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March 28, 2025 - Adventures in HellwQrld
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Adventures In HellwQrld Presents: Medbeds!

In this Episode the gang talks about Med Beds and fake cures and how this is one of the cruelest conspiracies out there. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello, everybody!
I am Mike Raines, a.k.a.
Poker and Politics, and welcome to another episode of Adventures in Hellworld.
This week, I am joined, as always, by the incredibly quiet Chaley, a.k.a.
Haley, a.k.a.
Arizona Rightwatch.
Listen, okay, for some reason my mic is being incredible.
Don't. Don't mock me, Eric.
For some reason, my mic is being incredibly quiet, so if listeners don't hear me as much, I apologize, but also if you hear me screaming, it's because I'm talking loud into my mic, and I don't know how it'll pick up, but we'll see.
We'll see.
We're not professionals.
As Stephanie said, what should this podcast be called?
Four Idiots.
So, anyways, we're also joined by Eric, the Deep State Operative.
That's right.
And as far as I can tell, my microphone is working beautifully.
Oh, that thundering baritone.
It's so melodic.
And we're also joined by Steph.
She's back!
She's back!
I'm here!
I'm not dead or whatever was wrong with me the last few times.
Well, I was hoping you were dead.
The last thing I heard, you were seen walking up the Appalachian Trail in inappropriate clothing for the weather.
Yeah, yeah, without my shoes on, of course.
Somebody got that.
I understand the Ablation Trail, yes.
David Polites, if you're listening, that was for you.
So what's going on?
What's been going on?
Anybody do anything fun?
I am currently basking in the JFK files.
It's awesome.
Okay, this isn't going to be an episode about that, but we should briefly mention how funny it kind of has been.
Because just in my personal, like, searching, I've seen the people who aren't in the Jews Did It camp have been like, can somebody, like, read this for me and tell me what's in this?
Oh, yeah.
You had Joe Rogan, Brett Favere, and a bunch of other right-wing shitweasels be like, can someone just put this into Grok and have Grok tell me the answers?
Yeah. And it's like, are all your brains...
It's not Shakespeare.
Are all your brains fucking tapioca?
Do none of you have any fucking comprehension of the ability to read?
It's like, oh my god, you're all so lazy.
It's just like...
Elon, Elon, make your computer tell me the Jews did it.
I just want your machine to let me know the Jews killed Kennedy, please.
Question. Brent Favre is a football guy, isn't he?
Yes, he is.
I was recommended on my Twitter this morning, and I was like, this is a football guy.
Is he pilled?
He's a bit pilled.
Didn't he run some scam with...
Yes. He scammed, I believe it was Missouri welfare out of a ton of money and also sent unsolicited dick pics to training staff and people when he was in football.
Just an all-around terrible human being.
He's literally the worst.
I mean, I usually assume that any football player is a sexual predator until I learn otherwise.
Oh, yeah.
As well you should.
As well you should.
And Penn State, ring a bell?
What? Penn State?
Does that ring a bell to anybody?
That whole thing?
Oh, yes.
But that wasn't a football player.
That was a coach.
So where do you think they picked it up from?
Yeah, Jerry Sandusky was the font of all sexual assaults in America.
That's right.
I will say, though, Walter Payton probably was not a molester.
I'll just say that.
Yeah, so the JFK files have been very fun because it's been literal the giantest of nothing burgers again.
I do like watching the QAnon guys being like, okay, can we find something that we can squeeze out of this thing to make into a win?
Look, I told you guys this joke before about the guy who dies, goes to heaven, and he says the guy who killed JFK.
And God says it was Oswald, and the guy's like...
Yeah. For 99% of these people, no amount of evidence is ever going to satisfy them.
It's not.
Well, they just want to be right.
They want their priors confirmed.
That's all there is to this.
Yeah, it's a sunk cost, because they've spent all this time and all this effort, and some of them may have lost family and friends.
Yeah. And I'm going to...
So, you're going to be listening to this.
It's going to be posted after I do this, but this is being recorded before I do a Twitter space tonight at 8 Eastern, where I'm going to ask people to pill me on the Kennedy assassination.
And I'm going to give you a spoiler alert.
Probably no one's going to show up to try to pill me.
These people are all gutless cowards who have no idea what actually happened in the Kennedy assassination.
So if next time we do a pod, I show up with a mea culpa, then I will.
But I've done this a few times where I've logged on and been like, hey, everyone, let's talk Kennedy assassination.
And just crickets from Team Conspiracy Theory.
Team The Jews did it.
Weirdly quiet when they know they got somebody on the other side of the ring who knows this stuff and can actually talk about it.
Yeah, I think that's what it is.
Someone like me who is convinced that Oswald did it, but I don't have encyclopedic knowledge of every instant of that day, they'll talk to me because they'll be like, okay, I can try to fool this guy.
But they see you throwing out stuff, you know, people they never even heard of, and they're like, okay, okay, this guy's going to be a bit harder to, you know, to break down.
Yeah, you're not going to be able to bullshit me.
I actually saw someone, like, tell me that Oswald went to Mexico City to get a passport, and when he was denied, he, like, said, well, if you don't give me a passport, I'm going to kill Kennedy.
And I'm like, that didn't happen.
Just FYI.
Because if that had happened, I would have known about it.
Because that would have been a really declarative statement by that guy.
So yeah, it was very silly.
He has inside information.
How dare you?
Yeah. I mean, it was really funny because I saw some people hyping this stuff up.
And then...
Now they're just, well, we got something out of it.
And no, he's like, no, you didn't.
You didn't get anything out of this.
This is a giant wall.
This is the government that supposedly had a hand in killing him.
And yes, I know it's been a very long time period since he was killed so that most of those people who supposedly did it in the government are dead by now.
But do you think the same government that...
That did this conspiracy is going to release all of the documents?
Really? You think that?
You think that?
And, you know, the people that, like, you know, the thing with the Epstein binders and stuff like that, after that, you think you trust them?
You trust what they release?
And these conspiracies, these keen-eyed conspiracy theorists who will spot a quote-unquote anomaly.
Where one doesn't exist in a photo or a circumstance.
None of them are suspicious that maybe some of these pages were forgeries?
Come on.
If you're going to be a conspiracy theorist, be a conspiracy theorist and you should be questioning the validity of those papers.
But the government is good right now.
Government is never good.
That's about it, he's in charge.
Yeah, I mean, go ahead, Haley.
Oh, nothing.
I was going to say that I think that a lot of right-wing conspiracy theorists were excited at the prospect of the JFK files being released, but it's like...
They start flipping through it and they immediately get bored because they're like, I don't know any of these dates or names or any of these intricate details.
Can someone just tell me if the Jews did it or the Freemasons?
Because I saw that Charlie Kirk was like, this looks interesting and shared a page that just mentioned the CIA.
And all his responses were even from right-wingers like, this has been available for 40 years, this document that you're sharing.
Oh, so did they do the same thing that they did with Epstein, where they just released stuff that was already out?
