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Feb. 12, 2024 - Adventures in HellwQrld
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HellwQrld Presents: "JFK" The Movie Review

Haley's out and about this weekend so Mike reviews "JFK" and it's really bad. Seriously Oliver Stone ruined America with this film that is full of lies. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Adventures in Hellworld presents...
Who Shot JFK?
Who Shot JFK Hayley had stuff to do this weekend.
So we're going to review episode 10, the crushingly disappointing payoff to Rob Reiner's series next week.
So I wanted to put up something this week for the Kennedy stuff.
So I figured I'd just review the kind of jumping off point for where this madness really got out of control.
And that would be Oliver Stone's JFK, which is of course just a ridiculous movie.
Um, so the truth of JFK the movie is that it is about the Jim Garrison investigations, which Jim Garrison is basically a headline chasing crank who concocts this ridiculous theory that a conspirator named Clay Bertrand was part of the plot to kill the president.
And he eventually decides that Clay Shaw, a New Orleans businessman, was actually Clay Bertrand.
And as a result, he decides to arrest him and charge him as being connected with the conspiracy to kill the president.
And this story portrays Garrison's investigation into Clay Shaw as legitimate, as a thing that was a good thing to do.
That Garrison was on the right track.
I've made this reference before that this movie is, would be like watching a movie in 30 years where A-list Hollywood talent decided to present Lin Wood and Sidney Powell as the protagonists of January 6th and the 2020 election.
That they were in the right about things.
So the movie starts off, Kennedy's been killed.
Everyone's very sad.
Jim Garrison's heartbroken over it.
We get what I believe is Guy Bannister is one of our big bads.
And we immediately established that the people that were happy that Kennedy is dead are bad people.
They're the bad people that are cheerful that this happened and may have worked to achieve it.
And by that I mean, Bannister uses the N-word and talks about how all these minorities got together with, they rallied together to elect this flaming liberal Irishman, Kennedy, and now he's doing all these peace treaties.
He just says the words peace treaties, which I don't really remember Kennedy doing any peace treaties.
The idea is simple, that basically Kennedy is bad because he was trying to reach detente.
He was the peace president.
He was building a path towards peace, as we've heard Rob Reiner say a million times.
And this is the gist of the movie at the start.
And also that once Lyndon Johnson takes over, Lyndon Johnson's totally cool with Vietnam and doing all that good stuff.
And then Garrison gets on a plane, he talks to a guy, and the guy that's on the plane is like, oh, this is all bullet zigging and zagging and Oswald hit him with the third shot when the first shot's always the best shot because that's the one you can get your aim down on easiest.
It's just all this kind of stuff.
It's the idea that the elites know that Kennedy's death was a conspiracy, is an open secret, and they're letting Garrison in on the secret truth that Garrison's being given a peek behind the curtain, but he can't do anything about it.
He can't actually bring the truth out to the public.
And this also then ties into David Ferry, who is supposedly this guy that knew Oswald is working with the anti Castro Cubans and doing all that fun stuff.
And Ferry is Being he's being interrogated.
He's being questioned by Garrison and eventually, uh, very, uh, he dies.
And of course, uh, his death is immediately seen as suspicious.
And Garrison's just like, what if they gave him this drug?
That would look exactly like this and all that kind of stuff.
And which does that sound like anything we've heard on the Reiner podcast about, oh, this
guy died mysteriously.
And obviously it was because these people just kill everybody.
Ferry died of a berry aneurysm and the autopsy concluded no foul play, all that good stuff.
and see you next time.
So, of course, it's silly.
But this movie, again, presents all of these things as being true, being real, and being legitimate.
The movie has what I like to call in it, the three validations.
And these validations are that Garrison is right about everything.
And the reverse order of the validations is the best way to do this.
The end of the movie is that Clayshaw is acquitted, which is the real result of the trial, that
Clayshaw is acquitted very quickly.
