Adventures in Hellworld Presents: Did Mossad Kill JFK?
This week Haley and Mike get into how QAnon is obsessed with the idea that Israel was behind the plot to assassinate JFK and RFK and how it's even dumber than thinking the CIA did it. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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You Adventures in hell world presents who shot JFK
Who shot JFK?
It was Lee Harvey Oswald.
Hello, everybody. This is your host, as always, Haley Orion, and I'm joined every week with Mike Raines for Adventures in Hellworld.
I'm definitely used to doing the opener here.
But anyway, we're going to continue on with our never-ending series on the JFK assassination because everybody's got theories.
Hi, Mike. Hello!
We were going to do the regular episode this week, but our third host wasn't available and I was like scrambling.
And I mean, this week, all the Q stuff this week is just Hurricane Weather Machine, which I don't know how many, I don't know if we can do 90 minutes of Hurricane Weather Machine, because guess what?
Last week was Hurricane Weather Machine also.
So I have been watching for the past, I don't know, year basically, Basically, after October 7th happened and then after Israel started doing all sorts of bad shit...
And conspiracy theorists and anti-Semites decided that, hey, if we just make Israel the bad guy in everything, we'll become super popular because Israel is super unpopular.
And so what has happened over the past year is the Oliver Stone standard version of the
Kennedy assassination, where the CIA whacked Kennedy so they could get their war in Vietnam,
has merged into Israel murdered Kennedy for reasons.
And so that's what this podcast is going to be about today.
And I know none of these people are going to hear it, but every old famous white guy
who's obsessed with the Kennedy assassination being a conspiracy, our boy Rob Reiner, my
boy Bill Simmons, his little buddy Mike Lombardi, J.
Michael Straczynski, the guy that did Babylon 5 and all kinds of comic books.
Unfortunately, I saw Mr.
Straczynski's kind of pilled on the Kennedy stuff.
But basically, if you're an old famous white guy and you think the CIA whacked Kennedy, I really want you to just sort of take a step back and think about how your theory has now become literally the basis of a rampant anti-Semitism.
And it's really fun that way.
And we'll eventually dive into a local media outlet in Arizona that used a murderous gang member as their source on the Kennedy assassination.
This is just going to be an ongoing series, apparently.
But I do think it's good to tackle this subject in the terms of, like, it's a way for the far right and QAnon to wedge in The anti-Semitism that they already were pushing and they're just substituting the word Jews for Israel.
And this is not to say that the genocide in Gaza isn't real anymore.
Or anything like that.
It's just a lot of neo-Nazis and white supremacists are using a very real situation to wedge in anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to politically ignorant people who are just like, hey, this guy's saying anti-Israel stuff, he's on my side.
And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
This person is a Nazi.
They are not in solidarity with you.
They also view you as subhuman.
They are using a tragedy, a world tragedy, to push a filthy agenda.
So that is, I think, an important thing to tackle, in my opinion.
So good job, Mike. Thank you.
I'm such a clever boy.
If Jake Shields or any of these other Nazis are starting to tickle your fancy because they're pretending to care about the plight of the Palestinian people in Gaza, Rest assured, they don't care.
If every Palestinian and every Israeli died, all of those people would be very happy about it because they just view the whole Israel-Palestine conflict as one group of people who are subhuman to them, and the other group of people are some sort of master race of manipulators and the secret evil that rules the world from behind the scenes, which is... And also subhuman to them.
Incredibly crafty, devious in intelligence, but also filthy scum.
Jews in the anti-Semitism conspiracy world are the ultimate example of sign aid.
They are the ultimate too weak and too strong enemy of all kinds.
It's just absolutely insanity the way they handle the whole issue of does Israel rule the world?
Y slash N? Answer?
Maybe. And the JFK assassination, I feel like, is only, like, you know, claiming that Jewish people killed JFK, Mossad killed JFK, whatever, is only one of the many anti-Semitic conspiracies that are being regularly pushed by these folks.
Like, you know, I'll see someone, like, in the Nick Fuentes sphere push the Jews killed JFK while simultaneously also pushing N9-11.
And this and that.
Everything, you know, Pearl Harbor.
The Civil War.
We'll get into that in the next episode with Mark Finch and blaming Jewish people for the Civil War.
But yeah, it's just like, right now, I mean, in general, you know, there's always been like anti-Semitism, but some people are using the moment that we're in to kind of like try to wedge in these ideas and And I do see the dancing Israelis thing really regularly now.
Which is, for those of you who don't know, basically the claim that after 9-11 there was dancing Jewish people celebrating the towers falling.
They call it the dancing Israelis.
This is a similar claim that happened after 9-11 with, like, Muslims.