They released a lot of stuff from the Biden release, but there were some things that did get up, like some of the redactions got lifted.
There was a small quantity of new information that was released, but like 90% of it was old stuff that was public forum knowledge already.
I mean, it was, again, very disappointing, very depressing, and just good.
I hope these people just continue to eat these shit sandwiches as their heroes, promise them huge things, then give them total failures.
It's great.
They deserve every crumb of it.
Have you guys heard of someone named Blair White?
Yes. Yeah.
Okay. I haven't.
Any relation to a witch?
I just happened upon this tweet where she's saying, call me a Nazi, but I'm starting to think Israel had something to do with it.
And then she's got three pictures posted, which appears to be documents from the JFK release.
And basically just any time the words Israel or Israeli intelligence service is brought up, it's circled.
Right. Yeah, that's the proof.
From the anti-Semitic, right?
I saw something.
That's like saying that, like, oh, I did a search for the word the, and it came up a bunch of times, so this document must be about the.
Yeah. Mike, are you going to actually, like, hard dig into the few new things that are released, or what?
I've been just reading the people who have been posting the new stuff, and I've been reading that, and it's mostly...
Just that the CIA's monitoring of Oswald was a little more intense than we were let on to.
Because originally, because all of this cover-up shit was just the CIA being like, look, Oswald, we don't know him.
And then more and more information coming out that they did know about him.
And now this is just the latest.
Yeah, they were following him a bit more than they even claimed in the previous stuff.
And that's it.
I mean, that's really what happened was after Kennedy gets murdered, the FBI and the CIA just start digging through all their files on Oswald.
And if they find anything, they just destroy it because they do not want people to know that this prick was on their radar and they didn't do anything about it.
I posted it.
Unfortunately, they cut it before the best line.
But there's a scene in the movie Parkland.
Basically, this guy made a movie that was kind of like the anti-Oliver Stone JFK movie.
It was just an Oswald fucking did it movie.
And it was more about the periphery people than the big players.
It was more about the Secret Service agents.
It was about Zapruder.
It was about the little people.
It wasn't about...
Kennedy and Jackie and Lyndon Johnson and all of them.
And so they're in the FBI office in Dallas, and this guy who's above the agent in question is like, look at this, and throws this note at him.
And the other agent, Agent Halsey, or however you say his name, he knows what this is all about.
And he's just like, look, man.
I get fucking threatened by cranks every fucking day of my life.
And then the other guy reads the note, and the note is from Oswald saying, you talked to my wife without my permission.
You need to stop doing that, or I'm going to come at you, bro.
I ain't going to tolerate you mucking with my family, you motherfucker.
And Hosey's just sitting there saying, Everyone fucking threatens to kill me.
I don't do anything about it.
And the other agent is, motherfucker, this guy handed this note in our office 10 days ago.
We could have arrested him.
He would have been off the streets.
This would not have happened.
And they're just going back and forth.
And then finally, the other character just screams at Ozzy.
This is the greatest motherfucking law enforcement failure in the history of America.
Just to let him know that, like, yeah, you let the guy walk and now he's killed the fucking president.
So fuck you, you fucking fuck.
Well, it was the greatest law enforcement error in America up until 2001.
Oh, no, it still was.
Fuck 9-11.
Kennedy getting murdered by a dum-dum.
9-11!
There's your t-shirt.
I forgot 9-11.
Let's cut that out on all the trailers for this show.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
But I mean, no, the thing with the JFK is that, and one of the interesting parallels between JFK and 9-11 is that both are forever entrenched in conspiracy theory, but there's also...
A reason for it because of the unusual nature and the vast majority of witnesses.
Both events were witnessed by a lot of people.
Not as much with 9-11.
I mean, more with 9-11, obviously.
But once evidence starts to leak out about like, oh, hey, this terrorist was on some lists and it's just a series of government fuck-ups.
And it sounds like that's basically what a lot of this JFK stuff was.
Nobody was really meaning for anything to happen.
Everybody's just an idiot.
Yeah, the big payoff to that scene afterwards is the other agent tells Hoseley to burn the note.
He's just like, burn that.
It didn't happen.
They start destroying evidence that they had any contact with Oswald because they're just so ashamed of it.
And that's the conspiracy, was these intelligence organizations covering their asses after the fact that all this stuff happened.
Anyhow, we're 15 minutes into an episode about med beds, and we haven't talked about them yet, so it's time to start talking about some med beds.
Haley, how do you feel about med beds?
Well, I just want to end it by saying these lies about Oswald are just trying to keep another sexy man down, just like Luigi.
But moving on.
the, the, I was Is the episode of me talking about the conference going to come out before this one?
I thought I already posted it, but if I didn't...
I didn't see it last I checked.
I'll check.
This is semi a part two because the person who hosted the event that I went to in Florida, which you have to listen to the last episode.
To get all the details, chatters, is that besides running an XRP crypto scam, the event host Mel Carmine also ran a company that he gave me a gift card to that didn't even cover the minimum amount you have to pay, so it's more like you come to my business and pay me kind of thing.
For a so-called medbed company that they called Staying alivey or staying alive depending where you look.
They spell it differently elsewhere.
So it's either alive to I's or alive to E's.
And this place was situated directly behind a Wizard of Oz museum that was confusingly in Cape Canaveral, Florida.
It was in a building that looked like old apartments that had been converted into businesses.
And the only thing that had an actual sign was a comic book shop in there.
And I couldn't get in because it was locked.
And when I tried to look up corporation information, like Florida Corporation Commission information, they're not registered under either Staying Alivey or Staying Alive.
So, possibly another interesting scam that they're pulling.
They have, like, some Sovereign Citizen, like, private membership association talk on their page.
So, I was wondering if maybe they were, like, somehow not legit.
Because they are, they present themselves as a med-bed company.
But it's not really beds.
You more, like, lay in, like, those Bowflex, like, chairs that, you know, like...
Moms used to use in the early 2000s.
And you sit in those or you sit on a mat and they blast these TVs at you that are basically stacked on top of one another and they emit static, like different color static that you're listening to the static and that's what's healing you.
And it does, it claims to heal Like cancer, you know, thyroid problems, your autism, all this stuff.
They also have these things called like therapy, but it's spelled odd.
It's spelled like T-H-E-R-A-P-H-I.
Like plasma rejuvenation orbs that they kind of just like have situated around the room that...
This all sounds like a 1990s alternative music video, like, for Soundgarden or Nine Inch Nails or something.
Okay, but for real, because, you know, you can see, they had, like, an example of the TVs at the actual event I went to, and even though I couldn't get into the building, like, you can see stuff on their website.
I put it in chat.
And, like, on the, like, Google page that has photos inside.
And it does kind of feel like a music video.
It's like the TVs are all cool, like an art installation.
They got, like, a big picture of Nikola Tesla and, like, rockets launching and, like, spacemen surfing.
And they do other, like, you know, kind of woo-woo, like, we're doing hypnotherapy, we're doing chakra healing, we're doing all that stuff.