The jury basically laughs Garrison's case out of court.
And we get a interview with a juror, and the juror says something to the effect of, well,
it was a conspiracy, but we just couldn't tie Clayshaw to it.
Like the, the juror makes it clear that Garrison proved his case, that Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy.
It's just that Clay Shaw was so tangentially related in the situation that, uh, the jury couldn't connect the two men.
They couldn't put the two men together to make it stick.
Which always makes me laugh, because if you think about it, you've got Jim Garrison in this courtroom talking about how it was a coup d'etat with Lyndon Johnson waiting in the wings.
And we have this clip where Lyndon Johnson says, I'll give you your damn war.
Indicating that he's obviously pro invasion in Vietnam or escalation in Vietnam, I should say.
And that is so silly to me because it makes it seem like if Jim Garrison had indicted Lyndon Johnson, he would have got a conviction.
That the conspiracy was so true, but Garrison just picked the wrong defendant.
And if this was the case, if the jury had been like, Oh yeah, absolutely.
Totally 100% conspiracy.
That's obvious.
Um, then what exactly, why did Garrison not pursue the bigger fish?
Why could he not get an indictment against those people?
And so we have that vindication that the jury did say that Garrison was right, but He just, they just couldn't convict the guy that Garrison went after.
And this is nonsense because the jury was interviewed afterwards and they were just like, you know, I never really thought much about the Warren Commission, but now that I've had this trial, I kind of think it's more legitimate than it really was.
I mean, I just think that they had more going for them than what I was, what I believed previously.
And so.
Stone has to lie about this.
He has to change the story from Garrison's case was laughed out of court to Garrison was totally right.
He just didn't hit.
He just didn't get the right defendant to convict on the charge because the conspiracy was so obviously true.
The jury was swayed about that.
They just couldn't put the two and two together to get to Ford to convict Clay Shaw beyond a reasonable doubt of being a part of that conspiracy to kill the president.
So we have that vindication.
The second vindication is, in a lot of ways to me, the most important vindication.
It's the most important scene in the movie, really, to me, because it's the QAnon scene.
And by that I mean it's the scene where Jim Garrison's young daughter gets a phone call, and Jim Garrison's young daughter picks up the phone, and she Talks to a creepy guy.
And the creepy guy says that her father has entered her in a beauty contest.
And he wants all this information.
He wants to know where she'll be on this certain day.
So he can, like, have her be a part of the beauty contest and all this good stuff.
And after, um, A little while of that, the mother grabs the phone and asks who's calling, and then the guy hangs up on her.
And then Garrison's wife goes over to him and says, Honey, this guy was calling our daughter and trying to get her to be part of some weird, creepy thing.
And Garrison's just like, you know, whatever.
He's a crank.
Cranks do these kinds of things.
It's just the way the world works.
And whatever.
Water under the bridge.
Don't let it bother you.
And then the wife is like, no, this bothers me.
My daughter was just threatened and you refuse to acknowledge that our daughter was threatened by this person.
That this guy is doing some weird, creepy stuff.
And maybe this weird stuff is happening because you are pushing this Kennedy thing.
And maybe you should, you know, back off the Kennedy stuff and just be a normal husband and lawyer and just do your job and not be pilled.
And Garrison rejects this idea.
He's just like, no, I'm pilled.
And I need to find the truth out about JFK no matter what, no matter where it goes, no matter what it costs me, we need to get to the truth of the Kennedy assassination.
We have to do this.
So as a result, He's just like, no, I'm not backing down.
And whatever, whatever plight befalls our family, we just going to have to roll with it because that's the nature of being a truth seeker, fighting the deep state and trying to expose the truth about what happened to President Kennedy.
That's just literally every QAnon lunatic yelling at their family about the fact that they cannot let the Adrenochrome farms go.
They cannot let the truth about John McCain being executed at Gitmo for his crimes go.
They have to keep pushing.
