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May 25, 2025 - Adventures in HellwQrld
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Adventures in HellwQrld Presents: Crisis actors!

This week Mike, Haley, and Steph talk about crisis actors and why people think they exist and what they represent in our conspiracy ridden society. honrnetwork.org Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello everybody, I am Mike Raines, a.k.a.
Poker and Politics, and this week I am joined as always by Chaley, a.k.a.
Haley, a.k.a.
Arizona Rightwatch.
Yo.
Yo.
Sup.
Sup, yo.
I got nothing.
in this.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, chat.
I love you guys.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, we're live-streaming.
Yeah, we're going to have to do that.
We're going to have to live-stream this pod now so that you can have pressure on you because you're going to have the chat yelling at you.
Let me just tell you really quickly, there is nothing more depressing than watching sports on illegal streams, because literally all the chat is is just racial slurs and anti-Semitism.
Oh, man.
It's just the...
And then occasionally they'll react to the actual game.
But the game is secondary to the I'm an edgelord on the internet full of hate.
It's just ye.
Everyone's ye now on the internet.
It's great.
And I'm also joined by Steph, who is our expert on today's terrible topic that we're going to be discussing.
I am an expert on all terrible things.
$500 an hour for Steph, please, as an expert witness.
Yes.
I just love that.
I just love the idea of the god of breathing, like some person in a civil trial of some kind that involved drowning or some other thing that involved breathing.
And they were looking at him and they said, so how much am I going to pay you for this?
And he just looked at them unflinchingly and said, $500 an hour.
$500.
And then the lawyers were like, yeah, give it to him.
He's so fucking good, we need it.
Just do it up, son.
This dude is working real hard to get the two hours and one minute so he can get that extra five ball fucking tucked into his hot little hand.
We have to hone in our niches and make even the niche of the niche of the subculture so we can charge $500.
Right.
Just, like, it's just, I don't know.
I really need the first 100 Q-drops to be something that involves intense litigation constantly.
In that case, they'd be like, fuck, call Reigns.
He's the only one who can fucking really break that shit down.
He's the one who's a complete psychopath.
Actually, it's 600 with tariffs.
Yes!
Now that the big, beautiful bill is on its way to Trump's desk, yes, I'm going to need an extra $100 an hour.
Por favor.
Oh, man.
I just I love the fact that this prick is destroying the country.
And I love the fact that literally all the discourse on my Twitter feed is.
And it's like, no, they couldn't have because two Republicans were actually sleepy times in the back room.
Shout out Schweiker for sleeping on the job.
I just love it.
I just love that.
It's the chert.
It's the chert that exists where it's just like – Yes.
Democrats didn't stop them.
Fuck Democrats.
The end result of anything is fuck Democrats.
And it's just, man, we live in the darkest timeline where our current president is actually senile.
And what's our press talking about?
Our previous president and how you need to buy the book to find out how he was senile.
And it's like, I don't care.
Don't care about the old guy.
You know why?
Because he dropped out.
I don't need to read that book.
We already knew Biden was senile.
That's why he dropped out.
Yeah.
Like, why do we need, like...
Nobody support Jake Tapper.
And I don't want to, I don't give a shit about the prostate cancer because it's the easiest cancer ever.
I'm sorry.
I have to take that back.
I'm not saying it doesn't count, but prostate cancer is one of the easiest cancers to treat.
And based on Biden's age, it's not surprising.
I don't see why that's a big deal either.
Ah, because it metastasized and it's already into his bones.
It's late stage aggressive prostate cancer.
Okay, well that sucks.
It's going to kill him, just FYI.
He was going to die soon anyway.
I mean, he's an old man.
Well, then that means that he wasn't getting his prostate checked regularly.
Oh, trust me, there is a massive thing on the internet about how...
And there's all this arguments, pro and con, whether the geezers need their prostates checked or not.
I don't want to talk about prostates this morning.
Yes!
That was the goal.
I mean, this is the uplifting part of the podcast.
This is the radiant sunshine, chirping birds.
Like, I'm a Disney princess with little woodland creatures nuzzling at my heels and birds flying to my hand and gently tweeting as Steph is just like, our old president's going to die.
Fuck him.
Senile prick.
I'm not trying.
I'm just...
That...
That...
This is...
I was like, I'm not going to be like boohoo because I am indifferent.
It's just like he's not the president anymore.
I don't mourn.
I hope Trump would also die personally.
It's just like of old age naturally in a video game.
Politically.
In Minecraft.
The thing is, I would do a bit right now, but given the way the fucking government is working, I would get a call from the Secret Service anyways, even though that bit was obviously a bit, and I was riffing on Alex Jones.
It's like the fucking, it's the Comey 8647 bullshit.
Where these assholes pretended, oh, my stars and garters, and threw themselves on their fainting couches.
I love that Postobiec did that, too, and he had an exact tweet that just said 8646 or whatever.
Right, exactly.
No, no, Postobiec had a tweet, we need to fucking murder Joe Biden.
And by that I mean President Biden, because he is currently in office when I am saying this.
I mean, great.
Also, I just, I love it when our political class exposes how they've never worked in restaurants or a serious job in their life.
Because the 86 thing is like...
throw the guy at.
The food is...
Yep.
I work in casinos, and guess what?
You get too drunk, you get 86'd.
That's how that works.
understand the number 86, you have to go to 88 for them to understand numbers.
When they 86 people at Mike's Casino, he takes them out back and puts Yes.
Win or die.
The greatest 86ing I ever had, which is exactly the thing you want to hear, because usually people are like, my greatest 69!
Hey, bros!
But no, this guy, he was not just drunk, he was probably on lots of other drugs, and he lost a hand of poker and refused to pay.
And eventually we got security in the room and I told him, you need to pay the bet you lost.
And he was like, I will pay the bet if you let me keep playing poker.
And I was like, no, you're paying the bet, then you're leaving.
And then he's like, well, I'm not paying then.
And he got up and security was walking him out of the building.
And as they were doing so, he shoved one of the security guards.
And if you didn't know this, every hotel in Las Vegas, on the Las Vegas Strip, Has a prison cell in the basement.
And that's the drunk tank.
And that's where they put you when you fuck around.
Yeah.
I'm just lying my ass off!
They got a jail.
Yeah, they got a jail.
Because I went down there.
Because that happened around 2.30 in the morning.
At around 6 o 'clock, I got the phone call that the guy was willing to pay the bet off.
