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Dec. 15, 2024 - Adventures in HellwQrld
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Adventures in HellwQrld Present: PizzaGate Part 2, Seth Rich and Posobiec

This week we talk about the murder of Seth Rich and how the Pizzagate conspiracies around it are nonsense and how Jack Posobiec used Pizzagate to launch his career as a grifter. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Adventures in Hellworld podcast talks in-depth about QAnon.
While it's meant to be comedic informative, sometimes we have to get into things like child abuse and violence against people.
Listener discretion advised.
Hello, everybody.
I am Mike Rains, a.k.a.
Poker and Politics, and welcome to Episode 2 of our Deep Dive into Pizzagate.
It's all kinds of fun and frivolity, and we're probably going to bring up that guy that shot the healthcare guy, because that's kind of a thing that you just have to talk about before the show starts.
Anyways, and I am joined, as always, by Chaley, a.k.a.
Haley, a.k.a.
Arizona Rightwatch.
Hello, everybody.
I'll bring him up.
I'm glad that he took the fall, because when I saw those eyebrows appear in the news, I was like, uh-oh, I'm done for, but...
Luigi took care of that, so thank you.
I'm also joined by Stephanie, who lacks one million nicknames.
And I also have no eyebrows, so I am completely safe from that.
Hashtag no eyebrows.
Hi, everybody.
Do you draw them on?
Do you do that?
I might get UV ones tattooed on, but I want to look into if UV ink is safe or not.
Just the straight Grima Wormtongue.
Just no eyebrows.
Yep.
I wax them off.
I haven't had them in years.
That was my favorite thing from Brad DeReef when he would talk about how his girlfriend was just always like, God damn it, you have no eyebrows.
It's so weird.
He's like, no, come back.
Don't worry.
And then every so often for the next two years, his eyebrows would just vanish in post-production filming he had to do.
And she'd be like, God damn it, they got you again.
And he'd be like, yes.
And I'm also joined by Eric's Deep State Operative.
Who has one nickname that is Deep State Operative?
Actually, I have many, but I'm not sharing any of them because I don't want it to be identified.
And also, I refuse to address any rumors of my eyebrow-edness.
Do you have thick eyebrows?
Let me see.
Your glasses are kind of covering them.
No, I have.
No, I have no eyebrows.
I literally thought I did not have eyebrows when I was a little kid because I had, excuse me, I had a Very, very blonde hair back then, so my eyebrows were even lighter than they are now.
I literally thought they were non-existent.
I remember Amelia Clark from Game of Thrones, everyone talking about how ridiculously expressive her eyebrows were.
There were like caterpillars crawling across her forehead.
And how it was just like, people were like, Jesus, that lady's got some eyebrows.
She's going crazy with them things.
And I was just like, man, I... Never in a million years could I think to be like a high, like just invested in eyebrows.
But here we are.
Here we are now.
When the first photo was shown of him, on the photo of him in the taxi or whatever with the mask and it was him like looking and you can see the eyebrows, I was like, oh shit, those are some good eyebrows.
I knew fanfic would show up for him, but I didn't really know how to search it.
So shout out to Talia Jane.
It was either on Twitter or Blue Sky.
She had a screenshot of someone who had written fanfiction about him.
But I knew it.
I knew it was coming.
You can't be that mysterious and...
I mean, he was made for social media and the Monopoly money?
Come on!
That is some, you know, that is some, like, Gotham needs a higher class of criminal joker shit.
I went through all his social media and everything that I could find, and I saw that on his Twitter at a certain point, the tweets just kind of read, like, tweet number 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8. So I was wondering if Q, people were baking any of that, or if Q was baking any aspect of this mic.
What I saw was people baked the Pokemon that he had on his wallpaper.
And they were like, that number translates to this Proverbs verse and this, that, the other thing.
And then people were like, what are you getting to Matria when you plug in that Pokemon's name and all that good stuff?
And oh, man.
Yeah, the baking has begun.
I mean, it was inevitable that it was going to happen.
That was the mushroom Pokemon, right?
Yeah.
Like in the shrooms, according to his Goodreads that I definitely looked way too into.
Yeah.
Okay, good.
I will say, despite some of the bad taste, there was some good stuff in the Goodreads, including the Lorax, which I thought was funny.
He also read the Avatar comic book series, which I really liked.
I thought it was funny that he read, like, Harry Potter and Hunger Games and the Enders series and all that.
It just was, like, very, like, kid revolutionary book stuff, even though obviously...
Yeah, he had read all the...
His digital footprint basically goes back to when he was like 12 years old, so there's so much just shit on this guy.
But yeah, obviously now in his later years he was like a field...
I'm glad there was no World Wide Web when I was 12 because I do not want a paper trail like that.
I can't imagine if I went back and scrolled through MySpace and I saw some article.
I'm losing what magazine it was in, but they were trying to say that this was predictive because the guy played Among Us.
And they're like, sometimes when he played Among Us, he was the killer.
And I'm like, okay, if you've played even one game of Among Us, then you would know that the killer is randomly assigned.
It's absolutely meaningless that he was sus when he played Among Us.
He played Assassin's Creed.
It's weird because on ATS... I don't want to give a shout out to the actual website, but if you know it, you know it.
On ATS, the conversations have been, you know, I haven't dug into it too deep.
The conversations about this topic have been reality based?
Am I missing something or is ATS not as terrible as BIN? You're going to have to explain...
Alright, I'll say Above Top Secret and Before It's News.
And the people on Above Top Secret, I just even took another sneak peek.
They're being pretty rational.
I'm not seeing conspiracy theories.
I'm seeing debates about healthcare.
This is really...
I mean, this is just a cursory glance at Above Top Secret, but this is weird.
I even saw kind of like what, I mean, there was like my very incredibly normie like paper of record here, even had a somewhat nuanced take in one of their pieces on it, which I thought was pretty wild.
That's like nothing that I've ever seen.
They did have one that was like completely wild, but they had another one that was pretty nuanced, which they almost never do, which I thought it was interesting.
Just some people's reaction to this is very interesting.
Maybe I missed it, but I was thinking this is so ripe for conspiracy theories, but maybe I missed it.
Please correct me if I did.
I didn't really...
See anyone reporting on any theories until after he was caught.
Is that kind of accurate?
I don't know.
I think that there was a lot of...
I wouldn't say reporting actual people doing news talking about it on that level, but there were a lot of folks that really thought this was going to be a Shinso Abe thing where America was just going to get together arm in arm and be like, yeah, that guy sucked and he deserved to get it.
And now we're going to have this kind of revolution where we go against the principles of this healthcare CEO. That was the thing that was really just, guys, calm down.
Get over yourselves.
We're actually not going to have a worker's utopia because someone blew away a healthcare CEO. The world is not going to become a better place as a result of this.
We're not going to get the big payoff as a result of this.
Well, the internet's been fun for at least a few days.
I mean, that's the thing whenever you have any one of these kind of shootings is, you know...
Like, I mean, I guess we'll have to find out what exactly he was thinking, why he did it.
But I mean, a lot of times it's like they seem to think like they're going to be the spark that starts in the revolution, you know?
They're going to be like that girl in 1984 throwing, you know, throwing a brick at the TV and shattering Big Brother mid-speech.
And it's like, no, no, I'm sorry.
Of course, if you were, you know, thinking straight about this stuff, you probably wanted to do something like that in the first place.
I gotta mention it.
I gotta mention it.
