Adventures In HellwQrld Presents: PizzaGate Part 1: The 2016 Election
This week Mike, Haley, Steph, and Eric talk about how Pizzagate got started and it's impact on the 2016 election. What started as a desperate attempt to get the media to stop talking about the Access Hollywood tape ends up becoming a conspiracy theory about a pizza shop hosting a child trafficking ring. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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you you The Adventures in Hellworld podcast talks in-depth about QAnon.
While it's meant to be comedic informative, sometimes we have to get into things like child abuse and violence against people.
Listener discretion advised.
Hello, everybody.
I am Mike Rains, a.k.a.
Poker and Politics, and welcome to the brand new, super deluxe, better than ever, and other kinds of adjectives I'd use to describe this thing that's probably going to be a train wreck, Adventures in Hell World podcast.
This week I am joined, as always, by Haley, a.k.a.
Chaley, a.k.a.
Arizona Rightwatch.
Hello, listeners.
Hello, Anans.
I love cheese pizza.
Don't hold that against me.
Hello.
Hey, you didn't spend $65,000 on hot dogs the way I did.
I'm just a sick degen.
And I'm also joined by Eric, the Deep State Operative.
Hello, everybody.
I'm speaking to you live from my new job as the waiter at Comet Ping Pong.
So if you have any orders you'd like to make for walnuts or anything of that sort, please let me know.
Yes.
And we're also joined by Steph.
Hi, and I know who killed Seth Rich, but you have to subscribe to my substack to get that info.
They also know who killed that recent CEO, but they also are not spilling unless you subscribe to the substack.
Like and subscribe.
Like, comment, and subscribe, and you will learn about all kinds of murders.
However, I'll give you one for free.
JFK was murdered by Lee Harvey Oswald.
Bam.
Always going to work that in.
Just absolute sick.
Just mentally unbalanced, I am.
But anyhow, those who've been listening to the show for a million years, all 25 of you, we appreciate you.
Of course, half of you left when Elle quit the show.
So to the 12 of you who are still here, again, much appreciate you.
Thank you so very much for sticking with us.
But this week, I mean, Lord knows what poor timing on our part it was that we decided to do this when Cash Patel became the FBI's new director.
We had a lunatic murderer, a CEO of a health insurance company, and I'm sure the Anons had some opinions about that, and all the rest of it.
We decided weekly news, weekly stews!
It's time to do a deep dive into the actual nutjob stuff that the QAnon conspiracy people love so much.
And that meant that we are now going to do a multi-part investigation into Pizzagate and all the nonsense surrounding it.
Because Pizzagate was kind of the er QAnon.
Yes, Hayley?
I just want to say that I'm glad that we're not doing the weekly thing anymore because I feel like with Trump coming into office, like, it's going to become oversaturated with just constantly talking about Trump everywhere.
That I think it's good to kind of revisit the beginning days as we enter this new era and kind of see where some of these folks are now.
And, yeah.
Yeah, we got a good month or two before, you know, we start waking up every morning thinking, oh, what the fuck did he do this time?
So let's enjoy what we can.
Well, the real magic, the most magical of all days is going to be the day when J.D. Vance decides he's going to stop being a little bitch baby and decides to go for the 25th Amendment.
And then we're going to be like, oh, now it's really happening.
Oh, no.
Pizza Gang?
More like Matt Gaetz.
My favorite part about that was the clap into the microphone to wake anyone listening up.
You're just on the highway driving along, bopping.
They're just wham!
Boom!
Just like a big clap in your ear to just give you that little shot in the arm to wake you up in the morning.
So I hope you're listening to this on your morning commute and on your drive home because then you're like sitting there going, why?
Why'd you do that to me?
What was going on here?
But, yeah.
Boy, howdy.
Are we in for one hell of a four-year cascade of madness upcoming.
It's going to be truly special and magical, and I can't wait.
So that's going to be lovely.
But the fun part about all this is that we open with Pizzagate, which is, what started Pizzagate is basically kind of the question.
And the answer to that question is that on October 7th, 2016, one month before the 2016 presidential election, Donald Trump's floundering presidential campaign was hit with what appeared to be a death blow.
The Access Hollywood tape was released, and it contained Donald Trump making very crude comments about how he was basically a sexual predator who would sexually assault women at his leisure, and that because he was famous, it was totally okay for him to do this.
And so the already doomed to losing, there's no goddamn way he's beating Hillary Clinton campaign, now seemed to be facing an insurmountable scandal that was going to destroy it.
There were literal calls from Republicans for Trump to step down and for Mike Pence to limp across the finish line and maybe not give Hillary a 400 electoral vote landslide victory.
So, all of this is happening, and we're in a situation right now where the Trump campaign is desperate.
They need a Hail Mary, because if the press just talks about the Access Hollywood tape, we've only got a month before the election's over.
If the press is going to spend the next two weeks just talking about Donald Trump's sexual predator, he's dead on arrival.
This thing's in the bag for Hillary.
So, lo and behold, what happens?
Haley!
Chaley!
Also, I just want to say in this modern era with TikTok and the recent election, there was a lot of younger folks asking like, okay, how did this guy get elected after this tape was released?
Because it was a bunch of people who were still kids when Trump was first elected, now kind of coming into political consciousness.
And they're like, how did this not ruin his whole political career?
Oh, like, what's really funny is that basically because Republicans were stuck with him is the only reason why it didn't ruin him.
If this came out during the Republican primary, say hello to Republican nominee Rafael Ted Cruz or maybe Marco Rubio.
I mean, boy howdy.
Like, this was the kind of thing that Republicans were waiting for the entire 2016 primary.
They just thought Donald Trump was going to just explode into a ball of self-annihilation.
And they were just waiting to gather up all his voters after that happened.
That's why they kid-gloved him for way too long.
And then when he just didn't blow up, they were like, oh, no.
Oh, no.
He's actually going to win the nomination.
Oh, we're in a lot of trouble here, guys.
Oh, no.
So, yeah, the timing of the Access Hollywood tape was literally perfect for Trump.
because if it was later, it would have killed him.
And if it was earlier, it would have killed him.
It landed at exactly the right time, because the Trump campaign, as it turned out, had an ace in the hole.
They had their buddies in WikiLeaks who had their hot little hands on some information that they immediately rushed out to the media after the Access Hollywood tape came out in an effort to change the narrative and an effort to get people talking about something else.
And what that was, was the Podesta emails, as they're known now.
And the Podesta emails, that's what they're called in the mainstream.
And the mainstream media loved it because there was talk about how the Hillary campaign didn't really like Bernie.
And there was Rosetto recipes.
I mean, who doesn't like a nice Rosetto recipe?
And there was all kinds of other dumb shit in there that really didn't have any meaning of anything.
But...
It gave them something to talk about.
And it was a scandal about how they got hacked and what happened, what Dum Dum gave up this information to let this breach happen and all that good stuff.
And it also led down to some dark corners like Julian Assange talking about how...
Yeah, I got this information from Seth Rich.
Guess what happened to him?
Ain't that a thing?
And on and on.
