hand from the concert? | |
| Yes. | |
| Um the X on my hand is because they were like, Hey everyone, if uh if you want to drink, uh break break out your ID and we'll give you a green badge. | |
| If you don't do that, we're gonna have to put X's on your hands. | |
| And since I don't drink and I've never gotten the straight edge X before in my life at a concert, I was like, X me up, bro. | |
| Hell yeah. | |
| Yeah. | |
| So I was like, boom. | |
| I was like, I'm like, I I'm obviously a million. | |
| I'm obviously legal to drink, but fuck that shit, because I don't drink. | |
| So they put the X's on me and I'm like, yeah, I'm all cool now. | |
| I'm a hip kid from like a long time ago. | |
| Yeah, from when I was a teenager. | |
| That was such an emo thing to do for all the like young 30-year-olds out there who live through that particular era of emo. | |
| That was such a like middle school, high school thing to do was like put red or black X's just crossed out on your top of your hand. | |
| Very cool aesthetic emo, you know. | |
| Yes, scene kid hair, red eyeliner, all that. | |
| Yeah, type pants, hard way. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Strillex before he was Strillex, uh when he was still Sunny from from first to last. | |
| guys all know. | |
| Yeah. | |
| yeah Yep. | |
| I had the opposite week, so I'm so glad that you had a good week. | |
| Because like I said, I just released an 8,000 word article, and my brain has turned to mush. | |
| Um an 8,000 word article about the absolute darkest shit in this world, how like literally everything about Charlie Kirk is now bullshit. | |
| It's just the most bizarre, all-encompassing conspiracy theory that also is like an octopus where there's a million tentacles going in a million directions, and they all have nothing to do with each other. | |
| You can just as easily find people talking about Charlie Kirk's alleged shooter and their relationship with a trans person, which is the mainstream like actual reality. | |
| And then like two steps away from that, you have the Jews killed Charlie Kirk, and then two steps away from that, you have Charlie Kirk faked. | |
| Charlie Kirk faked his death in order to help Donald Trump defeat the deep state. | |
| It's just like there's no there's no grounding in reality for these people anymore. | |
| Like, there's no point in even being remotely engaged in reality when it comes to events like this. | |
| Um I literally you made me think of at the beginning of this, like I do want to keep track of all this and like actually make an iceberg because I was I wasn't kidding when I just said the wife did it. | |
| That's uh pretty seismic conspiracy that I'm seeing right now, and like oh, I don't doubt it. | |
| Oh god. | |
| Especially because she took the kind of math like reigns right away, like she flew back on Air Force Two and immediately gave a speech at Turning Point Headquarters that was like actually kind of bananas. | |
| Um, released images of her like stroking his corpse and praying over it where he's visibly very yellow. | |
| Yeah, oh, oh, and the and the I mean that was like there were people uh who were just like wow, this is really inappropriate. | |
| Like even so even right wingers who were just like I yuck, like what is going on here? | |
| And then the Charlie Kirk faked his death people were like, Yeah, those aren't his hands. | |
| That's a mannequin. | |
| He's uh he ain't dead. | |
| If he was dead, they would have shown his face in that photo, and they didn't. | |
| That's why we that's how we know it's not really him, and this is all fake. | |
| That's so funny that you say this because I'm like literally looking at a kind of like QAnon-esque image of baking his wife. | |
| Uh, that does have here, I'll put it in the chat. | |
| Um, but it does have like the hands. | |
| Uh it's one of those ones where it's just like a collage of a bunch of things that don't make sense unless your brain works like QAnon does. | |
| So it's like a photo of Kirk and his wife, a photo of her ring, which is a G for the name of their firstborn their daughter. | |
| Uh they call her Gigi. | |
| Her name's like Genevieve Grace. | |
| Uh so she wears these like GG rings, but they're like, oh, it's the fucking uh what is the ring? | |
| The the Freemason ring. | |
| The Freemasons, yep. | |
| Uh the bowl that Kirk was basically killed in. | |
| When you look at it from an aerial view, you just see the layers uh looking flat and people are baking that it's a big menorah. | |
| Yep. | |
| I've seen the manora I uh uh Julian's rum, who is a who was a QA promoter and is now uh blackpilled himself into being a griper and is like all about all that kind of stuff, had a mega viral hit tweet that said uh he was basically killed on top of a giant fucking Bonora. | |
| There's something here about Romani Angels, which I don't know what they're baking here. | |
| She is Catholic, so maybe that's something there. | |
| Uh and then they're baking that she appears on a modeling agency website, which she is in fact a beauty pageant queen and was Miss Arizona, so that's why she would be there. | |
| Yeah, I mean uh it uh from what I was reading about her, yeah, she was uh she got she got in she got connected to like Trump's like people and then one thing led to another, and she got pitched uh to be like, hey, the Trump people were like, hey, Charlie, you should like hang out this with meet this Erica girl, she's like really cool. | |
| And it was basically supposed to be a job interview, and it turned into a date, and like that's how that all got rolling. | |
| So obviously, if you want to go with Masad Honeypot, that is one road you could go right down. | |
| Also, it is funny because I do think one of the events that they first met at was like uh American pro-Israel like pro-Zionist from the evangelical perspective of that. | |
| They've gone to Israel like multiple times together. | |
| This is we'll get into the Israel conspiracies too, but it is that is why it's funny how much they're like Masad did it when like Turning Point was funded by evangelical Zionist groups, and like god, the fucking stuff they would hand out at their events that were just so like Viciously like Palestine does not exist, there's no such thing as a Palestinian ass pamphlets. | |
| Um I just enjoyed the term ass pamphlets, just like um uh I'm looking at the Romani Angels right now, and it's basically that was like an adoption agency that Erica was a part of to help uh children that in that area that was like war torn and miserable, and they were saying, like, oh no, these angels are actually children that are being trafficked by the Illuminati, and Erica was part of it. | |
| They were obviously getting the chrome out of them, so um, also like they announced yesterday she will be the new CEO of Turning Point USA and board uh uh chair of the board. | |
| So, like she's not really um in the she uh like beside she is she was miss like a Miss Arizona like competitor and like was semi popular within the very tight niche brand that she was in in Turning Point USA, which she kind of was like a lead in their women's kind of uh faction. | |
| They they put on this huge conference similar to America Fest, but it's four women only and like young girls, and it's uh the young women's leadership summit, and she's the host and like main speaker. | |
| Um and besides like those networks, she did not have a presence. | |
| She doesn't even post on Twitter outside of a Bible verse a day, and is now being thrust into the spotlight after immediately taking the reins of the turning point throne, and is getting baked to all hell. | |
| Oh, it of course because they think she did it, they think she's responsible. | |
| The people that are like bring bringing in these conspiracies about this, uh, which is obviously they blamed Jackie, right? | |
| Uh at the time they didn't blame Jackie. | |
| That kind of shit came up much later. | |
| Uh like the the thing is is that you had to get further and further away from the reality of the Kennedy assassination to start baking more bullshit because you didn't have an internet, you didn't have all these ways of conveying bullshit information to people. | |
| Uh the Supreme film was suppressed for basically like a decade before it finally got uh shown to the American public. | |
