Adventures in HellwQrld Presents: The JFK Files and Rep Luna's Lunacy
In this episode Haley and Mike go over the JFK Files reveals and how all sorts of right wing grifters are blaming Israel for everything. Then we deal with Rep Luna's claims of a secret video and show how it's not secret and she's lying and this is going to be a huge train wreck that will not exonerate Oswald. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Bye. you you Adventures in Hellworld presents Who Shot JFK?
Who Shot JFK?
Yeah, I showed it as soon as it goes.
It was Lee Harvey Oswald.
Who Shot JFK She was following the verbal cues.
She was following the audio.
It was great.
The height of professionalism.
If only this was live-streamed so you could all bask in it.
I love wearing this shirt because people have funny reactions to it.
You can tell some people don't like it when I wear this.
I don't want to get into it with people, but some people are probably offended.
Some people are probably wondering what my opinion of Oswald is, but yeah.
That's the thing.
I made a post about this, but a while ago I had...
Stephanie had edited a bunch of this, but a while ago I was working on a book that was like half Kennedy assassination, half QAnon, and I was trying to tie the two together, which there's a ton of ties, but recently I've just been like, you know what? I'm just going to do a straight Kennedy book because I just can't.
There's no reason to tie QAnon into this crap.
If you're going to do a QAnon book, you can bring up the Kennedy stuff in the back end.
You don't have to start it with it.
So the title of the book is going to be Oswald Acted Alone.
And I literally want to print t-shirts that just say that.
Just say, Oswald Acted Alone.
Just wear them.
And just see people's reactions to that.
Just being like, oh, you're wrong.
You're the CIA.
It's just...
We need to reclaim reality and The Kennedy assassination is the biggest divorce from reality America has because we all just live in this world where we have to accept that over half of the American people think that there was a plot to kill the president.
And it's really frustrating that that's the world we live in.
And it's been that way since he got shot.
Like the American people have never bought this shit and sorry, American people, but the evidence is overwhelming and it proves that Oswald did it.
And I, I. I hate to have to sit you down and play to my bosom as you cry your little tears about how JFK was totally going to get us out of Vietnam and all that other shit.
But yeah.
He was actually super against the CIA and Israel and all the big bads according to conspiracy theorists and not the president who actually was pretty pro-Israel.
Like Bobby was murdered by a Palestinian because he was too pro-Israel.
I mean, again, they'll be like, no, Sirhan Sirhan didn't do it.
It's like Sirhan's documents were just like, fuck this guy.
RFK is way too pro-Israel.
I'm going to drop this prick.
So, I mean, this whole thing, and I'm going to have Haley kind of lead on this section of it because she was one who listened to the Candace Owens, the Jews did it section of the JFK files thing.
But. This whole idea is about the fact that anyone can have a motive to kill a president.
Presidents do shit that pisses people off.
It's really hard to be president and not make enemies.
I mean, look at Trump.
People that took pops at him were actually pretty pro-Trump at points in time.
Yeah, the kid who tried to pop him.
His parents were pro-Trump.
He literally just did a Google search.
Is Biden or Trump going to be in my area?
And Trump came up.
And then he did another Google search.
How far away was Oswald?
And then he was like, I can do this.
He ran off to the fucking convention or whatever it was and climbed on a roof and got himself killed.
I mean, and boy howdy.
We already had enough conspiracy theories about that guy winging Trump.
If he had actually hit and killed Trump, that shit would have never ended.
The world would have ended, but that shit wouldn't have ended.
We would still be dealing with the protests today.
The Trump riots.
Yes, the Trump wars.
We would be in the middle of them, even now.
Even now, I would be fucking on the outskirts of Boston trying to reclaim my beloved bean town from the MAGA insurgents that had conquered it.
I mean, it's really insane.
But I'm going to give a quick synopsis.
If you've heard this before, feel free to take a nap.
It's okay.
You can come right back in a few minutes.
But the Israelis had a nuclear plant.
They were very obviously going to try to build nukes there because they were a fledgling nation surrounded by enemies and they knew nuclear weapons could protect them.
And Kennedy was like, yo, Israel, I want to inspect your nuclear plant because I think you want to use it for nuclear weapons and not for nuclear energy.
And the Israelis were like, no, we don't know what you're talking about.
We totally just need it for energy.
Winky naughty.
And then Kennedy gets killed and Lyndon Johnson is told, oh yeah, by the way, Lyndon, JFK really didn't want the Israelis to have nukes.
And if you could Like, keep up on that, that'd be great.
And Lyndon Johnson was like, I'm trying to pass civil rights legislation and also I'm being dragged into Vietnam.
And also I have an election to win.
So no, I don't care about some backwater in the Middle East where some guys are trying to build a nuclear bomb.
So the Israelis basically get away with it because Lyndon Johnson just doesn't care about it as much as Kennedy did.
For the conspiracy world, that's just proof positive.
That's why Israel whacked him.
Which, not so much.
That's really, it's really thin.
Also what I was reading is that like, you know, for the people who claim like, oh, Kennedy was super anti-Israel.
He was very, that's why they, that's why they took him out.
Like, I guess he sold Israel their first major like American The first American weapon system was sold to Israel under Kennedy, the Hawk anti-aircraft battery.
And it would eventually become the Iron Dome.
So it's just very funny that people...
It's just funny that people think...
I don't know how right-wingers are projecting so much.
They think he was like...
Bucking the government as if he was not the president.