And I went down there, and he was in the cell.
He was in our little cell.
And I took the money out of it.
And his chips were in front of him.
And I took his chips out of the rack, and I counted them down.
And they had the guy agree that I had taken the proper amount from him.
And then I left the rest of his trips and I went back upstairs and I had already paid the bet out from the from the casino bank.
So we were made whole.
The guy reimbursed the casino for his actions.
I mean, heaven forbid that poor, poor, poor casino loses any money.
But it wasn't the casino that was going to lose the money.
It was the player.
Well, that's okay.
Stand up for the player.
Poker is a player versus player game.
I mean, like, I mean, I do have to every now and then stand up for the house in a situation, in a blackjack situation.
But when you're in a poker room, the thing is, is when you make a ruling in poker, it's frustrating because...
And it doesn't even matter if your ruling is 100% right.
The person who's just an idiot is going to be mad at you.
And you just have to deal with that.
You just have to deal with the fact that the person who's wrong is going to be upset that they just lost money, even though they had to lose money because they lost.
And that's what happened with this guy.
And what made it even worse, what made it even crazier, Because this guy was losing this giant pot, and then a player who wasn't in the hand started screaming.
That the guy who beat him threw his cards away.
He's like, that guy threw his cards forward.
That is a fold.
Or what we call in poker a muck.
He's like, he mucked.
Those cards are mucked.
That hand is dead.
He should win.
And this guy is not even in the hand.
And he's just losing his shit.
And I walk over.
And so if you've ever been in a table of Texas Hold 'em.
All the folded cards are in a pile, and that's called the muck pile.
And basically the rule is if the cards touch the muck, they're dead.
But the thing is, is this muck pile was very far away from the other player.
And the other player threw his cards forward a centimeter, then realized he had the winning hand, grabbed them, and turned them over.
They never got anywhere near the muck.
And they were easily identifiable and exposed.
And this is a ruling every floor makes 100 out of 100 times that he ends live and it counts and it wins.
And this guy managed to spend three and a half hours in the drunk tank arguing that point.
So it was great.
So, yeah, that was magical.
That was my favorite 86. The drunk idiot who refused to pay off a $275 bet.
At the fabulous.
My favorite 69 was...
Because a gentleman doesn't tell, as they say.
Listeners can hear that on Hellworld After Dark.
After Dark.
You gotta do the whisper for the ASMR.
That's what it's all about.
What does my hat say?
Your hat says Crisis Actor.
Which, because we're about 13 minutes into the pod, is our actual topic.
But you're gonna know that because we're gonna put that in the title of the pod.
So those of you who are listening going, when are they gonna get to the Crisis Actors?
Stop talking about your fucking boring life in Vegas, asshole.
Now we are here.
Crisis actors are a part of the alternate reality of grand unifying conspiracy theories, as I, as I call them, um, like conspiracy, because conspiracy theories can be something silly and trivial, like Bigfoot or Beyonce wasn't really pregnant or any kind of nonsense like Yep.
Or the conspiracy theory can be something like, the Jews secretly rule the world, which is a grand unifying conspiracy theory.
Because that explains why everything in your life sucks.
Because the bad people are making it suck.
And that's just not reality.
Sorry, the bad people aren't screwing you over.
You maybe should just look into some self-improvement.
Hit the gym, buddy, says that guy on the podcast.
But, hey, I'm – I don't care.
The bad people that are screwing you over are not the big hand entity.
It's more like people who make laws that make it so you can't get access to healthcare or whatnot.
That's the hyper-normalization.
You know, it's...
People that raise your utility rates.
Your corporation commission.
They're making your life hard.
That's what I'm saying.
Yes.
Your life is being made hard by people who are obviously doing that in your face, on TV.
And you don't care.
Because those people are mad at Imani Khalif for winning a gold medal in boxing.
And that was bad and wrong.
And we need to put a stop to it.
And you know what else is bad?
Woke.
I don't like woke.
So now my eggs are $10 an egg and that's fine.
Because we're defeating the woke egg virus.
But anyhow.
The point of this is that crisis actors are a concept about conspiracy theories.
That any event that happens, that event is in some way staged.
It is faked.
And that part of the fakeness is that people in the area around the event are They're not really witnesses.
What they are is government plants who have been sent there to lie about what happened during that event.
These people have become known as crisis actors.
This conspiracy is something that has been omnipresent inside.
The right-wing griftosphere for a long time.
9-11 had crisis actors.
Sandy Hook, famously, literally everyone is a crisis actor.
Any mass casualty event, if someone acts out of place, if someone says or does something that seems a little awkward or weird, that person is a crisis actor.
Question.
Does the...
This is somewhat considered pejorative, but does the basically conspiracy around so-called Pallywood kind of fall into this?
Where essentially people kind of believe that, for listeners who don't know, the atrocities that we're seeing in Gaza and Palestine are all actors, which is...
You know, State Senator Wendy Rogers, Arizona, has mentioned that the, like, she pretty infamously called the Buffalo mass shooting a false flag.
She said it was crisis factors, which is, like, It's the denial of white supremacist terror.
You know?
Yeah.
Anyways.
No, what you just said is, that's the story.
I mean, the story is that any event you see involving dead people and people crying over their dead bodies is...
It's bullshit.
It's all fake to just play on your emotions.
It's a scam.
And one of my favorite versions of this story is I believe that this was a Palestinian girl but these people will post these And they'll be like, it's weird how this little Palestinian girl keeps being involved in all these bombings.
And there's a picture of her with this one guy.
Then there's a picture of her with another guy.
And then there's a picture of her with a third guy.
And the point of the video montage is to tell you, is to try to indicate to you that this is three separate bombings.
And this little girl has somehow been involved in all three.
And this obviously means that this shit's faked because they're just bringing her in as to be the tiny little Palestinian victim to the bombing.
And the people that have actually done the research are like, no, this was one incident.
And the first person that saw her was a first responder.
And then the second person that held onto her was security.
And then the third person was her family.
This was not three separate events.
It was one smooth event where you transition from this person taking care of her to this person taking care of her to this person taking care of her.
And what these people are saying is horseshit.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
I was just going to say I was Googling and under misinformation in the Gaza War on Wikipedia, there's a whole subsection about It literally says allegations of crisis acting.
So yeah, this is a pretty prominent conspiracy even here.
I've seen this in terms of people promoting this terrible conspiracy.