| So information about what actually happened was very stifled. | |
| And so the real crank shit that you're seeing happening here within 72, 98 hours of uh Kirk's death, that kind of crank shit really didn't happen in the Kennedy assassination until much later. | |
| Uh I mean the grassy knoll came up pretty quickly. | |
| Uh originally the people who were talking about our frontal shooters had the triple overpass, but they realized that that was basically impossible because there was no cover and there was no way that you could not have seen that person shooting. | |
| So then they moved to the grassy knoll because it sounds like it has cover. | |
| But as me and you have been there, anyone who was firing over from that fence, you would have seen their upper body. | |
| It would like the grassy knoll does not provide much cover to an alleged shooter. | |
| But it sounds it sounds sinister, and it sounds like it could be the grassy knoll, where oh no, we didn't see the assassin there, and it's like, no, you wouldn't have seen him. | |
| But like that kind of stuff came up pretty quickly, but getting into the wife did it or the Secret Service did it by accident, or uh like Jim Garrison and the triangulation of crossfire and all that bullshit. | |
| That all started that that took so much longer to bake, but thankfully with the power of social media now, we can we can bake at such an incredibly higher speed. | |
| We have quantum bait baking computers now that can just alter reality. | |
| I mean, I don't know when people started talking about like the Freemason obelisk near Kennedy's assassination, like the obelisk near Dili Plaza and stuff like that, but uh I mean people were baking the menorah almost immediately here with Charlie Kirk. | |
| So it's just it's just in cr the the rapid speed of bullshit in this in this thing is incredible. | |
| I'm sure there'll be more stuff that gets baked over the years too, because it's like it's in Utah, so there's probably a lot of weird Mormon imagery within the vicinity that'll eventually get like wrapped into this. | |
| It was done under something called the Hall of Flags. | |
| So there is just like a lot of imagery that I can see getting baked in the future. | |
| Right now, this is early baking. | |
| Because I do unfortunately think this will stick in the con like it'll stick in the conversation for like years and years. | |
| Oh, yeah. | |
| I mean that I mean that's the thing. | |
| That's why it's so important for these people to throw bullshit out immediately after something happens because it's all about making sure that that part of the narrative sticks, even if it's disproven afterwards. | |
| Like this is why right after the shooting happened, literally every right winger was screaming that it's uh that it was a transgender hardcore anti-fought leftist lunatic who did this because they wanted that just to be out there, so no matter who it was who got killed who did the shooting, I should say, would uh people like, oh yeah, that's just the Patsy, the the real shooter was a transgender freak monster who Mossad hit or whatever. | |
| And then I did see a lot of people like confidently saying like he had pledged loyalty to Nick Fuentes, and I had uh seen evidence that he was like an esoteric neo-Nazi, and it's like the chats come out uh the uh in his Discord, and he's kind of just like mostly just a guy, like kind of boring actually memes uh in a lot of cases. | |
| The most esoteric ones are the ones that ended up on the bullet, um, honestly, and it's like you are gay lamau and like an oh thing aren't even like I noticed your bulk your bulge, you oo, yeah. | |
| That's like it what in these spaces, like some of the just like shooters this year that are like in that like more esoteric, super hardcore uh like neo-Nazi, but more like just nihilist accelerationist uh shit. | |
| It's like one of their manifestos was N-word Waffen, like the N-word actually spelled out, and then Waffin is in a reference to the neo-Nazi terrorist organization, Adam Waffen. | |
| And the memes in there were like the most grotesque things I've ever seen. | |
| Like you have to be in levels of the internet that are it's just a whole different ball game. | |
| Um, and I haven't seen any evidence that this kid, this guy, this man occupied those kind of spaces, but he definitely was a gamer. | |
| He had so many steam points and game downloads. | |
| Um but anyway, it's fun. | |
| You said that like uh uh I've heard that the bodyguard did it uh conspiracy with um Kennedy for like that's before we even did the podcast together, and I learned more about the Kennedy assassination. | |
| That's the one I've kind of heard in the modern day, because I think left coast no I'm we're left coast, left coast right watch is a news outlet. | |
| Uh last podcast on the left, that that podcast, I think that was their conclusion in their big series on the Kennedy assassination, is that they think that the bodyguard did it. | |
| Um which is awesome. | |
| You've you finished your thing and I'll get really mad. | |
| It's okay. | |
| Okay, yeah, because okay, I'll get mad about I'm not mad, but I'll get mad is what I'm saying. | |
| I hate I hate the bodyguard theory of the passion of a thousand burning sons. | |
| So man, that really made that really lowers my opinion of last podcast on the left, if that's what they came to. | |
| I I might be besmirching them, uh, but I'm almost certain that was their conclusion. | |
| Um the hand signal conspiracies that have been going around, like what were these guys doing when they like slightly fidgeted. | |
| Um was Kirk's one was Kirk Body Kirk's bodyguard, Dan Flood, uh, who's like a longtime Kirk bodyguard and was the first person to pick up Kirk and start moving because he's like a former fucking like Navy SEAL or some bullshit. | |
| Um he's ex-military at least, yeah. | |
| Yeah, he is ex-military. | |
| He's uh it's funny to see local Arizonans making conspiracies about Dan Flood because like he's definitely been security event events that they've done. | |
| Like, I think that's wild. | |
| Yeah, but also the other guy is a Christian author that was part of the event. | |
| Um what's that fucker's name? | |
| It's like Turek, uh uh Frank Turk. | |
| He's like he's like a a Christian nationalist author. | |
| He was the one that touches his hat. | |
| And he actually released a video uh like yesterday, um, because he was in the van that took Charlie to the hospital, and was He said he was asked by Erica Kirk, the wife, to make the video, and he's like blubbering and shaking, recalling how Kirk was killed. | |
| Um so the turning point people have been kind of trying to put a foot down on smears against Frank Turek and Dan Flood, like the turning point CO, turning point action COO has been like responding to some conspiracies. | |
| And uh the conspiracy about the guy that took the camera that was directly above Kirk. | |
| Yeah, because he's basically being filmed at like a several angles professionally by the turning point team. | |
| Oh, there was a there was a camera that was like right next to him, like on ground level, and there's all these conspiracy theorists that have like that have circled that camera, and they're like, they don't want to show you what's on this camera. | |
| And I'm like, it's gonna be his him getting shot even closer and even more graphically. | |
| I don't need to see that. | |
| Fuck you. | |
| Like, how dare you? | |
| How dare you want to see that? | |
| That's like it's the snuff film I've already seen, but even in more detail and more graphic. | |
| Fuck you. | |
| No, it's wild to see like people that have definitely been on Kirk's podcast, and one person that worked for Turning Point USA that I saw saying that they should release the high definition footage of the and of the killing, and it's like, okay, these are people that have been on the internet for too long because they have they are just looking for like graphic gore at this point. | |
| I I mean, I honestly like I was shaken by the up close photo because there was like the distance photos, and you can barely see what happened, and then I was like, oh, that isn't so bad. | |
