HellwQrld Presents: "Who Killed JFK? Lee Harvey Oswald" Episode 4: Oswald is Big in Japan
This Episode features Oswald maybe being in MKULTRA (Rob is too cowardly to actually say Oswald is a Sleeper Agent) and gets into him being in Japan and then runs through a bunch of people who make claims that aren't really solid about how they know Oswald was totally CIA. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of Hellworld Presents Who Shot JFK?
A.K.A. It Was Lee Harvey Oswald.
It Was Lee Harvey Oswald, You Idiots!
And we now have a new intro, thanks to one of our followers.
I believe it's Eric, who I'm trying to give the credit to.
And I hope I got that right, because I'll feel ashamed if I don't.
But we don't edit anything here, so I'm not even going to look it up.
I'm just swinging it.
And of course, I am joined by Haley, my solid head O'Brien, to my insane Rob Reiner.
Um, hello listeners and thank you to whoever made that.
That was the first time I heard it and it made me laugh.
I'm dressed for the holiday.
Yes, Hayley is wearing her Lee Harvey Oswald mugshot t-shirt, which is awesome.
I got it for Christmas.
I specifically requested this because I knew we were doing this episode and also I've become Lee Harvey Oswald-pilled in the sense that he did it.
Yeah, it's just one of those things where, like, you go into the Kennedy Saz Age with ambivalence, and then you're just like, oh, wait, no, it was just Oswald.
So, like, really?
And that's, it's like, again, it's like the reverse of the Soledad O'Brien gimmick she's playing.
In their show, where she's like, now I'm coming at this totally objectively, and Rob Reiner's just absolute crazy talk.
I love making this statement.
Rob Reiner's just unzipping himself and having tens of thousands of spiders pour out of his human suit.
And Soledad O'Brien is just like, interesting.
Interesting, Rob.
That's great.
Psychology is defined as.
Yeah.
The one thing that makes me so angry, besides all the lies and all the cherry picking of information and evidence in their podcast, the one thing that is just enraging every time I hear it is when Rob says, now Soledad, I want you to read this.
Because it's very obvious he knows he's on, like, a 10-minute jag, and this is a two-voice podcast.
So he's like, I gotta get the other voice in.
So, Soledad, let me take a breather here and hit my vape pen.
You, Toots, Dame, Broad, you do a little talking for a moment for the people while I rest my vocal cords so I can bitch more about Joe Giannettis or whoever he was.
It's just, oh my god.
The idea of telling someone else, hey, read this for me.
It's just so organizing to me.
It'd be like if me and Hayley had notes for this episode here, and I talked for like five minutes, and I'm like, hey, Hayley, Hayley, read the notes.
Read some of the show notes for the audience.
I got to go take a pee.
I got to mute my microphone because I'm not Vivek.
I'm gonna hit the head and then I'll be right back.
You read something for the audience.
Do your job, little lady.
It's like, oh my god.
And then her job is basically just to kind of affirm what Rob had just said.
She's like, so Rob, I'm gonna need you to repeat that very slowly and very clearly.
And then he does.
This is how every episode ends, is that we listen to Rob's Very long.
The theme of the episode and like all the conspiracies that he's kind of just asking questions about.
And then at the end, Soledad will be like, all right, Rob, so I'm going to need you to summarize all this.
And he kind of quickly like checklists everything that just happened in the episode in one quick sentence to make it sound like an even bigger conspiracy.
And that's her job is to just make Rob seem more correct than he is.
Yeah, and again, I think the next episode is the first time we ever get pushback from her against him.
So it's like episode 5 in this podcast series is the first time she pushes back.
And let me tell you, listener, Rob crushes her in response.
Shut up, bitch!
It's not quite that bad, but it's close.
It really is.
He's like, you want me to cut you like the other guy?
We've made cuts on this podcast.
I'll write you out.
I don't need you.
I don't need anybody.
I'm Rob Reiner.
I'm King Fuck of Shit Mountain.
I'll let you know that.
It's like, oh my God.
It's like, Rob, Rob, no.
Put the gun down, Rob.
Calm down.
You have so much to live for.
That's like him.
So dad, if you're regretting this podcast and feel like you're being held hostage, come on our pod and talk to us about it.
Or just interview me.
Like, let me present the other side.
We don't even have to do 12 episodes.
Me, you.
You can talk to me for like, I don't know, two hours.
You can edit it down to 45 minutes.
I'll hit all the notes.
I promise.
I'll go over the magic bullet in legitimately because this is the main thing for me and these podcasts that every video Every book, anything that involves the Kennedy assassination, if you don't jump in feet first with the sequence of the shots, where they came from, and all this stuff, I think you're dishonest.
I just think you're dishonest because, to me, you're trying to condition the audience into accepting your narrative to get to where you need to get them so you can start telling them the bullshit about your sequencing.
It's like Out of Shadows, where you literally have these two stuntmen and this one other crank talking about MKUltra and Operation Paperclip and all this stuff.
And like, Out of Shadows is like a 90 minute Quote-unquote movie and Liz Crokin doesn't show up until the last half hour of it and then they bust out Pizzagate and it's just like two-thirds of the movie was just priming you to accept Pizzagate.
That's all it was.
And, uh, Rich Man's Trick, which is one of my favorite and absolutely nutso Kennedy assassination things, they literally, like, have the limo turning on the Elm Street, and then the guy's like, first, I need to give you a little backstory.
It's like, no!
No, you don't!
Tell me where the shots were coming from and who fired them.
Just, just, just go.
And then the guy goes into H.W.
Bush and this, that, the other thing.
And when they get back to Daley Plaza, the dude has 10 gunshots fired at Kennedy.
And in an offhanded statement, he says that 16 shots were fired in total, which is so cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
When again, The vast majority of witnesses said there were three shots.
There were a smaller minority of witnesses who heard four shots, and almost nobody heard more than four.
Like, once you go past four shots, you are already going into cuckoo bananas land.
Nobody heard a machine gun?
There was no machine gun reports?
Yeah, no one, like, the guy from the Grassy Dole was just, like, spraying AR-15 into Kennedy.
Nobody noticed.
I'm just imagining you just seeing bullet strikes hitting the door of the limo.
Bing, bing, bing, bing.
And then Kennedy's head explodes.
And then he just runs more bullets along the trunk.
He's like, I just can't stop shooting.
