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Feb. 11, 2025 - Adventures in HellwQrld
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Adventures in HellwQrld Presents: 9/11 Part 1

This week we Eric, Steph, Mike, and Haley talk about their lives on 9/11 and we get into a bit of what actually happened that day. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The Adventures in Hellworld podcast talks in-depth about QAnon.
While it's meant to be comedic informative, sometimes we have to get into things like child abuse and violence against people.
Listener discretion advised.
Hello everybody, I am Mike Rains, a.k.a.
Poker and Politics, and welcome to another episode of Adventures in Hell World.
This week I am joined, as always, by Chaley, a.k.a.
Haley, a.k.a.
Arizona Rightwatch.
Hello, everybody.
I just got back from a protest, so you might hear me a little sniffly because I literally just fucking biffed it like an hour ago and my leg is completely fucked up.
I'm fucked up.
We're all fucked up.
The world is fucked up.
Hello.
It's going great.
It's going great for her.
It's also going great for Eric, the deep state operative.
That's right.
And I want to apologize ahead of time if you guys hear any jingling while I'm talking.
in this because there's a lot of loose change in my pockets.
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Oh, yeah.
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That was good timing.
And we are also joined by our expert on 9-11, Stephanie, who's going to be doing the majority of the heavy lifting in this show.
Get him, Steph!
I don't know.
I used to think I was edging towards maybe being a 9-11 expert until I chanced upon some of the subreddits.
So, not really an expert enthusiast.
Oh, God, I don't want to say enthusiast.
9-11 enthusiast!
You see those planes that you're like, yeah, fuck them!
Osama Bin Laden, yeah!
But I do give my husband 9-11 hugs.
I kind of go, and I give him a big hug.
And then you melt his steel beams.
Yes.
Yes, my L, L's probably mentioned this on the pod before, but that Halloween in Salem, there were two people as towers being traced by two people as planes.
And that was just the ultimate Too Soon costume, just fucking straight going for it.
I had a friend who wanted to do that exact costume, and I was like, no, I am not participating in that.
Wait, what year did that happen, Mike?
It was, oh, 2001. Those people are some real jokesters there with that one.
That was like a t-shirt.
Hell had a t-shirt based on the I Heart New York logo, except it had an image of an airplane in place of a heart.
And they had a contest for people who bought it to take a picture of themselves at Ground Zero with the shirt.
And I'm like, y'all need to take a step back.
It's a funny shirt.
Don't.
Don't.
Challenge people to do that.
A friend of mine actually did that, and he works in InfoSec, so I'm sure that was interesting for him.
And when I say...
Oops, sorry.
Go ahead, Shaylee.
I was just wondering if any of you guys have actually been to the site, like the Memorial, the World Trade Center Memorial and the rebuilding, the Freedom Tower, whatever they call it.
Yeah, me too.
I was there with Sassy, who is former QAnon, so we both went there to experience the real life of it.
Yeah, I've only been to New York once, and while I was there, they were building One World Trade Center, so you couldn't get anywhere near it.
Yeah, I've been to New York twice, and it was literally just to go to MSG for UFC shows.
Or Trump rallies.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That would be great.
Stealth, MAGA, Mike Raines.
Yes, you got me pegged.
Yeah.
Yeah, going there.
Well, I mean, now that Dana White's fully MAGA-pilled, I basically did go to Trump rallies.
So, yeah.
Actually, it was really funny because the first one was right after Trump won in 2016, and I was literally blocked by a protest against him that was marching down the street.
I was just sitting there going, hey, where were you fucking assholes a couple months ago when your votes would have fucking mattered?
Good job.
Good job, dum-dums.
All your performative protesting doesn't mean shit to me, because Hilldog ain't gonna be president now, so get bent, scum.
But yeah, so that was my experience in New York.
Did New York go red?
I think it did.
Red New York, much like Red California.
The dream of QAnon.
That made me laugh because the intro warning talks about how we talk about QAnon.
I was thinking about how 9-11 is one of those proto-QAnon moments where it's one of the foundational blocks of the QAnon mythology.
If you go to my boy Kag Drogo in his Twitter feed, his bio reads, Mossad did 9-11 in JFK. 9-11 is the millennial Kennedy assassination.
It's the big event that the bad government did in your lifetime.
And that was, I mean, because of the time of 9-11, I was fully Kennedy-pilled, so it was really easy for me to just, like, it was real easy for me to just blame everything on Bush and be like, hey, fuck this shit.
He did it.
He's going to steal a Rex oil.
So in your defense, Bush should have any kind of blame you could have heaped on him.
Oh, I mean, hating George W. Bush is objectively right.
I mean, it's just that I was hating him for things that he actually didn't do.
You thought he personally put the bombs in the towel and hit the button, which I think is what a lot of people who just kind of repeat Bush did 9-11 conspiracies believe without thinking about it because they just...
I don't know.
I notice a lot of...
it's like expand on that and it's like they can't but it's because they do similarly have this like disdain for bush and they've generally heard bush did 9-11 and then they it's such a common conspiracy i we're not getting into conspiracies as much this episode to the list right but it's all because he kept reading that damn book yes that's why that's why everyone believes it was bush he just wanted to know what happened to that goat he just wanted to know
yeah i mean and i mean That was our big thing.
All us angry liberals.
I watched Fahrenheit 9-11.
Michael Moore got me all riled up.
Then Michael Moore took a hard turn towards being a fucking grifting piece of shit.
Well, I think it was more of a soft right towards being a grifter.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I really just enjoyed every four years Michael Moore coming out of his rabbit hole and telling us the Republicans are going to win.
And it's like, thanks, Mike.
You're fucking great.
Doing the world a real solid there, buddy.
Anyhow.
What do you expect from a Canadian?
Michael Moore's Canadian?
Oh, yeah.
Before he was a documentarian, he made one of the last movies that John Candy ever did called Canadian Bacon, where John Candy plays a Canadian cop who gets caught up in this plot to try to start a war with Canada.
That movie was from Flint, Michigan or something.
Or did he just do a documentary in Flint, Michigan?
Future Proofs Past.
That movie was predictive programming for the tariffs.
Question that I think is important because I think I'm a little younger than you guys.
How old were you all when 9-11 happened?
And do you remember what you were doing and why you were?
Absolutely.
I was probably somewhere around my 20s, I think.
It does look like Michael Moore's from Flint, according to Wikipedia, but that could all be a lie.