| And then I accidentally saw the up close photo, it was like a video like, oh no, oh god. | |
| And I remember uh that the the day when it happened, I saw someone um made a tweet that just said, Yeah, I just saw the up close video and he's dead dead. | |
| And that was like, yeah, I mean, there's there's no fucking way. | |
| I remember like I I a half hour after I saw that, there was like some someone said Charlie Kirk is in critical condition receiving blood right now. | |
| I'm like, no, he's not, he's dead. | |
| I saw it with my own two eyes. | |
| The man got guilt. | |
| Um yeah, because okay, uh one of the things that I realized uh when we went to the JFK museum, uh the sixth floor museum, was that like a lot of conspiracies seem to stem from like some of the conspiracies seem to stem from misinformation that was being reported in real time because you're reporting in real time and that always happens. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Um that seems to be the source of like some kind of like not as ridiculous as Erica Kirk is a Freemason who trafficked in Romani children to take over the turning point or on behalf of Massad ass conspiracies. | |
| But you know, like, oh, why did this outlet report this when he was this outlet was reporting this? | |
| Because some outlets were reporting that he was like in essentially like critical condition, but stable. | |
| Uh some were just saying he was stable, which I think was their say way of saying dead. | |
| Uh confirmed yet. | |
| Um, but like the network that car the Charlie Kirk show streams on that Real America's Voice was running like half an hour before everyone else that Kirk was dead, because I think they were shamelessly like we got it first. | |
| Uh because they did know him. | |
| It was like word was going around when Frank the Frank Turk guy, who is the one that the hat conspiracy, hand signal hat guy, yeah, um, the Christian author, when in that video where he was crying last night explaining, he said when they took Charlie to the hospital, they couldn't even close the door because like there was so many of them stuffed in and like it wouldn't close. | |
| And they were just like flying out, they had to like bust through a gate. | |
| Um that his eyes were fixed, not moving. | |
| He was blank. | |
| Um and he said like he was like gone, and when they got to the hospital, uh the surgeon took him in, and they were able to get a pulse back, but with 40 minutes later they called it. | |
| Um, and like Frank Turk said he was like texting and calling people about Kirk's condition, telling him that like it he's not gonna fucking survive. | |
| So it was like leaking out by the most gossipy bitches on the planet, the MAGA right that Kirk was dead. | |
| So yeah, there was all these mixed reports happening. | |
| Sorry for talking so long. | |
| I want to hear the similarity between the bodyguard stuff. | |
| We know that many IT-ansvarlige people are trying to when the network is difficult. | |
| They kryper under the pulpit, napper in the lead and wait for it to be green. | |
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| So yeah, uh the the similarity is just that blaming the bodyguards is ridiculous. | |
| Uh here, like the hand signals, uh, I'm sure they were just like crowd like tracking stuff that was going on, because Charlie is in front of a group of people, but it's on a campus, so there's all these. | |
| There's like the the group that's actually around Charlie that's like go wanting to get on the mic and like argue with him and debate me, bro, and the people that are there to watch that. | |
| But I'm sure there's like other groups of like college people like just traipsing about the campus, going from point A to point B. And I'm sure those hand signals are just like there are eight kids walking left to right in the background here, someone get eyes on them to make sure there was going on. | |
| Because they're just trying to make sure that like nobody starts shit, like nobody is around to do anything. | |
| And go ahead and Frank Turek's case, like if you watch it, he just kind of like lifts his hand and touches the brim of his hat and moves it real quick. | |
| It's just like literally he's sweating. | |
| Yeah, and or like I to I wear hats all the time, and I'm just like constantly fidgeting with that thing. | |
| It's like they're baking uh him touching his hat, essentially. | |
| Right. | |
| Right. | |
| And like all of that is um I've I've I've said this a bunch online, but I will repeat it here because it's accurate. | |
| This thing with the bodyguard and the hat touching, this is all a recreation of umbrella man from the Kennedy assassination. | |
| And it's equally as ridiculous because the idea of umbrella man was that he was pumping his umbrella up and down to indicate to the sniper teams they needed to fire more shots to kill Kennedy, which they would not need to look at his umbrella to know that they are lining up Kennedy for more bullets. | |
| Like uh having somebody doing that would be a hat on a hat. | |
| It is superfluous. | |
| There's no reason for it. | |
| Much as Charlie Kirk is stationary under a tent, he is not going to move, as Haley mentioned uh previously to me, that Charlie is there for three hours. | |
| He's gonna do a three-hour set at this campus where they've set up the tent for him, he gets in a chair, he's got a mic. | |
| People go up to the public mic, they debate him. | |
| The most Charlie is going to do in those three hours is like lean forward in his chair a little in response to someone's question, or maybe he's going to bend over to drink some water, but the dude isn't going to move much, and all you have to do is uh wait while they're like swe they're like switching out one questioner for another, | |
| and when they bring in the next person for the question, like literally he's shot, like engaging with a questioner where like they ask him about like how many transtruders have there been, and Charlie's like too many, and then the guy says, um like how uh so he says something about violence, and Charlie asks if gang violence is included or not, and then he gets shot. | |
| And that's the thing. | |
| Charlie's just literally sitting there holding a mic, talking to a guy, and there's no reason why like someone would have to give the sniper the signal, go shoot him now, because the sniper can see that Charlie isn't moving. | |
| The sniper can see that Charlie is currently engaged in a conversation where he's the only thing Charlie's doing is bringing the microphone back and forth to his mouth. | |
| Um if you read the charging documents, uh according to his his mom and dad obviously are cooperating with the police, so there's some of their stuff like what they said in there, and then the roommate um is also cooperating with the police, | |
| so there's some information um in there, and according to the mother, what she told police is that uh the shooter had talked about the event about a week before and called it like a stupid location. | |
| Because yeah, in the modern age, when you're basically live streaming constantly, which Charlie was, he was usually live streaming from Turning Point Studio or wherever he was at. | |
| Um and it's like when you're live streaming and you put up this uh calendar that Azure events um and basically sitting in a bucket for the next three to four hours, like I don't think you really need a hand signal. | |
| Right, exactly. | |
| With a bull action rifle with a 2K scope, that's not really that far. | |
| It was like a hundred and forty-ish meters, like you uh I uh it you know the modern gun it just makes things like you uh I I shoot. | |
| I've sh I definitely I've sh shot guns, like uh I'm like okay at shooting, and like I'm okay at shooting because guns are easy to shoot. | |
| Like they design them to be super easy to shoot, and like, you know. | |
| Right. | |
| Guns would not be very popular if they were difficult to use. | |
| It would be it it would be a really tough thing to sell to the to the public if they're like, here's this weapon that can kill your enemies, but boy howdy is it tough to figure out how to manipulate it and use it. | |
| So yeah, I mean it's very it would be very silly. | |
| That's why put bullet in chamber, pull trigger, your enemy is dead now. | |