Yeah, that's the whole QAnon mythos where Trump is not the establishment.
And it's like, no, he's the fucking president.
There's no more establishment than the president.
And this is the mythology around Kennedy is that he gets in the office.
He's surrounded by a den of vipers.
He fights them off as best as he can because he's the super noble ultimate good guy.
He finally gets his feet under him, realizes what he needs to do to save the world from the bad people, and then gets killed.
And then the bad people win.
And that's basically the mythos around JFK that these people have created.
That he was going to do super awesome good stuff, but got whacked before he could.
And this has always made me wonder, it's just like...
Kennedy's regard for his own personal safety was incredibly low his entire presidency.
That dude was just running into crowds.
If stage diving was a thing in the 1960s, Kennedy would have stage dove.
He absolutely would have just jumped off of like...
At the DNC, after his acceptance speech, he would have just jumped into the crowd, let the delegates crowd serve him.
Dude didn't give a fuck.
He was there to shake hands and kiss babies like you read about.
Like literally at Love Field, like minutes before he's killed, he's working a chain link fence, shaking everybody's hands.
And the reporter monitoring it says, ah, this happens all the time.
The president just ditches the secret service detail and starts meeting the people.
Ah, that wacky president just doing the thing.
You know how he is.
And if Kennedy was actually in this, like, Battle of life or death against this cabal of Illuminati devil worshiping blood drinkers.
Maybe, maybe a little bit a little bit more like cognizant of his own well-being and how like I totally need to stay alive in order to defeat Satan's forces.
But that's not at all how Kennedy carried himself.
That dude was like, yeah, if I get whacked, I get whacked.
Shit happens.
I mean, the way the one use because it's like the video of him of him of him getting his head popped off is just been playing constantly on the timeline and on the news and like it is when you look at it just like you would never see a president or someone like Elon Musk driving down the street in this open of a We're
Like, that's the thing is that I've made this point a million times.
And again, I apologize, listeners.
But if somebody wanted to Franz Ferdinand, him and Jackie, they could have.
There was no way to stop that.
Because one of the big things that conspiracy theorists and people who just follow the Kennedy assassination know is that.
The turn from Houston onto Elm was like a sharp 90 degree turn.
The limo almost has to come to like a full stop as the limo driver's trying to wheel the limo around to get it ready to go down the road.
And on top of that, the guy driving the limo is under specific orders that because Kennedy's back is all fucked up.
It's like, He's under a specific order.
Don't jostle the president while you're doing this shit.
So no herky jerky shit.
We need this giant meandering turn to get from Houston to Elm.
We need it to be smooth because we don't want you to jerk the car and now suddenly the president's doubled over in the back of the limo because his back just spasmed and it looks really bad.
You've got this limo driver working his ass off to complete this horribly slow turn, and if some asshole just steps off the curb, wham, wham, Kennedy's dead, and nothing gonna stop that.
There's no force on earth that could have prevented someone from going up to midpoint blank rage and whacking him.
And yeah, I mean, nowadays we got Trump and the Beast doing the TOTA 500 and the Beast could get hit with an anti-tank missile and Trump would survive.
I mean, the difference in presidential security between then and now is insane.
It's night and day.
Yeah, like honestly can't think of like Trump ever.
It's like people, you know, it's like him doing the McDonald's thing.
That was a like an incredibly isolated like PR event where everybody was like Pre-checked, like it wasn't like random people could have gone up to him and just like put a gun in his face.
All the events he goes to, he's like, it's all very protected.
He's never just like going out to the people and saying, hey, it's like his rallies that are like, I've been to plenty of those.
They made me throw away my apple, you know, like you can't get shit in there.
So yeah, it's just a totally different scenario.
I will have to find this for you, but it's one of the funniest things.
Obama decides to do a walk of the Washington Mall, basically.
He decides to just wander around, and he Is walking around and at one point like this, like teenagers like, Oh shit, Obama, like comes like running towards him.
And I can just imagine how many snipers were like trained on that kid when like, like idiot running towards the president alert, alert, like be ready to murder.
I'm like, I'm sure that kid has to be thinking about like how.
Like he was literally one word away from getting his head popped, but.
The one thing that always made me laugh is this woman has two very young children, and she gets to do the whole meet-and-greet with Obama, and they're talking, and Obama is, like, fetching, like, specially branded M&Ms that his staff have to give to the kids.
In the background, you can see this female Secret Service agent just like doing the whole thing.
She's got her hands on her lapels because all Secret Service agents have their hands high to be ready to act.
And one of the little girls that is near Obama has a miniature flag in her hands and she just like snaps her wrist and the flag just like moves forward.
And you see the Secret Service lady's head just like snap.
She's like looking off in the distance.
She sees the little girl do that.
She just whips her head to look to make sure that little girl didn't take a shot at Obama or something.
And I'm just like, man, those people, they are on a hair trigger when they get that assignment that like, yeah, Obama wants to walk out in public, like make sure he doesn't die.
It's just like, five year old child moves their wrist a little too fast.
The Secret Service agent is like, fuck on it.
Meanwhile, Kennedy's getting riddled with shots and shells and the Secret Service agents are just like, what's going on?
Oh no!
Get her off that trunk.
That's weird.
Why is that bitch in the trunk?
Get her down.
Oh, oh no.
Oh, fiddlesticks.
Oh no.
I'm getting fired.
Yeah, I'm getting fired for this for sure.
Oh no.
Oh, dogs.
It's just really, it's truly, yeah.