But anyways, I was somewhere around probably my teenage to my 20s, because I remember I was working for a crook that ran a scam sports memorabilia store.
This guy was an absolute criminal because I would see merchandise that was not autographed, and then that merchandise would come off the shelf for a couple days, and then it would go back on the shelf autographed.
And it wasn't like that guy or that person who was there had been in town for a signing or anything.
That was just how this guy operated, where he would just sign the shit himself.
He was just forging.
And I remember 9-11 happening because it was like a Monday morning.
It was like a Tuesday morning.
It was really quiet.
Nothing was going on.
It's like one of those days where you just like open the store and then just like steal money from your boss because you're not doing shit all day long.
Then I would literally steal money from my boss because a couple customers would buy some shit.
And then I would take that money and buy my lunch from the Friendly's store.
I'd buy my sandwich from the store near me.
And that day, nothing was going on.
It was super boring.
And then I think I got a phone call from someone and they told me the World Trade Center had been hit.
And I was like, oh wow, what the fuck?
This is pre-internet, pre-cell phone, pre-being connected to the hive mind at all times.
I'm out of the loop.
I really don't know what's going on.
Then a friend of mine comes in the store and starts talking about stuff.
The one thing I remember most vividly is that a random woman came into the store and bought a poster of Peyton Manning.
And that was the big transaction that I remember from the day, was selling that Peyton Manning poster.
And then I just remember that it was just such a slow, nothing-happening day that at one point I just gave up and walked out of the store and walked...
Around the store, around the mall that I was in.
And I got near a kiosk, one of those kiosks where they sell earrings and stuff.
And I remember these people saying something to the effect of, they're just doing this to scare the shit out of us.
And another person said, well, if that's their goal, it's working!
And just like...
People just being kind of traumatized.
And at that point, I still hadn't seen anything because I didn't have any TVs.
And finally, at some point in the early afternoon, they made an announcement over the PA system that they were canceling.
They was closing them all for the day.
And that's when me and a friend, we drove to my house.
We watched the news.
We watched the towers fall a million times.
And that was kind of our day.
And then I was scheduled to work the next day.
So I go to work and obviously fucking nothing is happening because no one's leaving their houses because they're afraid they're going to get killed.
So I'm sitting there in my empty, illicit memorabilia store.
With no customers, bored to tears.
And I was like, you know what?
Fuck this.
And I just walked basically all the way across the mall from where I was to where this store was.
It's literally on the opposite side of the mall.
I walk all the way down to the other side of the mall, go to the bookstore, go to the bookshelves, find myself a copy of the Koran.
Buy the Koran, bring it back to the sports memorabilia store, and start reading it.
I'm like, I need to know.
I need to unlock the secret truths of this mysterious religion that these terrorists inflicted upon us.
And then I read it, and I'm like, this is just the Old fucking Testament.
This is just Old Testament Part 2. Yeah, it'd be like reading the Bible to understand why neo-Nazi terrorists do what they do.
It's just like, it doesn't...
You get a little bit of kind of maybe the ideology that they're distorting, but for the most part, you have to learn other things.
Right, but I'm just saying, like...
I mean, the Koran, it just read so much like the Old Testament to me that I was like, man, how are these people killing each other over this?
This is such a minor dispute over doctrinal worship of God things.
Oh, ow!
It was only written a couple hundred years after the New Testament, too.
So it was kind of, they're kind of feeding off each other a bit.
Right.
I mean, the whole book is just...
Jesus is really cool, but he is not divine.
He is just a prophet.
And guess who else is a prophet?
This guy Muhammad.
He's really cool.
You should listen to Muhammad.
He's awesome.
Yeah, a lot of mega-bigots don't know that Jesus is actually a pretty revert holy figure, even in...
Jesus and Mary are fucking huge in the Quran.
I talk to people who don't even realize that Allah is the same...
Being is God.
They think they're like two different deities.
Yes!
Oh, that drives me nuts.
I'm like, oh my God.
It's like, you know, Mohammed spoke to the Archangel Raphael.
I mean, or Gabriel.
I'm like, was he, was the guy batting for both teams?
What's going on here?
Yeah, Gabriel was working for a non, Gabriel was working for not Yahweh.
That's why Americans piss and shit themselves anytime they hear someone say Allah Akbar because they're like, oh fuck, oh fuck, this is terrorist language as if it's just not.
It's literally God is great.
Yeah, but they think it's what Osama bin Laden yelled as he was knocking back a beer watching the World Trade Center fall.
Yeah.
Where were you, Eric?
I was actually asleep in bed.
I worked a late shift back then.
So I would not even get home until midnight.
So I'm laying in bed and my dad wakes me up.
I remember it was shortly after I turned 21 going by the dates.
And he said that a friend of mine had called the house because, like Mike said, we didn't have cell phones back then.
And told them to turn on the news because somebody had just hit the World Trade Center.
And I'm halfway, I'm like, what?
What?
I'm like, again?
Because younger people might not remember this, but there was an attempted bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. So I find out, I'm watching this, and I call my friend, and we're talking, and he's like, you know, they're talking about shutting everything, because I live in Chicago, a major metropolitan area, so they're like, yeah, they're talking about shutting everything down, O'Hare's grounded, nobody's moving, and he's like, are you going into work today?
And at the time, I can't get too much into it, because there's a lot of...
But because like I had, you know, like NDAs and stuff, but I was working for a company that monitored like house arrest and probation and parole and that kind of stuff.
So I'm like, I'm in the security industry.
I absolutely have to be in work today.
And I worked out.
Out in the burbs, I'm like, so unless, you know, I'm like, I doubt anybody's going to come after the one-story building in the middle of an industrial park 50 miles away from downtown Chicago, so I think I'm going to be okay.
But, yeah, I get there, and of course, obviously, everyone's talking about it, because the shift didn't start until 3 p.m., so we'd all had plenty of time to soak it in.
And there's just all this, and, you know, just all this craziness.
Like, I remember people telling...
People tell me these horribly anti-Muslim jokes.
This one guy told me he was driving down the street and he's looking at all these different restaurants and they all say, God bless America, God bless America.
And then he passes Subway and it says, you know, $2 off a foot long.
And he's like, you know those guys?
I'm like, you know, it's Indians who are supposed to run all subways and Indians aren't Muslim.
I had to explain that to so many fucking people.
Oh yeah, the first hate crime that happened post 9-11 occurred.
Here in Arizona, and it was only a few days after 9-11, and they killed a Sikh man.
