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Feb. 17, 2025 - Adventures in HellwQrld

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Adventures in HellwQrld Presents 9/11 Part 2: Steph and Mike were pilled

This week we go over conspiracy theories around 9/11 and what sort of crazy stuff Steph and Mike got into. Yes the two of them were pilled at one point. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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	Hello, everybody.
	I am Mike Raines, a.k.a.
	Poker and Politics, and welcome to part two of our discussion about 9-11.
	And we're pretty sure Al-Qaeda did it, but maybe we'll get pilled.
	Maybe Alex Jones and the Loose Change people and all those other folks will set us straight.
	Get us all thinking the right things about this stuff.
	And part of the panel that will be discussing this is Chaley, a.k.a.
	Haley, a.k.a.
	Arizona Right Watch.
	Hello, everybody.
	Second 9-11 episode has hit the podcast.
	Zing.
	Boom.
	Zing.
	Boom.
	Boom.
	Yes.
	I need to go right up to the top of the soundboard to make sure I'm ready for anyone's attempted terrible jokes.
	Did Andy Card whisper that in your ear?
	Yes, as well he should have.
	Oh God, I was reading My Pet Goat as it happened.
	It was incredible.
	I remember, I just remember watching Fahrenheit 9-11 and like Michael Moore trying to make that sound so sinister.
	And he kept reading that book, that fucking prick.
	And I was like, Jesus, Michael, calm down.
	Dial it back a touch.
	But anyways.
	Eric, the Deep State Operative is also here.
	He's the Building 7 Operative today.
	Ah, yes, thank you.
	And you can't see it, but you can't see it, but I have a small child sitting on my shoulders right now as we do this podcast.
	What up, kiddo?
	Much like our real president.
	Yes, a real president.
	I loved all the people that are now doing the photos of Elon's kid at the Resolute desk being like JFK's kid.
	And it's like, yeah, that was the actual president's kid.
	It wasn't the president's weird friend bringing his kid into the Oval Office.
	So that when the press was like, yo, why are you ending cancer funding for America?
	He'd be like, why would you like to talk about that when I have an adorable child here?
	And they were like, oh shit, you're right!
	Let's talk about the cute kid!
	Fuck those people dying of not having cancer treatments.
	Who cares about them now?
	Because we have a cute kid to look at.
	Speaking of that Fahrenheit 9-11 thing, I love that.
	Part where what you were talking about where, you know, the guy whispers in his ear that a second plane has hit the tower.
	And then he slows the camera down so that you see Bush, like, looking off into the distance, you know, at, like, a thousand frames a second.
	And, like, you just need a, like, wistful music playing.
	And he's like, at that moment, I realized my life had changed forever.
	And he's talking about which of my friends screwed me.
	He's talking about some sort of W knows that someone's fucked him over or someone got one over on him.
	Maybe it's just terrorists who did this.
	How about that?
	And finally, joining our crew is, of course, the lady who was most pilled by 9-11.
	I'm second most pilled.
	I get the silver medal for this contest.
	It's Stephanie, the totally pilled lady who apparently helped Dick Cheney do 9-11.
	Because my previous title for her was a little too spicy.
	Yeah, and my previous title for myself was a little too spicy.
	So, hey, everybody!
	Hello!
	Hello, everybody.
	Yeah.
	So before we get into 9-11, we have to do a little current events because this is a QAnon podcast at heart.
	And we actually had Q himself fall out of the woodwork and declare, hey, everybody, I feel like doing some dumb shit.
	And so our boy, Ronnie Watts, Mr. Ron Watkins, your...
	You and I, we know him as Q, but some people call him Ron.
	And that guy posted a thing that he's making a bullshit fucking scam coin and that his bullshit scam coin, if it gets a market cap of half a billion dollars, he will reveal all the truth about the mysterious figure that influenced American politics for so very much.
	And he didn't actually specifically state Q, but everyone knows what he's talking about.
	I assumed it was Tiger King he was talking about.
	Oh yes, the Tiger King, yes.
	Ron and the Tiger King are deeply entwined.
	That's definitely something I would suggest.
	And so...
	That happened with Ron posting the thing, and a lot of the high priests of QAnon were really unhappy about this.
	Jordan Sather had a big pout, had a huge sulk on the internet.
	Other QAnon promoters were like, Ron, baby, honey, sweetie, snookums, what the fuck are you doing?
	Ixnay on the QBay.
	You can't be fucking outright stating that shit.
	Do whatever now.
	Oh, Ron, yeah.
	Well, Ron don't give a fuck.
	I mean, that...
	Live stream was apparently totally fucked up.
	Apparently Jim Watkins was on it and he was like, I'm broke!
	We need to do this coin to make me some money!
	And they were just...
	And Ron was saying he promises not to rug pull, which...
	That sounds like what someone...
	Oh, he promises!
	Yeah, oh, I'm totally going to rug pull you.
	You know, that's what Lucy promised Charlie Brown every time she held the football.
	Yeah, you're gonna kick the fucking football this time, I swear.
	I promise.
	Yeah, no shit.
	I don't know if you guys are, like, in the world of meme coins, but there's been so many, like, MAGA bros getting in on the crypto shit just to rug pull people, like that Ryan Fournier.
	He was, like, the Students for Trump guy back in the day, and he's done some shady shit before, but...
	When TikTok was going to be banned, he launched TikTok coin, but it was unaffiliated.
	But the wording he did was like, it's the official, unofficial coin.
	And he rug-pulled the fuck out of people.
	The QAnon shaman, Jake Chansley, is currently doing shaman coin.
	He's claiming that he's the good crypto guy, though.
	He's like, I will not rug-pull you.
	I will make you rich.
	So he's probably going to rug-pull pretty soon.
	Is it the vegan crypto?
	Yeah, speaking crypto.
	There was the, in anticipation for the JFK files being launched, there was the Oswald.
	Oswald coin, yep.
	Which was supposed to be like hyping that it was going to prove he was innocent.
	That was what they said on the coin.
	Trump launched a coin.
	It was Trump coin.
	And then Melania launched a coin that sunk Trump coin.
	The pastor.
	That spoke at Trump's inauguration and launched a meme coin literally minutes after his speech.
	It's just Griff City right now, and yeah, it's only natural that Ron would get on it.
	For one, I cannot picture Ron Watkins without thinking of that screenshot of him with his waifu from Neon Genesis Evangelion sitting next to him.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	His waifu, yeah.
	We should do Hellworld coin.
	Yes, yes, we should.
	And we should make it abundantly clear, this is a rug pull.
	If you give us money, we will actually take it from you.
	We should bring CoffeeZilla on the pod.
	And we should make sure that CoffeeZilla rates our coin worse than HawkToUs, worse than everybody else.
	Our coin is actual fraud.
	It's just fraud in a coin.
	That's what it'll actually be called.
	It'll be dollar sign fraud.
	Or dollar sign scam.
	And the logo will be Fry from a Futurama holding up money.
	Right, exactly.
	If you give us money, you are literally giving us money.
	You will not make anything out of this.
	It is a donation.
	And that would be our podcast where we launch the coin.
	We're just like, okay, everybody, you guys drive the price up, and then we are going to rug pull you so fucking hard, you have no idea.
	And just...
	People might think that we're being ironic, that we're kidding.
	We're like, no.
	This is just literally a smash and grab.
	Do people not realize that this cryptocurrency shit, even if you weren't old enough to have experienced it back then, look up Beanie Babies.
	You're doing the same fucking shit.
	Is this thing going to go up in value?
	You know what?
	Get a fucking life.
	Seriously, go collect Star Wars figures or some shit.
	They remind me of gold standard, guys.
	It's like...
	I was thinking that too, because there's a lot of crossover.
	These guys who want us to return to the gold standard, but at the same time are in love with crypto, which is crypto backed by gold and I'm not aware of this?
	What's going on?
	What it is, is the libertarian shit, and poker can probably speak better to this than I can, but they're just like everything else.
	Just like with, you know, the UFO community, just like with, like, the ghost community, everything, everything political or weird or wild, it got perverted over the years.
	And, you know, that's, I don't, sorry, my brain is starting to go already this time of day and I lost my train of thought.
	Usually that doesn't happen.
	It's not perverted over the years, my grins.
	That's me.
	My porn catalog is so much more twisted and perverted.
	Where we come one, we come all.
	Massive orgy porn.
	That's right.
	The police show everybody Mike's search history when they're getting them ready to show them frazzledrip.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, he has director's credits.
	Yes, you know I do.
	Oh, man.
	I just remember like Yee posting all that porn and then everyone just sort of looking at me like, man, I thought you had been into harder stuff than this.
	This is just kind of like really run-of-the-mill.
	This is just literally front page of Pornhub.
	Come on, Yi.
	Hit us with something kind of scandalous or a little shocking.
	What are we even doing here?
	This is just pee-pees going into hoo-hahs.
	I mean, I'm not even feeling a tickle.
	Come on.
	Speaking of Yi, I saw something about some ad during the Super Bowl and he switched the links so that...
	After it aired on the Super Bowl, people could buy swastika shirts.
	He was selling those beforehand, so days leading up to the Super Bowl, I'm unfortunately on the Yee stuff because he's kind of mingling with the Fuentes crowd and obviously did with Candace Owens.
	But anyway, he's been making a lot of merch lately that is like...
	Nazi references, Nazi symbols.
	And that black metal band that he's collaborating with.
	And he announced the swastika shirt right before the Super Bowl.
	And then during the Super Bowl, there was a Yeezy ad that was literally just him looking into his iPhone, being like, yo, I spent all the money on these grills, so this is my ad.