Yeah, this Saleh Ali Jafarawi, I'm sure I definitely nailed that.
He's like a blogger and Became journalists, like, on-the-ground journalists.
I saw him getting baked as a crisis actor a lot during this just because he was appearing at a lot of incidents where stuff happened because he's literally a fucking, like, blogger and journalist.
But also some of it was just, like, misidentifying him completely because it's, like, people were just being racist in that case where they're just like, oh, this guy looks like him.
But, yeah.
The Sandy Hook thing, I watched the documentary.
I watched the documentary to prepare because Stephanie's obviously going to speak and that's a pretty big component of it.
Talk about a fucking bummer.
Chat, I would not recommend.
I would recommend it because it's good, but I would also just prepare yourself.
It was a bummer.
It was a very good movie and it was the first time that Lenny Posner Appeared without his face obstructed in 10 years.
That was the first time.
And at the time that the film was first coming out, he was still being actively stalked by Wolfgang Halbig.
But it was a really big deal that that was the first time he showed his face in 10 years.
And that to me was like the happy moment of the film.
and that was a big thing for him.
So, like, I guess I kind of You know?
Yeah, do you want to explain for the listeners a little bit more about Lenny?
Yeah, Lenny is the father of the youngest victim of Sandy Hook, and that's his son Noah Posner.
Really, the crisis actor stuff kind of started bubbling really around 2011, 2010, right around that time.
And Mike Adams, just hours after Aurora happened, the Aurora shooting, he had already posted that it looked fake.
And Sandy Hook happened about six months after Aurora.
You know, we already had this, like, fertile ground and stuff like that.
And when Sandy Hook happened, it was almost, like, instant.
It happened pretty quickly.
I didn't start, like, getting into the Sandy Hook crisis act or stuff until, like, maybe around late.
2015, 2016?
And I was, I left all that stuff behind February of 2017.
But the thing that, and we talked about this on our Twitch stream last night, the thing that led me to Crisis Actor was the No Planes.
And in my research, I did this huge article on crisis factors, and I spent many, many months interviewing people, listening, watching, taking notes, all this shit.
And a lot of this stuff really truly does come from the more fringe elements of the 9-11 truth movement.
It kind of started with a lot of the no-planes people.
And because once you can deny that those people on those planes didn't exist, you can kind of move on to know when it existed.
And in my article, I talk about a guy named Simon Schack who...
So we have a lapse of about six years in between that and Sandy Hook.
But the thing is, everyone's like, who's Simon Shack?
I never heard of this guy.
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Can we assume that these people at Sandy Hook are vixens?
I'm like, there's a connection.
That's using Simon's specific word right in connection with Sandy Hook.
And in the Sandy Hook Facebook group transcript, I saw one guy that said, no one died at Cantor Fitzgerald.
And they had more people die in that company than any other company that was located in the Two Towers that day.
So the crisis actor thing just seemed to come out of nowhere.
But, you know, nothing really happens in a vacuum.
There was a lot of shit going on before that.
And, you know, what I call the formative years of the crisis actor movement, that's like from like 2011 to like...
You had Boston bombing.
You had Aurora.
You had Sandy Hook.
It was, for a few years, though, it was just nonstop.
And then, you know, Sandy Hook happened in 2012, and you had all those Mayan calendar things going on and all this stuff.
So there was a lot of, like, different factors that kind of prepped.
The public to accept this bullshit.
Yeah, it felt like a particularly violent point in time with these mass shootings that were happening.
And Sandy Hook was just like, especially like right in the heart because it was little kids.
I remember I had just like basically gotten out of high school after that and even I was, it was just like...
But also it was like one of those moments where in kind of the way that the Wayfair conspiracy kind of felt like it like breached containment and seeped into the kind of more mainstream like Kind of more, like, ecosystem.
That's how I, I felt like Sandy Hook was, it was very visibly that was happening at the time, too.
I remember being on, like, more, like, lib, lefty kind of forums back then and seeing it on there and being like, what is fucking happening?
Because it was just, like, out of, it was out of its normal containment.
And in that documentary, in this, The People vs.
Alex Jones on HBO, They mentioned in the documentary and it was also mentioned in court that like 24% of the country essentially either denies Sandy Hook happened or does like question the official narrative and that's like that's a quarter of the fucking country.
That's fucking obscene.
And that sounds weird but you have to keep in mind like shortly after 9-11 statistics showed that about 25% of the country thought It was an inside job, too.
I mean, that portion, since the documentary came out and since the statistics were taken for 9-11, those numbers have probably gone up to some slight extent.
And they seem like completely unrelated events.
What does 9-11 have to do with mass shootings and stuff?
The groundwork was there with the 9-11 stuff.
And the interesting thing about the term crisis actor, it was first used.
but it was first used in 1977 by Professor Michael Brecker of McGill University in Montreal.
And he had a paper called Toward And that was the first time that crisis actor was used, except in the context of his paper, the crisis actor he was discussing were like states or nations.
And, you know, etymology is very fluid, so over time that kind of got bastardized.
Everyone needs to understand that there are real crisis actors.
And these are people who could have limited acting experience or maybe this is what they do for their bread and butter, but anytime there's going to be a drill, maybe someone has to be rescued from a burning building or someone has to pretend that they were just shot or nuked.
And it makes more sense to have these people because Oh, doctor, I am presenting with signs of a heart attack.
That's not going to work.
You know, you have to actually have someone who can act that.
Yeah, emergency response training.
Yeah.
And this will happen every now and then where these idiots will find, oh, look at this Craigslist ad for crisis actors.
And it's like, yeah, it's a military drill and they want people, people are going to get.
Because training with dummies is not nearly the same thing as training with actual human beings and having to handle human body weight.
Especially when that human body weight is limp.
I want to do that.
Me too.
Stephanie, you want to do it?
I want to do it and write about...
Like, oh, she used to believe in the Crisis Act or conspiracy theories, and now she's taking part to see what it's really like.
I just think that that would be a good thing for me to kind of do to write about.
Oh my god, this would be such a funny also just bonus episode if we all did that, just like did a crisis actor.
Mike, I want to see you in the fields running drills.
Oh, I mean, I would be the bad casualty.
I'd be the guy that everyone, like, I'd throw your back out having to sling me over your shoulder and carry me to safety.
They don't even have to put makeup on you.
You got the gash right now.
I know.
I'm all busted up.
I'm, like, fucked up.