We mentioned it before the show.
There is a pretty sizable conspiracy in the conspiracy world that Pelosi was responsible for the assassin.
Like, she basically took out the hit because Luigi Mangione was about to test...
No, the healthcare worker was about to...
Testify against Pelosi and Luigi took him out.
Which is incredibly funny to paint Pelosi as like, you know, just like the first shot of the revolution.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Stephanie.
You can cut people off.
I'm sorry if I cut you off earlier.
What I find ironic is and I'm not even going into morality.
The irony of so much of this is every mention of the CEO in the mainstream media talks about how he was a father of two and he had worked for the company, blah, blah, blah, to humanize him, right?
And now that the killer has been caught, they're using the same elements that the CEO had of being wealthy, Against the killer now.
Look...
That's weird to me.
That's like that Noam Chomsky manufacturing consent shit.
Like...
The kid's wealth really doesn't have anything to do with this.
The CEO's wealth does.
Well, I think that that mostly just comes from the fact that a lot of people thought, again, this was a class warfare thing, that this was a poor person who'd been brought to ruin by the corrupt American health insurance system.
Lashing out and striking out against one of the people that was behind the system that had hurt them and had ruined their life.
And it turns out, no, this kid's actually got fuck you money.
He's actually incredibly wealthy.
I don't know if he's like...
His family comes for money and he went to a nice school, but he did have complications because of his back surgery.
And also the fact that he has...
Wealth, but he's still angry enough to do that.
I think also, like, everybody can be fucked over, but I did kind of speculate at the beginning, was like, is this class-on-class crime, you know?
He's obviously not, comes from wealth in the way that you could afford, like...
Yeah, I think everybody assumed it was a classism thing at first.
Because everything I saw was, you know, they're like, oh, it's the proletariat rising up against the bourgeoisie, you know?
Right.
And that's what I think is the whole thing about bringing up his wealth is just like, wow, our priors were not confirmed.
How interesting.
So that would be my take on it, was just that like...
would be the one to do this.
It's like, why you'd be, I mean, again, he was a Confederate sympathizer and all, but it was really weird that John Wilkes Booth, one of the most famous actors in America, just murdered the president.
That's not something really crazy, rich, famous people do.
So I think that was more of a...
Yeah, he was loved.
Women were after him.
He was, like, considered super hot.
Yes.
And he killed Lincoln.
Yeah.
He was like, you know what?
I'm just going to throw my life away to blow away the president.
No, that really didn't work out very well.
I remember I actually read something about that whole thing.
It was...
It was not so much that he was famous as that he came from a famous family.
Yeah.
Like, his father and his brother were, like, better known.
Like, the way I put it was, like I said, it's not so much that Alec Baldwin shot the president, it's more like Stephen Baldwin shot the president.
Well, he was, but he, I mean, he was very, he was, he was a different kind of actor, but he definitely, he was a heartthrob.
Ladies loved him.
I want to retract my statement because of this photo.
He's alright.
He's more Luigi Mangione.
Yeah.
The whole story of Luigi is so weird, because we're getting these tales of, oh, he was so banged up, he couldn't even have sex, and meanwhile, he's got Chinese 10-pack abs, which El made me state for the pod that when he saw the photos of Luigi's thirst trap pics, it reminded him of Chinese soldiers, and thusly the podcast.
But just...
Go ahead, Steph.
You can just yell at me.
Okay, well, and also...
I'm not a doctor.
Just want to say that.
Could someone with serious back problems perform the feet study?
I'm just asking questions.
Getting on the bike and pedaling away real fast.
I've seen actual biking truthers being like, oh, he was probably loaded up on Oxy when he got on the bike.
Basically, he got on the bike and he wasn't wearing the regular mask.
He was wearing the Bane mask and he was just breathing in the analgesics to just keep the pain low enough to pedal away.
Who knows?
Who knows exactly?
The rich tapestry of life that is Luigi.
And now he's in our lives for the next year or two.
He's going to be the OJ trial.
It's going to be ridiculous.
Unless there's a Jack Ruby that shows up somewhere.
I'm sorry, I forgot.
No, you can bring up Jack Ruby.
You can trot on my fields.
That's fine.
He was kind of suggesting that somebody should Jack Ruby him, which was interesting contrast with the, yay, Daniel Penny just got off for executing that black homeless guy on the subway.
But we won't get into that either because this isn't the same podcast it used to be.
We're here to talk about Pizzagate.
Yes.
Oh, that's right.
That is what we're here for.
My favorite part about this all was before episode one of this, Chaley was just like, man, so glad we're doing this.
Fuck the news.
Getting right into the good stuff.
Getting deep on Pizzagate.
And now Chaley's just sitting here going, I could talk about the ridiculous racism, Daniel Petty getting away with murder, but this dumb podcast is going to make me talk about Pizzagate.
So I guess we have to do that now.
This is bullshit.
Just insert some little references to it, you know, while we're talking about Pizzagate, just like how...
Yeah, we can keep things updated, you know, or modern, you know, with the Pizzagate.
Yeah, just talk to the pop culture reference every now and then.
And I'll do some 9-11 references, Mike could do some JFK references.
I don't want to do that!
I didn't do that!
How are No, I'm saying we can all focus on our little leash.
I don't want to weave shit in to just get my shit in.
How many...
I've done, like, what, 250 episodes of Hellworld?
How many garbage references have I weaseled into the show?
What about Maroney?
Like, seven?
Like, I don't talk about my dumb shit.
I don't make it all about me!
Ecomaniacal idiot, Mike Raines!
If you play the Adventures of Hell World podcast episodes backwards, there are secret messages to Shirley Manson.
There are...
Please, please don't say these things.
It's actually a huge fanfic about Rob Reiner.
I talk more about Rob Reiner than I do Shirley Manson on this podcast.
That's an actual true thing.
That's an actual fact.
100% factual statement.
Ugh.
Okay.
Anyhow, anyhow, there was this guy named Seth Rich, and he was shot to death on Sunday, July 10th, 2016. And it was a big deal for idiots and morons on the internet who wanted to lie about shit, because that is what they do.
Because as we talked about in our previous episode, a lot of mainstream Pizzagate was all about fomenting division in the Democratic Party voter base.
And thus, this whole idea around Seth Rich was created that he was this disenfranchised Bernie bro who hated Hillary Clinton, hated what the DNC had done to St. Bernie, how they fucked him out of the nomination and all this hated what the DNC had done to St. Bernie, how they Pulled all the shenanigans and tomfoolery they pulled.
And that as a result of his outrage, Seth Rich hacked the DNC, handed over those thumb drives to Julian Assange,
And as a result of all of this, mass murdering psychopath Hillary Clinton had Seth Rich iced.
Because you don't cross Hillary without getting Ark incited.
That's how America and the world works.
So...
This became a big part of the mythos around the Podesta emails, that they were not hacked by the Russians, they were hacked by Seth Rich, and that the DNC and Hillary Clinton knew this, and they struck poor Seth Rich down.
In the Q drops, this even comes up, that Seth Rich was murdered by the Mexican gang.
MS-16, did I get that right?
Do I win a cookie?
I think it's 13, isn't it?
MS-13, yeah, I didn't.
We're all...
No, I think you're right with 13. Yeah, so this is...
This was a big part of the whole story was that Seth Rich's murder was not what it appeared to be.
This was not a robbery gone wrong, which is...
What actually happened, basically, on the evidence we have, which is not great, because this was...
