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May 22, 2023 - Adventures in HellwQrld
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Hell World Presents: Watching The Right Wing in Arizona with Arizona Right Wing Watch

Mike interviews Haley about her uncovering a Neo-Nazi fanboy of Nick Fuentes being a staffer for Paul Gosar. Arizona's Republicans are awful and bad. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Thank you.
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♪♪ Hello everybody! I'm...
I am Mike Grains, a.k.a.
Poker and Politics, and welcome to what might be the inaugural episode of Watching Arizona with Arizona Right Wing Watch.
I am here with Haley, a.k.a.
Arizona Right Wing Watch.
Sup.
Sup.
Her powerful intro, just letting you know she's here.
She's ready to, like, do stuff and talk and podcast scintillatingly.
It's thrilling, truly the greatest of all things.
Oh, I'm doing okay.
As I told you before we started recording, I was driving to ye olde ice cream shoppe near my house, and there were Trumper QAnon people waving signs and flags on the road to the dairy, which was very exciting.
Their flags were kind of generic Trump 2024 stuff, but One of them had a sign that said, people need to start getting arrested suddenly.
Another one had like a caricature of Fauci that was kind of demonic.
And, uh, and then the final sign was, uh, stop the new world order.
I, yeah, unfortunately I was caught in the flow of traffic where I had to go at a speed that was a little too fast for my liking, but I did shout to them, where we go one, we go all!
Oh, you made their day.
I was, I didn't get a very good reaction because I was just going so fast.
I couldn't tell if they heard me and so, cause everyone else
was just giving them the honk.
Everyone else was just like, the people that were just letting
them know they were loved them.
But I was like, the honk is so impersonal.
I want to let them know I'm a fellow traveler.
So I tried to hit him with the WWG1 WGA and I don't know that it resonated.
And I was like, damn it, I was going like 35.
If I'd been able to slow down to a much more comfortable like 22 or even a JFK-esque 11 miles an hour, it would have been so much more impactful.
So, um, If one of them heard you, though, you really.
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, my God.
I was I was so tempted to just pull into the parking lot of the of the supermarket and just walk up to them and just just go go go undercover.
Just just hit him with the Frank the Turtle, a.k.a.
Amanda.
She'd be like, hey, where we go one, we go all!
What about that COVID death jab?
Am I right, bros?
Like, just give them the whole, how do you do, fellow students, undercover operation.
And since I've only... One guy docs me on Truth Social, so...
And no one really seemed to care.
The best part about that was the guy who doxed me, someone doxed him back.
And then he was like, I'm not trying to hide who I am.
Why don't you come and meet me?
And then you'll beg for your life before I don't kill you.
And it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, bro.
Dial it back just a touch.
Like, oh, my God.
You don't need to just go straight to murder if someone were to walk up to your house.
Like, hey, are you that guy on Truth Social?
Seems a bit extreme, but hey, I mean, today, that was the other thing that happened today that was really exciting was, my God, was QAnon on a murderous jag today.
Like every, every post I saw on Truth or Twitter was just, when are we going to kill all the liberals?
Come on.
Fucking let's do it.
We need to start killing.
And I was like, holy shit.
Like it was just, Man, we're just, we're just going to mask off today.
We're just, none of this fucking, oh, we just want to see where the evidence takes us.
Nope.
Just kill people.
We shouldn't kill people.
So, uh, I'm talking way too much because you are the bell of the ball.
You are the woman, you are the woman of the hour, the tower of power, too sweet to be sour.
All of these things.
Uh, rest in peace, superstar Billy Graham.
Um, And Hayley is now waving like the Queen, for those of you who need the theater of the mind to know what's going on.
But the big news that we had here is that Hayley, along with some other researchers, got some work published in Talking Points Memo about Paul Gosert being tied to Nick Fuentes because one of his staffers is a Kruiper, aka a neo-Nazi.
So the floor is yours.
What is this all about?
Um, I feel like this is kind of complicated for some audiences, uh, cause you have to kind of like explain online culture, but this is like the perfect podcast for this, you know?
Um, so anyway, uh, Paul Gosar's, uh, intern turned digital director is like a pretty dedicated, uh, follower to Nick Fuentes to the point where, Um, like Fuentes calls him like a loyal, you know, one of the strongest soldiers in his movement.
Yeah.
And if people don't really know the kind of like America first griper Nick Fuentes universe, it's kind of got like this strict hierarchy.
Like Nick Fuentes is like this, like kind of like a, like a white supremacist, uh, like kind of like a cult leader, you know, he makes his followers take a loyalty pledge that they'll rape, kill and die for him.