He just riddles the limo with bullets.
It's just so ridiculous.
But yeah, you just have this nonsense.
And they gotta condition you for it, which is why I think episode 8 is when they finally get to Daily Plaza.
And I don't know.
Um, yeah.
And it's just like, I don't know what they're doing.
I haven't listened to it yet.
Cause, cause I'm, we, we had, we had our little, um, scheduling conflicts, the holidays, that kind of stuff.
So we, we skipped a week and I had originally delusionally believed that I was just going to lump episodes four and five together.
Cause they suck.
But the writers need to name drop one million people in every episode.
His constant expansion of the JFK assassination conspiracy cinematic universe is so brutal that He introduces characters just to say one line.
He's like, here's David Talbot just to say that he believes Lee Harvey Oswald was a spy.
And then you hear him come in and he's like, I believe Lee Harvey Oswald was a spy!
And then that's the last you hear of him.
It's like, why did you do that?
Why did I need to look up this guy?
It's like the secret service agent Phil Landis, who had that weird story about finding the bullet after Jackie stood up, where Rob's just yelling, Phil!
Phil!
Now tell me what happened on the day Kennedy died!
Well, sonny, it was a terrible day in Dallas.
Can you hear me?
Yes, I can, Phil!
I can hear you, but you can't hear me, which is why I'm yelling at you, you old man!
Okay, Rob.
Oh my god.
But yeah, it's just that like, there's just this constant growing of the narrative.
There's just this world building that will never end.
And I think this is a 10 episode series.
It might be 12, but even if it's 12, buddy, you got to tighten this up.
You can't have a Game of Thrones sized universe and wrap it up in 12 episodes.
You're just going to leave so many plot points dangling.
It's ridiculous.
They just occasionally bring the JFK facts guy in to say like one sentence.
It's like, why is he even here?
Because he's a guy who has a website that promotes the conspiracy theory view of the assassination, which is great.
Oh, so right before we dig into this episode, we've already been riffing for 10 minutes here, but whatever.
So, Haley brought up that General Posner, who wrote the book Case Closed, actually is on Twitter posting about how he was interviewed for this thing, and then they just cut him because he's promoting the Oswald Did It side of this thing.
And that was just no bueno for them.
Pawsner was pretty bummed out about that because he thought this was going to be an even-handed
pod where they were going to take both sides of the conversation and weigh them against each other
and see like what people thought and not so much not so much it was really more just sort of uh
we're here to promote that Kennedy was murdered by a conspiracy we're not going to have your Oswald
low nut crankery yucking our yum so uh calm down buddy. I think this email to Reiner that Reiner
sent him is so just everybody should keep this in mind when listening to the podcast if you're
forced to listen if you if you think you have to listen to it is that on the day the podcast
for me premiered Rob Reiner emailed Pawsner and said like the thrust of the series was for me to
make my case as to what I believe happened uh in putting it all together we found that our
discussion because we fundamentally disagree.
Didn't move my interpretation of events forward.
So sorry to say we wound up not using our conversation.
And it's like, okay, so we know what you're doing here.
And remember, so that's the email that Rob sent where he's like, this is about me promoting the conspiracy theory agenda.
Remember in like the opening episodes, Rob was like, we're going to lay out all the evidence and we're going to see where it takes us.
And now he's just like, oh yeah, by the way, I cut the Oswald did it guy, but I just cut him out of the show because I don't want to give out all the evidence.
I just want to fucking riff.
About how a bunch of pilled comedians in the 1960s made me a JFK nut, and I've had that squirrel running around in my brain for the last 60 years, and that's just what this spot's about.
I just had to let that squirrel go, because I'm rich, I'm famous, and I can do these things.
And I roped poor Soledad O'Brien into being my flunky for this shit.
The other thing that was awesome was that when I was looking at that, Michael Lombardi, who was in the Bill Belichick sphere of influence in the NFL, and has on his bio, like, I got Super Bowl rings!
Boom!
I'm a man!
It's like, buddy, you were within 10 miles of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
By default, you're going to get a Super Bowl ring handed to you at some point.
I could have been a fucking janitor at Foxborough Stadium, and I could have gone to reg.
You didn't do anything, Mike.
Calm down.
Your football takes were mediocre at best.
And Michael Lombardi was like, hey, pause your debate, this guy, and had a link to some guy with like 2,000 followers on YouTube who was like, I'm a nut!
And it's like, oh my god.
So I got to find out that Mike Lombardi, football insider, is also aggressively Kennedy-billed, which was hilarious to find out about.
So anyhow, enough of us yammering about that kind of stuff and doing like an overview of why this whole thing is nonsense.
Episode four is basically the start of a two-part series of Oswald's life before the Kennedy assassination and why it's weird and suspect.
Yeah, because it's really weird that a guy who eventually killed the president kind of had a weird life.
Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
But the other thing about this that's like, this thing opens with the most ridiculous, I really kind of thought that Rob was going to keep things in the boundaries of sanity.
But this thing opens by him giving a wink and a nod to MKUltra, which is just, wow.
I mean, that is, you are on Some kind of riff.
You were on some kind of crazy.
If you're just like, by the way, Lee Harvey Oswald may have been involved in MKUltra, which was a brainwashing program by the CIA.
The moment you're saying that stuff, and the best part is Rob literally immediately retreats to just asking questions once they put that out there.
Once they put that out there, they're just sort of like, No, no, no, no, no, no.
Oh, no.
Nope.
Just asking questions.
Just asking questions.
Wasn't saying anything serious about that.
Just putting it out there.
We don't know if Oswald was an MKUltra or not.
And then he does his two-part.
He introduces two people real quick.
He's like, this guy, though, says he is.
And also this guy.
I'm not saying it.
I'm just presenting these guys.
And the weirdest part about that was that they introduced Dr. Hartogs, and then they have, I think it's Dick Russell, but basically someone that interviews Hartogs, and again, it's a million-year-old guy, and they're kind of badgering him.
And then after that, Russell says to the effect of, Hartogs is lying to me, because Hartogs was working with Sidney Mallitz, who was knee-deep in MKUltra back in the day.
And Haley told me this, she was like, when I was looking into Sidney Mallett's, I couldn't find them.
The only links to them were the transcripts of this episode.
Like, this person doesn't exist in reality.
Are I spelling it wrong?
I think, we think, maybe what happened is they met A different Sidney?