| Congratulations, you have figured out how to kill someone. | |
| Yeah, and it's like you don't even have to practice like like aiming down the sights because it's just like get some an attachment that basically shows you with a laser or like uh a crosshair that's like incredibly high quality and it's pretty easy from there. | |
| Yeah, I mean, exactly. | |
| That's uh people always complain about this stuff, but like uh um Oswald had a 4X powered site, and so he um he everyone's always like, Oh, the uh the the Mill Gurker Con is a piece of junk, it sucks. | |
| And but it it was a rifle, and he had a site that made it very easy for him to line up Kennedy, and that was it. | |
| I mean, so uh there's just really nothing uh nothing magical to it, and again, uh Robinson had uh like a Mauser with uh a telescopic site on it, and he shot Kirk with it. | |
| And I actually I think that they were originally was some misidentifications of Oswald's rifle, and they said it was a Mauser too. | |
| So that's very funny that I just realized that connection. | |
| Uh the gun is part of the reason why the the dad suspected something. | |
| The parents both saw both the mom and dad of the shooter saw the uh like FBI photos, according to everything that's in the documents. | |
| Um and uh basically called one another and were like, does it look do you think it do you think it looks like our kid? | |
| Uh oops, oopsies, and uh They both suspect it, but also the gun was a hand-me down from Yeah, from grandpa from Pop Pop. | |
| And uh it is kind of like a unique, I guess, like version of the gun. | |
| And the dad texted uh the shooter and asked, like, can I have a photo of Grandpa's gun? | |
| Yeah. | |
| So he was like sniffing him out, and then did just they just did straight up confront them and asked him, and he threatened to kill himself, and then they turned him in uh alongside like a family friend slash best up slash guy who used to work for the sheriff's department. | |
| Um, and that's what's going on there. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I do have a question because one of the things that I definitely know I keep saying that this article I just wrote is like 8,000 fucking words, and it's because so much happened in the week after Kirk's assassination, like uh a lot of people obviously got doxxed and fired, and there's been just like ongoing awfulness happening related to that and how the Trump administration is weaponizing that. | |
| But also there was like um like acts of violence that happened around the country. | |
| There was a Kirk Vigil in Huntington Beach, California that like was I believe organized by like the Kirk kind of MAGA folks, you know, like they're fascists, but they're MAGA fascists, and then a group of like we actually vocally call ourselves Nazis and wear the toten cop on our shirt, | |
| and it says National Socialist on our back ass Nazis showed up and started handing out propaganda their kids, and they got into like a fight, like a physical altercation, uh like fascist on fascist violence, | |
| but you know, and um in Idaho, like a person that like was on their like bike driving, like passing by a group of people, said fuck Charlie Kirk, and like they encircled the guy and like kicked the absolute shit out of him, and the guy got arrested that was like group assaulted. | |
| Um and there was definitely more instances of just like the super extreme far right mobilizing and doing violence, and then also just like there being fights that broke out at some of these vigils. | |
| So I was just wondering if like the post JFK assassination had like visible kind of response with censorship and just kind of like political just like I don't know, just like street violence and I don't know. | |
| Is any similarities? | |
| Uh I mean there was a lot of stuff that happened. | |
| Uh you had um like Jimmy Hoffa, uh the Teamsters. | |
| Uh there was a um they took someone took a flag uh at one of their buildings and like put it at half mass, and Jimmy Hoffa immediately put it back up to full mass because fuck Kennedy, he hated that guy. | |
| And there were places in uh the South where people like did cheer the fact that Kennedy had been murdered. | |
| Uh this what it wasn't, I mean, eventually people got with the program and uh like forced mourning, as people have been talking about with Kirk. | |
| I mean, eventually people were like, yeah, being publicly in favor of get the president getting murdered, probably a bad look. | |
| Um, but I don't remember anything like actual like fisticuffs and violence happening. | |
| I mean, there I'm sure there's something that could have happened like that if I like didn't seen it, but uh going back to the whole bodyguard thing. | |
| Um there are two theories about the bodyguards killing Kennedy. | |
| Uh the first theory was from Bill Cooper, and Bill Cooper's theory was that the limo driver uh shot Kennedy with some sort of specialized handgun. | |
| And uh the Superfilm shows this in Bill's uh diseased brain. | |
| Uh it doesn't. | |
| What looks like a gun is just a defect in the film. | |
| Uh there's nothing there. | |
| And the other thing that happened, um, and the other thing about that that's so ridiculous is any uh plan that it would have involved the uh limo driver shooting Kennedy would have had to have involved him somehow getting the gun past Governor Connolly and Governor Conley's wife to be able to shoot Kennedy. | |
| He didn't have a clear shot at him. | |
| So this conspiracy is like, okay, we're gonna fire a bullet, we're gonna hit Connolly, knock his ass down, and then you, the limo driver, will pull out your handgun and murder JFK. | |
| And uh shockingly, uh the the wife of the governor who was still conscious and alive at the time didn't notice that the limo driver pulled out a gun. | |
| Uh Jackie Kennedy didn't notice that the limo driver pulled out a gun and shot her husband in the head at point blank range. | |
| And uh no witnesses pointed that out either. | |
| So uh very strange that like none of reality had anything to do with what Bill Cooper was suggesting. | |
| But if you look at this recruiter film and think like crazy thoughts, you can somehow poison yourself into thinking that bullshit. | |
| We know that many self-it-it-sourced people are responsible for the job. | |
| They believe that the internet is wrong. | |
| They're running under the pultures, they're running in the lead and waiting for it to be green. | |
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| So I think that is not getting uh footy seag but that post on my uh uh big TV concept and cluster or messed footed sea by the scope. | |
| Uh yeah, and uh the video. | |
| And then the second theory is the what I believe last podcast in the left was thinking, because this is this is the new hotness in conspiracy lore uh before Massad did it became the new hotness, and that is that Oswald fires off two shots at Kennedy, | |
| and one of the Secret Service that's in the follow-up car reaches down, pulls up, pulls up their AR-15, and as they're like trying to get their AR-15 to go and shoot at Oswald, they accidentally fire a shot and hit Kennedy in the head and kill him. | |
| And then somehow they cover that up. | |
| And what's ridiculous about that is again, nobody saw that. | |
| Uh if that had happened, you would have thought that Abraham Zapruder would have just moved the camera a little over and started filming uh Jim Bob, the moron Secret Service agent holding the smoking AR-15, being like, oh, fiddlesticks. | |
| Um one of Kennedy's aides, Kevin O'Connell, who was one of his friends, was riding in that car when Kennedy was shot. | |
| That guy would have had no reason to cover for the Secret Service accidentally blowing away his friend. | |
| So he probably would have piped up about it. | |
| And the other thing people like to say about that is the Secret Service covered it up, and it's like, how? | |
| All the Secret Service were accounted for in the motorcade. | |
| They all went to Parkland Hospital, none of them were in Delee Plaza. | |
| None of them could have grabbed witnesses and started telling them none of you saw nothing. | |