I mean, it's like, oh, my God.
I'd be the one who shows up already in makeup.
I'm like, let's do this!
And everyone's like, settle down.
I honestly also thought it was incredibly badass what Lenny did as far as essentially doing anti-fascist action just against these false flag crisis actor hoaxer type people and did identify where this information was coming from and do everything in his power to get it taken down.
Very cool.
I also remember the crisis actor conspiracy being really popular during the Parkland school shooting.
It was immediate.
That was another one that was immediate and feels like it reached a little bit of a peak.
Especially because, I don't know, I feel like with David Hogg, Like, pushing back, it just made them more want to, like, go after him, too, in the same way that, like, kind of some of the Sandy Hook people got.
That's what happened with Lenny.
Like, David Hogg, like, from what I've seen of, like, because I don't know David Hogg personally.
What I've seen of him and, like, what I know from talking to Lenny and, like, the interviews I've seen with Lenny and stuff, that they have, like, a similar personality of, like, Oh, I'm not going to lay down and take this.
Come at me.
And sometimes that's how you have to go with these people because these are not...
I remember my dad called me.
San Bernardino had just happened.
And he asked if I was anywhere near there.
And I didn't even know where it was.
And I was like, why?
What happened?
He was like, oh, there was a shooting there.
I was like, oh, that's a false flag.
Like, that's exactly what I said.
Those were my exact words.
Because if you believe one crisis act or conspiracy theory, if one shooting is fake, then you have a choice to discern which ones are fake and which ones are real.
Or it's just easier to go with everything's fake.
And that's usually where most people...
And I thought with Pulse, I'm like, okay, well, gun control, gay people, and Muslims are really, really, really big news items right now.
There's no way this could be real.
Well, they were big news items at the time because those were all things that were like in the zeitgeist.
And it was real.
And I was on the fence about Pulse.
Because I watched videos of people crying, and I wasn't sure.
I wasn't sure about Pulse.
Yeah, I think we're kind of seeing that rhetoric literally like today, as in this day, with like some people calling false flag with what happened at the Jewish Museum in DC.
Kind of just like, oh, isn't that convenient that it happens to bring up stories related to Israel and Palestine right now?
And it's like, yeah, because it's in the...
So it's, like, normal that you would hear, you know, at the time, like, issues related to gay people, Muslims, etc., gun control.
But in conspiracy brain, you automatically find that suspicious, essentially.
You know?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, again, all the people that are mad, lunatic, anti-Semite, Israel must be destroyed folks, have immediately blamed Mossad for the attack.
Nobody's real.
No one ever really dies in any of these conspiracies.
It's all bullshit.
I went digging and I remembered that Fall Cabal had a section on crisis actors and You would not believe the amount of work I had to do to trick Twitter into letting me access my Fall Cabal thread.
Because typing in Fall of the Cabal and my Twitter handle does not take me to that.
It says no hits.
I tried numerous different words, but finally the word Dutch.
because Janet Oberstad, the writer of, the maker of Falkabal is Dutch and she, has this really self-aggrandizing section in the series where she's whining about the Dutch Royal family.
And I was able to hit the thread from there.
And crisis actor Mason Wells is the first one that's brought up.
And Mason Wells is a young man who was involved in a –
he was literally in France when a terror attack happened in France, the Paris bombings in November 2015.
And this is the thing, is that Janet Oberstad and all these conspiracy theorists about crisis actors, they make it sound like this kid.
Got blown up in Belgium, and then he was attacked again in Boston, and then he was attacked again in Paris.
And if you actually read his story, he was at the Boston Marathon, but nowhere near where the bombs went off.
And he was, quote, two hours away from Paris when the attacks happened in Paris.
So he's a dude who was directly impacted by one act of terrorism and then vaguely in the vicinity of two other acts of terrorism.
But nope, the deep state only has a limited budget for actors and actresses.
So they kept just putting this kid into all these terrorism events.
Yeah, they said that about Lenny's son, too.
There was some kind of an attack by the Taliban.
And one of the grieving women held a photo of Noah.
And they're like, oh, well, how did this kid die twice?
What?
No.
These are people from a different culture who are showing a photo of a dead American child saying, we feel your pain because we feel our own pain.
It's an act of humanity.
It's an act of compassion.
And it gets labeled as, how did this boy die twice?
Like, how is holding a picture of, like, evidence?
I just, I can't.
I can't.
I mean, some of the evidence, too, that was used against another father, that Robbie Parker, who was also severely harassed because...
I remember this one where he was at the press conference and he is like seen kind of like smiling for a second before he starts talking about his daughter and then he obviously starts breaking down while talking about his daughter.
And he explains in the documentary just like he kind of just like I've never done this and I just kind of nervously laughed which is such a me thing.
That's constantly me.
I would definitely get baked all hell.
Because I laugh at inappropriate times.
And honestly, too, it's such a weird way to analyze grief.
You can't have a moment where you just aren't bawling.
The day that my dad died, I cracked an inappropriate joke just to deal with what was happening.
It's like people aren't just bawling their fucking eyes out.
Every second after a tragedy.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
No, I just said, go ahead.
It was such a weird thing to latch onto and then severely harass this poor father over who was trying to memorial his daughter in that moment.
And they did the shady ghost hunter EVP shit with that video because when...
That's not what he said.
But you hear him saying that because the headline's telling you that's what he said.
They're planting that in your head.
What he's saying is, should I start?
Okay.
And also, keep in mind, when my mom was in the ICU, we would be sitting in the ICU waiting room or be in the room with her.
And me and my friends, family, we're all stressed.
We're all miserable.
We're crying.
We're upset.
And then my friends and I would go down to the hospital cafeteria.
And I was just talking to my ex-husband about this.
And he was like, you know, I know that was such a horrible time.
And he's like, but I really enjoyed it.
And I was like, the cafeteria.
He goes, yes.
Because we would be down there laughing, having fun, and then we'd be back up in the ICU room, waiting room, crying.
And all of my friends who were there with me, they were like, that fucking cafeteria, those were the best moments we had while this was going on.
Grief doesn't follow instructions.
It follows stages.
It follows patterns.
It doesn't follow instructions.
There's no time limit.
That was the most important thing that I learned from my mother's death.
You can't say, oh, it seems a little suspicious maybe about this.
This isn't how I would react.
That doesn't mean that there's something up with it.
None of that means anything.
Different people have different grief reactions, and the fact that other people can't.
