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Oct. 30, 2021 - Adventures in HellwQrld

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Interview with Amanda AKA Frank The Turtle

Mike Rains interviews Amanda AKA Frank The Turtle about being undercover in MAGA/QAnon world for a year. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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	♪ Music Playing ♪ Content Warning
	The Adventures in Hellworld Podcast talks in depth about QAnon, which means we have to talk about all kinds of child abuse
	and violence against people.
	Listener discretion advised.
	Hello everybody, I am Mike Rains, aka PokerPolitics.
	I am here today with a special interview.
	I am joined by a recently banned from Twitter, I don't know what you'd say, investigator, someone who's done underground research on, undercover research on MAGA and QAnon, Amanda, aka FrankTheTurtle.
	So thank you so much for joining me here.
	Thanks for having me.
	This is so exciting.
	I am always gobsmacked when people find it exciting to talk to me.
	So how did this all start?
	How did you start getting into being an undercover investigator into this world, as it were?
	So I've always tracked QAnon and the far right and Trump.
	I went to Trump rallies to protest or to just observe.
	I've accidentally walked into the Laura Loomer side of a Laura Loomer Rally slash Laura Loomer counter rally.
	Like I just walked on in and no one stopped me.
	And I've always kind of taken a lot of video and recorded.
	And I used to write, so I'd write up stuff about some things.
	So I had that background.
	And then when COVID happened, my business was not allowed to operate.
	And I was given very little money on unemployment.
	So I ended up losing my home when we lost the federal add on in like September or whatever.
	And which meant I was, you know, free up of like $1,500 a month, which was rent.
	So when we got, you know, the $2,000 checks, and we got all of this stuff, I decided I would put it to use by beginning to go to rallies.
	And just kind of spy on people, I guess.
	My intention was just to go to things and like casually record, not to really be undercover.
	But you don't really have a choice at these things because you wear a mask or you don't, like you're pressed or you're not.
	So, you know, people kind of would just talk to me a lot and see me at multiple events, and it kind of just spiraled from there.
	So not wearing a mask was your basic, like, that was like your undercover uniform was being like a sort of, I ain't afraid of this COVID, it's all folks, and the 5G rays are causing it, and burgle oracle.
	So people were just very comfortable with you because you were mask free, and thusly you were one of us, as it were, to the MAGA QAnon people.
	Yeah, well, I mean, I look like one of them, right?
	And I also, in my personal life, happen to dress in a way that looks very Republican-esque.
	So for the November Stop the Steal Rally, I wore a mask.
	And then December, I was like, this isn't safe.
	I can't do this anymore.
	So I took the mask off and just went normal, normal-faced.
	Um, and that pretty much sealed the deal.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's, you don't even like, I would say it wasn't until about May that you would see reporters without masks on.
	So that's all it took.
	So being massless and also having a beautiful white skin was just this perfect like entry point into their world.
	So what was it?
	Who was like the first like what we would call a quote-unquote big name that you ran into that you were able to get access to and have a conversation with?
	So I did the Stop the Seal rallies, which obviously the third one ended up being like the insurrection.
	And that was where I decided to go to CPAC.
	And I got a ticket to CPAC and I also went to a fundraiser at CPAC.
	A private fundraiser for Marjorie Taylor Greene, Paul Gosar, and Laura Loomer.
	So that was my first, like, I'm like two feet from, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene or Gosar, whoever.
	So it took a couple months of that.
	Yeah.
	So that seems, I mean, that is really interesting because I didn't know that, was Ghost Art, Taylor Greene, and Loomer all like together?
	Were they on the stage at the same time or any of that kind of stuff?
	So it was a group called Republicans for National Renewal.
	It was their fundraiser.
	So it wasn't like an FEC fundraiser, right?
	It was, you know, an open bar, like hear some speeches kind of situation at the Rosen Hotel across the street from CPAC.
	So it was pretty small.
	Yeah, that's really interesting to me, because like, Loomer is such an aggressive Islamophobe, and just kind of an all-around terrible person, that like, even Gosart and Marjorie, I mean, on the gradient scale of terrible people, they're like a 9.6 or a 9.7, but Loomer's like a perfect 10.
	So it's really surprising to me that, like, they were like, Laura Loomer has really no chance of holding elected office in America, is basically actually a crazy person and an open racist.
	But we're still cool with being with her.
	It's still okay to put my arm around her and be like... Don't forget, this was, so this was Saturday night at CPAC.
	Friday night at CPAC was AFPAC.
	Nick Fuentes is America first, you know, and Gosar and Loomer were both speakers there.
	And yeah, Gossard's basically a Nazi.
	I mean, yeah, he... I haven't actually pushed back on that.
	I'm going to remove the basically from that sentence.
	Fair, fair.
	Gossard is a Nazi.
	I mean, he's the guy that literally had his family run a campaign ad saying, he's terrible, please vote against him.
	He's so bad.
	Yeah.
	And his district is so rotten that he still won anyway.
	So I mean, yeah.
	Ah, gerrymandering!
	What the Founding Fathers intended when they created America.
	Whatever it takes, you know?
	You gotta...
	Yep.
	Draw those lines, doesn't matter.
	Yep.
	What's really interesting, I mean, a slight segue away from this madness is just the fact that there's been talk that the congressional district that our beautiful baby boy, Ron Watkins, who has an open invite to attend the podcast whenever he wants.
	Again, Adventures in Hell World podcast, QAnon themed.
	Ron, you'll fit right in.
	Join us.
	Ron, I will make a podcast if you come online.
	Listen.
	Yes, yes.
	The Amanda Talks to Ron podcast.
	Ron-cast, what do you think?
	Yes, Ron-cast, with a Q for the O in Ron.
	But what I was going to say is, there's been talk that the district that Ron thinks he's running in is going to be the district they're going to exile Gosart to.
	Because Gosart's currently in the Arizona 4th.
	They're talking about making his district the Arizona 1st, and that's where Ron is running right now, is the Arizona 1st.
	Oh my god.
	I've never wanted something more.
	I literally have never wanted something more.
	You want hot Wadkins on CoSart action as it were?
	100%.
	Holy shit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think Ron has made a statement that he is going to aggressively carpetbag whichever district, O'Halloran, the Democrat that Ron now currently bitterly hates because he thinks that that's the only step between him and electoral power in America.
	And I don't think Ron understands that he's going to have to run in a Republican primary where he's going to have almost no support anyways.
	But my one promise to you and everybody else is that if Ron Watkins were to somehow make it to the general election, I will take a leave of absence from my job and I will go to HuffPo, Vice, anyone and be like, give me a press accreditation.
	I'm road tripping to Arizona.
	I am covering this election.
	I'm going to cover Ron Watkins goes to Congress.
	I'll write three articles a week for you guys.
	I'll write a book about it.
	Because I had said that previously.
	You know C.J.
	Truth?
	Have you ever encountered him in real life or anything?
	No.
	C.J.
	Truth is a hardcore... He's been kind of off the grid in the QAnon world.
	He was a hardcore Christian, more of the sort of, like, come to Jesus and then Q will help you out kind of guy.
	And he got doxxed as being a professional bodybuilder who lives in Texas, and he's absolutely shredded.
	He's a terrifying human being.
	But C.J.
	Truth had made some rumblings that Dan Crenshaw wasn't MAGA enough to his liking.
	Oh yeah, Dan's a cuck.
	Yeah, and he was gonna primary Crenshaw.
	And I was like, if CJ Truth primaries Crenshaw, I'm driving to Texas, baby!
	I actually had someone on Twitter DM me and said, if you actually cover the Crenshaw-CJ Truth primary, I'll
	let you crash at my place.
	And I was like, thanks for the offer!
	I'll be there, maybe.
	But CJ's been pretty inactive recently in the QAnon world.
	I haven't seen him posting a lot on social media, so maybe he's just kind of given up on all this crap, or at the very least is just dialing it back a little.
	So I doubt I'm gonna get my unbelievably fit bodybuilder versus war vet QAnon versus MAGA primary, as it were.
	which is unfortunate. So any other extremist elected officials that you got in close contact
	with besides Gosar and Marjorie and attempted elected official Laura Loomer who got absolutely
	trucked in Florida? Sabatini. So what's, he's the Arizona guy? No, Sabatini was, I think at one time
	perhaps considered the first QAnon elected official because he was very Q-friendly.
	He's a state senator in Florida.
	He's a populist.
	He was a speaker at the American Populist Union, which was an event hosted by young fascists across from Turning Point USA Student Action Summit back in July, famously where I got breakthrough COVID.
	And he's also deeply affiliated with a group called Republicans for National Renewal, the group, Republicans for National Renewal, who organized the Gosar Green Loomer event.
	So that guy, again, is not basically a Nazi.
	He's a Nazi.
	I would say that's a pretty close assessment.
	He's a far-right populist.
	Yeah.
	Which, you know.
	Yeah.
	Smoke him if you got him.
	If it quacks like a duck and all that stuff.
	Yeah.
	That same group is like also affiliated with Joe Kent.
	And Joe Kent and Sabatini are closely intertwined.
	And Joe Kent is running for Congress.
	So Sabatini's not running for Congress in Florida.
	He's a sitting seat senator running for Congress.
	Joe Kent is running for Congress in Washington.
	His area would be like where Battleground Washington is.
	He's also a far right populist.
	That is a very, I don't know, like loaded term, far right populist, as it were.
	So I have never heard of Joe Kent.
	So I mean, that's something I desperately yearn for is to learn more about all of these various people.
	I know that Alex Kaplan has a pretty good list of like QAnon candidates for Congress and stuff like that.
	So Yeah, well, Alex is probably sick of me sending him far right populace.
	He says he sees some cute shit, put him on the list!
	He's not a QAnon person, Amanda, please fuck off.
	He's a very polite person, but I'm sure he thinks so.
	Oh, Alex, Alex has very high standards for his QAnon lists.
	Guess.
	I actually had this one moment of fleeting terror with him where he was just kind of like, how do I quantify Ron Watkins?
	And I was like, he's a QAnon candidate.
	You quantify him as one.
	He is, he is, he is.
	I was just like, he's actually Q. And Alex was just sort of like, well this kind of breaks my mold because I never thought Ron was going to run directly.
	And, like, me and a few other people had to, like, steal his spine to be like, it's okay to put Ron on the list.
	You can do it.
	I believe in you.
	There's, you know, there's QAnons and there's candidates.
	There is no QAnon candidate!
	It's QDrop4882 after QDrop4881 that explained that there is no QAnon.
	Exactly, exactly.
	Oh, man.
	That's one of the things that makes me laugh the most is when people who hate me on the internet say, This guy calls himself a QAnon expert when there is no QAnon, so he should know that!
	And it's like, you know, you guys proudly called yourselves QAnon for like two years, and then it got negative, and then Q made that post to tell you to stop calling yourselves that so you wouldn't get Twitter banned and shit.
	Sorry, hashtag QAnon was one of the most popular hashtags on Twitter for forever.
	It like, I mean, that's like, it blew my mind.
	So the reason QAnonJon originally blocked me on Twitter was because I just kept dragging him.
	I'm posting all those telegrams about, like, there's, you know, there's no QAnon.
	There's QAnons.
	And I'm like, bro, is this, like, your name?
	Like, what are you talking about?
	I'm like, this is the conference mug you gave me.
	Like, this is, there's no QAnon.
	It's not a QAnon conference.
	What?
	How this, like, how are you even functioning as a human?
	Like, where you're just blocking out everything you've ever said before.
	I remember he had like a very whiny screed where he was just like, Hey guys, like, um, I, I, um, had this name for a long time and it's kind of my brand.
	So now I just got to kind of run with it.
	But you all know what I mean with the QAnon John thing, right?
	I mean, It was like, dude, like you got your marching orders and you're refusing to acknowledge them.
	And I don't know what else I can say about this.
	I mean, it's just one of those things where either you get with the program and become Patriot Jon, or you don't get with the program and remain QAnon Jon.
	I had a reporter from Arizona News And that guy is currently ripping his hair out of his head right now with the fact that Arizona is now just this absolute cesspool for QAnon stuff.
	And he said to me, he was like, how do I explain to people that this was a QAnon rally, this Patriot Double Down thing?
	And I said to him, Because it was hosted by a guy named QAnon Jon.
	That should probably be enough to tip people off, that the guy who hosted it actually goes under the pen name or stage name of QAnon Jon.
	And he was like, fair point!
	And then I also grabbed the Patriot Double Down logo, and I showed him all the 17s and the Q in it and all that kind of stuff.
	And I was like, the number 17 is a catnip for these people.
	They can't help themselves.
	They need more and more of it.
	Then he was like, oh, sounds good.
	And then he, we were going to do an interview and then he called me up and he's like, they've killed my story.
	And I was like, fuck.
	So that was great.
	Sounds about right.
	So you had, so you dealt with them.
	Uh, you had that photo with Michael Flynn.
	Like how many times have you interacted with him?
	Oh my God.
	This fucking guy.
	Listen.
	He's everywhere.
	And okay, so here's what's crazy about Flynn.
	If you go to one of these events, you're like a normal attendee, or even you're a VIP attendee, like whatever, and there's all this security, there's people like the militias, usually they're three percenters, and you have to line up and they pat you down to like take a picture with Flynn.
	But if you just go to the bar at the hotel, He gets drunk.
	He hangs out with everybody.
	He'll take pictures with you.
	He'll ask you if you want a picture, even if you're not asking him for one.
	Him and Lindell are unbelievably accessible.
	Lindell and Flynn's accessibility only ends when their schedule is too busy.