I don't know why.
Maybe we got this wrong.
They say Sidney Malitz was a major part of this MKUltra program that would eventually lead to the assassination of JFK.
Seems like a pretty big character.
Sidney Malitz, anybody?
Who's the person we think they got him mixed up with?
Sidney Gottlieb.
Yeah, because Sidney Gottlieb is the guy that was knee deep at MKUltra, which is, makes sense for what we are, what we think happened here.
And so it's just, um, yeah, Sidney Gottlieb is a, according to Wikipedia, is an American chemist and spy master who, um, Headed MKUltra.
And so this makes all the sense in the world that this would be the person.
But check the transcripts, and the show calls this person Sidney Mallitz.
And I believe they spelled it with an S, but somewhere it's spelled with a Z. And there's no way we could be getting this wrong, because it said Mallitz in the show.
Like several times.
But in Wikipedia, it's Sidney Gottlieb, which again, this is produced by Soledad O'Brien and an actual production company.
Did they just aggressively brick the last name of one of their like, important characters?
It's so strange that This is the kind of thing that is not a shoestring operation.
I mean, they have powerful jazz stings hitting at the start of all their chapters.
This shouldn't be happening, where me and Hayley are having to guess on Wikipedia if Sidney Gottlieb is Sidney Malitz or not.
Like, what is going on here?
But the other thing about this that is So ridiculous is that once you are making the illusion, once you're winking and nodding at Oswald being an MKUltra patsy or sleeper or whatever you're trying to say about MKUltra with Oswald, it's just like,
Wow, the power level of this conspiracy is so much greater than it should be.
What are we even doing at this point?
Like, this feels like we're in a situation where Why did they have Oswald do this?
Why did they have someone who was a weirdo crank who loved communism, defected to the Soviet Union, came back and did all this stuff?
Why have a character with such a weird, checkered, strange past that we get two episodes about it?
When you could just have MK altered up some like racist kid from the deep South to kill Kennedy over civil rights.
And you should just instead of having a sniper fire at him from a distance and you don't know what happened and it's all murky and there's all kinds of confusion.
As slow as JFK's limo was going on on Elm Street in Dealey Plaza, it was going even slower when it turned because it took a hard 90 degree turn to get onto Elm Street.
You can just have your MKUltra assassin standing at that turn, whisper like green pineapples at him or whatever to activate him.
And then when Kennedy's limo is like basically stopped trying to lurch around that corner, he just walks over to Kennedy and murders him and it's over.
And that guy is just arrested immediately.
We're done here.
It's over.
No, no, no muss, no fuss.
And people go through his backstory and they're just like, Billy Bob Jenkins was a perennial delinquent from Mississippi, and he got into all kinds of altercations with blacks and other minorities.
He joined the KKK when he was 20, and then when he was 21, he murdered the president.
And there would be no conspiracies.
There'd be no confusion.
They'd be like, oh, this racist asshole moron murdered the president.
No muss, no fuss.
And maybe some reporters would be like, hey, when he was 13 years old, he got taken out of school and put in this special program.
And then people are like, yeah, whatever.
Shut up.
We don't care.
You could have picked such a better Patsy than Oswald, which Again, they're obsessed with that fucking Patsy line from Oswald.
They literally define it in the opening of the episode.
That wasn't a joke that I made earlier.
That was literally what happened.
Solid Dad's like, Patsy is defined as.
It's like, why are we doing this?
I think they literally just need to kill time.
Yeah, which is really wild, because again, some of these episodes are short, and I really thought that episode 6 was a sign that they were mailing it in because it was so short.
And then episode 6 is just straight crazy town.
It's like, holy shit.
And I know I'm building that episode up a lot, and I apologize to you listeners, but when we get there, I promise you it's going to pay off for how nuts it is.
And if it doesn't, your money back.
You're not paying anything.
Leave me alone.
This part, though, this part is really, I have to summarize this whole little part, though, with, like, the doctor, what is it, Hartogs?
Renettis Hartogs?
Yes.
That was who Lee Harvey Oswald saw as a teenager, like a psychologist.
And, like, the point of introducing Sidney Malitz was to be like, oh, they were part of the same hypnosis program, possibly not Sidney Malitz, because I can't find that name anywhere.
But then it's like, okay, so they're talking about this guy, these two guys, and like Lee Harvey Oswald's youth, like he, you know, moved like 22 times as a kid, and then was like in trouble for truancy, and like, yeah, saw this psychologist, and then Rob is like, immediately after meeting Hartog's, Lee Harvey Oswald sign-ups for the Marines.
And he kind of is presenting it like, isn't that odd?
Like, isn't it odd that a guy from a broken home who never had any stability and doesn't seem to have a future signed up for the Marines?
That's what the big conspiracy in this little section is.
Because this is when Soledad asks the question, so are you saying that you think Lee Harvey Oswald might have been part of the MKUltra program?
And that's when Rob backs off and he's like, no way to know for certain!
So this whole bit is supposed to be like kind of a setup to be like eventually we're going to tell you that this is MKUltra and this is the beginning right here.
You know?
Right.
It's weird.
But the other thing, what they of course leave out, because again, they don't want to put this out there, is that Oswald's older brother was in the Marines, and so Oswald was just emulating his older brother, and was like, my older brother joined the military, so I'm going to join them too!
And so... It says he literally wore his Marines ring like he was so obsessed with joining the Marines, but you don't get that from the podcast.
You just think it's weird that he all of a sudden signs up for the Marines one day.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
It's, it's just, it's literally, yeah, this guy, MK ultras him and it's just like, join the Marines.
Yeah.
Yeah.
His, his brother, his brother was the one who signed for him as his legal guardian to get him in the Marines.
Cause he was underage.
He was 17 when he did it.
So, I mean, it is.
That's just part of the narrative.
That's what I, that's what Soul Dad and Rob keep telling me.
It's part of the narrative.
Right.
Yeah.
Or the story.
I like that she says that a lot.
She's like, she says the story and then Rob is like, I like that you say story because that's what it is.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's like, they're like, we have two competing narratives and it was just like, And then Rob gets really angry and is like, it is a narrative that Oswald killed the president because it's bullshit.
It's just like, yeah, yeah.
Robert Edward Oswald served as a Marine in the Korean War.
So yeah, Lee Harvey Oswald was just like, hey, my brother's in the military.