They were claiming, like, Muslims were dancing in the street.
You can just see who is being hated at the most at the moment in time in history and just kind of, like, input the conspiracy with those people.
But yeah, anti-Semitism is long-rooted in society, so it constantly pops back up.
Sorry, Mike. Oh, no problem.
No, I was going to add in Keg Drogo, one of my favorite QAnon promoters, because...
When someone leaked, I think I've said this before, but I don't care.
I'm going to say it again because it's funny.
When someone leaked a private chat those guys had, when Keg Drogo got brought into the room to hang out with Awakened Outlaw and Jordan Sather and all the other guys, he was like, oh man, I'm hanging out with all my heroes.
Oh, this is such an honor.
And it's like, oh God, Keg, raise your standards a little.
Just a touch, please.
Yeah. If someone jumped into a chat room with me and was like, oh man, Mike Rehan's my hero, I'd be like, oh man, this is really bad.
Things have taken a terrible turn.
But Keg Drogo's Twitter bio is, Israel did October 7th, 9-11, and JFK. American flag emoji.
So it's just that.
It's just the Jews have done everything.
And the Jews attacked themselves on October 7th.
That's basically what he's saying.
The Jews attacked themselves on October 7th.
Then they attacked America twice with 9-11 and murdering Kennedy.
So that's just the way that the Jews are just throwing punches at everybody.
They're crazy that way. So, Mike, let's get into it.
Why do these people claim, in general, that Israel killed JFK? What's the crux of the argument here?
Basically, once Israel was founded and established as a nation that was recognized by other nations,
there was a belief in the Israeli leadership that we need nukes in order to make sure that
nobody fucks with us.
There's claims that Israel's Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, was nearly obsessed with
And I know this because it's the first line about him in Wikipedia or in this story.
So who can doubt Wikipedia?
That's my point of your personality if it's in the opening of your Wikipedia.
Right, exactly. So Israel was looking to get nukes, obviously because they were in a very precarious position, and if they had nukes, they would be in a less precarious position.
So they're trying to build a nuclear reactor to get nuclear material to make bombs with, and This leads to them creating a nuclear plant in a city called DeNova, which I'm probably just butchering that name, even though I looked it up and tried to spell it right.
I say it right, but I can't.
So, DeMona is the site of this nuclear research center.
Once they start working on this, JFK, who is now kind of fresh out of the Cuban Missile Crisis and the very real threat that he was about to be the American president that ended the world by nuking Russia and then getting retaliatory counter-strikes, Kennedy is really against more nations getting nukes.
So Kennedy and the Israeli leadership are really butting heads over this nuclear site because Kennedy rightly assumes they're trying to get nukes.
And Israel does not want Kennedy to interfere with their ability to get nukes.
So the two sides are having these very confrontational meetings.
I believe at one point, the Prime Minister...
People actually resign over this, and new leadership goes to Kennedy, and we're like, no, we're totally cool.
We're not going to absolutely do the whole nuclear thing, because we're chill and all that stuff.
And Kennedy just isn't having any of their bullshit, because...
He is laser focused on preventing nuclear proliferation and he thinks Israel getting a nuclear weapon is a really bad thing.
So they're going around the barn and doing all this kind of stuff.
And then lo and behold, Kennedy dies in Dallas.
And after his assassination, Lyndon Johnson gets into office and he is given the whole
thing about who, uh, about Israel, about Kennedy's plans with the Dimona nuclear
reactor and all this kind of stuff.
But Johnson's more concerned about his civil rights initiative.
He gets dragged into Vietnam.
He's dealing with a lot of other things.
He's running for re-election as a vice president, just thrust into the presidency roughly slightly less than a year before an election.
So the dude's got a lot of plates that are spinning, and he doesn't have this hyper-vigilant mentality towards the DeMinova nuclear plant the way JFK did.
And so the Israelis basically kind of get away with it.
They manage to get their nuclear plant.
The American president stops fucking bitching about it and throwing a fit at them over it.
And they get their alleged nuclear weapons down the line, even though Israel's never officially stated they've got nukes.
We all know they've got nukes. So...
Because of that foreign policy difference between Johnson and Kennedy, where Kennedy was like, fuck Israel.
I want that fucking nuclear plant inspected all day, every day.
I want to make sure they're not fucking hiding any nuclear material anywhere.
And Lyndon Johnson saying, what do I care about the Israeli power plant?
I gotta crush Goldwater in this election, or else he's gonna throw nukes into fucking Vietnam.
So... Because Johnson takes his eye off the ball when it comes to Israel's nuclear research plans, the conspiracy theorists are all like, well, Kennedy was working really hard against these nukes and then Johnson wasn't, so it had to be a conspiracy.
