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May 15, 2024 - Adventures in HellwQrld
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HellwQrld Presents: Building 7 Truth

While Steph is off visiting the 9/11 memorial she was nice enough to record with Mike as they go over what happened to building 7 at the World Trade Center and how it's not what conspiracy theorists claim it is. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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중복부상에 대한 약관에 동의 합니다.
안녕하세요, 여러분!
I'm Mike Ranz, AKA.
Poker & Politics, and welcome to an episode about Building 7, which is one of the big nonsense conspiracy theories around 9-11.
I am here with Steph, who is our resident 9-11 expert.
So, hello Steph!
Hello.
I love 9-11.
Well, I don't love it, but you know what I mean.
That's the clip.
We're saving this.
9-11 truthers.
Psychopath.
Anti-American enjoyed the killing of thousands of Americans.
Just all of that.
Absolutely.
And I was the 20th hijacker.
The 21st hijacker.
We got the 20th.
Yeah.
So what I wanted to start with this is that Building 7 is, to me, in a lot of ways, like the magic bullet is to the Kennedy assassination, where you, the doe-eyed knave, start your Kennedy conspiracy life by watching his head explode and then back into the left and all that kind of stuff.
And then as you go from Layer 1 to Layer 2, Layer two is the magic bullet.
And you get to hear about how, oh, the bullet like dipped and dived and it went up and down and it did a loop de loop.
And I mean, we literally even have mainstream movies like X-Men talking about Magneto curving the bullet and that kind of stuff.
Like this is just a big part of our zeitgeist that this bullet couldn't do what it did.
And it proves conspiracy.
In a lot of ways, Building 7 is that for the 9-11 truthers, because you start with planes hitting the buildings, the buildings collapsing, and then you hear about this mysterious third building that collapsed.
And what's the story with that?
Why'd that happen?
And on top of you hearing about this mysterious third building that collapsed, you then get to hear conspiracy theorists say the following things.
That no planes hit Building 7.
That Building 7 was the only steel building ever to collapse due to fire damage.
And that this had never happened before in the history of the world.
So this is like ridiculous nonsense that Fyre could do this, because up until this moment, it was thought to be an impossibility that Fyre could do this.
And you get to hear those terms, and it makes you think, this sounds weird.
And I saw a thread by a QAnon promoter, and the thread was, quote,
no words, just post the picture that pilled you.
Like, what was the thing that pilled you?
And a lot of people in that thread posted either the layout of the World Trade Center
with the Building 7 highlighted, or gifs of Building 7 collapsing.
And they were just like, building 70, can't explain it.
Makes no sense.
They had to demolish it.
It had to be a demolition.
In my ancient days, when I was reading BartKopp.com, good old Bart.
If you know him, that's the ancient times, the before times.
That was George W. Bush's president times.
Well, Bart was a 9-11 truther, basically, and so were all of his readers, which included me.
And Bart had a question for people, something like, what would be your way to tell people about 9-11?
How would you get people into the 9-11 truther movement?
And this one person replied back to him, and they just said, Building 7, like, a hundred times.
You had to just scroll down, like, basically three paragraphs of Building 7, Building 7, Building 7, Building 7, Building 7.
And it was just that.
Building 7 is a self-evident conspiracy theory in the eyes of the conspiracy theorists.
So, explain to us why Building 7 is not a giant conspiracy theory.
Because I'm totally pilled already just talking to myself like this.
I'm a 9-11 truther again!
Well, basically...
Sorry, what we have is, and the thing that they never talk about, and the thing, and this is purposely left out of every 9-11 conspiracy theorist-like narrative, is they have this idea that, and we do see the collapse of the North and South Towers.
South Tower was hit second, but it fell first because the plane hit it much lower, so there was more pressure on top.
Well, they like to tell you, when I say they, I mean the conspiracy theorists, they will tell you how these buildings fell, blah, blah, blah, right into their own footprint.
No, they didn't.
There's a reason it was called The Pile.
Before, Ground Zero was the general area of the disaster aftermath, and they called it The Pile.
All of this debris, contrary to what Dr. Judy Wood says, it didn't just dustify.
It went all over the place.
