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Adventures in HellwQrld Episode #58: Aussie Lockdown and Patriot Double Down with Karma!

Karma joins L and Mike to talk about Life in HellwQrld in Australia. They also get into the Patriot Double Down and the continuing merger between the Republican Party and QAnon. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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	Hello everybody.
	Mueller episode of Adventures in Hellworld.
	I am Mike Rains, a.k.a.
	Poker and Politics, and I am joined, as always, by the mysterious Elle.
	What's poppin', my beautiful babies?
	And Sarge is off on an undercover mission funded by George Soros, so this week replacing him is Karma.
	Hi!
	Don't be nervous, Karma.
	We're not that scary.
	No, we're not.
	But yeah, so this week with Karma on the show, we were going to be talking about what's happening in Australia, her homeland, which is apparently but a piece on the chessboard of the battle between the Patriots and the Deep State.
	And unfortunately, according to QAnon, that piece has been sacrificed.
	But before we get too deep into what's going on in Australia, we have to let you know that QAnon leads to some bad stuff.
	So here's a content warning.
	Content warning.
	The Adventures in Hellworld podcast talks in depth about QAnon, which means we have to talk about all kinds of child abuse and violence against people.
	Listener discretion advised.
	So you guys just got out of the lockdown, according to all the news that I'm seeing.
	So what was that like and how long was the lockdown?
	Um, so this year's lockdown actually went for, I believe, 112 days or 111 days, actually.
	111 days.
	Um, all up we were in lockdown from the start of COVID to now, 262 days.
	And what exactly entailed lockdown?
	Like what were you allowed to do and what were you not allowed to do?
	Um, we had five reasons to leave home.
	Not many at all.
	So it was basically caring, if you had to care for somebody, if you're an essential worker, shopping, exercise.
	You were allowed to exercise for like an hour.
	So it was very limited and we also had curfew as well.
	Oh my God, because I remember we had a lockdown like that in America for like a month, and oh my God, you have never met a bigger bunch of babies than Americans in lockdown.
	Oh, the pouting.
	Oh, the plight.
	Oh, I can't get my hair done.
	Do you have any idea the pain and oppression that I feel as an American not being able to see my professional hairstylist?
	Oh, the idea of a nearly a year-long lockdown with that kind of restrictions.
	Like, I can't even comprehend that.
	That had to be, on some level, pretty maddening.
	See, it didn't really bother me too much, but I know... I got to work from home, so nothing really changed for me.
	But other people, obviously businesses, were suffering.
	And a lot of businesses have closed down here.
	They'll never open again.
	And even I think it's as of today, um, even it's only just retail stores starting to open now.
	And even then it's only like 10 patrons inside.
	Um, so it's still, we're still not fully, you know, just, yeah, go do whatever you want.
	It's not like that.
	Yeah, so it's still pretty not great.
	So, I have a follow-up question.
	So, I just don't know very much about how Australia's been handling the COVID epidemic or pandemic or whatever.
	How is sort of like the, you know, in America we've got this dreadful surge of anti-vax, anti-mask people.
	Is that also plaguing in Australia and to what extent?
	So, we've had quite a few big protests.
	They've sort of built over time.
	They're not just anti-vax.
	You've got a mixture of everything, pretty much, with the protests.
	You've got, obviously, you've got businesses and then you've got your conspiracy anti-vax.
	They're all just sort of merged all into one at the moment.
	Um, and they've been holding them pretty regular.
	Um, we had one, uh, would have been about just under a month ago, I think, where they took over one of our biggest bridges, um, in Melbourne.
	Um, and when I say took over, they actually were jumping on people's cars.
	Um, it was pretty horrendous the way they were carrying on, they were pulling people out of cars and stuff.
	Which didn't do them any favours, really.
	It made a lot of people just look at him like, well, what a bunch of dickheads.
	And, you know, chalk up a win in the column for the good guys, because, you know, if at the end of your rallies or protests, the end result is the population at large looking at you just being like, what a bunch of dickheads.
	I mean, like from the stories I heard, you know, there were people in those cars that had kids in the car and stuff, and they were watching all that, you know, they weren't just marching, they were drinking as they were doing it.
	So they were pretty much out of control.
	And they were playing cat and mouse with the police.
	The police didn't want to go onto the bridge because they didn't want to cause accidents or have them do anything stupid with the cars on the bridge.
	So it was like a big full day of cat and mouse with the police.
	I remember seeing a protest somewhere in Australia.
	I hope I'm right about this, but the protesters actually broke the police line and were running through it.
	And it was just like, what is the goal of running through this police line?
	What is on the other side, you dum-dums?
	Why did you break that police line?
	Did you think you were scoring a goal in soccer or something?
	Like, we did it!
	We made it past the police!
	Now we can run across this field!
	They were just playing Blue Rover.
	Yes!
	And I'm pretty sure that was the same day.
	So it was here in Melbourne, but I'm pretty sure that was the same day.
	I've never seen anything like it here.
	Never.
	And the bridge that they actually went over actually collapsed many, many, many years ago.
	And a lot of people died on that bridge.
	So a lot of people were not happy with what they did and the way they did it.
	And on top of that, they tend to Head to our memorial as well and protest there because they know the police won't sort of go across that line and they'll stand there and sort of, you know, Hey, yeah, come on.
	Get away from the memorial guys.
	This is kind of sacrilegious.
	So what, what is the memorial about?
	So it's basically the Anzacs that went to war and stuff.