	CPAC people are just yelling out at Lindell, like, yo, man, whatever.
	And he's stopping to tell him a story.
	And that's how Flynn is as well.
	They're incredibly chummy, and the whole production of giving you the pat-down for security, because they don't want you to try to assassinate the General, it's just kabuki theater.
	It's all play acting, because if you just hang out at the bar, you'll get a photo with Michael Flynn anytime you want it.
	Yeah, so I suspect it's partially done by the organizers of the events to give it, to make it look more serious.
	I think it's, I think that is probably how it's happening, but I don't really have any evidence for that.
	It's just that I don't see, like, if it was Flynn's personal security that was making this happen, like, they're also at the bar, you know what I mean?
	So why aren't we getting patted down at the bar?
	Eh.
	Right, right.
	But again, I feel like that's a kind of thing where you're getting the pat down and all that kind of stuff, so other people who are seeing it are like, oh look, the great man is being protected by his praetorian guard to make sure that no trouble befalls him.
	And then if you just wait five hours, he'll be half in the bag.
	He'll be like, hey pretty lady, you want a photograph with the general?
	And you're like, uh, not really.
	Come on, come over here!
	Like, yeah.
	Like I've said many times, three star general, five star grip.
	Right on.
	Sure thing!
	Yeah, I think someone pointed that out.
	They were like, they had like a circle around him where he's had his hand on your side.
	And they were like, no hover hands for Flynn!
	He's in there.
	He is in there.
	Not at all.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So that's, that's really funny.
	But uh, Yeah, so him and Liddell, totally chummy, totally friendly.
	Were there any people that were aggressively inaccessible?
	I mean, I don't know if you ever were in a Trump rally or anything, obviously the president or him would be pretty inaccessible.
	I almost went to Mar-a-Lago.
	I was two hours late on the Secret Service background check, though.
	We were almost there.
	That would have been super interesting.
	That would have been really cool.
	But were there any other, like, representatives or any senators who were around that were, like, difficult to get at or were, like, just like, holy crap, this person's, like, walking right up to me.
	Like, this is bizarre.
	So I think Bober is somewhere in the middle, right?
	Rand Paul, incredibly inaccessible.
	Matt Gaetz, incredibly inaccessible.
	I paid $500 to see Matt Gaetz give a speech.
	They invited CNN to it.
	Donnie was there.
	No, Donnie wasn't even there.
	Donnie was, like, off.
	There was another camera crew.
	He's like, I'm near the venue, but not at the venue.
	C-SPAN, CNN, everybody.
	$500 to see this guy, and he comes in, gives a speech, and walks the fuck out.
	500 of my American dollars I'll never give back.
	Yeah.
	And literally all you were was just in the crowd.
	Didn't even get a grip and grin with the guy.
	Just nothing.
	There were seven tables of us, but it was outside, and it was at Trump Doral, and the way it's set up is there's a patio area, but from the actual hotel, it's like the patio is here and the hotel is here, so it forms basically an L. The patio butts up against the actual physical hotel, and there's a little upstairs patio.
	So people who didn't pay $500 got to sit at the upstairs patio and get almost the exact same experience that I got.
	And $500 pretty much guarantees you access.
	And I was furious.
	The whole thing was just absurd.
	So he is like, he says, well, uh, and then Ron Paul was at the same event and he came in, he flew in right before his speech.
	So it was a, it was a main event that you paid.
	I don't even remember.
	It's all blended together.
	However many dollars for, and then you could do extra dinners for $500 with different speakers.
	So Rand Paul was at the main event.
	He came in, gave a speech, and got out.
	Gone.
	Dipped out.
	Bye bye.
	Thanks for the money, suckers!
	Bye!
	Yeah, obviously when it came to Gates, you were obviously not in his age demographic for him to be interested in you.
	And the speech that I was there for was in April.
	It was the first speech he gave after the accusations.
	So it really ruined my plans.
	I was like, oh, I can definitely hit on Matt Gaetz.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, yeah, you're looking at that clown and all the stuff that's going on around him and how, like, literally after every speech or event he's ever been involved in, there's 20 people in a room with a mountain of cocaine just waiting to be Oh yeah!
	partaken of and you're just like, oh man, this is going to be like the easiest thing
	in the history of the world.
	And maybe I'll get this guy on tape confessing to actual crimes.
	And instead he's just like, thank you all.
	I'm out of here.
	I gotta go Venmo some 17 year olds, some money with the note saying not sex on it.
	Catch you all later.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Very disappointing.
	Yeah, that had to be crushing.
	You're just like, I'm out five bills and this prick didn't even, like, acknowledge me?
	What the shit is this?
	Literally, literally seven minutes of speech.
	Absurd.
	The most absurd shit.
	This probably won't settle Grift.
	That's incredible.
	It was barely $100 a minute.
	You had to listen to him talk.
	So people call me a grifter, but I got to get on that shit, you know?
	Oh, yeah.
	Just be an elected Republican.
	Just betray what you're doing here.
	I don't know how exactly you do it.
	Oftentimes on my podcast, we talk about selling out and becoming QAnon grifters and how easy that would be for making money and stuff like that.
	But yeah, just like have your come to Jesus moment.
	Realize that you were a bad, evil lib and now you're a reformed conservative and then just make it rain.
	Just cash some checks, as it were.
	Well, Ghost Ezra's chat is already saying that I probably am pilled and I'm just easing my liberal audience into it.
	So I've got a pathway right there.
	You do?
	Well, I mean, since he's been doxxed, I mean, you could probably go hang out with Robert Smart in Florida.
	Like, have a little have a little heart to heart with him, explain that, like, that is what you're doing.
	And then you could start your own channel called Ghost Amanda.
	Or maybe that would be a little too infringing on his, you could be like Spirit Amanda or something like that.
	And then boom, next thing you know, you're selling like noise filters and silver coins and you're just raking in the bucks.
	Hell yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's, I mean, what was I just that's what makes me laugh so much is I forget. I forget exactly how it
	started.
	Oh no, I think it was like today or some... Yeah, it was today.
	I think Mike Rothschild posted a thing where he was like...
	Like, four years ago, this information, this disinformation campaign began, and blah blah blah, and then you're like, and then, like, Mike Rothschild plugged his book, because that's what you do when you have a book out!
	And then, like, Jordan Sather was like, look at this guy plugging his disinformation book, this obvious grifter!
	And it's like, yo, Sather, you tell people to drink bleach, like, fuck you, you can't call anybody a grifter when you're acting- For years, I've been hearing Sather in person tell me to drink bleach.
	Like, no!
	So did you ever have any actual interactions with Sather at rallies or did he just go up on stage?
	Oh dear, really?
	Yeah, he was at the VIP event in Dallas and he got drunk.
	So I was sitting with him, so the Dallas QAnon John event, a guy came up to me and was like casually like flirting with me, as all the men at these events did, despite the fact that I am the ugliest horse-faced bitch woman alive.
	Trademark in the Matrix.
	Yes.
	He ended up being QAnon John's, like, he's now the COO of, like, whatever fucking company QAnon John is running, but, like, he helped him organize the event, and, like, it wasn't bullshit, because, like, he was hanging out with Amy the whole time, and, like, QAnon John, and, like, so anyway, so Jordan Statham was hanging out with him, so hanging out with me, because this guy, like, picked me up, and he was trying to light a cigar, but he didn't know how.
	He didn't understand how to cut it.
	I've never even had a cigarette in my life, and I know you have to cut a cigar.
	And then he was just asking people, including me, does anybody know how to contact Code Monkey?
	No.
	I'm actually just a guest at this event, Jordan.
	I don't know how to contact CodeMonkey.
	I paid $500 to be here.
	No, $1,000.
	I paid $1,000 to be at that event.
	I have no idea how to contact CodeMonkey.
	I would have not paid $1,000 if I had those connections.
	Yes.
	If I had the pull to talk to CodeMonkey, nothing makes me laugh harder than the fact that Ron Watkins has done all of this shit Where he's like, I'm not Q. I don't know what you're talking about.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	And then once he committed to the Patriot Double Down in Vegas, QAnon John had a trailer video made where Ron Watkins was literally the headliner and Sather and every other bum just got thrown into like a group photo of headshots where it was like, Other speakers!
	But like, Ron was like, Morpheus in the Matrix chair, and they like, poorly photoshopped his head onto a body, and all of this stuff, and it's just like... If I was... I mean, if I believed in like, the kayfabe of QAnon, as I like to call it, if you don't know that term, it's from like, professional wrestling, where you pretend that professional wrestling is real.
	But like, kayfabe is basically like, Hulk Hogan and the Iron Sheik hate each other, they're not actually friends after they get behind the curtain.
	So like in the kayfabe of QAnon, Ron Watkins is not Q. You have to believe that in order to keep the lie alive in your brain.
	So when Ron Watkins, who's like quote unquote, never been a part of QAnon and all this stuff and only showed up like after Biden won the election to go on OAN and talk about voting machines.
	When Ron Watkins is suddenly headlining the Patriot Double Down and like Sather and all these other guys who've been in the movement for like four years aren't headlining it.
	Wouldn't you be like, hey, wait a minute.
	Why is Ron Watkins this Johnny-come-lately?
	Why is he the headliner and I'm not?
	Can you explain that to me?
	And then QAnon John has to walk up to you and be like, Bob, listen.
	Shh.
	You know why.
	You know why Ron is the headliner.
	Just don't talk about it.
	We can't talk about it.
	But you know why.
	So just drop it.
	Just drop it.
	And it just made me laugh my ass off.
	It was just so transparently obvious that, like, We all know why Ron's the headliner, but we can't say it, because you can't talk about the man behind the curtain.
	You have to talk about the floating head in front of you that is the great and powerful Oz.
	Yeah.
	And that was just a real rib-tickler.
	But unfortunately, you were not allowed at the Vegas Double Down, so you've probably been... I was not, and I will say... I think that what you're saying is exactly why Flynn went to Salt Lake City instead.
	Because Flint is, you know, he's like a god at these events and he wouldn't be if Ron was there.
	But as soon as Ron was announced, I was very sad.
	Because QAnon Jon events are fun.
	There's like not, I mean, that's just it.
	Like people hang out, they get drinks, they get drunk, you know, like they have a good time.
	They talk about harp, they talk about the Jews, like whatever.
	They say all kinds of crazy shit and it's wonderful.
	It's easy for me because now you're drunk and I am either sober or only slightly drunk, but you're a shit face.
	You're just blah blah blah blah blah.
	And the idea of having to sit around Ron Watkins made me just want to, like, drown myself.
	Just the most grating human.
	I can't imagine a worse and more annoying, less charismatic human to be around.
	And so I was not happy I got banned from the event, but I also am pleased I did not have to hang out with Ron, not even for one minute.
	I was going to suggest that maybe Jim Watkins might be the more uncharismatic and terrible person to hang out with.
	But, I mean, Ron and him are very close.
	It's like one-two.
	It's the same person, whatever.
	They're going around, probably like this, you know, whatever.
	All the same.
	But we don't have confirmation that Jim has something as creepy as the Rei Ayanami doll just hanging out in his room, as it were.
	I mean, knowing about that, about Ron, is enough.
	I don't need to know similar things about Jim, which is fine.
	For those of you who are engaging in the podcast section of our conversation here, after I said the things about Rei Ayanami, Amanda's reaction was to nod her head no vigorously like eight times and then finally steel herself to jump back into the conversation, which is why we had that awkward pause there for that moment.
	Just me collecting myself.
	Yes.
	That has been one of Elle's big ideas, not for the campaign.
	We haven't actually gone to Mr. O'Halloran about that, but if Ron was his opponent in the general election, we would ask Representative O'Halloran to be like, Ron, can you shine a black light on your Rei Ayanami doll?
	We just want to see what's going on there.
	The American people deserve to know the truth about that doll, Ron.
	It's true.
	I mean, yeah, I think that's a good tactic, honestly.
	It's very polarizing.
	Oh no!
	Ron has swept into Congress with the Weeb vote!
	Who knew?
	Arizona's demographic!
	Arizona's demographics still didn't heavily weave, and now we've opened Pandora's box.
	Damn it, no!
	Yeah, we just gotta cut off Arizona if that happens.
	It's a disaster now.
	Much like Florida, I don't know that you can actually sink Arizona into the ocean, but we can try.
	We can just put sand.
	Yes, just weigh it down until it breaks off.
	Sorry, California, you're now gonna be a peninsula, but sacrifices have to be made for the greater good.
	Yeah.
	So, uh, do you have any other, like, particularly, like, interesting, like, quote-unquote, war stories?
	I mean, obviously, uh, there's, like, stuff that you were, like, gonna be, like, working on to, like, be writing about down the line, but, uh, was, like, just, when you were, like, yeah, they'll talk about the Jews, I mean, that's obviously an incredibly dark path a lot of these people went down.
	But, um, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes, it is.
	Yes.
	I mean, a lot of them, I'm not making excuses for anybody.
	There's obviously, to me, obviously a difference between an outright fascist and a QAnon supporter and a blood and soil Nazi.
	And within the QAnon crowd, a lot of people will, I think, pick up on tropes and not really understand.
	They don't have a historical context for what they're saying or what they're consuming, and they don't They don't know.
	Some of them don't know better, because they should know better.
	But they just don't, I don't think, realize.
	And I think if it was spelled out for some of these people, they would probably feel differently.
	But yeah, it still happens.
	I mean, I'm also, to be clear, I want to be extremely clear.
	Very rarely hung out with regular people, and if I did, I try to always make sure I preface stories by saying this was a regular person.