They have to keep believing in this stuff.
And it just shows you like that mentality.
And in this movie, we are presented with the QAnon person, Jim Garrison.
As the protagonist, as the hero, as the guy that we should be siding with, and that the normie wife is the bad person who's trying to wet blanket this stuff.
She's trying to prevent her husband from finding the truth.
And just seeing that is really repulsive because again, Garrison to Craig.
None of his evidence holds any water.
None of what he was proposing was relevant in any way, shape, or form.
But we're not told any of that in this film.
In this film, he's right.
He's right about everything, and the conspiracy is true, and it's real, and that is the way we're told the story.
Now, on top of all that, The wife eventually does get pilled.
When Bobby Kennedy is assassinated, it's at this point that she's like, oh shit, like they killed Bobby the same way they killed Jack.
This is the way, this is what's going on.
The deep state is real.
My husband was right the whole time.
She gets pilled.
She eventually sees the truth.
Her husband is vindicated.
He's right.
He saw the truth and she just refused to acknowledge it because she wanted to stay at Normie.
She wanted to take the blue pill and just have her regular life and her regular family
with her kids and her husband.
And now she's been ripped out of the matrix and she has to see the truth.
And that's what all these QAnon people dream of.
That's what they all aspire to.
That one day they will be the ones to wake up their families.
They'll be the ones to show everyone that they were right and that they knew what was going on.
And so you have that going on.
That is the vindication of the family, the vindication of the people that love him, that they knew the truth.
The final indication of the movie is that he's right about Clay Shaw being Clay Bertrand.
Now, the mechanics of the movie are generally that Garrison believes, talks about stuff.
And then when he talks about those things, we get B-roll footage of the events that Garrison is talking about being shown on the screen to let us know that we're just given the visual representation of it.
And that this is done in a very managed fashion where When David Ferry is accused, when we hear about David Ferry's death, we see David Ferry in black and white running away from the faceless murderer that eventually grabs him and drugs him and kills him.
And this is something that repeats itself over and over again in the movie.
When they talk about how they found Oswald's palm print on the gun, We get B-roll footage of Oswald's corpse and some faceless Deep State agent putting Oswald's corpse's hand on the gun to get the print.
So there's a very defined way where we know what is Jim Garrison speculation and what's supposed to be happening in reality.
Reality is in color.
Jim Garrison speculation is in black and white.
And so we go through those two things.
The big moment in the movie where Garrison is vindicated is when Clay Shaw is brought into the interrogation room and when he's brought into the, where he's brought into the booking room and when he's brought into the booking room, he, Is asked if he has any other aliases or other names.
And he tells the cop, Clay Shaw, Clay Bertrand.
And this is done in color.
This is not done as part of garrison speculation.
This is just 100%.
This is a real thing that really happened.
Clay Shaw did admit to the fact that he was Clay Bertrand.
Which is not true.
This did not happen.
And the movie plays this up as though this was the big event.
This was Garrison's case, and it was cruelly taken away from him.
When in reality, this discussion, there was literally like two days of legal arguments.
Garrison knew that this was going to be a very contentious, very fraught with peril situation, because basically he had one witness who claimed that Shaw said this, and there were numerous other witnesses who said that Shaw was never questioned.
This didn't happen.
And at the end of the day, the judge sided with the witnesses who said that it didn't happen, that he never said he was Clay Bertram.
And yet the movie, again, portrays this as garrison is being railroaded.
The garrison is being denied the ability to present his case fairly.
Which is not what happened.
This was not an event where suddenly he decides to bring up the Clay Bertrand thing.
Everyone freaks out.
Everyone loses their minds.
Blah, blah, blah.
No.
There was a long running debate and discussion and he knew this.
And it was actually Garrison's own side that requested the jury be removed from the courtroom while this discussion and debate was being had.
And also, Garrison's main witness wasn't the Clay Bertrand thing.