	So, but they, they just tend, like they've even turned around and sort of had a go at the protesters this time as well.
	Because they had a standoff with the police there for, I don't know, three or four hours.
	They just wouldn't move because they were too scared to move because they knew what would happen once they got off it.
	Right, right, right.
	They're like, I've put myself in this quote-unquote safe zone, but the moment I leave it, I now enter the arrest zone.
	So I really don't want to leave the safe zone.
	And because obviously it's got to a point now where the police are using, you know, projectiles and different sort of tactics and then it's all, Cry me a river because I've been hit and I got hurt and, you know, and you just sort of like, tough luck.
	You went out there, dude.
	Like, I've got no sympathy for him.
	I've got none.
	It makes me laugh so much just listening to a person from a civilized country being like, well the police were escalating their levels of non-lethal violence to even this level of non-lethal violence, whereas here in America it's like if a cop sees you and they don't like you, you're just dead.
	They just kill you.
	They'll shoot you twice in the chest and then ask you to put your hands up.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, the way that the Aussies were acting, they were acting like that though.
	That's what's happened to them.
	Oh my God.
	I just got hit with something, you know, and oh my God, I'm dead.
	I got hit with a beanbag round and nobody knows my plight.
	It's like, try coming to America and see how long it takes for a police officer to use more than a beanbag round on you.
	Like, yeah, our police force in America is just literally armed.
	There's just an occupying army that is terrified of the people around it, and thus responds with deadly force in almost any situation.
	Especially if any brown people are involved.
	Oh boy, you better believe the Deadly Force is the only force if any people involved are brown.
	It's just like, oh, non-whites are here?
	Just lock and load.
	Make sure you got one chambered up for this incident, whatever it is.
	You're trespassing!
	Blame him!
	It's over!
	You're trespassing again!
	Honestly, we are almost numb to it, but if you watch the videos of Tamir Rice or John Crawford getting shot, it's literally a cop just rolling up on them, and immediately, the moment they have line of sight on the guy, they just shoot him.
	They just shoot them, and it's just so...
	Outside of America, that has to look so horrifying.
	And you have to have this image of our country as just this absolute nightmare hellscape where the police are allowed to do these things and they don't get charged for a crime for doing them.
	It's mind-blowing.
	Anyhow, let's just in general like so this is the part this is the segment of the show where I reveal Something embarrassing and sad about myself, you know, it comes up every once in a while But so I'm scrolling through my newsfeed Like the other day just getting caught up on news of the world and news for my country or whatever and I see that that that the the Boise mall shooting or whatever was happening and And so I saw the headline, and it said that two people were killed in a mall shooting, and I didn't even bother to read the story, because it was only two people.
	And then, like, I scrolled past it, and just immediately felt incredibly guilty that I was just like, ah, two people doesn't even register.
	Two people died in a horrible shooting.
	That's not enough to get my views.
	It's fucking madness.
	Our country is horrible.
	Yeah.
	And speaking of the whole gun thing, this is a segue back to Australia.
	We have been endlessly told by QAnon that all of this happened to your homeland, Karma, only because you good people don't have guns.
	And if the citizens of Australia were only armed to the teeth, you wouldn't have been locked down.
	I think I read that so often.
	And it's just like, We were never like that.
	Even when we had guns, it didn't make a difference.
	We weren't like America with our guns.
	Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the gun control laws a little more lax in Australia before you guys had like one big tragedy and then everybody just sort of got together and were just like, guns are the worst!
	Yeah, like we didn't, I mean, we still, we had shootings, but it wasn't anything, you know, there's no comparison whatsoever to America.
	Um, but we're like, I mean, we're pretty free with them and stuff.
	And I mean, we still, people still have guns here, um, for certain things.
	Um, but yeah, it's the main thing I read everywhere.
	It's just like, you know, you know, it's all your fault.
	You gave away your guns.
	You know, if you didn't give away your guns, you could have, you know, taken back your country.
	And I've even said it to him a few times.
	You have guns.
	I don't see you doing anything with yours.
	And I just don't get it.
	Like, We never had guns the way they're making out.
	Like, even if we did have guns, it would have changed anything.
	Oh, everyone just likes to talk tough about guns and how they would, how the gun is this great equalizer against government power.
	But then you smash cut to the 1-6 protests and the riot in the Capitol.
	And after the fact, after it was all said and done, so many of those people were packing, but they didn't draw their guns because they knew that if they did draw their guns, that they would get into a firefight with Capitol Police and that would probably go bad for them.
	And, And it's it's it's just this whole thing where they want to have the threat of an armed populace like the people will one day take their guns and rise up but they don't actually want to do it because they know that the vast majority of people don't want to get shot and the idea of like fucking with cops or fucking with the army is
	That's how you get shot.
	We've talked about this on the podcast several times.
	They know in their heart of hearts what escalating to that level of violence is.
	If you pull a gun, the army pulls a drone.
	That's the Chicago way.
	There's no coming back from that.
	If you storm the Capitol with batons and bear mace and stuff, You'll get out of there and maybe get arrested and do some time.
	If you go and try to march out the Capitol and you draw and start firing weapons, then like, it's gonna be a bloodbath and probably not in your favor.
	Right, exactly.
	I mean, that's the thing.
	I saw this video clip.
	Karma may have seen it too.
	It was out yesterday and today, I think, where some random jamoke was at a Turning Point USA rally, and he just asked Charlie Kirk point-blank, he's like, how many elections do we have to let these people steal before we start grabbing our guns and killing them?