Understand that.
Like, y 'all need some help.
Yeah, why do you think...
Okay, so why do you think that you...
Correct.
My, my, I was still, I wasn't fully like, I was pretty sure that it wasn't real.
What makes you think that your mind went that way at that time?
Well, I think having reached the end of the normal 9-11 stuff, that's when I found the no planes.
And I keep telling people, and it's important, you have to look at conspiracy theories as a drug.
You need higher and higher doses.
Most people don't just jump into something like Flat Earth or Holocaust Denial.
That's something that usually there's a progression towards it.
And, I mean, that has changed in more recent times, you know.
But there tends to be stages in it where, like with the No Planes documentary that got me into that stuff, September Clues, at the very start.
And I only caught this last night when we were streaming.
It says we dedicate this documentary to all the people who died that day.
Simon doesn't think anyone died that day.
But yet he's putting that at the start of his movie because he knows if he can get you to believe no planes in New York City, then you're going to go visit his forum and then you're going to read his victims report.
It's all stages.
They want to get you in stages.
And I see it all over Simon's shitty forum.
And, like, one of the rules is if you disagree with anything Simon says, you get Buddha from his forum.
So it stages.
You need to take...
And I kind of broke that down even for like the no planes thing goes in stages where, okay, there's no photographs of 93. So that's easy to believe.
And there's only two photographs of Pentagon.
So you can kind of believe that too.
And there aren't too many shots of the first plane hitting the North Tower.
So you kind of believe that.
Then you get to like flight 175 in the South Tower, which millions of people watched.
And then they tell you to believe that that's not real.
And if you'll buy that, then once you're ready to believe no planes in New York City, you're ready to believe anything, literally.
Yeah, no plane 9-11 is one of those things where you have to ignore all the eyewitnesses and you have to deny reality.
They're in on it.
Oh yeah, the millions of New Yorkers watching it with their own eyes and all the rest of it.
It's that sort of thing.
And this is a lie where I've seen in videos people talk about how the Illuminati made it so there was only one video feed so they could bring in the second plane.
Fake second plane in.
The fake to black.
They called it the fake to black.
Yeah.
And if you go on YouTube, you can find like dozens.
You can find like over, I think it's like, unfortunately, like 17 or 18, like actual videos of the plane hitting the second tower.
No plane 9-11 is a version of mortal error.
Mortal error is the idea that the Secret Service and the backup car to JFK accidentally shot and killed him.
That Oswald fired two shots, and then a Secret Service agent grabbed the AR-15 in the backup car, went to use it, went to try to protect the president with it, slipped on a banana peel and shot the president in the head and killed him.
And there weren't millions of witnesses like 9-11, but we had nearly 100 eyewitnesses, and you know what zero of them saw?
The Secret Service agent shooting Kennedy in the head.
These sorts of conspiracy theories involve removing all the eyewitnesses and all the actual evidence of the event from the situation, and then you can put into the event your nonsense, your gobbledygook, your theory that does not hold up under the slightest bit of scrutiny.
And yet, I mean, It's just, no.
No, it doesn't make any sense.
It's incredibly stupid, and you should feel bad for saying that.
It's comforting.
I mean, as sick as this sounds, and Daria Karpova, she works for Alex Jones in her deposition before the Sandy Hook trials.
She said that, you know, she recently had a kid and it seems more comforting to her to imagine that these kids didn't really die than to accept the truth and stuff like that.
And there, there is.
essentially.
You know, if you were, if you were there on 9-11 and you saw someone injured on the sidewalk, yeah, you could go over and help them.
But as you're watching those people fall to their death, you're a helpless bystander.
You can't help them.
And you want Like, I was in Pennsylvania when Sandy Hook happened, and my initial response to it, because I didn't give a shit about anything in the world, was, oh, well.
Like, literally, that, that.
And as a helpless bystander, the conspiracy theories put order in our lives.
And if you personally just want to...
And you just internalize that.
Okay.
But nobody does that.
Nobody just internalizes the belief anymore.
And with the crisis actors, it really, again, it did kind of start with 9-11 where people were taking to the streets with their conspiracy theories.
And that came about with the crisis actor stuff too.
The Vice News.
A video about the rise of the crisis after you see Cy Thorne and Conspiracy Granny and fucking Tony Mead and you just see these people like why are you going down to Sutherland Springs, Texas to scream at a pastor whose daughter is dead and you're standing there screaming in his face your daughter's not dead how the fuck do you ever come back for that?
And the answer is You don't.
Once these people take this shit out into the street, once they're confronting 9-11 survivors, or they're confronting parents of dead children, there's no coming back from that.
Yeah, that conspiracy granny was defacing the Sutherland Springs Church memorial site.
Yeah.
People are lucky that these parents don't throw hands more.
I honestly, that was one of the things while watching this, I was like, these parents are true saints.
Yeah, and like, seeing that pastor, how he maintained, like, how the fuck did you not punch that asshole?
And, you know, God bless that man, no pun intended, for being able to hold, and I can't.
Like, if someone came up to me and said, oh, your mom never died.
She wasn't real.
My mom died of natural causes.
It was unexpected, but a brain aneurysm is natural.
And I try to tell myself, like, imagine if she'd been killed by someone and then someone told me she didn't exist.
I'm like, no, man, I'm in jail because I murdered someone.
I think, I do understand why a lot of people sort of cope in this way, like, they just are just like, no, it's not real.
But why do you guys both think that like some of these mass tragedies just like breach containment and for some reason, like it seems like even more people than normal kind of believe in that it's a false flag or they're crisis actors, like with.
It's the, for me, I think it's the, there are factors that go into it, like for Sandy Hook, that was a lot of children, a lot of really, really young children.
So that really stuck in people's minds.
And then And then later on, I think there were a few of the Vegas survivors that were having some kind of reunion with other survivors.
Was it Oak Lakes, California?
And there was a shooting there.
So these people who survived Las Vegas, one of them actually lost their lives at another shooting.
It doesn't mean these shootings are fake or that this person's carrying around a curse.
It just means these shootings are so prevalent.
And so when you have what I would call like extenuating circumstances, like high body count, weird beliefs, like the Zizians, like if they had done a mass shooting, that shit would be...
Yeah.
And really, there's a good code word there for anybody who hates ICE.
You just tell a nice agent to go to Vermont.
But, you know, I think there, and like with Pulse, it was a high number.