He was a warrior fighting for America and all that cool stuff.
I want to emulate my brother.
Siblings looking up to their older siblings?
Well, surprise!
What a conspiracy!
It's just like, what are we even doing here?
So, yeah, we have that.
And so the early part of this stuff, the early part of this episode is the MKUltra stuff with Oswald and Dr. Mallet and all this crap.
And then Um, Rob going after the Warren Commission some more because he's mad because that's literally this whole thing is just him being like, you know what's bullshit?
The Warren Commission.
Let me tell you.
And it's like, Rob, we get it.
You say this three times every episode.
And, uh, they, they, him and Solidad whined about how the press really like gave Oswald a bum rap.
Cause you know, I'm thinking the 1960s press should have given a fair shake to the guy that murdered the president.
The local DA said he was the killer and so did the FBI, those jerks.
And then Soledad also does this thing where she was just like, this was the biggest thing that had happened since the assassination of President Lincoln, which BT dubs, get fucked Garfield and McKinley.
Your assassinations weren't shit.
You got murdered and no one gave a fuck.
But yeah.
So and then she was like, but there wasn't social media back when Lincoln got killed.
It's like, oh, great.
Yeah.
Thanks for letting us know, Soledad, that news was a little different back in the day when Lincoln got shot.
It's like there was no little kids glued to their TV like Rob at the time.
Like, oh, a lot of great that's done.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And by the way, Soledad, if you've looked into the Lincoln assassination, it was kind of obvious who did it.
The guy shot him in the head, then jumped on a stage and said, I just murdered the president!
Woo!
And then ran away.
It was not sniper fire.
It wasn't confusing.
There weren't people thinking there was a second gunman.
No, it was one crank who wanted publicly known that he had killed the president, and he did it because he loved the Confederacy.
And that's why when we talk about the assassination of Lincoln and people bring up John Wilkes Booth, people don't take out their exacto knives and carve around the word allegedly on anything.
Because technically John Wilkes Booth was never convicted for the assassination of President Lincoln.
He was never convicted.
He is only allegedly the assassin of Abraham Lincoln.
Spoiler alert.
He was the assassin.
Calm down.
But I mean, it's just, it's just, it's just so silly.
To try to compare the two, both in timeline and in what happened, because the only conspiracy theories that really exist about Booth is did Confederate higher-ups like put him up to doing it?
Because like there was like this talk, I've read conspiracy theories about this, where Booth's original plan was not to flee into the Confederacy afterwards, because the Confederacy at that point was 95% conquered and that was not really going to help.
But the original plan was for him to flee into Canada.
And then for America to demand him to be extradited back to a year and that that extradition would be messy and might get England to get into the war to try to breathe new life into the Confederacy, which had already literally been defeated.
So, um, yeah, not so much, but, uh, so we have all that stuff.
And then finally we get into Oswald's career as a Marine.
And the first thing that happens here is Rob talks about how Oswald is hanging out at the Queen Bee Hotel.
And this is a ritzy establishment where the officers and the guys who got the big bucks are out hanging around.
And Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't rub two nickels together.
How is Oswald at the Queen Bee?
He has to be funded by somebody else.
He's obviously on the CIA's payroll if he's hanging out with the bigwigs at the Queen Bee.
And the reality of this story is that Oswald had some sort of relationship with a hostess at the Queen Bee.
And from what people said at the time, she found Oswald to be interesting and she was talking to him.
And if they were dating or not is not actually known.
There are other people, not Rob Reiner mind you, that would also say that this hostess lady may have been a Japanese communist who was trying to recruit Oswald into some sort of communist group because Oswald at this point was openly talking about how communism was great and he was trying to learn Russian and he was this very weird Marine who was pro-Soviet.
So, whatever the relationship between the hostess and Oswald was, that's probably why he was hanging out there, because he was just hanging out with his, like, marine crush or whatever.
Who knows?
Or maybe, like, she was trying to recruit him and he was totally CIA and trying to do something with her.
Who knows?
Maybe she thought he was hot and punk.
It could have been.
Yep, who knows?
Who knows?
I mean, this is...
This is a period of time in Oswald's life where he is twice treated for gonorrhea by the army medical staff.
There is...
documentation that he received that he got the gonorrhea from quote unquote in the line of duty which people have stated is like that proves it was CIA because he was he was told to start uh like just fucking around and getting laid or to like embed himself into the enemy camp as a uh right proper just regular marine who likes to sleep around and stuff But I read a paper about this and how in the line of duty actually just sort of means that you bring up the fact that you have gonorrhea or you get checked out for venereal diseases so that you don't infect yourself.
You don't make it worse on yourself and you don't compromise yourself such that you cannot perform your duties.
And that if you are open about what happened, The Army's just sort of like, yeah, that kind of stuff happens to soldiers, because that's what they do.
They don't really use condoms while they're having sex in the 1960s.
They fuck, they suck, and sometimes they don't always wrap it up.
So sometimes things happen.
Yes.
I like how there's a conspiracy like Oswald needed to be programmed to sleep with women
Yeah.
and get gonorrhea. Like yeah, infamously soldiers not sleeping around where they are stationed.
The thing that happens. That never happens.
Yeah, never, never, never, never. No way, no how.
No, no, no, no, dude, no army dude ever got sent to Japan.
And then was like, it needs to be programming like, wow, Asian women are smoking.
Oh, my God.
Buddy, calm down.
Yeah.
So it's just, so this all happens.
And We then get our first statement about Richard Case Nagel and Lee Harvey Oswald working together as a spy tag team in Japan, trying to recruit Russian military agents to their side.
And we're just going to put all the Nagel stuff into a little box for episode six.
He can't get into it right now.
No, episode six is all Nagel, all the time.
And it's like, if I start talking about Nagel now, then we are going to leave episode four and time warp into episode six.
And no, there's just no point for that.
So rest assured- Bob makes up a big deal that Richard Case Nagel's going to be, he's like, you're going to be hearing that name a lot, but not this episode.
It's kind of a weird episode to drop that line in when it's like, that's the last time you hear him.
From this episode, but he does become an important character in another episode.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we then get to Tosh Plumlee, who is another guy who claims that he was, he knew about Oswald's activities.
He knew Oswald was CIA.
And all this kind of stuff.