It was this crank guy who was absolutely nuts, who's not even in the movie.
He was just a lunatic and was destroyed on cross-examination very quickly.
And they don't bring this up in the movie because it makes Garrison look really bad.
Then the big moment in the movie comes when we finally get Garrison's big reveal.
We finally get Garrison telling us what happened in the assassination.
And I love this part of the movie because it is patently ridiculous.
It is an aggressive denial of reality.
And because this episode is going to be shorter, we're going to take our Rob Reiner mandated ad break here at the 20 minute mark back in a moment.
So I just told you about the JFK setup for Garrison Speculation Reality.
And Garrison Speculation is in black and white and Reality is in color.
But now the really fun thing here is while Garrison is doing his blow by blow for the Kennedy assassination, where the shots are coming from, who's firing the shots, all this good stuff.
Garrison is talking and we get the black and white to indicate the things that are happening.
We get the black and white to indicate that this thing happened and then that thing happened.
And what's so great about this is that suddenly Garrison's commentary, suddenly Garrison's explanation for how all these things happened.
Overrides the Zapruder film.
It overrides what actually happened in the real world.
So Garrison's giving his speech and we got this shot hitting from here.
We got this shot hitting from there.
We got blah, blah, blah, and blue, blue, blue.
And in order to explain how Connelly gets hit without Kennedy getting hit by a bullet.
We have Jackie Kennedy pull her husband aside so that Connelly can be struck by the shot.
And that's what we see in the black and white footage.
The black and white footage has Jackie, uh, reaching out to her husband and then she pulls him towards her.
And this little movement, this slight little tug that Jackie initiates on her husband results in a clear path from the shooter to, uh, To Connelly being allowed, and then Connelly is hit by that bullet.
And this didn't happen.
This did not happen in reality.
You can watch this in a printer film.
Jackie Reaches out to her husband.
She has one arm over his shoulder on the other side of him.
And on the side that's closest to her, she has her hand on his elbow because his arms are splayed outwards.
His elbows are flailed outwards.
And So she's like trying to comfort him and she's looking at him and she's confused as to why is my husband acting the way he's acting?
Why does he, why are his arms out?
Why is his face distressed?
And then he gets shot in the head and she's able to put two and two together.
But She doesn't move him.
She at no point actually manages to manipulate her husband in such a way as to clear the path so that Connelly can get hit by the shot.
But in this movie, Garrison's speculation is more powerful than what actually happened.
He's able to actually break the world.
And then, A few moments later in the sequence of events, Garrison has black and white footage.
Of the Secret Service's limo, he has the brake lights of the limo come on and the limo seemingly stop as to, um, so to allow the fatal headshot to land cleaner.
And of course the limo doesn't stop during the assassination.
The, uh, the limo stays moving at the same slow rate consistently throughout the entire film.
And this is, again, just something where the movie flat out lies about reality.
The movie is just like, you know, it would be better and more fun if we had the limousine just stop during the shooting.
So we're just going to put that in there.
We're just going to have Jim Garrison just, again, break reality and do that.
And then after those things, that's our story.
That's the story that we get from this movie.
A couple other really obvious and egregiously wrong things that happen in this movie are, A, He, Stone spends a long time being very upset about an epileptic who had a seizure and was transported away from Parkland Hospital.
Uh, before the assassination.
And, uh, the man who had this, uh, epileptic episode is basically kind of indicated as, as part of the plot.
He is a guy that, um, he's like, oh, this guy freaked out and had this epileptic seizure and he faked it so that the assassins could sneak into place while everyone was distracted by him.
And in reality, the guy was just a person who suffered from epilepsy.
He went to Parkland Hospital, and then after he went to Parkland Hospital, He left because he wasn't receiving, he felt better.
He recovered from his seizure and no harm, no foul.
And then he realized he wasn't getting any treatment because, oh wait, the president had shown up having been shot.
And literally it was all hands on deck to treat the president and the governor who had been shot.