	And Charlie Kirk's response was, don't do that because it won't work.
	But his response was not killing is wrong.
	His response was killing is ineffective, which was kind of horrifying.
	But that's where they want people to be, with this headspace, where they're at this mentality of, Our enemies are bad and at some point we, the armed resistance, are going to have to start shooting them.
	But not today because I don't want them to return fire because that is scary and bad and will probably get me killed.
	Well, before we segue into the headlines, we sort of just skipped past it because we were so excited to talk about the lockdowns.
	But just for our listeners who may not know what Karma's deal is, Karma, do you want to tell everybody what your deal is?
	We've recommended your Twitter feed several times on the show before because it's great, but what's your bag?
	Sort of like, what's your bag?
	Like, how did you get into this Q stuff?
	So, March last year, I had a friend who fell into the whole Q movement
	and I had no idea what it was.
	and So I basically went looking, I guess.
	Started digging.
	Would you say that you started to do your own research?
	No, I use the term digging.
	Specifically, no, I will not fucking say that.
	I went digging.
	I went digging.
	There's a difference.
	I made sure I did not say research.
	Yes, and I mean I tried to sort of debunk some of the things very early on and he doubled down on pretty much everything and Within, I don't know, it was probably weeks to a month, he went and got tattoos with Where We Go One, We Go All, Q. And I somehow found poker.
	And I think I did your head in.
	For quite some time it was asking you questions.
	Yeah, and I mean, I tried every tactic I could to try to get him out.
	The only time I actually had any luck with him was when all his social media accounts were banned for 30 days.
	He seemed to be a lot more responsive to that, but as soon as he got them back, it was, see you later.
	Oh yeah, that's one of the biggest things about this stuff is that you need that constant reinforcement of the narrative and the doctrine and getting people away from that is one of the ways to drain that poison out of them and try to get them back to reality.
	But the lockdown was so devastating for that because you couldn't get away from your computer.
	You couldn't.
	Basically, you couldn't leave your church, because that's basically what the internet was for these people.
	It's their place to congregate and talk about these conspiracies and live this life.
	Because QAnon got big before COVID, and I would have people ask me, like, what do I do?
	And I would tell them, go camping with that person for a week.
	Get them off the internet.
	Just get this stuff away from them as best you could.
	And then COVID hit and I was like, well, that whole idea of taking them camping or getting them away from civilization's gone.
	So we're fucked.
	I mean, it was just so depressing that that happened.
	So this, so the friend of yours is now, is still like totally red-pilled and they're... So I pretty much, I think, when was it?
	So he was all, you know, Trump won, you know, it was rigged and he's gonna, You know, be back in, in January.
	And I said, and what if he, what if he isn't?
	And he said, I'll stop.
	January came.
	Nope.
	He just doubled down again and went, nah, he won, he won, he won.
	And I obviously tried a bit longer.
	Didn't work.
	My last thing that I actually did was send him a clip of the very last part of Colin's HBO documentary and went, there you go.
	I never got a response, but I've never heard from him again.
	But I do know that he's still into a mix of Q, but sort of moved over a lot to the COVID conspiracies as well.
	Well, that's because QAnon will take all comers when it comes to conspiracy theory nonsense.
	If Trump winning the election secretly is not trending well enough, then they'll just move along to whatever conspiracy theory is.
	Right now, that COVID-19 is hot, hot, hot!
	Oh, absolutely.
	I mean, that's what it's all about, is just keeping the paranoia and keeping the mindset going strong, no matter what.
	Whatever the topic of the day is, have a hot conspiratorial take on that theory, on that thing.
	So that's how they operate, that's what they do.
	Yeah, QAnon is J. Jonah Jameson, and whatever the hottest conspiracy theory of the day is, is pictures of Spider-Man!
	Yes, exactly!
	Well, joking aside, it does suck that you had to lose a friend to the QAnon movement.
	to be to like get engaged with any of this stuff but it is nice to have you like you know fight fighting on twitter on the on like the the digital front lines against the digital soldiers But really just out there trying to spread the actual message of just like, hey, all this stuff is nonsense, just read this stuff.
	Usually I use your Twitter feed as a way to aggregate dumb QAnon stuff for me to peruse through, and I'm just constantly scratching my head that anyone could read What they're actually putting out there or listen to their speeches at places like the Double Down and all that stuff.
	To me it's so plainly apparent that it's just dumb nonsense, but I'm just like, oh my god, to some small percentage of people in the world, this reads as truth, and that is terrifying to me.
	Yeah.
	So it's nice to have somebody out there collecting all that stuff for me so that I don't have to sift through it myself.
	Because ain't nobody got time for that.
	I think that's one of the biggest things, like obviously, you know, telegrams are not a very nice place at best times.
	And I do get a lot of comments saying, you know, that they're glad that I actually go over there rather than them.
	I don't mind.
	Yeah, it's brilliant work.
	It's like genuinely incredibly helpful to myself.
	Sarge, I know, has expressed his appreciation for what you do.
	I'm sure Mike is right there with us.
	So, you know, on behalf of everyone involved in the Adventures of Hellworld podcast, we really think that what you're doing on Twitter is useful and helpful.
	So we're glad to have you, even if the circumstances that got you here were unfortunate.
	Yeah, and I was super thrilled that you were able to cover the Patriot Double Down because my day job is designed to keep me, like, just trapped away from the world on weekends, which is usually when these wacky conventions and all sorts of other nonsense happen.