	Go to Yeezy.com.
	The shirt that was available was, like, at first all those bad shirts, but then he did exclusively the swastika shirt.
	I think Shopify removed him from their platform, but I think, yeah, that's something that's pretty wild that I think aired during the Super Bowl.
	I didn't watch the Super Bowl except for the halftime show, so I don't know what QAnon's saying about it.
	I don't know how the game went.
	I don't know anything.
	I just know about the Kanye thing.
	I mean, we could just make this a Super Bowl halftime baking episode if we would.
	Was there anything?
	Was there anything they even baked?
	So the Super Bowl halftime show was actually very interesting and controversial inside of QAnon because most people had their preformed This is a rapper.
	He's a black guy.
	So we're going to call this DEI. We're going to get as racist as we can up to the line and be mad about this.
	And those takes all came out with people being pissed about it and the standard Illuminati, satanic ritual shit.
	But a lot of QAnon promoters came out.
	To defend Kendrick Lamar, and they were talking about how it ended with Game Over, which is a big thing in QAnon.
	You had the red-white, and we had the American flag choreography, which when I saw it...
	I'm just sitting there thinking to myself, how are they going to bake this as an Illuminati fucking thing when it's literally red, white, and blue dancers that have now lined up to represent the American flag?
	This is as...
	They just don't understand art.
	They're like, it's the American flag.
	It means nothing but patriotism, right?
	Yeah, but...
	He's not saying something.
	Hush, you.
	Don't get into symbolism.
	It will be your downfall.
	But no, the point is that...
	A lot of the surface level of this presentation was very pro-America, very rah-rah, and that's the level of attention that QAnon gives to this kind of stuff.
	And then when Kendrick finally did They Not Like Us, that was all they needed to just make this 10 out of 10, no notes, because he did the whole thing calling Drake a pedophile, and that's what they're obsessed with, is talking about pedophiles.
	So the fact that they got to do that, the fact that they got to just have a guy on TV... Call a famous person a pedophile, and everyone rallied behind him and cheered him doing that.
	I mean, that was just, that was QAnon's greatest victory.
	Like, they've never been happier than to see a guy at the Super Bowl halftime show have 50,000 people shout the word pedophile in celebration as this guy is going after his rap beef enemy.
	So yeah, the racists and the satanic ritual people were going toe-to-toe with the patriots-in-full-control people.
	It was a big, big ordeal in the QAnon universe as to, was the Super Bowl halftime show good or bad?
	This was like the first actually good Super Bowl halftime show ever.
	Because patriots are now in full control, baby.
	I actually did see a long post on Twitter that was like, it started, is Kendrick Lamar a white hat?
	And it was really long, and I'm just like, I'm not reading all that.
	Like, sorry that happened to you, or congratulations kind of thing.
	But, yeah.
	So, Kendrick Lamar, one of the good ones?
	Yes, absolutely.
	It's funny, too, because before you said that, I was going to just shout, Kendrick Lamar, white hat confirmed.
	But I love the Game Over thing, too, because it's like, okay, you're at a major sporting event, a bunch of people form the words Game Over, and your first thought is, oh, this is obviously a QAnon reference, because what could Game Over possibly mean at a football game?
	They're talking about me!
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Because when you're a conspiracist, every problem looks like a theory.
	Any commercials get baked?
	I didn't even see a single commercial.
	No, I really didn't see any...
	QAnon really didn't dig into much beyond the halftime show and the fact that they were...
	Last year, they were very much the enemies of the Kansas City Chiefs because Taylor Swift is lip-coated and Travis Kelsey did Pfizer ads.
	So they were very much rooting for the Chiefs to lose.
	But the Eagles had...
	Like, they did not go to the White House if they won the bowl previously.
	And they'd already made the announcement that they were not going to go to the White House if they won this bowl.
	And Trump had basically come out and he was all about the Harrison Rutger, the kicker of the Chiefs is like a hard right lunatic.
	He's just an absolute piece of shit.
	And Patrick Mahomes' wife is huge MAGA. So there was a lot of...
	Now the Chiefs got right-coded.
	They got MAGA-coded.
	And there was some thought that Trump was hoping the Chiefs would win because he really wanted to stick at the Philly and he wanted to be there when the Chiefs three-peated.
	So Philly winning was kind of a fuck you to Trump for a lot of people and how they saw it, which was...
	Something that QAnon can't accept, so they didn't talk about it.
	They immediately just swept that under the rug.
	They didn't bake.
	I didn't see any commercials getting baked, really.
	The only commercial I got baked was the Lady Flag football commercial.
	Basically, it was a send-up of every 90s high school jock movie where the principal's a nerd.
	Everyone's making fun of him.
	And then the jock bros start talking shit to the new girl.
	And the new girl is like, I play football.
	And the jocks are like, girls don't play football.
	And they throw a football at her and she catches it.
	And then she throws it back to the jock and hits him in the balls.
	And then they cut to the girl.
	And now she's trying out for a flag football team.
	And she's making all these great catches.
	Busting her ass, showing that she can play flag football effectively.
	And then one of the jocks comes over to her and is like, that's it.
	One-on-one, you versus our best player, the Brad.
	And they bring out Brad, and then they go one-on-one, and she jukes him, and Brad misses her flag.
	And then...
	I had completely forgotten about this, but this guy in my Twitter feed got super upset about this commercial, and he refused to articulate anything, so I actually re-watched the commercial.
	And after she fakes out Brad, all the idiot jocks run at her, just Black Ninja style, where it's one at a time so she can beat them very easily.
	She ends up hitting one of them with the Saquon, which, if you're not a football fan, this happened in a game.
	This was not a silly preseason stunt or some hype video, but this running back for the Philadelphia Eagles, Saquon Barkley, was in a game, and he's spinning around.
	He's moving.
	He's faking people out.
	He knows there is a guy, his back is turned to this man, and he knows this man is there.
	And his only way to defeat this man is to leapfrog him with his back turned to him.
	And he jumped over the man, and the guy, like, whiffed him.
	And it was the most ridiculously athletic thing you've ever seen.
	If it happened in pro wrestling, you'd be like, oh, that was obviously fake.
	But no.
	He hit him with the most ridiculously authentic move in the history of football, and it was ridiculous.
	And it was on replays reels for like two weeks.
	They kept showing it.
	So the girl does the Saquon to one of the guys, and this guy on my Twitter feed was just like stroking out with rage because someone posted a thing and they were like, What should Hollywood stop doing in films?
	And this guy's answer was, having 130-pound women beat up 200-pound men.
	And I screen grabbed that and replied, that doesn't happen in movies without...
	Magic or fantasy being involved.
	The smaller woman beating up the bigger guy in a straight-up movie where we're just in the real world, that went away when Gina Carano and Ronda Rousey stopped getting movie roles because that was literally Ronda and Gina's...
	That was their thing, that they were legitimate MMA fighters.
	So when you put them in a movie, you have to have them beat up dudes to establish their toughness.
	And then this guy replied to me.
	He was like, they did it in that commercial in the Super Bowl.
	And I was just like, what do you mean?
	In what Super Bowl commercial did a woman with a 70-pound weight disadvantage beat up a guy?
	And he was like, the flag football commercial.
	And I said, she just sidestepped that guy.
	She juked him.
	And he's like, no, she did more than that.
	I'm so angry.
	Again, this wasn't even based in reality.
	It's a high school movie send-up.
	It's a commercial.
	It's not real life.
	It's a high school movie.
	It is not set in reality.
	You can set a commercial in reality if you want to.
	They didn't do that.
	They made it very obvious that this is every 90s high school movie you've ever seen.
	And our protagonist is the athletic girl and her antagonists are the clumsy idiot jock bros.
	And that's it.
	And these guys being unable to get her flags just broke this man.
	He's like, this woke fucking bullshit!
	I can't fucking stand it!
	It was like, oh my god, really?
	This is what elevated your blood pressure, was this totally inoffensive commercial that was literally just the NFL trying to twist the arms of high schools in America to make ladies' flag football a varsity sport.
	That's literally all they were doing.
	They were literally just saying, have girls' flag football in your high schools so that girls can have more athletic opportunities.
	Aren't these the same people?
	And I realize that a lot of these, like, you know, anti-woke warriors today were too young for this.
	But, like, these were the same type, the same class, the same, like, psychological profile people who, like, 20 years ago would have been bitching about political correctness.
	And now these are the people that get upset about every fucking thing.
	I mean, oh, Daddy, I want to get a Transformers action figure!
	No, it has the word trans in it!
	Like, you people are the best...
	Not you people, but these people.
	Not you people!
	What do you mean, you people?
	As a Transformers collector, I am highly offended by this conversation.
	They are...
	It's just an example, but they are the biggest pussy snowflakes.
	Absolutely.
	They have no...
	They're just such little pussies.
	They'll start a fight and then if they get beat up, they'll go running and cracking.
	Everything.
	Everything they do.
	They're just pussies.
	Everything offends them.
	Seeing a black person as a pilot offends them.
	Seeing...
	Like, one trans person in the entire state existing offends them.
	It's like, I need everything to be...
	And they call themselves alpha males while they're doing it.
	Yeah, yeah, like an alpha male who's crying so masculinely.
	I know.
	I've never seen anybody who whines more than these guys who say that America is too sissified.
	It's just ridiculous.
	Can I tell you my favorite sports fact?
	Go for it.
	Sports exist?
	Sports.
	Sports.
	The ball.
	You hit a ball, you score a ball.
	I don't know much about sports, but Mike informed me of something early when we started recording the other, is that the Yankees played the Diamondbacks in 2001, and everybody wanted the Yankees to win because America and everybody loved New York.