	When I'm saying, like, I was at events at QAnon John's thing at bars, I'm talking about with the security team, with organizers of the events, with speakers.
	I'm not talking about the rank-and-file people.
	So I can't really speak to, like, what they say, and I don't want to make a blanket statement.
	But in terms of everybody else, I'm comfortable saying Yeah, it seems basically almost impossible not to traffic in that world given the nature of the politics of the movement.
	I mean, QAnon is Just the latest re-skinning of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
	And that, I mean, we've had to re-skin that like every 30, 40 years because after World War II you couldn't say the Jews were the bad guys.
	So then it became the Communists, then it became the Globalists, then it became the Satanists, and now it's the Communist, Globalist, Satanists all lumped into one in QAnon.
	And all of it really, again, is just code for the Jews.
	That's what this all is in the end.
	And I do think that the vast majority of QAnon believers probably wouldn't know that.
	I don't think a lot of people who follow this know what the protocols are or understand that literally the protocols is the foundation of the building they're living in.
	And I don't think they would, in a million years, know that to be the case.
	This lets me segue into something I want to talk about a lot with everybody who will let me speak.
	I can't speak.
	I mean, I wasn't regularly going to, like, QAnon shit beforehand, right?
	Like, I went to that rally that was in D.C.
	That's how I know Travis and Julian.
	What was it, 2019?
	30 years ago it feels like at this point.
	But something that has happened is that you go to these events and some of them are paid and some of them are free rallies.
	Some of them are $100, some of them are $500, some of them are $1,000.
	And it's fun.
	I mean, like, you're not wearing a mask.
	a thousand dollars. And it's fun. I mean, like, you're not wearing a mask. COVID doesn't exist.
	You're meeting people. You're hugging. You're sharing drinks. You're having a great time.
	You're having a normal life like everybody used to have.
	And I think that headspace I mean, I was super depressed.
	I was suicidal.
	I lost my home.
	I lost everything.
	And I went to these events and I'm like, this is incredibly dangerous for people to do because I'm pretty solid in my beliefs.
	But, like, I can see how people would be pulled over, so if, you know, I'm super into QAnon and my friend Brenda's on the fence and pretty apolitical and I say, Brenda, come to this rally and then we go to the rally and then everyone goes to the bar afterwards and we go to that one bar in the city that everybody knows, you know, they're kind of Republican, you don't have to wear a mask, like, whatever.
	I see, like, how you, even if it's in the back of your mind, just kind of Breezing by it, you know, this the racial components, the anti-Semitic components of it.
	And just because it's nice to feel normal.
	And, you know, that's not so true now, but it was super true in February, March, April.
	You know, and I think it's it's secondary for some people.
	The beliefs are secondary.
	The people that got recruited over the past year and a half.
	Yeah.
	And that sense of normality, I mean, it was so it's It's nectar.
	It's ambrosia.
	It's something that people were so desperate to have.
	And that is one of the reasons why QAnon got that big shot in the arm in 2020 from COVID, was that the world was dealing with this event that no one in this generation had ever seen anything like it.
	You had lockdowns.
	Everything was going crazy.
	People wanted fast answers.
	They wanted a reason and a justification for why they were dealing with this shit, and QAnon gave it to them.
	And, I mean, it's all lies, it's all nonsense, but...
	People don't want to hear, like, people using science and stuff, because, I mean, QAnon supporters to this day will be like, hey, Fauci at the start said not to wear a mask, and he changed his mind and said we had to wear masks, because obviously the masks didn't work, but they just wanted to put us on us to oppress us and make us show that we were compliant to them.
	And that's the thing is that to these people changing your mind and accepting data points as they come in is a sign of weakness.
	They just want hard, fast answers that tell them what's going on and what's right and what's wrong and period.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	One of my friends who is very bad at poker, he would always talk to me and one of my friends who's good at poker about situations in hands.
	And if you know anything about poker, it's incredibly context-based.
	We would be asking these questions of him all the time.
	What position were you in?
	What were the stack sizes?
	How many chips did everybody have?
	How many people raised in front of you?
	How many people were left to act behind you?
	Because everything, everything, everything is context.
	And he didn't want that.
	He just wanted hard and fast rules for everything.
	And it became an inside joke between me and my friend that knows how poker works to be like, hey, how do you play pocket sevens?
	And the answer to that question is I could talk for six hours about how you play pocket sevens, but this guy just wanted a hard and fast rule on how do you do this?
	Tell me how to do it.
	And if you tell me, I'll believe you and I'll buy into it.
	And it's that mentality of just give me an answer.
	Give it to me now.
	I don't care if it's right or wrong.
	I just want to hear it.
	And that's what QAnon's really good at doing.
	It's just like, you're stressed out.
	You're freaked out.
	Like you, you've lost your job.
	Unemployment's going to run out in a month.
	You don't know how to make ends meet.
	Everything's going crazy.
	And you're like, why is this happening?
	And someone says, the Chinese, they did it.
	And you're like, OK, great.
	Now I know what's going on.
	I can hate those people because they took my job away from me.
	And that's how this operates.
	It's just, I'll just give you what you want.
	I'll give you the peace of mind by letting you blame somebody for something.
	Well, yeah, and I mean, like, it's so much less scary, right?
	Like, the Chinese are, like, that's a group of humans that you can theoretically hold accountable for something.
	And now they say remdesivir kills people, it floods the lungs, and that's what's making people drown.
	In their own lung fluid, they say it's that it's not COVID.
	And it's in the lab leak theory, like all of this comes from, we have to have exact answers to people we can hold accountable.
	Because if you say science and nature can be, you know, deadly and terrifying, and there's no rhyme or reason for it that the average person will ever understand, That is so hard to grapple with.
	It's horrifying, because what is next?
	You can stop the Chinese, you can stop the doctors, but you can't stop nature.
	You just can't.
	I was raised evangelical, and I see a lot of crossover in my childhood with QAnon, obviously.
	Um, but in particular, I mean, you know, like it took a lot to get my dad vaccinated.
	A lot.
	My dad got vaccinated in August after I had breakthrough COVID.
	It took that.
	Like, it took that, my sister being like, get the fucking shot or don't come to Thanksgiving at my house, you know?
	Um, and it's, it's just, oh, well, God, you know, I rebuke the virus with Jesus.
	Because they're, again, like, at that point, now the virus is an enemy that is tangible in a way, because it's Satan's, you know, Satan's doing it, and you have God to rebuke it.
	And it's the same concept, and it's exhausting.
	I mean, it's like why people are susceptible a lot of times to things like, oh, Sadie Hook was fake, right?
	Because it's, It hurts your brain to think that someone could kill so many children.
	And it's just easier to pretend it didn't happen.
	It's just easier.
	And, I mean, that's not true for, like, an Alex Jones or, like, whoever.
	But for, like, rank-and-file normal people, like, that's so much easier to believe.
	Julian's Rum, who's a big time QAnon promoter, I remember this was pre-COVID, but there was a mass shooting.
	All of this crazy stuff happened in a week of time.
	And Julian made a post that he said, quote, if I hadn't found QAnon, this week would have been overwhelming.
	And that is so much about why this is seductive to people, is what you were saying.
	People doing something nefarious or evil or the devil and god moving pieces on a chessboard makes a lot more sense and is a lot more tolerable to people than thinking that a bat got near a pangolin and then the pangolin got the virus from the bat and then a human got the virus from a pangolin and then and now the whole world's infected with this shit just like Random weird stuff happening in nature is so freaky and chaotic and just to think like all of this stuff doesn't happen if like that pangolin gets like run over or something or if like if that if the reservoir animal doesn't like manage to get somewhere near humans like the butterfly effect is so massive and boggles the mind that
	You can't even comprehend it, so you just kind of reject it.
	You're like, no.
	This had to be a nefarious force.
	This had to be some evil entity doing the terrible thing.
	Because our minds want to balance the scale.
	A terrible evil thing requires a terrible evil actor.
	It's why, like...
	It's like the Holocaust, worst terrible thing, but guess what?
	We have the Nazis!
	So that makes sense.
	Well, I don't know what the Venn Diagram of a COVID scenario and Holocaust scenario looks like, but that's an analogy.
	But I'm saying it's true.
	I know, I know.
	Yeah, but it's like 9-11.
	It's like you don't want to think that it was 19 jamoks of box cutters who actually took down the World Trade Center and put a hole in the Pentagon.
	You want to think that it was the global cabal.
	Like, JFK assassination.
	You don't want it to be some dickhead making a minimum wage, pointing his $10 gun out a window, and blowing away the president.
	You want it to be the CIA.
	You want a bigger, better, badder force behind the act of evil.
	Because that makes the world less chaotic and traumatic.
	You don't want, like...
	You don't want your mokes being able to pull off incredible feats of terrorism and violence because if they can do that, your whole world is shattered.
	It's like Sandy Hook.
	You don't want to believe that some idiot can just walk into a school with a gun and kill all these kids.
	You want to believe like it like either Alex Jones where it was fake or you want to believe that like literally some person from the government like activated this MK Ultra sleeper to go do the terrorism so you take your guns away from you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's always got to be bigger, badder, better.
	That's that's where it's fun and exciting.
	Yeah.
	So do you have any other thoughts, war stories, parting comments to throw in here?
	Because I've taken up 45 minutes of your time at this point.
	I don't know.
	Listen, this is so much pressure.
	Oh, no, take your time.
	Take your time.
	I mean, my god, I, I am incredibly grateful that you're talking here.
	So I'm so glad someone is listening.
	Um, I mean, I think something also that was interesting.
	So I will say I, I noticed repeatedly was, um, I would hear things in person.
	And Maybe a week or two, see hints of it at Telegram, but like, if you hadn't heard it in person, you weren't gonna draw, like, I knew where shit was going.
	I'd see and I'd be like, oh, I see, I know, I remember that speech.
	And then it'd be two more weeks, we'd see some stuff, and then like a month later I'd see an article about it, right?
	Um, I have this, my own conspiracy theory, which is just like a comedian has like, you know, like they do like a test set.
	I think that a lot of times at these events, they were using us to gauge our reactions and see what pushback we gave, if any, um, before they would, you know, commit to publicly writing down, um, changes in theory, like, you know, especially as we escalated to Remdesivir being the number one killer of humanity.
	Um, And I thought that was fascinating and I thought it was, um, it was also, it's also overwhelming because they throw so much at you.
	These events are very long.
	Um, the QAnon events are very long.
	They're very exhausting and they're so, God, they're so fucking miserable.
	You know, it's all these dead kids.
	It's all these rape children and it's just awful.
	And like your brain checks out at some point, you know?
	And, um, it's like, I would leave events and I wouldn't even remember what people talked about.
	And it's like, thank God I'm recording it because I literally couldn't tell you because I'm just overwhelmed.
	It's too much information.
	It's too much for me that it's like definitely too much for like the average person who's at these events.
	Not because I'm smarter than they are, but because like, I'm very well versed in it.
	And the people who are paying $500 to go to this stuff, you might think that they're experts, but they're not.
	They're just people who are like, I'm so bored.
	I love this guy's podcast.
	I love this person running for office.
	Whatever.
	I want to go do some fun shit.
	COVID sucks.
	And it's like going to a music festival.
	You know three people at the festival, but you go even though there's 10 people playing, right?
	It's the same kind of thing.
	I know if I was getting confused and overwhelmed, then other people definitely were, and yeah, it was very fascinating to watch that play out, because I don't think I've ever seen that before.
	You were watching a comedian working on stuff for his next special, and he's just, like, sitting there throwing some stuff out, and then he's just like, oh, I'm gonna have to tighten up that one.
	Okay, that one's right out.
	Nope, not gonna use that one next time.
	Yep.
	I remember, like, I forget who it was but there was like one stand-up and he was talking about how like they threw some guy out because he was a big-time comic and he just like showed up at the laugh shack or whatever like totally out of nowhere and he got up on stage he's like hey guys guys I'm gonna I'm gonna do like 15 but
	This is all new material.
	Please don't get out your phones and record it, because I'm just trying.
	I'm workshopping here with you guys, because I'm an unannounced comedian, and maybe I'll tell some of my famous singers to make you happy at the end, but I'm just trying to do something.
	And some asshole immediately pulled out his iPhone and was just holding it up.
	And he was just like, okay, get him out.
	And the guy was like, whatever, bro!
	And it's just like...
	It's just really funny to think that these guys are going to these conventions or rallies and they're just sort of like...
	I got a new angle on how Ivermectin is gonna save us all, but I'm not exactly sure if they're gonna buy it.
	So let me get up there and, like, just see if I can do my little song and dance and talk about it.
	And then, like, suddenly he's seeing a lot of heads nodding and people, and he's like, yes, yes!
	My new Ivermectin spin is connecting!
	And then, like, a week later on Telegram, he's like, Ivermectin proven effective!
	And it's just like, yes, I got a winner here, baby.
	Frontline doctors, I'm going to be getting my residual bonuses from those people when I send out my affiliate link to get people to get their prescriptions.
	Yeah.
	So in Kentucky, at the Brad Barton event, the 9-11 Memorial event, at the VIP event the night before the main conference, Dr. Brian Artis, chiropractor, Was giving a speech about Remdesivir, you know, being responsible for killing everybody.
	And he said, How many people died in the Holocaust?
	And nobody answered.
	Which was...
	Probably he'll never make that joke, or ask the audience that question again.
	Like, it's not a joke, but like, you know what I mean?
	Like, it was such a weird, and like, nobody knew how to respond.
	I didn't know how to respond, like, is this a trick question?