And that was the mainstream side of Pizzagate.
that we had people talking about this stuff from the side of, well, this is another way to show that Hillary's not very good with sensitive information because her campaign got hacked, just like her private email server, which, again, was the most pivotal thing in the 2016 election, was the most pivotal thing in the 2016 election, was the integrity of an email server.
Man, to live in such halcyon days when we could complain about such niche topics.
It's funny, too, because I feel like there's a steady stream of, like, this chat leaked with all these powerful people, including elected officials, This phone was hacked.
This, you know, J.D. Vance phone hacked.
Trump phone hacked.
There's so many hacks that constantly happen and it just didn't blow up in this way.
Oh no, like, yeah, like literally our media in this election was told, oh yeah, by the way, Iran hacked the shit out of the Trump campaign, but we're just going to publish it because that would be dishonorable.
And it's like, what happened in the last eight years to make you change your mind on this shit?
Because, oh boy, howdy, you people couldn't wait to start publishing all the Bethesda emails.
Boy, that was breathless media coverage 24-7 about that stuff.
Elon banned people like Ken Klippenstein when he reported about the Vance dossier.
Because free speech means you can't snitch on my bros.
What are you talking about?
So this is going to bring us to Steph, our resident conspiracy believer.
You were a 9-11 truther and all that fun stuff.
You said you never really got in the pizza gate.
So why is that?
Well, for me, I was always kind of like, even as a kid, very questioning of Christianity.
So.
And I was always into the occult and paranormal.
I read the Satanic Bible.
I had friends who were Satanists.
I know, to this day, several people who were involved in the OTO out in PA. So, like, this shit doesn't faze me.
I know what real Satanism is.
You know?
And actually, the tenets of LeVay's Satanism are pretty damn similar to some conservative ideology.
So, you know.
But I knew Satanists aren't like that.
Some people have killed in the name of Satan.
There's no ritual sacrifices and shit like that.
You know?
So, that was the first thing I identified.
It was like...
And my first thought was, David Icke talked about all this shit.
Like, this is just David Icke all over again.
So, knowing Satanists, knowing about Satanism, that...
And also, I was like a supporter of the West Memphis Three since the first Paradise Lost movie came out on VHS. VHS. So...
I saw the similarities of what that was.
And, like, I was like, well, Hillary's a bitch, but why would she...
Like, why would you do this?
And, yeah, some of these photos in these quote-unquote documentaries are suspicious and weird.
But also...
These are rich people.
The only difference between crazy and eccentric is a few million dollars.
So, you know, and just the pictures of the art, the art of hysteria.
They're like, oh, it looks like a Dahmer victim.
So?
Like, so, what you think John Podesta actually like?
I don't know.
It's Some of the arguments they were making really clashed with me, and I'm like, so Miley Cyrus had a picture taken in a bed that looks like a pizza.
You know, it's just, the whole thing, I was like, this is just, but I still watched them.
I considered the possibility, but just knowing what I knew about Satanism and Satanic Panic, And David Icke, I was like, this is just the same.
I don't really believe in the...
I never believed in the child-sacrificing trafficking rings, because those have been around.
I first started hearing about that shit when I was a kid.
Sorry if that was so long.
No, no, no.
Heavens no.
No.
I was just going to say that, like, I really didn't get into Pizzagate when it happened in real time because I don't...
I was kind of not...
Monitoring the Illuminati as intensely as I had been back then.
Because I was a 9-11 nut.
I got out of being a 9-11 nut.
I monitored the Illuminati for a bunch of years.
When we were doing our show notes and building up what we're going to do for this episode, we...
I believe it was Steph pointed out like Vigilant Citizen had a bunch of stuff about Pizzagate and all this kind of stuff.
And I was like, oh man, Vigilant Citizen.
That's like a comfy old sweater that you just found in the back of your room after a few months just forgetting about it.
I was like, man, I love it.
I literally night scrolled.
I was like, yes, I can't wait to go through this slop again.
I never heard of them.
Oh, that's the thing that's so funny is I knew about Vigilant Citizen for a long time.
They're like OG Illuminati stuff.
They predate QAnon by quite a while.
So I was just like, man, this is awesome.
And, um, I also remember getting into a guy who...
He went by the handle A Call for an Uprising on Twitter, and that guy is just absolutely insane.
He's totally nuts.
And I checked in on him a little while ago, and he was totally Q-pilled.
He hated Q for a long time, and I assumed that his views on YouTube were not going up.
And then he was like...
Maybe I should try this Q stuff.
And then boom, I'm sure that helped him out a little.
Becoming an Anon is a great way to get yourself some clicks.
But my favorite part about Call was that he had one episode.
It was a satanic panic episode.
It was like some animal got murdered on some campus and he was losing his mind.
And like the whole episode he was screaming.
And the comments were, great episode, dude, but take a breath, or great episode, dude, but you need to calm down.
And it was like, man, when an audience that is on Alex Jones' levels of being captured and psychotic is even telling the host, breathe.
Slow it down.
Find your waterfall.
I was like, wow, this was a powerful episode that this guy lost his mind that aren't on.
So...
I was more on the surface level of, oh, this is so dumb.
Why are we talking about this stuff?
There's nothing in these emails.
Yes, the DNC and the Hillary campaign had animosity with the Sanders campaign.
That's what a primary is.
This is not breaking news.
This is not some shocking twist.
So, like, all of that was basically my reactions to this stuff.
I knew that Michael Flynn was talking about Pizzagate, and I had heard about that, but I didn't learn about Frazzledrip and all the rest of the deep-cut stuff inside Pizzagate until much later, when I sort of backfilled into Pizzagate when I became a QAnon expert!
Which is the saddest thing any human being has ever said in the history of the world.
But yeah.
Go ahead.
I have a weird early interaction with Pizzagate.
Because obviously I'm incredibly online.
But I noticed it at an early days...
At a Take Back the Night protest, which is an anti-sexual assault protest.
And I noticed a woman's sign there, like, mentioned...
It was a completely reasonable, normal sign, and this is a completely normal, reasonable, like, protest that's, like, a long-running kind of protest.
Um...
But it mentioned, like, untested rape kits, and then at the bottom said, hashtag, look up Pizzagate.
And I always thought that that was just a fascinating early, like, way I saw it in the wild.
Eric, have you ever seen, what was your early interaction with Pizzagate?
You got anything?
I kind of settled into it from the mainstream media side because I was always more focused on the more old school stuff, you know, the Area 51 and HAARP and, you know, chemtrails and all that stuff.
So I wasn't really paying attention to what was going on, like what was new and fascinating in the conspiracy world.
But I was very closely following the 2016 election.
So when suddenly everybody is talking about John Podesta and his emails, then I started looking into it.
And my first thought was kind of the same thing.
It was like, oh, it's more satanic panic bullshit.
But then they started really, really digging down into it.
I'm hearing all this stuff.
And then I watched it for a while.
I paid attention to...
The guy who we'll bring up eventually, you know, Edgar Welch.
And then I kind of faded out from it.
And then, like, about a year later, I started hearing about this new thing called QAnon.
And I'm like, what's QAnon?
And they start telling me a little bit about it.
I'm like, oh, it's just Pizzagate?