They found part of one of the planes 11 years later wedged in between two buildings.
You had this massive, you know, explosion, but not from a controlled demolition.
An explosion is a good way to describe it because shit went Everywhere!
And, you know, I call it, um, when the North Tower collapsed, I call it Tina Turner hair.
Because when you see that plume, it reminded me of the hairdo that she had in, you know, Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
There was, and all of that stuff had to go somewhere.
And guess what?
A lot of it went on to Building 7.
And it caused structural damage and it caused fires.
And when conspiracy theorists show you Building 7 collapsing, it does look pretty damn much like a demolition, but they never show you the shots of the building's damage.
They never, you know, so they're hiding that from you.
They don't want you to know that.
But it was heavily damaged.
I was going to say, they always show, when Building 7 collapses, they always show you
the side that looks smooth, that looks totally intact, that nothing hit that side.
And you just see that side just, you see the building just go.
And it looks like a completely intact building that is just falling.
And it just, that would appear to a person who doesn't know what they're looking at to
be incredibly suspicious.
But I'm looking at what appears to be an intact, normal building, no problems, no muss, no
fuss, and just, it just free falls, like just literally like at speed of gravity, just like
no resistance, it just collapses.
And They're not showing you the other side of the building.
That's where the fires were raging, where the debris from the World Trade Center hit it, and all that stuff.
You're never going to see that side, because I don't want to show you that side, because that impacts their narrative.
Yeah, and you know, that is, that's the thing that they, like you said, they all like to use Building 7 because it's the lowest hanging fruit.
And it just, even people who accept like the official story of the other two towers and the four planes and all that, you'll even hear some of them Like, offer up skepticism about Building 7.
And it's understandable.
Like, it is very understandable.
But when you come across something like this, you have to kind of put away your preconceived notion.
And you don't dig for the truth by digging for your cognitive bias.
You can watch the NIST simulations.
These people know more about physics and engineering and architecture than we do.
But now one of the other big things about this is that they talk about the fact that
Building 7 was quote unquote the first building ever to collapse due to fire,
a steel building collapse due to fire. And And.
They say this just to make it sound suspicious.
They make it sound like, oh my god, this is so devious that this is what happened.
They don't report to you that the building was on fire for hours and that the New York Fire Department did not attempt to fight the fire because they had already lost so many firemen.
in buildings one and buildings two that there was such a fear of trying to go into building seven and fighting the fires in there that there'd be more death that there'd be more damage done to the firemen that they were just like you know what like we've had our fill of death for this day that we Do not need to put ourselves through more a bigger fight for what is property because the building has been evacuated at this point.
There are no people inside building 7.
There's no lives to be saved, so they are.
They're just calling it.
They're just saying we're just going to back away and we're not going to deal with this.
And then on top of that, Another thing that happened was due to the damage from the world, due to the attack on the first two World Trade Centers, the sprinkler system that was in the World Trade Center had been damaged.
So the sprinklers that were supposed to be going off inside Building 7 to fight the fires were not functional.
They were not working.
So these fires were burning unchecked by anything, because there were no firefighters fighting them, and there was no internal fire safety mechanisms fighting these fires.
These fires were just rampant and not in any way being hindered.
Yeah, and one way to kind of like, people do have a hard time understanding that, but we have the phone calls from Christine Oleander, who was the manager of Windows on the World, the restaurant at the top of the North Tower.
They were telling her, you know, within minutes, actually within seconds of the impact in the North Tower, she had called down to like one of the safety hotlines within the building, asking for instructions.
She said, we're trapped.
And she said, what can we do?
They said, don't break a window.
And well, they did eventually do that.
And they said about wetting cloth and putting it over their mouths.
And she reported to them, we can't get any water.
There's no water from the faucets.
There's no water from the sprinklers.
They were in the windows in the world.
They were going around like dumping vases, like the little fancy vases on the tables for, you know, with the flowers in them and stuff.
They were using that.
There was No water.
The water mains had gotten busted, and when the guys broke through the one elevator in the North Tower, they came out the other side in the bathroom, and the whole bathroom was destroyed.
That's another thing that they never think about.
They think that You know, none of the security systems fail.
They think that none of the electricity failed.