	Like, is this like a Nick Fuentes cookie thing?
	I don't, what's happening?
	If I say six million, do I get booed out of the building?
	Right!
	Is zero too few?
	I don't know!
	Do people start hitting me with rotten fruit and vegetables, and they're like, shh!
	Remove the heretic!
	Burn the heretic!
	And you're just like, no!
	I'm sorry, I thought the Holocaust was real!
	Oh, no!
	It's very confusing what crowd you're in.
	But two weeks later, Breitbart posted to Telegram that the Holocaust was happening again, and that the hospitals were the modern day gas chambers.
	Because they shopped it, you know, it no longer was like, it's no longer like a back and forth.
	It's like a direct, you know, the Holocaust happened.
	So we're just going to say it's the same as the Holocaust.
	And it's, you know, this trickling down effect.
	And I would see influencers and media who I like was Facebook friends with, and, you know, like, texted with and they would, you know, I don't think that anybody knows them outside of the sphere that I was in.
	But They, you know, they did the circuit.
	They go to all the events.
	And it's hard to see what their followings are like because everything is so fractured and spread across.
	I mean, you know, even Matrix only has 24,000 Telegram subscribers.
	And I have 32,000 followers on Twitter, Jeff.
	So if you're listening, just remember that.
	Yeah.
	How do you like them apples?
	We've been in a battle for days.
	What makes me laugh so much was when Sather just dripping with jealousy was complaining about 107 and having an Austin Martin.
	And it's just like, oh my god.
	Jordan just thinks that it's his birthright to have that beautiful car, and it's been denied him by this cruel, grifting huckster.
	It's just so hilarious.
	So funny.
	I don't sit around spending my time on Twitter being like, here's something terrible Major Patriot said, and god damn you Travis View for having a nice house!
	That should have been me!
	I mean, it's insanity and I really need my Twitter account back just so I can point out to Jeff that I have more followers than he has.
	Because I think it really bugs these people in a way that I just don't understand.
	I literally cannot relate to this.
	Maybe part of it's because they've been so de-platformed, de-platformed, de-platformed.
	Maybe Jordan's like, if I could just have Twitter again, I could be Mike Rothschild selling all of my books.
	Who knows?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, I think that's absolutely something that's a part of it is that they just see people, I mean, they just see people having more success in the field.
	And to me, it's just, it kind of shows how just like empty QAnon really is, because To me, I have my little Heidi hole.
	I have my Twitter feed.
	I do my podcast.
	I'm living my life.
	Would I like things to be bigger, brighter, better?
	Obviously, everybody does.
	But I'm not sitting around every day comparing my follower count to bigger QAnon debunking accounts.
	And also...
	There are people like you, like Sarah Hightower, like just people that just do so much work and are so just immersed in this stuff and I and I see what they've done and I'm just like goddamn they're like just just doing way more than me.
	I'm just sitting here like trying to piece this stuff together on social media as best I can and just kind of dunking on these clowns because Like to me, all I am is just like this bright, all I want to be is like this bright warning light saying do not go into QAnon.
	These people are trying to take your money.
	They're trying to ruin your life.
	They're trying to damage you as a person.
	And I understand that I am but like that I'm just guarding one door on a building that has like four sides.
	and like three doors on each side and people are getting into that building all these other things but i'm like this is my door and i'm not letting you through go some other way to get in and that's it and i'm just i'm content i'm i'm a i'm the happy little clam doing what work i can for that and i don't i don't I don't worry myself about somebody else having an Austin Barton.
	I don't worry myself about someone having this giant follower account.
	I just want to do what little I can, because we had talked before about how you've done all this work in the field and stuff like that, and you've told people, touch grass, which means get engaged, be on the ground, be in meet space, actually engaging and doing stuff like that.
	That is a motto that I find to be incredible and very thoughtful.
	And my motto is just gotta keep pushing that rock up that hill.
	I mean, that's just me.
	That's the way I feel.
	It's like, hey, if we're all just Sisyphus and we're all just doing our thing, just do it.
	Just do it anyways.
	Just push the rock up the hill.
	See what happens.
	Maybe we get the rock all the way up there.
	Probably won't.
	But this is our job.
	Let's try it.
	Let's just see how it works out.
	Yeah.
	I mean, people have messaged me to tell me that like, I mean, because you know, when I was actually on the ground reporting stuff, I only had like 3,400 followers and it's really, you know, I've gotten a lot of pushback from people and it's incredibly hypocritical to me that people are giving me pushback because for a year I was regularly tweeting and like I was being retweeted by large accounts like Travis, like Mike.
	And, um, I'm so sad I didn't know you during this time.
	Literally like a week before you got doxxed.
	Right as I got doxxed, yeah.
	And I couldn't help you at all because I was doxxed.
	Right.
	Because someone was like, these people are meddling in school board elections.
	What do I do?
	And then I talked to somebody and they're like, go find Frank the Turtle.
	They know a lot of stuff about this.
	And I was like, sounds good.
	And I was like, hey, Frank the Turtle, I'm a moron that needs help.
	And then you're like, I'm doxxed.
	I really can't help you.
	And I'm like, that sucks.
	Oh, well.
	Though I still do know a lot about school board elections and city council.
	I do have this information, but yeah, you know, it's just like, I think a lot of it, not on like a, I don't, I don't mean this on like a researcher researcher level at all, but like on a, I, engaged, like, person who's like, interested in following this stuff, but isn't really doing the work themselves.
	I mean, the entire target audience, you know, like, um, like it was a conscious choice, you know, to not, to not care when I was reporting on the ground.
	Like it was basically, you know, and it was a conscious choice to care when I revealed my face.
	And that's like, um, it's very frustrating for me, but people have reached out to let me know that people who have followed me for a long time, a few of them have said, That the fact that I was always reporting stuff before it was, you know, being posted about because again, no reporters were at these events, um, help them keep family members out of queue.
	And like, isn't that what matters?
	Like I, who gives a fuck?
	Like who gives a fuck about the rest of it?
	Like I am here, like, yeah, of course I want to write a book.
	I spent a year of my fucking life doing this.
	Like nobody else, you know, like is going to be able to like take that story But what matters is, like, if I can convince people, or if I did convince people, you know, that Q was wrong about something, or that, you know, far-right populism sounds good, but really isn't good for most people.
	That's, you know, that's, I think that is what matters, and to get upset about a follower account, or who has what car, like, okay, you know, like, I get that it's frustrating not to be recognized for your work, but Okay.
	The work is the good.
	That's what it comes down to.
	The work is what matters.
	I've been told by five people that I got them out of QAnon.
	My dumb shit on Twitter helped them see the light, and that meant the world to me.
	I think it was Will Sommer, but Will Sommer told me that someone talked to him and said that it was me that helped that person get out.
	And I mean, I was like, God, yes!
	Thank God!
	And it's like, that's what matters.
	That is truly what matters, is that this thing is... QAnon is just so devastating and damaging to people that knowing that anyone was able to find light through anything I've done, when I think It's so hard to get out because you have, you have to make that decision.
	And then that's what that, I mean, whenever, when people tell me they're like, my mom got into it, my dad got into it, my kid got into my wife or husband got into it.
	They're like, how do I get them out?
	And I'm like, what did I could tell you?
	But all I ever tell them is I'm like, look, the only thing you can possibly do is tell them that you'll, if you're willing to do it, if your mental health is strong enough, you tell them that when you're ready to leave or when you have doubts about this shit, I'll talk to you.
	No conditions.
	I'm not going to shame you.
	I'm not going to do anything.
	I just want to have you back in my life.
	And let's just do this.
	Let's, let's go to Denny's like we did back in the day.
	We'll get some omelets and we'll just, we'll just hash it out.
	It'll all be great.
	And that to me is like, and that's an incredibly frustrating answer for these people because they want that magic solution.
	They want that payoff.
	And the payoff is really just learning the lesson that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
	You can show them all the failed predictions that Q has made.
	You can show them all the things Q's fucked up on royally.
	And it's almost assuredly not going to do anything.
	It's almost assuredly just going to bounce right off that bubble they're living in and be totally worthless, totally ineffective.
	And really, like, it comes down to something inside them.
	I remember someone saying that, like, Q posted something about, like, computer coding and stuff like that, and they knew Q was wrong about it.
	And they were just like, no, this guy's bullshitting me!
	Like, no, that's not true!
	And that was what flipped the switch for them, was just seeing that Q was bullshitting about something they had personal experience in.
	And that's just a thing that you or I or anyone from the outside, we couldn't hit that person with that.
	That person had to make that conscious decision on their own.
	And that's where the change comes from like 98% of the time.
	It's the internal stimulus reaction to something.
	Like the 98th failed prophecy from Q is finally the one where you're like, that's it!
	I can't take this anymore.
	But I can't be the one being like, Q failed 98 times, bro.
	When are you going to wake up?
	And you're like, I'm holding out for 99.
	Shut up.
	Live dark.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's why, like, you know, Matrix keeps pushing his followers to my Twitter and it's like, great.
	I love it.
	Do it more.
	Because the best I can do is some of these people met me without a doubt.
	People that watch his show absolutely met me.
	I mean, people that met me snitched to him about who I am and like, You know, you told me that I remind you of your daughter doesn't talk to you anymore because of this.
	You, you know, like, I hope that that connection that I had with people, like, it wasn't meant to dupe, rank and file people.
	And, you know, like when he, when he did it the other night, I posted, don't let Jeff do this to your kids and linked to a thread about a woman whose, whose dad died because her brother believed that they're killing people in the hospitals and saying it's COVID.
	And, You know, it's just you never know what's going to click with people.
	You never know what's going to hit.
	And I mean, my father is like this and he has been my entire life.
	And if I had an answer for it, my life would have been easier.
	I would be rich because I would I would be doing a huge speaking circuit for many years now.
	But yeah, you know, it's it's so hard.
	It's it's hard to to pull people out and then you don't you don't ever know.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so, man, this is an incredibly optimistic way to round out an hour of conversation, but, I mean, this is kind of the nature of QAnon, is that it is kind of a, well, that's what I said earlier, about how QAnon lures you in with hope, and then your life becomes something of just basically despair.
	Like, it's what you just said about Jeff being ostracized from his children.
	Well, no, no, not Jeff, to be clear.
	In the Matrix, there's not a shit ton of children that I know of, but like, random old women would always come up to me and, I mean, you know?
	Tell me.
	Literally every event I went to.
	Yeah.
	Oh, God.
	Absolutely.
	I was gonna say, well, from them, but I mean, like, Martin Geddes, he's been ostracized from his children.
	He just made a very long, ranty post on whatever forum will have him about how, like, The dum-dums who've taken this vaccine are gonna suffer for it, and it hurts when your family does it, and all this stuff, and it's... And he's had a very public feud with the woman who runs the school his daughter is in, where...
	They, I guess they like approve vaccinations or whatever, and he couldn't get his daughter to not take it.
	And it's just, I mean, it's just like so miserable.
	And he's just like so upset that like, that his wife and his kids won't listen to him about the clot shot and how devastating it is.
	And it's just, and it makes me laugh so much because it's like, if this thing was going to cause a blood clot, In so many people, why hesitate?
	They call it birth control.
	They call it birth control?
	Yeah, because birth control causes more blood clots than the fucking COVID vaccine.
	Oh, absolutely, oh, absolutely.
	Famously, we don't care about.
	Oh, oh, oh, I mean, hey, uh...
	Why would I care about women having blood clots?
	Because birth control is what allows me to enjoy sex more, which is all a man cares about and is super important to me, a man.
	So if women have to risk blood clots for my sexual pleasures, so be it.
	This COVID shot that I might have to take that has far less of a chance of causing a blood clot.
	Oh no bueno for me!
	Oh no!
	Too much risk!
	Way too much risk!
	Way too much risk!
	Woman, sacrifice your health and your life for the glory of my peen, whereas I myself will not risk I would rather risk contracting and transmitting a deadly virus than take a shot because I might have a .0003% chance of getting a blood clot.
	That's really typical strong male logic.
	I absolutely see that.
	That makes a ton of sense to me.
	I didn't even know that stat because I'm a worthless blindspotted male!
	That is super awesome!
	But I mean, you know, like, this is the other thing I did with Matrix, where I, like, pointed out when we were at, um, him and I were at the same event, um, I know you're trying to wrap it up, sir, I just will never shut up.
	Oh, no, no, no!
	We're going two hours at this point!
	You're big time!
	We're going to sizzle, baby!
	So, I, we might, or Jeff and I were at the same event, and It was in St.
	Louis.
	It was in an abandoned mall.
	And I said it had no air conditioning, which wasn't true.
	It had light puffs of air conditioning in one section of the food court where the event was.
	So MAGA Twitter got all over me for exaggerating.
	But it basically had no air conditioning.
	It was so hot.
	I was sweating the whole time.
	I actually had to go to the Cabela's next door and buy like that thing you can make wet around your neck.
	The Cabela's wasn't abandoned.
	It was like separate from the mall.
	Um, and everybody got COVID.
	So I had breakthrough COVID in July.
	I was vaccinated with Moderna in February before CPAC.
	I had COVID in March 2020.
	Then I was vaccinated with Moderna before CPAC in February 2021.
	And then I had breakthrough COVID at the end of July 2021.
	And so by the time this event in St.
	Louis happened, which was like August, around August 24th, I was, I was good to go.
	I'm like, I'm an immune god.
	I can do whatever I want.
	I can lick COVID.
	Doesn't matter.
	Because I've, the one-two punch.
	Turns out that was a good prediction because everybody got it.