Like, just crime in Washington, D.C., which is an ever-prevalent problem in that city, slash district, slash not a state that needs to be a state, because we're about to have a lot of federal pardons, thanks to our new president, who's gonna be really bad for us.
They didn't solve it because the po-po can't solve shit.
They can barely solve shit.
You know what?
Relevant.
Let's just take an example with the Luigi Mangioni.
That's like, I've been to New York City.
That place is swimming with cops.
I felt like I was at Disney World with how secure, like so-called secure, it felt with like all these cops in little mini cars running around.
And it's like, that guy did that shit and got away and the cops wouldn't have found shit.
They thought he was like in Atlanta or some shit and some just random at McDonald's found him.
They would have never fucking found him.
That's the relevant, there you go.
That's why they couldn't solve Seth Rich.
In the conspiracy community at the time, I didn't get into the Seth Rich stuff, and I'm just going from raw recollection.
There was the same talk as what would later happen with the shooting at Comet was about, oh, isn't it convenient how these CCTV cameras just happened to be out at the time?
And going forward, make sure everybody understands this.
And this comes from my knowledge of listening to hundreds, if not thousands of hours of true crime shit.
CCTV timestamps are never accurate, number one.
And number two, CCTV is It's always going to go down.
The janitor at Columbine was in the middle of changing one of the videotapes for the security cameras when the shit started happening in the cafeteria.
So, you know, shit happens with CCTV. And I don't know if the CCTV actually was down when the shooting of Seth Rich happened.
But, yeah, they...
That was one thing that they were talking about and that'll be something that continues with Pizzagate and all conspiracy theories which is the outrageous need for evidence that doesn't exist.
And evidence never actually disproves the conspiracy theory.
This is one of the most important things to understand about people who pull stuff like this, who talk about, oh, if only we would have this evidence, then we could, like, calm down and relax because we would know what was being said.
And that's not true ever because Obama did his long-form birth certificate and then they called that a forgery.
And when Pelosi's husband got hit in the head of a hammer, The conspiracy theorists were like, well, we just want to see the police body camp footage.
And then they showed that.
And they were like, ah, that didn't disprove anything.
And it just goes on and on and on.
It just never stops.
Yeah, it happened with the Sandy Hook parents.
They were like, prove your kid was real.
Okay, here's this birth certificate.
Oh, that looks fishy to me.
Okay, here's this.
And then it finally got to the point where they're like, dig them up.
And they're like, fuck you!
Right.
And that wouldn't be enough.
Yeah, that wouldn't be enough.
Oh my god, yeah, you dig them up, you crack open that coffin, you show up in the child-sized skeleton with all the bones shattered from the bolts, and they're like, ah, that was put in there, that's not a real coffin.
Yeah, they'll just say, oh, they faked a body in season one of Traitor Things.
Yep.
Yeah, I just looked it up.
QDrop, $11.95.
And Anon asks Q, when will we find out about Seth Rich in Las Vegas?
And Q replies, SR, connect to DNC, MS, underscore 13. Julian Assange, J-A. And then says, why did D's push legal rep on family?
June ETA. So, in 2018, Q said we were going to get the truth about Seth Rich in June of 2018. So, slight delay there.
I forgot about QAnon's obsession with the Las Vegas shooting until you read that Q drop.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I actually had someone get into me and they were like, you do know that the attack in Las Vegas was Saudi deep state trying to murder Americans and all that stuff.
And I was just like, no, it wasn't.
Calm down.
Shut up.
We'll have to do a one-off episode on that one day.
We can do a deep dive.
I would love to do that.
There's an excellent documentary I think it's called like 54 Minutes or something like that about the shooting and it's really I mean they blur out a lot of the stuff but they interview survivors and it's really moving and I don't want to sometimes documentaries can be dry but because of the subject matter like very action And a lot of it is body cam.
I would love to talk about that because people still don't have a motive.
There's still no motive.
He was mad about casino comps.
That was really one of the main things that came out was that he was a high roller and he wasn't getting enough points on his cards for his stuff.
As a person who's lived in casinos my adult life, I can tell you people are incredibly spoiled rotten.
And if they're not getting their perks, then boy howdy, are they going to lose their shit.
And also I think he was like, because he's a gambler, he was like losing a lot.
And so he had like a lot of stressors on that level.
So he's like down lots of money.
He's not getting his free hotel rooms.
And if he's getting free hotel rooms, they're not big.
It's palatial and beautiful enough for him.
And he's just lost his fucking mind.
He just went apeshit.
This episode would be perfect for you.
Since it's got the gambling element.
Oh, yeah.
There's so many mass shootings that have been baked anyway, like Sandy Hook, obviously.
I think I remember there's some stuff about the Aurora shooting, you know, the one at the...
That was the first one where they started, where Mike Adams, only hours after Aurora happened, on one of his many hundreds of websites, he had posted, is it possible that this is staged?
So that was kind of the precursor for what we saw with Sandy Hook, with the explosion of the Crisis Act or stuff.
Yeah.
And I've talked about this before, but my friend lives across the street from the Mandalay Bay.
We were on the phone when the shooting happened.
I heard the shooting through his phone.
And we were not finding anything online because no one was reporting it.
And then eventually we found something on the Vegas subreddit.
And then eventually I got the app that led you to listen to police radios.
And I started listening to the Las Vegas police radio.
And my friend had me take down his address and apartment number.
And he was just like, Just in case this goes wrong, this is where I am.
Because if you look where my friend was living, he was so much closer to the shooter than where the shooter was actually firing.
The shooter was firing at far greater a distance than the distance between my friend and the shooter.
He was right there.
The guy could have sneezed and killed my friend if he wanted to.
I'm glad your friend's okay.
I just wanted to make one last comment on this sidetrack before we get back to business.
But That type of story is what pulled me out of my belief in conspiracy theories.
When you have a chance to share a personal story like that, do it.
Because my escape came from me making a comment to a friend.
I'm not so sure about that Sandy Hook thing.
It doesn't look real.
And my friend said, Steph, I work with a parent who lost a kid there.
I didn't ask who, and to this day, I don't want to know.
But personal stories like that with Mike, if someone trusts you, knows you well enough, those are the type of stories that can pull people out.
So never, ever be afraid to share those stories.
Because that's evidence that cannot be faked.
Who's going to be that detailed to fake gunshots so that someone on the phone with someone who lives nearby can hear it?
Yeah.
Yeah, it was a traumatizing night.
Kind of sucked a little.
Yeah.
But anyhow, what we were talking about previously is Assange was being very sneaky about the whole nature of Seth Rich.
And was Seth Rich his contact that got him the Podesta emails or not?
Because again, As we said in episode one, Assange did want to get the ball rolling here to damage the Clinton campaign and to help the Trump campaign.
And the Mueller report indicated that WikiLeaks received an email containing one of the encrypted files from the DNC from Guccifer 2.0 on July 14th, which was four days after Seth Rich had died.
So the idea that Seth Rich was...
That Assange's contact is bullshit.
And this was like an interview in Europe at the time.
And the interviewer pushes Assange on this repeatedly.
Because Assange makes these comments about Seth Rich.
And then the reporter's like, are you saying Seth Rich is your contact?
And Assange's like, well, we don't discuss who our contacts are.
We don't get into that.
We maintain anonymity in them.
And then the interviewer is like, so, but you brought Seth Rich up for a reason.
Why'd you do that?