Um, is that explicit rape, killing and dying?
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he also says like, you know, like pledged fealty to the white race and Nick Fuentes and God, you know, and you raise your right hand and in the, you know, so I don't know.
That's kind of culty.
What's your opinion on that one?
I did not know about the rape oath that Nick Fuentes required of his people.
I was more going to just give you the sign being like, hey, let's break down Nick Fuentes for those who might not know.
Oh yeah.
As Elle loves to say, Stan Lee always says, every comic might be somebody's first comic.
So let's go into the white nationalist cinematic universe and explain the character of Nick Fuentes.
Yeah, um, so he is, he's like a, uh, he kind of first made his, uh, appearance at Charlottesville in, um, uh, uh, you know, the Charlottesville unite rally.
Yeah.
Um, he was like 18, uh, when that happened.
Um, and he got kicked out of.
The university he was attending after that.
And ever since then, he's kind of just made like a little movement around himself.
He streams.
It's also part of like kind of streaming culture.
You know, he's a streamer on his own platform.
And isn't that like in his basement that his parents paid for his studio?
Yeah.
Um, and so, and then, so it's like this like half streaming like move, like just kind of like influencer culture, but also like this actual political movement, like a white supremacist movement.
Um, and like, obviously Nick Fuentes was pretty prominent at Stop the Steal and then January 6th.
Um, So anyway, he's kind of like a political influencer, but like a white supremacist political influencer.
Yes.
He's openly anti-semitic.
He hates Jewish people and like denies the Holocaust and makes jokes about the Holocaust.
He basically hates everyone.
He also kind of identifies with the incel movement.
He calls himself openly an incel, which is a pretty dangerous ideology to pander to.
He kind of just panders to like angry white, mostly white males, like zoomers, like zoomer
males.
And then they're called like the movement around him is called the gripers.
They're usually identified with like this fat little distorted frog of like a distorted
Pepe.
Right.
It's a very fat Pepe that is their sort of sigil in this movement, whereas QAnon has regular Svelte Pepe.
The Griper is a fat frog that is their avatar.
Yeah, it's kind of like smugly looking and it's chubby, you know?
Yeah.
Nick is the head of the Groyper movement, and where does the Groyper movement fit into the white nationalist slash alt-right in those communities?
How do they interact with the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and all those other fascist or fascist-adjacent movements?
Great question.
This is why I like you, Mike.
But yeah, so the gripers are mostly, again, like young men, you know, around Nick's age.
He's like not even 30 yet.
And like some of them, so Nick's obviously at the top and then some of them also stream like Nick.
They kind of just settle for like being streamers and gamers like Baked Alaska.
Some people probably have heard of him.
He's a griper.
He attends the Nick Fuentes conferences.
He is also pretty openly anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi.
But then, like, there's a segment of gripers that do try to embed themselves into politics and they kind of do this, like, cleaned up neo-nazism.
Like, they know that swastikas and, um, you know, explicit, like, sonnenrads and shit is, like, too neo-nazi.
Like, that's too obvious.
Like, even the most idiot Like political understander would be like, well, that's a neo-Nazi.
But like, he just puts on a suit and ignores the swastika part.
And like, that's enough for people to be like, oh, well, he's not a Nazi.
Where's the swastika?
And like, they even have slurs, like in the movement for neo-Nazis that do like rock the swastika and shit.
Like, you know?
What are those slurs?
I don't want to repeat it because it is, like, it is, like, offensive.
It's, like, white N-word nationalists, if you get if you get my meaning.
Yeah.
So it's, like, they're basically, like, ghetto.
They, like, they consider them, like, ghetto white nationalists, you know, like, you're trashy, you're rocking the swastika.
You're giving away the game.
That's bad for our image.
We need to be a more clean-cut variation.
Once we win, we can start putting the swastikas on, but we haven't won yet.
So until we can influence and tear down the system and re-establish a white nationalist system, We got to pretend that we're not doing that stuff.
So don't give away the game, bro.
Exactly.
And like Nick openly like praises Hitler and like literally again, like denies the Holocaust and like hates Jewish people.
And like, that's just the tip of the iceberg of that dude's hatred.
And it's like, that's not enough to convince people of his politics.
Cause it's like, yeah, he doesn't rock the swastika.
Like he understands that they say optics a lot in the movement.
In the, in the griper movement, they use the word optics a lot.
Cause like, yeah, they're aware that like, they cannot get into a lot of political events or like, you know, cozy up with Paul Gosar if they have like a swastika armband.
Yeah.
Yeah, bro, we're just not wearing it for optics.
