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HellwQrld Presents: JFK for Turkey Day

Mike does a quick hit on the JFK assassination and lets everyone know what is ahead for HellwQrld. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Avengers in Hell World presents Who Shot JFK?
It was Lee Harvey Oswald.
Hello, everybody.
Mike Raines here, El Lobo Solo, doing the pod for Thanksgiving.
So you can wake up, cook a turkey, and listen to me talk about how Lee Harvey Oswald obviously acted alone in the assassination of President Kennedy.
But before I get into all that, let's do a little housekeeping, because as you know from the last episode, El has bid adieu to Hellworld.
Talking about Trump every week and Elon Musk every week.
Broke his brain just not dealing with it.
So he's out of here.
He's leaving.
And so we are going to be doing some stuff.
We're going to be trying to cover different things than just having a weekly update, pissing and moaning about Elon, pissing and moaning about Trump.
I've been talking to some people and we are going to do a deep dive into Pizzagate about how it started, what it was at the beginning, how it has metastasized, get into the actual emails, the core documents, how people misconstrued this stuff, the decoding, all that nonsense.
We're looking at maybe, it's going to be between two and four episodes, I'd say.
It feels like the more we talk about it, the more we have to say about it.
So I don't know how big it's going to be, but that's the general idea that...
That's what we're working on.
Me, Haley, Steph, and Eric, the Deep State Operative, the four of us have been talking this out.
We've been working on it.
So that's kind of the plan right now going forward.
That will start next week.
Beyond that, I was going to mention that Acast is now doing a thing where they're adding a second mid-roll ad break for us content creators to try to poison you people with more ads that obviously are irksome, and I understand that.
But a peek behind the curtain, basically the ads are about 100 a month for our podcast.
And the Patreon's about 200 a month, so not exactly, like, not raking it in.
We're not swimming in cash.
So what I'm thinking I'm going to do is set up A thing where for the $2 Patreon subscription, we're going to start posting the pod back on Patreon behind a $2 paywall where it'll be ad-free.
And if people are annoyed by the ads, they can get around them that way.
And I apologize.
I apologize, but I'd like to make a few dollars off this stuff.
I am a grifter.
I am a monster.
I fully acknowledge all of that.
So...
So that's the housekeeping.
That's the start of this whole thing.
Anyhow, let's get to the meat and potatoes of this.
You've probably seen the two threads I've posted on Twitter.
I'm going to break these down audio style for you.
Try to keep this under 20 minutes, 25 minutes, maybe.
We'll see.
But the whole idea is to just give people talking points, give people information.
Let people know that Lee Harvey Oswald is guilty, that he did do this, and that the Kennedy assassination is really the biggest bang for your buck you can have in the conspiracy theory world because it's so wildly accepted.
It's so toxic because this isn't Bigfoot.
This isn't flat earth.
This isn't some weird thing that people believe in.
This is a kind of mainstream American view that back in the day, the government was unhappy with the president, so they killed him, which is a really kind of dark thing to think about, and it's a really good way to undermine people's confidence in their government.
If you believe that the government can just up and murder the president if he displeases them, you mean the president really isn't running things then if this is the way the government works?
And that is why I find this conspiracy theory so pernicious.
This is why this conspiracy theory is so dangerous.
Because you will have these cranks talking about chemtrails, talking about the deep state, talking about how people are sacrificing babies for adrenochrome.
And you will be calling them a kook.
And then they'll say, well, these people killed Kennedy.
And then you'll sort of be like, well, yeah, but...
And that's the thing, is that once you've let them get their foot in the door on the Kennedy thing, it gets real bad.
It gets real bad because that concept is as bad as it can be.
It's literally agreeing with these people that there is a deep state, that there is a group of people that...
Rule from the shadows and wield power and that the president lives and dies by their dictates.
That if the president defies these people, they will cut him down.
So all of that is not good.
And it's also not good because it's not based on any evidence, not based on any facts.
The facts are that Lee Harvey Oswald tried to kill a guy before he tried to kill John F. Kennedy.
He tried to kill General Walker, who was a right-wing John Birch Society member.
And Oswald drove to that guy's house, shot at him through a window.
Window pane deflected the bullet, did not hit him, did not kill him.