Like, and the other thing was, is like, back then, like, Kennedy had some say over, like, his level of protection.
Like, there was talk about, like, the Secret Service agents would say that Kennedy had declared that he wanted to see and be seen by the public, and he didn't want, like, Too many people like cramping his style.
And one thing that conspiracy theorists love to point out is that if you watch the video of him, you may watch the video leaving Love Field and heading to start the motorcade.
There's a couple of Secret Service agents that are like running along the back of the limo and They get given the command by their boss to, like, get the fuck away from the limo and get on the follow-up limo.
And, like, one of the agents, like, starts, like, aggressively, like, bringing his hands up, like, oh, what the fuck?
What do you mean we're not fucking following the limo?
Oh, this is bullshit!
And people are just like this, this poor man knew what was happening.
And he tried to stop it.
It's like, no, but he was just mad that he fucking was being told to get on the fucking back limo and on the backup limo.
And this was Kennedy's edict, basically.
I mean, it's kind of like easy to blame the dead guy and all, but everyone basically said that, yeah, that was what Kennedy wanted.
I mean, he was just kind of like, you know, uh, stay out of my shot, fucking asshole.
I mean, he was like a Hollywood star.
I mean, he just wanted fucking to make sure that the public had their eyes on him and everything was good.
And so it wasn't until it was very not good until it got really bad.
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Danske tekster af Jesper Buhl Scandinavian Text Service 2018 So can I talk about Candace?
Yes, let's get, let's break into Candace.
I just, you know, I did see like on Twitter quite a few like immediate within like less than a few hours of it being released being like, oh, it's proof the Jews did it.
Cause I keyword searched the word Zionist.
Um, you know, that was like a thing on Twitter, like that, uh, Ian Carroll guy, Stu Peters, obviously were very like the Jews did it.
Candace also.
Yeah, Candice has been doing like, she's kind of been like her, her, her account's been kind of blowing up a bit lately.
I don't know if you heard, but the Daily Wire seems like it's going under.
Yes, I've seen a lot of anti-Daily Wire people very happy about what's going on.
There's a lot of people, a lot of people getting pretty amped up about uh their boys in the daily about ben shapiro and his boys getting uh getting crushed yeah because uh you know it's like daily wire is going under and candace owens kind of having like a moment on the right again even though she's kind of blacklisted from some parts of the far right because of her anti-semitic anti
-israel commentary uh she liked package she tried she liked packages That she's like anti-Israel but it's to preach just like the most vicious blood libelous anti-Semitism you've ever heard.
I mean it's really it's really hard to be like look I'm just anti-Israel when you are on the record saying Hitler was okay until he started invading other nations.
Yeah because she does try to do this like I'm not talking about Jewish people I'm I'm talking about Israel because some of the Some of the Nazi fucking anti-Semitic right is like trying to half kind of tone down some of their rhetoric so they can appeal to like the people who are angry about the genocide and it's like she's so not good at it because she's like I'm definitely not talking about all Jews anyway it's
every Jew likes to you know drink the blood of children you know And that's kind of she that's what she did with this shit like the opening to this episode was fucking wild she um is like all right everybody I promised you a deep dive on the JFK files um you know and she's like it seems like the conspiracy theorists were right again and then it does like her opening which is just like photos of her pregnant and photos of her getting married it's very like fluffy and
um Then she immediately opens up and she's like, all right, everybody the JFK files have been cracked open and what does that mean?
And she's like, well, that means that if you're a Jew in America, it's high time that you guys realize that you're under no obligation to keep defending the state of Israel and like their responsibility for killing Kennedy.
So she's like immediately just like, all right Jews, you literally are doing dual loyalty if you Don't believe that Israel is responsible for the JFK assassination.
And she says, she's like, I should make everybody right now do the Pledge Allegiance, like old fashioned style, so you can prove to me that you're loyal to America and not Israel.
That's literally how she opened.
Like, she just opens with you.
You fucking Jews need to need to fucking Get with the program and admit that your state murdered our beloved president.
Yeah, like, just wild.
And her whole thing was basically just like, yeah, she claims that Kennedy was super anti-Zionist, not playing ball with the state of Israel during his presidency, which he totally fucking was.
And it's just inhistorical.
She also says that Kennedy was incredibly anti-CIA.
I don't know.
That was part of her spiel.
I didn't source any of this.
I assumed you would know this one.
She said that there was an article in AMI magazine She didn't explain what AMI magazine was, but she did say it is an incredibly Jewish magazine.
And she says that they summarized that the Dulles family was getting blackmailed by Israel.
Have you heard of that?
Oh, nope.
I've never heard of it.
I mean, Alan Dulles has always been We're good to
go. Adding Alan Dulles to Israel is, that's a new twist.
That's a new twist to the story that I've never heard.
So, good on them for having all roads lead back to Mossad because that's the way these people operate.
Yeah, I think she was also including the Rockefellers in this blackmail plot and Nazi money laundering and I don't know.
There was a whole story here about Uh, the Dulles family, as she put it, being subjugated to Israel because of this blackmail.
Yeah, that's, uh, I mean, just, uh, holy smokes.
I just, I don't even, I don't even, I can't even wrap my head around that.
But again, that's how these people work.
I mean, that's how these people work.
Everything leads back to their villain.
And it doesn't matter how incoherent that might be.
It's just going to be that way.
And, uh, for, I mean, in, in the night, in the 1990s, it was JFK and all that stuff.