We totally believe it in our hearts, but we got to play it cool.
Optics is a term QAnon loves about the, oh, the normies can't handle the hard truth.
This is all for optics.
That's why Trump isn't talking about throwing Hillary in jail right now.
It's optics.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But in the case of the Greupers, their actual optics are just don't show anybody what we really believe, or as we like to use in this field of work, Don't show anyone your power level.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't let them know.
Just keep that under wraps.
Don't let them put their little Dragon Ball Z scouter on you and be like, Oh my God, he's over 9,000 neo-Nazi.
Ah.
Yep.
So, so you have Nick at the head of this alt-right white nationalist movement, making people vow that they'll rape for him.
So who is this lieutenant who is embedded in the Gosar staff?
Um, so his name is Wade, uh, Searle.
Uh, he lives in Arizona, uh, in Gosar's district.
Um, and it seems like he kind of started more as just like a fan boy.
Like he was a common, uh, super chatter and donating into his, uh, streams.
Um, he took the pledge.
Right.
He put the little hand emoji up.
Um, and, uh, he moderate it, but then he like, uh, yeah, he moderates for Nick Fuentes is, uh, stream, which I feel like is kind of a, a little bit of a, you know, he's a little bit, he's a little bit up there.
Um, but some of the, uh, Like research that we did included leaked chats, um, from a Griper that defected from the movement.
Um, and he showed like internal chats of only like, kind of like the top Griper influencers and Wade was in that chat room.
So like he's up there.
In the Groyper hierarchy.
And a lot of Groypers seemed to be kind of aware of Wade running the Gosar account, or at least having some involvement with the Gosar social media.
Because they were really interactive with the Gosar accounts and kind of like...
I mean, the internal chat showed that they were aware that Searly had, like, access to the accounts.
And, um, you know how, like, Nick Fuentes holds, like, a yearly conference, the AFPAC, his America First Conference?
Right.
um because it's a it was a big deal that Gosar appeared um at the second one and then he appeared on video the second year in a row the second year it happened or the second year he appeared at the third af pack and like he claims that he didn't send that video in and it's likely because like Yeah, this kid sent it to Nick personally, you know?
Right, right.
Like, because it had nothing to do with the conference.
It's, uh, it was just like a random video of Gosar's that didn't like address the conference or Nick or anything.
It was just like a video that was like sent in.
Um, cause Wade- Yeah, here's Paul Gosar just hanging out at his house!
Hey, everyone's happy!
Way to go, neo-Nazis representative!
But Wade had also helped to organize Nick Fuentes' stream with Sneeko, if literally anybody knows who that is.
He was part of the Kanye campaign a little bit, and he's this Like kind of Manosphere influencer.
He's kind of like a big deal if you know.
He's in the Andrew Tate sphere of things.
Yeah.
He's a rather weirdo like Tate.
I have heard of Sneeko and I've seen like the weird arguments people have had with Sneeko about like fascism and stuff like that where It almost, I mean, anything I've seen of Sneako almost feels like it's a bit.
It almost feels so on the nose.
You're just like, this guy, this guy's having a laugh, bruv.
I mean, there's, but, but apparently, I mean, it's, you're waiting for him to break character and he never does.
And then at some point you're just like, oh, he's just this.
That's horrifying.
So.
So he seems like in the movement, you know, cause it's like he was.
Right.
And, and Nick had, there was instances where Nick had like personally in the stream, like talk to him, you know, like in chat, like his, his, uh, online alias was like chicken or chicken, right.
Or right wing chicken wing.
Um, so you, he would like commonly like, or like occasionally talk to chicken in the chats.
Like they like knew each other, you know, there was plenty of proof that they're like, Associated.
Aware of one another.
Yeah, so exactly like so Gosert just hired this guy.
Is there any like backstory to how he got into Gosert's office beyond just he applied for a job and Gosert was like, I like the cut of your jib, son.
Yeah.
I was also kind of wondering about that too, because one of the chicken accounts, the, one of the Twitters was, had like two admins on it.
And one of them was named Landon and that's Landon Peterson, who is Gosar's new intern.
So like, it kind of seems like there's a trail of maybe Groypers that have been entering the Gosar.
Um, you know, office, uh, after I, after the article came out, I noticed some guy commenting on the Talking Points memo story saying like, Patriot J did it first.
And it was like this, uh, like, yeah, Griper that was a intern briefly at Gosar's office.
So there's been others, you know, like, and, and, Um, in like the chats that we read, like, uh, Wade Searly was pretty open that there had been other gripers in Gosar's office before, you know, it's just like swamped with them or like other types of white nationalists.