And Assange is just doing the whole, oh, I'm real.
Just, who knows?
I just brought him up.
That was nothing to it.
Winky, winky.
Hillary killed him.
He's obviously my source.
I want you people to feel that way about the situation.
So, of all the various and sundry things about Assange, him just being a real piece of shit about Seth Rich's murder is way up there.
And one thing that I was reading in this article, it was an interview from a couple years ago with Seth Rich's parents, and what it mentioned was that right-wing media just leapt on this idea that it was Seth Rich, largely because that way it wasn't Russia interfering in the election.
It was some jaded Democrat who was having a sad that Bernie didn't make it.
Right.
It was the perfect...
This was who they wanted it to be.
They wanted it to be a Bernie Sanders supporter who was outraged at the corruption of the Democrats denying Bernie the nomination.
Because that was the wedge.
That was the wedge they were trying to drive through the Democratic Party to try to splinter it so that Trump would have less of an obstacle to clear to win the presidency.
It's really funny because...
You get to see the rich tapestry of QAnon when you're doing all the dumb shit I'm doing.
And you get half of them are fighting demons and all this other stuff.
And I remember there was this guy called Major Patriot.
We all just called him Major Dad because he was just a huge dork idiot.
And he was just so obviously an old school Republican who just got pilled on this stuff and loved it.
And I just remember in 2020, that guy was just, Biden's taking it away from Sanders!
He's stealing it from Bernie, just like they did in 2016!
Come on, Bernie voters!
Trip on the Trump train!
One more time!
Let's do this!
And it's just like, oh my god.
You have no principles other than you want your orange daddy to win.
That's all you care about.
You would hate Bernie Sanders with the passion of a thousand burning sons if he was the nominee.
Don't give me this bullshit.
Get fucked.
It would get anti-Semitic real quick.
Oh, it would get anti-Semitic real quick.
I forgot about that major dad guy, but once you said his avatar of the generic soldier in backlight popped into my head.
Yep, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Yeah, that guy was a trip.
But my favorite part about him was that he quit.
I just, I love the QAnon promoters to just get out of the game.
They're just like, you know, man, I fought the deep state as hard as I could.
Can't fight the deep state anymore.
I'm out.
Major dad, salute.
And my ultimate favorite hero was Q Todd, the dude who was, he posted a GoFundMe and he was like, I'm really, I got COVID and now I'm really sick.
But it's not long COVID, because if I admitted it was long COVID, that would really ruin my narrative.
But I just have debilitating illnesses post-COVID, and I need mountains of money.
And the dude got between somewhere like $40,000 and $60,000, and then he just dipped.
He was like, thanks for the massive payout, Anons.
See you all later!
Go fight the deep state without me.
I just got a year's pay for free, sucker.
So long as thanks for all the fish.
Yeah.
Douglas, for reference, love it.
And by fish, I mean fat stacks.
So long and thanks for the cash, suckers.
Oh, man.
I need to do that.
I need to just push on GoFundMe.
Like, let me leave social media 60K. That's the whole thing.
It's like, look, I'm just going to leave social media.
If you give me $60,000, hook me up, bros.
Mike Reigns will never talk about QAnon again.
$60,000.
And if you up that payment to a million dollars, he will praise QAnon publicly.
I'll flip.
I'll get pilled.
Pill my grains.
That's why go fund me.
A million dollars.
I'm on your side.
A million dollars, I'm on your side.
I'll sell out.
I have no shame.
Oh my god, yeah.
My price is five million.
I thought about all the money I could have if I just had no scruples.
Because I'm like, I could be such an awesome QAnon grifter if I wanted to be one.
Because I know just what to say.
I know what will make him happy.
I know all the old school stuff, so I could weave that all in and be like, have you heard about the dumbs underneath the Denver International Airport?
Oh, God.
Oh, hell yes.
Oh, man.
That's one of the things that just gets me about all of this stuff.
It's just so easy to rake in money if you're on Team Conspiracy, whereas...
If you're team, like, fact and evidence, you basically have to kind of come from a level of credibility already.
Like, there's probably five trillion books out there that let you know that JFK was murdered by a conspiracy, and they're all written by hacks and schmucks and idiots.
But the only two books that...
Yes, we met one at the Grassy Knoll, and he literally had gory autopsy photos on his table.
You could just, like, most of the autopsy photos of JFK you see in public are in black and white.
This guy had him in fucking color.
He's like, you want to see JFK's exploded head in color on an autopsy slab?
And it's like, no, I actually didn't want to see that.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
And it's like, nope, here you go.
you get this you get to see this this is uh this is why Jackie's outfit was so caked in blood look at it look at that guy's head oh my god it's pulverized holy shit I mean it would be great if that guy actually said all that but I'm sure he's numb to those photos at this point because he trots them out apparently every Sunday for the past four decades
also what really happened is that he was caught in conversation and his wife yelled at him in front of Mike and I to make the damn sale to me because we had to go catch our plane to get the fuck out of Texas And if you want to listen to more of that, listeners, you can go listen to our bonus episode on our trip for the Grassy Knoll.
Yeah, we have, I think that episode's called, like, Mike completes his haj, because that was, I did have to go to Dilly Plaza once in my life to complete my religion of JFK bullshit.
But, yeah, it was really funny.
The guy is just yakking Haley's ear off, and his wife is like, take the 20 bucks, get him moving, get him moving!
His wife's like, we're working the line here, Sonny, I gotta get the rent paid!
His wife was Ethel Merman?
Probably.
I don't know.
I have like three voices in my repertoire and that's all I can use.
So I offer you nothing.
I have nothing to give.
I'm picturing Fred and Ethel selling photos of JFK's exploded head.
The dumbest and best part of his whole thing was the fact, I mean, the literature he would sign, the gory photos, all the rest of it.
There was a giant sign on the picket fence of the grassy knoll that said, this is the famous grassy knoll.
I just love the idea that you would be in Daly Plaza with the murder exes on the road and the Texas School Book Depository looming over you in the background.
And you would just be sitting there going, I wonder where the grassy knoll is.
I can't put two and two together here.
But, oh, I dio spio!
Thank you, giant sign!
To be fair to the sign, I'm not 100% sure I even know what a knoll is.
It's just the like intersection and a road that kind of has a little bit of grass because literally it's just kind of like you're basically right by a major highway like for this like where the X is and a bunch of people keep running out as people are trying to go to fucking work trying to get on the main road and it's just kind of like that grassy like part It's a hill.
It's a tiny dumb hill.
There's nothing to it.
I always thought it was just a Christmas song.
It is just...
It is the most nondescript chunk of dirt you've ever seen in your life.
It's literally nothing.
It's so...
Dealey Plaza itself is just so small and insignificant.
It's just like, man, there is so little going on here.
It is not even funny.
But that sign just always made me chuckle because it's just...
If you're here, you're here for a reason and you know the geography.
There's three whole things in this area that matter.
The X's on the street, the Texas School Book Depository, and the Knoll.
If you can't figure them out, then how did you make it to Daly Plaza in the first place?
It's so funny because it says that Oswald allegedly shot Kennedy and allegedly is practically carved out of the plaque.
It's been dug into so much.
Yeah, lunatics with X-Acto knives have carved into the plaque so much that the word allegedly is almost going to fall out of the historical marker because people just want to let you know that they're brain poisoning by...