Yeah, there's still a memorial at the gas station where it occurred, but that was the first hate crime post-9-11 that was related to 9-11.
Yeah, that's one thing that really sticks with me, is how insane the Islamophobia was back then.
I remember...
Like, a couple years later when, you know, Bush decided he was going to invade Afghanistan, my dad bought a book about the Taliban because he wanted to learn about them, and when he got the package, it had obviously been torn open with, like, a box knife and then taped back up because he said, he was like, yeah, so probably, like, you know, the FBI is looking at it, they do an x-ray and they see Taliban, so they rip it open and they're like, oh, it's just some guy who wants to know, you know, about what's going on in Afghanistan.
And so they sent it along.
Yeah, that reminded me one of the first things that I got into when it came to right-wing media and right-wing social media posting was there was this Facebook page that would Every three or four hours post a headline.
And it would recycle stories.
And it was literally 80% outrage and just like, call your congressman.
Does this upset you?
Hit like now or whatever.
And then I have like 20% of this person standing up for true American values.
And one of the...
articles that would constantly recycle through was special privileges being given to Muslims in our army.
And it would be like, if you accept Muslims having special rights in our military, blah, blah, blah.
And you click on the article and it was actually about Sikhs.
Literally every time that article ran, it was like 2,000 people screaming about how much they hate Muslims, and like 50 people replying to those people saying, this is Sikhs, they're not Muslims, they're different religions, you people are ignorant, calm down.
I think I remember that too, because the whole thing was that Sikhs wanted to be able to wear their turbans, which goes against the uniform code, but it's religious, so there was this whole...
Debacle going on with that.
And it was the beard.
The army has the gas mask policy where your face has got to be snug for the gas mask.
They eventually came to a compromise where the beard had to be tight tight so that you could get your gas mask on.
But again, it was accommodating Sikhs, not Muslims.
I was in 4th grade when 9-11 happened.
Am I the youngest one here?
Yeah, I would assume so.
I think us three are about the same age, yeah.
So yeah, I was in fourth grade when it happened, and so it happened around 9 a.m.
Eastern Time, and so it basically happened right when I was probably leaving for the bus.
And then waiting because there was like you know you had a long wait for the bus and then you know you get to school and then you wait for like a the way that our school worked it was like you would get dropped off by the bus on the basketball courts and then all the students would line up and wait for their teacher to take them and like people knew what had happened by the time we got I got to school and You know,
kids were talking about it.
Kids were, like, freaking out.
And nobody, none of the adults came and got us on the normal time when school was supposed to start.
Like, your teacher's supposed to walk you to class.
And, yeah, we were out there for, like, an extra half hour.
And I would assume it's because the teachers are like, well, fuck, this shit just happened.
Like, what do we tell all these kids?
I'm sure a lot of them were panicking.
And yeah, they just brought us back to class.
And my teacher personally just watched it all day on the TV, on the news.
So we just watched the towers fall a day.
You know, some kids were crying.
Teachers were definitely crying and like visiting one another throughout the day.
It was just a really odd day at school.
You know, you don't realize that the...
You don't fully comprehend it as a kid, and you don't realize that everything changed in that moment.
You're just kind of like, what is going on?
Yeah, I remember I was a kid when we got to watch the Challenger blow up.
That was my ultra-traumatizing childhood moment.
That's funny.
I was going to bring that up, too, because I remember I was in kindergarten when that happened.
And I had this vivid memory for years of my teacher taking the whole class outside so we could look up in the sky and watch it explode.
And it was like...
And finally, one day I'm like, that must have been a dream, because there's no way in hell I could have actually seen that happen.
And how would my teacher have known it was going to happen anyway?
Your teacher knew about the O-ring.
Your teacher was like, there's no fucking way that O-ring's holding up.
Come on, kids.
Let's watch Reagan kill a bunch of astronauts.
From a thousand miles away.
Yeah.
But yeah, so I like get home from school and it was just like, you know, my parents are upset.
And I kind of make a joke just about the day because, you know, it's like, again, it's like you don't really fully comprehend what the fuck just happened.
And my parents got so mad at me.
And then, yeah, I think I kind of grew up because it's like, you know, I was like nine.
I think I grew up more in like my, you know.
I was on the internet young, and I think I grew up more in the 9-11 conspiracy zeitgeist war.
So it was just kind of like, you know, you're on the internet at that time.
That was definitely a thing you would see on the internet, and you would hear people talk about.
I mean, the 9-11 conspiracy stuff, the Alex Jones stuff, is literally featured in the 9-11 museum at the, what do they call it?
The Freedom Tower or whatever.
One World Tower?
I don't know.
One World Trade Center.
One World Trade Center.
So yeah, that was more the kind of culture that I remember.
The day was just kind of like a bizarre day as a kid.
It was interesting re-watching it in real time on some of these YouTube videos because I did watch way too much 9-11 stuff this last week.
And it was interesting that The kind of 24-hour news feed that was happening was kind of already focused on New York a little bit because it was New York Fashion Week.
And then there's this cuts to commercial, incredibly different coverage happening.
But yeah, that was my experience with 9-11 when it happened.
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Okay, I sent you guys a link in the chat to two articles that I had written right around the time of 9-11.
I was working at the Express Times in Easton, Pennsylvania, about a three-hour drive from New York City, right across the bridge from Phillipsburg, New Jersey.
So, like, you know, not far.
And we...
I was normally working, like, noon to eight.
But the archivist for the newspaper was out on vacation, and they had trained me to fill in for her, so I had to, like, upload these, like, digital articles and stuff.
So I was there at 8 a.m.
Otherwise, I would have slept through it if the librarian had not gone on vacation.
So that was kind of a lucky thing for me.
And someone came in at about, you know, like right when they started airing the shit and said a plane just hit the World Trade Center.
And this is 2001. My mom died two years later.
I was 26. So I was 24. Wow.
So I'm exactly twice as old as I was on that day.
Duh!
That creeped me out.
So I was told to abandon the library work and to get into the newsroom.
And it was all hands on deck.
The pagination department was scrambling.
We re-released.
We had already put out our daily edition.
And it already went out.
So what we did was...
Like the B section, B through like E sections, the inner part.
That was a reprint.
We went and redid section A and everyone was scrambling.
Everybody.
And I remember the head of the pagination department, she just stopped and she said, this is before and after.
She's like, this is one of those events that there's a before and there's an after.
You know, and it was very profound.
Like, everyone knew that, but just her stopping to take that second.
And I actually had a moment.