And I'm like, oh, no, no, it's so much more than Pizzagate.
And so that's when I really started digging down into this stuff.
Yeah, that was basically my reaction to QAnon was when I was hearing about it.
I just said, this sounds like the Illuminati with Trump as a hero.
And then it took me longer than I would care to acknowledge to find the Q drops and start reading them and start finding QAnon counts.
I'm like, this is exactly what this is.
This is just the Illuminati with Trump as a hero.
This is so dumb.
How is this new?
How is anyone finding this interesting?
I remember I kept hearing about the Q-drops for a long time before I actually saw one, and I'm sitting there and I'm listening to people talking about, I don't know, do you guys remember this one guy named Clay who was on, I think he was on Parler for a long time?
He would write these long screens that were nearly incomprehensible because he had zero typing skills whatsoever.
But anyway, I'm going afield.
So I keep hearing about the Q-drops, and in my head I'm building this mental picture from all these websites I went on from the 90s, like TimeCube and all this stuff.
Oh god, TimeCube.
Oh man.
And so I'm picturing, okay, this is probably going to be some vaguely worded stream of consciousness bullshit, and then I finally find a Q-drop, and I'm like, oh my god, it's exactly what I thought it would be.
I just couldn't believe that this was like, people were like, oh, this is it.
This is the deep truth.
And I'm like, my God, this is the same bullshit I've been reading for 30 years now.
Yeah, that's what's so mind-blowing about all of it is just the whole fact that this is, it's all rehashed.
It's all just the bad guys or these bad people who are doing bad things.
And that's the thing about Pizzagate was that You kind of were using Trump as the protagonist, but not really.
It was more sort of like you were alluding to Trump being like, wow, Hillary and Podesta and all these creeps at Common Ping Pong are doing some bad stuff.
Wouldn't it be great if she didn't become president?
And the alternative, of course, is Trump becoming president.
Go ahead, Steph.
For me, this is the thing that...
I just need to say this.
The thing that gets me about Pizzagate, and I'm taking it to a whole serious level here, is aside from the innocent restaurant owners, because Comet was not the only one that was targeted.
They were just the most well-known one.
Aside from that and all the other people that...
Hillary's a bitch.
But she ain't guilty of this shit.
Aside from those people who became victims of this bullshit, even people out there right now who don't know what Pizzagate is for some reason, if they're victims of any kind of abuse, physical, mental, emotional, or sexual, no matter what age, they are a victim of Pizzagate too.
Because what Pizzagate does, and I'm saying this, As a survivor of multiple forms of abuse myself, when you are abused, you are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories because of the trauma response, number one.
And because of that abuse, you're more able to relate to these ideas of trafficking.
That, you are being, as an abuse survivor, and also one of the biggest purveyors of Pizzagate, Was a victim of a sexually transmitted disease from a disloyal partner.
And that messed with her head.
And she got sucked.
It's all a form of abuse.
And she was on painkillers when she got into this stuff.
And I just...
Pizzagate abuses victims of actual real abuse.
That needs to be said because that pisses me off and that's what pisses me off without QAnon.
You have a massive victim to abuser spiral.
And the thing is, is that on some level, Liz Kroken is a victim, but she is also a massive abuser because she's turned this around and it's her whole identity now.
She is the Pizzagate lady.
And we will have a deep dive into her later on in the series because it would be impossible not to.
I think that's why it's not, like, entirely bizarre that one of my first interactions with Pizzagate, like, seeping in the real world, was at an anti-sexual assault protest.
Because I think that person was generally, like, lib, lefty.
But they got likely sucked into this conspiracy through other avenues, not so much maybe far right kind of stuff.
I mean, who knows?
I'm projecting.
But personally in my own life, the one person that I do know that's kind of like sucked into, was sucked into Pizzagate and then later QAnon herself kind of had a...
Rough time when she was younger.
And yeah, I can totally see why she personally falls in these conspiracies.
So yeah, I think it's pretty common.
As Stephanie said.
Your story is what sparked that thought in my head.
I was like, yeah, it makes sense that you would encounter this at a women's rights event.
And that's one of the things about QAnon and these movements is that they start with reasonable ideas and stuff that makes sense to normal people.
And then they try to rope you in.
They throw out that lure and then they start to catch a fish with it.
Because I remember, I forget what podcast it was, but they were talking about how you would go to a rally and the rally would begin by talking about saving the children and about victims of trafficking and victims of abuse.
And then by the end of the rally, you're screaming about Bill Gates microchipping people through the COVID vaccine.
And you just lead people down this road of these people are abusing children and they're the global elites.
And by the way, the global elites also control COVID and they also control the vaccine.
And it's like the kids are just one part of a bigger puzzle.
And we're going to fill the rest of that puzzle in for you.
And now that you know the truth...
Now you know that in order to save the children, you have to keep people unvaccinated because if they get the COVID vaccine, they're gonzo.
So, I mean, it's just that mentality of, it's like a slippery slope, but it's just this way where you just slowly guide people down the path from reality and rational concerns to crazy town.
And you just try to make that subtle so people don't notice, oh, I'm going to crazy town.
Because if they see it, they'll pull away.
They'll reject it.
It's the whole thing that red-pilling guides talk about, where hide your power level.
Find common ground with the new target.
Don't just walk in and be like, you know who's gotten a bum rap?
Adolf Hitler!
Because if you do that, then you're probably not going to win over much of the room.
Gotta build up to the whole Hitler equal good thing.
Takes a little while.
Maybe that's like a session five conversation to have.
We're on session one right now.
Let's stick to the kids and staving them.
And unsurprisingly, cults operate the exact same way.
I remember when I was in school, my religion teacher, I went to Catholic school just to clear that up, but my religion teacher was telling me about how he met an old friend of his who would become a Mooney.
And he said what they do is they say, hey, come on over.
Come play volleyball with us.
Have some fun.
So you're sitting there.
You're playing.
You're sweating.
Here, have a drink.
You look tired.
And then they talk to you.
And they had pretty girls come by and sit by you and everything.
And then a few hours in, they're like, hey, you know what sucks?
The government.
And they just kind of worm their way in from there.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So anyhow, now it's time to throw it to Eric to talk about John Podesta.
Who is this man?
What happened here?
What's going on?
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Okay, so...
John Podesta was...
On paper, he's one of those elites that the right's always talking about.
He was chief of staff for Obama, I believe.
And then he worked on Hillary's campaign, did a lot of work.
He was a mover and shaker and had some really, really weird tastes in art.
But I think we'll get into that a little bit later.
We'll talk about it.
Who likes some of the art?
Can we admit to liking some of the art?
Am I the only one?
Is it just me?
It's not my question.
I like it.
I like it.
I'm very meat and potatoes when it comes to art.
Give me a nice painting or something.
Performance pieces, they just go right over my head.
Give me HR Giger any day.
I like weird art.
I know that if weirdos ever got a hold of my house, they'd bake all the weird art I have in my house.
I like weird art.
And that's one of the things that always gets me about this stuff is that these people will claim to be free speech absolutionists and then they will turn around and be like, what's this art?
The only way you can enjoy this is if you're a pederast.