American conspiracy culture has made it such that you're going to know that Oswald is only allegedly accused of killing JFK because he was never convicted in a court of law, which holds the same weight as John Wilkes Booth allegedly assassinating Abraham Lincoln.
It's the exact same thing.
Well, I mean, Lee Hart, they had to put in the word alleged.
Didn't you say something that you had spoken to one of the people who worked there and you were like, why is the word allegedly there?
And they were like...
Okay, it was someone else that I heard this from, that the reason the word allegedly is there is because Oswald never made it to even be charged or tried in court, so they have to say allegedly.
Oh, no, no, I understand that, but I'm not denying that the word allegedly shouldn't be there.
Oh, no, no, no, it's just, but that word is accurate.
Even if you're a conspiracy theorist, you have to accept that word as accurate because he never made it to court.
Well, it's the opposite.
Us Warren Commission people have to accept it's accurate because the conspiracy people, they were like, he's innocent!
Fuck you!
But anyhow, anyway, man, we are so lost in the weeds.
Seth Rich.
Seth Rich killed JFK. That seems reasonable at this point.
I'm willing to go there.
I'm willing to blame him for everything.
The other thing that these people love about Seth Rich is there's a photo of him wearing a flag outfit.
There's a picture of him...
Drinking a beer, chilling on a lawn, in a chair, and he's got the pants and the shirt and the American flag.
And if Seth Rich was alive, they would vomit.
They would be so sick of some fucking liberal piece of shit desecrating the American flag by wearing it as clothing.
But because he was murdered, and they can try to pin his murder on Hillary Clinton, they can be like, look at this patriot!
Look at this guy who loved America!
They murdered him!
Those bastards murdered him!
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I had listened to a podcast called Conspiracyland about the Seth Richard murder.
And the reason that picture exists is because Seth was apparently...
Like, this idealistic, like, optimistic, patriotic dude.
Like, he was that guy that, like, you kind of like, you're like, oh, you sweet summer child, you still believe?
But it was also, we need those sweet summer children to still believe, you know?
And he was one of those, and that's why he was dressed like that.
And that is why he would have never leaked shit to WikiLeaks.
Yeah, exactly.
His parents were saying that in that interview that I read, that he wasn't wearing the outfit, ironically.
It was the 4th of July, and he put it on because he just loves his country so much.
And then, sorry, there was another point that Stephanie reminded me of, but I can't remember it now, so I'll shut up.
No, I don't have this in front of me, but I do remember some people talking about how Seth was planning on doing stuff for the Hillary campaign.
That was it.
That was what I was going to mention.
He was telling his parents that he was excited to move to her campaign headquarters and start doing the good work.
Right.
The whole idea of him being a disenfranchised Bernie bro was made out of thin air.
Because they wanted him to be that, because that was the narrative they wanted to promote.
That was the whole goal of this thing.
So these ghouls did this shit.
The Seth Rich family has sued all these different people.
Fox News has eventually paid them some money and has stopped saying this shit as best they can.
But they can't help the fact that the whole right-wing griftosphere is full of this nonsense.
And in the smoothest segue you've ever heard...
We're going to move to one of those pieces of shit who used the Seth Rich murder in order to try to make a buck off that and establish their bona fides via Pizzagate and all the rest of it.
And this is where we turn to our expert about this terrible monster, Chaley!
Chaley, tell us all about Jack the Sobic, America's greatest monster and most terrible human being who has ever lived.
Yeah, he's tweeted about me before, so it's my turn to go back at him.
Boom, Jack, get on this.
So, Jack Posobiec, yes, he was one of the people that was pushing the Seth Rich conspiracies pretty hard.
We'll get into that later.
But people probably know Jack Posobiec from being the most annoying guy on Twitter.
He's the one that's always like, holy fucking schlitt, look at this!
He's so annoying.
I don't get his appeal.
But he posts 1,000 times a day and has millions of followers across social media and works with Turning Point USA. Yeah.
And also the Trump.
So he's just got a huge network at this point.
He went from a shit poster to whatever this is.
So anyway, he's a 40-year-old man.
I have to mention that.
He's from Pennsylvania.
His parents were Democrats.
Stephanie and I both thought this was very interesting, that he wanted to originally go into entertainment.
He tried to audition for Broadway.
It didn't work out.
Politics was not the first thing he wanted to do.
He wanted to go be a writer or an actor.
He wanted...
To do some stand-up comedy.
It didn't work out.
He actually had a bit part in a movie with Jackie Chan and Jet Li called The Forbidden Kingdom while he was living abroad in China.
I didn't watch the movie.
I didn't want to do that much research, but it's just about a teenager who's transported to ancient China Due to a magical staff or something.
Jack Posobiec just plays a bit part bully, which I thought was funny.
It looks exactly like him, too.
Just, like, shitty Jack Posobiec.
But he was also into, like, right-wing politics pretty young.
He was, like, at his university, he was the chairman of the College Republicans.
He interned for Rick Santorum.
Whack.
So yeah, and he graduated Temple University with a double major in broadcast journalism and political science.
So he has a degree in broadcast journalism.
He knows that he's spewing shit.
He knows what the ethics in journalism are, and he chooses to forego those for whatever the career is that he's chosen.
So yeah, he was also in the U.S. Navy.
He worked about a year at Guantanamo Bay, and he literally started on September 11, 2012, which is when Benghazi happened.
I just thought that was all, you know, if Jack Posobiec was creating a conspiracy about Jack Posobiec, that would get ringed in there.
Um, but, uh, he worked for the Office of Naval Intelligence and he resigned from his job, uh, because that he was, there was claims that he was, uh, like basically a toxic person to work with, uh, but he claimed he was being persecuted for, you know, being like a Trump guy.
He had already started working in the Trump sphere when he left the military.
He had already been retweeted by Donald Trump, and the retweet was literally Posobiec basically defending the Unite the Right hate rally and questioning why the media wasn't covering violence in Chicago.
So he was just a piece of shit from the start.
Also simultaneously, this is a little bit off the subject, but simultaneously around this time, before he changed his at to at Jack Posobiec, he was at Angry GOT fan, which is Angry Game of Thrones fan.
He changed his app on August 29th, 2016. And his account was basically him just complaining about the show and the depictions of, like, how white men were treated in the show.
And you could tell he was racist, a piece of shit, a little Nazi from the start, because he would also complain about, like, the show creators, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, by putting the triple parentheses around their name, which is...
A neo-Nazi dog whistle for saying that they're Jews.
The echoes.
Their names echo through history.
And also he had a very large number of tweets that had the 1488 dog whistle in them.
Yep, yep.
He's worked with white supremacists book publications.
He's got a long history of being a white supremacist piece of shit.
He was semi in the Richard Spencer's fear in his early days, but then they had beef when he worked for Rebel News.
Like, he was working alongside Gavin McGinnis, who's, like, the guy who founded the fucking Proud Boys.
Like, he was fired from Rebel News for plagiarizing one of the Unite the Right organizers.
Like, he's a big old piece of shit.
Also, his book Unhumans, which I want to read all the way through, is literally just like why we should kill all liberals and leftists in America because they're not actually people.
That book has its own Wikipedia page.
That's how fucking wild that book is.
But anyway, the Game of Thrones thing, I just have to mention, like, he compared Daenerys to Hillary Clinton and, like, the ice wall to the border, obviously.
But he also wrote Donald Trump's Sansa fan fiction, which is, she's a teenager.
She's a teenager.