It was, and Rob Reiner.
I mean, our boy, Rob, when he was talking this shit, it was all quote unquote, rogue elements of the CIA.
And all that kind of stuff.
But then once we got into modern times, now the Jews did it.
Now it's all Massad all the time.
And that's going to be the operating principle for this crap.
It's funny because it's like it didn't, you know, it's like there were, as everybody with a brain and like normal wrote, like there's no huge bombshells as far as like who killed JFK.
but there was like some interesting revelations about how the CIA was operating at the time but not against JFK against like other nations and other leaders it's just like right like the CIA was just like doing their fucking CIA shit and this is Part of the Kennedy mythos is that Kennedy was going to reign these people in, that he was going to bring the CIA to heel.
The quote about him smashing the CIA to a thousand pieces and scattering them to the four winds.
All that stuff is out there, but it's not based in anything because the shadow of the CIA to a thousand pieces quote was Uh, attributed anonymously to a source that a New York Times reporter used in a story three years after Kennedy's death.
So Kennedy wasn't available for comment about that.
And anything that Kennedy said negatively about the CIA was almost assuredly right after the Bay of Pigs when Kennedy probably felt like he'd been fucked over by the CIA.
Because basically Eisenhower dumped this crazy operation in Kennedy's lap and is like, by the way, we're invading Cuba and we're going to topple Castro.
Here you go.
I'm, I'm, I'm out of here.
See you later.
President Ike signing off.
And the CIA is like, yo, Eisenhower has been planning this shit for a long fucking time.
You better fucking do this shit.
And Kennedy's ass isn't even in the chair as president.
And he's like, well, if it's good enough for Ike, it's good enough for me.
And then the CIA does it and it fucking blows up in everybody's faces.
And then Kennedy's like, well, fuck you guys, you pieces of shit.
You fucking set me up for this crap.
So yeah, of course Kennedy and the CIA were going to have me like, not like all kumbaya in that moment, but smash cut to three weeks before Kennedy's death.
He's a military, and I would assume the CIA and everybody are like, yo, Kennedy, the brothers that are running South Vietnam, they kind of fucking suck.
We're losing the war.
Can we depose them in a coup, which will almost assuredly result in their deaths?
And Kennedy was like, yeah, sure, fuck them.
What do I care?
So, like, the whole idea that Kennedy was, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not be toppling governments, whoa, whoa, whoa, you CIA guys are getting a little out of line.
No? Kennedy, Kennedy ordered the, I can't remember their names, but he ordered those brothers that were running South Vietnam, he ordered, he told them to get, he told the CIA to whack them.
I mean, after the fact, when they reported to Kennedy that they did in fact die, Kennedy was like, Oh no!
And it's like, Jack, you fucking, you really thought they were going to live?
You really thought we were going to depose them in a coup and they were going to survive it?
Calm down, buddy.
Calm down.
Yeah, one of the articles that I read outlined a few of the things that were actually revealed as far as some CIA memos and it's all just like the operation to destabilize the Cuban government was more expansive than previously known.
There was more agents overseas than previously known.
It said that they had placed 1,500 agents overseas in this memo.
And yeah, just stuff like how they wanted to get rid of Castro and how they wanted to get rid of President Rafael Trujillo, who was the lead of the Dominican Republic at the time.
So just like things that we already kind of knew was happening and already had information on.
It just was like more revelations about that, which is interesting.
It, you know, it's not so much about, it's like a, it's like, it just paints a clearer picture of American history.
Right. Yeah, it was nothing.
Trump himself said there was nothing earth-shattering in the JFK files, which, boy, I mean, my god, if you're a QAnon supporter or a right-wing conspiracy nut, to have the God Emperor, to have your anointed warrior get in front of the press and be like, ah, probably no great shakes in there.
You know what?
You know, them's the breaks.
Get them next time.
I mean, oh man, I would have just been beyond hurt that my boss, my king, told me, oh yeah, by the way, there's no there there.
Don't worry about it.
Oswald still did it.
Calm down.
So that was really, really ridiculous.
Any other great stuff from Candace, or was it just all Mossad all the time?
It's all Mossad all the time.
This is all she does now is like, You get one episode about how Jewish people are responsible for every American tragedy in existence and pulling the strings and all this horrible stuff.
And then her next episode will be like, so anyway, more updates on Blake Lively and Jason Baloney or whatever his fucking name is.
And then it's like back to Blood Libel episode.
And then she's like, OK, And now we're doing Amber Heard trial stuff.
She does like pop culture like slop.
Like misogynistic pop culture slop in between like anti-semitic blood libelous slop.
And it's like her platform or like her follower counts have just been growing and growing and growing.
And like now with the closure of Daily Wire it's just like I feel like she kind of out blew Daily Wire.
Um, in terms of, like, analytics, which is, I feel like, is a bit concerning.
Um, so yeah, it sucks.
It sucks that Candace is, like, semi-popular now.
I mean, a lot of these, uh, accounts that were saying, like, you know, Jewish people did it, uh, like, have huge followings now.
Like, that Ian Carroll, which you talked about, I didn't, I wasn't there for that episode, but that guy is, he, he's anti-Semitic.
I, like, he's a, he's, All of his stuff is like, long format, how the Jews did it.
He tries to make himself sound smarter, he tries to make himself sound like he's not saying that, but that's the angle that you're supposed to lead to.
Yeah. Oh yeah, Ian Carroll, me and Eric did the episode where he was on Rogan doing the whole just asking questions about Pizzagate bullshit.