The people that run it, I mean, I don't know because the corporation information wasn't actually available, but, like, the actual Quantum Summit that I went to, this XRP event I went to, was sponsored by Staying Alive-y, and, like, all the photos are of the host's wife, so it seems like they run it, but I don't know what the legal situation is here, because they are presenting themselves as, like, healing people, which has to be, there has to be something.
Oh, I'm sure they're just doing all kinds of stuff that's aggressively not FDA approved and all that kind of bullshit.
They're probably through some shell companies like LLCs out of Delaware.
Yeah, I was trying to just keep digging until I found who actually runs this fucking room that they're in.
But I have found nothing, so I don't know if they're even on the up and up.
I'm looking at the pricing for the packages, and it's actually more reasonable than I thought.
Like, $100 for a two-hour session?
I mean, I'd probably pay more than that for a therapist.
Is there any connection to the Integratron?
I don't know what that is.
It's this big dome that's out down near Joshua Tree, California.
I was actually going to go there back when I was a conspiracy theorist.
And it's a sound bath.
And you're supposed to be able to get healed out there.
And it was created by a guy who was part of a UFO cult.
And it's in the Weird California book.
And this guy apparently had some influence within the UFO and New Age community.
But the sound bath, the Integratron...
Sounds a lot like some of these healing things.
I'm not gonna lie.
Like, don't tell me this bullshit that it cures my autism or something.
But I like, like, vibes, you know, and noises and just kind of, like, chilling.
You know, like, take my phone away for, like, force my phone away from me.
Just give me some weird sounds.
Sure, let me sit in an ASMR booth for two hours.
ASMR, yeah, ASMR booth, it's fine.
We don't have to claim it cures cancer.
You don't have to be manipulative.
I'm reading over the website, and it's all, I mean, it's pretty boilerplate, woo-woo, natural healing shit, but I noticed it's where they talk about how it's a holistic process, and there's all this stuff where it sounds really good, but if you really, Read between the lines.
They're not saying it does much of anything at all.
They make no specific claims at all because they probably get their pants sewed off.
And they can't.
Yeah, they can't.
Yeah. That MedBed company in Butler, PA, I watched a video.
The Tesla.
Tesla, yeah.
Just disclaimer, Tesla biohealing is no connection to Elon Musk's company as much as we might like it to be.
Yeah, but they have to make those statements like the FDA is not approved, blah, blah, blah.
These are not designed to treat, blah, blah, blah.
They have to put, and that basically just protects them from almost all the bullshit that they do.
That they do to people.
And some people die because...
And I used to work for this one warehouse company out in California and I was friends with a boss and she was like, oh yeah, my one friend died of cancer.
Cancer was totally treatable but she decided to go to alternative healers and then finally it was too late and she died.
Like, oh hey, those were some good life choices.
Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what Steve Jobs did to himself.
He decided to fucking allow his chakras and shit until his liver got so toxic.
He's like, oh shit, I now need a new one.
And he gave himself the cancer with his stupid diet anyway, so it's like, hey, thank you for ridding the world of you.
I just sent the therapy tubes that they also blast at you.
Yeah, Steve Jobs was like, his diet consisted of the carrot-flavored naked drink.
Which is like, that's basically just drinking cans of soda all day.
Like, it's not actually good for you.
This therapy thing reminds me of something I heard about on another podcast, one that, Stephanie, I know you've been on, the Q Drops podcast, where they were talking about this one woman who, I think it was like her second husband or something like that, got into all this bio...
Medbed stuff, and he bought these cans that were supposed to have healing, and you just put them next to your bed.
She said they looked like paint cans or something like that, and they were sealed, and just putting them next to your bed was supposed to heal you like a medbed.
I can't remember the name of the company that they were from or anything, so I can warn people about it, but this Therapy thing looks really close to it.
Oh, I think maybe it's actually Therapy, because I noticed...
In their official logo, they have the Greek symbol Phi instead of a P. Yeah.
Yeah. I just love that kind of defeat where all you can say is just, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
I did see, though, a trigger warning.
I know we have it at the beginning, but just quick mention that...
I did see that a company that was claiming to provide some type of wellness care with hyperbaric chambers recently made the news.
Literally right when I got back from this event because they put a little boy in it who I believe had ADHD.
They were trying to cure his ADHD and it caught fire and killed him.
So that is part of the problem with a lot of these scam things.
It's super unregulated.
You guys weren't in the last episode, but they were hawking at the actual event this wand that was basically a healing wand.
It just looked like a flashlight.
But they claimed it would recharge your cells and heal your cancer cells if you flash the light at it.
And that actually did have an FDA warning in its country of origin.
And yeah, scams.
And I know Tesla BioHealing has received at least one official warning from the FDA to stop telling people that their product is a treatment for any kind of medical condition.
Because I found the actual letter that the FDA wrote to them online on their websites.
It was just like, you pieces of shit!
Stop it right now!
Are there any actual med-bed companies, quote-unquote med-bed, that do more of the traditional look that you see in sci-fi, where you get into a tube?
I was wondering about that.
I don't know.
Mike? Yeah, I've seen some people...
Most of the med-bed people that I've seen...
Are doing stuff with just a hotel room and they're like, hey, you come into this room and we've got this special mattress that will unlock your healing auras and do all that.
I know Tesla has a room in a Ramada in Butler, PA, where you can go and book a session.
Yeah, that kind of stuff.
The actual tube thing.
Where they put you in there and they close the plastic shield over you.
I haven't seen any of those.
Personally, I always picture Stargate when James Spader is sticking his girlfriend inside the sarcophagus to bring her back to life.
Oh yeah, it's the Lazarus Pit with Ra's al Ghul.
And it's also, they also have it in the Fifth Element.
Prometheus, Alien 4, Elysium.
Elysium. They have it in the Sims 4 game.
The Fifth Element one is pretty impressive because the Fifth Element one shows 3D printing before 3D printing actually existed.
Yeah, and it's also the first instance of podcasting before podcasting existed.
Oh, yes, with Chris Tucker's character.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But some of this MedBed stuff might have originated from the experiments in isolation tanks that were done by Dr. Lilly, who then later went on to make a woman masturbate a dolphin.
Oh, for that story.
Yeah. Yeah, I heard about that one.
So, like, the isolation tanks, I think they kind of, like, started this idea.
And then you had the sci-fi intrigue, the UFO culture, a lot of these, like, cultural elements.
Whenever you want to look for the start of, like, a conspiracy theory, it's always in pop culture.
There's always some pop culture thing.
And I think, you know, like, and Omni magazine was big back then at the time.
Fate magazine and shit.
People were going all in on this stuff.
And then I, you know, it just led over.
And look at us now.
Oh, the most magical.
What a magical time for us.
I'm so glad I'm looking at this right now.
I'm just being really sad that this is where we're at.
This is where we're at.
I think that, what's that woman's name?
Romana. The woman who claims she's the queen of Canada.
Yeah, queen of Canada.
Now the queen of the world.
Yeah, she's the world now.
I kind of stopped paying attention to her for a couple years.
I didn't know about that.