	And the Diamondbacks fucking won that World Series.
	And that's my favorite sports fact, is that the Diamondbacks won the 2001, what do you call it, World Cup?
	The World Series, oh my god.
	You want to hear something sad?
	The sports that I got into, and I haven't watched a game in years, and I still don't even really understand how the game is played completely.
	I decided I wanted to get into football and I saw a documentary about the Hillsborough disaster.
	So I was like, oh, this is my team because there's like a social justice action that comes along with being a Liverpool fan.
	So I was like, fuck the cops.
	Fuck the bureaucracy.
	I'm a Liverpool fan.
	But I haven't seen a game in like forever, but I guess they're doing pretty good.
	Yeah, I know nothing about sports, not even the game that I like.
	All right, we've been half an hour in.
	We should probably talk about 9-11, everybody's favorite topic, 9-11.
	You mean 9 and never?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, there's no reason for us to talk about it because it was all staged and fake.
	Right.
	I mean, we can do that, too.
	Yeah.
	Anyhow, 9-11.
	So we had talked about how the towers had fallen and what we were learning as we went along that day.
	And basically, kind of towards the end of that day for me is when I'd heard about the Pentagon getting hit.
	We'd heard about Flight 93 just crashing in a field.
	I mean, the internet kind of existed, but it really didn't, but it kind of did back then.
	Go ahead, Haley.
	Can I just say, I went down this rabbit hole a little bit, because some things I do remember about 9-11 are more like the internet around the days following 9-11, because I was obviously a child, so I was just like on new grounds, and there was so many, like...
	Day of, there was a tower defense type of game where it was like, stop the planes before it hits the tower or the tower falls.
	A lot of beat-up Bin Laden games.
	I showed you guys the Bad Dudes emulator that still works.
	Bad Dudes fights Bin Laden.
	And it gives you this like, hey, don't beat up on your Arab American brothers.
	Just take it out in this game.
	Lots of internet culture surrounding 9-11 because not that many people were on it too much at the time.
	But, interestingly enough, a lot of websites just kind of didn't work that day because so many people were trying to get on to look at the news that it kind of crashed a lot of websites.
	And CNN kind of like created a different viewing form on their website so people could see it.
	Stephanie, go ahead.
	I just wanted to add, I have, I can't give you the source.
	I took a picture.
	It was probably in a book or something I was reading on my iPad because I took a picture with my phone.
	A forum user named David Roscheck is the man who first suggested the controlled demolition theory, which gained huge traction online in the days following the attacks.
	Is it just me or did anyone else recognize that it wasn't the airplane impacts that blew up the World Trade Center?
	He wrote on a now defunct internet forum, his idea would go on to form the bedrock of much of the truther movement.
	So this motherfucker, David Roscheck, destroyed society.
	I think it's interesting, just like hours, hours after.
	Hours after he posted that.
	I'm sorry, go ahead.
	No, I just think it's interesting that, like, you know, the internet was kind of just becoming, like, a thing that everybody uses, like, within, like, those years.
	And, like, so I feel like 9-11 is just kind of part of internet culture.
	You know?
	But yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, it is.
	It really, it really, yeah.
	Oh, God, it's so dark.
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	Yeah, so...
	That kind of stuff was happening and you had conspiracy theories starting to crop up and people were thinking about that kind of stuff.
	And the main theory that I had heard and the main theory that I basically believed in that moment was that Flight 93 had been shot down by the government.
	I 100% was just like, oh yeah, they totally shot that plane down.
	This Hollywood bullshit about the fucking people overpowering the hijackers and taking control of the plane and the hijackers throwing it into the ground to stop it.
	That's the cover story for just, yeah, we sent them a plane, the plane shot it down, fuck them.
	But that's also a cynical reaction because that was my reaction too.
	That is like that...
	It's just a cynicism too where you're like, oh, people would...
	Because I thought that.
	I was like...
	Oh, there's no way a bunch of ordinary people would rise to the occasion.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	And the other thing I remember was the fact that it took George W. Bush forever to speak, that we just had to wait all fucking day.
	For them to get his ass into the White House and sedate him to finally address the nation and tell us that everything was going to be great.
	And I just remember walking around my neighborhood and I was just so weirded out and angry about everything that had happened.
	I was like, you know what?
	I really hope when this motherfucker speaks that he's just sitting there and he says, hey everybody!
	We tried to let you all have your own little countries and do your own little things, but you fucked it up.
	So guess what?
	America's just going to conquer the world now.
	Get over it.
	And I was just totally eye for an eye, fucking let's fuck everybody up kind of mentality.
	I was just so there because I was pissed.
	I just remember 9-11 being really weird for me in that moment.
	I remember having...
	This guy wasn't really a friend of mine.
	He was an internet acquaintance I knew.
	And I just was so emotional and angry about 9-11.
	And he's like, you didn't have anyone who died in 9-11?
	Why the fuck are you so bad in shape?
	And I was just talking to him.
	And he was like, if I was there, I would slap you in the face right now.
	And I was just like, fuck you, man.
	I'm allowed to be in my fields over this.
	You can't tell me how to react to 9-11.
	You don't know what's going on.
	That was just everything.
	And I just, I remember kind of being ambivalent about Bush's speech because I still hated the guy.
	And then, like, and then the next day I bought my Quran and started reading.
	So yeah, so that was, that was like kind of my full day and the events there.
	And I was already down the Primrose path of conspiracy when it came to Flight 93. So I was, I was rip-roaring, ready to be pilled.
	How far did your conspiracy theorism go around 9-11, though?
	Did you, like, fall into other conspiracies around 9-11, like?
	I just got into Bush doing it.
	It was really, that was really just it.
	I was, like, bombs in Bush.
	That was basically, that was where I got and where I ended.
	Because I just...
	You didn't go as far as, like, no plain truther or anything like that?
	The thing is, I never really got into a lot of stuff.
	That's what's really interesting to me, is thinking about how I felt then, and to where conspiracy theories are now.
	I feel like I was very much a lone wolf, that I just sort of pilled myself, and I was just where I was.
	I didn't have a community.
	I wasn't talking to other 9-11 truthers.
	I wasn't engaged.
	I wasn't, like, Bush did it.
	Or anything on some, like, subreddit or some other forum.
	Or Flight 93 is bullshit or anything like that.
	I was just, like, on the proto-internet, really not getting a lot of information.
	But I was...
	And what I think really pilled the shit out of me was the Iraq War.
	Because I just had, like, friends who were rational, normal, coherent people.
	That were telling me, well, you know, Iraq's got WMADs, we gotta go in.
	I'm like, they don't fucking have WMADs!
	This is bullshit!
	How the fuck can you believe them?
	I mean, I would have been to the left of Howard Dean.
	I should have run for president in 2004. Because, fucking God, was I over Bush and his bullshit.
	I was just, there are no WMDs.
	He just wants to do this because he fucking wants to do it.
	This war is going to be a fucking train wreck.
	It's going to suck.
	This is what I mean, you judge all hearts as you judge your own, so this is why I always say this, but it's true for me, and I think it's true for most people, is that conspiracy theories help you confirm your priors.
	And because I really fucking hated Bush, and I knew the Iraq War was bullshit, it was really not hard for me to take that next step to, oh yeah, and he also did 9-11.
	I mean, that was just fucking icing on my cake because I knew he was starting a war that he had no justification for.
	I knew he was going to kill unbelievable quantities of people.
	Just, they went after my daddy or whatever the fuck he was saying.
	And it was just that.
	It was just that.
	And that's the thing that now I... Caution myself about this.
	I don't talk about this very often, but it's a thing where, like, every now and then someone will post a fake tweet from Trump saying some horrible shit, and I now know my immediate reaction to that is, fact check that.
	Fact check that immediately.
	When you see something that confirms your priors, and it confirms your priors in a way that is so overpowering that it makes you the rightest person in the world, it's probably bullshit.
	It's probably someone blowing smoke up your ass.
	You need to fucking figure that out real quick and be like, wait, no, no, no, no.
	This isn't real.
	This isn't real.
	And that's the way it is.
	That's the way it is most times.
	So, yeah.
	And that's actually a good message because, you know, you always see these people say, well, I never fall for conspiracy theory.
	Oh, hey, look at this picture that I found of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein with a bunch of scantily clad girls.
	And it's like, okay, that picture's fake.
	Well, how do you know it's fake?
	Jeffrey Epstein doesn't have legs.
	Right, exactly.
	And thank you for saying that because I saw an article a few days ago that an MIT computer simulation estimated society's collapse in the year 2040. And I was like, yeah, that sounds about right.
	And I didn't look into it further.
	So right after you said that, I just quick Googled it.
	And yeah, there were several studies that estimate society's collapse in 2040. Thank you.
	Now I know that the world's going to end soon.
	It's going to end sooner than that.
	17 years.
	Q destroyed us.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, so...
	That was where I was, and I've told this story to basically every reporter who's stupid enough to talk to me.
	But then one day, Mike Raines, pilled asshole, was just talking to my fellow liberal friend.
	I think Bush had won re-election at this point, and I'm pretty mad about that.
	And I just said to that guy, I was like, eh, he fucking did 9-11, this piece of shit, blah, blah, blah.
	And he replied to me, he's like, no, he didn't.
	What the fuck are you talking about?
	And it really, it just hit me so weird.
	I'm like, don't all liberals think Bush did 9-11?
	What do you mean he didn't do it?
	And that just frazzled me.
	And then I had to think about shit.
	And I was like, man, maybe I'm wrong.
	Wouldn't that be weird?
	Holy fuck.