| I mean, before Kennedy was even declared dead publicly, which took about like 40, 50 minutes after the assassination, there were people on television being interviewed talking about what they saw and talking about the president being shot. | |
| So if they had seen that, it would have been out immediately. | |
| There's no way the Secret Service could have covered it up. | |
| Because I mean, this was the news event of the century at that moment. | |
| So of course, every reporter's gonna grab anyone who saw it and stick a microphone in front of them. | |
| And so yeah, uh, intentional limo driver doing it or accidental follow-up secret service agent doing it, are both ridiculously stupid theories. | |
| Uh this is from a book called Mortal Error, which popularized this theory, and way too many people enjoy Mortal Error. | |
| It is such a dumb theory. | |
| Like, stick to the grassy knoll, please. | |
| That has way more basis in reality than this dumb horseshit about it being an accident from the Secret Service. | |
| Oh, I'm gonna be reading so many future books that are stupid about the Kirk assassination. | |
| Oh, you know it, you know you are. | |
| There's gonna be angel studios movies made of this guy that we're gonna have to interview. | |
| Like, oh my god, we're gonna we're gonna get the the Sound of Freedom Part 2, Charlie Kirk's tale. | |
| Uh yeah, um even though Jim Cavizel looks nothing like Charlie Kirk, he's gonna play Charlie Kirk because he has to. | |
| Oh my god. | |
| There's gonna be a whole like Christian media cycle of Charlie Kirk media seemingly a nightmare. | |
| Oh my god, I have to tell you before I ask another question. | |
| Um the church that Charlie was like mainly affiliated with here. | |
| He had a lot of churches that he was affiliated with around the country because turning point has a faith division where they have like literally pastors for the comp uh conferences for the pastors, and like it's it's just like if you have an incredibly controversial far right church in your area, it's probably turning point faith affiliated. | |
| Um but the one the there's and there's a few here, but the main one that he's affiliated with here is called Dream City Church. | |
| This is the one that like holds Trump rallies and um is political as fuck. | |
| Uh the Turning Point Academy started out of Dream City, like they're the first place that actually like did the turning point school. | |
| Anyways, they um they put out a um in their Sunday sermon, a video of an AI version of Charlie Kirk telling the congregation that he's okay because he's in heaven now. | |
| And he gave him like a little two-minute sermon of it's an AI Kirk. | |
| Yes, I I I've seen AI Kirk with Angel's Wings, and oh my god. | |
| And then I saw the video of like some woman who was like a prophet who said that like she was teleported to heaven to see Charlie Kirk receive like the pr the crown from God and to become one of his like most holy like minions in the afterlife. | |
| Um, I actually put together a collage in the article that I wrote of a lot of the AI stuff that I stumbled upon because there was so much, and there is a lot of like Kirk in Heaven with White Jesus and Heaven is very big fluffy clouds and glowing sun, Jesus and Kirk are in MAGA or American flag shit. | |
| Um just like the most Christian nationalist ass heaven you can think of. | |
| Um in one, he had like a like like a a booth that had like hit like a change my mind board in front of it, but it's like this place is amazing, proved me wrong, and it's like him and Jesus. | |
| Oh god. | |
| Wow. | |
| I can't even wrap my head around that. | |
| These are people being respectful and fire getting people fired for just like quoting Kirk accurately, by the way. | |
| Yeah, oh of course, yeah. | |
| That that that's how you do. | |
| That's how you do you just like I think my favorite thing, uh, my favorite bit of all this is that people are saying that Charlie Kirk didn't say that black women are stupid and don't have brain processing power. | |
| He merely named four black women who don't have brain processing power. | |
| He didn't mean all black women, just uh Kataji Brown, uh Michelle Obama, and and the other two women that he uh desecrated with that statement that I forget their names, but it was just like Charlie was about to list dozens of black women who have all kinds of brain processing power, he just didn't get around to it. | |
| He's not a racist or a misogynist. | |
| How dare you for suggesting such things? | |
| Yeah, a lot of the like turning point people right now were like going after people quoting Charlie, being like, you didn't quote his full statement, and it's like, well, he talks for six to eight hours a day. | |
| What what do you want me to do? | |
| You want me to just post the whole pod? | |
| Like, yeah, he says bigoted things and continues to talk for 40 fucking five minutes because he's a content creator for fucking most of his day. | |
| Um, and if you listen to the whole thing, listeners, if you've never listened to a full episode of the Charlie Kirk show, which you should never, um it's uh trash, it's hateful trash, it's bigoted trash. | |
| Um Jack Pasobiek is usually a co-host, he's one of the main co-hosts of the Charlie Kirk show. | |
| Um, and then two like turning point lackeys who are just as bigoted and stupid, but not as popular, and then Blake Neff, who honestly, this does not get enough attention that Blake Neff is one of the Charlie Kirk show co-hosts. | |
| He was the former Tucker Carlson writer that got let go from Fox News when it was exposed that he had like operated under a screen name, like uh account that was like regularly stalking women and also posting like the most Nazi white supremacist bullshit possible, | |
| and it was actually like a person that like severed ties with Fox News because of a controversy, which is pretty rare, and it was a five uh that was his story, and then and then Turning Point hired him. | |
| Oh he was the first of the Charlie Kirk show is yeah, too extreme for Fox News, perfect for Turning Point USA. | |
| Um, okay, I have a question about kind of just a simple conspiracy that's going around. | |
| Um a lot of people obviously, yeah, were immediately interviewed in the aftermath, like before Kirk was even confirmed dead, and also just like in the moment we're fucking live streaming, or literally like seconds after, like turned on their camera. | |
| So there is a lot of interesting footage um of people in the moment. | |
| And there are obviously some people saying like I heard one bullet and that was it, and some people being like, I heard three or two. | |
| I've uh not heard more than that. | |
| I've not heard like I heard a mass shooting, but what they're hearing is definitely the echo. | |
| Yeah, there's buildings everywhere, but I was wondering if there was only one spent bullet in the in the in the rifle. | |
| Uh there was only it was only the oo. | |
| Um which is wild to me. | |
| I I I love that the bullets have names. | |
| I love the the oo bullet is what killed Charlie Kirk. | |
| Yeah, there's that there's Helly, there's Helldiver Bullet, there's U Bullet, there's um if you if you if you catch this, you're gay bullet. | |
| Yeah, Gay Lamau bullet, um, and then the Bella Chow bullet. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And um So were there the the there were I know in the modern there's like definitely a lot of conspiracies about how many shots were hit, popped, especially like stuff about the magic bullet stuff and all bullets, bullets, bullets, conspiracies. | |
| Uh were there at the time people misreporting how many bullets they heard? | |
| Uh there was a discussion about three or four shots, like at the start of the Kennedy assassination, and that was the main uh thing was that most people heard three, some heard four. | |
| The main thing that you'll get from conspiracy theorists, like I kind of feel like conspiracy theorists about the Kennedy assassination, it like is like before Oliver Stone's JFK and then after Oliver Stone's JFK and the internet. | |
| And the thing is is that uh Stone and various other Conspiracy theorists will do these charts where they will put a lot of people on the knoll list of where they heard shots from and then they'll post a video or uh um they'll make a billboard and they'll say uh 51 people heard a shot from the Texas School Book Depository, | |