And he claims that the thing that's really weird about this is that Plumlee's argument, which again, Rob doesn't get into when it comes to the actual Kennedy assassination.
was that he was part of a CIA operation to prevent Kennedy's assassination and that he, uh, that they failed, that the CIA failed to do this.
And, uh, Oswald's claim, uh, and Plumlee claims that he was, uh, in Delia Plaza at the time that it happened.
And he claims that he went there with CIA agents, and then they failed.
And then from this website that I'm reading from, it says, in the last part of the story, he states that the ride home was very quiet and somber, as all the men felt they had failed.
To this day, he firmly asserts the CIA had nothing to do with the assassination.
The only problem with all of this is that there's absolutely no evidence that Plumlee was involved with the CIA at all.
He has no documentation, nothing.
No way to actually verify these things.
Yeah, there was a lot of claims in this part and I was like, so is anything that this guy, is anything that this guy's saying, is any of it backed up by a single, even one single fact?
Yeah.
Cause he also claims to have made propaganda for the CIA.
So it's like, why are we talking to this guy?
Why are we listening to this guy?
I just, You know, maybe this isn't the most reliable guy since none of his shit could be backed up.
And also he his his lie is I make propaganda for the CIA, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was great.
But that was such a great bit.
Yeah.
Plumlee.
Here's another great part from this website.
This is jfk-assassination.net-tosh-plumlee.htm.
What about his presence in Neely Plaza, if you're thinking?
Quote, there were plenty of photos taken that day, so surely there must be one in the area he claims to have been standing in that you'd be correct.
Plumlee told a class of Jim Marsh students at the University of Texas at Arlington that he was standing on the Commerce Street sidewalk at the time the shots were fired.
This places him on the South Knoll which is pictured in this photo here.
Gary Mack, the curator of the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, was in the class and asked Plumlee to point himself out in the photos.
He was unable to do this because no one is there.
He's like, my girlfriend goes to another school.
Yes.
Yep.
Yeah.
And it continues by saying, with so many plot holes in his story, why would Plumlee go around
spreading this?
The easier answer to assume is that he is an attention seeker that has finally found an audience that is willing to listen to his tall tales.
Like Rob?
Yes.
That sold-out O'Brien?
Award-winning journalist?
Yes!
Yeah, so basically Plumlee is just flailing.
He just made up all this nonsense.
And again, they drop him as soon as his story doesn't line up with theirs.
Because Plumlee's story is that the CIA was trying to stop the assassination, and they failed.
And Soledad and Reiner's story is the CIA murdered the president, period.
That's it.
So this is really funny that they just use Plumlee to be like, Oh, yeah, I totally knew that Kennedy Oswald was CIA when he was in when he was in Japan at that at that military base.
So yeah.
Wonderful.
Why did you not actually finish his story?
Oh, because if you finish the story, he says exactly what you don't want him to say.
So totally honest, totally honest use of the witness.
Yeah, so we had him, we then had David Bucknell, who is another person that I can find so little information about.
And this is the Reiner cinematic universe in a nutshell, that you just throw all these people out there and When I looked into Bucknell, that was literally, like, the only connection that anything on the internet had about him was Oswald and his venereal diseases.
An intelligence connection?
Bucknell is just so minor that there's no reporting on this guy at all.
And this is the super frustrating part about this show, is that They're getting names wrong.
They are naming people that are so unrelated to the actual story that you're just chasing ghosts.
Like, we had to hunt down Sydney Mallets.
And we think we did, but we don't know.
So you have all of this, you have these two characters, and then their final big character was James Wilcott, who claimed he broke the crypto code on Oswald's CIA paychecks and figured out that it was Oswald that was receiving these paychecks.
During his time in Japan as a full-blown agent of the CIA.
And the thing is, Wilcott, in the actual testimony before the House Select Committee, when they ask him, so what was Oswald's code and how'd you break it?
He's like, I don't really remember.
And they're like, so, but you said that you did this.
And he's like, yeah.
And there is some question about when Wilcott was in Japan and when Oswald was in Japan, does the timeline of the two men match up to the point where they would have crossed paths and they would have, um, He would have been the, the paymaster for, uh, Oswald.
And it's really, um, again, it's just one of these things where it's like, I just don't know about how much veracity you can put into this because he, uh, going through his testimony, it's just sort of.
Yeah, I'm not really sure.
And they asked him a lot in the House Select Committee.
They were like, so you said that you looked for this information after you heard that Oswald was dead.
And then Wolcott's like, yes.
And they're like, but your books would not have had that information because the books were designed in such a way that you wouldn't have access to the timeline.
He's like, well, yeah, but I just wanted to take a swing.
So it's just like.
Also, I do like that they bring up, I think it's Dick Russell at this point talking, because for some reason he took over as co-host this episode.
He's in it like more than Soledad.
But he's, they bring up that like a New York Times article discredited Wilcox, was it Wilcox?
The, yeah, the CIA accountant is, they were like, there was a New York Times article that discredited at the time.
Um, and Dick Russell is like, discrediting is a classic disinformation CIA tactic.
Like you didn't even have to bring that up that, you know, that the guy got discredited in the newspaper and they're like, but don't listen to that because that's a CIA tactic.
Yeah.
Yeah, so Mr. Goldsmith asks him, and for purposes of clarification now, if Oswald was already dead at the time you went to this book, why did you go back and examine the book?
Wolcott, well, I'm sorry, if Oswald was what?
Goldsmith.
At the time you went to look at the book, Oswald was already dead, is that correct?
Wolcott, that is right.
Why did you go back to look at the book?
And he says, well, the payments were especially So substations like Oswald's was operated.
It was a substation of the redacted station and they had one in redacted and they also had one in redacted and it may be six months or even a year after the initial allocation of the final accounting for those funds was submitted and they would operate out of revolving funds or other own personal funds in many cases.
Goldsmith.
So, is your testimony that even though Oswald was already dead at the time, the book may have contained a reference to either Oswald or the Oswald Project, and that reference would have been to a period six months or even a year earlier?
Is that correct?
Walcott, that is correct.
So basically this guy, like they're talking about Oswald getting paid in like the late 50s.
And this guy didn't check the book until after late 1963 when Oswald was killed.
And Goldsmith is just like, you do realize there's no way Oswald can be in this book from what you're telling me because it's too late.
And Wolcott's like, yeah, that makes sense.
So it's just like, what are we doing here?