The bullet was badly damaged, could not be connected to Oswald's rifle, but the Dallas police did not have any suspects until Oswald was eventually arrested for the Kennedy assassination, and Marina Oswald found a note in a book that told her, if anything happened to me, this is what you should do.
And she figured out, oh, this was what he wrote to me when he decided that he was going to go try to kill General Walker.
So right there, you have Oswald being willing to commit murder.
And commit murder of a famous and powerful person.
And then, after a bunch of wrangling and debating and decision-making...
Governor Conley wins out, and the motorcade from Love Field will go to the Dallas trademark, which is what Governor Conley wanted.
And Governor Conley will be rewarded for his decision by having a bullet blow out his chest and nearly kill him.
Governor Conley is, of course, the guy that was the victim of the quote-unquote magic bullet that also hit President Kennedy.
The motorcade route is put into the papers for people to look at.
And Oswald sees that the motorcade is going to pass where he is working.
And he decides, hey, might as well do it.
This is my chance to be a big boy.
And so, he breaks routine.
He's had this job for a month.
And he has a friend named Buell Frazier.
And Buell gives him rides to and from his estranged wife's home, where she is staying with Ruth Payne, who in the Rob Reiner documentary, or I say that very loosely in his podcast series.
Ruth Payne is basically the Illuminati.
She is a bad person, which is ridiculous because she was just a person trying to learn about the Soviets and trying to bridge that gap between the two nations and the two peoples.
And Ruth Payne was trying to keep Marina away from Lee because Lee was a domestic abuser and beat his wife.
Because Lee Harvey Oswald sucks.
All these people who defend him are defending a guy who really sucks.
And so, Oswald breaks routine and tells Buell, I want to go see my wife today, which is Thursday.
And Buell's like, hey, that's not what you usually do.
What you usually do is you go to see her on Friday, and then I pick you back up on Monday and take you back down here, and then during the week you stay at a boarding house.
And maybe Buell doesn't say that, because that's a lot of exposition to just explain my point.
But Oswald then says, I want to grab some curtain rods from the home where Marina is staying and bring them to the boarding house.
And Buell says, okay, sounds good to me.
I'm easy like Sunday morning, my friend.
So Oswald goes to see Marina on Thursday, tries to reconcile with her.
She tells him to pound sand, that she doesn't want to deal with him.
He sucks.
And this is very unfortunate, because it's probably one of the reasons why Kennedy got murdered.
Lee doesn't think he has a wife anymore, that he's probably going to get divorced.
And then he's going to have custody with the kids and all that fun stuff.
But That was kind of like the last straw.
Because by going to the house where the rifle is, Lee's making the decision, I'm going to talk to my wife, and if it's not going great with her, well then, Operation Murder of the President.
That's where we're going.
That's what we're going to do.
And so, the next morning, Oswald walks over to Bill Frazier's car, has a nice big package on him.
And Buell says, what's the package got?
And Lee says, it's the curtain rods.
Don't you remember?
I was telling you about that yesterday.
I got curtain rods in here.
Absolutely curtain rods.
Not a Mandelker Carcana rifle that I will use later today to kill the president.
And Buell Frazier, in all of his testimony, basically said, I really didn't look at that package.
And Buell's had a lot of remorse over this whole ordeal, which is really unfortunate for him because, I mean, he had no idea.
He was just an unfortunate accessory to a crime.
And he just didn't know.
Just didn't know.
But Buell said things like, I looked at that package and I measured it out and it couldn't have held the rifle or Oswald was holding it in a certain way, which made it impossible for it to be the rifle.
And I get it.
He knew Oswald.
Oswald was kind of a bro.
Didn't seem like the kind of guy that would up and kill the president.
So I can see how he would want to give Lee the benefit of the doubt.
But as the evidence has shown, that rifle that Marina said was in the building came up missing when the cops came to look.
And that's when Marina knew that her husband had taken the rifle to work and killed the president with it.
And that rifle, the Milliker Kerkana, was found on the sixth floor near the sniper's nest after the assassination by the Dallas police.
Three shells, spent shells, were found on the ground in the sniper's nest.
Three employees that were on the fifth floor directly below the sniper's nest heard the shots over their heads.
One of those employees heard the bolt action working, heard the shells hitting the ground above him, hitting the floor above him.
We had two witnesses outside.
The Texas School Book Depository.
Brennan is the name of the guy who gave the description to the police.
A very vague description.
I've had people complain about the fact that they had Oswald framed up from the jump.