| 73 heard a shot from the grassy knoll. | |
| And what they do with that is they make it sound like it was a conspiracy, but what they're not admitting to is the fact that their conspiracies are based upon multiple shooters firing from multiple locations, and almost nobody involved as a witness in the assassination heard crossfire. | |
| Basically, whenever anyone was interviewed, they'd be like, I'm Sam Smith, and I heard three shots from the book depository, and then someone else would be like, I'm Becky Martin, and I heard four shots from the grassy knoll, | |
| and you would just go back and forth between those two things, and it was like it was like I don't, I mean, the again, depending on who you were talking to, it was like 6040 one way or the other on the knoll or the book depository, being the majority of the witnesses, but it was like 80 20 on the number of shots being three or four, like very few people heard more than four shots, and uh only a few people really heard four, the vast majority heard three. | |
| There were some people who even only heard two, which we know is not true because both the hell divers bullet and the Belichiaw bullet and the oo bullet were found in the sniper's nest when Oswald shot at Kennedy. | |
| He did not the the gay bullet was still in the chamber when they when they recovered the man the current arcana. | |
| So um that uh that was a thing, but again, the physical evidence of the three spent shell casings and the damage that was done to Kennedy and Connolly made it very clear that it was three shots that were fired. | |
| But there was a discussion about whether or not there were three or four, but uh at the time the main the main debate was where they came from was it front or back, and that is I mean, that's and that's the whole argument we have to this day. | |
| But the people that argue this never actually take the next step that they have to take, which is talking about the fact that nobody heard crossfire, because if they bring that up, then oh no, now our phone is gone. | |
| Oh, dogs, because you can't have all the shots come from the grassy knoll or the front because we know that Governor Conley got shot in the back because his chest got blown out by a bullet, and that bullet, | |
| so the bullet obviously entered his back and then exited his chest, and uh and he got hit in the wrist with a bullet, also, as though the bullet that hit him in the wrist obviously had to be slowed down or damaged by something because it didn't just explode his wrist, like his hand wasn't hanging on by a couple tendons and they had to sue it back together. | |
| It was damaged, but it wasn't damaged by a full uh bullet coming at the uh at the the speed of being fired from a barrel. | |
| So there's no way you can there's no way you can do the whole Kennedy assassination without having a shooter firing from behind, and that's a problem for conspiracy theorists because then that means you have to have crossfire if you want people firing from the front, and uh I'll I'll finish saying this that no one heard that, so yeah, that would be the main comparison there in that situation because with Kirk, we all know where the shot came from, and no one's really disputing that. | |
| Um okay, I'm gonna just kind of go down some of the conspiracies that I had saved ahead of this episode. | |
| Um, because these are pretty basic ones, uh, pretty simple explanations. | |
| So when Cash Patel concluded the um hearing after they caught the shooter, um he ended it by saying, like, he'll see Charlie and Valhalla, which is just so stupid. | |
| It was just like, Bro, grow up. | |
| Yeah, yeah, that that fucked with so many Christians. | |
| So many people. | |
| Yeah, so many people were not happy with that. | |
| I really just think that Cash was trying to say that like Charlie was a warrior fighting in the arena and suffered a warrior's death, and that warriors who die in battle go to Valhalla. | |
| And I just feel like he was just trying he was trying to give he was trying to give Charlie his props, but I don't think that um I don't think that that was a great way to do it. | |
| I feel like there was uh there were better ways to speak better ways to say that without offending your lunatic Christian base. | |
| So funny. | |
| So it was just so funny. | |
| Um, but I did see people like it that have like Q Q Anon Brand. | |
| Yep. | |
| Um basically like baking that, saying that I don't know, it's it's it's it's uh witness protection signal for a location called Valhalla in New Zealand. | |
| Oh god, I've never heard of anything like that. | |
| And it's like, okay, what because there are conspiracies, there are like some very fringe conspiracies that Kirk is alive. | |
| I think like he with the like it was a blood bag under his shirt, which it's like, what do we talk? | |
| What everybody saw it. | |
| I think the majority, I think, of people online that day saw it. | |
| So what you're talking about there is there are people who said that Kirk's the blood didn't start pouring immediately, and that this was obviously like a mistake. | |
| So like basically Kirk gets hit, and then he like activates the blood pump under his shirt, and then the blood starts like coming out of the blood uh bag that he had set up. | |
| Um I've seen people say that his like shirt didn't soak the blood properly, and the blood was like splashing off of his shirt, making it like inauthentic. | |
| Uh I've seen people talking about the video where Turk is being Kirk is being carried to the back of the SUV, and people have said that the his shoes were too white, that no blood got in his shoes, which again proves that the shooting was staged. | |
| And I think that was probably more to do with the fact that Kirk was on a chair that had like little like footholds on it, because he was like he's like standing up on a chair where he's not just um planting his feet, I don't think, and maybe he was, I could be wrong. | |
| But even then, even if his feet were touching the ground, the only thing that could have possibly have gotten blood on it would have been the soles of his shoes, like the top of his shoes shouldn't have gotten any blood on them. | |
| And given where like the blood was spraying, I don't know why the blood would have gotten near his feet anyways. | |
| So any of this is nonsense, but this is how these people operate. | |
| I was actually arguing with uh major patriot, who was a uh QAnon promoter, then he retired from QAnon. | |
| Then he came back online to just say that he basically was objectively denying reality itself, which was very exciting. | |
| And he said that Kennedy's assassination had been staged and faked, and Kennedy wasn't really dead, and that like uh the the his head exploding was a squib. | |
| It just did that it just did that, it just did that. | |
| And his one of his arguments was that Jackie's gloves were still white, they weren't covered in blood when this shooting happened, and I I told him, I'm like, she uh hasn't touched his head until after she leaves the car and then goes back into the car, and we don't see her hands after she goes back into the car, so there would be no way to know that. | |
| Like you're crazy for suggesting that. | |
| And he was just like, uh, I I her hair gloves are too wide, it's fake, he ain't dead. | |
| And I was just like, oh my god, I can't even I can't even with you. | |
| There's there's no hope here. | |
| Um I do think it's funny that some of the conspiracies of the modern age um lie into the fact that um when the police when the FBI released those like two sets of brainy surveillance photos where the shooter's face was not Um towards the camera. | |
| It was you couldn't see their face, and they were in a hat and like sunglasses, long sleeve shirt, pants, like the whole getup. | |
| And there was AI, there was people doing AI, like, hey Grok, can you um you know make it so it's his face? | |
| And so completely just generated a fake fucking person. | |
| And now I see a lot of conspiracies like these aren't the same guy. | |
| Right, right, right. | |
| Um, which is awesome. | |
| I love that. | |
| I love what AI's done to people's brains. | |