It had to be a plot. Instead of Kennedy's assassination just being a lucky break for the Israelis when it came to their nuclear plans because now they weren't going to have to deal with Kennedy's bullshit because he was the one who cared about it.
And This is how these kinds of conspiracy theories work, is it can't just be happenstance.
It can't just be something happens and that changes history in a way, and we go down a different path.
No. The Damona nuclear power plant had to have been the breaking point, and the Israelis had to be like, you know what?
Fuck Kennedy. We're going to drop him and thus get our nukes.
Which is, Israel had existed legally as a country for less than 20 years at that point, so it would be really fucking bold for them to murder the American president and think they could get away with it.
So... Go ahead, Ellie.
Yeah, is this like an elaborate plot on their end?
Like, is Lee Harvey Oswald still involved in the plot?
Is he Jewish? Did they pay him?
Do they believe in Lee Harvey Oswald at all?
What's the greater conspiracy as far as Israel being involved?
Yeah. A lot of this has been going on for a long time.
I remember now that there was this thread by a moron.
His name is Uncommon Sense.
And boy, howdy, does he have Uncommon Sense.
And it was a 25 tweet thread.
And the guy's got a blue checkmark.
So if he just wanted to publish a novel, he could have just published a novel.
But he was like, no, I'm going to go old school and do a thread, even though I got a blue check and just write whatever I fucking want.
And This guy basically blames...
Jack Ruby is his main Jewish villain in this story because Jack Ruby was a Jew.
And the thing was, is that when he first did it, Jack Ruby was sort of like, man, now America's going to see that a Jew had some gum shit and did what needed to be done and killed the prick that killed the president.
And then as he was rotting in prison...
And kind of realizing that the tide had turned on the whole, like, killing Oswald when I did was a good thing.
Ruby was now sort of like, man, this is kind of not cool.
I hope people don't blame Jewish people for what I did, because I was not doing this on behalf of, like, the Jews to silence Oswald.
So yeah, that happened, which was not great, but again, yeah, Jewish guy did shoot Oswald.
Again, does not prove he was Mossad funded.
Yeah, that's what a lot of these like anti-Semitic fucks do often.
They're just like, oh, he's Jewish, and you're supposed to make assumptions from there, kind of, which is, yeah.
Yeah. Oh, and the other thing I remember in this thread was that Zapruder is a Jew, and they were like, oh yeah, Zapruder was there to film the murder, to show the world the power of Israel slaying the president.
It's like, no, shut up, calm down.
Oh, it's like a Jewish snuff film?
Yeah, Jewish snuff film. The Jews invented both pornography and snuff films.
The Jews just learned the media of film before everybody else did and found out that humanity likes titties and gore on their films.
Like when...
Well, I mean, you can see it in the Zapruder film, the way the camera like lingers on Jackie's ass when she's crawling out of the back of the limo because Zapruder wanted to both horrify and titillate us with the Zapruder film.
So that's a joke that didn't happen.
No, no, you're triggering.
So I'm going to go on a tangent briefly.
The floor is yours.
Every episode, I have to just remind everybody what an absolute nightmare chaos is.
Shithole Twitter slash exes under Elon.
And I've noticed lately there's this gore porn account.
It just shows a decapitated head and stuff.
And in it are obviously the OnlyFans people.
But it appears that the gore porn account is cutting a deal with the OnlyFans accounts and boosting their engagement.
He's regularly replying to a few accounts, boosting their engagement constantly.
And it seems to be a pretty noticeable...
Deal between these OnlyFans women and this gore porn account.
And it is just what you said.
People seem to have a thing about just gore and porn.
And currently on Twitter, they're just kind of merging the two and like, it's hurting my head.
Yeah. I'm not just imagining a porn, and this guy's just like, oh, I'm gonna come!
And then when he goes for the money, he starts, like, blood starts, like, spraying everywhere out of his dick.
He's like, oh, God!
And the girl's just rubbing the blood on her face and her tits, and it's just like, oh, God, this is the perfect Twitter merger of gore and sex.
Also, in general, like, now that Twitter does the auto video, it's like, you know, you don't know what you're hitting now.
It's like, someone could be watching Booty on there and then all of a sudden you're just watching the worst thing you've ever seen in your life.
Yeah, you're watching some twerking video, and the next thing you know, you just see a drone drop a bomb on someone and just blow them to pieces, just guts everywhere.
It's like, what? Yeah, and I saw a thing from Elon where he was like, oh, video engagement up 1 million percent.
It's like, yeah, because of your fucking auto video bullshit.
It's not organic.
You just literally made this thing where if you...