	So I think it's time to get into the Patriot Double Down.
	So it's time to talk about cues in the news.
	From the digital headlines to the digital front lines, it's cues in the news.
	So we had the Patriot double down and there's so much nonsense that happened here.
	I think we'll tackle kind of like the most important thing first, which is that we had a bunch of people running for Secretary of State in different states in America.
	Come out on the stage and talk about how they were totally cool with what was going on in QAnon.
	I mean, not those words, but it's obvious because they're at the Patriot Double Down.
	And 107, who we're going to be talking about a lot here, was basically implicating that this is part of QAnon's, like, bold agenda.
	Their big strategy is to have People that believe in this bullshit win elections as Secretaries of State in various states so that when elections happen in those states and the wrong person wins, you have a Secretary of State who'll be like, nope, they didn't win.
	Fraud.
	Stolen election.
	Rigged.
	Whatever.
	And they just are going to try to throw that election in the trash and literally deny the people of that state their right to vote.
	So here's a question about that strategy.
	It certainly sounds terrible, right?
	But if the strategy is to elect Q Believers to the position of Attorney General, or whatever, so that way, when it comes to these voting processes, they can throw those out just being like, voter fraud!
	It was rigged!
	Doesn't it fall on the people in power?
	At that point, doesn't the question be like, well, how is there such rampant voter fraud under your watch?
	Like, you have your hand on the wheel.
	How are you allowing so much voter fraud to happen in your state?
	I don't think they actually want to, uh, like, explain these things.
	They want the voter fraud to be just this nebulous, monstrous, unstoppable force that they have no control over.
	All they can do after the fact is point it out and, like, make vague noises about maybe next time we'll be able to stop it.
	But they don't actually want to, um, They were.
	like explain how they're going to proactively prevent it.
	They only want to throw the election in the trash after the
	voter fraud that they allowed to happen under their watch
	happened. So, Karma, what that was day three of the roundup when those people were all on the stage. I know Fincham was
	up there. Who are the other secretaries of state that were
	people running for it?
	They were. Sorry, I had them all written down, but they're right
	down the bottom and I was at the top of it.
	Not a problem.
	So, on the last day, Wendy was obviously there.
	Wendy Rogers, resident QAnon nut for those not totally on the ball of these things.
	Wendy Thomas, burger heiress.
	Yes!
	You see her whenever you order your Baconator.
	So it was Wendy, Mark, Finchman is it?
	Yeah, that's Finchman.
	That's the Arizona guy.
	Yep.
	Um, Sonny Borrelli.
	Oh yeah.
	Yep.
	Arizona state guy.
	Yes.
	And now I don't know how to say this one's last name.
	Leo by something or other.
	I don't know how to say his name.
	Oh, just butcher it.
	We're bad with names here, too.
	Like Suki or something like that.
	I think I know who you're talking about, yes.
	The best part is that we're not journalists.
	We're just idiots on the internet, so no one comes to our podcast expecting us to get people's names right, or hopefully even to really get information correct.
	I mean, we try, but we're not journalists.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So they were some of them.
	I think there was also.
	Yeah, I'm seeing that like Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Georgia and California, which had people that were running for Secretary of State in those states.
	I'm sure that guy in California.
	There was a Rachel Hamm.
	Yep.
	That's one of them.
	But I'm sure the person in California is going to do great.
	They're going to, they're really going to make it.
	So what the hell were all of these people doing at the Double Down?
	Were they just there to like, you know, do a little dance on the stage and just be like, Hey, QAnon believers, we're in your corner.
	We also think that Trump somehow won that election from a year ago.
	Well, they were, I mean, their main thing, talking point was the election fraud.
	Sorry, were you going to say something?
	No.
	The floor is yours, Karma.
	Thanks.
	I mean, that was their main talking point.
	I mean, there was a lot of... I don't know.
	I honestly think Wendy is pilled.
	Oh, there's no doubt, Wendy.
	I just found it.
	Rachel Hamm is actually the person running for Secretary of State in California.
	So she's the one running for office to get a blue checkmark from Twitter and pretend that she's doing anything.
	Aint gonna happen but Fincham is running in Arizona which is like super scary so I mean and also someone running in Michigan is super scary because that's another state that was not really that close but Trump did win it in 2016 so it's a possibility so like these people trying to get Worm their way into the halls of power in states that could actually matter during these elections is not great.
	But what I was also going to mention is that David Byrne, our boy from Overstock, him and Mike Lindell are people that are also funding this operation.
	So it's like you've got the whole rogues gallery of QAnon sugar daddies out there working on this plan to Effectively try to destroy American democracy, because if these people get what they want, we're going to be in a situation where we're going to have a vote and then they're going to say, no, you didn't have a vote.
	You can go fuck right off, which...
	is really antithetical to everything where this country is supposed to stand for and yet QAnon doesn't care because as long as they win they're happy and when they lose they're sad and the only way they can lose is if they were cheated because everyone loves them even though everyone hates them.
	I mean the silver lining is that clearly culturally like and you know in terms of our our gen like the overall political leanings of the country clearly The left is doing something right because, you know, they wouldn't have to be fighting and scrambling so hard to undermine democracy if there was a chance that they could just win clean.
	Like, if they could just put up a candidate and just win an election clean because their platforms were good, we wouldn't need any of this horseshit, right?