I went out for a smoke at one point, and a non-smoker came out.
She was talking to me, and I'm like, this was after the collapse.
And I was like, this feels like an inside thing.
This feels like government.
Like, on that day, I had...
That inclination, because when you understand nothing, everything feels like a conspiracy theory, you know.
But just the fact that, but I think a lot of people, because she agreed with me, you know, she was like, yeah, it kind of does.
But I think a lot of people had that, we had nothing to compare it to.
We didn't have a cultural representation for us to understand it through, other than controlled demolition.
So that's all we could go with, a lot of people.
And I was later assigned an article to interview a Pentagon.
Survivor, like the plane had come in just underneath him.
And it would have been cool if I would have thought of that when I started thinking that Pentagon was a missile.
It would have been cool if I would have remembered that I talked to someone, but also the guy I talked to, he was all like, he was going to be speaking at a local church and he was all like, Jesus and women need to stay in their place.
I'm like, yeah, good guy.
Obviously, I'm not going to put much bad guy to say that he survived the Pentagon.
And then also, at that time, I had been assigned Band of Brothers, which had just started airing.
So watching the rest of Band of Brothers each week after 9-11, it was...
It was great publicity for Band of Brothers, especially the episode Why We Fight.
But it did put Band of Brothers into a different...
There was a different level of enjoyment and that things felt a little parallel, even though they really weren't.
So I got to write that article, and I did discuss in the article about...
You know, 9-11's impact on how I viewed the film.
Well, the series.
But yeah, being at the newspaper on that day, it was really interesting because I had full access to The Wire.
And shit was coming off The Wire.
And I was reading it before it hit the news.
But there were a lot of conflicting reports.
And that's...
One of the weird things is in the Fox News broadcast that day, the guy's like, no, we don't want to speculate here, but what we think happened, like, whoa, Fox doesn't want to speculate.
But there was a lot of confusion and a lot of newspapers and a lot of news outlets did end up publishing what would turn out to be false information.
And I want to assure everyone that was not done on...
I mean, that's what happens in an event like this.
You're just throwing shit at a wall.
Anything that you can put out there to the public that is new information, you're going to put it out.
And social media barely existed.
Twitter didn't come around until two years later.
And MySpace was cutting edge at the time.
So it was like pretty much you...
If you wanted to know what was going on, you had to turn on the TV and put on your local news.
It's not like today where you get instant access to what every talking head is saying at all times.
Yeah, and when I went back and re-watched, just this last week, the live feeds, there's listeners.
Two things.
There's five-hour videos of people going through the iceberg meme of all the conspiracies, and there's also people that have spliced together all the news in real time with what was actively happening on the planes, with the tracker, with the flight radar, and it's very actually good work that these editors did.
Because you can see the disinformation in real time, and you can see the panic in the reporters in real time, because they're just stupid people too.
And yeah, it is just interesting seeing where some of the conspiracies definitely stemmed from, because it's just like, this is what happens so often.
We saw this in the JFK Museum, remember Mike, when it had the wires that was coming in from all the...
The news outlets at the time, and there was so much misinfo in there.
There was a bunch of just conflicting info.
There was people claiming to be shot that wasn't shot.
It was just like misinfo central.
Yeah, Walter Cronkite at one point during the live broadcast talked about a Secret Service agent being killed during the attack and said something to the effect of they even die in secret.
And there was...
Talk of Lyndon Johnson being shot in the arm or that Lyndon Johnson had had a heart attack during the attack.
Because the motorcade was Kennedy limo, Secret Service limo, and then behind him was LBJ and Senator Yarbrough in a car.
Two cars behind Kennedy.
There was this giant kerfuffle because once Kennedy got shot...
Basically, the Secret Service is just dogpiling the shit out of Johnson, because now he's probably the president.
Now, all attention's on him.
He's got a jacket over his arm when he's being rushed into the hospital, and someone sees that.
They're like, oh shit, he's been shot in the arm.
Because they're running him into the hospital, they're like, oh shit, maybe he had an heart attack.
Oh no.
All that kind of stuff.
And of course, those all cover so that they can wheel JFK into the Stargate sarcophagus and revive his body.
Yes!
The medbed, yes.
Oh, God.
I know people like to bring up the medbeds in Elysium, but it's always Stargate for me when it comes to regeneration technology.
That's fine.
We don't discriminate here in our crank universes.
My sims have a medbed.
What sims are you playing?
Sims 4 with all of the expansions, the stuff packs, the game packs, and all of the kits that aren't based on clothing.
Okay, because it sounds like you've been having fun and it's the kind of fun that I'm looking to do.
It's expensive if you want all the expansions and stuff.
It's like $2,000, but it is a great way to check out from the world and if you feel infested with rage like I do.
Right now, you can download a little Elon Musk and torture him.
So, yeah.
I also have a Trump family that I'm going to torture.
But anyway, no, but there is a med bed in the Get to Work Sims expansion pack.
It's a little operating table with, like, special magical arms that fixes you magically and stuff.
I'm like, oh, that's funny.
Oh, yeah.
When I think MedBeds, I'm like, oh, you mean the stuff from Stargate, where the hot guy that was only ever in two movies, Stargate and The Crying Game, he's like, your bodies are so easy to damage and so easy to repair.
That's why we chose them.
I'm like, you go, hot guy.
It's funny because he mentioned he was only in two movies because he did The Crying Game and then he's like, okay, I'm fucking done with acting.
But then Roland Emmerich was like, no, we need this guy in Stargate.
We need him to be raw.
So he's like, okay, whatever.
I'll do it if you give me a million dollars.
And Roland Emmerich was like, okay, here's a million dollars.
and he was like, shit, I gotta do it now.
Yeah, but that's one of those movies that damned us long before The Matrix ever did.
Yeah.
But anyway, back to 9-11.
Back to 9-11.
Sorry.
Back to our happy story, our joyous tale.
You mean back to 9 and never, because it didn't happen.
Yep.
True.
Well, I told Chaley that her school, they made her watch all those replays of the towers because they needed to collect as much loosh as possible.
It's true.
That's what this is all about.
You gotta get that loosh.
It was a mass loosh harvesting event, as was 9-11 as a whole.
It was a nationwide loosh harvesting.
Honestly, too, I feel like a lot of the paranoia and the conspiracies at the time do lie in the fact that America just experienced a mass tragedy and had collective PTSD, and we as a country just do not do anything to address that or anything whatsoever.
In fact, we usually just cause things that cause more.