If you don't click through and get someone's tweet, if they're just on your timeline, then the videos just start randomizing and it's super dumb.
But yeah. Sorry, everybody.
It's just Mike triggered something that's been lingering in my head for the last few days.
No, this is what we're here for.
I don't think people want to just listen to me drone on about Kennedy for three hours, which, spoiler alert, is how long this pod will go.
No, I'm kidding. Okay, so obviously there's that reason that they wanted to kill JFK in Conspiracy World.
Are there other reasons that they were going after JFK? So the other thing that is said, and this is the dumbest, silliest conspiracy theory I could possibly imagine.
It's as dumb as the accidental Secret Service killing and the limo driver did it conspiracy theories, which are beyond harebrained stupid.
But there's also the theory that Kennedy was going to try to make APAC register under Farah.
And Farah was resistant to doing this, and this led to Mossad murdering Kennedy, because why would they care that much?
If Kennedy was really adamant about them registering under FARA, they just would have registered under FARA. It really wouldn't have mattered.
I actually went to AIPAC's website and their argument against FARA registration is that they're American citizens who are not in contact with the Israeli government.
They're not working with Israel in any way, shape, or form.
They're just aggressively pro-Israel Americans.
So go to hell about registering us for FARA. And I mean, Farah is political nerd shit.
It's like stuff you only hear about from cranks and lunatics and when idiots actually get indicted for violations of Farah.
That's the only time you hear about this.
So the idea that the country of Israel, which again, barely, not even 20 years old yet, was told, hey, your political action committee needs to register under Farah.
Their reaction was, That's it!
We're murdering Kennedy!
I don't know that Israel could have existed for very long if their reaction to every modest slight, every slight imposition put upon them was to slay the head of state of that nation.
I think the world would have got pretty sick of Israel pretty fast.
This is the 10th head of state you've killed this year, Israel.
And Israel's like, well, quit fucking with us.
It's like, no, we're going to fuck with you seriously, with our militaries.
We're going to crush you now.
And you don't have nukes yet, so you lose.
And Israel's like, no, our assassination scheme didn't work.
It is just like a goofy, villainous view of Israel as a state at that time, because it's like, instead of losing an ally by blowing the head off of their president, apparently we just got merged closer and closer with Israel and continue to work with them closely as an ally.
They killed our president, but we're so fearful of them that we must keep working with them.
Right. And this is the thing.
This is the thing that makes this so ridiculous to me is, and I'm stepping on our show notes, I'm stepping on our third question here, but it's just kind of like the thing that has to be addressed at this point is exactly how did Israel pull this off?
Because again, they're a fledgling nation.
Like the nation of Israel as we know it now and the nation of Israel in 1963 are two different things by quite a bit.
And the idea that Israel had the sophistication and the ability to pull off the murder of a foreign head of state in 1963 is asinine because they were struggling to not get invaded by Arabs all around them because that's a touchy subject, the fact that their nation even exists, as we have learned over the past 60-odd years.
And So this leads down to two roads, which is one, America let a tiny foreign nation murder its head of state and didn't catch them, which you would think we would have.
You would think that it would have been very tough for Israel to have pulled off the Oliver Stone-styled JFK assassination, where you've got all these hitters and all these different buildings.
The police are in on it.
The Secret Service are somehow in on it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Once you bring that to people's attention that, yo, this really couldn't have happened,
Israel was tiny and weak and pathetic and not this nation capable of murdering the
sovereign leader of superpower, you then get to the other side of the equation or the attempt
to explain it, which is racism and anti-Semitism, alert, zog.
So you then get into the fact that, oh, America was just run by the Jews the whole time. And
that begs the question, how did Kennedy become president if we were a zog at the
time? If the Zionists were running everything and trying to get nukes into Israel and all this
good stuff, how did they ever let a wild card like Kennedy win the
presidency?
What's going on there?
The other thing about this whole thing is, again, we look at Kennedy's presidency and his election through the prism of John F. Kennedy, martyred saint, greatest man who ever lived, incredibly smart, had a very funny accent, adorable guy, hot wife.
And the fact that in 1960, he was running against Richard Nixon, scumbag piece of shit criminal who resigned in disgrace for criming too hard in the White House.
But in 1960, Nixon was the young, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed vice president of the very successful president, Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Kennedy was a wet behind the ears.
Nobody who was a filthy Catholic.
And their election was...
The popular vote of that election was very close.
Nixon almost won the popular vote.
Kennedy won the popular vote by like 0.5%.
He won an electoral college landslide because Kennedy ran basically one of the first actual electoral vote targeting elections in American history and didn't really care about the popular vote because Kennedy figured out how to actually win elections.