| Um, obviously, people in the audience are getting baked because there was about three thousand people in the audience for Kirk. | |
| There was there's a the Kirk events at the uh first of all, there's and then there's the students just going about their day. | |
| Because there's people protesting the Kirk event, there's gripers there that are griper war wanting to griper work. | |
| There's currently a like um like touring kind of thing with like content creators like fucking Destiny and shit that is touring alongside Kirk's campus tour to counter it, but like go up to the mic and ask them questions. | |
| The person that was at the mic asking the question when Kirk was shot was with that counter tour. | |
| That unfuck America. | |
| Um so like the Kirk events bring a circus. | |
| Right. | |
| And like, so yeah, there's people in suits, there's people dressed up weird, there's people uh who are content creators in their own right, and so like people who look weird. | |
| There's a guy that was there, it not even look weird. | |
| This is just a guy that was there that they were wondering why he had a one black glove. | |
| Um and he does not have one black glove, he has a mechanical arm and uh is an amputee, and they were baking a guy who's an amputee. | |
| Um like, but just like that's just one example of like a bunch. | |
| The guy that took the camera uh that was like perk is getting big baked, even though he's a turning point employee and turning point COO Tyler Boyer has said like that's one of our guys, and he was getting it down to hand over to evidence. | |
| Um baked and like to the point where pixels are. | |
| I sent Mike a bush that's getting right. | |
| Oh, yeah, every everything's a shooter, everything's an assassin. | |
| The thing about the guy with the overhead camera was people were mad about that because they felt like the crime scene hadn't been secured, because what there was a thing that did happen where a guy did go over to the tent and just start grabbing MAGA hats off like the there's a little table next to where Kirk was shot where there were a bunch of MAGA hats, | |
| and some guy just started grabbing those MAGA hats and like throwing them into the crowd, and then uh like campus police, I think, like ran over to the guy and were like, What the fuck are you doing? | |
| Get the fuck away from there. | |
| And the guy was just like, peace out, just like just dipped, just ran away. | |
| They didn't bother arresting him or anything. | |
| No, yeah, because you know who that fucking guy was? | |
| That was Mr. Hey, Elder TikTok here, Mormon Snatch, you saw there was a gun just fired, subscribe. | |
| Uh that was the same thing. | |
| That was that was like, oh wow, that guy fucking holy shit, that guy couldn't help himself. | |
| Oh my lord, that guy was just fucking in it to win it. | |
| Holy smokes. | |
| It is funny. | |
| It is funny how like uh everyone's a character in this, it's their own character. | |
| Cause okay, you remember how there was also the guy who was falsely arrested, the older person. | |
| Um his name was George Zinn. | |
| Um yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah, oh go ahead. | |
| Yeah, no, Geor George is apparently just like a lunatic crazy person, agitator who just like saw his shot to be part of the story and just started running around screaming, I did it, I shot him, I did it, and then they grabbed him and they arrested him. | |
| And while they were arresting him, they were like, Can we use your phone? | |
| And he's like, yes, you can use my phone, and by the way, there's child porn on it. | |
| And then they cracked open his phone and filed child porn. | |
| So great job, old man. | |
| You fucking lunatic. | |
| This is what I'm saying. | |
| Everybody's a character. | |
| When I read that, I was like, everybody that is extending into a bigger character here is um there's a whole story there for each one. | |
| Yes. | |
| Oh god, so fucked up. | |
| Um, let's see. | |
| Uh is there any more conspiracies that I've obviously there's a lot of like anti-trans, trans terror cells, all the usual crap antifa terror cells conspiracies. | |
| I feel like it's not even worth like no like really going into an extent because it's just bigotry that you hear all the time. | |
| It it's literally 9-11 anti-Semitism, trans purpose into hating trans people. | |
| Like, I I remember seeing people saying six transgenders were told ahead of time about the shooting. | |
| It's like, what the fuck are you talking about? | |
| How does that make any sense? | |
| How did this kid know six people who were trans and only them and told only them that he was gonna kill Charlie Kirk? | |
| Like I liked that that post was like breaking too. | |
| Yeah, the the the trans massad got the heads up that he was gonna do it ahead of time. | |
| Haven't been some of the conservative commentators been like, oh, the they're as dangerous as Al Qaeda or some shit. | |
| Uh the rhetoric's getting really bad, and I that's why I just like it's not as it's not as entertaining as the rest of the conspiracies that we've been tackling. | |
| There, it's just pure all you need to know, listeners, if you're not online, is it's the worst shit you've ever seen in your life, as far as bigotry. | |
| Yes. | |
| Laura Loomer straight up said, like, I want Trump to be a dictator, and I think that like we all need to accept that basically. | |
| Right, right. | |
| We we need we need to give up all our rights because Charlie Kirk got killed, so yeah, that makes sense. | |
| So yeah, so I Jesus, just not great. | |
| Not great. | |
| We're trying to keep it a little more light, but it's like, goddamn, there really is just like uh uh uh I mean the Jimmy Kimmel thing is like I I listened to what he said, I was like, what was the bad part? | |
| Right. | |
| Yeah, we're uh we're gonna cover Kimmel on the on the three on the three man three man pod with me, Eric and Steph. | |
| So yeah. | |
| Um there are more photos leaking of the guy, which this reminded me of kind of like our tour of just the the JFK stuff, like you're learning where he went, like after the shooter where he went, like after the shooting, basically, like apparently went and got like a chicken tender box at like fucking dairy queen or something. | |
| Yes, yes. | |
| Um so there'll be a plaque there one day, similar to how like we went to the the record. | |
| Shooting of Officer Tippett, yeah, yeah, the shoot, yeah. | |
| Oh, and when we went to top ten records for the phone that Officer Tippett used right before he ran into Oswald and got killed. | |
| Yeah, I mean, yeah, people are gonna uh L made a joke about how he said uh man on the day of the shooting, I said check check the local McDonald's. | |
| Turns out I was almost prescient. | |
| He was he was just a little off on which fast food place they went to. | |
| And uh oh, I wasn't gonna say uh burger. | |
| Yes. | |
| And oh, and uh that's uh one of a part of the uh Kennedy assassination lore is that uh the cop who confronted Oswald saw him buying a uh Coke from a vending machine on the second floor, and this is a big thing. | |
| The conspiracy theorists are like there's no way he could be buying a coke after just killing the president. | |
| This proves he's innocent. | |
| It's like, well, it turns out that all snipers like buying themselves a little tasty treat after they murder someone. | |
| Yeah, the photo of him getting a nice tasty uh chicken McNugget at Dairy Queen is getting like, oh, how could he have done it? | |
| And it's like at 6 30 p.m., like literally almost seven hours after the shooting, like what you don't eat after being on the run from uh assassination, you know? | |
| Exactly. | |
| Um So yeah, I think there will be a lot of like unfortunately over time, these places that kind of become marking spots of the Kirk assassination, the where he got killed will absolutely become something like that exact spot. | |
| Oh, the the people are just gonna be mad that it's it's grass and not pavement, so they're not gonna be able to draw a murder axe on it so cleanly. | |
| They might have to they might have to like pave over the grass at that spot and then put a murder axe down to let us know that that's where Charlie Kirk was sitting when he got shot. | |