	And then I started getting into 9-11 a little bit more.
	And that's the thing.
	That's the thing that's so aggravating about all of this shit, is that when you believe in conspiracy theories, you are believing in a surface-level view of the story that you are dealing with.
	You are not believing in a story that has all the facts and evidence around that story inside of it.
	Anything you look into...
	Where, like, there's a quote-unquote the official government story and the conspiracy theory.
	When you actually dig into the story, oh, my God, does the government's official story hold so much more weight.
	And it's infuriating to people because they're like, oh, the government lies about fucking everything.
	And you just said the WMD thing, but the WMD thing was bullshit, and we know it's bullshit, and it was acknowledged as bullshit.
	But guess what?
	Fucking Oswald killing Kennedy is not bullshit.
	We've dug into it.
	And now we get this fucking clown from the Trump Congress coming out being like, I think there were two shooters.
	No, no.
	Stop lying.
	Stop lying, lady.
	God, I want to use...
	On a Pollyanna.
	Oh, God.
	I had to make a...
	I had to make like a...
	DC 20 fucking wisdom check to not use a gendered slur against her.
	I so just wanted to lash out at her.
	Onomatopoeia?
	She's turning point.
	She's one of the turning point people.
	Does she look how she sounds?
	She's very pretty.
	Her name sounds like Onomatopoeia.
	Those are like Anna Paulina Luna.
	I remember people were posting pictures trying to shame her because they found some pictures of her wearing booty shorts that said Trump from before she ran for Congress.
	And she was all like...
	Hey, I don't care.
	And she was like, hey, are you going to body shame me?
	And I'm like, okay, I can't say this woman, but she's got a point.
	Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
	Hey, if the booty looks nice, I don't care what's written on it.
	I just like looking at it.
	But she's also pilled as fuck, so she's...
	Well, yeah.
	Yeah, she's a grade-A nutjob, this one.
	Beautiful demon, but unfortunately a demon.
	Yes.
	Yeah, the worst kind, because they reel you in with their appearance.
	Oh, she's a siren!
	Yeah.
	She's what MAGA claims AOC is.
	A siren.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, 9-11.
	Chaley's just going to be like, yeah, I got a burrito.
	I was pretty bummed out.
	Smoked a little weed.
	Fell asleep.
	Woke up.
	World kind of still sucked.
	Yeah, that was my 9-11.
	Over to you, Eric.
	And I'm just going to be like, fuck.
	Okay, great.
	That's what I keep trying to think about because we're talking about getting pilled and stuff.
	The closest I ever got to being pilled on a conspiracy theory was that I refused to believe that Kurt Cobain took his own life.
	I was sure that somebody broke into his house and did it and then added a couple lines to his letter to make it look like a suicide note.
	Did you see the documentary?
	It was kind of like that, what you guys talk about, by being shocked awake.
	I got my hands on free passes to this documentary called Kurt and Courtney.
	And I think it's the only time in my life I've ever been to a documentary in a movie theater, but I went down to Piper's Alley, and I'm watching it, and the whole time this guy, he's trying to build this case that even if Courtney Love didn't pull the trigger, she was complicit in what happened to him.
	Like, if nothing else, she drove him to suicide.
	There's this part where the guy is interviewing her father, Courtney Love's father, who's a former Seattle cop, who wrote two books on how he thinks his daughter is responsible for it.
	And I'm listening to this, and in the back of my head, I'm like, okay, maybe he did take his own life, but maybe she is still responsible for it.
	And it was kind of like, that was like, it's like, okay, I can't accept that he went crazy on heroin and blew his head off, but this is like...
	This is kind of like an entryway to getting me off the conspiracy theory rampage that I'm on.
	And I just want to...
	One of the people, like, one of the biggest...
	I don't know if he's the biggest or whatever, but one of the big proponents of the Kirk Courtney...
	He was featured in a documentary called Soaked in Bleach, and he's a private investigator.
	And I want to warn people, there are some good ones out there, but be very careful with what private investigators say because these are people who are often given cases.
	They're professionals, don't get me wrong, but they are given cases that cops could not solve.
	So in order to solve those cases, Their job is to connect every fucking pattern.
	So you are going to see a huge percentage of private detectives that are fucking conspiracy theorists because that's basically their fucking job.
	So use caution with a private detective.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Eric, were you not a 9-11 conspiracy guy?
	No, I pretty much accepted the official story from day one.
	I do remember a friend of mine trying to pill me on it.
	He was showing me one of the very first drafts of Loose Change, and it was specifically the part with the plane that hit the Pentagon.
	And he's showing me the clips, and he's like, look, and he's pointing out diagrams.
	He's like, look, you don't see any damage from the wings on it.
	I'm like, well, I mean...
	Like, it's an airplane.
	Did you think it was going to leave an airplane-shaped hole in the Pentagon when it hit?
	I mean, this isn't a cartoon.
	The wings probably sheared clean off as soon as they hit the building.
	Also, wasn't it falling apart or something already?
	At a certain velocity, if you are maintaining over, I think, 400 miles an hour, under, I think, 20,000 feet.
	Don't quote me on this.
	You can reach a terminal velocity where the airplane starts to fall apart.
	Yeah, because I thought there was pieces falling off before it even hit.
	At the Pentagon, it sheared off some light poles.
	I think what you're thinking of is they found debris like...
	Like, they found debris, like, miles away just because the plane pretty much exploded when it hit the Pentagon.
	So, I mean, that's what you heard.
	Yeah, and in Shanksville, one of the things that conspiracy theorists say is, how did they find debris two miles away?
	Two miles away per road.
	When you're looking at Google Maps, you're, you know, these people are looking at it by roads.
	It's two miles by the crow flies, you know, so it's like...
	You know, it's less distance than that as the crow flies.
	You know what I mean?
	But if you're taking roads to actually get to these locations, it is two miles.
	So they're just being idiots again with this kind of shit.
	And you can look at...
	There are maps of debris fields.
	They painstakingly did debris maps and they did maps of where bodies were found and stuff like that.
	All of the evidence is there that the building collapsed, you know?
	I mean, sorry.
	I don't know if we talked about it in the last episode, but, you know, even today I hear people talk about Building 7, like, pretty confidently.
	Like, okay, I'm not a 9-11 conspiracy theorist, but Building 7, definitely something shady.
	And it's like, I went back and watched so much...
	Like, home video type footage that people just filmed that day that has been in documentaries.
	Some has just been, like, archived.
	But it's like, that building was pretty fucking fucked up.
	There's even, like, footage of the fires and, like, people yelling, like, the water's not working.
	You know?
	It's just funny that, like, if you actually do just, like, kind of the most basic research, you can kind of see just...
	Some of the common conspiracy theories just answered for you.
	One of the things that really infuriated me, and I think, I'm pretty sure, because this is a very famous clip, I've seen it in multiple conspiracy documentaries.
	I'm pretty sure they used it in every edition of Loose Change.
	When they talk about Building 7, they show you this footage of these firefighters standing near the building.
	And the firefighter points at Building 7 and he says, see that building, guys?
	Keep your eyes on it.
	That building's coming down.
	That's what they show you, that clip.
	That specific portion of that clip, the entire clip.
	And I came across the entire clip in an actual documentary.
	The entire clip is of the building.
	The building does not look healthy.
	You hear a groan.
	You hear a crack.
	Really, really loud.
	You hear a firefighter say, what was that?
	Then you see the firefighter say, keep your eyes on that building, it's coming down.
	They edited that video down to that one portion and make it look like it was a controlled demolition thing.
	And when I discovered that, when I discovered that there was more to that clip, I was filled with it.
	Fury.
	I was so fucking angry.
	These aren't just mistakes that they're making.
	These are purposeful lies.
	And that's what you need to know.
	Some conspiracy theorists are making mistakes when they tell you to believe this or that.
	This shit is not.
	Beware.
	Right, they're pushing an agenda.
	That's one of the main things that...
	Conspiracy theorists use in order to make you buy into their bullshit is they will present themselves as truth seekers.
	They're just like, I'm here just to get to the bottom of what's going on.
	I'm just here to find out what the bad people aren't telling you.
	I'm just asking questions.
	I'm just asking questions.
	That's a great one.
	That is one of their favorite things to say.
	And then when they start doing stuff like what Stephanie just said about selectively editing stuff to make it look worse, They never show you the sides of Building 7 that were massively damaged by all the falling debris.
	They never show you the wide angle of one of the towers collapsing and just mountains and mountains and mountains of shit just falling on Building 7. Just this massive...
	Just minutes-long shower of debris just flying into that building and smashing it and just absolutely destroying that side of the building and setting the building on fire and shredding the building sprinkler system so that the fire is uncontrollable.
	They just show you the side of the building that looks good.
	Then they show you the owner of the World Trade Center in his video where he says, I told him to pull it.
	And then they tell you that pulling it is a sign for controlled demolition, which, how?
	Pulling, it is an actual thing.
	It's not a term that's commonly used, but it requires cables.
	It requires pulleys and cables and huge equipment in order to actually pull it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Also, what was Building 7 hiding?
	What was it hiding?
	What did it know?
	The Secret Service.
	The Secret Service had offices in Building 7, so George Bush tried to kill his own guys, I guess.
	Wasn't there some Nisara thing going on with Building 7 that people claim?
	Yes.
	Building 7 is...
	That's one of the main comments about it, is that...
	Building 7 had in it the paperwork to complete the Nisera funds that were going to be distributed to all Americans to make us all super rich and prosperous and glorious.
	And somehow, someway, by blowing up Building 7, they prevented Nasirah from being authorized, even though Clinton had signed Nasirah into law a year previously.