Good on you, Jack.
Yeah. But it wasn't like America in 1960 was like, fuck Nixon, we love Kennedy.
No, it was a nail-biter.
And then Kennedy became president, and people liked him, and then he got shot.
And then we were like, oh shit, that guy was awesome.
Sucks he got killed. And his popularity soared after his murder.
So... Because of all that, we lionize all the decisions he made, and we try to find out why the bad people got rid of him.
And so Kennedy being hypervigilant about Israel's nukes now isn't just like him being anti-nuclear perflation, all this kind of stuff.
It triggered a backlash that led to his death, which no, it didn't.
That's not going to happen.
And I realized I had lost my train of thought there, but I've recovered my
train, I have put my train back on the tracks because the election between
Nixon and Kennedy was so close.
If we were run by the bad people, they could have smeared Kennedy
a lot harder than they did.
They could have gone on the Catholicism.
They could have gone on the fact that Kennedy was a very sickly, dying man who merely presented being healthy to the American public.
The dude had Addison's disease.
He had a terrible back that was all fucked up.
When he would get off Air Force One, if there were no press around, he would take each step with both feet.
Imagine walking down a flight of steps and you go one step, two steps.
No, he goes one step, one step, one step, one step, one step.
Because his back was so fucked.
Walking down a flight of stairs normally was something that was extremely painful to him.
And so his poor physical health, his rampant adultery, his Catholicism...
All these different things could have been his incredible inexperience compared to the guy that was vice president for eight years.
There were lots of ways that Kennedy could have been slimed in that election that he was not if the Jews ran our media and didn't want him to be in power.
So, again, this is one of the things that is always so dumb about all these conspiracy theories about the Illuminati run America, but they accidentally let Kennedy, Reagan, and Trump win.
It's like, Some of them suck at running America, is what you're saying?
They just keep accidentally letting in presidents they don't want?
Like, how does that work? Either they run the place or they don't.
Like, make up your mind.
So, once you get into the whole Zog storyline, that makes it so much easier.
Because now, you just say the CIA killed Kennedy, but they did it at the behest of Israel.
Which... If they control everything, why do they need to kill Kennedy?
That's the question. That's the question that needs to be answered there, which they can never do because it doesn't make any sense.
Well, all right.
That's a lot of information.
Well, feel free to ask me any questions or comment on any of the nonsense I just said.
I'm just... What are some of the more outlandish kind of like conspiracies around the Jews killing JFK? Hei, du, jeg skal bare si frem at det begynner å bli litt møkete på herredoen.
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Ice! Well, I mean, those are the main ones, and it's mostly just the idea that They were consolidating their power.
And that's one of the things about this, is that when you get into the whole Zog nonsense, this was basically Israel cucking America.
Like, they murdered Kennedy.
And we're like, what you gonna do about it?
Nothing! Because we run the world, that's what.
And how you establish Israel as the big bad that's that powerful at that time is, of course, ludicrous.
And so once you have that kind of situation going on...
Now you've created a villain that doesn't have an opponent.
You've created the Illuminati, and why does the Illuminati have to do anything and run everything?
Kennedy's term-limited. They can just let Kennedy have his eight years, and then they'll just push him out, and they'll put somebody else in who will do what they want.
I mean, it's very strange that...
I said it before, but I love Sinead.
It's my favorite thing in the world.
For those who don't know the inside baseball of my warped brain...
There's this...
Umberto Eco was a person who studied fascism and did basically a great essay about the 14 signs of fascism.
And the eighth sign of fascism is that the enemy is at all times both too weak and too strong.
So the enemy is both incapable of defeating you, but also overpowering and incapable of losing.
And... You dial up or lower the power meter of the bad guy as you need to in order to make the story make sense.
And that's where we're at when you talk about the Illuminati killing Kennedy via the Mossad, where Israel rules the world and everyone does what they say, but Kennedy said nobody puts baby in the corner and then the Illuminati were like, no, we will, and then they murdered him.
These conspiracies pop up with the recent Trump assassination attempts.
I have not...
I mean, I haven't seen people go whole hog on the Mossad thing.
Right now, it's more of a Illuminati deep state.
It's more of the American-based plot because it's more...
This has more traction as an anti-Biden-Harris narrative for the election.
After the election, I think the Jews when after Trump will be like 100% what they go for.
But when you're running an election, when you're running a campaign like this, you want to attack your enemy and accuse them of being behind all the crimes.
So that's where they're going with this.
And I saw a bunch of QAnon people getting very upset because Trump was hanging out with a bunch of Jews on October 7th and Trump wore a yarmulke.
And all that good stuff.
And all the raging anti-Semites.