They think that everything was still operational.
And it wasn't.
And all those buildings, they were all connected with like the same water mains.
So that in itself, you know, the sprinklers not being there.
And also, if you want to understand And they wouldn't know this for a few weeks, the exact number.
343 firefighters.
That's the exact number that died that day.
And when you hear, when you watch the videos of the aftermath and you see, you know, the shell shock, dust covered firefighters walking around and you hear that chirping sound, that's 343 dead firefighters.
Each one of those chirping sounds, it's called the The PASS system and it detects like the, you know, if that firefighter is not moving, if the, if the, if that system is not detecting a heartbeat, that's what that chirping sound was.
Those weren't car alarms.
That was the sound of 343 dead firefighters and guess what?
No more needed to die that day.
And I'd also like to add that 343 died that day.
More have died since then from exposure to the dust.
Oh, yeah, that's big.
Jon Stewart's big battle is First Responder, 9-11 First Responder treatment.
These people, they suffered a lot going to the scenes, rushing through the clouds, breathing all that shit into their bodies.
It did a number on so many people.
And this is...
Basically what these, again, this is what these people ignore.
They hand wave it away because they don't want to talk about the fact that all these innocent people were in this unbelievable, unwinnable situation and they had to And then they make a choice, and that choice was either to save some property or to mitigate all the death and carnage that was happening.
And they said, you know what?
We're going to cut our losses here.
As Stephanie just said, over 300 dead firefighters.
I mean, this is just an unbelievable amount of Tragedy.
And so, the other thing that conspiracy theorists will not talk to you about when it comes to this is that Building 7, they knew this building was likely to fall.
The firefighters, first responders, they saw that the building was buckling.
And that this was dangerous because the building was likely to give.
And as a result of the fact that they knew this was a possible thing that was going to happen, they They backed everyone away.
They evacuated, they cleared the area.
They said, get away from this building because it probably is going to fall.
And why would the Illuminati or the Trilateral Commission or whoever do this kind of, like,
why would they put eyes on Building 7 in order to let everybody know it was going to collapse
before it did?
this shouldn't have caught people by surprise that this was their evil secret plan to demolition
this building.
And they instead, we got a very public announcement that, hey, this building might go down, get
away, and then it falls.
And as Stephanie mentioned, there is a NIST model simulation that talks about how you have all this fire burning through the building, and it's doing all this damage, and eventually it gets to a support column.
And it damages that support column to where it starts to buckle.
And once that buckling happens, you eventually get to a catastrophic failure.
And once that happens, it cascades and the building just goes.
And that's what happened.
And like, it's not the crazy conspiracy theory about how the building went down.
It's just like the boring reality of the situation.
Yeah, and with one thing that I experienced as a Truther, and I'm sure you saw this too, everyone's seen this footage in all the Truther videos of, they always play the clip of this firefighter pointing at Building 7, saying, keep your eye on that building fellas, it's coming down.
And that's supposed to be their big aha moment, but Here's the bigger aha moment, is that they cut that.
All the conspiracy theorists cut that, the full clip, and I saw it in a real documentary.
You see the video pans, and you can see they're in front of Building 7, and you hear this groan and this crack.
It sounds like someone's snapping a whip.
And firefighter turns around and says, what was that?
And then you hear the firefighter say, keep your eye on that building.
It's coming down.
They cut out the groan and the crack and the firefighter saying, what was that?
Because that doesn't fit their narrative.
Yeah.
Yeah, they don't want anything that indicates people are reacting to it.
And we're at the 20-minute mark here, so we're going to do a quick little ad read or ad break, get some delicious Swedish kronars, and be right back with the dumber conspiracy theories around this, and also we're going to talk about the interview where the owner of the World Trade Center talks about quote-unquote pulling the building.
And we're back.
So one of the other things that goes on about this is that the conspiracy, I made a thread about this, about how conspiracy theories always have to expand.
They have to get bigger.
It's a fish story.
The fish always has to be more crafty and large, and you have to be the brave fisherman that fought the fish as best you could before losing.
The story around Building 7 just has to get bigger and dumber every time people tell it because they can't just let the story be that it collapsed or that it was demolished by the Illuminati.