The name of the man was Jerry Belknap.
I'm terrible at names.
And Stone really goes after this guy.
Him being a part of this is a big part of this.
So we get to hear that nonsense a few times in the movie.
Just throw your hands up in the air in frustration.
kind of moment in the movie is when Kennedy, they show the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, and they state that there were temporary workers that were on the sixth floor helping to repair the floor, which is such a ridiculous lie that You can't even wrap your head around it.
It's absolute nonsense.
Because if that had been the case, those people would have been sought after immediately.
That would have been the ultimate investigation into who these people who were not regular employees of the Texas School Book Depository, who were they?
How did they have access to the floor from which The government said the fatal shots were fired that killed the president.
And we also get a very long bunch of, the military ran the autopsy and they made sure those doctors didn't do shit about shit.
Uh, because again, this is the conspiracy.
This is the plot that the government let civilian doctors handle Kennedy's body.
They let civilian doctors talk to the press and say things like President Kennedy's throat wound was an entrance wound.
And then after they did all that, they just, uh, then they, then and only then did they decide to take control of these things and make sure that Kennedy's body was handled in accordance with their dictates and their view of things at Bethesda.
Which, uh, as I've said before, uh, Jackie Kennedy was the one who requested his autopsy be at Bethesda.
She, she decided he was a Navy man, so he should be autopsied at the Naval hospital.
So the conspiracy would have had to have known what Jackie's wishes for the autopsy were before they could have assembled their autopsy butchering team to screw with the autopsy.
So, I mean, that's, I mean, I could go on for forever about this movie.
Maybe one day I will do like the deep dive and do scene by scene of this film, which I think I did on my, on the, on the $5 Patreon stuff.
So if you want that.
If you want that, you can put in the money.
I'm watching the movie on mute, and now I just saw the epileptic seizure!
They just showed it again!
Oh, God, Stone loves the epileptic seizure.
And now we got the hit team coming onto the sixth floor, who were obviously just random people.
So silly.
It's just such a silly movie.
Like, just think of what this movie is claiming happened here.
You've got guys on a phone, on radios, they're all on the sixth floor and they're like just handling the assassination here.
And who are these people?
Like, how did nobody in the Texas School Book Depository notice this gaggle of men grabbing their guns and heading up to this window to start shooting at the president?
Why would you ever think this was a good idea?
Like literally none of the locations where the assassins are firing from are good ideas because the grassy knoll is very exposed.
The grassy knoll is not great.
Oh, Umbrella Man!
Oh, they showed Umbrella Man!
I love it.
Oh, Umbrella Man's so dumb.
But yeah, this movie is just absolute train wreck nonsense.
And, uh, it's, it's really funny.
It's just very silly.
Um, cause if you were, if you were the assassin on the grassy knoll, boy, howdy, are you being hung out to dry?
Cause you gotta get so lucky that no one catches you.
I've been to the grassy knoll.
It is, uh, it is very well and, uh, properly out there.
There's not a lot of places to hide.
And one of the great parts of this movie is they have all these people talking about a flash of light and a puff of smoke from the grassy knoll.
And Oliver Stone diligently, vigilantly, obsessively looked for Any firearm that could generate a puff of smoke, and he could not find any of them.
So instead, he just literally got a smoke machine and just put smoke from the grassy knoll that way.
That was how he did it.
Because he couldn't do it legitimately.
He couldn't do it with an actual gun.
So he just decided, you know what?
Screw it.
I'm just gonna make do.
I'm just gonna fake people out by putting in this smoke effect from a machine.
And it's nonsense.
Again, it just goes to show you the aggressive dishonesty of the movie, where Stone doesn't tell you that.
Stone doesn't tell you, oh yeah, BT dubs, BT dubs, I had to fake the smoke from the grassy knoll because it doesn't come legitimately.
It's just great that way.
So there's the, I don't know, quick quote unquote review of JFK.