Stu Peters, like, freaked out about it.
And then a bunch of the other anti-Semites were like, no, Stu, no, Trump is still the choice for anti-Semites.
You can still vote Trump.
And I saw my boy, Cag Drogo, and IET, Craig, the QAnon-pilled chiropractor, They both posted a photo of Bobby Kennedy wearing a yarmulke and hanging out with Jews, and basically the whole point of that was that, yeah, Bobby Kennedy did the same thing that Trump did, and the Jews still killed him.
I don't exactly know where the...
Well, it was from RFK Jr.
It was from his son. RFK Jr.
got the ball rolling on RFK Sr.'s assassination being a conspiracy.
And we had all these hot takes about RFK being murdered by the deep state, which, again, because it's more of a fringe thing, people were more willing to pivot that directly to Israel and Mossad.
And... The RFK assassination is a very dumb conspiracy theory because he was shot at point blank by an assassin who was literally subdued immediately.
And had the gun in his hand.
Rosie Greer, a former football player who was one of RFK's unofficial bodyguards during the campaign.
Rosie Greer was interviewed about it and he's like, I tackled the guy.
I grabbed him. He had the gun in his hand.
He was still pulling the trigger while I had his arm down.
So if you're telling me I grabbed the wrong guy, I don't know how you could be telling me that.
Because I literally subdued his assassins.
Personally, physically, I bodied the guy.
And And the thing about the RFK assassination is that RFK, so he gives a speech.
Yay, we won the primary in California.
We're going to go to the convention and try to win the convention and the nomination.
And the crowd's like, yay!
And Bobby is supposed to leave the dais there, go through the bowels of the hotel, and emerge somewhere else to do a press conference.
And so he...
And from what the stories are, RFK thought he was going to go one way, and then they were like, oh no, no, we've changed plans, we're now going this way.
Not that it mattered, because RFK had dogshit security, which is one of the more incredibly frustrating things, because a lot of people were really worried that RFK was going to get shot, because it happened to his brother.
And RFK's response to that was, eh, fuck it.
If they try to get me, they'll try to get me.
Instead of, fuck them, I'm securitizing myself to the teeth.
I'm bringing in a lot of security to protect myself.
And RFK would campaign in open-topped limos wherever he went because he wanted to show that he wasn't scared.
And in the California primary, the Ambassador Hotel was in Los Angeles.
RFK did not want the LAPD around him, because even in the 1960s, the LAPD was known for being monstrously racist, and RFK's political coalition was...
One of the strongest minority coalitions we had back then.
He was one of the first people to try to actively court the non-white vote.
And so basically he had a retired cop and Rosie Greer and another guy.
We're like his three bodyguards who were not really...
None of them were armed.
They were just dudes trying to look out for their bro.
That was really his security staff.
And so RFK is going through the bowels of this hotel And he's seeing all kinds of hotel staff.
And he's just shaking hands with them.
Because again, this is the appeal of his campaign.
He's a president for all people.
He's shaking hands of porters and waitstaff and waitresses and cooks.
And so he's just going around, hey, how you doing?
Hey, how you doing? Vote for me, blah, blah, blah.
And he's just like working the line and his retinue of followers are all behind him.
His bodyguards are behind him.
His staff are behind him.
Everyone's around him.
It's very crowded.
It's a very large number of people going down these very narrow hallways.
And then finally he gets into a pantry and there are people that he's shaking hands with.
He shakes hands with a busboy, and that busboy ends up having his life ruined because there's a photo of the busboy kneeling over Kennedy after he's been shot.
And people thought the busboy was the assassin.
So he got a lot of shit for that and was fucked up by it.
But he's walking by this ice machine, and that's where Sirhan Sirhan pops out from behind the ice machine and starts blasting, and he's firing bullets.
And Sirhan fires eight shots from his gun.
He empties the clip in his gun.
And... But RFK Jr.
and conspiracy theorists were like, well, there was a second gunman.
And the question for me is, what second gunman on Earth would agree to stand near RFK when the first gunman is just firing indiscriminately at point-blank range at you, at RFK? I would take that assignment and be like, boss, I'm not doing this.
I'm not going to let someone fire eight shots like two or three feet away from me and then I have to sneak in and deliver the secret gunshot.
Can't you just have the first shooter kill him and this would make this all a lot easier?
It's like, no, this is how we work.
We're the CIA. We use multiple shooters.
Why? Again, Bobby has dogshit security.
This is why Serhan was able to shoot him.
He just literally got close enough to Bobby that he pulled a gun on him and hit him with it.