Yeah, yeah, Sansa is very young, and because George R.R. Martin loves his historically accurate child sex that he...
This is a man who really wants to talk about the fact that in war there's lots of raping after the warring army wins and conquers the civilian area.
That in medieval times, once you had your period, people were trying to knock you up and put a kid in you.
And he also loves food.
The man loves food.
These are things that you're not shaking out of George R.R. Martin's narratives, no matter how politically inconvenient they are, because that's the truth of the world.
The other truth of the world is that George R.R. Martin has no pages.
If any of you idiots think you're getting another book out of that man from the Game of Thrones series, you are so fucking wrong, it is not even funny.
The man's got the HBO money.
HBO already tanked the finish of his series.
He's never writing one more sentence of those books.
Dream on.
It's done.
It's done, Ski.
It's over.
It's finished.
I have never been more right about a prediction than this.
So, I'm just going to make that clear.
No, you're so right.
Yes.
And also, he stole his initials from J.R.R. Tolkien.
Did he?
Yes.
Did he work that off?
That's so funny.
Yeah.
But yeah, so anyway, the guy that is, like, one of the key figures that pushed Pizzagate literally wrote Donald Trump, 13-year-old, like, character fanfiction.
So, you know, ew, Jack.
Anyways, so he was involved in a lot of early hoaxes that you might remember from the early Trump years.
He held up that Rape Melania sign at an anti-Trump protest, basically to make some anti-Trump protesters look bad.
Him and Laura Loomer crashed a production of Julius Caesar because it depicted Trump as Caesar.
Loomer got arrested at that.
And this was a bit they knew they could do and they knew that idiots would bite on it because this is a production company that put the president in that role all the time.
Obama had been assassinated in that theater production previously.
So they knew these people were going to do, they're going to reenact it with Trump as the president.
And they could throw themselves on the fainting couch over, oh, look, these far-left liberal lunatics are murdering Trump in a theater production because they're so bloodthirsty and violent.
And the lead role was played by Kathy Griffin.
I'm joking.
No, it wasn't.
Stephanie will be here all week trying to feel it's extra cruel.
No, but they lost their shit over that with...
Whatever.
No, but it was intentional outrage is what I'm trying to get at because they had done it with Obama.
The Kathy Griffin thing was intentional too because they did way worse every single day before and after the Kathy Griffin thing.
Oh, of course!
But I'm just saying, that theater production troupe, they knew that theater production troupe was going to do it.
They had done the shows with Trump previous to it, so they knew what they were getting into when they ran on that stage and started crying about their orange daddy being slain by the corrupt senators.
As a lot of people have pointed out, have these people ever seen Julius Caesar?
Do they think that play is a play that embraces political violence?
That the assassination of Caesar is like a win for the assassins?
It's like, actually no, they all lose.
They all die.
Then Octavius just crushes the Republic even harder and wins even more than his dad did.
So yeah, it's like, do you know Shakespeare or actual Roman history?
Y slash N? Hard N. Hard N all day.
So yeah.
Another stint that Posobiec pulled that I feel like shows that he will attack real people in real life is that when that Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore was accused of sexual assault, including by the woman who was 14 at the time, Um, uh, he was, he, he doxed her basically.
He revealed where she worked and she got like severe threats at her workplace.
So, you know, just a real piece of shit from the beginning.
And he still does like stunts.
Like he was the one that put out that deep fake of Biden announcing the draft last year, which he like basically it was an edit of an AI that he had bought the year before.
Like he had like purchased that AI video to be made.
So he's like purposefully putting out disinformation.
He was the first person to tweet about the Macron leaks.
He was the first person to take that basically from 4chan and put it on Twitter.
And he's been like a key figure in the Stop the Steal campaign.
But the Seth Rich stuff is interesting.
So when he was pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy, he teamed up with a group of brothers who marched in Unite the Right, in the Unite the Right neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville.
Jeffrey and Edward Clark.
He hired them to help him make a document, like a quote unquote documentary about Seth Rich.
Um And the Clark brothers made news after the 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue shooting where 11 people were killed by a neo-Nazi terrorist.
These brothers communicated with the murderer on Gab.
And had planned, like, allegedly planned other acts of violence together.
One of the brothers killed himself literally hours after the synagogue shooting.
And the other one was picked up on federal gun charges later.
Posobiec totally denies that he, like, was going to make a documentary with these guys or made a documentary with these guys.
guys but there's photos of him like wandering around dc filming with these dudes that are on huffington post so he is this the recreation Where they recreate His death?
Because I heard that there was a video done where somebody did this horrific recreation of it as some kind of performance art piece.
Was that the same thing?
That was another guy who worked for Fox News.
I can't remember his name at the moment.
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
You can ask questions.
We interrupt each other all the time here.
And can you explain more about the Macron leaks?
I did read a little bit about it, but something just wasn't clicking in my head to make me understand.
I don't really know what the details of the Macron leaks were, but it was, I think, explicitly actually Russian intelligence, not actually blue and non-type Russia, Russia, Russia.
It was some shit that was put on 4chan and Posobiec.
I don't know what the Macron actually detailed.
Mike, do you know anything about that?
No?
Yeah.
If any listeners know...
But anyway, I think the stuff with Seth Rich is interesting with the Clark brothers because it shows how actually intertwined Posobiec is with, like, the really violent neo-Nazis.
Like, a lot of people...
He'll deny that he's a white supremacist, but I think he's one of the more extreme people in the Trump orbit.
But then...
What's up, Eric?
You got something?
Yeah.
I was just going to say I had to laugh because I was looking him up on the...
No, it wasn't the ADL. It was the Southern Poverty Law Center.
They listed his ideology as general hate.
Like, the guy can't even pick a lane.
He just hates everybody who ain't really white.
Yeah, yeah.
He...
A real piece of shit.
But anyways, so the Pizzagate years, besides the Seth Rich stuff and all the other conspiracies, this one kind of helped launch the Posobiec, like...
I don't know, just not his career.
I guess you can call it his career.
You know, it's where he kind of blew up, was the Pizzagate, Seth Richards.
And there was a lot of conspiracies, obviously, about Pizzagate at the time, and a lot of people, like, posting about it.
But Posobiec actually went in person.
He went a few weeks before the actual shooting, live streaming on Periscope.
Um...
And, uh, he was tweeting beforehand, like, that Pizzagate may be bigger than expected.
He would later deny that he tweeted about Pizzagate.
But, um, so he goes into, like, he's livestreamed for, like, an hour, and I was watching this again, kind of, before we went on.
And it's just, he's very annoying.
I don't know why people like this guy.
Uh, he acts like he's doing, like, Like, a big, you know, like, he's doing, like, military code while walking to the pizza parlor.
Like, he's, you know, he said he had to do a rosary before going in.
Like, you know, I'm not, you know, he's like, we might not get arrested.
It'll be way worse.
Like, implying he'll get, like, tortured for going into the pizza gate.
And, um...
Out of curiosity, did he seriously pray an entire rosary?
Because that takes, like, half an hour if you do it right.
Yeah.
He didn't do it on camera, but he said he did it right before that they got there, so you'll have to take him at his word there.
And who wouldn't trust Jack Posobiec?
He would never lie to us.
Oh my god.
It's Comet Ping Pong, not The Pizza Gate.
That'd be the funniest place ever.
I'm going to the Pizzagate to get a slice.
They named it after the Watergate, only it's pizza.
Yeah, he goes to Comet Pink Kong.