So yeah, that was exciting.
Yeah, Ian's currently claiming that he's going to lead a commando team to rescue RFK Jr. and save him from his blackmailers, which I've seen a bunch of other QAnon people are like, Ian, Ian, what the fuck are you doing?
Like, stand down.
What the fuck?
I actually saw someone go so far as to say, Ian, this is like your shit with black insurrectionists.
You're doing it again, Ian.
We can see through it.
You're fucking lying to us.
So yeah, Ian's making friends and influencing people.
It's great.
It's going real good for him.
As the kids would say, I love this for him.
Yeah. I'm not the biggest fan of the Atlantic, but there was an article on the Atlantic that just talked about how many people were immediately like, the Jews did it.
And I think that the way it ended was pretty poignant, and I'm going to read it.
It says, A discourse dominated by conspiracy theories is one that will always be inevitably dominated by anti-Semitism.
Once a person becomes convinced that an invisible hand is responsible for all the world'sills, they are just a few Google searches away from centuries of propaganda informing them that the hand belongs to an invisible Jew.
The Kennedy assassination is perhaps the most salient subject for such theories in American culture, and this combined with an online ecosystem optimization,
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interesting. I do think that, like, the far right It has become almost nauseatingly just like the Jews did it.
So yeah.
Yeah, actually, one of our boys, Jacob, the Ukrainian Biolabs guy, actually had a post today where he was like, you people blaming the Jews for everything!
What is going on, man?
And it was like, buddy, buddy, these are your people.
You've made this bed, buddy.
Now you gotta lie in it.
Like, you don't get to go, oh my goodness, all this anti-Semitism, where did it come from?
It's like, no, it's always been there.
Calm down.
You're part of QAnon.
Quote-unquote, we're saving Israel for last.
So, relax.
Yeah, I think that's kind of the Daily Wire's, like, ish, like, I mean, they propped up Candace Owens for fucking years while she spewed out the most anti-black, like, racist, like, Islamophobic, And antisemitic shit!
It's just like, at a certain point, she started to get too critical of Israel and the genocide, but like, well, but not really.
Like, she wasn't really criticizing the genocide.
She was wrapping up a criticism of Israel to promote her antisemitic propaganda.
And Ben Shapiro, who is very openly, was like, we're getting rid of her because of the Anti-israel commentary when it's like dude.
She's been anti-semitic She's been anti-semitic.
She's been a horrible person Like you guys are the ones that propped her up and now they're going bankrupt.
So I just I mean it always it always just gets to me with these people and again, it's not like it's not like Candace is In any better spot, but it always just blows my mind when these Jewish people get into bed with these neo-nazis and I'm just like I just think What do you think the end result of this is all going to be?
If your team actually wins unchecked power, how do you think this is going to play out for you?
I always think of that video of Laura Loomer and Nick Fuentes clinking glasses and saying, they're taking over the Republican Party.
And I'm just thinking, Laura, what do you think the payoff is going to be if you and Nick win?
How long before Nick decides to exile or execute you?
How do you think this ends well for you?
I don't understand how you could possibly partner with someone whose end goal objective is to murder you.
That seems like a bad partnership.
I would not want to be a part of that.
I know, especially with Fuentes, who's so openly like, I would love for Hitler to come back so he could kill all the Jews and black people.
Like, he's so open about it.
It's interesting though to watch like the far right get even even more far right that they're kind of like out they've out Fuentes Fuentes in a way like um you know you'll see a lot of white supremacists now being like kind of shut up like Mexican at him like you yeah yeah yeah I don't know it's just like yeah I don't it's not a good idea to get involved with the Neo-Nazi white supremacist scene because they will
always come for you.
But anyway, I want to know about the picture because I saw the picture going around.
The picture that supposedly shows Oswald but it's old news.
That's an old photo, right?
Yes, okay.
So what happened after the JFK files like died a death was Representative Luna came out and stated some nonsense about an NBC News video Showing Oswald quote-unquote near a car and that this was revelatory and that she is now like subpoenaing
NBC to produce this video that will exonerate Oswald and so a lot of people in my comments have talked about how There's no goddamn way there's a video because like a video like this out being outside and recording news like that is not something that was done in the 1930s 1960s and So that's crazy Like,
cameras took time to set up.
You had to do work in order to videotape stuff.
Like, again, Kennedy at Love Field, those cameras were set up waiting for Air Force One to arrive, to start filming, and all that good stuff.
You just didn't have people on the motorcade route setting up cameras for what was going to be a fleeting moment of seeing the president roll on by.
That's the thing about the Zapruder film, is that It was supposed to be absolutely nothing, and then it turned out to be the most important video ever, so...
Also, when we went to the museum, which, listeners, you can listen to that, the Sixth Floor Museum, a lot of the cameras that caught photos, they had that time-lapse wall where it showed people who grabbed photos in those moments, and a lot of them were just random people.
Right. If there's a random person with their film camera, there was no NBC News mega camera in that display.
That did not exist.
It didn't happen.
So what people have been speculating off of, and I've seen both a person following my timeline and a QAnon promoter both suggesting this, was that the photo in question Or the image in question is from a guy named Ike Algins who took a series of photos before, during, and after the assassination.
And Algins 6 is a photo.
It's taken from in front of the limo and you can see Kennedy's Arm is up.
He's like reaching towards his neck, having been struck.
And you can actually see the Secret Service agents turning and looking towards the book depository.