Collective trauma, like going to a forever war.
But we did write some very cathartic country western songs about 9-11, so that helped.
Okay.
I'm not gonna lie, I had a memory unlocked in this 9-11 deep dive that I was doing, because again, I was a child, so I was watching the Disney Channel a lot at the time, and Disney Channel did this fucking weird thing.
Where they basically had all the actors and all the voice actors that were, like, regulars on the Disney Channel.
Like, in between, when you're supposed to have commercials, it would instead have, like, Lizzie McGuire.
And they would be like, what do you love about America?
And she would just be like, nationalism.
I love nationalism so much, and I love the flag.
And I just love going everywhere.
It was that, literally.
I was just like...
I cannot believe they did this to us.
And I do remember a lot of the weird ones.
I just remember them vaguely as a kid because I remember some of the characters that they had on there.
It was just like, why am I listening to this guy talk about America?
And I remember Shia LaBeouf read a poem and that forever stuck in my head.
So when I remembered this, I was like, oh my god, memory's unlocked.
And I went and watched a couple of them and they are very fucking...
Bizarre.
Disney also did, like, an incredibly bizarre Disney Channel original movie about 9-11, where it's a young Hayden Panettiere, and she goes on a, it's called Tiger Cruise, because she goes on a Tiger Cruise, which is the ship that her dad is serving on, and it's a story, it's the usual, like, Dad, you work too much, and I want you to be home.
But then 9-11 happens in the middle of the movie.
And at the end, the big climax is they unfurl this huge American flag on the ship.
And she says, Dad, I don't want you to come home.
I think you should keep doing your job.
And he does.
He stays in the military.
Fucked up shit!
Fucked up shit!
They also edited a lot of media, like, post 9-11.
You guys remember anything?
Yeah, I remember there was that episode of The Simpsons where they go to New York and they had to cut out the whole sequence where Homer is running back and forth between the North and South Tower.
And they had to delay the release of the first Spider-Man movie by about six months because they had to cut out a bit where Peter Parker lands on one of the towers.
So yeah, there was a lot of stuff like that going on.
I remember...
This one columnist here that people probably know from other stuff, his name is Richard Roper.
He took over for Gene Siskel on Ebert.
But anyway, I was reading one of his columns and somebody said, yeah, I was watching the producers and there's this one scene in the background where you can see them building the Twin Towers.
And he's like, yeah, and if people have their way, it seems like that will be removed from...
From a film forever because, you know, we gotta erase the collective memory of what happened.
Yeah, there's like whole Wikipedia pages of like music based off of 9-11, media that was edited because of 9-11.
They edited Lilo and Stitch because the final scene.
Spider-Man?
Spider-Man.
Wasn't there an NSYNC video and a Limp Bizkit video?
I think.
That were, like, filmed atop the trade center?
I don't care for either of those groups, so I couldn't say it.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
Like, Limp Bizkit is, like, it's, like, I don't know.
Like, I could see Nick Fuentes listening to that shit.
I'm just going to say it.
Fred Durst is a dick.
I'm just going to say it.
But he's still better than the other Durst guy that got caught on a hat mic while pissing, admitting to murder.
And that guy, that Durst guy, he was arrested near where I used to live.
He was arrested at a Wegmans, not far from where I lived.
Anyway.
A Wegmans where Dr. Oz was buying some crew detail for his wife.
Whatever.
So, sorry, where do we want to...
Where are we now on 9-11?
You can just go through.
You are the resident expert, so you can go through the actual timeline of the events.
I think that would probably be like that.
It's been almost a quarter of a century, so it would probably be good to have a refresher.
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to just actually spell out exactly what happened and the real story of the real timeline so that next week when we get into this shit and we start talking about laser beams...
And no play 9-11 and all that kind of stuff.
We can see where reality was and where the fantasies are.
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I can see if I can find...
I'm pretty sure it's on Rumble, the September Clues video, if we want to watch the No Plane documentary.
I would love to do that.
But the problem is, is it's a very visual-based documentary.
There's not much talking in it, so we would have to kind of describe.
Oh, we can live stream that episode.
I mean, Riverside allows live streaming.
Yeah, we can do that.
So basically, you know, Eric did touch on the 93 World Trade Center.
Oh, I actually, I wanted to throw this in for you guys also.
I was able to determine when I had been to the World Trade Center as a kid.
We were there with my aunt, my uncle, my cousin from Missouri, and we were taking my uncle, we were taking them to the JFK airport.
So my parents decided to stop at the World Trade Center, and my two distinct memories, and this is going to be very ironic, my two distinct memories of the World Trade Center are falling and blood.
My mom stood me at the base of one of the towers, and she said, I want you to look all the way up to the top.
And then she stood behind me because she knew what was going to happen.
As I was looking up, I started to fall, and she caught me.
I'm like, why did you do that?
She's like...
I knew that would happen.
I caught you, but I wanted to show you how tall it was.
You can't even see the top.
And then we were in one of the public bathrooms, and I guess someone didn't flush.
There was blood in the toilet.
And I was like, Mommy, what's that blood in the toilet?
My mom was like, Someone must have been sick or something.
Because I'd never seen that before, because my mom had had a hysterectomy after I was born.
And then I was thinking back, and one of the memories I have when we were there was passing a newsstand.
And there was a Penthouse magazine that I wanted because Madonna was on the cover.
So I thought, like, holy shit.
So I looked up Madonna cover of Penthouse magazine.
That was September of 1985. Now, how cool would it have been if we were actually there on September 11th, 1985?
But I have no way.
I could actually talk to my aunt.
She might remember.
But we were there.
And it might have been August.
It might have been October.
But we were there sometime within when that magazine was being sold on the newsstands.
So it was kind of interesting that I... I was a big Madonna fan and my mom was trying to explain to me, no, that magazine isn't for little girls.
That's so funny.
Yeah, but it's so amazing that that one thing sticks out in my mind and that's how I'm able to remember it and actually date when we were there.
But yeah, we were there and my two biggest memories were falling in blood.
So, yeah.
So basically, the World Trade Center, I don't have the exact date.
I think they began construction in the 60s.
The architect who designed it was afraid of heights, which was why he designed the windows with that weird little space hatch.
The windows were very thin.
On the inside, and they also have grips on the side, on the inside of the windows.
There were grips for people to hold on to if they were afraid of heights.
No one liked them.
Everybody said that they looked like the...
They were like, oh, here's a bad replica of the Empire State Building and the box that it came in with, or something like that.