And so you have this idea that someone was in that crowd of people behind Bobby Kennedy that the Kennedy group didn't know in some way, shape, or form. Like, some CIA assassin guy snuck in to their retinue and then was able to fire a shot that Serhan didn't fire and then snuck away and nobody noticed it.
It's... Who was this ghost?
Who was this person that was able to pull off this crime with no one seeing them?
It's very...
Have you considered that it was...
Mossad space laser bullets.
I mean, that makes a lot of sense.
Mossad space laser bullets is the really only logical way to make this work.
After RFK was shot, Lyndon Johnson then signed an executive order expanding Presidential protection.
This is expanding the Secret Service's role from merely protecting the president to also protecting presidential candidates that needed that.
And this is what led to the whole RFK Jr.
1488 quote and all that good stuff.
So, what did happen is there was a rent-a-cop who was in the pantry.
And his name was Thane Eugene Caesar.
And he was a dude in the room and he had a gun.
But there's no evidence that he actually pulled the gun and murdered RFK. And if he did, it's not really like this guy has...
People have investigated him.
People have investigated the man.
And it's not like there's these massive ties to the CIA and intelligence agencies that can be confirmed or anything.
Basically... Basically, it's like, yeah, this guy did it, but he's also a bum.
Why would the CIA protect a renter cop that was doing security work for the Ambassador Hotel?
And so he did claim that he drew his gun, but during the whole kerfuffle, he was knocked to the ground and was never
able to actually do anything.
anything.
And there are some arguments, there are some claims that he owned a 22, which was the caliber
of the bullet that Sirhan used to kill Kennedy.
But again, we know about this guy, we've dug into him, and there's no ties, there's nothing
that ties him to the FBI, the CIA, the Mossad, or any of that nonsense.
So if he did do it, like, like, we would have had to have found how they put him up to it.
that's very silly.
And the other thing about all this is that we know why Serhan did it.
Serhan hated RFK for being a supporter of Israel.
And Serhan was a Palestinian.
And he was mad that America sent jets to Israel.
He was mad that RFK stated that if Israel was attacked, America will support her.
And that was it.
And it's really, really wild, again, that we now have people saying, oh, Mossad killed RFK when it was literally an anti-Israel guy did it.
And I understand that, again, modern politics, things are a lot different.
Things are a lot shittier. And Israel's a lot worse in the public eye.
But... 1968, this is what happened.
And yeah, it sucks.
But Serhan did it.
He was the only one who did it because no other conspiracy would make sense.
Calm down, you big silly people.
Especially you, RFK Jr.
Shut up about how your dad died.
You attention-seeking conspiracy nut.
Yeah. Yeah.
I just like that white supremacists can't take credit for their history.
I said this before the show, Lee Harvey Oswald is a distant cousin of...
Robert E. Lee.
It's white history.
It's white on white crime.
You guys should own it. Stop blaming the Jews.
It's kind of sad, honestly.
That's my two cents on this whole thing.
Yeah. So now I had also asked some people to send in some questions about the Kennedy assassination.
And the first one was from Kul Sheev who said, what is the known possible evidence for it being a mob hit?
And the whole mob thing is mostly about them being mad about Cuba.
And they're mad about the idea.
They're basically mad that JFK didn't push harder during the Bay of Pigs to get Castro removed from power to reestablish a pro-America government in Cuba.
And as a result of that action, the mob was now very much eager to murder Kennedy.
The other reason why the mob wanted to kill Kennedy, according to these theories, is that they believed that they had won the election for JFK by tilting the state of Illinois through Chicago and And this is, as I mentioned previously, JFK won an electoral landslide, so he didn't need Illinois to win the presidency.
But in this theory, the mob thinks that they won the election for Kennedy.
Kennedy betrays them by putting RFK into power as his attorney general.
RFK aggressively prosecutes the mob and the mob sees this as a betrayal.
So on top of getting their casinos and their drug running and their prostitution back in Cuba, they also get to get rid of this guy that's going after them in America.
So that's why they killed Kennedy.
They're also just seen as the hired guns of the CIA who are willing to do it.
Because the CIA had to be the ones who had the power to pull it off.
But the mob were like, hey, we'll send you some of our best hitters to take care of Kennedy because we do that work.
Does Sammy the Bull ever cop to being on the plot at all in the AZ Central podcast that you listen to?
No, Sammy's just sort of like, yeah, it was a mob hit.
They totally whacked him. I'm a mobster.
I know the mob, and yeah, mob hit.
So he basically just does a giant argument from authority, and we're supposed to take Sammy's word for it, because I've whacked a few people in my day, and they whacked me.