I don't know how long did I go here?
Probably hear my mouse clicking because I'm pulling back into the studio.
30 minutes.
So anyways, I got a couple questions here.
And those questions are, first, Dennis Kabilis asks, the film seems to say that someone told a certain number of Secret Service agents and other protective personnel to stand down that day.
Is that even true?
If so, why would that have happened?
It's not true.
The movie talks about an intelligence group that was told to stand down, and in reality, They actually had about like eight people in Dallas that day helping run security for the, um, for the, for the motorcade.
So that is not a, uh, that was not a true thing that actually happened.
It was the 112th Military Intelligence Group.
And in reality, the House Select Committee on Assassinations took testimony from Colonel Robert E. Jones, who had been the Operations Officer of the 112th Military Intelligence Group from June 1963 until January 1965.
He was also questioned about a variety of matters, including the Union's role in protecting the protection of the President, During his trip, not only did Jones not mention any order to stand down, he explicitly noted that his unit provided protection
for the president in Dallas. He stated, quote, we provided a small force. I do not recall how many,
but I would estimate between eight and 12 during the president's trip to San Antonio, Texas,
and then the following day on his visit to Dallas. The regions also provided additional people to
assist and that additional people from region two, and that is additional region from people to
hearings before the subcommittee on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy
of the Select Committee on Assassinations, House Representatives, Executive Session, Washington.
in DC, April 20th, 1968, page 1 through 14. Prouty, who is Mr. X in the movie, who is
also hilariously, the character is that of Richard Case Nagle.
Mr. X, Donald Southern's character is basically Richard Case Nagle and also Prouty,
this Fletcher Prouty, who are the people that were talking conspiracy about the
Kennedy assassination.
So, Prouty's claim is thus flatly at odds with the on-record sworn testimony of the operations officer of the unit.
Like so many of his claims, it just doesn't jibe with the historical record.
And I got this from jfk slash, uh, slash, uh, not a slash, like dash, dash assassination.net slash crowdy, HTML, HTM, hashtag, uh, one, I S M three.
Maybe I'll post a link to that on when I post this.
We're probably not going to forget some terrible about these things, but yeah, I read all of that off a website.
I'm not plagiarizing.
Please don't come for me.
H bomber guy.
So there was no stand down order.
There is also ridiculous conspiracy theories that like while the shots were ringing out, the guy in charge of the Secret Service on the backup car told the Secret Service agents not to intervene, to not jump off the limo and assist the president.
Which would have been a really wild thing for them to do because witnesses would have heard him say that.
And then there would have been a lot of people going, yo, what the fuck?
Why were you telling the officers not to save the president from the assassination?
And there's also a lot of talk about JFK's motorcade not being protected.
Very well, that his security was poor.
And the thing is, Kennedy's motorcades were just kind of dangerous the whole way.
I mean, there's photos of Kennedy in San Antonio and the Secret Service car is further behind him than it was in Dallas.
Um, there are numerous, uh, motorcades, um, the JFK was a part of where instead of sitting in the backseat of the car, he was like sitting actually on the, uh, the back.
He was sitting on the, on the trunk of the car.
Like his entire upper body was exposed to the crowd, not just his like head.
Uh, so Kennedy, um, Kennedy and his motorcades were a dicey proposition in a lot of places.
So, I mean, you had this sort of blasé handling of security from the president and the Secret Service when these motorcades were happening.
And there's even talk in these situations where Like, did Kennedy, you know, he would just sort of, like, blow off the Secret Service and, like, walk over to a crowd and start shaking hands and being all buddy-buddy with people.
And so, like, the risk of something happening to Kennedy in these situations was always there.
It wasn't like the Dallas motorcade was a particularly vexing motorcade where the security was way slacker and way less stringent than it was in other locations.