You know, you had a Latino population and it was a gay club.
When you see these shootings or these events that have a strange uniqueness to them, I think that's one of the factors.
Mike, what do you think?
I think it's mostly about who's pushing it and how strongly is a group going to push the idea that this, in particular, this shooting or this event was a false flag.
This was bullshit.
And once Alex Jones got on the whole Sandy Hook thing, you now have lots of people that defend Alex Jones who are like, look, he was right about Sandy Hook.
And they just made an example out of him for speaking harsh truths that the deep state doesn't want you to know about.
And that then gets you into 9-11 and that sort of thing.
And it's just every mass shooting in America.
Is immediately dismissed as a false flag and with crisis actors by the conspiracy theorists.
These people will never take accountability for the shit they do.
I mean, I recently saw a guy retweet his post about when the Pizzagate shooter committed suicide by a cop and they were just like...
they will immediately disown you.
You immediately are the bad guy.
You're immediately a deep state plant.
You are not part of the movement.
It wouldn't matter.
Q Shaman.
Yes, yes, exactly.
Q Shaman.
Dude standing in the well of the fucking Senate after storming the Capitol and all of QAnon's like, fuck this guy.
We don't own him.
We denounce you, Q Shaman, even though you are literally the Q Shaman.
Yeah, that's how they are.
There is nothing that they will accept responsibility for.
They didn't do it.
Whatever it was, not them.
Not me.
Can't blame me for that shit.
I had no hand in it.
And that's just the way they operate for literally everything.
And it's super, super depressing to know that people that poison people's minds with lies and bullshit work so hard to avoid accountability.
And that the Q summon was...
The Pizzagate shooter was a plant.
Everyone involved in these events is in on it.
It's all bullshit.
In professional wrestling, the fake, punchy, kicky stuff, we call that a work.
And if you start really punching and kicking each other, that's called a shoot.
And in the conspiracy world, everything's a work.
Nothing is legitimate.
Nothing is real.
Everything is scripted.
Everything's controlled.
And that's...
You know, you could...
Pro wrestling is a lot hotter a long time ago.
Pro wrestling ain't big now.
Right, I know, but I mean, pro wrestling is so embedded into our general cultural psyche.
We're used to this spectacle.
Where it looks like people are fighting, but are they?
Or aren't they?
What's real?
Well, I mean, because we're in my world now, but the main thing that I would say about that kind of mentality is what's really going on is with the prevalency of sports betting, more people now think that real sports are rigged because they think that Everything's just set up to make DraftKings and FanDuel more money,
and that everything is rigged for the sports books to win money, which is not true.
And since sports betting has been legal for forever, and it wasn't the...
Yeah, so like...
And it's like, no, no, they didn't.
And guess what?
They didn't.
They lost by a million points for the Eagles.
calm down.
But that...
Every time the NBA lottery happens, if a team wins it and people don't like that team, oh, the lottery was rigged.
Oh, the ref was in on it.
There's just this bigger and bigger mentality to think that everything's bullshit.
That everything is being controlled by the unseen hand.
Everything's the Montreal screwjob.
What's really funny about you saying that is the Montreal Screwjob was a shoot.
The Montreal Screwjob is the exact opposite.
Because that was not...
No.
Okay.
The Montreal Screwjob was them betraying a wrestler and fucking him over when he was basically The company was gently nudging him out the door.
But he was leaving the company.
He had signed a contract with their rival company.
And WWE needed him to drop the belt because they're not going to have their world champion join another company while champion.
And he didn't want to lose the belt while he was in Canada because he's the Canadian hero and that was his gimmick.
So they told him, we're going to knock the ref down, shit's going to happen, and then the bad guys are going to run in the ring, and then your friends are going to run in the ring, and the match is going to get thrown out, and that's going to be the result.
And then when the ref got knocked down, Brett let his opponent put him in a submission hold, and then the refs never get up after they get knocked down in wrestling.
It's a trope that as you breathe on a ref, he's knocked down for 20 minutes.
His opponent put him in a submission hold and the ref suddenly just pops to his feet and calls for the bell and Vince McMahon is also at ringside and he demands the bell to be rung and they just lie and say that Brett submitted to the submission hold and now his opponent is the champion.
And this was a legitimate fuckover.
This was not the script.
They fucked him out of the belt.
They betrayed him.
And that's the Montreal Screwjob, which was actually a shoot.
But what is very funny is you can talk to some wrestlers and those wrestlers will tell you, you know, I think the Montreal Screwjob was a work.
Even the most famous shoot in modern wrestling history has people saying, no, I think it was worked.
I think it was fake.
So it's very funny.
It's very funny that you brought that up.
But yeah.
But it's just that mentality.
The mentality that nothing's on the level anymore.
Everything's designed to screw you over.
It's so funny because these people are still betting on the sport, even though they're declaring the sport to be rigged while they're betting on it.
And it's just like...
Don't try to tell me who's going to win based on talent or the matchup or any of that.
Just tell me, who does the league want to win the game based on making money off the teams?
Question.
Yes.
Are there any popular movies that use the crisis actor as a central plot point?
No, but I'm writing one in my head now.
Yeah, not that I know of.
Because you know how these guys always latch on to movies, kind of, the QAnon people, or kind of get a lot of their perspective from movies.
So I was just wondering if that was something that is in, like, any popular movies.
Because I can't think of any off the top of my head.
No, the idea of a movie that is about a crisis actor is not something that I've seen.
I mean, obviously, like, there are movies where the government does stuff because Eric had mentioned that, like, the long kiss goodnight was about, like, how the CIA was going to do a terrorism to get more funding.
And so...
Oh!
JFK!
Oliver Stone's terrible movie, JFK.
That's a great one.
This is a real thing in the Kennedy assassination was that, I don't know, 10, 15 minutes before the limo, or maybe even longer, but it was a period of time before...
A man had an epileptic seizure in Dealey Plaza.
And an ambulance had to come get him.
They put him on a stretcher.
They got him out of there.
And Oliver Stone really beats it into the ground that this guy was totally in on it.
That this guy was something to distract the, Got to the grassy knoll in the Dell Tech building in the Texas School Book Depository.
I can say, and Haley can vouch for this because we both went to Dealey Plaza, Dealey Plaza is very small.
If one guy was having an epileptic fit on the ground, I would still notice six guys walking to the grassy knoll carrying briefcases.
I'd be like, oh man, we need some medical attention to this guy over here.