	Everybody was so sick.
	I'm Facebook friends with all of these like media people, speakers.
	My Facebook feed was just everybody like, Ivermectin works, feel great.
	A week later, they would be like, I still have the chills.
	I'm still so sick.
	I'm taking extra Ivermectin.
	And it's like, Um, okay.
	You have all these posts about how miserable you feel.
	When I had breakthrough COVID, I lost my sense of taste.
	My sense of taste was wonky.
	It was gone.
	And then it was wonky and like hot coffee tasted like vomit for two weeks.
	So I could only drink cold brewed coffee.
	And like for a week, it could only taste like very sour or olives.
	Like, sour and briny.
	And I was, like, working out, like, lifting weights.
	My arm was broken, so I was, like, lifting weights, like, with one arm.
	I'm, like, running up and down the steps is cardio.
	I shared drinks.
	Like, I was drinking a drink at a bar with my friend, and she was drinking the same out of switching cups.
	She didn't get it.
	My arm was broken.
	I was staying with my mommy, who was, like, having to, like, cut my steak for me, you know, like, make my bed for me.
	Like, very close contact.
	She didn't get it.
	Her, like, unvaccinated boyfriend didn't get it.
	Nobody fucking got it from me.
	And these assholes are all sick and giving it to each other.
	And so when In The Matrix was driving all those viewers to me, I posted one of the screenshots from Facebook during that time period.
	And I said, Jeff, look how sick your friends were.
	Why?
	Why do you want this for people?
	You know, like, it's so easy to not have this problem.
	There's a free and easily available vaccine at every corner in America.
	Well, yeah, well, I mean, Jeff isn't one to truck in reality, seeing as how he famously proclaimed on his show that when we got to the bottom of the 2020 election, Trump was going to be declared the winner of California.
	Not just the election, but California.
	Which is one of my favorite things about QAnon is this belief that they are both this incredibly persecuted small minority of Americans trying to wake up the rest of us, but they are also just the very bleeding tip of the spear of this vanguard of Americans who want freedom and that secretly everybody loves Donald Trump and voted for him.
	Yes, very close to evangelical Christianity.
	We're always being persecuted.
	We're always at risk of having everything taken away from us, but when push comes to shove, we're always going to be successful and win because we'll be able to convert people, we'll be able to teach our neighbors, and then eventually Jesus will come and kill off all the bad people.
	It's a very strong parallel to the Delusional shit I grew up with.
	Yep.
	Just biblical end times Christianity stuff, just like- Like literal, yeah.
	I mean, we are literal interpretation people.
	Oh, I mean, yeah, I mean, this is like pre-trib, mid-trib, late-trib kind of arguments and debates about that, which is something I've always laughed about when it comes to QAnon, because if you believe in the Bible and all of this stuff, then, sorry, you have to believe in revelations, you have to believe in the rise of the Antichrist, you have to believe in Like all of these various steps happening before the second coming occurs and Jesus kicks everybody's ass.
	They're happening.
	The Mark of the Beast is here.
	The Antichrist is here.
	It's probably Obama or, you know, somebody like him.
	Somebody, I mean, you know, and yeah, it's all, it's all, it's all coming to a head right now.
	As, as, as the QAnon shaman screamed at me, as we walked to the Capitol together, it is all coming to a crescendo here and now.
	It was this moment together.
	Oh, if there was ever anyone in this world that I wanted to share the biblical end times with, it would have been the QAnon Shaman.
	And he was so annoying that I left him and marched with the Groifers instead because they were less annoying.
	Oh, but I mean, just think about the, I mean, while you probably would have received several felony charges, you would have got a lot of camera time to go with him.
	I mean, because I mean, the cameras couldn't miss his glistening abs.
	I mean, they had to, they had to photograph that guy every step of his march to the Capitol.
	He's so loud.
	I was one of those people photographing him every step of the way.
	He's so loud.
	I understand we still, I see somebody, um, I would drop their handle, but I don't know if they want that, so I won't.
	But they did message me.
	They were like, did you want pictures of you on the body cams and shit from J6?
	And I'm like, yes.
	But none of them are me when I'm close to the QAnon shaman, unfortunately, which would have really given me some street cred, I feel like.
	If only you had stood in the well of the Senate.
	With him?
	Well, he's gone now.
	I mean, in that moment, he would have been the Emperor of America and you would have been his royal consort.
	I mean, it would have... I think those are the rules.
	I think that's how this works.
	Sounds right.
	Why not?
	Yeah.
	I will say he's very friendly.
	He is definitely full of himself, but he, you know, he's always taking pictures with Taurus, or he was, probably not anymore.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, probably things have changed.
	His status has changed a little bit, as it were.
	I do hear he's an FBI Antifa plant now.
	Oh, he was an FBI Antifa plant the moment he stood in the well of the Senate.
	They had photos of him hanging out with Austin Steinbart, who all of quote-unquote serious QAnon really hate.
	Did you ever deal with Steinbart?
	No, I didn't, but I will tell you when I was at CPAC, I was at the bar and we were talking about how we were all at J6 and they were saying, oh, it was a lot of like bad actors, like fake people, not Trump people.
	And I was like, well, not the QAnon shaman.
	I was like, I've met Jake many times.
	Yeah.
	And they were like, oh yeah, no, he's legit.
	But these weren't QAnon people.
	These were like, you know, like manga people.
	Right.
	And it was very, it's been, it's been very fascinating to track how things have changed.
	But yeah, sorry.
	I, no, I never met Austin.
	That was about to come out of my mouth really rudely and condescendingly.
	And I don't exactly know what your timeline for when Frank the Turtle was first appearing on the internet, but when Austin first came onto the scene, He sent me, I know he sent me Frederick Brennan and Mike Rothschild a bunch of photographs of like him in like a room with a bunch of servers and him like
	In these, like, quote-unquote, like, military areas.
	And he was trying to, like, show, like, us QAnon debunkers that, like, he was the real deal.
	That, like, he was, like, legitimate on some level.
	And I thought it was so weird that he was doing that.
	And, uh...
	I remember, like, at one point when he was actually, like, kind of, like, had completed his, like, uh, Pokemon evolution to the Grifter level that he was at, where he was doing the whole time-traveling shit, where, like, I'm cuing the future, sending messages back to me in the past, and...
	Like, at one point, I sent him a message and I'm like, yo, bro, this is totally off the record.
	I will not tell anyone this, but just tell me, like, how do you work your grift?
	Like, do you map things out?
	Are you working things?
	Like, do you market test your hustle?
	Like, how did you get to the point where you're doing the time travel thing?
	I just want to know, like, how does your mind work?
	How does this all tick together?
	And I mean, I was obviously going to post everything he sent to me, but Like, I just wanted to have, kind of like, I wanted to be like, hey bro, I'm a grifter just like you.
	Let's have, like, a grifter tete-a-tete where we, like, share information about how we're hustling the rubes to make a few shekels.
	And I just wanted to see, like, if he would say anything, and he never talked to me, which was very unfortunate.
	Because I wanted to see if he would, like, just drop his guard and be like, hey man, this is what I'm doing.
	This is my hustle, bro.
	And it just feels like that was, like, that feels like what happened with you at these bars where you were getting these guys, where these guys were getting themselves drunk and stuff.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, yeah, you know, it took nine minutes and 42 seconds for QAnon Jon's COO to offer me a free vaccine card.
	Yeah, I saw you post that on the Unitrons.
	And boy, were there people that came out of the woodwork saying, it's blank.
	That's not a crime.
	Anyone can print that out.
	You've got nothing, lady.
	He got it from his job, which he owns the business, which had a contract with FEMA to administer vaccinations in the state of New Jersey.
	And it's legit.
	I've pulled everything.
	I pulled it within a day of him giving it to me.
	I'm not an idiot.
	That's the other thing, too, is people seem to think I'm an incredibly stupid person, but I'm not.
	I have, like, Excel spreadsheets that have so much data on all these people, and obviously I couldn't give up that information without completely outing myself, but now I can.
	And the journalist who I've been working with knows this.
	He knew who he was from day one.
	I told him everything.
	Like, this is all orchestrated and all planned out, yes.
	But yeah, they just cannot control themselves.
	They literally cannot.
	Are you saying that we should trust the plan?
	We should trust the plan.
	I have a plan.
	That plan is that I really need an editor to get back to me immediately.
	Oh, we got to publish someone needs someone needs to pay me because I'm famously a grifter.
	And I'm very bad at it because I'm down 20 grand.
	Hey, once you once you get that book made, you'll just plug it all the time just like that grifter Mike Rothschild and you'll have the Austin Martin and life's just gonna be a better Rosa.
	It's gonna be it's so so I've like known my Before I was doing this, because I, you know, like, I mean, I knew Jillian and Travis because we were at the same QAnon rally in 2019.
	Like, obviously, this has consumed a lot of my world.
	And I'm sad that my old Twitter account got deleted, because they would have seen more engagement between me and all of their most hated grifters.
	And I mean the left and the right.
	I mean both the left and the right.
	This is very universal.
	Right, right, right.
	No, no.
	Yeah, you know, it's it's weird.
	You shouldn't be.
	You shouldn't be able to write about it.
	And then people really also mad I have a Patreon, which is crazy.
	Because my Patreon is mostly me saying, I'm really sorry I can't post much here without outing myself, but I'm gonna do a giveaway if you follow me now of all of the shit that I accumulate over these months.
	Because I have like QAnon John t-shirts, I have like Matrix bracelets, I have Joe M bracelets, I've got mugs, I've got this weird poster of Trump that is like...
	I don't even know how to describe it.
	I have so much shit.
	I have books.
	I have the Patrick Byrne book.
	I've got Clay Clark's book.
	I've got Clay Clark t-shirts.
	The boom.
	Oh my god, I have so much junk.
	I have the alpaca.
	The Project Veritas alpaca.
	Oh, man.
	Is it signed by O'Keefe?
	No, it's not, but he wore it the whole entire day.
	I do have a JT Wilde CD that is signed, but that's for me.
	Oh, hey, you can't give up the premium stuff.
	You can't give up the big stuff.
	It says, thanks for fighting.
	And what does it say?
	It says, thank you for fighting.
	Whatever, it looks like fucking and it's super weird.
	It's too much.
	I had to read it like six times to understand what I was looking at.
	Yeah, I'm trying to think like, I've also like done a lot of sat in a lot of stuff where people talk about the, you know, basically overthrowing of the government at the local level.
	So you didn't ask me this, I don't care, because you said it's up to two hours now, we're only at 120.
	Lin Wood was kind of like pressured to run by a series of people pressured, including Presley Stutz.
	Now Presley Stutz is former Tea Party.
	And he was the chairman of the South Carolina, the Greenville, South Carolina GOP.
	And The reason that was able to happen, and I'm a little hazy on this because it's been a while since I've looked at it, because he's dead.
	It's not a problem anymore.
	He helped orchestrate a targeted harassment and bullying campaign against the woman who had won the position within the GOP and harassed her and her kids every day until she quit.
	She said, fuck it.
	It's not worth it.
	I'm not going to do this anymore.
	And then he was the head of it, and he was like, teaching us, you know, how to do that ourselves at our local level, and how we could have basically a full QAnon takeover of the Republican Party.
	And I've seen, I've seen so much of that.
	Even more, like, Presley Stutz is not a name that I see people talk about in Not just mainstream media, but like really any of this world at all?
	Oh, I have no idea who he is.
	This is incredibly disagree.
	He got COVID at an event that I was at, and I didn't get it because I'm vaccinated.
	And he was not vaccinated, so he died.
	Very sad.
	Did he, like Robert Steele, claim that he didn't have COVID and that was not what was killing him before he died?
	He denied it until his dying breath.
	And then after he died, his son continued to say it was A murder.
	And now Brad Barton, at that September 11th extravaganza in Kentucky, got on stage and said, they murdered my friend Presley Stutz in the hospital.
	Oh, the whole Alex Jones and they put you on the ventilator and blow your lungs out bullshit.
	No, remdesivir.
	Remdesivir floods your lungs.
	Remdesivir keeps your kidneys from being able to function, they say, and then they give you a saline solution and your kidneys can't process the saline solution and so it goes to your lungs and then it drowns you in your lungs.
	And the reason that we use remdesivir, they say, inaccurately, is because Fauci is the orchestrator of the Holocaust, and he knew remdesivir in prior studies killed 41% of patients that had it.
	Way more than 41% of patients would have died, you know, without any treatment, so it improved the number of living people.
	Doesn't matter.
	They say that it's Fauci's Holocaust, and so it's remdesivir.
	I'm sure in a couple months it'll be something else, and retroactively all those deaths will change to be whatever fits the new narrative.
	It doesn't matter.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, it's like how originally Antifa was behind the 1-6 riots, and then it became the FBI.
	And the villain just changes based on whatever evidence we can find at any given moment.
	Because there was this thing about how if a hospital got somebody with COVID, they got X amount of money.
	Oh, yeah, Jones loves that.
	Yeah, and if they put them on a ventilator, they got Y amount of money.
	Like, you walk into a hospital with a sprained ankle, and they just, like, they strap you down, put you on a ventilator, and kill you, and then just collect them ducats.
	And it's just... I mean, the Redesivir thing...
	That just... I understand it from the mentality that it makes it even more evil, because on some level, like, your lizard brain can understand people killing people for money, like using the ventilator to murder people because the government just cuts you a check for it.
	But the Remdesivir, it just sounds like they're just, like, Satanists getting off on killing people.
	And that's one of the things about QAnon is that everyone has to be even more evil and more monstrous than you could have ever imagined.