Yeah.
I mean, Gosard has not been shy about being on this, uh, accepting of like white nationalists and being like, okay with
supporting this, these kinds of movements.
Again, showing up at half back at all is pretty like damning on that front. So exactly
why exactly is it that Republicans in Arizona are tolerant of GOSERT doing this?
Is it just like par for the course that if you're in a super blood red district, you can just kind of get away with murder being like a scumbag like this?
Or like, what is it in your local politics that makes this kind of thing not something that gets you a primary challenger from some corporate empty suit Republican who just wants to MAGA Arizona or whatever?
Um, I don't know.
Like he is popular, you know, like how Wendy Rogers is popular, even though she's like a vile human being.
Like, uh, they'll occasionally speak out against Wendy Rogers, but never, and Paul Gosar at the national level sometimes, but not like distance themselves from him or like take any action to actually like remove either of them from office.
Right.
Yeah, go ahead.
No, because Madison Cawthorne stepped wrong, and suddenly the next thing you know, we've got all these videos implicating him as being gay or a cross-dresser or whatever, and they sandbagged him, and it's just like, no one takes a shot at Gossart, and that's really bizarre, because he's obviously incredibly toxic, and I just don't understand why, when you have somebody who is Eminently replaceable because it's not like you're like, Oh no, that Republican plus 30 district.
How will he ever find somebody to win it for us?
Yet the Republicans in Arizona and apparently nationally are like, yeah, whatever.
But it goes through to have that seat until he drops dead, which could be any day now.
Are the, I mean, is there any, Is his health improving?
Because, I mean, every video I see of him is not good.
And I've, like, there have been the allegations of the rumors, of the conditions, of the things that he's suffering from, but no one seems to be doing anything.
Like, no one's talking about him the way they talk about Dianne Feinstein.
No one's just like, oh man, I can't believe Gostert's being kept around.
But because reasons, I guess, but what is his everything about him is so bizarre to me.
Yeah, and I think like the acceptance of like the white nationalism
in the party is just kind of like.
I think we're just at that point, like once upon a time, like it seems kind of goofy that Steve King, you know, was
like.
A blacklisted from the party.
Uh, because it's like I don't see his politics any different than Gose's.
And it's kind of like how Trump wouldn't like.
you Distance himself from the Charlottesville Nazis.
It's just like, well, that's kind of my base, so I'm not gonna say anything.
You know, like very fine people on both sides.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of people's politics are so.
Like kind of.
Bad.
They're like, what's the problem with being a white nationalist?
Like, you know, like, I don't know.
I think it would just alienate a lot of their base and they know it, maybe.
And a lot of people just believe what Gosser believes, I'd imagine.
Yeah, they had Tommy Tupperville talking about, you call them white nationalists, I call them Americans!
And then people were like, whoa, whoa, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy.
Come here, come here, Tommy.
Back a little, just a little.
20% off the top.
We're not asking for a lot.
Just a little, just a little trim.
Also, Marjorie Taylor Greene's comments today about how calling her a white supremacist is the same as calling a black person the n-word.
Yes.
Like.
Yeah.
We're in a good place.
Oh, absolutely.
We are absolutely in the best of places.
So exactly how did the, like, sort of meeting of the minds happen where you got in touch with Talking Points Memo and the other researchers, and two and two together, two and two became four, and this article got written and published?
Like, what was the process around all of that?
Do you know Nick Martin?
Yes, yes.
Oh, Sarah Hightower and Nick Martin's like on again off again toward romances.
Now she's with Tony Schiavone.
So Nick's been sidelined.
But yeah, I know of Nick Martin.
Yeah.
So Nick and I have been kind of digging into this for a while.
But he's got long COVID.
So it's been really hard for him to write anything.
We were gonna write it through his informant newsletter Yeah, cuz he's long covered like the Gripers and Gosar and Nazis and white supremacy in America He used to even report in Arizona So Nick is great everybody loves Nick But So we've been working on this for a while, but obviously couldn't write anything because he's been so sick.
And honestly, I thought more people would catch on sooner because I thought it was so fucking obvious.
Nick and I figured it out back when... So the Gripers kind of broke up.
Some of the Gripers broke up.
There was a schism.
There was a great Griper schism.
And, uh, when that happened, some defectors from the, like, Nick's little cult, um, snitched and said Wade Searly is chicken, who is Paul Gosar's, at the time, intern.
Um, And Nick and I immediately found the Ledgestorm info on Searly and started digging on the chicken name and then just kind of like was able to find a lot in the Wayback Machine.