She's a dancing queen.
Yes. I heard she's always pushing med beds.
Any day now, we're going to bring out the med beds.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I mean, it's homicide.
It's manslaughter.
Like a lot of the shit when these people promise these medbeds, or they promise the hope of them, manslaughter.
That should be the very least charge you get.
Yeah, I see all these people talking about how they're refusing medical treatment because they're waiting for the medbeds to come out to fix everything.
about it.
To get a tenor in the moped helps a little, if it helps a lot.
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Yeah. Go ahead, Mike.
No, I was going to say that this is, this stuff with people believing in med beds is, some of the darkest parts of QAnon is watching people Caught up in this bullshit, just being broken by it.
I remember a few years ago, back in Trump's first term, Praying Medic was posting some of his standard bullshit, and one of the people replied to Praying Medic and was like, yo, Praying Medic, my wife's got stage 4 cancer.
I really need Trump to release the med beds.
I can't lose her.
And it's just, you read that, you're like, fuck!
It's like, goddammit!
I mean, I hope this woman has been getting regular treatments and has actually been in a hospital and all that kind of stuff.
Because if she's not, and now her situation is that dire, if these pricks have been lying to these idiots about the fact that Trump's going to release the cure for cancer, he's going to take care of all this stuff, it's all going to work out great, you don't need to worry about any of these things.
It's just...
Just such a really disgusting thing to do to people, to lie to them about this kind of false hope.
And then now this is where they're at.
They're just like, please, please, President Trump, release the cancer cure.
And guess what?
He doesn't have it.
It doesn't exist.
And on top of that, aren't they, like, fucking up some research into, like, vaccines that could protect people against cancer?
Yeah, they're fucking up mRNA vaccines now.
Yeah, so not only do they not have the med beds, but they're actually making your chances of medical intervention worse.
Yay! They're trying to kill us all, and it's not a conspiracy theory.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
It's not great.
Also, at this Quantum Summit, there were some people affiliated with the Michael Protzman cult.
Like, previously.
And, like, the negative 48 cult.
And I've actually seen them, like, three times before that.
Before he died.
I've seen Protzman in person.
And when they did that, like, break-off.
That even more break-off cult with the Scooby-Doo bust.
They, like, broke down here for months.
So I just saw them around.
But there was one lady that was affiliated with the Protzman cult.
I don't know if she's still alive.
I would honestly doubt it.
Because she did have cancer.
And she traveled along in this bus with Protzman who was selling them the lie of med beds.
And she believed in it.
So, like, I didn't even...
She was often just, like, sick in the bus, I think.
But yeah, that was like one of those, like, these people are fucked up.
These people are fucked up that sell their followers, these kind of lies.
Yeah, I mean, wasn't that how Negative 48 was saying that JFK and JFK Jr. were still alive because they got revived by medbeds?
Yeah, oh yeah, he thought JFK was revived by a medbed, which, seeing as how JFK was murdered, pronounced dead, autopsied, Give him the burial treatment so he's pumped full of formaldehyde and all the rest of it.
And then they just pop his totally annihilated body into the medbed and he's just good as new.
So, I mean...
Well, you know, like Ross said, we chose these vessels because they're easier to heal than our own.
Yes. Yes, exactly.
Also, I've noticed it's not medbeds, but...
Just an extension of the, like, do not get care for your cancer that you have kind of conspiracies is a lot of the Maha people push, like, ivermectin now for cancer.
They say if, like, you mix ivermectin and, like, benbenazole or something, it cures cancer.
So it's just, like, an extension of these alt-health, which is different than medbeds, but still kind of tied.
I remember running across this one guy who was saying that ivermectin works for every disease because all diseases are caused by parasites.
Yeah, I've heard that.
That's some Victorian shit when they believe that worms were the cause of everything.
Yeah, or God cursed you or something.
I just want to say something.
If any of these people who sell these things to vulnerable people, if any of you hoaxers happen to be listening, I just want to say, I don't believe in hell.
And I don't know math, but I will go to MIT.
I will figure out a way to get in there so I can become an architect and an engineer to build a hell for you.
Because... Ted Bundy, in my opinion, is more deserving of life than you motherfuckers.
That's all I have to say, because you take vulnerable people and you kill them, and then their death leaves a hole of trauma that echoes throughout generations.
So congratulations, you didn't just kill one person.
You destroyed an entire family.
Let it all out, Stephanie.
Don't hold back.
I'm sorry, but I mean, I was a victim of this shit, and I watch other people.
And I got out, and some people won't, and I'm sorry.
It's just so personal for me.
No, yeah, I actually wanted to talk to you, like, kind of about something that I witnessed at the Quantum Summit, because, like, it was just an interesting event, because there was lots of different types of grifters, but there was one man...
in particular that just like stuck with me because he almost made me cry because it was like he wasn't so much of a conspiracy like he wasn't like talking about anything except conspiracies that he sees in his own personal life so he basically claims to have actually written The Matrix and he gives this long presentation basically that's just like how all the numbers in the movie are secretly mocking him About the death of his two sons and the death of his fiancée and how he wanted to kill
himself afterwards.
And it's like, okay.
And he was not presenting it calmly.
He was having a manic episode.
And it's like, then all the QAnon people are just like, alright, good job.
Bye XRP if you guys want to talk to him more about how the Wachowskis stole the movie.
Meet him backstage.
And it's like a visible representation of a man who needs So much help.
Yes. Yes.
And all they're doing is they, because we're going to talk about it on our Twitch stream tonight, all they're doing is encouraging he sounds like a targeted individual.
And these cases of targeted individuals, we didn't have them as much before social media.
Yeah, what you guys are talking about is, in a lot of ways, what Sarah Ruth Ashcraft had going on back in the good old days of QAnon when she was accusing Tom Hanks of having purchased her from her father.
And that's what led to all this bullshit about Tom Hanks being a pederast.
And if you were around...
For her Twitter feed, she was very obviously mentally ill and desperately needed help.
She would talk about how her and her boyfriend were off their meds and they had decided not to take them.
I forget which one of the two of them had decided Operation Not Beyond the Meds was the plan for the two of them.
But it was just this very obvious, you are a person who needs to take your drugs to get yourself mentally stable.
And you're not doing it, and you're making yourself unwell, and you're being rewarded with attention and fame by your audience who are just pushing you into a darker and darker place.
Yeah, so that they can make money off of your misery, too.
Literally. And it does spread.
Most of these cases are people who have a diagnosable mental illness, like paranoid schizophrenia.
You can manifest these symptoms.
You know, the French word, I can never say it, the shared delusion, the delusion of two.
And in social, you know, studies have shown this, that exposure to certain ideas through social media can cause someone to believe those things, even if they never previously had that belief.
I mean, it's sad.
And what, you know, in the...
Old, old days, these people had been chained to a wall and, like, died of neglect.
And then we were starting to come around to where, like, people were getting treatment and stuff like that.
And now it's, instead of getting them treatment, let's celebrate them and encourage it.
And that's just as bad as chaining them to the wall.