	So, it means that the silver lining to all the terrible shit happening in our country right now, and the rippling effect it's having on the rest of the world, is that, you know, it's sort of bearing out what you and I have been saying for years and years now, where it's just like, over time, everything gets more liberal and more progressive, and these, like, old-fuck conservatives are just gonna keep dying off, and that base is eventually gonna continue and continue to erode, to the point where, like, at this point, The people that are still alive are, like, backed into our quarter.
	They're just like, okay, winning is impossible.
	How do we cheat?
	Exactly, exactly.
	I did want to ask Karma a quick question here about like, quote unquote, liberalism versus conservatism.
	How funny is it to you that Scott Morrison, who is like a crazy conservative and was a massive Trump bootlicker, is like just universally hated by QAnon and all these conspiracy theorists as a deep state lapdog when he is the right wing candidate in your country?
	Well, if you, with all our QAnon people, they pretty much believe that everybody in our government, doesn't matter who, is part of the deep state pedophile Freemasons.
	Like, I don't think there is one that they like in our government at all.
	Wow, I haven't heard any Freemason panic in a while.
	I thought none of the Freemasons were played out.
	Are they still a thing in Australia?
	Oh, in Australia, yes.
	Yes.
	That's crazy.
	Yes.
	It was funny.
	Literally, this genuinely happened.
	This isn't just a bit for the podcast.
	Last week or the week before, while driving around in my town, I was parked behind or waiting in a light behind a car in front of me, and they had a Freemason sticker on the back of their car.
	And I was just like, huh, I haven't thought of the Freemasons in a long time.
	Yeah.
	I mean, our police are all pedos.
	Yeah.
	Everyone down here is pretty much.
	I don't think there's anyone in our government.
	Oh, there's a couple that obviously are sort of gone to the conspiracy side a little bit.
	But, majority of them?
	Yeah, no.
	As a quick follow-up to that, I know that Burn Spy is, like, personal friends with Morrison, and I think, like, Negan HQ is also someone who's kind of associated with, like, people in power in Australia.
	Like, I haven't, like, been keeping up with those two clowns.
	Like, how do they take it that, like, their boy... Because, like, Burn Spy got Morrison to say something about satanic ritual abuse in a speech at some point.
	How are those clowns taking Morris and selling out to Soros?
	I haven't actually seen anything from those two.
	Like, I don't know.
	Are they still on social media anyway?
	I haven't actually followed him myself.
	I think we're in spies on Gab, but it just, it's really funny.
	It's like you are the closest, you are basically Australia's version of like a friend of Trump.
	You're like kind of like a lesser known Roger Stone pal of like the big guy.
	And then you turn around and your conspiracy theory is like, Oh yeah, by the way, the big guy sucks.
	We hate him.
	He's bad.
	It's just like, no!
	The big guy was my juice!
	That's where I was getting my pull from, was him being good in your eyes.
	Now he's bad.
	So, but anyways, back to the Double Down.
	So the star of the, the belle of the ball, the star of the show, besides Jim Watkins singing his song because his son was running late, was secret guest speaker Juwan 07.
	So give us a little detail.
	That can't be how that's pronounced.
	I'm going to make you do another read on that one.
	I'm not sure how it's pronounced either.
	Isn't it 1-0-7?
	It could be.
	It could be 1-0-7.
	I mean, I'm pretty sure that the pronunciation... Well, just give him a nickname.
	Yeah, let's just call him Juanio or something.
	Yes!
	Let's call him Osaivan or something, I don't know.
	I mean, I'm almost 100% sure that the first name is not supposed to be pronounced Jwan.
	I don't think that that name has ever been pronounced Jwan by any non-Caucasian person in history.
	I bricked the first name really hard and I fully acknowledge and accept that.
	Jwan!
	I don't know how I even said it!
	It didn't even sound like that in my own ears!
	Oh my god, I'm horrified!
	But, so, anyways, explain to us who Osaven is, and why he was so controversial at the Double Down.
	Well, you probably know a bit more about him than I do, I think.
	His background, as much.
	But, because, and unfortunately for us, the ones that were streaming it, our streams all cut out, which were quite Disappointed at.
	I mean, they literally cut out.
	It was obviously deep state interference.
	Yes!
	It literally cut out when he got on the stage.
	We did not get the stream back.
	We did manage to, well, I didn't, but a few others managed to get onto another stream of it, but the picture quality and stuff wasn't that great.
	But yeah, like, I don't know.
	Yeah, the deep state definitely, Did something there and we were just like, hang on, wait, the main person and the whole stream just, and it was actually looking at the Telegram channels and that people were going, oh, like, because that's what they had built him up so much.
	And then the stream was cut.
	It's like you get into the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl and suddenly the feed cuts out.
	You're like, no!
	What's going on?
	It got really nasty in channels.
	They were literally going off and saying, I want my money back.
	It was really nasty over there.
	And the admins were deleting them and blocking them.
	You would think at this point they would be intimately familiar with the feeling of having a bunch of buildup to absolutely no payoff.
	That is the ride that they have been riding since the beginning of QAnon.
	It's literally just, oh don't worry guys, according to me, Hillary's getting arrested tomorrow, just you wait.
	And then tomorrow comes and goes and she's not arrested and they're just like, yeah but still.
	Right, exactly.
	Now coming to the stage, Wan 07!
	And then the feed cuts out.
	It's just like, well, what happened to Wan?
	And it's just like, yeah, but still.
	They did this big build up where, you know, like they had him, you know, get out of his car, like his car pulled up and, you know, he got out and he, you know, walked to the stage.
	And that probably lasted like five minutes, just watching him get out of the car and stuff.