This photo has a man in the doorway of the Texas School Book Depository and the people who have worked it, like put a little circle around that man in the idea that it is Oswald.
But the man in question on that, in the photo is actually Billy Lovelady, who is, this is, this was known.
I mean, this is the thing that happened and people were like, Oh shit, is that Oswald?
Billy Lovelady came out and said no, it's me I was on the first floor and people have done compare and contrasts with because again, this is a 1960s black-and-white photo.
This guy is way in the background but there's not a ton of pixels to work with but people have done the compare and contrasts of Lovelady to Oswald to the guy in the photo and it's pretty obviously Lovelady and The other part about this is that if this was true,
and it was Oswald, that would mean that Oswald was watching the president get shot, saw that happen, ran into the Texas School Book Depository, went up to the second floor, went to the Coke machine, either bought a Coke or was buying a Coke when Officer Baker ran into him, then Oswald, after that encounter, immediately flees the Texas School Book Depository after that.
Which is incredibly strange.
And nobody saw Oswald doing any of these things.
No one saw him run into the second floor and then run back down and escape.
When, again, Oswald's alibi the whole time was, I was eating lunch on the second floor.
Which, again, fits with him being at the Coke machine when Officer Baker confronts him.
Because Oswald's trying to make his story make sense.
You know what you should tell people?
What should I tell people?
When they claim that this is Oswald.
That they're doing anti-white racism.
Are you saying all white people look alike?
Yeah. It's very funny.
The guy who did the Inside the Book Depository video that's very good, he actually is like, he's like, He's like, I don't really see Lovelady and Oswald looking a lot alike.
I'm just telling you what I feel.
That was that guy's like take on the whole thing.
He's like, I don't think Lovelady and Oswald look much alike at all.
I don't think they do either, because I think Oswald's kind of nice with it.
And this guy is not.
No, exactly.
Lovelady has a much more prominent nose, it looks like to me.
And also he has his hairlines receding a lot worse than Oswald's.
A lot worse.
Yes. So this all happens.
So this all happens, and then our boy Roger Stone...
Oh, he's back?
Yeah, Roger Stone.
He's back, trying to get a little attention on himself, a little shine.
Because that is what you do when you have a guy that's got a book out that says that LBJ did it.
LBJ whacked the president.
Basically, oh my god, this is...
So I ran into a guy...
Go ahead, Hayley.
I said I didn't know he wrote this.
I didn't know he wrote a book about the JFK assassination.
Oh yeah, he wrote a book called...
So the BBC did the series, The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
So Roger Stone wrote a book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, to like slide in on them.
Uh, his, um, argument was that LBJ did it basically.
And so Roger Stone, uh, declared that, um, like Wegman and Durhall, uh, had a video that of the assassination that they've like withheld.
Which was very interesting to me that like, that Roger actually.
Named names which these conspiracy theorists never do they always try to like they don't want you They don't even know what you're talking about.
They don't want to like make you they don't give you information You can actually look up but Roger actually went there Roger was like, hey, I got some information from these people and What was really interesting is that he spelled Wegman wrong and There's an eye in there that he didn't add.
And I thought that was really kind of hilarious.
But it made me actually look into it.
And what this is, is a video of a guy.
This one guy, Wegman, had a video of the motorcade route.
And This video is directly after the assassination.
It's like about like I mean probably like 15-20 seconds after the assassination.
He's like in a backup car.
And that's a lot of the things that people say or things a lot of people see is like the media rushing towards this event.
People that were on the motorcade, that were in the cars, that had the ability to broadcast stuff.
Like this guy comes running down the street with this camera, and when he is videotaping, he catches the stairs of the Texas School Book Depository.
The Texas School Book Depository, he sees the stairs.
And on those stairs, there's a guy with even less pixels than Lovelady.
And Lovelady's not where he was in the Aldrin's photo, but there's a guy in the stairwell.
And you can't really see who it is, because it's again, super blurry.
There's no pixels to this dude.
But this blurry dude, and I'm going to DM you the photo of him now on X, the everything app.
But this super blurry dude, this person who I ran into is a fanatic about blurry guy.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, Haley is laughing as she should, because you literally cannot make anything out about this person.
This person has a dark shirt, and arms, and a head.
And that's...
Two pixels.
Yeah, this is, yeah, this is...
If you're of my age, this is like looking at, this isn't watching Scrambled Playboy as a teenager trying to see a titty.
I mean, there's nothing there.
There is...
Nothing to this.
And the one thing I will say about this unbelievably blurry low pixel photo is that this dude does not look like Oswalt to me at all.
The hairline is receded very much from what I can see.
Like, if you were like, if you asked me, like, Mike, do you think this is Oswalt?
I would immediately say no.
This doesn't look like Oswalt to me.
But again, you have nothing to go with, because The entire face is washed out.
It's like his face is like a mannequin's face at a mall at a store.
It's smooth.
There's nothing.
Yes, totally blank.
The face is totally blank.
It's completely smooth.
The only thing you have is like there's dark hair and the dark hair is there's not a lot of it is basically the best I can say.
But this person is known in the conspiracy world as Prayer Man.
Because apparently in one of these videos, his hands appear to be in a praying motion or praying setup.
So, this guy on Twitter who I encountered is like, you know, Oswald's a prayer man and you need to fuck off.
I looked up prayer man to try to find stuff.
And this guy is like arguing with Keith Olbermann.
He's arguing with me.