Folly adieu.
But... I also think that this is part of the, like, incredibly, incredible, because it's like, okay, medbed, sci-fi, we all want that.
But the grifters that prey on these people, it is very, very insidious, because it's like, everyone gets sick, everyone knows people who get sick, pain makes people, you know, look for answers, you know, and...
I see the MedMed stuff as a way of pulling people in who aren't even that conspiratorial.
They're just looking for solutions.
Gross. Stephanie?
I just want to say that you can look at conspiracy theories in a cultural and historical perspective.
When we look at the current time period we're in, we We have a collision of every type of conspiracy theory.
Because you have ones that relate to health or biology.
You have history ones.
You have political ones.
There's a mix of them.
We have this unique collision right now because each conspiracy theory represents something culturally significant to people.
And that conspiracy theory doesn't even have to be real.
The targeted individuals, they're expressing a very...
Real, albeit, you know, increasingly paranoid view about concerns of surveillance state.
And, you know, the JFK assassination conspiracies are, they exhibit a very real concern.
Is the government really always doing what they're supposed to do?
9-11 exposed the same thing.
And these med beds, without saying, capitalism is murdering us.
That's what these medbed conspiracy theories are saying.
That's what the chemtrails are saying.
Because we are increasingly seeing more and more people who are getting sick.
Because government...
There's nuclear burial sites in places that there shouldn't be.
You know, there's shit that they knew about, that the government knew about, that they didn't warn us about.
And people are getting sicker.
So people look to other answers.
Oh, it's fluoride in the water.
It's shit they're spraying on the sky.
It's, you know, like some kind of like secret like government thing.
Bitch, we don't need government to be making us sick.
They already started that process years ago and it wasn't necessarily something they did on purpose.
It was something they did to make money or to save money.
Yeah, like just the politics of like non-stick pans.
You know, and how, like, they suppressed, like, just, like, information about Teflon or whatever.
Like, they, I mean, like, you know, corporations and, like, people that had interest in that.
And it's like, that's, that's not a conspiracy.
That's just, like, reality.
You don't have to, like, get all conspiratorial.
You could just see it.
Ways to fuck with our health.
You know, access to doctors is...
Going to get more difficult now with all the shit that Trump's doing.
And access to affordable medical care has always been a problem in this country.
That's why these people are for...
I mean, hey, we had a very, very popular TV show based around a high school teacher who couldn't afford his fucking cancer treatments and he became a drug lord.
Okay? Like, you know, it's a realistic show.
It really is.
Actually, the thing that's really funny about that is the Breaking Bad discourse gets very angry when you say that because they bring up the fact that Walter had excellent health care from his teacher's union and he was just a dick.
And he just couldn't, he just fucking couldn't handle it.
Well, you know what?
Maybe he was, but in that story, we can find a lesson about...
And, you know, even just the scene where, like, they won't even treat him until he writes the check.
Like, you know, like, there's something.
That's why these med beds are popular.
That's why these natural cures are popular.
Because healthcare is, for all the telehealth availability that we have, healthcare is becoming increasingly harder to navigate.
I understand that.
I completely understand the fact that healthcare is hard to come by and that people get desperate.
But I just think that our shitty healthcare system isn't an excuse for people to become predators and then lie about shit.
Oh, no.
No, no, no, no.
I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that our shitty healthcare system is also to blame for this.
Yeah, and also I think there is, like, it's, like, people like Mel Carmine, the host, like, definitely knows what he's doing, but there's definitely some, I think, victims in that audience or just in his sphere.
I personally, honestly, do know somebody that, like, falls for healthcare conspiracies, not, like, not like Maha shit, like, like, takes, like, the Miracle Mineral Solution type stuff, which is bleach.
It's just bleach.
Yeah, because when you're desperate, you'll try anything.
Yeah, literally.
I completely understand.
I've known them to never have healthcare and always be working really shitty jobs and always have really bad health.
Really bad health.
I see why they fall for scams.
And yeah, I think it's like...
Honestly, I think healthcare scams are probably one of the most prevalent scams in America, probably.
Med beds are the fantastical route.
There's so many healthcare scams.
A lot of it because, unfortunately, older people tend to be more gullible and more susceptible to these, and they also have a tendency to be sick because they're older.
So it's just, yeah, it's like a perfect storm of grifting.
Right. You have a target audience that both needs your product and is willing to buy into your product.
Right. So that's how you get them.
It's super...
And, you know, I'm sorry, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say, it's Pokemon.
It's super effective.
I mean, it's just...
And I was just going to say, they always, like, trot out, like...
Like, when you see an interview with Chris Key, the vaccine police guy who supposedly drinks his own urine, and I've watched videos of him doing it, he isn't drinking urine, because I've seen videos of him, and he looks healthy, he looks normal, he looks fine.
So, these people are absolutely not actually consuming their products.
When Alex Jones raves about his fucking sea moss, he's probably not taking it, because he knows it's, oh, hey, it's air and sawdust.
Is that vaccine police guy?
Is that the one who posed in front of his vaccine police car with those cute little biker shorts?
Yeah, he is.
I watched a video of him once.
The whole purpose of the video was him and his friend were going to barbecue some meat.
They were obviously messed out because it took them 20 minutes just to figure out where the grill was.
Christopher Key was at the event I was at last week.
That event was such a wild ride.
Mike, are there any other common, besides med beds, like suppressed technology?
Well, I mean, in our sphere that you're talking about right now, when it comes to that shit, it's all about the ivermectin.
I mean, it's just literally, ivermectin cures fucking everything.
It's the ultimate miracle drug.
And the Deep State Illuminati just won't let it...
Be released.
When ivermectin is owned by Merck, it's an actual...
I mean, this is a drug.
It's a drug that a fucking pharmaceutical company owns.
And for some reason, these people who are like, I want natural cures to everything, are like, I want a drug from a pharmaceutical company.
Can I make a suggestion?
I'm just concerned if so many people start taking ivermectin, like, what changes could it do to their body?
And then, like, remember, like, in COVID, they test for diseases in the sewer.
Like, what could those changes, and then in the excrement, like, there's something just beyond your own ingestion of it that could be harming.
You know?
I don't think ivermectin shedding is a thing.
I don't think...
No, I didn't mean that, but I mean, like, people are pumping, like, all of, like, the excrement of it out into the system, and, like, can parasites get tolerant like bacteria can?
Is that a thing?
I don't...
You know what I mean?
They don't even have the parasites.
They don't even have...
When you're exposing yourself to the antidote to something you don't have, you might be causing some kind of...
I don't think we're going to get MRSA-based Ivermectin thing.
I don't think that's going to happen.
Ivermerson. Ivermerson.
No. One thing I want to say, some of the people who are aware that ivermectin is made by Big Pharma, their dodge for that is, well, ivermectin is so cheap that they're not making any money off it, so that's why they're not marketing it, and that's why it's okay.
Yeah, and it's like, well, if you could prove that it cures cancer, guess what?
Miracle just jacked the price on it now, because now they've got a cancer cure.