He also goes to Besta Pizza.
Do you guys know much about Besta Pizza?
I just know that they got some of the splashover from the Comet bullshit, but yeah.
Eric's nodding vigorously, so...
Yeah, they have a triangle logo, so they seem to have gotten a little baked.
Posobiec was pointing that out when he walked by.
He's like, look, there's the pedophile symbol.
Like...
And obviously triangles are extremely popular symbols to use for pizza places because it looks like a slice of pizza.
But no, that can't be it.
He was also baking the other business next door.
It was called Red Little Fox.
Does anyone know what that's about?
Why that would be baked?
Why that was...
It was something with...
I don't know that restaurant specifically, but I remember one of the narratives from the conspiracy world was that...
And we mentioned it last episode that it wasn't just Comet.
And, of course, basements and underground tunnels.
So they were claiming that there was this whole underground, literally, you know, like an underground railroad for trafficking children.
And so they were saying, you know, it was limited to certain areas, but within like a certain block radius of Comet.
We're all these connected restaurants, so you could get into the basement of one from the basement of another and, like, get these, like, secret tunnels.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
One thing I want to correct myself from earlier, because I just looked it up, the guy who reenacted Seth Rich's murder, his name is Jack Berkman, and he doesn't work for Fox.
He was a Republican lobbyist.
He's the guy who hangs out with, who's his buddy?
Jack Berkman and that other skeezy guy.
Jacob Wall.
Yes, yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I watched some videos with Gay Dave on his Twitch stream the one night.
That was like my first introduction to what those chuds looked like.
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Um, so anyway.
Yeah, so Sposebeck goes in the pizza comet ping pong and starts peeing and shitting himself and crying and pretending that he's watching children getting vivisected before him.
Basically, everything is suspicious that he walks by.
A group of women pass by him and he basically acts like they're probably like Hillary ops.
So when he walks by, he's like, oh man, I'm really upset that Hillary just lost.
Yeah.
You know, like, he's being really obnoxious, but then he gets inside and he's being suspicious that the employees are being nice to him.
He's like, they're being too nice.
And then he keeps saying, like, oh, I want to play foosball.
I want to play foosball.
And the ladies that he's talking to is, like, confused.
And he's telling his chat, like, she doesn't know what I'm talking about.
Isn't that weird?
It's like her second or third day there, and everybody knows what the game is.
Not everybody knows it's called foosball.
I don't even think it was foosball.
I was looking at it, and I'm like, those are all ping pong tables, because it's Comet ping pong, and the thing is that they play ping pong, not foosball.
I think he was pointing at the ping pong, why she was confused.
I'm not 100% sure, but all I saw was ping pong tables in there, and also their logo is the ping pong table.
Like, crossed, which that's also, they claim, is a pedophile symbol.
Well, I listened to the Knowledge Fight episode about Jack Bosowiak, and they played, like, clips from that video he made in Comet.
And it's like, he was just in there to be a suspicious dick.
Like, sit down, act normal.
Is this your spycraft?
Because you suck.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's like, there's two doors to get into the bathroom area.
Isn't that weird?
Like, okay, what happens in between the two doors?
Is there a portal?
Like, there can't be that much going on in between the two fucking doors.
But anyway...
He eventually gets sniffed out.
I think somebody calls, because you can see one of the guys he was talking to on the phone, on the video, and Jack is like, oh, I think I got burned.
And the camera goes off for a minute, and then he turns it back on, and they're telling him to get the fuck out, and they're telling him, we understand that this is funny to you, but we've been getting death threats because of this.
And he gets kicked out, and he's like, oh, all I wanted to do was order some garlic knots, And then he goes, like, a couple days later on InfoWars.
It's with Owen Schroyer, though.
It's not even Alex.
And he's just telling them that, like, the place was weird.
The people were clearly hiding something.
There was children running around the parlor, going down to a secret door that had candlelight, and there was weird artwork.
Um...
So yeah, he's just completely like, you know, and then the shooting happens a few weeks later.
So he basically stops claiming that he was into Pizzagate.
I went back and checked, and yeah, the stuff that he did tweet about Pizzagate is deleted.
Even though he still posts about that Marina...
Abramovic or whatever the fuck her name is to this day.
Marina Abramovic.
Yeah.
It was super funny.
I made a tweet that I also reposted on Blue Sky about Marina Abramovic and how she's Really a nobody.
And QAnon and their ilk are the ones doing the most promoting of her.
And I got a bunch of replies saying, how dare you?
Marina Abramovich is a legend.
What are you talking about, bro?
And I just sat there gobsmacked.
I was like, calm down.
No one knows who she is.
She's literally the QAnon lady that is a witch.
And there's nothing original about it.
Back, I think it was in the 80s.
It's been a long time since I had or read this book.
It was called Research, R-E backslash search was the publication.
It was called Angry Women.
There's a singer called Diamanda Galas, and she's like an opera singer, but she's contemporary.
And if any of you have seen Natural Born Killers, you have heard some of her music, which Trent Reznor inserted into, she does a version of I Put a Spell on You on Natural Born Killers.
So, she did a thing, like, she somehow tricked a church into letting her perform there, and she came out naked, covered in, like, pig's blood.
So, you know, and this was, this is like the, Marina, however you say her last name.
Marina Abramovich.
Thank you.
She's, you know, from what I can see of her artwork, She is kind of in that same vein as Diamanda Colas, Annie Sprinkle, Lydia Lunch.
It was like this new wave of outrageous feminists who did wacky performance art just to offend and piss off the possibilities.
There's nothing different.
There's nothing different.
These people don't know about art or the real world.
Yeah, she did an exhibit, I think, in London recently, probably in the last, I don't know, five years.
That's what I consider recent because I've lost all sense of time.
But Marina did an exhibit, and the big hook on the exhibit was that there was a naked female and a naked male model that were on either side of the entranceway, and you had to walk through them, so you might have to touch a dong or a boob on your way in.
And it was just like, oh, the scandal of it all.
And then it turned out there was another entrance if you didn't want to do that shit.
If you just didn't want to traipse past the naked folks, you were able to go through the non-naked people entrance to see the exhibit.
So, yeah, that's her shtick.
That's the performance art.
Yeah.
These people have turned her into an actual witch, which makes her way cooler than she actually is.
It's funny, because I remember I mentioned this last week, I'm not even into that kind of stuff, and I found it all extremely derivative, what she does.
Yeah.
It's like elite art.
It's like the only people that are into this, they're paying way too much money for a ticket.
And I mean, a lot of it, a lot of her performance piece is based on like Philemite, because it's based on Crowley's Gnostic mass.
And I mean, come on.
I said, we'll probably get into this later because it does come up.
But the stuff that the Pizzagate guys bake the most was a piece called Spirit Cooking, which even she said is directly based on Aleister Crowley.
Yeah, Spirit Cooking...
No, Ozzy Osbourne said Crowley, so I'm saying Crowley.
Yeah.
But, yeah, Spirit Cooking is just a dumb book of silly poems, and there's nothing to any of it.
Again, it's just nonsense.
It's just poetry, where she has these fake recipes you can cook that are like...
Half a pound of butter and three butterfly kisses.
And that kind of stuff.
And if you get a kick out of that sort of thing, then hey, that kind of art speaks to you.
Combobulations of Lizagirth.
But if you don't care...
That's also fine.
You can roll your eyes at that nonsense.