	Oh yeah, they gave him like a heavyweight boxer's big introduction to the ring where they're getting ready to fight Rocky for the world title.
	Yeah, all of that.
	Yeah, and then as soon as he hit the stage, it was just like, gone.
	And we're like, huh?
	What?
	That is so QAnon to the letter, as Elle said.
	It's just so perfect that they spent all this time building this guy up, hyping him, and also QAnon Jon, the guy running the Patriot Double Down, spent a lot of time defending this guy because Oh say he is this uh Juan is an incredibly larpy dude and what I mean by that is he says things that are bullshit that are obvious bullshit he is someone who uh just says anything to get a rise out of people and to get them excited and happy and he doesn't care about being debunked or disproven because he knows that bullshit sells he knows that
	Just being confident and braggadocious and saying whatever the fuck it is you want to say, you're going to get an audience that wants to be placated.
	And people like the group from We The Media that is mostly spearheaded by Jordan Sather.
	He's not the leader, but he's the leader of the anti-Juan group.
	They hate this shit because they just want to pretend that they're all about like facts and evidence and I got all these reams of data showing that the vaccine's bullshit and it's bad for you and you should drink bleach instead and blah blah blah.
	And when you have a guy that's just an absolute clown like Juan show up for your rally, it exposes the fact that QAnon is clown town, and they hate that.
	And hilariously, I think I brought this up to Karma when she posted something about Sather saying, I'm home from the Double Down.
	I'm going to give my thoughts on it in a little while.
	Don't you worry, guys.
	And I messaged Karma, and I was like, Karma, did Sather even speak?
	Because he was advertised as a speaker on this thing.
	And then she was like, oh, no, he didn't.
	He didn't speak.
	And that was really funny that Sather was so upset by Juan getting the big introduction and the star appearance and all this kind of stuff that he was like, you know what?
	I ain't going to go on stage.
	I ain't going to talk to this crowd.
	No, you guys ruined it.
	I'm taking my ball and going home, literally.
	Yep.
	Literally.
	You can get the Juan or you can get the John, but you can't get both.
	Yes!
	So, like, feed cutting out notwithstanding, do we know what Juan's must-listen-to message was?
	Because they were advertising his presence as being super important, so what the fuck did he actually say?
	I know all I can tell you is some of the things he spoke about.
	I know he spoke about obviously COVID.
	He spoke about 9-11.
	He spoke about the Oklahoma City bombing and he spoke about the White Hats are erasing debts.
	Oh, so he just did it all.
	He did 9-11 trutherism, he did Jisera, Nisera, because that's what debt erasure is all about.
	That's that nonsense.
	That's like the re-evaluation of the Iraqi Dinar bullshit.
	So it's like that, to me, That, like, literally sounds like a speech that, when Juan gave it, I could just see, like, Sather either offstage listening to it, like, and then, like, halfway through the speech, he just, like, storms up to his hotel room and begins, like, angrily throwing his socks into his suitcase, and being like, I'm getting fucking out of here!
	I can't take this shit!
	Fucking Ysera Nysera bullshit!
	Because that is that level of hopium, that level of just absolute nonsense.
	Me and Elle, like eons before QAnon, we lost a friend to this stuff.
	And like, I would say that like three, four years ago, I bumped into them on social media.
	And that guy doesn't know who I am or any of that kind of stuff when it comes to the anti-QAnon stuff, but he was promoting to me buying physical silver even now.
	That stuff, that get-rich-quick through precious metals stuff, We'll never die.
	It will exist in eternity as a conspiracy theory that like the American economy is going to crater any second now and you need to get off the dollar and like get into Bitcoin or gold or anything else because that's just the way you're going to save yourself in the new future.
	Yeah.
	So King Clown of the Patriot Double Clown, thank you, thank you.
	So he just went up there and just did a shotgun blast of conspiracy theory retreads?
	He just had no new material, huh?
	No, it was pretty much that.
	Well, that's about what, I mean, again, like, see, I, who have been riding a different but parallel QAnon ride, I am used to the build-up to nothing.
	You know, it's like a roller coaster, where it goes up a hill, but then it just never goes down a hill.
	It just plateaus, and you're just, like, calmly riding, level, like, and it's totally fine.
	So, like, that is about what I expect.
	They're just like, oh, you'll never believe what 107 has to say.
	And what he has to say is, like, he's talking about terrorist activity from 25 years ago, from 35 years ago, you know, just a bunch of nonsense that amounts to nothing.
	And then he's just like, and don't forget, Jews are bad, thank you!
	And then leaves the stage or whatever.
	Yeah, good stuff.
	Yeah.
	I was just imagining in my head that roller coaster where you go up a hill then you just see this giant crane dragging the roller coasters on a straight line through the rest of the track until it stops.
	And I don't know why that visual is so appealing to me.
	But one of the things that made this so funny, and the disappointment you just stated, is that Once, like, quote-unquote, serious QAnon found out about Juan being at the Double Down and getting a major speaking gig, people were really mad at QAnon John about this.
	And QAnon John's defense was, no, guys, you don't understand.
	He's got something to say that's so explosive, we had to put him on the show.
	He's gonna, like, just rip the lid off the deep state.
	And then he just comes up there and is like, 9-11 was an inside job and the CIA and Pappy Bush killed Kennedy and Bargain, bargain.
	Fluoride in the water ain't good for you, and COVID's a lie.
	And here are some people running for Secretary of State.
	You should vote for them, because they're going to end American democracy.