They found the secret?
Yeah, they found the secret.
Yeah. The multi-billion dollar drug company somehow didn't think to fucking test their drug against cancer and only you cranks on the internet made them even richer by unlocking the secret of their drug that they couldn't find.
The Miracle Cancer Cure, that's apple flavored.
Yeah. I get it.
And it works like shit.
Oh, one question I did.
Did Q ever say anything about med beds?
Q never said anything about med beds.
Q did hype ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine because obviously.
Oh, you know what else is fun?
If you do a search on YouTube for med beds, you get some advertisements from people advertising med beds.
Yeah. So it's like, it's everywhere now.
It is everywhere.
I remember hearing about some company, I don't remember the full details of it, but basically they said like, they'll do a med-bed treatment at your home.
They don't even bring any equipment or anything.
They basically send the healing waves through your phone lines or your modem or something.
So you just schedule an appointment with them and then they...
Think good thoughts about you all night long or something.
I was like, that's awesome.
You're paying this company $1,000 and getting literally nothing in exchange for it.
You're literally getting thoughts and prayers.
Yeah, you're handing them money.
You just named my favorite movie.
It is a classical movie, and I was able to actually diagnose Clementine.
She probably has borderline personality disorder.
For anybody who's not in the chat room, which is everybody listening to this, we're talking about Stephanie wrote Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
I like it.
No, Spine of the Spotless Spine.
When you said that it's stuff that they treat you at home with, that's what I was thinking.
Because they set up their little memory wipey thing in the person's home.
And I was just like, oh, it's like eternal sunshine of the spotless spine.
Yeah, but in that case, at least, you know, you got Kirsten Dunst and Frodo Baggins coming to your house and doing some work.
This isn't even that.
Yeah, I'll take Kate.
I'll take Kate Winslet.
She can climb on my door any day.
I loved Kate Winslet as a kid, too.
She's beautiful.
I love her.
You weren't here for Titanic, but I went off on how much I...
I was five.
I was here for it.
Oh, were you?
Yeah, I saw it like six times in the theater.
I had the fucking soundtrack.
I used to blast Celine Dion, bro.
Yeah, I was talking in that episode how Kate Winslet, like, when I was five, I was like, oh, I'm a bisexual.
Okay, I get it.
I get it.
She's the one that made me realize was Kate Winslet.
And everyone was like, oh, she's so fat.
She's so fat.
I'm like, no, she isn't.
And I was like, is that your definition of fat?
By Hollywood standards, she is.
If you can't count her ribs in Hollywood, then she's fat.
Oh, God.
But, yeah, I just, I mean, I'm going to take a stab and not even, like, look this up, but I think it's safe to say that of all the conspiracy theories in the world, medical ones have probably killed the most people.
Yeah. Yeah, I think there's a special place in hell for someone who is willing to scam somebody who's literally dying.
And like I said, I will go to MIT and get a degree to build that hell just for them.
Maybe like anti-Semitism, maybe anti-Semitic conspiracies.
It's kind of like next...
Every conspiracy eventually leads to Jews or aliens.
Yeah, the MedBed conspiracy, if followed long enough, it'll be like, well, the Jews are suppressing this high-tech technology.
The Pleiadians are trying to bring it to us, but the Jews and the reptilian overlords won't let them.
If anybody actually read my article, and listeners, I hope you do, that was definitely some talk that was in these XRP, crypto, QAnon, Nasara chat rooms, was that the Jews are suppressing Nasara and they are responsible for 9-11, thus responsible for the lack of the implementations.
Yeah. Whatever, you get my point.
My brain, no working.
Corey Goode, no, he wasn't there.
They were advertising Gaia, though, and then some other type of Gaia-like network.
Did they have any 20 and back people there?
Any secret space program people?
Hold on.
Let me just tell you who some of the people were here.
I like how the best they could find from ancient aliens is one of the C-listers on the show.
I know.
I know.
I think he was trying to pull...
Okay, so listeners, if you didn't listen to the last episode, Mike Barrow was the ancient alien guy there.
He seems to be semi-popular.
He was just on Coast to Coast the other day.
Well, George Norrie is on Ancient Aliens 2, so I'm sure all of them have been on it coast to coast at some point.
During his speech, he opened, like, there's only two things in life that matter.
Money and aliens.
And it was like, when I first saw that, I'm like, is he the guy?
And I'm like, he's not.
It doesn't look like him.
And I think he just kind of like, all those guys probably play into that.
They're just like, think I'm the guy.
Carrie Cassidy was there from Project Camelot.
Oh my god, if I had been there, I would have run up to her and I would have been like, I need Solomon Berg's autograph!
Dude, she was a lot.
She was talking some...
Does she still have the droop?
She looks like she kind of, like, had a stroke and she, like, something had happened to her and, of course, she didn't get treated for it.
Yeah, she does have kind of a look about her.
She's beautiful.
She is a beautiful woman and it's like, and you waste this beauty.
And she obviously has some intellect.
Like, you waste all this on this shit?
Are you talking about she's got, like, Bell's palsy or something?
I think she, yeah.
But, uh, she was talking about how Elon is a clone and Tesla is actually, um, like, like Elon is cool.
She thinks Elon's cool, but he is suppressing.
Oh, here we go.
Suppress technology.
Uh, he's suppressing, um, like the real tech and the, uh, like through Tesla's like he's.
That, like, he's kind of like, that's just a toy for the people to think that that's where we're at, where in reality we're much further.
And same thing with telling people that we're going to Mars.
She thinks that that's Elon lying to hide the fact that we already have colonies on Mars.
She was talking nine-foot-tall giant skeletons being hidden by the Smithsonian.
Oh, yeah, that's an old one, yeah.
Reptilians. She talked about...
How the people coming across the border are a certain race of alien.
Raptors? Raptors?
Did she mention the raptors?
I don't think so.
Damn! I've seen people who say that mountains, like actual mountains, are...
Mud fossil.
The fossilized bodies of giants.
I love mud fossil conspiracies.
Yeah, that shit is just...
It's like, oh my god, it's so fun.
It's like when you...
That picture of the hook, the towel hook on the wall, and it's crooked, and it just looks like a drunken octopus that wants to fight you and stuff.
That's all that mud fossil shit is.
It's just pareidolia.
Yeah. Thanks.
I was trying to remember the word.
Yeah, pareidolia.
Juano Sabin was there.
Laura Eisenhower, who does appear to actually be the great-granddaughter of our old president.
Yes. Yeah.
Yeah, I looked, because I remember you asking about that, and I looked it up, and her grandfather looks just like Ike.
And, you know, some of the, and I think, like, Alex Jones had, like, a relative of Martin Luther King Jr. on his show or something, so some of these people, what probably happens is, like, they're told how great this relative is, and they share this name, and they're just, they just probably lose their fucking minds.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I mean, yeah, Martin Luther King Jr.'s family doesn't believe that James Earl Ray killed him.
So, they're all kind of a little bit pilled in the first place.