This is obviously degenerate sick art.
And I'm just looking at them saying, but you're a free speech absolutionist.
I should be allowed to enjoy any art I want.
It's all free speech.
And then they're just like, yeah, if you like that, you're a pederast.
That's how this works.
Bad art equals pedophile.
And I just sit there thinking, I don't think that means you're really that much into free speech.
That sounds like you really just want to deny the Holocaust and not get yelled at.
So...
QAnoners hate art and they hate books and they misinterpret every movie and that's a fact.
I am obsessed with all the art that the QAnon folks always bake because a lot of times it's just like mother sharing sketches of her and her child as she goes through motherhood and it's just like a crappy sketch and they interpret it as like pedophilia.
You know?
It's just like they have no taste for art.
That is a core crux of QAnon.
I mean, that's reactionaries, you know, in general.
It's, you know, the artists, the intelligentsia are the first targets always for them.
100%.
Yeah.
Yeah, so enough of Podesta's nonsense art.
Let's talk more about him, because boy howdy.
We were on the rails for five seconds, and then we were like, no, the art!
The art!
We must...
No, we can't tell people who John Podesta is.
He has weird art.
And it's like, so, John Podesta, noted art weirdo.
Continue.
So, um, So where I started looking at all this was, where was it?
Here we go.
I was looking at it from the Fancy Bear angle.
Are we ready to go into that?
Or do we want to stick with Podesta for now?
I wanted to stick with Podesta so people understood who he is and why.
Because Podesta is one of the three people that was the first indictments in QAnon.
This guy is just reviled by these people.
His arrest was supposed to be the harpinger of the storm itself.
Who is this unelected, schmucky dude who just hangs out with the Clintons and why is he so offensive to these people?
I mean, why is it Mike?
Why is he so offensive?
I really don't know.
You know, he is kind of just a schmuck who I, you know.
That was the thing.
I mostly knew that he was just in the Hillary campaign.
He was one of her advisors.
He was a strategist for her.
And that he was the guy that got hacked in the comment ping pong thing.
So I... Like I said, before that, he worked with Obama, too.
I mean, he's like one of those...
Like I said, he's one of the elites that QAnon always talks about.
He succeeded John Kerry as a top U.S. climate diplomat.
That makes him, obviously, scum of the world.
But that's recent.
Yeah, he...
He was chief of staff for Clinton.
Bill.
So yeah.
I think I said Obama, but yeah, I meant Bill Clinton.
Just one of those general elites.
So basically, man, look at how unbelievably prepared we were for this.
We were like, so John Patesta, yeah, what was about him?
Well, he's a guy.
He is kind of just a guy.
But this was one of the things, is that there's an email, and I believe it was from John Podesta, who talked about how they were going to have a fundraiser at Comic Ping Pong.
And this email leads to...
It was from James Elefantis to John Podesta.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I know a little bit about that.
So it was...
James Elefantis, he's the guy who owns Comic Ping Pong.
And...
He's also kind of a mover and shaker within the Democratic circles.
He does a lot of organizing.
He has several restaurants, not just common ping pong.
But yeah, there was an email where he told...
He told Podesta, yeah, I'm having some people over to do a fundraiser.
It was for the Obama campaign, the 2012 one.
And he said that he was going to have some people over there going to raise between $25,000 and $35,000, and they would really like him to come by and speak.
And then the email also mentioned, he also said, you know, I know you guys are doing, I know you're going to be doing, what did they call it?
The Politics and Pros.
But he was going there to do a talk and he's like, why don't you come by to one of my places afterwards?
So yeah, people are looking into this and they're assuming that he's setting up some clandestine meeting where they're going to, you know, sacrifice children or something.
But it's just this completely innocuous email about, hey, I got some people coming over and they'd love to hear from you.
And then, oh, by the way, let me promote my restaurants to you while I'm at it.
And what an unfortunate decision to promote his email, his restaurants in these emails turned out to be, because this was what gave Pizzagate a physical location for where the crimes were happening.
And this is one of the things that Liz Crokin and other Pizzagate promoters will try to do, and I don't know that we really have a subject hashed out for this, like a conversation block for this, but...
One of the big things about Pizzagate is that Pizzagate promoters hate talking about it just being Comet Ping Pong.
And once we get to the shooting, and so as a result, they try to make Pizzagate into this sort of ephemeral vibe that Pizzagate is Nexium.
Pizzagate is Epstein.
The sound of freedom was about Pizzagate.
Child trafficking in Pizzagate are just synonyms in this telling of the story.
And that's not true.
Pizzagate is a very specific thing.
It is about Hillary Clinton and John Podesta running a child trafficking ring out of the basement of a pizza joint that doesn't have a basement.
That's why the story is so laughable and dumb, because it's objectively false.
The Hillary logo that they used for the flyer for that event at that fundraiser is the H with a pizza instead of an arrow.
Like, the arrow is a pizza.
I bet she never used that again, but it's so funny to look at in the current.
It was a pizza.
There was a little swirly triangle symbol.
It was just bad news all around.
Yeah.
That would have been awesome.
Oh my god, if only all of that had happened.
Boy howdy.
Yeah.
But what I was saying before is that Podesta was this big get in the QAnon world for being a guy that had to bring him down to destroy the deep state.
So Q pops up out of nowhere, talks about Hillary getting arrested, starts talking about Huma and all this other nonsense, and the Q drop that's basically the one that it promises the big payoff is Q drop 15,
and it literally says Podesta will be indicted on November 3rd, and this is 2017. So, like, you can just see that Q is just taking Pizzagate and stealing it and putting a new coat of paint on it and telling us, oh yeah, by the way, that guy you hated a year ago from Pizzagate, yeah, we're going to throw him in jail.
We're going to get that guy.
He's going down.
It's all good.
We're going to get John Podesta.
Oh, and also, Q didn't mean November 3rd, 2017. He meant some indeterminate year in the future.
Yeah.
Yes, yes.
Oh yeah, we'll get him when we get him.
You just calmed down.
We didn't make any promises.
According to Podesta's Wikipedia, last sentence in his personal life, it says, Podesta is an avid cook.
Hmm?
Hot dogs?
Pizza?
That's the thing, and it comes up a lot in a lot of the emails.
He talks about cooking all the time, and these people are trying to find some secret code, and it's like, no, the dude's just making Italian food.
Okay, foodie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just a dude trying to make a nice veal parmesan.
He's just trying to do something and people are like, what does it really mean?
What is he trying to say?
It's like, what's a veal parm?
I don't know what to tell you.
One thing I mean, there was one particular email I saw, and this kind of dovetails into the food code thing, which we'll probably get into more detail later.
But there was one email where somebody was asking him, is this true?
Like, somebody's telling me that there's pasta with a walnut sauce.
And Podessa's like, oh, yes, yes, it's from this region of Italy.
And they're all...
The bakers are all blowing their minds because apparently in their world, walnuts means I want a minority to rape or something like that.
The original walnut sauce was adrenochrome because it was like the adrenal gland looks like a walnut and the sauce from the adrenal gland is obviously the adrenaline.
So there's a lot of different translations of walnut and walnut sauce in the right-wing lexicon, which is not surprising when you're just making shit up to entertain yourself.