	When Epstein finally got arrested and QAnon was celebrating Epstein's arrest, I mean, Epstein is a child sex trafficker, he's a rapist, he probably abused those children more than just sexually.
	I mean, the litany of monstrous crimes Epstein had committed is beyond imagining, but that wasn't good enough for QAnon.
	Epstein also had to be a Satanist who was sacrificing children in his dark temple.
	Well, you know, it's his fault for having the last name Epstein.
	He could have just used his name.
	Yeah, yes, absolutely.
	But I mean, it's just, it's like, seriously, guys, like, Epstein's a bad enough monster.
	We don't have to add the satanic murderer to it.
	They're like, nope, got to do it.
	Got to add the satanic murderer on top of it because that otherwise, I mean, they're like, they're like an addict that has built up a resistance and intolerance to the drug that they don't even feel anything when a guy gets arrested for running an international child sex trafficking ring.
	Like, it's their thing!
	It's their whole thing!
	Right!
	That's their show!
	Yes!
	That's all they're about, but they're like, yeah.
	They're like, yeah, International Child Sex Trafficking Ring, that's great.
	Is Satan involved?
	Does he murder the kids for adrenochrome?
	Because if he does that, then I'll get out of bed for it.
	Then I'll be willing to pay attention to it.
	But until I hear about the adrenochrome, I'm not that interested.
	I'm not in.
	I'm sorry.
	And it's just like, it's like, come on, guys.
	Like, really?
	Like, can't the world just be bleak and miserable enough without you having to invent even bigger and more horrifying nightmares on top of it?
	I mean, seriously.
	We can't even have a ship stuck in a canal.
	Nope.
	We can't even have this funny.
	It was universally funny.
	You know this bitch?
	I was at a Roger Stoom Proud Boys event in April, and this woman is like, the Abergeven is full of dead kids.
	They're panicking because their adrenochrome is gonna run out.
	It's only good for so long.
	And also, did you see the way it tried to get out?
	It drew a dick and balls, and that is a sign.
	Oh God!
	Everything's a sign.
	Oh God, is everything a sign.
	It's so funny.
	A ship is stuck in a canal.
	It's objectively hilarious.
	Why are you ruining something funny?
	Don't understand.
	Oh, because they're miserable.
	Because they're miserable and we can't have nice things.
	I mean, that's just what this comes down to.
	Like, fascists are like racist pieces of shit and then they're normal sometimes.
	They're like, hey, did you see that movie?
	Or then they make jokes that are funny about Nancy Pelosi because she does suck.
	And it's not like that with the QAnon people.
	They can't turn off.
	They just never stop.
	If you try to talk about Nancy Pelosi, all of a sudden there's a conspiracy theory.
	If you try to talk about the new Marvel movie, they'll tell you 30 conspiracy theories about her.
	It's like, oh my god, just be normal.
	Just be cool.
	Just chill out.
	Chill out.
	Oh, no.
	It becomes your world.
	It becomes your world, and there's no escaping it.
	You can never get away from it.
	I mean, it's just everything.
	It's just everything, and it's always there.
	And it's because the QAnon and the conspiracy theories like it are so participatory, and you just have to be stuck just believing in it, and you have to be looking for more Things to prove the theory.
	More things to prove that you've found something.
	And on top of being participatory for you and being engaging and exciting, if you're able to uncover the secret satanic wink and nod in the latest Marvel movie and you post it to social media before anybody else does, You get a lot of shoutouts.
	You'll get a lot of engagements.
	You'll get a lot of reposts.
	Back when this stuff was in its heyday, you could have got cued!
	You could have got trumped!
	You could be the belle of the ball!
	You could be the prettiest girl!
	And that was just something that was so motivating and so incentivizing that You're just perpetually on.
	You're just permanently engaged in all that stuff.
	So you brought up being at the Roger Stone Proud Boy meeting.
	How accessible was old Roger?
	For me?
	Yeah, for you.
	Okay.
	He was an okay level of accessible?
	For me, I don't know that the average person that attends these events... I mean, Bobby Pickles, they were trying to get me to go on Bobby... Notorious Proud Boy Bobby Pickles.
	They were like, oh, his boat has space available if you want to go on it tomorrow.
	But I was flying home at 7am and I'm texting the journalist I'm working with and I'm like, do I go on Bobby Pickles' boat?
	And he was like, no, you go the fuck home.
	I was like, I think I could go on the boat though.
	I'm pretty sure I could definitely go on the boat.
	Because it was Trump-a-rilla, where they have like a Trump-o-parade.
	And I was at a Roger Stone fundraiser the night before.
	So Trump-a-rilla is organized by D'Ancini.
	And one of the few things I, like, a lot of press knew what I was doing.
	A shit ton of press.
	So many people knew what I was doing.
	The main show list I'm working with is like, why do so many people know?
	And I'm like, because I don't have Fucking salary.
	Like, I don't have time to say, if you've talked about this person, I need you to tell me everything right now.
	My OPSEC is terrible.
	I don't know what I'm doing.
	No, I will say my OPSEC was not terrible.
	I was previously doxxed and that's how I got doxxed again.
	They found the old doxxed.
	But like, people that knew, it was like, it was like QAA and like Mike and like Jared and Will, Alex knew, like, You know, like, Tom McKay knew, like, people that, like, reasonably, I think, everybody in this sphere, like, trusts.
	I feel left out now.
	Why didn't I know?
	Many of them I had, like, a lot of engagement with before.
	I mean, like, like, like I said, like, Also, a lot of them live here.
	I feel like I've seen them before.
	I'm just joking now.
	I'm just thinking to myself that this is now my Austin Martin.
	This is now my thing that I don't have.
	Why don't people tell me?
	Why didn't I know about Frank the Turtle?
	I've been betrayed.
	I thought I was big time.
	I'm clearly not one of the cool kids.
	That's going to be the entire caption for this podcast.
	It's going to be like, I thought I was a cool kid, but then Amanda told me I wasn't.
	You know what's funny?
	If anybody really wanted to dox me, I was on a QAA livestream where we talked about how I met them at the rally.
	If anybody who really wanted to dox me and listen to the rally episode of QAA, the podcast episode, they see my name and my Twitter handle.
	I mean, like, but no one ever, I knew no one ever would.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I was like, this is, this is too much work.
	It's much easier to find my previous docs.
	Yeah.
	Um, but that reminded me, that reminded me, like, uh, I would, I, uh, it was, I think it was after, it was after the last HBO, uh, basically the big reveal of Ron Watkins being Q in the HBO documentary series.
	Abby Richards had asked me if I wanted to do a live stream with her, or just call into a live stream.
	I don't know if I had shown my face to anybody before that point.
	So I was like, oh sure, I'll definitely do that.
	And then the whole thing about Ron breaking under Colin's question and admitting to being cute.
	All that kind of stuff happened.
	So she had this live stream, and there were maybe 30 people that attended it, and we just had a blast.
	And after it was over, some dude was like, hey man, your name was on that stream, and I saw your phone number, and you better tighten things up or you're gonna be in some trouble.
	And it was like, 30 people were there, dude, I don't have to worry about it.
	And he's like, I'm like, don't worry, man.
	I'll change my phone number.
	It'll be all good.
	And then, like, the guy was, like, messaging me for, like, weeks after that, being like, like, did you change your number yet?
	Are you safe?
	Have you taken care of it?
	And I was like, uh, guy, buddy, 30 people.
	Like, calm down.
	I'm good.
	Just be normal.
	Just be cool.
	But I will say, I mean, QAA has, like, obviously...
	A fair amount of people listen to their podcasts.
	I would never have gone on their podcast because it's way too many people, but the live streams I did do, the last one, they had to take it down because somebody sent it to me and said, this is you.
	At that point, my docs was already out.
	If my docs hadn't been out, that connection would never have been drawn.
	They obviously searched on Twitter and saw that QA had tweeted that I was on their thing and then listened to it.
	And I have a very distinct manner of speaking.
	But nobody was listening.
	You know what I mean?
	And it's like, the actual fascists I was hanging out with, they're definitely not listening to the QAnon Anonymous livestream.
	So like, whatever.
	But yeah, it's weird.
	It's weird.
	You know, a lot of it's just like knowing how people function and like understanding what someone's most likely to do.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	So what you're basically saying is I need to title this podcast, the interview of Amanda, a.k.a.
	Frank the Turtle, a.k.a.
	Do I get on the boat with Bobby Pickles?
	Okay.
	All right.
	So that event was so fucking nuts.
	So first of all, there's like, some guy who was like Rodgers was like right hand man for the night.
	His name was Eddie.
	And I was like, I'm getting in with Eddie.
	And I got kicked out of the bar.
	Oh, God.
	So I walked into this event, which had changed like six venues, six different times that day.
	And I, it was $120 to get an open bar.
	So I walked to the bartender, gave him a 20 bucks and I said, gin and tonic, as little gin as possible.
	And that was my plan.
	I was like, even if somebody else is getting it for me, he's okay.
	So, cause you can fill up, if you have a little bit of tonic, you could fill it up with water in the bathroom.
	And it looks like you're still drinking alcohol.
	Cause it's still a little fizzy.
	Um, I love your secrets with booze, because I am a teetotaler who doesn't drink any alcohol at all.
	So this is this is double fascinating stuff to me.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like I would just be like, Oh, I can't do shots.
	I have to have gin and tonics and then just um, but I go I'm talking to this woman who I see like, she has like Roger Stone's like square reader because he's selling his t shirts, of course.
	And her and Eddie exchange information and I'm like, she's already talking to me.
	I'm like, this is perfect.
	We go to the bar and there's a 17 year old at this event.
	And now the event is over.
	So now we're in the main bar.
	There's a 17 year old at this event.
	We all know he's 17.
	It was like a big deal because he was very young and he was in a suit and he was in high school and we all talked about this.
	I go to the bathroom.
	I come back.
	She's arguing with somebody who works at the bar and Then they're like, are you with her?
	And I'm like, yeah, I guess.
	And they're like, you're out too.
	Apparently she bought a shot for the 17 year old.
	Son of a bitch.
	We run into some Proud Boys on the street and they're like, oh great, like we are going to the bar over there across the street.
	It's downtown Tampa or whatever.
	They're like, okay, so we follow them.
	And she gets shit-faced and she's just screaming out, I want to fuck a Proud Boy.
	Oh, dear.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, yeah.
	So this is going on and on.
	And then Eddie starts texting her and I'm like, gotta fucking respond to Eddie.
	I'm like dead ass sober.
	And I'm like, we have to go to Eddie because Eddie's with Roger Stone.
	And that is why I'm here.
	Not for you, lady.
	Right.
	So I just take her phone and I'm texting Eddie.
	So we we find we find Eddie.
	We find he's at a cigar bar.
	It's him and Roger Stone and a couple other people.
	So we're invited to attend.
	The two Proud Boys that are with us are coming.
	Her friend is coming with us.
	All of a sudden, the lady disappears.
	And I'm like, whatever.
	I know where I know where Roger Stone is.
	I don't care anymore.
	Yeah, me and the one Proud Boy and the friend like all we're all go to cigar bar.
	We're making progress.
	Everything's good.
	The cigar bar is closed.
	It's only us that are there.
	It's like eight of us.
	We're all talking.
	They're telling me about how Roger Stone's a Proud Boy, and do I know what initiation is?
	And I'm like, yeah, look, we all fucking know.
	Like, what is this?
	What is this?
	This is so weird.
	Why are you... I'm at a Proud Boys event.
	Like, why are you trying to impress me with being a Proud Boy?
	What, actually stupid?
	And then this bitch comes in and announces to us, with the other Proud Boy that we had lost, and announces they had sex in the alleyway.
	Roger Stone looks at Eddie and he goes, Eddie, it's time to go home.
	I love the idea that this woman ruined the vibe.
	She completely ruined the vibe.
	St.
	Roger Hall.
	I'm like, what could I have found out if you hadn't come in here and announced you fucked a Proud Boy in the alleyway?
	Like, why did you have to do that?
	Oh, she was like 55 years old.
	I want to be like super clear.
	Her daughter was my age.
	Oh my god, that's so awesome that this like, this like 55 year old woman was like, I like me screwing a Proud Boy is like my trophy that this is my moment of victory.
	And ruining my journalism.
	Yeah, yes.
	Just all at once.
	This is the people I've been hanging out with for a year.
	Oh, wow.
	That is... That's really, really incredible.
	My mind is blown by the fact that that is the payoff of that event, that you've finally got where you need to be, you finally have everything working the way you need it to work, and then Like, this.
	This thing that, like, literally couldn't happen.
	Like, if this was a story in a movie, you wouldn't believe it.
	It's like an impossibility.
	Really, this is sloppy.
	Sloppy.
	Right.
	Right.
	It's like, this is a DSX Mackinaw that is completely unbelievable, and I refuse to accept it.
	Like, I absolutely refuse to accept that this is, this is how this worked out.
	I was furious.
	Furious.
	Oh, you have to be.
	Oh, I mean, you have to be furious.
	I mean, that's just, that's unreal.
	I was like two in the morning.
	I had put in so much work.
	Oh my God.
	Oh my God.
	I like, I'm like, I mean, like, I mean, this, this, I mean, this is like, what you're saying is like 10 times worse than what I'm about to talk about, but it's like, It's like being at a poker table with a drunk slob who's got like $4,000 in front of him.
	And you've been waiting and waiting and waiting for the one hand where you're gonna get that money from this idiot.
	And like...