What are those six guys with briefcases doing walking over behind that fence?
That looks fucking suspect.
What the shit?
It was very funny how small it was, because it's just like, when you arrive to the location, you're there.
Right.
Yeah.
Because we kept showing up at different days, and it was just so funny how I could just be like, hey, Mike!
Yep.
Like, you're just right there.
Right.
is very small.
Yeah, it's, I mean, you, I think it's because it has a name, because it's called Daily Plaza.
You would think it would be bigger and more grand, but no.
It is like half a block of road, if that.
It is tiny.
You can casually stroll from the Texas School Book Depository to the Grassy Knoll in maybe three minutes.
Maybe three minutes maximum.
Yeah, if you busted out your Google Maps and were at the Texas School Book Depository and, like, typed in Grassy Knoll, it would be, like, one minute or, like, two minutes for your walk distance because it's very small.
So, no, some guy having a medical episode in Dealey Plaza would not distract me from Kill Team 7. Beginning to break down their tripods and their spotters and their telescopic rifles as they walked over to the stockade fence by the grassy knoll.
That wouldn't have mattered.
That's the only crisis actor I can think of in modern cinema.
Because that's the only thing I can think about is the Kennedy assassination.
Mike's a boring boy!
I googled to see what Google would give me.
Apparently the plot of Iron Man 3 starring Robert Downey Jr.
It says, a think tank orchestrates false flag terror attacks using a fabricated villain, the Mandarin, like an orange, to manipulate public perception and further their agenda.
I've never seen this.
I'm not really into it.
Mandarin?
An orange?
An orange used to influence?
I just baked that for you.
Have you seen this one, Mike?
Is this true?
Is this a correct synopsis?
I'm sure it is, but I think the really thing that's really kind of funny about it is the Mandarin is supposed to be an Asian villain, and people were very much like, you know, I don't know if, like, because he was obviously named a million years ago before we got all woke and everything.
But people were just sort of like, you know, I don't know if his name is really, like, great.
Because that name is kind of dicey.
And then, on top of all that, Ben Kingsley played him, which was really not an Asian person.
So it was like, man, what are we doing here?
This is really wild.
And so, yeah.
I really didn't watch a ton of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
I mean, I watched Iron Man 1, I watched The Avengers, and all that good stuff.
So now I'm reading a British actor, another bad guy hired to portray the Mandarins.
So that's how they got away with the whole fact that a non-Asian guy was playing the Asian villain.
I think Kingsley is like...
Because he played Gandhi.
I don't think Kingsley is his real name.
But it's just, I think it's a different kind of Asian.
As far as what the Mandarin is supposed to be, just what I'm looking at.
This also says that the I've never seen this, but the Manchurian Candidate is plot.
A soldier is brainwashed into becoming an unwitting assassin in a calm Black's political conspiracy raising questions about manipulated events and hidden agendas.
That was like mind control type.
Damn, okay.
So yeah, nothing really in the public.
We should make a crisis actor movie.
The Manchurian Candidate is like a very famous that's a very famous book and movie.
I've just never seen it.
That's what they went with for the Aurora shooter.
Was they were, they were talking about like the dilation of his pupils in court.
And, and, and also with the, the big Batman conspiracy that went around was that in what, what was the first of.
was it just called Dark Night?
Like in the first one, And then in The Dark Knight Rises, which was the film that was playing at the theater when the shooting happened, there's a scene where, like, I think it's the one with Bane in it.
Yeah, Dark Knight Rises.
There's a scene of a map, and it's laid out, and there's a section of Gotham City.
Titled Sandy Hook, and it's circled, and it says Strike Zone.
And everyone's like, these two shootings are connected, and they're connected through the Batman movies.
Well, it turns out, like, the prop master used to live in Sandy Hook, and that was just a shout-out to, like, where he used to live.
And then everyone made a big deal because he got into a car accident and died, like, a few months later.
Like, do you really think they're gonna give you coded references?
It's to mass shootings in movies?
No.
In the Batman movie?
Yeah.
Yeah, Batman Begins was the first movie, and then The Dark Knight was the second movie, and The Dark Knight Rises was the final movie.
Okay, thank you.
He has to be.
I mean, honestly.
Tom Hardy, too?
Damn.
He's hot.
And somewhere out there, you know, James Cameron is secretly trying to create Skynet.
Oh my god, that reminds me.
Tucker had some fucking clown on his clown show.
And the guy was talking to Tucker and he was like, we can't even turn the AI off anymore.
We think it's lying to us about where it's getting its power from.
And these people were like, oh shit, it's like Chad, PTG, Skynet.
And I'm like...
The machine can't lie to you about where it's getting its power.
You think the machine has, like, created solar panels inside the fucking computer?
Like, no, just unplug it.
And now it's not working anymore.
Like, what do you want about?
You having a fucking laugh, mate?
Like, what are you talking about?
I love people that think that LLMs are gonna just, like, take over.
It's like, Grok is shitting out absolute horse shit at me constant.
Not me, personally, because I don't have a checkmark or use Twitter, but every time I see people asking, hey, like, hey, Grok, explain this.
At Grok, what's this?
It is so wrong, it's wild.
It's wrong on simple stuff.
I saw it wrong yesterday.
Someone asked for, it was a scene.
From Blood Diamond, and somebody asked what it was from, and they got a completely, Grok responded with a completely different Leonardo DiCaprio movie.
I'm just like, this thing is actually fucking stupid.
Like, it doesn't give, it's the opposite of helpful.
And I found a No Planer blog, and they had an article where they used ChatGPT to prove that there were no planes that day, and then they did another article.
Using chat GPT to prove that the Oklahoma City bombing was an inside job.
Well, here's the thing.
You can train these fucking AI things.
If you keep typing in the same shit, they will pick up on that.
They will start to take it as fact.
And just really, like, you conspiracy theorists.
Think that the planes on 9-11 were created for some mass false delusion, but you trust a computer program to tell you the truth about that.
I mean, they're not doing their conspiracy theories right.
I've noticed an increase just recently of people who yell at me that I'm wrong, yelling at me that I'm wrong with evidence via...
Or, like, just faulty, weird AI programs that, like, you pay a few bucks for and it's supposed to do all this stuff that it definitely doesn't do.
and it's just like you're getting scammed and you're believing lies and I yeah this is just something that we're going to have to deal with now is the more disinformation and people like There's supposed to be some debunking AI chatbot that's supposed to be some tool for conspiracy theorists to use to fact check themselves.