And so there is some claim about notes by House Lead Committee staffers in the 1970s clearly show that Wolcott knew more than he was permitted to say.
Why?
Who could have kept him from talking at this point?
Including the fact that the Oswald Project was given the CIA acronym RX-ZIM.
Okay, the Oswald Project.
Not Oswald, but the Oswald Project.
So I will have to look into that later, but that sounds very interesting.
But, uh, and also at some point, uh, there was, uh, he talks to some people and they're just like, yeah, there was this case officer who said stuff.
And he's like, do you know the name of that case officer?
I don't remember.
Um, here we go.
Uh, did this case officer tell you what Oslo's cryptonym was?
He's like, yes.
He mentioned the cryptonym specifically under which the money was drawn.
And did he tell you what the cryptonym was?
I cannot remember.
Was your response to this revelation as to what Oswald's cryptonym was?
Did you write it down?
He's like, no, I think that I've looked through my advanced book, and I had the book where advances were on the project, and I leafed through them.
And I must have leafed through them to see if it was true.
So this guy told him Oswald's codename and he looked through a book for it and didn't recall seeing it or knowing it.
But this is such hard-hitting, rock-solid intelligence that Rob Reiner's running with it and promoting it in the book and just in this podcast.
It's just like, hey, Look here.
We got it.
We got the stone-cold, absolute rock-solid evidence.
This guy who said some case officer who he can't name gave him Oswald's cryptonym, which he cannot say and does not remember, unless you look at the secret messages.
And then it's RxZim, I guess.
But, um...
So yeah, sorry.
And also anything that discredits him as a CIA tactic, so.
Oh, and they also bring up, they're like, after this happened, his tires were slashed and he lost his job.
And I saw no evidence of any of this online, but it's just like random, random bad things happening to a person does not indicate government malfeasance.
This is so weird.
So after this stuff, Oswald, it defects to the CIA.
Reiner is adamant that this costs way too much money for Oswald.
Defects to the USSR.
Yeah, he defects to the USSR.
He said CIA.
That's good.
You're gonna pill Rob Moore.
He defected to the CIA.
I pilled him.
Thank you for calling me out on that.
He defects to the CIA and Rob Reiner's like, this would have cost so much money.
There's no way he could have afforded this.
But lots of researchers have looked at the fact that Oswald really didn't spend any of his money while he was in Japan.
And he very easily could have saved up to fund his trip to the Soviet Union.
This would not have been the case.
Saving money, something that Rob Reiner apparently has never heard of.
It's just like, it's a total conspiracy that he saved $1,000.
Yes.
And again, there's the total possibility that the CIA was, because they were like, how did he know which trains to take and what schedules to abide by to figure this out?
And again, if you go by the other side of this thing, this could have been the Japanese hostess who was a communist trying to help him level up in the communist game.
So, if you believe that side of it, there's many different ways Oswald could have defected without being a CIA plant.
This is where Soledad starts to kind of lose it, too.
She's like, what's going on here?
Like, she's now getting pilled in the podcast thematic.
Yes. And at this point, the two of them get so angry about stuff. Because there's this
real weird energy between Solid Ed and Rob where they're both just like, and now Lee Harvey
Oswald's getting fucked over because the media's calling him a communist murdering, president
murdering piece of shit, when he was really a brave CIA agent trying to infiltrate the Soviet Union.
The man was a goddamn hero, you bastards, you no good bastards.
You make Lee Harvey Oswald sound like a bad guy when he's a good guy, you prick.
Thanks.
And it's like, really?
Lee Harvey Oswald's the guy you're going to bat for?
We're never going to get into it on this podcast, I'm positive, but Lee Harvey Oswald, domestic abuser, very much beat his wife.
This is an indisputable fact.
Also, kind of a nut.
I mean, just not someone who was all there.
This was a bad person.
And we now have Rob Reiner and Soledad O'Brien being very upset that he got a bad name in the American press after he killed the president.
So it's like, oh my god, it's so strange.
It's so hard to wrap my head around.
So we have this happening, and then after he defects, they then bring up this fact that Oswald was a part of a gang of young people that were supposed to defect to the Soviet Union, and they were supposed to infiltrate it and give us eyes on the ground to learn what was going on.
Yet when they talk about Oswald and the stunts he was pulling, how he was going to the American Embassy and throwing his passport on the ground and saying, I reject it and I want to renounce my citizenship.
And the Americans were like, wow, this guy's pulling an act.
This guy's being a real weirdo and trying to get attention for himself.
Bro, what are you doing?
And that's what the CIA wants, is people who are drawing heat on themselves and are making it really obvious they're doing weird stunts.
And his stunt doesn't work because the Soviets kick him out.
After the Soviets go to kick him out is when he attempts to commit suicide and then the Soviets are like, well, since you tried to kill yourself and you're obviously mentally unstable, we'll let you stay for a little while.
And Rob...
He faked his suicide under orders from the CIA to infiltrate the Soviet Union and the whole mission is falling apart.
So he's got to make a bold move.
So he fakes his suicide attempt to make everything work.
And it's like, well, it could be that or again, he could just be a troubled nut who is very
sad that his plan to defect to the Soviet Union hasn't worked out and now he is trying
to do something dramatic to stay.
I don't know that your CIA boss is like, now, if they don't want you to stay and they kick you out, slash your wrist and see if that gets you to stay for a little while longer.
I mean, I don't know- They gotta hold you for at least 24 hours.
Yeah!
Buy yourself another day or two in the Soviet Union!
And the best part about all this is, so that happens, and then Oswald, like you mentioned, he gets a job where he makes a lot of money and he gets an apartment, and it's like...
Yeah, so he is this weird American and the Soviets are trying to put a good face on how the Soviet Union is to this American who's planning on defecting, but how does this further his operation as a CIA agent to be a lathe operator in Minsk?
Like, the CIA is like, break in to the Soviet Union and then after you do, Get a day job and just work at an office and make stuff.
It's like, okay, and then what do I do?
It's like, we don't know.
We're the CIA.
Do you think we have a plan?
Do you think we thought these things through or anything?
We don't know what we're talking about.
We're idiots.
I just love that.
They're just like, the CIA's master plan was for Oswald to be a lathe operator and then meet up with Marina Oswald.
And Rob brings up that Marina's family has KGB ties and that Oswald's under constant surveillance this whole time.