You know, everybody was just like, oh, these are so ugly and unimpressive.
And then they grew.
They became iconic.
In 1993, I think it was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?
Was that KSM? I think he was the one.
Okay.
And I'm not sure if it was him or one of the other men.
After, like, the whole, you know, they were on trial and all that, the one guy was being flown in an airplane, and they purposely flew him by the World Trade Center.
They took his blindfold off.
And the guy was like, see, they're still standing.
And the guy replied, if we had had more funding and time, they wouldn't be.
So, in your face truth, there's, you know, there's some evidence of this stuff.
And then, you know, later on we had the Bajinka plot.
But the 93 bombing, the memory of it would help.
A lot of people who didn't successfully survive 9-11.
It helped in the evacuation because some of the stuff they learned from that, like the glow-in-the-dark strips in the stairways and stuff.
But the memories of 93 also condemned a lot of people to death because some of the rescues in 93 were done on the roof.
The smoke was like six sub-levels below the North Tower in a sub-basement, a parking garage.
And the smoke went all the way 110 stories up.
And that was just from a car bomb.
And that killed six people.
Most of them were poor authority workers.
By the way, I'm going all off memory on all this shit, so there might be some errors.
World Trade Center was...
Owned by a joint venture between New Jersey and New York called Port Authority.
So it was almost like this weird little city-state or something.
You know what I mean?
There was a weird type of jurisdiction.
And then prior to 9-11, Larry Silverstein had just purchased a 99-year lease.
In fact, some of the paperwork was coming.
Threw on the 88th floor, and a woman was processing that paperwork when Flight 11 hit.
So this was an al-Qaeda operation, and al-Qaeda has a tendency to go for shock and awe, spectacle.
And some of their past, you know, their past MO has been to...
Cause an act of terrorism and destruction.
And then wait.
And then when people come to help or rescue or document, then a second attack comes in.
So this whole thing was very well engineered and organized.
And it was done as part of their typical MO. And that was to have as much happen in as little a time as period.
And a shock and awe in order to...
9-11 was a PSYOP, but just not the way the conspiracy theorists say that it was, but it was a PSYOP. And it started at 8.46 a.m., and that was Eastern Time.
Flight 11, flown by Mohammed Atta, hit the north face of the North Tower.
93 through 99, those were the floors that were shot.
I'm just gonna say, it's a perfect shot.
Like, you know, for people who are like, how did the towers go down?
He slammed that thing so hard, so fast, dead center, and it's just, you know, not to, I'm not saying good shot, I'm just saying he nailed the mission, you know?
And he was, he had, like, I think an engineering background in school.
And the way that the plane was angled, and you saw it more with the second plane, was that this was someone that was trying to increase the level of destruction.
A plane that just flies straight, you're not going to take out as much.
A plane that's angled, destructive.
And he did an excellent job because, as Haley said, Because when the plane entered, it severed the core of the building.
The core of the building is where the stairways were housed.
The elevators, anytime that there's any type of damage to a building, especially one with smoke and fire, you stay away from elevators.
A lot of those elevators were severed.
there were people who died in the elevators and there were some that escaped.
And what happened was the fire from the jet fuel that ignited when the plane hit the building went down these elevator shafts.
So that also, even if the electricity was still kind of working, that kind of fucked a lot of that.
I remember hearing that the...
The hijackers purposely picked planes that were going to California so that they would have full tanks.
More fuel.
Yeah, yeah.
And what happened was there was this really creepy line between life and death in the North Tower.
And that line was at floor 91. If you were on floor 92 or above, dead.
Dead, dead, dead.
Because the stairs were completely destroyed from floor 92 up.
And some of the people on, I think, the 91st floor recalled opening the stair to one of the...
There were three stairways opening one of the doors and looking up and just this hole that was plugged from above and impassable.
So, sadly for all those people, they were doomed.
17 minutes later, KQAnon, at 9.03 a.m., Flight 175 hit the south face of the South Tower.
It struck through floor 77 through 85. Now, why is this bad?
Well, the South Tower was the one that fell first.
Both towers were 110 stories tall.
What's the difference between floor 77 and floor 93?
That is a huge difference because all that gravity pushing down on above.
And that's why the South Tower fell.
Everyone's like, how could it fall first?
It was hit second.
It was hit lower.
And the damage, the plane took actually out more floors in the South Tower.
When it came in, somehow a Fuji Bank employee...
Stanley Primeth saw the plane coming right for him and yelled, God, you take over!
And leapt under his desk.
He survived.
And also you saw at the North Tower, at the impact zone, you saw Edna Sintron and an unidentified male standing near the impact.
That was one of the things that conspiracy theorists were like, oh, the fires could have been that hot because people were standing there.
Well, At the site of impact, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't the flames die out quicker?
Like, at the impact site?
Also, as far as heat or something, I don't know.
I know, like, in general, a lot of people have said, you know, that, like, it's suspicious.
It's like, you know, this isn't the way I would expect this to happen.
And, like, actual experts who, you know, who have looked into this, they're like, well, the problem is that we've never had...
Two airplanes crash into 210-story buildings that were built in the way the Twin Towers were built.
So we can't say what is or what isn't normal in a situation like this.
So it's all speculation as to, you know, is this the way it would have happened?
Yeah, and they were able to identify Edna Syndrome as the waving woman.
At the site of the impact.
And she is officially listed in the September 11th Museum.
They show the picture and they say, we have identified her as innocent Trump.
So I think that's kind of cool that, you know, that they have been able to...
Conclusively, I identify some of the fallers because I believe Edna was one of the fallers eventually.
Yeah, conspiracy theorists, you know, I know it's fun to kind of dig into things, but actually there's a lot of fun facts about 9-11 that I think you could find as equally as entertaining.
Like, fun fact, there are 69 archived videos of the second tower getting hit.
Fun fact, 69. Nice.
And there are a lot of 9s and 11s that come up in the timestamps, like 11 seconds after this plane hit and at 9.03.
If you want it to be a Tommy Numbers, you could have fun with that shit.
Remember I said I was watching all the live broadcasts in real time with the radio, with the plane flight.
It also had updates of what was happening.
On the plane, so it, like, had the timestamp of, like, when they were boarding, when it was hijacked, like, when they got this kind of, like, suspicious call-in on the flight radar confirming the hijacking.
That all plays.
That was Otta.
We have some planes.
Everybody please return your seats and we'll be okay.
Yeah.
And he meant to send that to the cabin.
But he sent it to the FAA by mistake.