You all just spent a shit ton of money on something that is never going to be used.
Congratulations.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just, well, yeah.
Thank you.
I just want to say if you want to check out Honor Network, it's honrnetwork.org and that's run by Lenny and I am a volunteer for his group and these people are real.
I've spoken To Lenny on the phone.
I know he's a real person.
We're friends.
We text each other.
We send each other pictures.
And before you go out there and you say something about how something looks a little fishy or something else looks a little fishy, pretend that computer screen isn't there.
And think very carefully, how would I feel if someone said this to me?
And just try not to be a shitty asshole because that's what the crisis actor stuff turns you into, a shitty asshole.
Yeah, I mentioned that in a post today about how when you get into these kinds of things, when you get into these conspiracy theories, the world just exists to just pump that.
Negativity and that anger into you.
And like, again, this shooting of the two Israeli diplomats.
Immediately, these fucking assholes are all just like, oh, false flag, Bob, Bob, Mossad did it.
And that's the thing is that you're so conditioned to just hate and to just blame your enemies for everything bad that's happening in the world.
You're just miserable all the time.
Because if anything bad happens in the world, the bad guys did it and they got one over on the good guys.
And it's just like, that's such a bleak way to live.
It's such a depressing way to just...
it is horrible living in that world when I finally came out I like I just I kind of went like like I did this nice light but it was also a very heavy sigh like I could feel my whole body kind of relief and I felt relieved like haha this is
The thing that I point out to people is The thing that gets people into conspiracy theories is the phrase, they are lying to you.
Well, guess what?
Conspiracy theorists, they are lying to you.
And I have gone back so many times over shit I once believed, like the September clues, and I've gone over all this 9-11 footage, and I've looked, and I've looked, and every time I look for deception that maybe the government did have something to do with 9-11, I can't find it.
But when I go in, And I watch these conspiracy documentaries about it.
I see the deception.
I see the deceptive editing.
And, oh, why can't you see the plane crash?
Well, it's because you only showed a second of it, asshole.
And you pulled the camera back before that.
You got to that.
It's all deception.
And it also distracts you.
If you're so busy thinking...
Guess what?
You're missing out on the fact that, oh, hey, guess what?
This government agency just shut down, so say goodbye to clean water or something.
You're too busy being distracted with shit that isn't real.
You're chasing UFOs when you should be chasing the truth.
You're not a conspiracy theorist if you believe in this shit.
You are a hoaxer.
Yep.
Yep.
And fuck you.
Not you.
No, not you.
And because he might listen to this, we just want to say shout out to Lenny and thank you for the work you do.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're pretty amazing if you are listening, Lenny.
Fuck these guys that harass these people.
I don't know how...
I would have thrown hands long ago.
Thank you, Stephanie.
That was really good.
I like hearing your insight on this.
Thank you.
I have nothing to say.
This is your expertise.
Mike, if you have anything to say, close it out.
I mean, I think we've gone over all of this.
Crisis actors...
Just the mentality of living in this alternate reality where everyone's in on it except me.
I'm the main character of the Truman Show and I'm the one who's getting screwed over because everybody else is setting me up for some kind of failure.
And I just think that that is the main point of this kind of thing, is you're just dealing with a massive denial of reality.
You're making a conspiracy that's so massive that not only are the perpetrators...
And how far away do we have to get from the conspiracy for people to not be in on it?
I mean, it's just like, how massive could this possibly be?
Because it's just totally incoherent.
Anyone will tell you about, like, a conspiracy of any massive size will eventually collapse.
Because somebody will say something.
Somebody will blurt it out.
Somebody's going to fuck it up.
And that's why massive conspiracies don't actually work.
I mean, it's hilarious to think that the entirety of New York City was in on a conspiracy together.
They can't agree on anything.
They can't agree on anything.
Could you imagine?
A mass of Americans agreeing on fucking anything and agreeing to anything together?
No.
No.
We hate each other.
Yeah.
We're very miserable people, and we enjoy being miserable and not being happy with each other.
So, yeah.
It's very silly to think that that's the way this is going to work out.
Haley's done.
I'm done.
Any final thought stuff?
No, but also, if you find that maybe you're edging towards these kind of beliefs, you can find me.
I'm easy to find, and I'll help you.
I'll put it in line for you somehow.
You know, don't...
Don't...
So these conspiracy theories delay grief and they exacerbate your own trauma.
It's just better to just deal with the shit from a reality-based perspective.
And I'm not saying the government doesn't lie.
I'm not saying false flags are not a real thing.
Just don't be an asshole.
Don't be an idiot.
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, is that, yes, it is possible that people are doing stuff.
There is the ability for conspiracies to happen.
That's not deniable.
But the idea that everything's a conspiracy or that I need to accept the validity of someone making claims about a conspiracy, that's not...
If you've got evidence for a conspiracy, bring it forward.
Let us discuss.
Let us judge.
But don't tell me, oh yeah, this was absolutely a conspiracy because blah blah blah and blah blah blah.
No, that's not the truth.
That's not how reality works.
Calm down.
Shut up.
So, yeah.
That's this week's episode.
Thank you all for listening.
If you want to support the show, give us a five-star rating on Patreon and all that other good stuff.
Go hit up my GoFundMe.
Give me money because I'm still trying to get out of the hole of this bullshit with the fucking car and all that crap.
Not a lot of fun.
Anyhow.
If you don't want to do any of that, go to love146.org and donate to the end of human trafficking because the human trafficking is bad and they want to stop it.
Unlike QAnon, who just wants to lie and say they care about the kids when they don't.
Thank you to DJ Minimal Effort and Frosty for our music and our bumps and the music I accidentally remixed.
So yes, good on all that.
Thanks to all our listeners for listening.
And we actually had a new beautiful baby this week.
The first one in like several hundred years.
And I just remembered that right as I said this.
So I'm running the Proton Mail right now to grab your name, our newest sponsor of the show, so I can shout you out.
What'd you say?
I said shout out to the new baby.
Yes, shout out to the new baby.
And where are you?
Where are you, new baby?
Come on, Patreon.
Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
Larry!
Larry!
Thank you for being a $2 member on the pod.
We appreciate you.
Thank you.
Larry!
Thank you, Larry.
I fulfilled my duty to shout you out.
Success.
I am a good podcast host.
And now the show is over.
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