	Suddenly the moment happens, and it's gonna work out, and you've moved all in, and you know he's gonna call, because he's stupid and he's drunk, and he's called everybody in the spot all night long.
	And, like, right as he's about to put the chips in, his girlfriend walks over and is like, Sweetie, Snookums, let's go to bed.
	I'm tired.
	I've been shopping all night.
	I've been having fun in Vegas.
	And then he's like, OK, dear, OK, and he throws the cards away, grabs a rack, and leaves, and you're like, NO!
	No!
	Give me that four grand, you fucking moron!
	No, that's my money!
	Why did she show up then?
	No!
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yes, exactly.
	Exactly.
	There was this one night, I was the morning supervisor at the Tropicana in Las Vegas, and my friend worked there and he played in the room.
	And one day I walk in and he knows that of all the things in this world I hate, I hate drunk people.
	And he knows that I have a very tight leash when it comes to throwing drunk tourists out of my room, because I can't tolerate them.
	And I get within 20 feet of the room and he jumps out of his chair and he runs over to me and he's like, there are two drunk Russians that are coming back and you are not fucking throwing them out.
	And I was like, okay, you got it.
	No problem.
	And he's like, you don't understand.
	You're not throwing them out.
	And I was like, okay, you got it.
	You got it.
	You can play the drunk Russians.
	And the sad thing was, is the drunk Russians never came back.
	He never caught them.
	Oh no!
	But it was just, it was just the greatest thing.
	It was just like, Like, this was his life's journey to find these drunk Russians, and apparently they had been giving away money all night long.
	And it was now like 8 o'clock in the morning, and everyone was still playing at the table, and like 5 minutes before I showed up, they had just busted out again.
	The two of them were down like $3,000 for the night.
	And this was a table where you could only buy in $200 at a time.
	And they were still finding ways to lose over $1,000 within an hour.
	$200, burn it!
	$200, burn it!
	They were just in it to win it, to just give the table money.
	But unfortunately, apparently at 8 o'clock they had had their fill.
	And that was the time when they went to the ATM and it didn't give them more money or something and they just stayed away.
	And it was the heartbreak.
	As 8 turned to 8.30, you could just feel the sadness on the table as they knew the trunk corrections were never going to return.
	The glorious, glorious fountain of free money was now being denied them.
	Oh, that sucks.
	That sucks!
	Yes.
	Oh, God. That's one of the things I really haven't talked a lot about in my various experiences is like all the crazy
	shit that I've dealt with in Vegas.
	because uh...
	That town is nuts, in case you didn't know.
	Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan.
	I mean, there's a part of me...
	And that kind of wants to go to Patriot Double Down Part 2 in Vegas, because I know the town so well.
	And I could probably, like, suss out where they're going to be, even though they try to keep their venue hidden until the last possible second.
	And it'd be fun, but unfortunately I am very hard to make inconspicuous because I am a large dude who has the Bobby Baratheon beard and all that kind of stuff.
	So I even think with a shave I probably wouldn't be too tricksy.
	I wonder if I could have gone with a wig.
	It would have been fun to sit there while Redpill78 gave a speech about me.
	That would have been awesome.
	I remember Travis View saying that he was at one convention where some guy was freaking out about him, but they didn't point him out in the crowd.
	I remember that, yeah.
	Yeah, and he was just like, oh man, I dodged a bullet there.
	I wasn't even watching The Patriot Double Down when Zach started talking about me.
	I was doing an interview with Mother Jones, because I was doing a profile with somebody there, and it's been ongoing.
	I've been a source for him in the past.
	Like, I got, like, a text from Alex.
	Karma 2021, like, was messaging me.
	Arizona Writing Watch.
	Everybody was messaging me and I'm just like, it's all on mute because I'm doing this fucking interview.
	Oh my god!
	What?
	Yeah, they're so pissed at me.
	Of course they are.
	Of course they are.
	So funny.
	I met Zach for, like, literally 30 minutes.
	One time.
	Yeah.
	So we had Vegas Nightmare Stories and the Double Down and Bobby Baratheon beards that I currently possess and all that fun stuff.
	So I'm trying to think of like a man because I am also kind of like my brain's turning into tapioca at this point.
	Yeah, it happens.
	Yeah.
	So, I don't know.
	I mean, of the people that you engaged with, was there, like, anyone that, like, just, was there anything that anyone ever said that, like, really, like, kind of surprised you, or like, wow, I really didn't think you were gonna go there with that or anything?
	Was there ever a moment where, like, someone, like, kind of, like, like, put you off balance with a statement of some kind?
	I mean, I know it's a kind of a vague statement, but I mean, there were times where somebody would say something and I'm just like, what in the fuck?
	The first time I ever heard somebody give a recipe for hydroxychloroquine, it was like, put grapefruit peels in the water and the orange peels and put it in the fridge for 30 days.
	I literally, I'm like, what the fuck?
	But nobody who was like... I mean, I'm also so, so numb to it at this point.
	I don't even know what you could say because people I'm hanging out with are talking about forced or maybe voluntary repatriation of people.
	It would just be so hard at this point to shock me.
	I was on Julian's live stream and he was showing me one of his videos trying to shock me and I'm like, okay, whatever.
	My brain's broken, nothing matters anymore.
	Oh yeah, you're just like, I'm dead inside.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	That just like reminded me like when Mike Rothschild did the Knowledge Fight podcast.
	Oh my god, it was so good.
	At one point, Dan and Jordan were like, God damn, man, you are bumming us out.
	And it was just so funny to me that guys dealing with Alex Jones found QAnon too heavy and oppressive for them.
	It reminded me, one of my friends said this to me, and then I said it to a journalist later on when they were interviewing me, that If I don't see the light in the journalist's eyes die by the end of the interview, I have failed to properly convey what is going on.
	I have to crush this person in order to actually get across the point of what QAnon is and what it's all about.
	And that happened in a sense where I was talking to this reporter and at one point they just gave a sigh and they were just like, well, and I was like, yep, there it is.
	I did it.
	The light just went out of her eyes.
	I could feel it.
	Even though we're on the phone, I know I've done it.
	I've had people tell me, or people say to me, they're like, Trump lost and Q stopped
	Why is this still going on?
	And I just tell them like, well, did Christianity end when Jesus got killed?
	I mean, just because like the protagonist has fallen doesn't mean that the legend doesn't continue to grow.
	I mean, so.
	This past year has been really bad for it because now it's a, it's an, it's a real person community.
	You know, where you could go maskless and have fun and live a normal life, no matter how blue the place you lived in was.
	And I think it really, really pushed people over the edge.
	I mean, I'm not completely doom and gloom.
	I think that fascists are useless trash, even the rank and file ones, and I have no interest in redeeming any of them, and I don't give a fuck.
	I think that the average QAnon It's a different world.
	It's a conspiracy theory.
	It's not literal Nazism or adjacent Nazism.
	I think it can be better.
	I think it will be better.
	My doom and gloom is more about fascism than QAnon and conspiracy theories, to be honest.
	Get me talking about populism and I'll really depress you.
	That's where I bring the light out of people's eyes.
	Yeah, and that's really the problem with what's happening with QAnon.
	And it's not even just like Ghost Ezra being a flat-out Nazi or any of that kind of stuff.
	It's the fact that you were having the Republican Party in America becoming literally anti-democratic.
	You're having the woman running for governor of Arizona say, oh, I wouldn't have certified the election if I was governor.
	And you're having the guy running for Secretary of State of Arizona saying the same thing.
	And you now have a political party in America that may, I mean, I don't know who's going to win these primaries, but those two people are endorsed by Donald Trump.
	And you're now having people running for office.
	Under the banner of a major political party that are literally saying, I will end democracy if I win.
	Like if you vote me into office, this will be the last election.
	The next election won't count because I won't accept it if I lose.
	I mean, I mean, we will never have another fair free election again.
	I mean, we've never had them, but we'll have even less of them now because, I mean, this was always the plan.
	That's why, that's why they want to audit the states that Trump won.
	You know, they want to undermine democracy at every possible level.
	And, and they want at the hyper-local level, they want you to harass people and antagonize people and bully their children until they no longer feel safe in office and they quit.
	And then you can take over because you're in the same party.
	And it's fine.
	This is literally what they're telling people to do, and it's what they have done.
	It's what they did in Greenville, South Carolina.
	It's what they're doing all over.
	I mean, I was friends with a precinct captain in Michigan, and he's also a whistleblower.
	And in the crossover, I mean, like, fascists think that QAnon is stupid, and they think that QAnon believers are stupid, but they need them.
	They need their bodies, just like they needed them at the Capitol.
	You know?
	They're the useful idiots.
	You can't have an insurrection about the useful idiots taking up the space while you go do the actual work.
	It's the same thing here.
	It's better to have a QAnon person in the school board, or whatever, because you share the same fundamental beliefs that Donald Trump should be president, or maybe God, and you, you know, you believe that masks are bad, and that coronavirus is fake, and you believe that we need more Jesus, and it's, you know, it's... I mean, I remember, you know, January 5th, the night before the insurrection, there was a whole, it was a whole day, it was a whole day of events at Freedom Plaza, and it was just like, There's like dudes in three percenter shirts and dudes in QAnon shirts just like having a good time eating hot dogs together.
	And I didn't recall another time I'd really seen that before.
	And that meshing together of them and now of the mainstream Republican Party, it's horrifying.
	And it's, you know, I think if you look at what was like fringe a year ago, it's becoming more and more mainstream now.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I mean, I remember conversations where...
	Literally people would ask me, like I was, I saw something, I saw Lin Wood at an event, very small event, maybe a hundred of us, only a hundred tickets, like sold out event, very small, very intimate.
	And like, I remember like someone at my table being like, why does he think that we should audit states that Trump won?
	And I'm like, oh, because what if, what if the city council was on the same ballot and the city council, there's a, a, a rhino, you know?
	And she's like, oh, and it's just like, Yeah, I remember watching Lin Wood say it for the first time I'd heard him say it.
	It's a coordinated effort.
	I mean, it's a Tea Party.
	They're all former Tea Party people that are leading this.
	It is very bad.
	It is very bad.
	And I think it's primarily led by fascists more than it's led by QAnon people.
	But that could also just be the bias that I have of who I was hanging out with because I'm 33 and not 53 and so like...
	Fascists are 33, and QAnon people are 53.
	You know what I mean?
	That's just by nature of my age.
	I just love that you're just like, hey, us Gen Zs are fascists, whereas you boomers slash Gen Xers, you guys are the QAnon people.
	So Gen Z, the guy who organized the American Populist Union, which was one of the most blatantly fascist events I went to, he was 16 years old.
	One six.
	None of the speakers were old enough to get a rental car, except for Joe Kitten and Anthony Zapatini, who are famously elected politicians.
	Ah, man.
	Feeling the light dying my eyes.
	So nice.
	We'll just give you 20 minutes of populism.
	I'll ruin you.
	Oh, man.
	No, it's more like a comfortable old sweater for me.
	I hate having optimism.
	I hate having any joy in my life.
	Just being crushed.
	That's where I'm comfortable.
	That's the good place for me.
	Good, good.
	Yeah, I'm glad to be of help.
	Oh man, I, you had said something and now my follow up question has just like kind of melted in my brain.
	Um, cause it was just like you would, you would, Oh, you know, you had said, Oh, that's what it was.
	You said that Linwood had been pressured to run.
	Was that for his run for the GOP party chair in South Carolina that he was told to run?
	Yeah.
	But, but he ran against the guy who smoked him.
	So like it didn't work.
	Like, Oh, I know.
	I actually DMed Drew McKissack and I was like, bro, if you ever want to do a lawsuit against this guy, you should just fucking call me because I got everything.
	Yeah, he was, you know, a lot of it.
	It's very complicated, I think.
	But I think, you know, the crux of it is people really wanted, like Presley Stutz was really looking for someone to, like, run.
	In that position, and you know, like connections and connections, people know people know people, and like Lin Wood was like, Like, the Golden Goose.
	He was like, there's no way Lin Wood's ever gonna call me back.
	And this is a story they tell publicly.
	So, like, what happened behind closed doors?
	I don't know.
	But, like, they knew enough of the same people that it makes sense that, you know, this would happen.
	And, yeah, so, you know, I think it was a good publicity stunt for the QAnon infiltration movement.
	And, like, it clearly did something because, you know, Lin Wood is quite involved.
	With like local shit in South Carolina, as well as his constant never-ending endorsement of lunatic Candace Taylor for governor of Georgia.
	So he's still being able to put, you know, one foot in each state and kind of meddle in politics there.
	He was talking about running for sheriff in South Carolina, in his local neck of the woods, but I haven't seen him actually put any effort into Linwood for sheriff, as it were.
	Which, given the psych evaluation he was supposed to be given, giving him arresting powers and a gun...
	Again, for those of you who are stuck listening to the audio version of this, Amanda just made waggly fingers at me to indicate that an armed and arresting-capable Lin Wood, probably not the best of ideas.
	Yeah, he's a lunatic.
	He's real.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I feel him and Mike Lindau.
	Somebody needs to intervene and help these people because they are not doing well.
	I think they're also bad people, but they're also not doing well.
	It could be both at the same time.
	Yeah, I mean, it's again, you don't know people from a distance, and I don't know how many times you've been at the bar with Mike Lindell, as it were.
	But Mike just feels like a guy who managed to win the capitalism lottery and have more money than he knows what to do with.
	And he just feels like someone who got pilled and now, I hate to constantly bring up wrestling analogies, but he is what we would call in that business a money mark.