Well, I mean, the COINTELPRO, the shit they were trying to do to Martin Luther King through COINTELPRO, I mean, that shit, like, again, the government only has themselves to blame for this.
Also, you know, there's nothing about being...
You know, it's just like, it just seems weird that you would see the Eisenhower great-granddaughter to be a conspiracy theorist in such an obscene way, but then it's like, there's nothing stopping her brain.
You know, it's being related to the president doesn't stop you from being insane.
Look at the Trump kids.
And, like, with some of these, like, I mean, you know, with, like, the Russian royalty and, like, sometimes with the British royalty, you go, well, you know.
Yeah. I'm not my, you know, who knows?
But, you know, there's, it's just, I don't know.
I just, I get, I just, I couldn't, like, when I was a conspiracy theorist, I was kind of looking into, like, you know, some of the Reiki stuff, because I was a house cleaner at the time, and I was like, I can't do this.
Doesn't feel right.
And I even argued with myself, well, like, what about the placebo effect?
I'm like, no, this just doesn't feel right.
And I did offer a service of, like, house cleansings.
Like, if somebody wanted me to, like, burn some sage and say some words and stuff like that, I'd do that.
But that didn't feel like I was exploiting.
You know what I mean?
Sage is nice.
And there were some studies, I think they said that it might actually help get rid of bacteria in the air or something.
I think there's a difference between burning sage while you're cleaning up somebody's house and walking in pretending you're the lady from Poltergeist.
Yeah. I had a friend who thought her house was haunted, so I did a little cleansing for her and stuff like that.
And my thought was, like, maybe she was just doing it with her own mind, or maybe it was, like, hallucination, and me doing that would make her feel better, but I wasn't hurting her in that sense, you know what I mean?
Yeah, you weren't charging her $399, $300.
That's what I was about to say.
Did you charge her at all for it?
And, you know, here's the thing to consider.
Like, I think the best example of, like, these healers and stuff, if you go to them, and even if you don't have a problem, they're going to find one because it's in their best interest to find one.
How many houses did Ed and Lorraine Warren go to that just so happened to have a demon at them?
I think it was, like, every single one?
Yeah. Mike, you have Watered Power Car Lover in your name today, and we haven't talked Watered Power Car, so you want to mention it?
We were talking about how suppressed technologies was going to be one of the things that we were potentially going to dig into, and we got mostly on just the health kick, so the forbidden technologies didn't get brought up as much.
And I wasn't going to, like, cram my little story into the conversation when it really didn't, like, fit in.
But, like, yeah, people talk about, like, the water-fueled cars and, like, the nonsense of...
I mean, that was a thing that, like, fucking one of my high school teachers, one of my grade school teachers told me.
He's like, yeah, they got a car that ran on water and...
They wouldn't let us have it.
I remember that was an episode of The Lone Gunman where they discovered the water-powered car.
There's some documentary like Who Killed the Electric Car that I think they touch on it maybe, but I never saw the documentary.
Who Killed the Electric Car was about actually the original because the original EVs came out a long, long time ago and people managed to block them.
But the water car was...
One of the big things that caused electric cars to die out back then was that oil fields were discovered, I think, in Texas, and that caused the price of gasoline to drop considerably.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
But this grifter named Stanley Allen Meyer claimed he had a fuel cell that you could just pour water into it and it would...
Power a car and people tried to duplicate what he was claiming and they couldn't because it was bullshit.
And he got a lot of attention.
He did a bunch of crap and he got sued.
But then far more importantly than all of this is that He died unexpectedly, and apparently, knowing his lot in life and knowing who his audience was, his brother claimed that they were dining in a restaurant, and then Meyer shouted, they poisoned me, and then he ran out of the restaurant and then collapsed.
They said that he died of high blood pressure and cerebral aneurysm, but of course the Illuminati actually stuffed him out because he was meeting with a bunch of bigwigs who were going to fund a water-powered car and tear down the petrol.
The pastoral industrial complex, of which now is now a benevolent force in our universe, according to Donald Trump and QAnon.
And it is the evil electric car that is bad and wrong.
And the water-powered car would be even worse.
Well, electric cars are evil with one exception.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Of course.
Yeah, you're supposed to put your dog shit on that other one.
Yeah. Like, I literally, I saw, um, it was this one account, uh, if you guys heard a three-year Letterman, Yes.
So in case you don't know, he's a parody account.
He kind of pokes fun at both sides of the aisle, but he just has a real hate on for Cat Turd.
And today he had this entry, what he calls Cat Turd vs.
Cat Turd, where he posts two things that Cat Turd said at different points in time that completely contradict each other.
And one of them, he was saying that, you know...
Electric cars are evil, and if you support electric cars, then you're obviously getting paid by them, or you've been convinced by some hacked, corrupt politician to believe in them.
And then the next tweet was him saying, drive your Tesla with pride.
Yes. Yes.
Well, they...
Silence fills the...
I was just going to say that.
I'm going to try to get it out as good as I can.
I've been having a hard time finding words to express how I feel sometimes.
But my biggest, and maybe this is because I'm me, so I'm putting myself ahead of all the other conspiracy theorists.
But when I was a conspiracy theorist, I didn't like Trump.
And I didn't like fascism.
And I didn't like racism, okay?
That, you know, and I didn't know as much about those things as I do now, obviously, clearly, right?
And I have shifted further to the left.
And I believed that guns should, reasonable, reasonable guns should be available to reasonably, mentally healthy, certified, properly trained individuals.
That never changed for me either.
So some of my core beliefs have stayed the same.
Some have changed throughout the years.
And when they change, I'm able to admit that and see that and work with that and acknowledge it and understand it.
These people don't have principles.
And that, to me, is like the worst.
Even if your principles are wrong.
If you have this idea that A plus B equals C, then A plus B should always equal C, and if it stops equaling C, then you need to address why.
Especially if you're someone like Cat Turd.
If you're an influencer, then you can't just have some fucking principles, people.
Cat Turd, have principles.
And Alex Jones, too.
When Alex Jones used to scream about FEMA camps, and the government disappearing people with black bags around their heads, that's actually happening to some people right fucking now, and he loves it.
Right. He doesn't have principles.
None of them have principles.
That stands for Z, not for me.
Right, exactly.
And, you know, I didn't think that every single one of those J6 rioters should be in prison, or maybe some of them should have been in as long.
And, you know, so it's like, I don't understand why there isn't some logic, some rationality, like, hey, look, I don't think all of your guys should have been in prison.
For that long, or maybe not all of them, or this or that.
It's like, why can't we just...
I mean, there's...
I don't...
I'm so frustrated because there's just no reality to argue over anything.
There isn't.
We've lost shared reality.
And I don't think...
I don't think there's any need or...
You shouldn't have no desire to extend an olive branch to these people because they're not going to accept it back.
They're not going to return the favor.
You saying that the Q Shaman should have got out after 18 months instead of three years is not going to make them say, oh, well, maybe the MMR vaccine is good, but the COVID vaccine is bad.