Yeah, like, okay, so for real, for the listeners who don't know, we will eventually do a deep dive on this, but for some fucking goddamn reason, the Local media treats Sammy the Bull Gravano, who is a notorious, murderous mobster, former mobster, to As some type of fucking celebrity here, he's, like, he gets, like, shouted out, you know, like, the media sees him at a Trump event, and they'll be like,
hey, Sammy the Bull, let's ask why you hate immigrants!
And, like, he's just, I don't know, he's a little bit of a celebrity on YouTube also.
He's done, like, the Patrick Bitt David podcast, and, you know, that kind of sphere.
He has his own podcast, and, Yeah, so he's a little bit of a celebrity.
So for some reason, people think he's an authority on the subject.
And an actual reputable local media outlet here, so-called reputable, actually used him as a source on their JFK podcast.
Their ultimate theory is that the mob did it, right?
That podcast. Yeah.
Their ultimate theory was basically just that the magic bullet was a lie.
And then they brought in Sammy, and Sammy was like, oh yeah, the mob whacked him.
Like, they didn't have a real, like, hard...
So basically...
What happened was, I guess it was Arizona News or whoever it was, but someone basically went to this company and they said, do a 3D simulation of the Kennedy assassination and try to make the magic bullet work.
And then that company came back and said, no, the magic bullet does not work.
We cannot make it work.
Arizona News was all, so who did it?
They were like, well, that's not our Ballywick.
We really don't know that kind of stuff.
All we can tell you is that the magic bullet is a lie.
And this is wild because I've seen so many people do the exact opposite, where they do a computer simulation
and they're like, oh, look, the magic bullet works.
God, it works. It makes so much sense.
There's nothing that makes more sense than the magic bullet.
Look at that. It's a straight line.
It cuts through Kennedy and Connolly like a knife through butter.
I mean, holy smokes.
You have to be an idiot to think this doesn't work.
But that doesn't drive clicks.
Like, writing an article that says Oswald Dunn did it doesn't get you any attention in the media.
So, yeah.
The other question we got, real quick, is...
From tiredfellabot1234567, a lot of emojis, heart emojis, American flag emojis, Ukraine emoji, and it looks like the British flag, I think.
I hope I got that right. I stumbled upon a big gun YouTuber who was asserting, in an aside, that George H.W. Bush was in charge of JFK's security detail that day.
It appears he worked for the CIA earlier than originally admitted, but less dramatically.
Getting a briefing, thoughts?
No. No one credible has ever said that Pappy Bush was in charge of JFK's security detail in Dallas.
At the time that the assassination was happening, Pappy Bush was running for office in Texas.
He was campaigning somewhere else in the state.
And basically, he got word that Kennedy had been shot and he decided not to give his speech because it felt inappropriate to be like, hey, Democrats suck, vote for me, right when the Democratic president just got killed.
And this has led to what has happened with George H.W. Bush in the conspiracy theories is that When you're an old person who was around during Kennedy's assassination, people often ask you, yo, where were you when Kennedy got shot?
And most people give a very clear, succinct answer because they remember it very well.
But George H.W. Bush has given a couple of answers.
He's been kind of weird on the issue about where he was when Kennedy got shot.
And this led people to believe that he had something to hide, because how could he not know?
But some people did an investigative report.
They did a deep dig, and they found...
They found stuff that Barbara Bush had written, and Barbara talked about that day in a diary or some other things she kept notes in, and it was through her recollections that they were able to actually pinpoint that George H.W. Bush was somewhere else in Texas getting ready to give a speech, a campaign speech, and then oops-a-doopsies, no campaign speech, president dead.
So... But yeah, some people claim there's a photo of George H.W. Bush in Dealey Plaza, which is, again, didn't happen.
It's not true. And why would he have been there?
It would kind of be really obvious that he was in on the plot to kill JFK if, hey, local politician George H.W. Bush just happened to show up where the president died.
Ain't that weird? It's not like he had to direct the shooters.
He's in the car! Shoot him!
That guy! Him!
The guy next to the chick in the pink!
Do it! Hit him! Shoot him!
Any more questions? No, those were the only two questions we had.
So any final comments from you?
Hit me. Hit us with those final thoughts from Haley.
I just continue to believe...
Like Manny, that his head just did that.
So one day we'll get to the bottom of it.
Just a very tragic health condition.
Random head explosion condition.
So finally, we had a shout-out from a listener named Ross.
He wanted his other half, Jen Grant, to get a birthday shout-out from the podcast because I'm benevolent and merciful.
Yes, so I shouted out Jen.
I was also tasked with following her on Twitter, so I did that.
So happy birthday. I hope this finds you well and all that good stuff.
Thanks to Eric, the Deep State Operative, for the JFK intro.
Thanks to me for the remixed intro and all that good stuff.
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