| Um I went uh you know, I've seen obviously some of the building shrines at some locations. | |
| Apparently the like mythical garage that they talk about of the original turning point headquarters has just turned into a massive shrine. | |
| It's actually a large like business building, not like the fake story that they've always told, but that has become like basically just covered in people put it leaving stuff out here in Arizona. | |
| The where he got embalmed is like absolutely just becoming a growing shrine outside of it, and then outside turning point headquarters, it's just been 247 police uh like around it, and helicopters escorting people as they actually do enter the headquarters, and like the police helicopters with Phoenix PD. | |
| And like the shrine goes for about half a mile, and is just like the bouquet flowers are noticeably elevated because it's so piled. | |
| I've never seen a shrine so big. | |
| I don't know if anybody here ever saw any shrines dedicated to the Gifford shooting, but I would be curious, just like kind of the reaction comparisons on that. | |
| Um but man, what a and it is like a little bit, it's like a lot of imagery that basically edits Kirk as Jesus, which is just like man, the nobody blasphemes Christians more than themselves. | |
| Oh, of course not, yeah. | |
| Um, and a lot of people are leaving handwritten notes. | |
| Uh, like I saw a lady writing a poem while there, and like kids leaving notes. | |
| There was a little kid that left a note that said, like, thank you, Charlie Kirk for always standing up for Israel in America, and it's like what parents made their kid write this. | |
| Uh, but there is just like a sea of fucking American shit in that like half mile, and like flags and balloons and all this, and uh also a shit ton of um Israeli flags because like that's why I think a lot of conspiracies right now about like Kirk turning on Israel is funny because it was just like he was such a he was such a yeah, | |
| yeah, yeah, he was do dude was the hardcore Zionist, dude loved himself some Israel, but Candace Owens and all these clowns are like Charlie was starting to see the truth about Israel. | |
| He was getting nervous about them. | |
| He was thinking it was time to speak out about what they were doing and how it wasn't cool, and that's why they got him. | |
| And it's like yeah, and Kennedy was gonna get us out of Vietnam. | |
| Yeah, whatever, whatever you want to think, buddy. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Were there like there were Israel did it though? | |
| There's Israel did it conspiracies about Kennedy, right? | |
| Yes, but that's more modern, and like the I I've covered it, but basically like the real quote unquote conspiracy is that Kennedy did not want the Israelis to have a nuclear program, and he was very much about like inspecting their nuclear sites because he knew they were trying to build a nuke and they didn't need the nuclear sites for energy, and this is all bullshit. | |
| And then when he got killed, Lyndon Johnson just didn't give a fuck about Israel, and so they were able to build their nukes without LBJ meddling with them. | |
| But again, all of that presupposes like Israel at the time was a very tiny nation that was not really America's ally. | |
| Um uh JFK was the first American president to sell Israel weapons. | |
| They had mostly gotten their weapons from the Soviets before that. | |
| Uh but still, like America and Israel's relationship was not big brother little brother at the time. | |
| It was tiny eight nation in the Middle East that America thinks about every now and then, and that is it. | |
| And then uh, and basically because that was our stand. | |
| Like if if we had been the big brother that everyone thinks we were, Kennedy would have 100% have been able to fuck with them and been like, yo, turn those fucking nuclear plants off. | |
| Fuck you. | |
| But we didn't have that good of a relationship with Israel at the time. | |
| I mean, like our relationship people, I I'm not like that big on that thing, but I think it was more like around the 80s and 90s when like America and Israel like really got hand in hand about all this kind of shit. | |
| But uh because like Truman recognized the state of Israel, and then they were like, Can we have guns, please? | |
| And he was like, No, are you out of your fucking mind? | |
| Just go piss up a rope. | |
| So, yeah, uh, but uh Kennedy not wanting them to have nukes, and the uh my other favorite thing that I love is people are like, Oh yeah, he was gonna have APAC and uh have to register under Farah, and it's just like a APAC is mostly Americans who just advocate for Israel, so there's no Farah involved. | |
| It's just uh pro-Israeli pact that Americans started, and if you have a problem with that, fuck APAC and fuck what they're doing. | |
| But like even if APAC had to register under Farah, what what good would that do? | |
| Yeah, we're at pro-Israel lobby working for Israel. | |
| Oh boy, there's our face red that you caught us that we're doing what we said we're doing. | |
| And I just love the idea of that. | |
| Kennedy was like, Yeah, you listen here, hey Pac, you register under Farah or you're gonna get a lot of trouble. | |
| And APAC went to Massad and was like, This dude's giving us way too much shit. | |
| Fucking drop him. | |
| And Mossad was like, Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. | |
| We're this tiny nation threaded by enemies everywhere. | |
| We're gonna murder the leader of a superpower. | |
| Do you want us to blow away Khrushchev while we're at it? | |
| I mean, this is so stupid. | |
| Um I honestly think too, if there's one kind of conspiracy that Turning Point is going to put a public statement about, it will be about the stuff that Candace Owens and Ian Carroll and folks are stirring up because they want to maintain the relationship with the organizations that essentially do like donate to them, which there are a lot of American like pro-Israel evangelical organizations. | |
| A lot of people do not understand this because Charlie Kirk was anti-Semitic and did talk about like the great replacement theory and um you know Jewish banks controlling everything and all the institutions type shit. | |
| Uh, but like was an ardent like pro-Israel defender for his own political reasons because these are two completely different fascist movements with different goals. | |
| It's just they sometimes work together for whatever reason. | |
| Um, and this is one of those instances. | |
| So yeah, um, like I mentioned in the last episode that like the turning point influencers do do these like trips to Israel to basically like do propaganda for the IDF and the government and like um this like uh I I don't know. | |
| This is just like uh there are these like there is this relationship that I know that they're gonna wanna maintain. | |
| Um so I wouldn't be surprised if they actually put a statement out about some of the stuff that Candace has been saying, but I think that'll cause more conspiracies of the people that are like, why are they only talking about this? | |
| You know, um right. | |
| It'll be funny. | |
| Uh they're actually uh there's like a there's like a town, there's like a city in Israel that is actually gonna name like a traffic circle after Kirk, which is just like a level of disgusting that I can't even think of right now. | |
| And then also here in Arizona, they are introducing uh legislation to rename the loop 202 to Charlie Kirk Highway. | |
| Jesus Christ. | |
| Please, Katie Hobbs veto that. | |
| Loop 202 is not a small highway here. | |
| It is the the freeway that encircles the entire uh Phoenix area. | |
| So they want to slap that sucker right there. | |
| Yeah, of course. | |
| But anyway, that's kind of the main conspiracies I got yep that's that I think I we're at like a 90 minutes here so I think we can put a pin in it here so thank you all for listening if uh you enjoy the show 5 star review and all that good stuff patreon.com slash poker politics throw money at me so that if garbage ever comes out of retirement I can go to their those shows also that'd be lovely if not go to love 146.org and give them money to help fight human trafficking thanks to Frosty | |
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