	Joanne Allen.
	Hillary Clinton and Timothy McVeigh?
	Same person.
	Thank you!
	Yes!
	Yeah, I mean, like that.
	I mean, it's just like, it's like, no, Juan actually wasn't important.
	He didn't actually say anything big.
	I think it was because they had him back, obviously, the next day.
	Yep.
	And he introduced, I think it was, it wasn't the director, but it was somebody to do with The movie, the Operation Underground Railroad.
	It was Jim Caviezel, our boy, our beautiful baby boy, Jim Caviezel.
	Well, they had another one on before then as well, though.
	Yeah, I don't know who it was.
	It wasn't the director of the movie, though.
	It was somebody to do with the movie.
	So he introduced them first, and then they played, obviously, the trailer for that movie.
	And then he introduced Jim, who went on that rant.
	Yeah, and Jim Caviezel has decided that he's made enough money in Hollywood, he's done with this shit.
	Because Caviezel's speech, I've read a bunch of it, I've seen some of the clips.
	Did the clips you saw of Caviezel's speech truly get to the meat of it?
	Or was there anything that was left on the editing room floor that you saw, Karma, that was something of note from Caviezel?
	Because I know he concluded with, where we go one, we go all, which is not good if you're a sane, rational human being.
	Well, he did.
	I know he said, the storm's upon us.
	He used that line.
	Oh, great.
	Yeah, he said, we're heading into the storm, the storm is upon us.
	Yeah.
	Did he directly bring up adrenochrome this time?
	Because I know Stella Emanuel, the demon sperm doctor lady, she brought up adrenochrome at some point in the Double Down.
	So that, like, thing that QAnon likes to try to keep the normies away from was front and center at their little rally.
	He didn't really bring up that, but he did, you know, sort of push the whole, the world is controlled by Satan and I don't know.
	And yeah, so he did push along those lines.
	Um, but his whole rant was just, I don't know.
	I think I zoned out somewhere through it.
	Oh, he's a terrible public speaker.
	I mean, he is, I mean, it is, you.
	That man having a Hollywood career is just... it's mind-blowing.
	It's like one of those things where you just look at this guy and you're just like, how?
	Because if you've listened to the QAnon Anonymous podcast about him, he is literally dumber than a brick.
	He cannot remember his lines.
	He literally has a stage hand either holding cue cards behind the actor he's engaging with to read off those cards, or he has his script put into a note that he holds in his hand and he just glances down at his hand to read his lines during scenes.
	Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, don't dismiss Jim Caviezel out of hand because I think that our get-rich-quick scheme should be to write a movie script.
	Me and you are going to write a screenplay for a movie like a conservative rom-com starring Gina Carano and Jim Caviezel.
	Yes, we need to talk to Ben Shapiro about that immediately.
	We can get Kevin Sorbo in there in some bit part.
	Absolutely.
	Maybe rope in a little Roseanne action.
	Let's get it done.
	Roseanne and Christy Alley can be bridesmaids at the wedding.
	I see this.
	I can workshop this.
	This is a possibility.
	This is how we are going to sell out brutally hard and brutally fast.
	Unless, of course, we can get our boy Ron Watkins on the podcast.
	You need to shoot that shot, for real.
	Yes, we should.
	Ron Watkins, standing invitation to join the podcast.
	I will post that on the Hellworld social media, on the Hellworld Twitter feed, on my own personal feed.
	I will make this clear.
	Ronnie Boy, if you ever want to show up on a QAnon-branded podcast, We're the one.
	We're the one for you, boy.
	We've got Q in our podcast name and everything.
	Come up on here and just, you know, just... You want a platform?
	We'll give you one.
	It might not be the platform you were expecting, but boy howdy, we'll give it to you.
	Yes, we will yesterday give you the platform.
	I promise not to explicitly just address you as Q the entire time.
	You have Elle's guarantee that I will not just call you Q.
	I won't even bring up your dope Wagyu cowboy beef hat.
	I'll play nice until you're gone, and then I'll fucking dunk on you a bunch.
	But the Rei Ayanami doll will be brought up during the conversation.
	He has to answer for that.
	I've even said on the podcast that if he is to run for public office, he has some things to answer for, and that's one of them.
	So if he wants Q Podcast to go on to to spread his message ahead of his campaign run, he's gonna have to answer for his weird Japanese sex doll.
	Yes, absolutely.
	So, yeah, Ron, again, his speech at the Double Down was, again, devoid of charisma, totally just The standard train wreck that is Ron Watkins.
	His dad having to sing a song with the crowd before he showed up was aggressively cringeworthy and kind of terrifying.
	Um, I mean, it's really funny how, in a way, like, you have, um, QAnon is still relevant.
	I think the scariest thing is that QAnon's using, that people are using QAnon for votes, that you have these people running for Secretary of State in an incredibly dangerous and negative way.
	But when you actually look at the, like, the, Quote unquote QAnon promoters like Juan and Ron and all of these other just and in the matrix and all these other clowns there's doing this stuff.
	Their shtick is so played out.
	You've heard them go through the same riffs over and over again.
	And that's kind of the problem with the movement is that you're you're stuck you're just you're just a car stuck in the mud and no matter how much you push there's there's nothing new to really talk about because There's no elections for another year.
	Trump shows up once every two months to do a rally and get people all worked up.
	But there's no momentum for the movement.
	And there won't be until somebody wins something.
	It's going to be hard for them to do that when you have like Lin Wood and Donald Trump himself and other QAnon promoters telling their audience, stop voting.