So if he's a CIA operative, he has failed.
He has 100% blown the assignment.
He has obtained no intelligence from the Soviet Union that'd be useful for America.
He's now a mark.
Yeah, yeah.
He's like, he's literally like being observed by the KGB is watching him to see if he's a bad guy.
I mean, like, and when we get to the Nagel episode, it's gonna be completely nuts.
I mean, but like, this whole thing is so dumb.
If this was a CIA operative, if he was a CIA operative, he was bad at his job, and he failed.
And So then he comes back to America with Marina and their child, and Reiner's just like, this is so suspicious.
Like, this is so goddamn weird.
What happened here?
And again, this is one of those things where it's like, If this guy was everything that Rob's telling us he was, why would the government have him kill the president when we would dig into his life and see all this weird shit?
Again, you have MKUltra!
You just brainwashed some kid to join the KKK and then you have him whack Kennedy.
No muss, no fuss.
It's done.
We're all okay with it.
We're all okay with Billy Bob Jackson being the president's azzazm.
And yet, instead, we have this...
Bizarre web of intrigue where Oswald goes to the Soviet Union, doesn't do anything relevant except for coming into contact with KGB agents who monitor him and make sure he's not doing anything bad.
And then after all that stuff, we just have him come back to America.
And that's really suspicious.
It's just... Well, she wasn't held up at immigration, so...
Right.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Why wasn't Marina Oswald harassed at immigration?
What was that all about?
It's like, who knows?
Who knows why any of these things happen?
I mean, it's it's just one of those things where you in hindsight, everything looks bad.
In hindsight, everything is shitty.
And like, when you actually I mean, it's just so frustrating.
It's just so frustrating when you think about all the things that did happen involving the Kennedy assassination that could have broke another way.
And then what happened wouldn't have happened.
And it's just that kind of just it breaks your brain.
It makes you so mad and upset because It's just something where all of these kinds of one-off little events just shake out slightly differently, and everything changes.
And I really think that's a lot of the reasons why people like for there to be a massive conspiracy to kill Kennedy, because then you don't have to think about how much bad luck and chaos was involved in this.
You can just sort of be like, damn, they killed the president, and that sucks, and what are you going to do about it?
So yeah.
And we've almost hit the one hour mark.
So this means it's time for us to take an ad break so we can get our Dutch Kroners!
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And so beyond all of that, I think that the main body of the episode was kind of engaged with.
What other madness did this episode inflict upon you?
Um, well, one thing, I don't know if they'll bring it up or not in a future episode, you've listened ahead, maybe they did, but when I was looking, um, into that, that Posner guy, um, he wrote a, uh, like, he also wrote a, uh, in his book about how Oswald had been linked to another assassination.
Um, the assassination of a ultra right-wing army general named Edwin Walker.
Oh, yeah, they're never gonna bring up Edwin Walker in this podcast.
That is not fucking happening.
I mean, I'm just saying, like, I can't imagine that they would, because it makes Oswald look really bad.
And this is a podcast aggressively all about whitewashing Lee Harvey Oswald.
I mean, he's a CIA hero in this podcast.
I mean, like, literally, we got Soledad and Rob Reiner being so mad about the fact that, like, then after Ruby killed him, they painted him as a communist monster sympathizer who hated America and freedom and apple pie and those rotten, no-good so-and-sos.
I can't believe they did that to our poor boy Lee.
Uh, so the Edwin Walker assassination attempt, I really can't imagine is going to get a lot of press in this.
I, I do wonder how they're going to handle J.D.
Tippett.
I mean, I know that they've brought up that Tippett was murdered, but like, just, this is the thing is that Oswald just does so much shit throughout his life that You're just constantly making excuses for him.
You're just constantly finding new ways to defend and justify him.
And it's like a person in a shitty relationship where their partner just won't get a job, isn't paying the rent.
is is not like like didn't buy pet food for their pets and like that you're like our dog is starving honey oh sorry i was playing call of duty all day i forgot to go out and get the dog food like like like it's just weird abusive relationship that conspiracy nuts have with Lee Harvey Oswald where They have to be like, no, you don't understand.
Lee was a good man.
He just got, he was just a patsy.
They framed him up.
And it's like, no, he was a terrible person.
And even if what you're saying is true, and that they jammed him up on the Kennedy assassination, we have ample evidence that this guy sucked beyond that.
And you don't have to sugarcoat it.
You don't have to apologize and defend the man.
It's silly that you're doing this.
It's very silly.
Yeah, and I wonder if people like Soledad O'Brien and Rob Reiner, who probably don't like it when people spread false flag conspiracies, I wonder if they realize the trajectory that this has helped seed that narrative with.
Like it's just a false flag shit.
It's just false flag shit.
But that's, that's the thing that's so like, uh, I, uh, if he's listening, I apologize, Groucho's ghost.
But like, I had a guy that was like one of my, like one of my first followers on Twitter basically.
And he was very much anti QAnon, but, but he was very much pro the CIA killed Kennedy and he was A bit 9-11-pilled also.
That guy was like really riding that conspiracy theory line pretty, uh, like not great.
And, um, so, uh, what was I gonna say?
So like basically, um, That guy, he would get into these arguments with people about this kind of stuff, and he would never put the two and two together.
The Kennedy assassination being a conspiracy theory, you could not get more bang for your buck if you were a disinformation campaign or a foreign nation.
I mean, if Russia funded the campaign to claim the CIA killed Kennedy, I mean, boom.
My god, what success.
Robin Soledad even talked about it in the early episodes where they were like, back in these days people trusted the American government and thought it was a good thing.
Now we all know the American government sucks and it's a bunch of assholes and they murdered the president.
And it's like, man, if you were the Soviet Union, you were like, how do we foment distrust between the American people and their government?
It's like, I don't know, tell them that their government killed their young, charismatic, handsome president, takes his beautiful wife in his blood, made his little kids, like, not have a dad anymore.
I mean, like, To me, it's like, holy smokes, like, there's no better way to do that kind of damage than turn the Kennedy assassination into a massive conspiracy theory.
And you have like Rob Reiner, I posted a tweet where Rob Reiner's like, we either vote for democracy and freedom in America and Joe Biden, or we fall into despotism with Trump.
And it's just like, you just have Rob Reiner and Soledad O'Brien, the most aggressively normie Democrats you could possibly imagine, they're literally going to either mail in their ballots or on election day they're going to be on social media with their I Voted sticker.
being like, boom, four more years for Biden.