That's all this is.
That's all this is.
So, we have John Podesta and we have his weird, creepy art, which...
A lot of the art that people are talking about they haven't confirmed that it's in his collection and the other issue about this is that he didn't make the art.
He didn't paint these things.
He didn't create these things.
This is art made by other artists and there's like the one painting it's like a bunch of small children and they're all like wearing like tighty whitey underwear and they're like Their backs are to the camera so you can see their butts.
And there's all this anger about it.
And this is obviously pedophilic.
And the actual artist is a woman.
I believe she's from Eastern Europe.
And it was her own feelings of trying to deal with her sexual trauma that she dealt with in her life and just her way of processing and dealing with that.
And They don't want to talk about those things.
They don't want to talk about the actual artists.
They just want to say, this art is sick, and Podesta is sick for having it, because that's how they operate.
Um, there's one piece that they seem to focus on a lot, which is the headless sculpture that's, like, got the arched back.
Stephanie, you can probably explain this one a bit.
Um, I think it's kind of cool.
It's like a hanging body, painted gold, and it doesn't have a head.
Some people claim it's a Dahmer reference, but I don't think that, I don't...
Yeah, Stephanie, you wanna...
I, I, well, yeah, I know the photo that they are referring to.
I forget the victim's name, but there was...
A victim that I guess Dahmer had a Polaroid of.
The victim kind of arched backwards.
I can't remember if they were actually headless or not, but I knew exactly the photo that they meant.
But the name of the statue is the Arch of, or arc of hysteria, which I was, I was like, oh my god, fifth element.
That was the first thing that came to my mind.
That's the exact thing that, and she looks like she's about to break her neck.
And, you know, and she looks good doing it too.
But, so it's like, I, I, I don't, I mean, if the name of the statue was, like, Hidden Secrets, you know, something like that.
Because I would, if I made a statue like that, I would name it something that would make people suspicious.
But that's just me.
There's nothing weird about it.
And if you are actually engaged in that physical, like, feat, It's going to look like you don't have a head.
I just don't get it.
I mean, rich people be crazy, right?
Yeah, I mean, again, the whole point of it is you just...
You have an implication.
You have the idea that something is bad and there has to be a deeper thing behind that badness.
Because what I always talk about when it comes to Pizzagate is we don't have a single name of a victim.
We don't have a single name of a witness to any crime.
We don't have any physical evidence of crimes.
We have nothing of any of these things.
All we have is people looking at various pieces of art that John or his brother might own, and then just throwing your hands at the art and going, doesn't this look bad?
And that's not a persuasive argument.
That's not a way to get a search warrant or an indictment.
I've seen people...
It was probably Liz Crogan, but she said something to the effect of, Aliphantus's Instagram post should be worthy of a warrant.
And it's like, why?
What...
What's there that is so incriminating that it reaches the level of probable cause where you now need to get a warrant to search?
What do we have?
What is the actual evidence on your side on this issue?
And they can never talk about that.
They can never explain it.
They just want to tell you, this looks bad.
This bad thing has to just be the tip of an iceberg.
There has to be more terrible things under the surface that we're just not seeing.
So we totally bombed on John Podesta.
Bad form us.
Let's talk about Fuzzy Bear.
Let's talk about WikiLeaks.
Hopefully we can do better on that front.
Alright, so a lot of what I found out about Fancy Bear, as it relates specifically to the Podesta emails, comes from the Mueller report.
So we didn't know a lot of this until long after Pizzagate was, you know, everything had happened.
So Fancy Bear, they're also known as...
It's either APT or maybe Apartment, but it's APT28. So if you're talking to your friends about this and you feel silly calling them Fancy Bear, you can call them APT28. So they're a Russian-based group of hackers.
There's...
There's no confirmation, but there's rumors that they're connected to the GRU, which if you don't know who the GRU is, they're basically Russia's KGB, now that they're not the Soviet Union anymore.
That's their intelligence community, the GRU. So, these guys are...
They specialize in phishing and credential harvesting, which are two somewhat related forms of attack.
Phishing is like when you get one of those emails that I'll, you know, like one example I saw was the Nigerian Prince scam.
That's a phishing scam.
You get an email saying, hey, give me some personal information and you'll get a boatload of money from it.
Don't ask any questions.
Credential harvesting is more like they get their hands on a big block.
If you get an email saying there's been a data breach from your credit card company or something, what goes on with that is since people have a tendency to use the same password for a lot of different things, if they get, say, the password that you use to log on to your credit card website, then that might also be where you go to log on to your bank and other stuff.
So that's what Fancy Bear, what they specialize in.
And they tend to focus on defense ministries and military targets, largely here in the U.S. and Western Europe, but all over the place, too.
But that's why they think they're part of the Russian intelligence, is because they mostly focus on military targets.
They're not going after guys like you and me.
So, in March of 2016, they gained access to John Podesta's emails through a spear phishing hack.
Spear phishing is a version of phishing where you've probably seen emails like this.
For like a month, I would get three emails a day from Amazon telling me that the credit card for my Prime membership was declining and I needed to click this suspicious link to get...
Excuse me, sorry about that.
Very professional operation we're running here.
But saying, you know, click this link and give us your credit card information and we'll fix your Amazon Prime account.
So that's what spear phishing is.
And how they do that a lot of times is they'll create this link and when you click on it, it'll grab the email address that it came from.
So that way, when it pops up, it'll look like an Amazon link, it'll have your name and your email address on it and it looks legit.
So, John Podesta got one of these saying that his Google account had been compromised and he had to change his password.
He thought it was a little suspicious, so he sent it over to the IT department for, I believe, for the DNC. He got an email back saying it was legitimate.
Now, the thing is, the guy who sent it later on, he said, oops, I meant to write illegitimate in the email.
That's hilarious.
That's fucking funny.
Yeah, Pizzagate could have been avoided because of a typo.
This one dipshit in the IT department is the reason we have to suffer through another four years of Trump.
One little dipshit.
Yeah, I hope he's got fired over that.
It's literally, you had one job.
You had one job.
It killed me when I saw that.
I'm like, oh my, I'm like, seriously?
The guy wrote legitimate instead of illegitimate?
And that's why we're doing it?
Or maybe that's just what he said to cover his ass.
Well, I mean, it's too late now.
I mean, it's just, but it's one of those things where...
This little fuck-up leads to all these things down the road.
It's this massive butterfly effect.
It's just this kind of thing that you...
It's the sort of thing that really drives people nuts, which is why they buy into conspiracy theories, because you don't want to think something so dumb as this could have such a massive impact on the world at large.
It's just why it feels more comfortable to us to imagine that These all-powerful people are moving to pieces around the global chessboard, fighting each other for checkmate and all this nonsense, instead of literally John Potesta emails the IT guy and says, yo, should I reply to this?
And that guy says, yeah!
And he's like, oh shit, I meant no!
I meant no!
Oh no!
Oh no!
And that man's name was Hitler.
I mean, you can't spell Hitler without IT. It's the meme with all the rominoes getting bigger and it's just like, if he misspells something, Trump wins the president.