Which is owned by Taylor Arendt's uncle and thusly is now being used.
I heard.
Yes, yes.
I'm stepping on material for next week's podcast, just so you know.
So yeah, you used the Wayback Machine and now you are, as the Anons would say, you're digging.
Oh, I'm digging.
You're doing your own research.
Yeah, we're doing our own research, you know, nothing can stop what's coming.
And so some of his accounts were like, like one of his Twitter was deleted.
A lot of gripers have been banned off of Twitter.
Not anymore, but they were.
So his Twitter account and then he he like deleted some accounts because he was pretty openly Like posting images of his face and like at the Arizona Stop the Steal Rally with like Nick Fuentes and Baked Alaska and Vincent James Fox and Jaden McNeil who are all like people within the griper movement.
Um, and at Arizona, stop the steal.
He even stood behind Nick holding up the America first flag behind Fuentes.
Yeah.
Um, and he posted all those photos and like videos and, uh, his banner across like all his social media was the photo of him standing behind Nick with the flag.
It was just like, so obviously him and his bio said Wade, uh, He clearly tried to do more like instead of the political griper, he was trying to be the streamer griper and was like trying to do streaming at the big getting of like when, before he got into politics.
Um, so he was on like videos with other gripers doing like debates.
Um, he just wasn't like shy about like publicly running these accounts.
It was just that they were wiped.
So there was nothing really.
Tying him publicly, like to the, you know, normal people.
Right, right, right.
You had to dig.
So you, you dug and you got the sauce again, as these people would say.
And so eventually, so Nick had an in with Talking Points Memo or whoever to get this published.
How did that work out?
Uh, yeah.
So Hunter Walker, who actually wrote the piece, um, he also had a suspicion.
I knew that Gosar was not like shit posting America first memes on his own.
Like he had like really up to date, like meme references.
Like there's no way this guy's like that online.
Like, holy shit.
You know?
Right.
It's like, it's like Scavino and the QAnon shit with Trump.
Exactly!
That's exactly why I knew you would understand this, is exactly.
So I was like, dude, there's got to be like a griper running this account and Hunter Walker also assumed the same thing and just was literally he was just looking at like through his the list of people working for Gosar and When he looked up Wade, he similarly found, like, forums of, again, like, people who defected from the Nick Fuentes movement.
They're not, like, reformed.
They're just different kind of Nazis now.
Right.
They're Nazis who want to have sex and not have Nick Fuentes running around with a blacklight checking to see if they had sex or not.
That is literally, you're so real for that.
That is exactly true.
Um, so yeah, he found like a bunch of griper snitching also, and like, just reached out to Nick, like you've covered this movement a lot.
Have you noticed anything like this?
and Nick's like, let's do this.
So I'm glad that you guys were able to give the gripers and Paul Gosert a black eye because Fuck them, they're scum, they all deserve this very richly.
So, beyond this now obvious tie between white nationalists and a sitting Republican congressperson, beyond all that, is there any other kind of thing in the ghost art sphere that people need to know about when it comes to this whole ordeal?
Well, Okay, so like the story came out and a lot of people were like...
Oh yeah, no shit.
Gosar has some type of Nazi on his staff.
He's posted weird things in the past, you know?
And, like, kind of the point of the article was to direct attention to the fact that this kid, this, uh, this Wade Searly is, um, his digital director and like made griper edits and memes
before he worked for Gosar and then got hired literally the day after he was censured for the AOC
attack on Titan meme and is likely the person that is making a lot of these
posts so it's kind of like significant that Gosar has lended his social media accounts
to this like white nationalist activist who is signaling to his white nationalist movement through
his account.
And so far, as far as I can tell, Gosar does not give a shit, you know?
Has been refusing requests for comment.
He literally told a reporter yesterday to like take a hike that asked him.
Yeah.
Um, and I'm pretty sure Searley will keep his job because Gosar is fine with propping up this movement.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, the Republican party, everyone, uh, not throwing, uh, our boy Santos out of office.
Just totally cool with Paul Gosar and plant farming neo-Nazis.
It's great.
It's all wonderful and lovely.
So I think that about puts a bow on this whole ordeal.
Any other last questions, comments or thoughts about, I don't know, the world in general and all that good stuff?
No.
Cool.
Great.
So with that thrilling conclusion, this week, perhaps again, the debuting podcast of Watching Arizona with Arizona Right Wing Watch.
I am Mike Rains, hanging out with Haley.
If you enjoy this nonsense, please give us a review on the Twitter-trons or the, I don't know, the algorithm, whatever.
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You guys, we rely on you, you know?
Yes, yes.
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