Let's do this.
And then they're going to go in the studio and like film like their two part
episode about how Jack Ruby was put up to murdering Oswald by the Cubans and
the mob and stuff.
And it's like, how?
How?
How can you not see this?
It's just like... But that was the Groucho Ghost thing, was my conspiracy theories are true, QAnon is nuts.
It's just that.
It's just that my conspiracy theories are right.
And that was a thing that really...
Obviously, I'm neck deep in this shit.
Obviously, I know this shit way too much.
And there was just a part of me at one point that was just sort of like, you know, if I'm really going to be someone that is debunking QAnon and looking at this stuff objectively and working through all this kind of stuff, It's really hard for me to do that and then turn around and say, oh yeah, also the government whacked Kennedy.
Like, I should probably actually look at the body of evidence here and be like, yeah, it was Oswald.
That seems reasonable.
And again, like, Show me.
Show me the Hillary face carving video.
Show me evidence that someone fired from the Grazi Nol.
Pill me.
This is all I've ever asked for, forever, is pill me.
Just show me the truth.
Show me the great truth.
He wants to be pilled.
I want to be pilled!
I want to be pilled!
But no one's been able to do it, and it makes me sad.
I have to live in boring reality instead of the fantasy LARP land that these people are in.
Which sounds way more exciting than the world I'm living in.
So yeah, it's just, it's just that.
It's just like that kind of thing.
So yeah, so that was this episode.
Also, a shout out to Doug Hoffman, if you're still listening, because you are a writer-producer on the Who Killed Kennedy podcast, and you are now following me on Twitter, which made me laugh a lot, because we have someone who's actually a part of that show that is—no, David Hoffman.
Sorry, you're not Doug, you're David.
David Hoffman.
You are the guy on Twitter who is following me now, and if you're listening to this, I feel terrible for you that you are promoting this kind of nonsense propaganda, and I hope that Rob is hoodwinking you and that you're not going along with this because you know that Rob's lying and that you're just promoting the same shit that he's promoting.
Like, when I say that Rob's lying, it's mostly about stuff like the House Committee on Assassinations and stuff like that.
It's just, he knows better.
He knows what he's saying and he knows it's not true.
What's really funny is I saw a, like Solid Ed had a text clip of Episode 7, which I haven't listened to yet, or it was Episode 8.
I haven't listened to 7 or 8 yet.
But the text clip was Rob Reiner saying, Now this bag that Oswald brought with him to work on the day of the assassination is a fascination to many researchers.
And I was like, a fascination?
This is the bag that may have held the murder weapon that killed the president.
We call that evidence.
Some people have an odd curiosity about one of the most important pieces of evidence in the entire assassination.
I don't know why you would waste your time on this meaningless little bag that Oswald brought to work with him that day.
It's like, Rob, what piece of evidence could be more important than that?
Like, I've said this, I don't know if I've said this on the pod, but I've said this in like some, like I've written it or I've said it.
Like, Oswald literally, if he didn't know what was coming, he's won the negative lottery, like all the shit that happened.
Cause it's just like, he breaks his routine and goes to the house where the gun is the day before the motorcade, weirdly, when usually he would go to the house on Friday and not Thursday.
And then on his way into work that day, he drops a package in the backseat of the car of the guy who's driving him to work.
And then he takes that package into work and his buddy sees him do it.
And it's just like, if Oswald walks into work empty-handed that day, you can't frame him.
You can't frame him for the murder.
How did he get the gun in the building if he didn't have anything on him?
Yet, just again, Lee Harvey Oswald, unluckiest man in the world, just happened to walk into work that day carrying a gun-shaped package.
So strange!
So yeah, so...
That's Episode 4.
Episode 5 will be- it's basically Oswald's life in America after he returns.
And it's- We gotta wear the shirt again.
Yes, more shirt.
Yeah, again, I don't remember if- Because I don't know if I'm two episodes behind in real time because I'm not listening ahead anymore because episode six broke my brain so aggressively.
I just sort of wanted to stop there as a hard line of demarcation.
And also it's going to make it easier for me to binge the rest of the episodes after they're done.
Because...
I like to listen to them once without taking notes, so I can just sort of get my anger out of my system.
Just absorb it.
Just absorb it.
Let Rob's bullshit wash over me.
And then after I absorb it, then like a week or two later, I can then listen again and do the note-taking process.
Cause I kind of know the notes I'm going to take, but you've really clued me into the whole dig into names thing, which my dumb brain wasn't capable of figuring out before.
So now when I just hear all the names, Rob is just throwing like spaghetti at a wall.
I better write all this shit down.
Cause Jesus Christ, Rob, Rob's rogues gallery is massive and terrifying.
It's just not great.
So yeah.
So yeah, episode five is raw is, um, Oh, so this is one thing you have to look forward to in Episode 5.
And when you hear it, do not be driving.
Be seated.
They do a bit in Episode 5 that is so ridiculous, and it's so obviously scripted, where Solid Head's like, no, Rob!
I got a question for you.
And she asks him about this thing that he loves to talk about.
And Rob's like, okay, Soledad.
And then gives her this speech.
And it's just so cheesy.
It's so forced.
It's super brutal.
And that bit is incredibly dumb.
The entire premise of Episode 5 is incredibly dumb.
Literally, it's just, they gotta set Oswald up to frame him for the assassination.
And this is how they did it.
And it's like, buddy.
Like, they already had so much to nail him with anyways.
Like, this is ludicrous what you're saying.
It's not even anywhere close to reality.
Oh my god.
So yeah.
So yeah, episode 5 is gonna be hilarious.
And then episode 6.
Pack a lunch, folks.
Might be 7 hours for episode 6.
But episode 5 will get done next week.
And then...
And then we'll be there.
We will do the Richard Case Nagle mega-episode, because Rosset wrote the book about this guy, and Reiner's all pilled on this guy, too.
So, boy howdy.
Foundation built upon sand when it comes to this clown and what he's about.
So yeah, so hopefully you'll enjoy all that.
Hopefully you'll enjoy Episode 5.
Hopefully you enjoyed this episode.
Hopefully you enjoy everything.
Happy New Year and all that good stuff.
Happy New Year.
Happy New Year.
And we'll talk to you all in 2024 about how Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