When Brennan's identification of the sniper was a man in his 30s.
Oswald was in his 20s.
He said the man was slender and good-looking.
I don't know if I... I mean, I was old to find.
I don't know that I'd sleep with him, but who knows?
Different strokes for different folks.
You know how it is.
But he said that the sniper was 165 to 175 pounds.
Oswald was 135. So Oswald was much younger and much more slender than what the description was.
And there was a young black child named Eunice.
I can't remember his first name off the top of my head right now.
But he also saw a sniper firing from the sixth floor.
The description of the sniper was not great from him.
Claimed the sniper had a bald spot.
Also, really didn't know if the sniper was black or white.
But again, we have two people outside the building who saw the rifle firing.
And then there were numerous other witnesses who saw the rifle being retracted from the sniper's nest after the headshot was fired.
This is more than we have for the Grassy Knoll, where nobody saw a guy with a gun firing.
That did not happen.
You may have heard people talk about a flash of light or a puff of smoke.
A flash of light came about a decade after, when that lady, Hill, was embellishing her story.
Puff of smoke is absolute bullshit.
This was hilariously documented in the JFK movie.
Where Oliver Stone could not find a firearm that would generate smoke and just use a smoke machine to just put smoke up there because fuck it.
We're not in the business of actually telling the truth.
We're here to just spin a yarn about how the military-industrial complex killed Kennedy to get their war in Vietnam.
And fuck the truth.
Fuck trying to tell people anything that's actually accurate.
We're going to make Jim Garrison a hero when Jim Garrison was a huge piece of shit.
So...
After all of this, again, Oswald...
Oh, by the way, I forgot my little story there.
A little detail at the start of all this.
At the start of the day, I should say.
Oswald leaves his wife $170 and his wedding ring.
You know, what you do usually before you go to work.
Just leave your wife a pile of money and your wedding ring.
You're not off to go kill the president or anything.
And...
People knew that Oswald was a political guy.
He cared about politics a lot.
And yet, strangely, he did not want to go out and see the president.
Didn't want to be a part of the motorcade.
Just isolating himself.
No witnesses seeing him during the assassination.
And then after the assassination, he is confronted on the second floor about 90 seconds after by an officer, Officer Baker.
Officer Baker calls out to him.
Roy Truly, the man who hired Oswald, so unfortunately.
Roy Truly vouches for Oswald, says that Oswald is an employee of the building.
He's cool.
And Baker then...
Baker goes to the roof.
Baker heard the shots from the schoolbook depository, thought they came from the actual roof.
He did not stop at the sixth floor.
He went all the way over to the top of it.
Found nothing on the roof.
Started going back down.
Eventually more police started congregating around there.
And they secured the schoolbook depository about 15 minutes after the shooting.
But this is too late.
Oswald is already on the lam.
Oswald gets on a bus.
The bus is now tied up in assassination traffic.
He leaves the bus.
He gets into a cab.
From the cab, he gets to his boarding house.
He enters his boarding house, and about three or four minutes later, according to the woman who ran the boarding house, Oswald leaves.
She mentions something to him about the president being shot, but he doesn't really react to it.
And then Oswald is in the wind.
He is walking the streets of Dallas.
Where he is confronted by Officer J.D. Tippett and kills J.D. Tippett.
We have many witnesses who saw him either shooting Tippett or running away from the scene with a gun.
We have his jacket, which was discarded two blocks away from the murder of Tippett.
When the jacket was found, it was shown to contain traces of the shirt that he was wearing under it, which ties the jacket to the shirt, to Oswald, and all that good stuff.
The shells that were found at the scene of Tippett's murder were traced to Oswald's gun.
The bullets inside Tippett were not traced to Oswald's gun because they were too badly damaged, but we do know that the expelled shells were traced to Oswald's gun, so basically someone else had to have used that gun and then somehow put it on him during the arrest?
Question mark?
Yeah, Oswald is then arrested at the Texas Theater when someone sees him dip in there without paying for a ticket.
Oswald is said to have said, well, it's all over now, when the cops finally came upon him, and he then went into his waistband to grab his gun.
He was then in a scuffle with the police.
When he does the press conference at midnight with the press, that's what you do press conferences with, is with the press.
He says that a cop punched him.
And that's what happened.
That's why he has the mark on his head.