I mean, literally, it is like that butterfly effect movie where they go back in time and someone steps on a bug and then the world is destroyed.
And it's also why conspiracy theorists hate Trump.
Randomness, because then they have to confront themselves with the belief that, oh, so literally being nice to someone could stop a mass murder, like later on that day maybe.
You never know.
Maybe I should be nice to people and stop being self-centered.
No, I'm not going to do that.
That's what part of it...
I don't want to have to be nice to people and think that we're all connected.
Well, I think that might be a little extreme, but on a smaller, much more obvious level, if Marina Oswald had taken her husband back, he probably wouldn't have shot the president the next day.
Way to bring it back to JFK. Always gonna.
Always gonna.
That's the way this works.
But it's just that.
It's just the fact that we hate living in a world of arbitrary bullshit.
Because that's the world I dwell in.
You just look at all these people in all the comments under an Oliver Stone JFK movie clip or whatever psychotic conspiracy theory video you read, and people are just like, there was no way he was going to survive that triangulation of crossfire, blah, blah, blah.
And people just want to imagine that Dr. Strange is looking at Kennedy's limo going through Dallas and just saying, yep, that guy's a goner, when it's not true.
There's so many different just inflection points that could have changed everything there.
The same way there are so many inflection points that changed the course of Pizzagate and thus the course of the 2016 election.
If you look at all the things that break down over the course of things, our timeline is just total random.
It's unrepeatable.
It's just like if a bunch of dipshits that are talking to the German Chancellor don't think to themselves, yeah, we can control Hitler.
It's okay if we give him a little taste of power.
It won't get out of hand.
If those people are like, oh, no, no, we can't trust this guy.
he can go fuck right off, then that doesn't happen.
World War II is totally different if it even happens at all.
Just there's so many different things that happen.
Nothing is set in stone.
There's no series of events that has absolutely got to happen because they don't.
It's just not the way it works.
And here we have John Podesta getting fished.
And the next thing you know, suddenly his chicken parm recipes are being investigated to see if there's...
If Hail Satan is in it, if you look at it the right way, if you trace an hourglass over the email, does it contain text from the Satanic Bible?
I mean, it's just all that sort of stuff.
So...
So he gets hacked, and from there we go to our buddy Julian Assange, a totally straight shooter, an honest broker, a man you can trust.
And correct me if I'm wrong, didn't some of the Seth Rich stuff get, like, wasn't Roger Stone like an intermediary for something at one point?
Yeah, well, he claimed that he was talking to a guy who I'm going to bring up in a minute, and then later on he said that he, that's why he went to jail, because he lied to Congress about, he tried to make himself sound like he was more important than he was in this whole thing.
But, so, back to where I was.
Well, I knew we would get side-railed by the illegitimate thing, but I didn't think it would be that much.
But, okay, so, there's a Twitter account called DCLeaks, which is believed to be Russian intelligence.
They have the Podesta emails, and they're trying to give it to WikiLeaks.
But there's some back and forth, like, I don't know, somebody missed a response or something.
So after a while, this guy named, I think it's pronounced Guccifer 2.0.
I thought maybe because of the way it's spelled, maybe it's Gucci fur, but Guccifer rolls off the tongue a lot easier, so that's just what I'm going to say.
No, wait, Gucci fur is hilarious.
It's actually, it's Guccifer, but Gucci fur is really funny.
The devil wears Gucci fur.
So, this guy who is also believed to be Russian intelligence, this guy's in himself a Romanian hacker, he reaches out to DCLeaks and says, hey, WikiLeaks has been trying to get a hold of you.
So, they all get together.
So, DCLeaks sends the info over in September.
And Julian Assange gets these emails and sits on them.
Um...
WikiLeaks reached out to Goose for 2.0, because they were trying to get some stuff on Hillary.
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And so Eric was talking about Guccifer, and while he was doing that, his internet exploded, and we all hung around for a little while, and he got back in, and then his internet exploded and we all hung around for a little while, and he And then he texted us and said, I don't know what's going on with my internet, and my dinner is ready.
So farewell to Eric.
It was nice knowing you.
The Russia took him out.
Yes, that does seem likely.
It does seem likely that Vladdy Daddy, very mad at the fact that Syria is collapsing beyond his ability to save it.
Peace out, Assad regime.
Go pound sand, you genocidal assholes.
Yeah, so I'm just going to pick up where I left off.
Thankfully, Eric was kind enough to leave a bunch of notes about this whole thing.
And so...
What they were doing was Julian Assange gets these emails and Julian has a bunch of dreams.
One of the main things they wanted is they wanted these email servers to be theirs before the 2016 DNC. Because they were worried about the rift between the Sanders campaign and the Clinton campaign being papered over and that Hillary would have a unified front going into the general election.
And they wanted to try to deepen that wedge as best they could because they would help Trump win the election.
And they didn't get this stuff out until after, but No harm, no foul, because the rift was still there.
The Sanders people were still very mad about Hillary winning.
So everything worked out in the end for Team Evil.
And Assange created an algorithm called Stochastic Terminator to release the timing of the emails.
And it was...
They were disseminating the emails drip by drip because they wanted to try to...
They were building up suspense.
They were building up tension.
They were building up drama.
Ooh, what's the next batch emails going to contain?
What more saucy info are we going to get?
And by doing this dripping of the emails, they were keeping the emails in the press's attention.
The Access Hollywood tape had come and gone.
That was all we were going to get out of that.
There was no more blood to ring out of that stone.
Whereas with the WikiLeaks emails, there were so many emails for Assange to leak.
He could milk this thing for weeks if he needed to, which was the goal.
And Also, it was one of these things where now the Clinton campaign doesn't know what's going to come out that they're going to have said.
So you're putting them on the defensive and you're putting the Trump campaign on the offensive.
So this whole thing is massive election interference that is pro-Trump.
And our media is gung-ho to go along with it because screw Hillary.
She sucks.
Trump rules.
Hillary drools.
So it's really great that this was the state of play in American politics in the final month of the election in 2016. And Assange really hated Hillary and he wanted her to lose.
He didn't think that there was much of a chance that Hillary was going to actually lose.
He thought Trump had like a 25% chance of winning and he was trying to hurt Hillary to up those odds.
And the Vanessa emails now became the new hotness and the Access Hollywood tape became the bitter sadness.
So, this whole thing...
Go ahead, Haley.
Oh, I was just gonna say that, like, Assange said that he was motivated, like, by his dislike of Hillary.
And I saw that a lot, like, with, like, a lot of the trolls in the Pasobiec orbit.
How, like, they were not so much motivated by, like, their love of Trump, but just their hate of Hillary.
Not that that was Julian Assange's case, he loved Trump, but, you know, just funny.
Just motivated by spite.
And that was the thing about in 2016 was there was this sort of air that it was okay to be really ridiculously ruthless to Hillary because Trump was...
I mean, but I... It really drives me nuts, the amount of that.
Just the whole Hillary sucks thing.
It's just...
It's just so frustrating to me because...
It created this mentality around the whole election that it was like, well, she's so bad.
What do we have to lose if we elect this total fucking moron to be our president?