	And so there's that, and then there's talk about basically every MacGuffin you've ever thought about, like the Epstein list, the truth about JFK, any of that.
	Any bad thing you could imagine that the bad guys were trying to hide from us?
	Yeah, there was a bit of HARP substation in Building 7. Right, exactly.
	It's just all that kind of stuff.
	So, was the World Trade Center just like, it was just like a casualty in the greater mission that was Building 7?
	Is that...
	Yeah, basically.
	That's the whole idea.
	Yeah, some of them do claim that Building 7 was the real target.
	And, you know, the North and South Tower, that was David Blaine saying, look over here while I perform the trick over here.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Any conspiracies about the Marriott that got taken out, too?
	Or is it just...
	Do we just ignore that?
	No?
	No.
	Totally ignore.
	Wasn't there some chapel that wasn't destroyed even though everything around it was?
	I think I remember something about that.
	I think that's the chapel that they took Father Michael Judge's body to, the fallen firefighter.
	I think that was, was it St. Peter's Cathedral or something?
	I think it was an Episcopal church, so it could have been that, yeah.
	All right, Stephanie, talk about it.
	Talk about your pilling, your 9-11 pilling.
	Well, I was one of the people on the first day, I was like, oh, that looked like controlled demolition.
	But I went back and forth, you know, flipping and flopping.
	I got David Icke's book, Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster.
	And when I was out in Cincinnati in 2005, my first...
	Access to high-speed internet.
	I was using SoulSeq, and I was like, what was one of the documentaries?
	Mohammed Atta and the Flying Circus was one of the names of it.
	I don't know if I ever even watched it, but I was just downloading all these crazy 9-11 things and all these books and shit.
	Credo Mutwa, David Icke, Alex Jones, all this crazy shit.
	Then, like, you know, just going back and forth, kind of, I was thinking in the back of my mind that it was kind of an inside job.
	And then, like, around, like, 2014, when I saw Zeitgeist, and I decided to dive back into it.
	And then I reached the end of controlled demolition, and that's when I came across September Clues.
	And it was like...
	What if there were no planes at all in 9-11?
	And I was already ready to believe that 93 was fake and that the Pentagon was a missile.
	That's how they get you.
	They don't just totally no-plane pill you.
	They're like, oh, the Pentagon, oh, 93. And then they work their way into the darker stuff.
	And I was an idiot.
	Who lacked critical thinking skills because I thought I possessed great critical thinking skills.
	So, and that's Dunning-Kruger effect, folks.
	So, I call it the nightmare on Dunning-Kruger Street.
	It's not as good as you remember.
	So, you know, I just, I was like, there's no way that...
	The planes in New York City were fake.
	There's no fucking way.
	And I watched it, and I was like, oh, I think those planes were fake.
	And then I saw that they were talking about victims that nobody died on 9-11.
	And I was like, wow, that's ridiculous, because I did an obit for Colleen Sapinski, who worked at, I think it was Marsh McLennan, I think?
	Or Sanders.
	Neil Sanders, I think she worked for.
	So I knew that at least she was a real person, and so I had to assume that others were real.
	I didn't use the same logic for Sandy Hook, though, ironically.
	You know, because those people had obits, too, so I should have used that same logic, but I didn't.
	And I start to believe that none of those planes existed, and I didn't realize it at the time, but...
	I was denying the lives and deaths of all those people.
	And when I was doing my full-time house cleaning service, I was in Milpitas for some clients, and I stopped to get some cigarettes.
	There was a homeless girl.
	I bought her a pack of yellow American spirits.
	And we were talking, and poker knows how this works.
	Because it was a conspiracy theorist, somehow we started talking about 9-11.
	And she told me that she had a friend who was being transported by an air marshal, like a friend that was arrested or something and died on one of the planes.
	And I looked her right in the eye and I said there were no planes that day.
	And I don't know how I did that.
	And to this day, that still upsets me.
	Because...
	I should have been punched for that.
	She would have been well within her right to do so, and I wish she would have.
	I deny the existence of those people.
	That's what you do with no planes.
	If you believe no planes, if you believe school shootings are fake, you're no better than a Holocaust denier.
	And that's the opinion from someone who used to think like that.
	I'm sorry for getting choked up.
	No, it's good for people to hear it.
	It's damaging.
	You are denying.
	I actually had today, when we were saying, hey, the pod's out, I put out a link to it.
	One guy commented to me today.
	He said, thank you for putting all your personal stories in there.
	He really liked hearing us talking about our experiences with it.
	So I'm sure people out there are glad to hear what you're saying right now, Steph.
	Also, just a lot of people have family that are wrapped in conspiracy, and I think it's good to just kind of hear how people kind of fall into that and realize that there is hope to kind of pull out of that.
	Because I totally agree with you on the, like, it is denying their debt.
	I personally get incredibly offended when my state senator does false flag shit, because I'm like...
	Do people not realize that she's literally saying, like, these people didn't die?
	Like, that's incredibly offensive as a politician, in my opinion.
	And, like, you're just a human.
	You know, we live in America.
	I said this last time.
	We don't deal with tragedy well.
	You know, PTSD is, like, a real thing, including, like, nationwide PTSD, which I think 9-11 was kind of that kind of event.
	And, you know, it's like not everybody handles things well, but you are making up for it, and that is good, and I think it's important to tell that story because other people can also...
	I mean, we know people that are now...
	We're in very extreme violent hate groups that now are trying to, you know, amend what they did and realize that they were wrong.
	And I used to think that, like, neo-Nazis couldn't do that because I fucking hate Nazis.
	But there are people that manage to fall out of this thinking, and it is possible to de-radicalize from being a conspiracy theorist or a far-right extremist.
	Stephanie is a good example as far as the conspiracy theorist stuff.
	And I'm a fucking idiot.
	I think it's great that you come out and say this stuff, because like Haley was saying, people need to know, yes.
	You know, your loved one can come out of the rabbit hole someday.
	Yeah, and I'm hoping that maybe, because I still have the patternicity that a conspiracy theorist has, but I've learned, I've trained myself how to use it in reality.
	So what I do is I look for patterns, and I kind of do a little analysis, like all these traits that conspiracy theorists seem to have in common.
	And I keep hoping, like, some and all the traits that the people who got out had in common.
	Like, one thing that Poker and I had in common was that we weren't really, like, you know, we might have, like, checked out online stuff, but we didn't really interact as much with other conspiracies.
	That's a common factor.
	I know Erica was actually, like, deeply involved with some of the online QAnon stuff with, like, a big promoter.
	So her exit...
	Hers is even more unique because she was in a group and she actually had to pull out of that.
	But the one factor that I see in everyone that gets out is empathy.
	Like there is a level and I mean everyone has empathy to some small degree but I mean there is this sense of oh I realized I was hurting other people and myself by believing this stuff.
	And I realized that by believing this stuff, I was putting myself first.
	Because when you're paranoid, you also exhibit traits of narcissism.
	And I've been, you know, just the stuff that I've empirically experienced and seen so much.
	Of how conspiracy theories manifest in human beings.
	Personality disorders.
	You see, I'm not saying that it creates a personality disorder.
	I'm not an expert on that stuff, but you see symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder.
	You see symptoms of borderline personality disorder, which I was misdiagnosed with at age 14. And those symptoms exploded during huge...
	During my bigger stages of, like, conspiracy addiction.
	And I was actually talking to a therapist I met at the Mutter Museum in Philadelphia when we were there on vacation, and she was like, I was like, so many of these things manifest as personality disorders.
	Do you think that dialectical behavioral therapy could actually help pull people out of conspiracy theories?
	And she's like, you know, that's...
	That is a really fucking interesting idea.
	And that is something that I... But again, conspiracy theories do work the same way as personality disorders in that the nature of the disorder itself prevents you from getting the help you need.
	That's why Alex Jones will never go to therapy because he is an actual narcissist.
	And again, I'm not saying conspiracy theories cause personality disorders.
	I don't know that.
	But there are manifestations of symptoms, and empathy is one of the things that sucks for me.
	And finding a way to cling back to that empathy or to hold on to some small shred of it, that seems to be the common factor.
	And with my friend Noelle's documentary, The Conspiracist, of the main women in that thing, Tammy is the one who is always the most gentle to Noelle.
	She's out of prison, you know, she was pardoned and all that.
	After Trump got into office, they had a conversation and Tammy was very gentle and very kind.
	And I think more than any of the other women, Tammy, because of that empathy, holds the most hope for getting pulled out.
	So I think if you have a loved one in this, I don't mean to go on a tangent, but...
	You know, one of the factors to look for is empathy.
	If you can salvage that empathy, if you can help them build that empathy, I think that will help pull them out.
	Once you have that empathy, you can't be a conspiracy theorist anymore.
	You can't.
	Question.
	What?
	Okay, so you were...
	Planes aren't real.
	Did you think, like, it was all a hologram?
	Did you think it was, like, CGI on the TV? CGI on the TV? I kind of bought into the Simon Shack September clues.
	I didn't believe that they were, like, holograms because, like, you know, even a conspiracy theorist has some level of skepticism and they're like, well, where would you put the cameras?
	You know?
	I have heard some...
	Hologram believers were like, if you look carefully, you can see the plane flicker right before it hits the tower.
	Yep.
	That's called light.
	Right.
	And there's another conspiracy theory.
	Stephanie and Chaley have brought this up that this is absolute bullshit because there are so many different videos of the second plane hitting the World Trade Center.
	But there was a conspiracy theory that stated that basically after the first plane hit the first tower, that the Illuminati basically took control of the television stations and the networks.