So this is all playing in this interesting YouTube video that I was watching.
But on CNN, basically when it's confirmed hijacked, like the first plane, on CNN there's this commercial for some travel agency at the time, and it's this lady throwing a paper airplane out.
The window of a high-rise tower in New York and it flies through New York and then lands on the beach and says, I am coming for you.
And I'm like, that's interesting.
That's interesting.
That's a real thing.
You don't have to be conspiratorial.
It's just like, wow, isn't that weird in hindsight to see that?
I think I remember that commercial too.
And, you know, a lot of people talk about...
You know, oh, how Larry Silverstein was supposed to have breakfast at Windows of the World up on, like, floors 105 through 107 of the North Tower.
And they're like, and he just happened to cancel it.
He had a dermatologist appointment, but guess who was there on the Windows of the World?
One of, like, the head executives of the Port Authority.
So you're telling me, you know, oh, you know, the guy with the lease is saved, but the guy who basically runs the entire complex for him, it's okay for her.
He was a loose end to their loose change.
But one of the most interesting stories, and these are the things that you will miss out on if you focus on conspiracy theories.
And that's why I did my presentation, What Conspiracy Theories Steal From Us.
There are so many amazing stories.
Like, the man who was also an actor, and he was in an elevator alone, and he decided to test out that theory that if you can jump up and down in an elevator, you'll feel weightless.
And he was in mid-jump when the plane hit, and then the elevator got stuck.
So he passed his time by, like, reciting, like, stuff from, what is it, Don Quixote, the Man of La Mancha, or whatever.
Like, and he's quoting lines from it, because he used to be in that play.
And then he finally gets out.
That's a cool story.
And Stanley Pranemith, how he escaped with another man, Brian Clark.
And another man, the last man to leave the South Tower, Ron DeFrancesco.
He was saved by an unseen presence that lifted him as he was about to die and told him to go.
And that's called the third man syndrome.
And Brian Clark, during his escape...
He didn't know which stairway was open because there was one stairway that was passable from the top of the South Tower all the way to the bottom, but almost no one knew about it.
He heard a voice and felt a hand guiding him to the stairway, the only one that was open.
And it was first recorded by Shackleton, the Arctic explorer.
He imagined a fourth man with his party of three, and T.S. Eliot changed it to third man.
But there have been, and there are probably many more third man stories from 9-11.
And there's the story of Gwyneth Paltrow.
She was in that movie Sliding Doors about different realities and stuff.
She almost hit a woman who was rollerblading.
And the woman stopped and she's like, oh my god, Gwyneth Paltrow almost just hit me.
This is incredible.
That made her, that set her day off by 30 seconds.
And right as she was about to head to the North Tower, the plane had hit.
Yeah, she missed her train.
Because she, like, just missed her train and then, yeah, got fucked.
But yeah, amazing.
Yeah, yeah.
There are so many.
And, you know, I haven't come across any because I would imagine the people that...
Experience this scenario did not survive.
You have to imagine at one point in one of those towers, there were two people and they were like, we are fucked.
Let's fuck.
And I mean, I'm not trying to be crude, but like that had to, like there are all these little stories we'll never know about.
And there had been like hugs and people confessing and just things that they said that we never got to experience.
Like those are...
Those are the stories.
Even just the thought that that had to have happened, that two people banged at the end.
That's what makes it so incredible because it involves so many people and so many things.
So many moving parts.
All these stories.
God.
All the conspiracy theorists are missing out.
I'm not a fan of him.
I'm not a fan of Family Guy.
You know, Seth MacFarlane was supposed to be on one of the planes.
Hangover.
Yeah, he was hungover.
And I do think it is kind of interesting that he does have a lot of 9-11 jokes in Family Guy and kind of has a whole episode like, what if we stop 9-11?
Like, oh wait, it ruins, you know, butterfly effect kind of thing.
Like, it clearly haunts him.
That's huge.
Yeah.
I have a book.
It's AP News, September 11th.
It's like a coffee table book.
And there's a picture in there.
The person's name is Seth, but it's not Seth MacFarlane.
It's a picture of a man crying, sobbing his eyes out because he was supposed to be on Flight 11, but he was running late.
And that's, you know...
And one of the guys that was on the phone with, I think, Amy Sweeney, Robert, not Robert, his last name is Woodward, like the author guy, the reporter guy.
Bob Woodward?
Yeah, but that's not the same guy.
It's a guy that worked for, I think, United.
He had done, like, the pre-flight chat, like, the walkthrough of Flight 11 before it took off.
So he had this, like...
I was on that plane.
And, yeah.
And there are stories from a lot of people that would die that day, whether it was at the Pentagon, Flight 90, you know, any of the planes or at the World Trade Center, where they had what you might consider like a premonition of, like...
Just people just randomly having discussions about death that they wouldn't normally have, like, in the days or weeks beforehand.
I experienced that with my mom, too.
So, you know, who knows?
Maybe some part of us kind of has a hint before it happens.
I don't know.
But I think, above all else, 9-11 demonstrates the last era of the enemy without.
I've struggled with why I'm so obsessed with 9-11.
And I think part of it was the conspiracy theories and the reaction to that, the overcorrection.
But the escape from the towers, the fear of the oncoming death, the existential chaos of it all.
There's just something so powerful about it.
And to me, it also represents the last time the enemy was without.
It represented like maybe an eight-year period where the American flag wasn't a hate symbol.
Unless you're like Muslim.
I remember, because I was thinking about this, like, what you and what Mike had said, and it's stuff I had heard before about the whole before and after thing, because, like, there's been so many situations where I was, like, describing a story about something that I did, and somebody was like, how did you get away with it?
I'm like, it was before 9-11.
It was a different world back then.
Yeah, yeah, and you could board planes with, like, knives up to four inches and shit.
And you could buy a ticket three seconds before the flight took off.
Yeah, yeah.
And also, you know, they did the security.
Several of the terrorists had set off the Computer Assistant Passenger Screening Program, CAPS, at the Portland, Maine airport and I think at Boston.
And like, basically the procedure was, well, if you set off that system, they would just like wand you down.
Send you through, and they would hold your luggage until later, which is how we got some of the documents, because Mohammed Atta's, I think it was Mohammed Atta's luggage, was held off for a different flight, where that he would get a pickup ticket, and he would have to pick it up at the airport after he landed.
That's how we have some of the documentation from that stuff.
But yeah.
Because airport security was like...
Literally, it was a joke at the time.