If you get within 10 miles of this fucking conversation, prayer man is going to this dude's coming running for you.
And he's got a he's got Winnie the Pooh in a tuxedo avatar and he is he is in it to win it.
And way too many people I follow are following this guy.
So you all need to know that you're following a nut.
Mike. I just sent you a long post by Gerald Posner, who is like a JFK, Oswald.
Yeah, Posner's an Oswald did it guy.
And he seems to have, he's made a post about the video, the NBC video that Rep Luna, Ana Paulina Luna, has claimed as new evidence.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Yep. And it's, it's the video that we saw at the six floor museum.
Like it's not even new, right?
This is not new.
That's the, that's the thing is that Roger Stone by, by naming names, Roger Stone, fuck this because he let people look it up and the Wegman photo video is known.
And as Posner's like literally showing it and we saw it at the six floor museum.
And I then looked up the other name that Roger Stone used.
And the other guy's videos are the same.
It's publicly known videos.
These are not things that NBC suppressed to hide the truth that Oswald didn't kill Kennedy.
I guess they're just hoping that you just know nothing and just accept what they say at face value and you're just like, okay, I'm not going to look further into that.
I really have to just mention though real quick how fucking funny this- I'm looking at it again.
The photo of the guy.
It's like the- like you know when you generate a crowd with AI photo and the very back is like the faces are just like nothing.
It's just like- it's like a- just a blur of a face.
It looks like that in old black and white.
It's like The crowd equivalent of when someone shows you a photo saying that it's a UFO, definitely, and you look at it, it's like a smudge in the sky.
This is a smudge.
What's so funny is that literally, again, the guy that did the video for the Inside the Book Depository, he literally used the term smudge to describe this guy.
Oh, really?
Yep, he literally said smudge, which made me laugh so much when you said that.
But anyways, my psychotic Prayer Man guy that I argued with about Prayer Man.
I just checked the followers you know for Prayer Man.
Guess who's a follower I know for this guy?
Oh God, is it me?
Nope. Okay.
It's our girl.
Our girl's following him.
Soledad? Yep, Soledad's following this guy.
Oh my God!
Soledad's fucking following Prayer Man.
Oh my god.
So fucking funny.
On the JFK stuff?
Yeah. Every now and then I just yell at her.
Every now and then.
If she's in my feed and she's got a post up that has no replies, I immediately just jump on it and I'm like, do you still think Chuckie the typewriter killed the president?
I'm just like, ugh, God.
Yeah, Soledad is a follower of this guy.
And this is the thing, is like, so I'm arguing with this guy, and I mean, this is the problem.
Like, this guy knows prayer man mythology.
So you're just like, strap in, buddy, because you're in for a ride.
And he got into the fact that the supervisor of the Texas School Book Depository is a racist and all this other stuff.
And I'm like, oh man, wow, really?
A white man in Texas in the 1960s was racist?
Holy shit!
Knocked me over with a feather.
But yeah, so he then sent me a link, and he was like, this will explain everything.
And I clicked the link, and then at the top of the page I saw it said page 1 of 137.
And on our JFK series, which you should all listen to, We had joked about this fact, and the fact is that there is nothing in the Kennedy assassination so minor that they will not make a book about it.
And so there is a Prayer Man book out.
You can buy...
there's two of them, I believe.
But yeah, Prayer Man.
And the name of this book is so incredible!
Prayer Man, Out of the Shadows and Into the Light.
Literally, oh my god, Liz Crokan.
Yo, Stan Dane, Liz Crokan stole your shit.
You need to sue the fuck out of her.
And the best part about it is that The cover of the book is, again, the same terrible photo, the same super blurry dude, only they have him circled and highlighted.
And then it says, the exoneration of Lee Harvey Oswald.
And I just sent, I just sent Haley the photo.
It's like, imagine, imagine like circling this blurry dude and being like, boom, nailed it, drops the mic.
BAM! Prayer Man!
How do you like them apples?
Totally Oswald!
And I have no idea how big this book is, but Jesus Christ!
Like, it just goes to show you, like, people will write a book about literally the most tangential thing involving the Kennedy assassination.
Also, it's like, I feel like it's harder to see in the way that they highlighted it.
It's like, it makes them even...
Just the way that it's like...
Highlighting him makes him fade into the background even harder.
I can't see more!
Like the way the original Prayer Man person did it with the arrow pointing at him, it's easier to see him because there's darkness behind him and the shadows of the overhang of the Texas School Book Depository make it easier for him to stand out.
When you actually like put light on him, he washes.
He washes into the background.
It's 366 pages long.
Oh, thank God.
Yeah. How could it not be?
How could it fucking be?
So yeah.
Uh, yeah.
So, so yeah, so this is, I mean, whatever Luna publishes, whatever she posts, now she's got basically three options.
She can do the love lady photo, which everyone knows she can do prayer man, which is absolute fucking way in the weeds insanity that like, Holy fuck.
I mean, my boy Carlos, the lunatic who Solid Ad follows, he'll be happy about it, but everybody else is gonna be like, what, really?
The smudge?
The smudge exonerates Oswald?
Really? And then her third option is to do the frazzledrip and just say, yeah, NBC won't give us the video.
At which point, like, at which point, like, people like Posner and myself and all the other people who've looked into this will be like, no!
You met the love lady or those, the prayer man things.
And once you found out those were fucking painfully insufficient to like make your crackpot theory hold up, you abandoned them and just said, Oh, we don't have it.
Wish we could get it.