I mean, is it really going to be that bad?
And the answer is yes.
Yes, it will.
And It was that mentality that Hillary couldn't lose because Trump was so stupid that just allowed the media to just constantly kick Hillary around because, ah, we're just roughing up the new president so she knows what it's going to be like when she's in office.
I mean, nothing we're going to do is actually going to impact this thing to the point where Trump could actually win.
The idea Trump could win.
Are you kidding me?
And Then come election night, it's like, oh, oh, Trump wins.
Well, oh, ain't that a thing?
Oh, no.
Oh, well, hey, them's the breaks.
And it's just, you're looking at it, you're like, no, that's not the breaks.
Now we've actually let this idiot into power.
And now he's this cultural phenomenon that's going to get a second term four years later.
And everything is further in shittified by it.
And it's just...
It's super frustrating.
People absolutely love having Trump in office because it gets them clicks and attention.
It's like all the fucking clowns on MSNBC, the couple.
I forget their names.
But it was just like...
Joe Scarborough and Nina...
Yeah, they were immediately groveling to Trump after the election.
A lot of these people, their lives are not affected by any of it.
They don't actually challenge power.
And a lot of them actually probably vote for Trump.
Yeah.
I don't think that any political candidate should be immune to criticism by the media, but just being for fucking real, I think a lot of them really just want Trump in office.
Oh, I agree.
And that's the thing, is that...
Trump's hatred of the media is kayfabe.
The whole thing is fake because...
Yeah, he loves the media.
He loves the media, he loves ratings, but he also knows that he's playing a character that has to rail against the fake news and all that nonsense.
But the man loves talking about how he's banging a rating.
He's just like, oh man, did you see that hit I did on CNN? Boom!
First in the demo!
And it's just that mentality.
He's constantly watching MSNBC and commenting on it.
Like, he loves the media.
He loves when they talk about him.
He loves when the culture is consumed around him.
And the media, in return, loves the views that they get and access to power because sometimes they get to interview him.
Oh, right.
Exactly.
And so it's that whole thing.
And so...
The media in 2016 loved Trump.
And this is something that the Pizzagate people, the QAnon people, nobody will talk about this.
There were times during the primary season where Bernie Sanders would be giving a speech and they would cut away from Bernie to show an empty podium with Trump's name on it because the empty Trump podium was more exciting to the media than Bernie actually giving a speech.
And they did it once to Hillary, too.
They once cut away from a live Hillary speech to go to a Trump podium because Go ahead.
They keep this up to this day, too, sans the election.
Like, when his trial was going on, I was staying at a hotel, and every TV in the hotel in the lobby had news channels on, and they were all, including MSNBC and CNN, just on an empty screen,
just, like, Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that's really funny about Biden is that he was basically not president while he was president.
It was just this constant yearning for Daddy to come back home from the media.
And that Trump was so omnipresent in our society that it was inescapable.
And this story was based on the fact that the media felt untouchable because they felt like they had everything pegged.
They had Hillary as this juggernaut who was way ahead in the polls, had no shot at losing, was running the professional campaign, and you had Trump just bumble-fucking his way around America.
No idea what he's doing.
Doesn't know his ass from his elbow.
But he's entertaining!
He's engaging!
He's funny!
He's hilarious!
Oh...
In 2016, and this has followed him his whole political career, Trump had this narrative around him that he was this rascally scamp who was just trying to pull off a caper.
And the fact that the media...
Was able to be pulled away from the Access Hollywood tape so quickly to then cover Hillary so negatively for so long over the Podesta emails was just part and parcel of that because it was this whole story about how, oh, look at how poor her security is when it comes to her office avoiding being hacked by these people and all that nonsense.
Also, you know, because again, I fully am supportive of my statement that Hillary does suck, but I think all politicians suck.
And it is funny that they focus so much on the emails and it being a security issue when it's like, there are so many other things you can talk about, Hillary, about.
There are so many other hacks you can talk about.
It is just a funny thing specifically to focus on, in my opinion.
Stephanie?
Issues with the Hillary server and the pedestal leaks and stuff.
The people that were upset about that had no problem when guests at Mar-a-Lago were using the flashlights on their phones to light up classified documents.
Do you remember when that went around?
They had no problem with that.
Oh yeah, absolutely not.
The hypocrisy is endless.
The media doesn't care about any of these things.
All they care about is finding a way to slime Trump's enemies so they can keep Trump in the game.
Whatever the situation is, whatever race we're in, we gotta make sure that Trump isn't out of it, because if he's out of it, we can't have our fun.
And that's what sucks.
I think also, too, a lot of these controversies that kind of don't really seem like that big of a deal when you look at it, you know, years later.
Like, how did this consume the media for so long?
How did this overtake the culture?
It's just like, I kind of lost my train of thought because I thought I was about to fall in my chair.
But, oh, it's because...
A lot of the media was boosting conspiracy theorists at the time, and this is when a lot of conspiracy theorists started to leak into the culture, which we'll talk about Jack Posobiec next week,
but I just think that a lot of this time the disinformation peddlers were using These stories just kind of put themselves in the media, put their commentary in the media.
Jack Posobiec, you know, was like granted a blue checkmark during, you know, this time period.
He was like, I don't know.
It's just a lot of these people made careers off of the conspiracies that they were boosting and getting attention off of during this time.
Oh, and you had Snowden in Russia messaging people saying, there's never been a safer election to vote third party than this one.
There's no way Trump can win, so please vote with your heart and don't vote for Hillary.
You just had so many people working so hard to kneecap the Democrats.
Because that was what Assange wanted.
That is what the Russians wanted.
That's what so many of these people wanted from this election.
And you're being bombarded by this propaganda from all these different sides.
And Pizzagate was one slice of this puzzle where you have Michael Flynn and other people that are not quite in Trump's inner circle, but they're around him.
And they're posting stuff about, hey, is Hillary trafficking children?
I mean, that seems kind of weird.
So I don't know what's going on here.
I ain't saying.
I'm just saying.
Like, they were just doing that sort of thing where they were just asking questions.
That's really what it was.
I'm just asking questions.
What's going on here with this pizza game thing?
I'm not really sure what's going on, but it sounds bad.
It sounds sus, as the kids would say.
Stephanie, you are also a hater of politicians.
What else do you think contributed to it all?
I'm trying to remember the woman's last name.
I think it's Thompson, Linda.
She was the one that basically came up with the Clinton body count theory.
Actually, the Clinton body count bled over As conspiracy theories often do.
And to the true crime community, there was a famous case called the Boys on the Tracks.
Three boys were found shot to death on train tracks in Arkansas.
There may have been some drug running involved, blah, blah, blah.
But this Linda Thompson lady got a hold of it and ran with it.
And now all of a sudden, like Bill and Hillary were responsible for these three boys dying on train tracks, execution style.
But the Clinton body count, it was still kind of fringe, but it was starting to gain momentum.
And it was always, even though it was kind of fringe, it was always there in the background.
Killery, killery, killery.
Every, you know, all the time.
So I think that was one of the elements.
And even if people didn't actively believe in it, You don't have to believe in a lie for it to implant itself in your head, and you still find yourself, well, could she?