But QAnon reacts to this stuff as an, oh my god, the satanic witch is asking us to cut our fingers and eat the pain.
She's trying to generate loose with which to enact her hideous agenda.
And don't forget, and I'm sure this does play a part in it, it's a woman.
And I'm not saying that it's like a sexist thing, but when you have a woman doing this kind of edgy art, you're going to go all Salem witch trials and fucking American vampire panic and shit on this stuff.
And it just, it's consistently throughout history, women that challenge the status quo, and I don't mean to sound like some kind of, you know, like kooky, crazy person, but women that challenge the status quo are often put into Crazy cat lady categories.
Or, oh, she's just nuts.
That's Alice down the street, blah, blah, blah.
There's always this element of, if you're a strong, independent woman who does edgy stuff, then you're automatically some evil witch.
And having an Eastern European name can't help either.
It would be well, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, there was a...
They've been baking her for forever.
She was some kind of UN ambassador.
And Zelensky made a comment about how he was hoping, like, maybe she could, like, help Ukraine after the war do some stuff.
And immediately, all the people, all the Pizzagate and QAnon folks were like, oh, she's going to be there to...
Help them re-up their adrenochrome supplies once the war is over.
And this is why we have to win, because Zelensky and Abramovich are buddy-buddy.
And we can't let the Ukrainian biolabs produce more louche once the war is over, because that'd be bad for everybody.
Yeah, this is where, like, so in the more current era, Jack Posobiec does not push Pizzagate.
He doesn't explicitly say Pizzagate, but he talks about Marina and Zelensky and what you were just fucking talking about.
He'll talk about spirit cooking.
He'll talk- he'll allude to everything but the explicit words Pizzagate, because Pizzagate has the bad rap, but- Hasn't changed any aspect of the, like, they're eating children, they're, you know, torturing kids, because he kind of went on this whole, like, flip where he now, but he pretends he debunked Pizzagate and QAnon, and Like, lashed out at Megyn Kelly for calling him, like, a Pizzagate promoter.
And Liz Crokin also, like, got pissed at Jack Posobiec for, like, betraying the Pizzagate narrative.
But when Posobiec was on OAN, One American News Network, he invited the hacker microchip on to basically claim that he...
to falsely claim that he was Q and that, like, to debunk QAnon on air...
And, like, Microchip, for those of you who don't know, he operated a pro-Trump disinformation network on Twitter, which boosted the Podesta emails, and it boosted conspiracies about Pizzagate.
He was repeatedly removed for basically, like, manipulating the algorithm and putting hateful content up.
Um...
He was like an altcoin pusher on Gab.
He was a premium user on Gab.
He is a Fortran troll piece of shit, praise Hitler, like neo-Nazi piece of shit.
And then he recently appeared in the Douglas Mackey trial.
He got to stay anonymous.
He got to still be microchiped.
Because he admitted to basically working with the FBI on several cases.
But yeah, so this is who Posobiec had as the guy claiming to be Q, debunking Pizzagate, debunking QAnon.
So that's where Posobiec is now.
But...
I really enjoyed that because the way you said it about Microchip, you were just like, yeah, this guy really sucks.
Praise Hitler!
And then you just kept moving on from the rest of it.
As if you were just giving a shout-out to your bro Adolf.
I just want to say I don't have...
Anything to back this up, this is just based on experience.
Seems to me like social media and just the internet in general is creating more sociopaths.
It's creating more just...
And you can become like a narcissist from environmental factors.
I'm not sure if you can become a sociopath, but...
From environmental factors and exposure, but I'm sure there's something to it.
And it just seems like, you know, 20 years ago, someone like Jack Posobiec might not have been this shitty of a person.
Well, I mean, it definitely is showing that if you pull shit like this, there's an audience for it, and you will be rewarded for doing this kind of stuff.
Yeah, crappy behavior is definitely being incentivized in the social media environment.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, we're definitely in a spot now where it's just like, are you a terrible person?
Are you willing to say terrible things for the sake of benefiting those in power?
If so, welcome to social media.
You too can become an influencer.
You too can make fat stacks by being a literal monster.
Or just talking about blowjobs.
Sorry.
It's like reality TV. You think these people are really that crazy when the cameras are off?
And that shit's not real anyway.
There's a podcast called The Nonsense Bazaar and they go behind the scenes of an episode of Naked and Afraid and they tell you how the one guy was given Adderall so he wouldn't be hungry while the other girl was given something that made her sick and all this stuff.
That stuff is all fake anyway.
So reality TV perfectly fits our American zeitgeist.
Absolutely.
So...
Go ahead, Ailey.
Okay, so Posobiec lives in D.C. So a lot of his stunts were just like, they're bound to go viral because he's where the action is happening, you know?
And he did enough of them to where eventually he did became the huge figure that he is now.
And Pizzagate was kind of the thing that propelled him.
It was just like, be a piece of shit, torture some workers, ruin some people's lives...
And, like, the Comet Ping Pong owner, James Alephantis, is that his name?
You did it!
But he was just like this loser with a live stream that anyone could have had, but the incident heroized him or something, and that pisses me off.
Why does this guy get money and fame off of my debacle?
So yeah, just one of the many people that the internet has turned into an icon that shouldn't be.
And he always wanted to be an actor, so I guess he got what he wanted.
He's not a good one, that's for fucking sure.
Nope.
And that is going to bring a wrap to this episode.
We have covered Posobiec and Seth Rich was the goal.
And next week we're going to get into James Aliphantis, as we talked about.
Then we're going to get into the guy that shot up Pizzagate.
And then we're going to get into the fact that everyone started scurrying like rats after the shooting.
And what are you talking about?
I never promoted this.
I never did the stotastic, I can never get that word right, terrorism thing.
That led to this guy doing a thing.
Stochastic.
I'm going to have to clip you saying that word and just play it as a bump every time I try to say it.
Stochastic.
There, I slowed it down.
Just call it fantastic terrorism.
The fantastic terrorism.
That's what I'm going to go for.
The stochastic four.
Yes.
All of these things.
All of these things are accurate.
But yes, so we're just going to get into Elephantus.
We're going to get into the guy that shot up his pizza joint.
Then we're going to get into all these cowards running away screaming from the fact that they totally didn't do that.
They totally didn't radicalize this guy and tell him to save children by shooting up a pizza joint.
To save the children in the sex dungeon basement of a pizza joint without a basement.
That is a weird thing that they can never figure out how that works.
But hey, never let the facts get in the way of a story.
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They don't actually care about any of that stuff.
They just hate liberals and people who are not white.
All of the above.
They're terrible.
Fuck QAnon.
Don't forget, for $60,000, Mike will shut up about QAnon, and for a million, he'll become the next Jordan Sather.
My God, to reach such halcyon heights to be Jordan Sather.
Oh, my God.
To hawk my own brand of coffee, along with Julian's Rum and Brian Cates.
Man, oh.
And beer on the parade.
And beer on the parade.
Oh, man.
Just when I thought I'd reached the mountaintop, I reach up and pull down the stars.
Oh, man.
What an incredible...
What an incredible brush of greatness all of that would be.
Beyond all of that, I would like to thank DJ Minimal Effort and myself for creating our theme song, because I accidentally turned it into what you're listening to here now.
I also want to thank Frosty for the bump at the start.
Maybe we'll make Frosty make more bumps.
Maybe we won't.
We'll all find out together.
Beyond all of that, I'm out of words to say.
So thank you, everybody, for listening.
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