Fucking NBC hiding the truth from us.
So yeah, it's like, I mean, it's lose, lose, lose, whatever she picks.
But for me, for the sake of comedy, I hope it's prayer man.
Cause my God.
God, would that be ridiculous?
We would literally have QAnon immediately snap to acknowledging this guy.
They'd all be looking at this dumb smudge.
This dumb smudge would haunt America for a generation.
I honestly was scrolling the Amazon reviews to try to read one to see if there was one that I could quickly read that's just like a kooky person.
But every review for this is like, five stars, here's my fucking novel.
Like, it's so big.
All the reviews are so long that are giving it five stars.
The only ones that I'm seeing so far that are short is just five stars, Christmas gift, five stars, good book.
All the other ones are like, a fucking- they had to hit character limit on these.
Um, there's- there's one stars though, don't worry folks.
They also are similarly posting quite long, though.
Yeah, Barry Ryder has a one-star review entitled, Not a Prayer Man, and I was like, I can't wait to see how he attacks this.
Nope, fucking novella.
And I was like, I gotta skip.
Hard pass.
Thank you for your work, Barry, but...
Here's one.
Here's one that's short.
One star.
Unbelievable. Really.
Add this to the voluminous trash heap of ridiculous JFK conspiracies.
All the physical evidence points to Oswald.
All the circumstantial evidence points to Oswald.
If you believe this or any other conspiracy, it's because you have want slash need to.
Oswald did it.
All right.
There you go.
That's there's a one star review right there.
And he didn't.
Oh, my God.
This. Oh, my God.
This guy's post is so long.
Was it the Barry Ryder?
Yeah. Barry Ryder.
Barry Ryder.
Barry Ryder woke up and chose violence that morning.
Oh, Barry Ryder had enough of your bullshit, motherfucker.
Let me tell you.
Oh my God.
This is 166 pages in itself as a review.
Yes. Seven people found it helpful though, so.
Thanks for pilling those seven people, Barry.
You're doing God's work.
Oh man.
Yeah. So yeah.
So that's about it.
We've almost gone an hour here, but yeah, that's, That's where we are.
Uh, we have, uh, The Jews Did It, which is the big QAnon bullshit thing that we are going to be stuck with for forever now because every conspiracy theory needs to be just...
We no longer need the thin veneer of the conspiracy theory to hide the antisemitism.
It's just all antisemitism all day, every day now.
Just all bullshit.
And we have Representative Luma, uh, Luna, um, just Was it Charlie Kirk that was, He was the one that posted the Luna video that I quote tweeted.
To like just show how this Luna bullshit is permeating through the right wing griftosphere that like Charlie Kirk is just like, Oh shit, we're going to prove it.
Conspiracy to do it.
Yeah. Way to go Luna.
And again, Kirk and all these clowns have not looked into the Kennedy assassination for one second of their lives.
Everything they know is from Oliver Stone.
It's fucking so sad how they do no research.
He was literally one of the people that tweeted like, uh, so did anyone like read through this yet?
So I can get like, yeah, like Rogan was like, can someone grok this for me?
My brain is smooth.
It's like, fuck you.
Read this shit or, or like me, don't read it.
Cause there's fucking nothing in it and there never was.
And your president has even said so.
So yeah.
So yeah.
So. The JFK files, just an excuse for anti-Semitism, but then Rep Luna came out and just lied about either the lovely photo or the prayer man video, or she's just gonna lie and say it's neither of those, it's gonna be great.
So yeah, all that's going on.
By the way, I'm now halfway done with Rush to Judgment, which is Mark Lane's, it's the OG conspiracy book, it's like the Attack on the Warren Commission, and Oh my god, it's the most dishonest fucking book you can imagine.
It's so fucking ridiculous.
This guy is so full of shit.
God, I hate him.
But my favorite thing was he went through the entire...
Ruby kills Oswald thing.
And then at the very back of it, he's stuck in the fact that we have, by the way, Ruby was at a Western Union four minutes before the shooting.
And there's a timestamp transaction that indicates that.
And basically Mark Lane's defense is pretty much, yeah, the Dallas police were just waiting for him to show up.
They're like, come on, Chuck, get out of the Western Union so we can move Oswald so you can kill him for us.
And it's like, oh man, like fucking, like seriously, bro, like.
You don't have to attack every piece of information.
That's the, it's like so crazy.
Like everything that happened in the Kennedy assassination.
He's like, ah, this is bullshit too.
And it's like, it's like Matt, Mark, there's fucking four shells that Oswald dropped the Tippett killing.
They were from his gun.
He killed Tippett.
He didn't kill Tippett.
It's like, okay, great.
Like as cold as we have him on the Kennedy assassination, we have him double cold on the Tippett murder.
Calm down.
Calm down.
But Mark Lane's like, No!
I'm exonerating him for everything!
I can't wait until he tells us he didn't shoot General Walker.
It's going to be fucking incredible when I get to that chapter.
If it exists.
But yeah.
So, uh, fucking yee!
God, fuck you, Mark Lane.
You're making me write a fucking book.
I hate you.
Listeners, if you want to know more about our trip to go see the site where Tippett died, uh, listen to our episode where we went to Dallas together.
Yeah. I believe that one is Mike completes his Hajj.
I believe is the title of it.
This was my holy moment.
I had to go to Dealey Plaza.
I had to.
I had to go to the scene of the crime, literally, to see what happened for this thing that has eaten my brain for decades.
So yeah.
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