	And that the second plane hitting the second tower...
	Fade to black.
	Yeah, that sounds right.
	Yeah, that's what Simon labeled that scene as, fade to black.
	And Simon never came out and specifically said it was the Illuminati, but it was like, this is when the television feed was switched.
	Right.
	Well, I mean, if this guy's a hardcore enough conspiracy theorist, he would have cut straight to the chase and said Mossad.
	Well, he also denies the Holocaust and gravity.
	Of course he does!
	And gravity!
	It's only a theory.
	Yeah, gravity's just a theory.
	Oh, and I found the best thing.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	I actually had a friend who...
	If you dared to talk to him too long, he would explain to you how he had a theory of gravity that worked better than the current theory of gravity.
	He was...
	I'm not even kidding.
	The guy was just like, yeah, I got a theory about gravity.
	It makes a lot more sense than what they're telling us right now.
	And he was...
	The thing about that guy was he was one of these people that is...
	I always talk about that conspiracy theories don't just prey upon stupid people, that smart people can get into them as well.
	And he was one of those guys.
	He was a really smart dude.
	I met him through playing Magic the Gathering, and basically, for the longest time, if I saw that guy at a Magic tournament, he was gonna...
	Like, win the tournament or place very highly in the tournament.
	He was very thoughtful, very meticulous.
	He played...
	Magic is a very skill-intensive game.
	There was luck involved, definitely, but there's a lot of skill involved.
	And that dude was on point.
	And he very much influenced me.
	I went through a hat phase because of that guy, because he wore a hat.
	So I was like, the cool, smart, magic-playing guy wears a hat.
	I'm going to wear a hat.
	And then smash cut to many years later, I was running a poker game at my house, and I had paid everybody else out, and I handed him his money, and he was up.
	He had doubled or more than doubled his money, and that was what was in my hand.
	And I was like, here you go, buddy.
	You get the rest.
	And he goes, I don't get the rest.
	I get what's in front of me, and he's counting his chips.
	And I was like, well, this is what you have.
	This is what's left in the box.
	And he's like, well, I got to count my chips to see if it's right with what's in the box.
	Because if what you give me in the box is light from what you gave me, what I have in front of me, I'm going to have to kill you.
	And he just, like, I really just think that, like, in his mind, it was kind of like a jape.
	It was just like a kind of like a funny thing.
	The dude never spoke with any, like, his inflection was always very flat and always very monotone.
	So when he said that to me, it just, like, it fucked me up.
	It hit me so weird that this dude was just so casually taking his big win on poker night and then just being like, oh, yeah, and by the way, if, like, you're $20 short of my money in our fucking penny and e-poker game, I'm going to blow your head off.
	And I had to talk to his friend and tell him, yeah, he's not allowed to play here anymore.
	Because I don't cotton to people randomly telling me that my life will be ended if they're slightly short on money after the Wednesday night $50 poker game goes awry.
	It was just like, oh my god.
	And as time has gone along, that guy, from what I've been told from my friend who knew that guy, that guy has gone off the rails more and more, which is not surprising at all.
	But yeah.
	Yeah.
	Just that kind of craziness.
	People, like, you get into this stuff, and the main thing that I always find about these conspiracy theories, Stephanie talked about the lack of empathy, how you drain empathy from yourself.
	And the other thing that you do is you start just...
	You're posting a ton of shit in the group chat and everybody is muted and laughing while you, the host of the show, is trying to talk and carry a point across, but you really can't do it because you're just looking at three gibbering, laughing faces as more and more insanity just scrolls across your feed.
	It's magical.
	It's enchanting even.
	Love you, Mike.
	We're just trying to break you, that's all.
	That's fine.
	It's possible.
	You probably could have.
	But the thing that it does do for you is it just gives you all this dopamine about how smart you are, how savvy you are, how you know better than everybody else.
	You're the clever boy, and everybody else is just a dumb fucking moron who doesn't get it.
	They don't see the hidden truth the way you do, Mr. Smarty Smarts.
	That is so intoxicating.
	It's such a powerful feeling to know that you walk into a room and I'm smarter than all these other fucking morons.
	And you see it in QAnon.
	Every day, I scroll through all these people's feeds, and there's one post where someone says something to the effect of, my family when someone brings up this thing near me, and they all know that I'm going to flip out, or me promising not to be political at our family's cookout.
	And it's just that kind of shit.
	You're talking about Titanic?
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's just this kind of thing where it's just...
	I'm going to walk in, and my normie wife's normie family is going to be just having a good time, and they're going to see me.
	They're going to be like, oh, no, it's the fucking QAnon MAGA husband of our poor daughter or sister, and hopefully he'll behave tonight.
	And then you're just like, no, I'm not!
	I'm going off the rails because I'm smarter than you dum-dums, and you need to know the truth, Mr. and Mrs. Stupid Stupids.
	I mean, everyone has a drunk old story from Thanksgiving now.
	It used to be some kind of weird stereotype that existed in rarity, but now everyone has a fucking insane relative at Thanksgiving.
	Yeah.
	Can I ask everybody?
	No.
	Because we would talk forever about 9-11 conspiracies, but can everybody give an example of one they remember that's especially weird or they're stuck with you?
	Or something?
	The 9-11 conspiracies, you mean?
	Yeah.
	Well, Shelby and I just streamed a few weeks ago about Dr. Judy Wood.
	And that was one that I was like, he's full of shit.
	Like, I watched some of her stuff, but even as a conspiracy theorist, I was like, I don't...
	I mean, you're making up words.
	You're making up words.
	I mean, and it's just, yeah, that was one for me.
	And the victims, the one with where Simon claims that all of the 9-11 victims were fake, I was like, oh, wow, this is...
	You know, like, and Simon claiming, you know, I could buy CGI planes, but I couldn't buy CGI people.
	And the one thing that prevented me from doing that was having done one of the obits.
	But one of the more ridiculous ones, that just, the bumble planes.
	I sent you guys the thing about the bumble planes where, like, like...
	The one plane actually was switched with another one.
	Then all of the people from all the planes boarded on Flight 93 and then that one was purposely crashed.
	I'm like, what the fuck?
	That one I didn't hear until a few years ago when I obviously wasn't a conspiracy theorist, but that one's great.
	And another one on that 9-11 crash test website where the guy's like, I think those were real people in the buildings, but they were hired by the government to stand there.
	I'm like, How much money would you have to pay someone to put themselves in that line of danger?
	You know what I mean?
	That's like, do this and I'll get your daughter's cancer treatment for you kind of money.
	And another one was like one of the pictures, which by the way, remember, this was 2001, okay?
	2001 photography, all right?
	Some people still have to drop off their camera rolls to be processed, okay?
	And they close in on one of the window people.
	Again, 2001 photography.
	And with any photography, especially 2001, the closer you zoom in, the more pixelated and blurred things get.
	And the woman who had posted this on some truth or website or whatever was like, look, this looks like a woman holding a baby.
	Therefore, this isn't a real person because there were no babies in the office that day.
	Well, guess what?
	One of the other pictures of some of the window people, there's a guy who's, like, standing half outside the window, and it almost looks like he's holding an AR-15 and aiming it at, you know, that's how picture, you know, what do you get?
	I'm surprised someone didn't point that out, like, you know?
	Conspiracy theory.
	But that's the logic that, like, the conspiracy theorists aren't...
	Right anymore.
	They used to be people who were smart and wanted the truth no matter what it was.
	And now it's just like, oh, I have no knowledge of photography.
	I'm going to zoom in on this photo.
	It looks like a woman holding a baby.
	There were no babies in the building that day.
	Therefore, fate.
	What kind of...
	Not even I could be that fucking stupid at my dumbass.
	And, you know...
	It just...
	Like Poker said, you don't have to be stupid to buy this stuff, but it sure helps, man.
	It really does help.
	Well, I think the main thing is that being stupid helps for being incredulous, but at the same time, even if you're smart, you're going to work your way into resolving it in your favor at the end because you make it part of your identity.
	I mean, I was such a 9-11 truther, Kennedy, CIA guy that it was hard.
	It was hard to see the other side of that shit and be like, oh, maybe I fucked this up.
	I remember my conspiracy theory that I remember was people talked about how one of the planes, like basically the story that I heard was that everyone on all the planes basically got taken.
	Two hangers and were just like deborted.
	And they didn't tell you if they killed them or not or what they did, but basically the planes weren't crashed.
	And that was just the idea.
	I remember one of the planes like landed in Cleveland and they just put them in a hangar and they took all the people off the plane.
	And it's just that kind of really silly bullshit.
	Where you just keep making the story bigger and bigger.
	I've talked about this before, about conspiracy theory accelerationism.
	That you just can't stop with the conspiracy theory.
	It has to get bigger, bolder, better.
	I mean, JFK started with...
	The Warren Commission said it was three shots.
	Then the conspiracy theorist said it was four shots.
	By the time we got to the movie JFK, it was six shots.
	In the movie Richmond's Trick, somewhere between 10 and 16 shots are fired at President Kennedy's limo.
	The Rob Reiner podcast makes it seem like people are popping shots in every fucking window that was available.
	Everyone lining up to take a shot?
	The thing about the Reiner cast is that he was fucking gutless, which will always make me really mad.
	Because if you're going to do this shit, you have to Give your shooting sequence.
	Give the location of your shooters and tell us what damage each shot did.
	And all he did was say that a shot from the grassy and old called Kennedy's throat wound and a shot from the overpass hit Kennedy's head and killed him.
	He never explained.
	He never did a shot-by-shot sequence, which you have to.
	If you're doing this shit, you have to show your work.
	And he just didn't.