Building 7 becomes one of the focal points of Jaseera Nisera.
That it was where all the money was being stored, that Building 7 was where the CIA had all their evil evidence of all their crimes in it, and that they blew up Building 7 to hide all the proof that the moon landing was faked, and who really killed Kennedy, and all that kind of stuff.
The further you go down this rabbit hole, the more it becomes about how Building 7 was more important than Buildings 1 and 2.
How the Deep State knocked down the World Trade Center towers, threw planes into them, or didn't throw planes into them, set off bombs inside them, or mini-nukes, or whatever the fuck it was they did in there.
And they did all of that as a cunning misdirection so you wouldn't notice that they blew up Building 7.
And it's just like, you know, you could have just destroyed the evidence inside of building seven.
You didn't have to kill thousands of people and demolish two giant skyscrapers and then knock down building seven while you were at it in order to hide the evidence.
Evidence does not require building demolition.
You can do that without such Herculean efforts.
So you, Expand the story, and it isn't just about a terrorist attack to allow the Bush administration to have their war in Iraq, their war in Afghanistan, and all that fun stuff.
It has to be a bigger, bolder, better thing where we were covering up whatever was inside Building 7.
Building 7 is the new Area 51.
But, yeah, go ahead.
I was just going to say, and the Office of Emergency Management was in there, and you'll either hear some
conspiracy theorists like leave that out because it doesn't fit their narrative, or you'll hear others talk about that
and say they purposely destroyed it because FEMA and OEM were in there,
and they didn't want a cleanup effort to commence.
Thank you.
Oh yeah, yeah.
They were hiding everything, and they wouldn't even let FEMA come in and take care of it, because that's how reality works.
So, beyond all that, we also go to the other conspiracy theorist's favorite bit of media, which is the fact that the owner of the World Trade Center is in an interview talking about how we had to pull the building.
Basically him being like, hey, we got to demolish building seven.
Obviously, that's what that's the point of what he said.
So did he actually say that?
Was he telling them to blow up building seven?
Well, his exact words, I'm trying to remember because I've heard this clip so many times.
I said to them, there's been such a loss of life.
So what we need to do is just pull it.
And that's what we did.
We pulled it.
And he actually makes like the pulling hand gesture in that interview, and pulling it is a demolition term, but it means that you're strapping special cables to the ground, you know, to the The beams that are connected into the ground and that pulls it and
We would, we would have seen cables.
We would have, because they require like special tractors and shit to do that pulling.
We would have seen, and we, what we did see of vehicles on the ground, near ground zero, what we did see was destroyed vehicles.
So tell me how they're going to, what they're going to wait until the other two buildings collapse before they Put these other vehicles in and then they have the cables already set up.
And most most like reputable demolition experts say that pulling is is not a demolition term.
It can refer to that type of cable demolition, but that's a very specialized thing.
And even if demolition were used in this instance, that would be the wrong type of demolition.
to use. And one of the other things that the conspiracy theorists leave out is that there
were buildings that had to be demolished. The Verizon building, the Deutsche Bank,
those were nearby and they were damaged, but they get left out of the conspiracy theories
a lot of times when it comes to demolition, because it doesn't fit their narrative. I don't
know how those buildings were demolished, if it was controlled demolition or if it was takedown.
But there were other buildings in the area that did have to be demolished, and I never hear them talk about that.
And another thing that I had seen when I was looking into this was the fact that any explosives that would have been used to help bring down Building 7 You would have heard that.
There's no such thing as quiet explosives that can actually knock down a building.
And that's one of the things that the conspiracy theorists never talk about any of the three World Trade Centers going down.
When they go down, you don't hear like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom while the building's collapsing.
You do see plumes of smoke and shit.
And people are like, oh look, that's a bomb.
That plume is a bomb.
And it's like, well, bombs make noise.
Bombs generate sound.
And without that, you don't have an actual... You don't have evidence.
You've got to have that noise.
And that's one of the things, is that Building 7 just falls.
And it is whisper quiet.
It's just...
The videos are shot from far enough away that you don't actually hear the building itself going down.
But if there were explosives inside Building 7 to take it down, you would have heard that.