And then, after all that, Oswald's killed a couple days later by Jack Ruby, and the world goes nuts.
But that's your timeline of the day of the assassination in Lee Harvey Oswald's eyes.
Wakes up, dumps a pile of money in his wedding ring off on his wife, Goes to his friend who's going to drive him to work, has a big package with a gun inside it, obviously.
Not invisible to anybody while the assassination is happening.
Flees the scene immediately afterwards, shoots a cop, and then gets arrested.
So, that's that.
A quick little ad break here, and then we will get into the conspiracy being really stupid.
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So the conspiracy is really stupid because...
When you have a loose thread, like an assassin who is part of a conspiracy, you have to kill that assassin as quickly as possible.
You have to prevent that assassin from snitching, from spilling the beans and exposing the plot that you used to jam them up.
And Oswald could not have been killed immediately during the assassination.
The sniper's nest was well defended.
It was in cover.
It had been very hard to hit Oswald after he was firing at the president.
It would have been far easier to have just shot Kennedy from the crowd at Love Field or during the motorcade just literally having anyone just Franz Ferdinand him.
The car is moving at 11 miles an hour.
The Secret Service and the police are in such a way that there's a gap in the protection where someone could just run over to the car and start firing and they really couldn't be stopped.
As I pointed out in my thread, the turn from Houston onto Elm Is a sharp turn.
It would basically paralyze the limousine.
It would be turning incredibly slow, even slower than the 11 miles an hour it was going during the assassination.
An assassin could have just waited on that turn and then just walked over to the car and killed Kennedy.
No one could have stopped them.
And the good part about this for the conspiracy is that as long as the shooter just keeps blasting away, the Secret Service and the police will have no choice but to...
Fire at the assassin as well and kill them.
And then assassin and president are both dead immediately.
And the crisis is evaded because no one's going to complain about the police shooting the president because, I mean, the police shooting the president, I'm doing mortal error.
No, but no one's going to complain about the police shooting the assassin because he's trying to kill, they're trying to protect the president.
They're trying to protect Jackie and the other occupants of the limo.
Because Franz Ferdinand's wife also died when that guy killed him.
So, that would have been no must, no fuss.
And, yeah, people would have complained about it later, but the conspiracy would have been far diminished.
So, the idea that you would, as a conspiracy, set Oswald up in a situation where he cannot be eliminated immediately is poor.
That is, poor planning by the conspiracy.
Then Oswald is allowed to escape the Texas School Book Depository, which is now incredibly poor planning by the conspiracy, because now you have no control over Oswald.
You have the most damaging loose end imaginable.
You have an assassin who has intimate knowledge of your plot to assassinate the president because he was in on it.
And now that man is going to Tell the world he could go anywhere.
He could find a reporter.
He could go to a police department that is not the Dallas Police Department and spill his guts and tell them what happened.
Oswald is in the wind, and you are screwed.
Then, as luck would have it, the Dallas police descend upon Oswald, and as I said before, he goes for his gun.
And the Dallas police do not kill him.
Dallas police do not take part in the conspiracy.
They do not save the conspiracy from itself and its stupidity.
They let Oswald live, and now Oswald can talk.
And guess what they do next?
They establish a press conference, and they put Oswald in front of the media and in front of the world, and they give him a live microphone to talk and say whatever he wants to say about what has happened.
And basically, Oswald plays dumb.
Oswald acts like he has no idea about Kennedy's assassination and him being tied to it.
He claims that he only knows that he's being charged with the murder of Officer Tippett.
And he doesn't understand why everyone's talking to him about Kennedy.
And then the press tells him, no, you have in fact been charged with the assassination of President Kennedy.
And during this press conference, while this is all going on, Oswald gives the statement that all the conspiracy theorists love, where he says, I'm just a patsy.
But as I stated, that is not the full quote.
Before that, he states that the only reason why he has been brought into custody is because he lived in the Soviet Union.
And then he says, I'm just a patsy.
He's making it clear that he is a political prisoner, that he is being scapegoated because he is a communist.
Oswald also, while being interrogated by the press, asks for a lawyer from the ACLU. He also states he emphatically denies the charges.
Now, people have often said if this guy was a political prisoner, And that he was this communist who wanted to bring about the revolution and slay the terrible president of the United States.
Why did he not take credit for this?
And I think it's very obvious that he didn't take credit for it because he wanted to play the victim game.