	He just said...
	Chucky the typewriter killed the president, and the fact that the government's covering that up is why people aren't voting for Biden.
	And that was his big payoff at the end of this fucking 10-part series that was five hours long.
	And it's just like, what the fuck are you doing, bro?
	The Zapruder film is like 30 seconds.
	It's like 28 seconds.
	It's really not hard to go over it frame by frame.
	You can do it in five minutes.
	You can do it in two minutes if you really want to.
	It's not a hard thing to do.
	And Rob didn't want to do it because he knew that if he fucking actually put details in his work, then people could call him out on it.
	And he doesn't want that.
	It's like a saying in Dungeons& Dragons, where if you stat it, we can kill it.
	Which is a way to say that, like, if you have a god in this game, and then one of the players asks the DM, what are the god's stats?
	Once you put numbers on it, if I reduce that number of hit points to zero, I win.
	I kill your god.
	And it's like Rob doesn't want to actually show his work, because if he shows his work, then it can be debunked.
	You can look at it and go, Rob, that shot doesn't make any sense.
	You said that shot happened to this film frame?
	Let's look at that frame.
	No, it didn't.
	It didn't fucking happen.
	So, keeping your shit purposely vague is very important to conspiracy theorists, because if you're vague, you can't be debunked.
	Chucky the typewriter can kill all the presidents, as long as you don't explain how.
	Chucky the typewriter did 9-11.
	Yes, Chucky the typewriter did 9-11.
	I just want to point out, you know, special thanks to, like, Michael Moore and Rob Reiner for being detestable shitlibs upon which all other...
	Look, and I just want to make it clear, I'm not a liberal, I'm a leftist.
	Okay?
	I just want to make that clear because it's people like Michael Moore and Rob Reiner.
	And South Park even fucking dragged Rob Reiner in the smoking episode.
	They really dragged him over the coals and they had a very good point.
	You know, I'm shocked that the South Park 9-11, like the first episode where they mentioned 9-11, because it does kind of conclude very patriotic, which I was like, I thought was kind of cheesy for South Park.
	But I think that they knew that that was kind of what people needed.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	It was weird.
	It felt so not South Park because it was like, this is weirdly pro-American, just very cute.
	Eric, your turn.
	Conspiracies.
	Which ones do you remember?
	Have you guys heard of the most dangerous book in the world?
	It's...
	The Bible?
	Yay!
	That's the actual, it's called The Most Dangerous Book in the World, 9-11 as Mass Ritual.
	It's this book that like, that goes just like, you know, everywhere I can in order to prove that 9-11 was a Luciferian mega ritual designed to, you know, I don't know, you know, have Satan walk the earth for five minutes or something.
	Did they quantify how much louche was obtained?
	I don't think...
	I think we partially mentioned this, Mike, when we covered Mark Fincham and that long video where he just, like, did every conspiracy because I think it brought up this most dangerous book in the world, 9-11 is matched ritual, but I know nothing about this.
	And the idea was that it was, like, a mass louche event in Mark Fincham's video.
	A state lawmaker here.
	It's great that we have elected officials who believe in Loosh.
	That's a rational, insane thing.
	Thank God.
	Mark Fincham, his steady hand on the wheel of American governance.
	That's right.
	And I was just taking a quick look at the book on Amazon, and it mentions one of the things we said about the thing that supposedly Bush claimed that he saw the first plane hit the tower.
	So that feature is on page one of this book.
	Did Bush actually say that?
	Is that one of those things that just gets baked because he said it?
	Yes.
	It's one of these things where Bush was walking into the school and something happens where one of his attendants It tells him that a plane has hit the World Trade Center, and at that point, we don't know if it's an accident, we don't know what's actually happening, we don't know what's going on.
	So, it was just, like, basically Bush misremembers the fact that he was told about that plane hitting, and then he's like, oh yeah, I remember seeing it.
	It's like, no, you didn't see it.
	Someone told you it happened.
	And according to this, Bush said that his comment about seeing the...
	First plane hit the tower was, there's one terrible pilot.
	Did he really?
	That's what he said.
	According to this book, that's what he said.
	Oh, okay.
	That's a Trump-ass remark.
	Well, I mean, you got to remember, before Trump, Bush was known for his...
	Bushisms, as they called it.
	Like when he spent like five minutes trying to remember how to say you fooled me once, shame on you.
	Fool me twice, shame on me.
	Or making up new words like agreeance.
	It's truly lovely that we are going to have 16 years of moron rule.
	Not like Republican rule, but actual just morons running this country on our behalf.
	It is delightful that...
	We have once again ensconced Donald Trump into the halls of power.
	Yes, yes.
	Because we needed, again, we needed his sharp, sharp mind minding the store of American governance.
	Right, America stuck the landing there.
	Yep.
	Mike, any conspiracies?
	Any ones you got that were good?
	Well, I told you about them landing in Cleveland and taking all the people off the plane.
	That was a big one.
	Yeah, I just remember the old school stuff where you watch the video and once the building starts pancaking, there's like little sprays of debris coming out of floors that are below the floors that are in full free fall.
	And as a result of that going on...
	People think that those lower debris clouds are bombs that are detonating in a chain reaction, which is fucking nonsense.
	But don't ever let bullshit get in the way of a story, because you gotta tell your narrative and you gotta sell it to people, so that's what the people do.
	One thing that conspiracy theorists will never talk to you about is the...
	Reports that came back from news and police helicopters.
	And shortly before the collapse of the South Tower, there was an engineer who was running to warn people.
	We have reports from Orio Palmer, who was totally buff and in shape.
	And with some luck, he had found a working elevator, which took him like 20 floors.
	But he hoofed his way all the way up to like...
	The 78th floor on the South Tower shortly before it collapsed, and he radioed down to them.
	Be advised, you know, he used the code for multiple casualties, and just before the tower collapsed, he told them there is severe structural damage.
	And then we had reports from the news helicopters saying, you know, it looks like this tower is going to go even before the South Tower fell.
	And then there were...
	Police helicopters.
	That's why they could not land on any of the routes because they were so engulfed with smoke and flames and they were like, they could tell that they were hot to the touch.
	So these helicopters had this horrific duty of being like 30 feet away from these people who were begging and pleading to be saved and not being able to do it.
	I would not want to be one of those helicopter pilots.
	I'll tell you that.
	But everyone knew it was going to fall.
	And just before the North Tower fell at 1028 a.m., I think it was, I'm pretty sure it was 1028, that sounds about right, 102 minutes after it was hit, Jay Jonas gave, of Ladder 6, gave the evacuation order of the North Tower.
	South Tower had fallen not long ago, and he said, that's it.
	It's done.
	We're getting out of here.
	And some of those firefighters didn't want to leave because that order was against their code of ethics.
	You don't leave trapped people behind.
	Everybody knew that those, like, not everybody, you know what I mean?
	But the people on the ground, a lot, they just couldn't communicate with each other.
	A lot of people on the ground knew that was going to fall.
	They knew.
	South Tower was going to fall.
	They knew North Tower was going to fall.
	The only reason it was a shock was because the rest of us weren't expecting it.
	I mean...
	Yeah, you can, you know, like helicopter guys, like definitely dealing with like an unspeakable level of horror.
	And then also like the dispatchers that were like getting phone calls.
	From people in the tower that were basically dying of smoke inhalation and begging for help.
	And one guy you can hear fall to his death.
	Kevin Pascrove.
	It's pretty disturbing.
	You can tell some of the dispatchers know that they're going to die.
	I actually saw that some of the ways...
	It's been kind of studied in...
	For future dispatchers, if it's a situation where the person is facing doom, and we all know that it's doom, you should try to convince them to hang up the emergency hotline and call a loved one.
	It's kind of like a weird training that they did post 9-11.
	So it's like some of these people were basically begging for help in a situation that everybody knew was not going to...
	They weren't going to live.
	And instead of frantically calling 911, they should have called their loved ones kind of thing.
	But the thing with the...
	And that is a good training tool going forward, but with the way the phones were that day, you know what I mean?
	It was hit or miss, especially for the people in those buildings.
	Some phones worked, some didn't.
	Some areas had electricity and were smoke-free.
	I had electricity and were smoke-filled.
	Some areas had water, some didn't.
	Dispatchers that I did hear talk to people that were facing impending doom were actually very sweet.
	She was the best.
	She spoke to Melissa Doi trapped on the 83rd floor of the South Tower.
	Melissa, you can hear in the recording, Melissa loses consciousness.
	And then there's this heavy guttural breathing, which is like just before the death rattle.
	So this, so Barnes, the, I forget her first, I think it's, I forget her first name, but the dispatcher Barnes stayed on the phone with Melissa until Melissa died.
	And one of the things that was pointed out is as the call continues, she goes from calling her just Melissa.
	To um baby and sweetheart and hold on for me darling and um it's uh it's very I you know there was some criticism of that like she should have told Melissa to hang up and call her mom instead but I I think she did the right thing because Who knows if that call would have gotten through and at least Melissa was able to get the message to her mother
	through Barnes because Barnes was just one of many people who had to seek out relatives in the days after 9-11 and give them, like Todd Beamer's wife, like the lady that spoke to Todd Beamer on the phone, you know, when he called from the plane, she had to go talk to Beamer's wife.
	So there were a lot of...
	But Barnes did pass on the message for Melissa's mom.
	So I think in that instance, she did the right thing.
	And a lot of dispatchers who told people to stay in place, that was the wrong thing to tell them.
	But based on the protocol at the time, and based on the evacuation efforts that happened in 1993, that...
	That was protocol for high-rise fires.
	Alright, real quick.