I remember Dave Barry, the reporter from Florida, he wrote a book called Big Trouble, and it got made into a movie, and that got delayed because there's this whole plot thing where these two bumbling idiot criminals managed to carry a nuclear bomb onto an airplane because of how bad airport security was back then.
And the movie actually got, like I said, the movie got delayed.
There's another one of those movies that got delayed and stuff because of 9-11 because people are like, oh, this is a bit too soon to be making a joke about putting a bomb on an airplane.
Yeah, and well, here's a fun little coincidence for you.
The original X-Files debuted on February 10th.
Sorry.
September 10th, 1993. 1993 was the year that the World Trade Center was first bombed.
September 10th, one day before September 11th, the X-Files spinoff series, the lone gunman pilot, pun intended, episode, featured planes being flown into buildings via remote control.
It's conspiracy!
It literally is in on it!
I believe the World Trade Center was one of the buildings targeted.
It was among the buildings targeted.
I guess there was more than one building, obviously.
But yeah, I believe they said it's one of the things that got the show canceled after only 13 episodes was that people were like, ooh, ooh, bad timing.
I am an X-Files fan.
Well, it was before.
I am an X-Files fan.
It was like six months before, though, that was the thing.
Yeah, it literally was.
It was only months before 9-11.
And I had never seen The Lone Gunman.
I saw it when I got some of my wisdom teeth pulled because I was just laying in bed.
And I remember watching that and being like, what the fuck?
Because it is eerie how much it feels like 9-11.
And then you look into it and I think like the show's creator even had to come out with like a statement about it.
Like not, you know.
Yeah.
I remember, this is like a segue, but I remember that in the advertising campaign for The Hunt for Red October, they talked about how, I think in Tom Cliffs he wrote it, but they basically said that Clancy and all these other people were grabbed by the government and interrogated about the book.
He was on CNN on 9-11.
They interviewed him live on CNN that day.
Tom Clancy got picked up for Hunt for Red October because they thought he must have gotten his hands on documents about classified sea craft because he made some...
He got them from Stevie.
Basically, he took his own naval knowledge and then he talked to some sailors and from that he extrapolated what the inside of these classified vessels probably looked like and he did such a good job that the Navy was like, okay, somebody talk to Clancy.
We've got to find out who talked to him.
Same thing happened with Dr. Strangelove where Stanley Kubrick got questioned because he...
Because basically, you know, a big part of the movie takes place on a B-52 bomber, and the interior of a B-52 bomber was classified at the time, but he took a look at actual bombers that people could look at, and he just said, okay, the B-52 is this size, so if you just take the inside of this plane and expand it to the size of the interior of a B-52, this is what it would look like, and the Air Force was like, oh my god, he knows.
He knows what it looks like.
Yeah.
Oh, I checked.
Steve Pchenik did collaborate with Tom Clancy on Hunt for Red October.
So Steve Pchenik did contribute.
CVPs!
Stephanie, what other buildings are we going to be talking about in the next episode?
Well, and if you're a subscriber, and thank you very much for that, Mike and I had done a subscription episode on Building 7, but Building 7 is the big one, and I've heard a lot of non-truthers express concern about Building 7. And to anyone who has questions about Building 7, I encourage you to...
My tinyurl.com link that's on my Blue Sky and Twitter profile.
On there, I have a presentation of what conspiracy theories steal from us.
And I show you the damage side of Building 7. And that's what the conspiracy theorists won't show you.
And I actually even...
And there are debris field maps.
They did a gruesome...
Body part map.
They had to kind of make a map of where body parts were found and stuff.
And they also made a debris map that showed the explosive, like, missile-like, missile-like.
A tornado can turn something into a missile, okay?
So missile-like power of the debris.
And so many buildings were damaged.
So many buildings.
We're damaged.
Building 7 was just one of them.
And it took off like half.
Half of that building.
Like half of that building was gone.
Yeah, Marriott got completely taken out in the destruction.
Yeah, and some of the best footage is from a couple that were staying at the Marriott and just they got Some very powerful footage of the Tobin Plaza below, which is, was at the time covered with pieces.
I think I heard that's one of those things where it's where conspiracy theorists kind of cover up stuff in order to make their theory work because like...
The conspiracy theorists try to claim that the 9-11 Commission said that fire damage is what destroyed Building 7, when no, everyone who is investigating agrees it was debris falling from the buildings 1 and 2 that caused Building 7 to collapse.
Didn't it also catch fire, though?
Wasn't it also on fire?
Yeah, it caught fire.
It was a raging fire, and the fire was not put out because the debris had knocked out the sprinkler systems inside Building 7. So basically, you had this uncontrolled fire in this building for a long time, on top of the fact that the building had been damaged by debris.
And I'm stepping on the toes of next week's episode where we'll get into this more, but the short of it is that people knew Building 7 was going down before it went down.
The fire department and other people said, clear out, this building's probably going to go.
Silverstein even said, no more loss of life, pull it.
And pull it is not a commonly used demolition term, by the way.
I'm sorry, yeah, we're going to get into this next week, so I'll keep my mouth shut.
We'll keep it in our pants.
Next week, we'll...
We'll talk about the missile that hit the Pentagon.
We'll talk about how Building 7 was destroyed in order to stop Nasira from happening and offering all Americans unbridled wealth and prosperity because that bill did pass under George W. Bush.
And then they did 9-11 to prevent people from knowing about it.
That's some of the bullshit that people will tell you.
And then we get into W doing it and Iraq and Afghanistan and all that fun stuff and just how so much of the conspiracy world managed to glom onto this shit and create the modern day version of JFK through this event.
So, hope you enjoyed this episode.
Hope you'll enjoy next week's episode.
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Thank you all for listening.
Good speed, patriots!
Good speed, patriots!
Og så lurte jeg på, kan han fjernstyres på en eller annen måte?
Hei, Christine.
Med Rema-appen kan du nok ikke fjernstyre samvaren din.
Men ved å bruke handellista i appen, kan du søke opp og legge inn alle varene du ønsker, og dele og redigere handellista underveis.
Da blir jo handelturen enklere for begge to.
Mindre surr og bedre samhandling.
For det er slutsummen i Rema-appen.
Og kassaloppen som teller.
Hos Rema 1000. Altid lave priser.
In the beginning, there was blood.
And a code I learned from my father.
Learning my code was just the beginning.
Bringing it to life for the first time is a whole new story.
Dexter, original sin.
Ny serie.
Bare på Sky Showtime.
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