He wanted to say, oh, I'm a poor little communist and the evil capitalist America's railroading me.
They framed me because of my political beliefs.
My ideology is toxic to them and that's why they've done this.
He wanted to be a communist victim of capitalism.
He wanted to be oppressed.
That was the angle he was working.
And then that was Friday night, midnight.
Saturday, not much happens.
And then Sunday, during the prisoner transfer, he is killed by Jack Ruby.
Day late and a dollar short, because again, Oswald literally had all the opportunity in the world to spill his guts and tell the world what really happened.
He elected not to, for some mysterious reason.
And only then, in this late hour, does Ruby silence him.
Which wouldn't have worked if Oswald had decided to talk at any time earlier than that.
And as I had mentioned, uh, Ruby was incredibly lucky that he had a chance at killing Oswald because Oswald was supposed to be transferred at 10 o'clock that morning.
Ruby basically woke up around 10, got a phone call from one of the women that worked at his nightclub slash strip club.
And the woman that was working for him said that she needed $25 wired to her because she had some problems.
She needed some money.
And Ruby took his gun, took his dog, took his pile of money, drove to a Western Union, wired the $25 over to her, and then he walked from that Western Union to the Dallas Police Department and shot Oswald four minutes later.
So if there's one more person in line, At the Western Union, Ruby can't kill Oswald.
If Oswald does not ask for a change of clothes, Oswald lives.
If the police interrogate Oswald and wrap it up a little quicker than they did, because again, they were supposed to transfer him at 10, and the transfer happened at 1121, Oswald lives.
Ruby was not in position until basically when it happened.
He Got really lucky that he had a chance to do what he did.
And that's just the shitty timeline we're living in.
That dumb event of happenstance and bad luck unfolded the way it did.
Which is the whole conspiracy.
It's the whole assassination of President Kennedy is all happenstance and bad luck.
Governor Conley wins out in the argument of where the motorcade is going to go from Love Field.
Roy truly hires Lee Harvey Oswald because he likes the cut of his jib.
The first day that Oswald is coming to work, he and another new employee show up, and Roy truly has a decision to make.
Which man will work the main Texas School Book Depository building?
Which guy will work the auxiliary building, which is nowhere near where the motorcade route ended up being?
Truly decides Oswald will work the main building.
The other guy will work the auxiliary building.
Bad luck, bad luck, bad luck, bad luck.
That's it.
That's all it was.
Just Lee Harvey Oswald had a target of opportunity, used it, and the world is much poorer for it.
And conspiracy theorists have been lying about it for, I don't know, we're on 60 years now.
This was the 61st anniversary of the assassination, yep.
And they've been lying about it for 61 years ever since.
And it sucks, but that's where we are, and that's what's happened.
So, just giving you a little food for thought, a little something to talk to your friendly MAGA Republican relative who's going to talk about, oh, they're going to declassify everything, and then we're going to get to the bottom of everything.
And it's like, no, Oswald did it.
He was trained by the Marines to be a marksman.
He had solid grades at marksmanship.
All the talk about Oswald being a poor shot is bullshit.
And we have the photos of him holding the rifle.
Those were authenticated by every organization that's ever looked into them.
And they were also authenticated by Marina Oswald.
She said she took them.
We got the evidence.
The guy did it.
It's just that simple.
There's no way around this.
So enjoy your turkey.
Enjoy all that fun stuff.
And get ready for the big Pizzagate fun and frivolity that we're going to start up with next week.
So that will be a standard kind of Hellworld episode, probably run between an hour 20 and an hour 45, depending on how far we go.
We're going to try to keep it in that space, and we will talk to you then.
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$5 will get you bonus content, which me and Haley may start doing about right-wing media on top of all this stuff.
She's got a lot of ideas.
She's got things percolating.
We're working on stuff.
We're spitballing.
Just going along to do stuff.
If you don't want to give money to us, love146.org.
Fighting human trafficking, which is what QAnon always talks about doing.
They don't.
They don't care.
They actually don't care.
The opening of this pod started by DJ Minimal Effort, remixed by me by accident.
The JFK intro was done by Eric the Deep State Operative, who will now be one of the people on the show going forward.
Beyond all that, I don't know what else to say, so enjoy Thanksgiving, have a good one, and we will talk to you again soon.
Good speed, patriots.
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