	I'm just going to say, because we talked about it and you put me in on this, this lull Superman.
	This is going to be my pick of things of 9-11.
	Because we were talking about this before the podcast, but I feel like it kind of has elements of like frazzledrip, where it's like a lot of people kind of...
	this video that probably doesn't exist um there's there's like there's this claim online that there's a video of some guys that are a guy unknown uh who like filmed in between the towers as people were jumping and got like very graphic footage and this has kind of been like piece of internet missing media slash internet lore uh like is it really
	Is it not real?
	People have put up screenshots that have been uncovered to definitely not be from the day.
	So it's just like this thing, like, does it exist?
	Does it not exist?
	And it's very, very tactfully called LOL Superman.
	It's like 4chan guys were definitely like, I definitely saw this.
	But...
	Most part, honestly, like, while researching the 9-11 stuff, because, again, I was a kid, and I was definitely, like, into 9-11 conspiracies when I was, like, fucking 12, but it's like, who the fuck?
	I barely, you know, it's like, whatever.
	Going back and, like, looking at all the conspiracies, kind of the popular ones, boring.
	9-11, I'm, no offense, Stephanie, no offense, Mike.
	9-11 conspiracies are quite boring, in my opinion.
	Because they're just every other conspiracy that you hear nowadays.
	They are!
	They are boring!
	I saw the direct energy conspiracies, which we see all the time now.
	Obviously, there's Jews did it.
	Lots of just...
	I don't know.
	It's all very boring.
	Even the big one that was back in the day, like jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
	When you really research it, it's incredibly boring and dry.
	And Stephanie and I were talking about this, how just, like, reality is much cooler and much more interesting, and history is much more cool and interesting, and, like, truth is kind of stranger than fiction kind of stuff.
	Like, you'll find much more interesting stories of survivors, people who did heroic stuff on the day.
	You know, there was a lot of corruption.
	You know, if you're into conspiracies because you hate the big corrupt government, guess what?
	You don't need conspiracies to tell you that.
	It's just corrupt.
	And, you know, there's just so much interesting stuff that you can research about things that led to 9-11, you know, geopolitics.
	And again, just, like, things that happened on the day, the way media was changed, the way that news was changed.
	There's just, you know, fucking going to the airport changed.
	Like, America changed that day.
	All that shit is very interesting.
	The conspiracies are incredibly boring.
	And Stephanie has a good point that it does.
	Rob people of their stories.
	Yeah, and, you know, there's so much.
	There's, I mean, like some of the, you know, some of the 80s, 70s and 80s action movies that are being redone and stuff like that.
	Like, you know, the Towering Inverno.
	And even the Titanic movie, This Great Escape.
	There were these amazing escape stories.
	These people were put in the everyday, you know, overweight, middle-aged finance bankers became heroes.
	There's something, and there's also an irony to the fact that there was one man, I think on like a floor in like the 30s.
	I think it was in the South Tower too, which makes it even worse because he had a longer time.
	He had that extra 17 minutes between the first impact.
	And that was when a lot of people started to evacuate.
	The South Tower was after the first plane hit.
	But he...
	Shit, where was I going with this?
	My brain.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sundowning already.
	Where was I? Refresh me.
	Where was I started with this?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	We were talking about...
	What conspiracies take from people.
	We were talking about how these conspiracies were boring, and then you...
	Oh, just in general, there are so many different interesting escape stories.
	And there are so many interesting stories about people who didn't escape.
	And I think piecing together those stories forensically, they were able to positively, officially identify the waving woman.
	At the impact zone of the North Tower, Edna Sintrone.
	And that photo of her standing in the zone waving is at the museum.
	And Eric and I both smiled to see that they officially recognized her as Edna.
	There's such a fascinating thing to think to that.
	Who were these people?
	And most of them will never know, but...
	Those people all had stories, and in the pictures of them falling, they're not dead yet.
	They're still alive.
	And there's something beautiful about that to me.
	Sorry, I keep getting choked up.
	I'm so sorry.
	You know, and you know, I honestly, I love to tell a 9-11 joke.
	I love to hear a 9-11 joke, but it is so true that, like, you know, if you want to, if you're, like, kind of that person that's into conspiracies because you just, like, you like to be Mr. Know-it-all, be Mr. Know-it-all about facts because, like, again, I just think it's more interesting.
	Nobody cares to hear some guy shouting the Jews did it for the thousandth time about the thousandth tragedy in America.
	Like, I don't know.
	Learn something new.
	What do you think, Mike?
	Well, what I think is that the reason why you find this to be so boring is that it's now been done to death.
	9-11 was new and exciting and fresh, and it was at the start of the internet.
	It wasn't where we are now.
	And so you have these two foundational conspiracy theories in America.
	Where you have John F. Kennedy, who was a political assassination, and then you have 9-11, which was a mass casualty event, and you're able to create these stories around these two big events.
	And as a result, everything can now fit into one of those two templates.
	If an important person is assassinated or they attempt to assassinate them...
	It's Kennedy.
	If there's a mass casualty event, be it a mass shooting or a bombing or a terrorist attack of some kind, it's 9-11.
	So you can just fit your story into a pre-written narrative that you already know what you're going to say.
	Because you can bring it up.
	You can bring up all the stuff.
	All the school shootings are bullshit.
	It's an MKUltra sleeper agent who did these things, if they even did these things, if it even really happened.
	I mean, and that's where it is.
	And I think that we're now so far removed.
	It's been 24 years since 9-11, and we've been so far removed from it, and we've just had...
	Conspiracy theory is weaponized so aggressively by the internet that it's not even an argument.
	It's not even something that people can really talk about.
	In order to move the needle for these fucking assholes, in order for them to talk about something that's offensive and controversial, they go straight to the fucking Holocaust.
	Because that's the way these people operate now.
	So I just think that that's just the nature of the beast.
	Go ahead, Stephanie.
	Well, I wanted to say, when I was researching that huge, long Crisis Actor article I wrote that no one's probably read, one of the things that, you know, I was trying to find out why all this shit seemed to explode in 2012 with Sandy Hook.
	Like, why, where did this come from?
	Lenny Posner sent me a transcript from Facebook on 2014. It was like a bunch of like Sandy Hook truthers.
	It was their Sandy Hook hoax Facebook group.
	And Lenny actually came in and tried talking to them and stuff.
	But early on in the transcript, one of the people had typed, no one died at Cantor Fitzgerald.
	Was what kind of led me to connect a lot of this current crisis actor narrative stuff that we see where everything is fake.
	Everything is fake.
	A lot of it came from what at the time was the fringe elements of the 9-11 movement.
	And that those were your Simon Shacks, your Ace Bakers, your Judy Woods.
	Richard Holgrims.
	And these were people that Alex Jones purposely distanced himself from.
	You had John Lear, who was friends with Art Bell.
	As in Lear Jets, he was in that family, and he was a no-planer.
	So you had this huge explosion of what is essentially denialism, centered around 9-11, and that is what kind of led the way.
	For this crisis actor false flag narrative that we see all the time.
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	I can't even imagine what would happen if 9-11 happened today and how the internet would react.
	It's just like...
	Do you know how many people would die taking selfies?
	But I mean, I just think that so many people would just reject it.
	We no longer have a shared reality.
	It's no longer something that we...
	We don't acknowledge the real world anymore.
	The conspiracies would come up even before the official government story came up and people would be celebrating it.
	People would be like, yeah, such digital soldiers are shattering the lies of the Matrix machine before they can even be made and on and on and on and all that bullshit.
	It would never end.
	So yeah, it's really crummy.
	Do we have any final thoughts?
	Anything else to say?
	We're almost at two hours now.
	I have to kind of run, so I'm just going to say goodbye real quick and then I've got to head out.
	Goodbye.
	Bye.
	Bye, everybody.
	Bye, guys.
	Yep.
	Okay, so we started with four co-hosts.
	We're down to two.
	So it's me and Shaylee.
	Sad, alone, crying.
	It's okay.
	I think the pod's generally done.
	I think we talked enough about 9-11.
	You know?
	I was pretty sure the plot was done.
	I wasn't too worried about that.
	I was just trying to do a fake sort of grim reality thing.
	And then you were just like, no, Mike, we've got all the content we need.
	And I'm like, I know we do.
	But anyhow.
	Anyhow, thank you all for listening.
	Thanks for all the support we get from you guys, which is now one positive message to Eric, apparently.
	Yeah, but I'll take it.
	I'll take that secondhand positivity.
	I appreciate it.
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	I'm holding it in my hot little hand right now.
	They're very happy with me for having given them money in the grass.
	Do you know what they want me to do now?
	Give them more money.
	But instead of me doing that, I'm going to try to have them take your money, and that will make them happy too.
	And then they'll send you letters asking for money, because that's how these organizations operate.
	But again, they're trying to eliminate human trafficking, and that's a good thing, so we should probably help them.
	Thanks to DJ Minimal Effort and me for the intro.
	Thanks to Frosty for the bumps.
	Thanks to my co-hosts.
	Thanks to everyone.
	Thanks to you.
	Thanks to George W. Bush for being asleep at the switch and allowing 9-11 to happen.
	So we got this nearly two hours worth of podcasting done along with part one from last week.
	And thanks to the crazy lady who said there were two shooters in the Kennedy assassination based on the paperwork she saw.
	So maybe we're going to get to talk about my goddamn hobby wars next week, which there are three.
	A host can probably take a nap, and I'll just be happy as a pig in shit talking about JFK and Chucky the typewriter and all that bullshit.
	But maybe, maybe not.
	We'll see what next week brings.
	Until then, we'll catch you later.

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