That wasn't something that could be cheated.
So it's very much a thing where an honest look at the evidence is so heavily weighted in favor of it collapsing the way the official story claims.
That there's really no leg to stand on if you're a conspiracy theorist.
Because you don't have any smoking gun evidence other than deception.
Other than putting a camera on the side of the building that looks intact, watching the building fall down, and then going, how'd that happen?
I don't understand!
That's crazy!
Looks fishy to me, Bob!
And yeah, sorry go ahead No, no, continue.
Unless, yeah, it was all you.
Okay, fine.
And that's the thing, is that you have to prep your evidence to show to your audience so they see the evidence that you want them to see.
You don't want to show them the full picture, because the full picture is bad for your story.
However, The stuff you can show them that furthers your agenda, that could get them led down the road to starting to believe in conspiracy truth or bullshit, which is what you're trying to do.
9-11 is an inside job.
It's not a self-contained conspiracy in the sense that, like, Once you admit 9-11 is an inside job, then you have to basically accuse the entire Bush administration of crimes against humanity.
And then once you're willing to do that, It's really hard not to just go full Illuminati at that point, and be like, well, all the government's corrupt, because Obama didn't persecute Bush for 9-11, so obviously he's in on it, and then Trump's gotta be on it, and Biden's gotta be on it, and on and on and on.
And then, unless you're QAnon, you're like, oh no, Trump knew that Bush did 9-11, but he's just biding his time for the moment to strike!
It's always biting, it's always striking, it's always waiting.
That's just the way this works.
So... Would you say it's Joe Biden?
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, God.
Oh, try the neolithectric tool.
He's Joe Biden.
He's Joe Biden this time.
Oh, God.
Is this it?
There it is.
Thanks.
Yeah, the rim shot is pre-programmed on Riverside, so you get that.
Um, so we also have a laugh track.
The laugh track is a terrifying eight seconds.
That's five seconds too long.
You only need three seconds of laughter.
Dial it back, Riverside.
Dial it back.
Yeah, yeah, we don't need Big Bang laughter.
I prefer the taxi canned laughter to the Big Bang canned laughter.
Oh, God.
Oh, man.
Laugh tracks.
The absolute worst.
So, yeah.
So, that's just how this operates, is that you just get into a grand unifying conspiracy theory very quickly through 9-11.
Because this isn't chasing after Bigfoot.
This isn't dumb Hollywood conspiracy theories, like Beyonce wasn't really pregnant, or stuff like that.
This isn't small ball, like little stuff.
This is big stuff.
This is the government of America carried out a plan to murder thousands of Americans so that then they could pass the Patriot Act and then wage wars of conquest in the Middle East.
And that is very much The United States government is evil and bad.
And that completely mirrors the Kennedy assassination because that is the government murdered the president because they didn't like him and they wanted their war in Vietnam.
And so it's like these two events and the conspiracy theories around them.
It's very much designed to make you hate the American government, which is not great because then you start becoming really nihilistic.
And the, um, the BBC wasn't on it too, because they reported, they, they like had an image in the background of Building 7 still standing, and they reported that it had fallen.
And conspiracy theorists look towards that because in conspiracy land, nobody ever makes a mistake except when they do like that.
So it, So, they reported the building had fallen and it was still standing.
Do you know how many buildings were in that plaza?
Do you know?
And the only two that were recognizable were buildings one and two because they were tall as hell.
So... I mean, duh.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's just how it works.
You can never make a mistake.
If you make a mistake, you're actually telling the truth on accident.
And that is how the conspiracy theory gives away the game.
Or abides by intergalactic contract law, if we're listening to Alex Jones.
So, yeah.
Maybe we'll do more episodes about Buildings 1 and 2, because this was supposed to be the Loose Change series, but Loose Change sucks!
That's what I learned.
That's what I learned by watching it.
It's really disjointed.
It doesn't get into the meat of the program until, like, an hour in, and it's just... God.
So, yeah.
So, maybe we'll do some more 9-11 stuff down the line.
Maybe we won't.
So, thanks, everybody, for listening.
Thanks, Stephanie, for being here.
Have a great day.
Have a great day, everyone.
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