	He's like someone who, if you were a washed up wrestler back in the day, he'll pay you $50,000 to come to his local gymnasium and beat up the local champion of your town or whatever.
	And people are like, oh man, I'm hurting for cash.
	I better call up Mike Lindell and get a couple bookings with him.
	That'll help me pay the rent for the winner.
	And it just feels like, because, I mean, David Montgomery managed to get to Mike Lindell and rook him on those packet captures.
	Anybody who has any ability to screen or investigate people would know that David Montgomery is the most radioactive, toxic, horrible scammer on the face of God's green earth.
	So if you're walking up to David Montgomery with a big sack with the dollar sign written on it and he's handing you a thumb drive, You're the sucker.
	You're the biggest sucker that ever lived.
	And I guess a really good way to describe him because he's actually the only person I've ever felt, I don't feel bad about anything I've ever done in this world, you know, in this context.
	I've occasionally been like, oh, fuck this poor guy.
	And then I'm like, fuck it.
	He sucks shit.
	Like he's trying to overthrow democracy.
	Fuck him.
	But like, I do like, people really love Mike.
	I cannot stress enough, like, It is a genuine, sincere, like, people do not have a reason to lie to me.
	And I mean, like, media people, like, low-level live streamers, like, fascists that I was hanging out with that were, like, like, recruiting me to, like, help overthrow democracy with, like, the congressional staffers that they know.
	It doesn't matter.
	Everybody fucking loves Mike Lindell, and he's so sincere.
	I mean, I'm not comfortable generally saying people are true believers.
	I also don't give a shit because I don't really think it forgives what they've done.
	But I'm absolutely comfortable saying this man is a true believer.
	He is all in and people are protective of him.
	You can't insult Mike Lindell because First of all, he's like a sad puppy when you do.
	When Jordan Klepper made fun of him to his face, he's like a sad puppy.
	He just gets frustrated and upset, and then you feel like an asshole.
	But also, everybody is just like, man, he's so great.
	I'm so excited he's here.
	I don't want to say they love his financial contributions because that makes it sound like He's our friend because he's rich, but like they love that he's willing to like contribute and help people and they're so grateful to him.
	People who got put on a frank speech who prior had like small tiny platforms, now the frank speech is big, but their frank speech credentials allow them to get into all these events for free and like go to stuff and cover it.
	They say, oh man, Mike really saved me.
	Mike really saved what we were trying to do.
	Mike really helped us build a platform.
	They love him and respect him.
	He's a hero.
	He's a god.
	I think more than Flint.
	I just, you know, he's like, because he's like a dumb puppy.
	I think that kind of brings out a feeling in people where if Mike was on my team, I would probably be like, hell yeah, I'll fight someone for him.
	You know, because he's like, he can't take care of himself.
	He's a fucking idiot.
	And I think it's kind of some of that and they just everyone really really loves.
	So when he makes mistakes like that, Most people that I know, again, QAnon rank and file, QAnon media, literal blood and soil fascists, doesn't matter, regular MAGAs, all of them that I know love him.
	I don't know anybody that has a bad thing to say about Mike.
	I bet.
	I mean, it feels like he is an incredibly evil and less intelligent Ted Lasso for the QAnon MAGA community, where he's just so in it to win it and so doe-eyed optimistic about everything.
	I mean- And his accent helps!
	Yep.
	And I mean, I feel like when he put up that $5 million challenge for the packet captures, he probably meant it.
	He probably thought the packet captures were good.
	And there was no way anyone was going to debunk them.
	And then when the moment of truth arrived, and someone was just like, no, Mike, you've been sold the bill of goods, and he had to retract the offer and couldn't show the packet captures to anybody.
	I mean, that had to be so demoralizing to him.
	But like, Even after that all happened, I remember that he was on InfoWars, and Alex was trying to get him to, like, bury David Montgomery, and he wouldn't do it!
	Yeah, you're right.
	He kept saying, no, David Montgomery gave me these magic beans and they are going to grow into a mighty beanstalk and I will be able to climb it.
	And Alex was just like, God damn it.
	I mean, I can't go at this guy because I really need those MyPillow crumbs because this Sandy Hook settlement's coming down the pike and I'm going to need every nickel I can get.
	So I can't actually tell Mike, no!
	David Montgomery, fuck you!
	The packet captures are bullshit!
	Because if I do that, I'm gonna get the sad puppy, and then I'm not gonna get my affiliate link for MyPillow.
	And I can't let Jack Posabeck get all that MyPillow money.
	Fuck that guy.
	Oh my god, that guy sucks.
	You know what, I was at an event once, this is a tall tangent, but somebody said to him, deadass, I was sitting next to her and she was like, Jack, I'm so sorry you had to have a white male as a child because that's the most cancelled human.
	And your child is cursed before, and she was serious.
	I think the child is cancelled because Jax is dad, so I think that's just a cancelled life.
	It's very sad for you out of the gate.
	I can't see him now without thinking about some woman seriously being like, white men have the hardest struggle in this country and I'm so sorry for your child.
	If I ever, like, made fuck you money to the point where, like, I was allowed to, like, just do whatever I wanted and didn't have to, like, bear the repercussions of polite society, I would absolutely get knuckle-tats that said Easy Mode.
	So just to reflect upon the fact that being a white male was the best possible outcome for my birth, that I literally got to play life on Easy Mode the whole way, and I know this, And people will be like, what does that mean, Easyboat?
	I'm like, I'm a white guy!
	Life's easy!
	That's what it means.
	I mean, this is like playing Oregon Trail and you're the banker.
	You get to buy whatever the fuck you want.
	You don't have to go out and shoot the animals.
	You ain't gonna die of dysentery because you eat well.
	You just For the river and wind it's great.
	I mean, so it's just like As I mean, we're now over the two-hour mark and I'm getting particularly punchy but this just is one of those things that like I When I get the arguments with like Christians about like God and heaven and hell and stuff like that.
	I just tell them I'm like So, you're a Christian, and you were born in America, and your parents were Christian, which those, like, your geography and your parentage, like, kind of dictates, like, 90% of your religion.
	Like, all studies have, like, kind of proven that.
	And it just so happens that Christianity is the one true religion, so you're going to get to go to heaven when you die, because this is how it's going to work out.
	Does a kid born in Iran to Shia parents, does he get bonus points for converting to Christianity and getting to heaven because he got there on hard mode?
	I mean, because his path to the Christian heaven is way tougher than yours.
	Way harder.
	Way harder.
	So, I mean, he should get, like, super bonus heaven when he makes it.
	Super bonus heaven!
	Yeah, so I mean, like, come on, like, just, like, explain that to me.
	And they're just like, well, all paths lead to Jesus.
	And I'm like, Dude, you have to admit it's tougher for the kid born in
	Iran and they just won't do it.
	They just won't do it.
	And I'm like, you're just lying to yourself.
	You're lying to yourself and you know it.
	Much as you know that me as an atheist, I know that God is real and I'm just denying him so I can sit with impunity, I know that you're lying about this.
	So just accept it.
	And that's just that conversation.
	Which has nothing to do with anything, but it was just something that popped into my head and this is what you get at midnight.
	Well, I mean, that's a lot of my childhood.
	I would get in trouble for asking questions like that.
	Part of why I'm so interested in QAnon is because it reminds me of my childhood.
	So I actually don't think it's too unrelated.
	It's like, no matter where you are, what your background is, eventually you come to the same conclusion, which is that my belief is right.
	My belief about this thing is right.
	My belief about a thing that we have no objective evidence for and can never have objective evidence for, because the only way you can find out is after you're dead, and dead people don't talk about this shit.
	So, that's one of the things that's always so funny to me when people are having these just incredibly passionate arguments on a Saturday or a Sunday morning about a football game.
	And I'm like, guys, guys, the football game is going to happen in like 12 hours.
	We're going to get a result.
	You don't have to get red in the face about this.
	This isn't like who's going to go to heaven and hell.
	We are going to get a result.
	The teams are going to play.
	There's going to be a game.
	The Browns are going to beat the Steelers or vice versa.
	And someone's going to win money on the gambling and someone's going to lose money on the gambling.
	This isn't a lifelong crisis where you're debating your buddy about what does it mean To be a good Christian and what happens to us after we die, because like, there's results, there's a scoreboard, one number is gonna be bigger than the other number.
	It's not that tough.
	But it doesn't, I mean, nothing matters.
	Like, you can't, you can't reason with people when like, you know, they have the beliefs that they want to have.
	It just is what it is.
	For those of you who know how television production works, it just felt like Amanda had a depth of field camera because she just started walking and the background got all weird and fuzzy.
	And I was just like, what is going on here?
	Is this like a selfie stick that I'm on?
	That was jarring.
	No, just my laptop.
	Picked it up.
	Laptop was dying.
	And how to be charged.
	Oh man.
	So, I guess now that I've, we've now broken the two hour mark, I will again give a vague
	statement about closing remarks or comments or thoughts that you might have and see if
	we accidentally hit hour three or if we wrap this up.
	Either way, I'm punchy and incoherent, so we'll see what happens.
	You know, You gotta leave.
	You gotta save.
	Because I don't know.
	My brain is mush.
	I don't even know.
	That sounds like it's time to call it a day here.
	If your brain is mush, then my brain is mush also.
	I really appreciate you talking to me.
	I have a friend who has been like, he's kind of like the unofficial producer of the podcast, as it were.
	He was talking to everybody about getting VPNs and talking about Cyber security and all this kind of stuff and working on trying to help us running being doxxed.
	And I told him about what was going on with like you getting doxxed and going public and all this stuff happening and all this attention that was occurring.
	And he was like, Oh man, you got to get her on the podcast.
	That would be so cool.
	And I was like, and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna try.
	I'm gonna talk to her because her story is incredibly interesting.
	And the kind of stuff that really, I mean, it's just amazing that you did the work that you did.
	And it's, I'm grateful for it.
	And then I just saw, like, just all the stuff that was going on.
	And I was just like, man, this, like, she has just Touched a nerve that is really something that obviously people care an incredible amount about and then These shitheads got your Twitter account suspended because that's how they operate Yeah, and that's one of the things that like I've learned is that like I am
	I'm incredibly gun-shy about writing certain things when I write them on Twitter, because that really long thread I wrote about Martin Geddes, there was at one point where he was talking about how the vaccine is going to do these things, and we are likely to have very frequent farewells, which was an incredibly euphemistic way of saying that the vaccine is going to kill a lot of people.
	And I wrote my reply out, and my reply originally was, Martin says a lot of people are going to die from the vaccine.
	And then I just looked at those words, die from the vaccine, and I'm like, that could get me mass reported.
	So I literally edited it to say perish from the vaccine, to try to euphemize it and make it softer and not trigger any algorithms.
	And because Uh, the time I got suspended from Twitter was incredibly hilarious and incredibly frustrating to me because I had literally written the same tweet like six times previously.
	I don't know if you know Chapo Trap House and those guys.
	Oh, of course.
	Okay, so you know Chapo.
	But basically, after the 2018 midterms when the Democrats won the House, one of the guys was incredibly drunk and they had a caller call in.
	The drunk host was going on a tirade and he was just like, and he just said, Democrats suck ass, there is no hope!
	And the caller was trying to talk to him and he just yelled at the caller, he was like, kill yourself!
	And kill everyone around you!
	And the other co-hosts were like, no bro, don't!
	No, wrong!
	Don't say those things!
	So, like, whenever anybody would, like, talk about, like, Chappo being, like, pro-Democrat or, like, helping liberals get elected, I would be like, one of the co-hosts actually told people to kill themselves and kill others when the Democrats won the House, so I don't think they're really that pro-Democrat.
	And, like, I had said that a million times, and then, like, one day I said that to somebody, and then, like, five minutes later, BAM!
	12-hour suspension for promoting self-harm!
	And I was, like, I was quoting somebody else, literally in context explained that I was quoting someone else saying something.
	I did not say this.
	This is bullshit.
	It's bullshit.
	And then when I got- It's bullshit, but fucking...
	Matrix and Shady Groove have a Twitter account.
	Fucking bullshit.
	They do?
	Sweet.
	I'm gonna bring that up.
	Send me that link and I will post it to my QAnonIsStillAProblemOnTwitter thread.
	Absolutely.
	I will do that immediately.
	But, yeah.
	Fuck those guys.
	Fuck those guys.
	Yes.
	They used to follow me on Twitter and my fash account.
	Because we were friends.
	Oh, I just... Jeff and I are Facebook friends.
	Or we were.
	I just laugh because all I can think about when you're saying stuff like that is, again, my dumb game of Secret Hitler, where half the players are actual fascists.
	So I just love the idea of Amanda the fascist, who is conning people by pretending to be liberal.
	So yeah, that's just... Got a lot of practice of being a fake fascist, that's for sure.
	Yes, so maybe tomorrow night you'll just have to come up with some sort of Ban Evasion account to be part of the game.
	It'll be great.
	I didn't say any of that.
	I didn't say any of that, Twitter.
	I have never encouraged Ban Evasion.
	You can all shut up.
	I'm already IP banned.
	How?
	Oh, you'll get it on IPBN.
	You'll find a different IP.
	It'll all work out.
	I did that a year ago.
	Now we're back where we started.
	Well, you'll just have to talk to Wyatt, because that guy is literally working on his 500th Ban Evasion account, and it can't stop, won't stop.
	And nothing matters.
	Nothing matters.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	So I will find means by which to keep in touch with you, given the nature of the current social media embargo that you're engaged in.
	Be it semaphore code, carrier pigeon, actual physical telegrams, not telegram the Nazi hellscape.
	Yeah, absolutely.

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