No, but I mean, my opinions haven't changed, even though now that some of them were pardoned, yeah, some of them shouldn't have been in jail in the first place.
My opinions haven't changed.
I don't understand how they have these rapid shifts.
Electric car is bad.
Electric car is good.
Hey, why don't you address that shit?
It's a cult, and you follow the leader.
And whatever the leader says is good, and you just follow it.
That's it.
That's how cognitive dissonance works.
You compartmentalize everything.
This is something I should hate, but leader says good, so therefore good.
Right. I mean, I just...
You're just a conspiracy theorist in the sense that you're a conspiracy theorist like a lot of people are.
It's like Trump leans into conspiracy for the benefit of his political ideology.
It's cynical.
I've always said Trump says whatever he thinks will help him out the most in that moment.
And he will gleefully contradict himself and not even care when it's pointed out.
Right. It's a pretty famous thing where the guy talks about how the anti-Semite delights in argument and delights in the use of words because they know they're using the words wrong and they don't care.
They're doing all of this to just antagonize and annoy you.
And they know that you are bound by the rules of reality and they are not.
And that's just how these people operate.
Understand the frustration, but I just, I can't be frustrated because I know that's what they're going to do.
And there's no reason for me that you, they can't disappoint me.
It's impossible.
There is no bottom and I know there's no bottom.
So when they do this shit, I'm just like, yeah, you're doing the thing I knew you were going to do.
There was never any doubt that this was going to go the way it's going.
I just think that the best way I can describe the shift in conspiracy theorists, and maybe I was one of those last holdovers from that unique golden era or something, but we have gone from the lone gunman to a lone gunman.
That's the image that has shifted.
The conspiracy theorist image was that of...
The TV show, The Lone Gunman, it was like Fox Mulder and his buddies.
They were these intrepid investigators and it didn't matter what the answer was, whether they liked it or not.
They got that answer and they had the evidence and all that.
It was great.
And now, when you think of conspiracy theories, you think of a lone wolf gunman coming into a school to shoot people up.
It's so radically different and changed and even our cultural image of it.
It's just, I don't...
Fuck the internet.
All this shit, I really, honestly, truly, I think it was the internet.
Well, I mean, I just don't think that there's any way around that.
And I feel your frustration.
I know people that get frustrated this way.
My answer is always just there is no bottom.
There's no way this can change.
And to get upset about it, to get stressed out over it.
I know, I know.
You're just hurting yourself to no good.
I know, I know.
To no good.
For me, you know how I'm always denigrating myself and I always think I'm below everyone else.
So to me, in my mind...
If I can get out of conspiracy theories, me, the weak little tiny, like mentally, emotionally fragile person, if I can get out, like, either the pull is much stronger than I can imagine and I have some superhuman power, which I don't.
I don't.
So that's what boggles my mind, is if I could just find that magical calculation of...
What factors were it that led me out and then I can cook that up in my magic lab and then chemtrail everybody with it and we're all good to go.
The problem I see with that is everybody gets in in their own way and people who get out, they all get out on their own.
There is no one way to do it.
There's no quick fix, unfortunately.
I know.
I really wish there was.
It's just, you know, it's like...
And I'm going through menopause, though.
Like, my emotions are a little out of whack and shit.
But it's just, for me, like, I really, like, feel this.
Like, these cave accident videos I've been watching, like, I can feel the claustrophobia, but I can't put myself in that situation because I'm not stupid enough to crawl in a tight space, okay?
These situations with these conspiracy theories and these fraudsters and stuff like that, I feel...
That pain of these people who believe, and some of these believers go on to become influencers.
There's like three different levels.
There's the cynical influencer who doesn't, you know, they're just the influencer.
Then there's the true believer who became an influencer, and then there's the true believer.
And you have different levels of damage.
I think that's one reason.
I love it when you tell your story because you were in the rabbit hole.
You got out.
And so it's real important.
It's great that you're sharing this so that other people can hear your story and maybe they can say, well, maybe I can pull my loved one out sometime or they can pull themselves out or whatever.
But yeah, I just think it's really important that you share your story whenever you can.
I'm just sorry.
I get, like, emotional about it sometimes.
It just, it's...
I think that helps because, you know, it feels more real.
You know, it feels human that way.
Well, I did just complete, like, my stage five class in crisis acting, so...
I can bleed on command.
I don't even need squids anymore.
All right, good.
We've hit cardboard level now.
Well, and that is a good example of how far reality has shifted.
There was a Vice News article about a Parkland survivor.
I don't know if they were actually one of the people who shot or in the rooms that were shot, but they were at the school that day.
They survived the shooting, and their father accuses them of being a crisis actor.
And as far-fetched as that may be, it does make sense.
There was an Auschwitz survivor who became a Holocaust denier.
There is a reason for this.
In these personal instances, like this father and the Auschwitz survivor, it makes sense because what happened to you or your loved one is so horrible that to you, to accuse your own child of being a crisis actor, that's easier than acknowledging that someone else's child went in there and almost made your child a victim.
Yeah, I think...
I just wanted to say that.
No, yeah, I think sometimes, again, with that guy that was talking about how the Matrix is mocking him for the death of his children and how he wanted to kill himself is just like...
I think this is pretty obviously you dealing with something else.
Things don't always manifest in a healthy way.
And you know what?
I can posit you a possible theory based on something that I actually saw when I was on the internet back when it was full dial-up.
I came across a fan-written script for a Terminator movie, and it was really, really good.
And some elements within that script...
Did actually make it into one of the Terminator sequels.
So there's a possibility that this person wrote some fan fiction online and Wachowski's sister saw it and it inspired something in them.
And then this guy is going through this, like, insane, like, quest to be acknowledged and it never happens and it never happens and it never happens and he loses his mind.
That's just, you know, that's like, because I came across the script and I actually saw it in, like, elements of it.
In one of the Terminator movies, like decades, like 10 years later, maybe.
Yeah, and I think this guy actually was kind of like a failed script writer.
So I think there was just a lot going on here, you know?
Yeah, and it can, and if you are trying to break into this stuff, and it's really, really hard now.
And you don't make it.
Maybe you publish your work online.
Someone steals it or gets inspired by it.
Or maybe he was a ghostwriter.
You know?
I don't know.
I just...
Because everyone's claimed that they wrote The Matrix and Terminator.
This has been a long-running urban legend that those movies were stolen from people.
And... I'm not kidding you.
I did see this one fan-made script years ago.
I don't doubt that, but that fan-made script would have been written after the original Terminator, so I think it's very much different to create a world than to play in the sandbox of a world that has already been created.
Yeah, but Matrix wasn't really that.
I mean, well, yeah, I guess it was.
That's a topic for another...
I mean, there were books written about that and doctoral theses, for Christ's sake.
Yeah, there's, like, old animes that kind of, like, match the Matrix and stuff.
It's not, like, high-level writing.
Ghost in the Shell?
Yeah. No diss to Matrix fans.
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying.
Yeah, no, but like, if you think like the Matrix is new and you haven't heard of Ghost in the Shell, like, bro.
But anyway.
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