He, uh, like people always point out these things that like Secret Service protocol was, uh, broken and it, but it was constantly broken because the car is supposed to be over 40 miles an hour and it wasn't, uh, windows are supposed to be closed on buildings.
They weren't.
Um, there is, uh, this video, I'm looking at a photo now of Kennedy He's in a white limo in Houston.
Um, and the secret service are, I mean, my God, the secret service could not be in a
less, uh, less responsive, uh, positioning to handle, uh, as anything that would
have happened to the man than they were in the spot, like literally there are
three secret service in the backup car.
And they're not even on the running boards.
Like they're sitting in the back of the limo, the, the, those of the, of their
limo, just, just chilling.
There's a couple of cops on motorcycles on either side of the president.
And there's a few more cops on motorcycles around them, but there's nobody that could
react to an attack on the president with any sense of speed.
I mean, this is just, it's just nonsense.
And that, that was kind of the standard way these motorcades were run.
And then Kennedy got killed and they had to start taking security seriously for this shit.
Cause, uh, can't be having the president get murdered by some nobody who decides to just go to work with a gun in his bag.
And that's that.
So thanks for that question.
And SubZeroShortArt says, sorry, your exchange with a person calling you a spook about Lee Harvey Oswald getting his rifle via general delivery to a different name and legislation involved in retrieving an item, but not sure what the point of contention was.
Okay.
So what this person was arguing is basically they tried to hit me with another silly little thing, which was that Oswald did not get the gun that was in So Oswald puts in a mail order for a gun from a mail order catalog that was selling guns.
And, um, what happens is, uh, the gun Oswald gets is a, um, different one than the one that was in the, um, that was in the ad.
And this person was like, Oh, like Oswald didn't even get that gun.
What's going on there?
But, uh, I did my own research and by that I meant, I mean, I went to Wikipedia and Wikipedia had the answer, which was the fact that Oswald's, uh, the, the people that were selling the gun through that ad had run out of the model that Oswald had ordered and they were filling out, uh, they were sending out a different gun, slightly different gun as a result.
And, um, so basically what happened was, um, When Oswald had, uh, ordered the gun, um, under and had it mailed to a PO box that was under a Heidel, which was one of the, which was the alias, uh, Oswald used for a lot of his, uh, shady shit that he was doing.
And so he, sorry, but he had the PO box under that other name.
And as a result, he, the person was basically making the argument that Oswald would not be
able to get the gun through the PO box because the PO box said that it was under the name of
Al-Qaeda and Oswald would show up and they would be like, no, there's no way that you
can have this gun. And, but the person in charge of the post office, they stated that,
basically, if you showed up for something and said, Hey, I have this PO box and there's a package for
me waiting there, that the, the
Bye.
They would just give it to you.
They would just give you the item.
Cause they would, they didn't think that people would, uh, be asking for stuff from a PO box that wasn't their own.
And that is what the post office guy said to the Warren Commission, and that is how Oswald got the gun.
Now this is a very silly argument to make, because we have the photographs of Oswald holding that rifle that he had his wife take of him in the backyard of his home.
And those are the photos where he's holding the rifle and his handgun and he's holding the communist newspapers.
So Oswald is very much flouting.
He's very much flaunting the fact that I have this gun.
I am the proud owner of this Mandelkar-Karkana rifle.
So the idea that there is some sort of breach in the chain of custody where Oswald could not have got his hands on this gun, therefore Oswald could not have done this, is very silly.
But that's what the guy was arguing with me.
I mean, and of course, I'm sure that if we had gotten into the weeds about it, he would have told me that those backyard photos with Oswald and the gun were faked, and yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda.
When the Warren Commission, the House Select Committee on Assassinations, and pretty much anyone who's ever looked at those photos who has any idea and any understanding of how photographs work have all said they're authentic and real.
So yeah, that was the story of the Oswald post office box and how this guy thought he had a real gotcha about Oswald not being able to have access to the rifle that killed the president.
So, that concludes our two-question mailbag.
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