Did she?
Maybe?
I don't think it could have taken off without the CBC. Well, what you're saying there is people thinking to themselves, well, there's a lot of smoke here.
There's got to be some fire.
How can all these people keep talking about all this shady shit around Hillary Clinton without some of it being true?
That's the thing, is that if you're hit with 10 negative articles about Hillary on all these different things...
You think to yourself, well, three of these gotta be right.
There's no way all ten are just bullshit.
And so you just, by just endlessly sliming her, you just create this negativity around it.
And that's the thing that I always...
I always watch for when I'm dealing with these kinds of politics is both.
When people talk about both these candidates are so unpopular, both these candidates lie a lot, both these candidates are corrupt.
Which one's worse?
Why are you telling me both are bad?
That'd be like saying both these teams have gotten penalties in this game.
And one team's got three penalties, the other one's got ten.
Tell me who's worse.
Don't tell me that both are bad.
Because that's a cop-out.
It's a dodge.
And that was the thing, is you just had this mountain of just enmity against Hillary for so long.
And I had a friend, and I still have him, he's still my friend, but...
One of my friends in 2016 was all the way on Bernie Sanders.
He wasn't an online Bernie bro, but he was just in the weeds.
His wife was working.
She was a volunteer for a Sanders campaign and all this stuff.
And I just remember listening to him talking, like, when early voting had started, and he was talking about how he was going to have to go and Nevada uses touchscreens, and he was going to vote for Hillary, and then he was going to have to, like, cut his hand off because he was going to be tainted by the blight of voting for her.
And it was just this...
Endless negativity around that campaign and how she was just so bad but I gotta vote for her because Trump's just really bad too.
Just like 9 out of 10 Bernie voters did.
My mentality is just that When everyone's just so negative, when everyone's just so beaten down by it, there's no enthusiasm, there's no momentum, there's no actual desire to see a candidate win.
And that leads to the ability for that candidate, even though they're a massive favorite, to lose.
Because when no one's speaking up the positive side of the argument for that candidate, everyone's just doing this out of some coercion, some need to do it.
That you're basically saying, this situation sucks, and hey, if the other guy wins, no skin off my nose.
And that's just not the way it really was.
I mean, people were voting for Harambe, because that was just the way it was back then.
A simpler, more magical time.
Go ahead, Steph.
Well, in the conspiracy world around that time, And I think even some normies felt like this, too.
I was always posting on my since-banned Facebook.
By the way, I didn't get banned from Facebook for posting conspiracy theories.
I got banned for posting on Facebook, fuck QAnon and fuck fascism.
That's awesome.
Of course.
So, but...
There was a lot of this talk about, like, and I compared it to Aliens vs.
Predator.
No matter who wins, we all lose.
But Hillary is still better.
So I was like this left-wing conspiracy theorist, and I was hearing these people saying Obama was going to refuse to leave office.
And I'm sitting here and I'm thinking, that wouldn't really be so bad.
I mean, a lot of drone strikes.
I know there was bad stuff, but that would have been much better than what we went through with Trump the first time, and now that we're going to go the second time.
So there was this ginning up of fear, really, and I think a lot of it was to prevent people from voting.
A lot of, and there was like a whole thing, that was when I first heard about Bluebeam.
They were like, yeah, they're going to fake an alien invasion so that no one can vote.
I'm like, well, this is horse shit.
So funny.
Okay.
That would have been really exciting if they had gone that extra mile to just have the election called off due to fake alien intervention.
Yes, you're just going to go watchmen route.
Oh, spoiler for Watchmen, by the way.
Eric has returned, by the way, for everyone who didn't know.
Yeah, I think somebody backed into a power supply or something.
But what I was going to say, like...
I've had this, I give this person, God, if they're listening to the podcast, I apologize, but every now and then they just DM me and they ask me if this is an actual alien event or not.
And I tell them, if aliens are here, then it's over and you don't need to worry about anything because it's totally up to the aliens what happens to us.
Because if anyone's on our planet, they have technology beyond our understanding.
And if they're benevolent, then we're going to be okay.
And if they're not benevolent, we're dead.
And that's just it.
So don't worry about it.
There's nothing you can do to stop Team Alien from just crushing us if there's some desire to do it.
I mean, we're This isn't War of the Worlds where they're not ready for our microbes.
They're going to be ready for the microbes.
And unfortunately, we don't have a president as awesome as Bill Pullman to get us through it.
Yeah.
So dumb.
If aliens landed and it was election day the next day, I think I would probably forget to vote.
I think I would be a little bit preoccupied by the aliens.
Oh, shit.
I think you just gave me an idea for some fan fiction.
Independence Day, Part 3, Election Day.
Yeah.
So, I mean, we stumbled our way through the end there.
It was not as big a train wreck as I thought it would be.
I think that we were okay.
Yes, Hayley?
Oh, I was just unmuted, but yeah, I think it did good.
You know, what are some things we can expect looking forward in these future episodes, Mike?
So next week we're going to do Seth Rich and Jack Posobiec.
That is going to be absolutely our first two topics to get into.
Assange...
Fitting the flames that Seth Rich was the source of the DNC leak and not Russian influence hacking campaigns.
And the whole mythos around Seth Rich that was created by QAnon and Pizza Gators...
Really no evidence for the idea that Seth Rich was a hardcore Bernie bro who was mad that Hillary won the primary and he was going to expose the corruption and take this whole corrupting down.
And then Hillary put two in his back to silence him and all that good stuff.
And then Jack Posobiec and his attempt to rise to prominence is.
Haley said he got his blue checkmark at this time.
Also, the owner of Comet, Ping Pong, kind of said that he feels like they made Jack Posobiec.
Because of all this, like, he blew up basically because of Pizzagate.
And it kind of sounds like he blames himself a little bit for, like, the rise of Posobiec.
So, yeah, I will be doing a big deep dive in this piece of shit.
A deep dive into a shit pizza.
That's what you look forward to.
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That's our new way to try to lure people into the crib where all our beautiful babies reside, even though we might have to change that name now that Elle has left and has burned down the orphanage in a fit of rage because Elle's a sociopath.
I just want to make that clear.
He doesn't listen to the plot.
He'll never know I said any of this.
By chance.
Have we seen Elle and the CEO healthcare assassin in the same room together?
No, but even though Elle has lost an incredible amount of weight, he was not nearly as svelte as the healthcare assassin guy was before.
That's what they want to think.
L would not have done that assassination via bicycle.
I promise you that.
I absolutely can confirm that 1000%.
Go ahead, Steph.
Oh, crap.
I forgot what I was going to say, but so well.
Stephanie unmuted herself, put up her hand to speak, was like, throw me the ball!
Throw me the ball!
And I was like, okay, throw you the ball.
And she just watched the sail over her head.
It's just another classic Steph moment, you know?
Yeah.
So, anyhow, thanks to TJ Minimal Effort and myself for the intro at the start of this whole thing.
Thanks to Frosty for the content warning at the start.
We may try to have him make some new bumps, or we'll work something out for that down the line.
All that other good stuff.
Ba-ba-ba.
Thank you all for listening.
Good speed, patriots!
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