	Voting is rigged.
	It's bullshit.
	Don't attend.
	Don't give them your time by wasting it.
	It's like going to the polling place on election day.
	Spend that time with your family, go to church, get closer to God or whatever.
	And there are a bunch of QAnon promoters who are like, Hey guys, don't listen to the non-voting people.
	Listen to us and totally vote because this time it's going to work.
	And I just wonder if like they lose a few more elections, like how, how long can the people that are begging them to keep voting, even though it's totally rigged, how long do they actually have a voice before people just give up and agree with Lin Wood that voting's for suckers?
	I mean, hopefully it happens immediately, because the best possible thing I could imagine for politics in our country is conservatives not voting.
	I agree.
	I'm 100% team voting is rigged, don't even bother, conservatives.
	Why bother throwing your vote away?
	Just stay at home, so easy.
	It's so easy to stay at home, just watch football or something.
	So I'm going to jump over a few of our headlines just because this headline is so hilarious from Elle, and it's Vaccina Matata for the kids.
	It's Vacuna Matata.
	So, you know, what I'm learning on the podcast today is you just don't know how to pronounce Spanish words.
	I don't.
	Your Caucasian tongue cannot parse these sweet, sweet Spanish words.
	Vacuna is Spanish for vaccine.
	Aha!
	I did not know that.
	And it rhymes with Hakuna.
	I'm assuming you got the reference but you still somehow failed on the execution because your tongue just can't do it.
	I can't do it.
	I'm not good.
	But the FDA has basically said that all signs are pointing to the fact that early next week there's going to be the full vote.
	on authorizing shots for children from 5 to 11 in America to receive quote-unquote kid-sized doses of the Pfizer vaccine.
	And this of course is one of these red lines that QAnon gets incredibly upset about for about a month and then they're going to forget about it because Back when we were all getting, back when us adults were all getting the vaccines, that was supposed to kill all of us, we were all supposed to die, the world was going to end, and then it happened and QAnon just kept on trucking.
	But now, quote-unquote, Bill Gates is coming for your kids.
	And so I saw Torbs, my boy from Gab, and I see a bunch of other QAnon promoters that are literally like, they're coming for our kids!
	This is this was what cannot be allowed to stand and they're just inciting people to violence and it's really scary that like this is like something that could happen in the next few months that children could be Schools could do inoculations or vaccines could be like in places away from the parent or like you're gonna have ugly situations where one parent is pilled and the other parent is sane and they're gonna fight over the kid getting vaccinated or not and
	This like this kind of rhetoric about the fact that the vaccine is going to kill your kid.
	I mean, that's how you get people to lash out with violence when you when you claim that their children are being threatened.
	And these people are openly provoking that and it's really, it's really dark.
	Yeah, but I mean, you know, the fact is all these kids are going to get the vaccine and they're all not going to die.
	So as long as all of these like real heroes can just keep their fucking weapons bolstered, then no harm, no foul.
	But like, again, like...
	We can't do anything about these people wanting to incite violence, so we just have to hope against hope that they don't decide to go crazy and do violent actions, or if they can't help themselves, that the repercussions for the violent actions that they perpetrate are swift and potent enough to stop any further violence.
	Like, the big nothing burger of all the, you know, the January 6th indictments or whatever, you know, it's not strong enough.
	The next time these Q people get antsy in their pantsy and overstep, we need to make sure that they know that that's not acceptable and that they should never overstep again in their whole fucking lives.
	Yes, it's frustrating watching how the 1-6 proceedings are moving along because so much of what happened, it's like the big fish aren't being called into account.
	I know that Rolling Stone article came out where one of the ringleaders of the ground troops was like saying, oh, I hung out with Mo Brooks and Cawthorn and Marjorie Taylor Greene's staff, and like, Mo Brooks came out and was just like, hey, I didn't call for insurrection.
	My staff might have talked to that guy about doing a little insurrection, but not me!
	Uh, that was, uh, particularly spicy that, like, he decided to throw, uh, his, uh, the people working for him under the bus as potentially being seditious.
	But, on the whole, it doesn't feel like enough ringleaders are feeling the sting of this shit, and the whole Bannon being held in contempt, uh, thing.
	Let's, uh, I don't know, let's, let's move that along a little more.
	Speed, uh, can we, can we start actually holding some people's feet to the fire for any of this shit?
	Because, They're just going to do it again.
	They're going to be, if anything, emboldened by the timidity of the response to this stuff, and that is not great.
	Yeah, and again, you know, the only thing, like, if sanity and reason worked on these people, we wouldn't be in this position to begin with.
	So, all we have to hope is that fear prevents them, like, the fear of prison, the fear of being shot, the fear of whatever prevents these people from actually trying insurrection or whatever again.
	But, you know, if they decide to mark the anniversary of 1-6-2021 with a little 1-6-2022 action, hopefully this time around, It goes much worse for them, and you know, that is really the best possible outcome, short of some magic genie wish just allowing us to create sanity and reason in the minds of these people.
	The fact that they're just immune to facts really makes it hard to reason with them.
	You know what I mean?
	You can't appeal to anything with facts.
	You can't just be like, hey, you guys like to call the vaccine the clot shot.
	It's just like, I haven't heard of a blood clot from anyone getting the vaccine in months and months and months.
	I think it only happened to five people or whatever six months ago.
	But they don't care.
	It happened to one person one time, the whole vaccine is shit, fuck it, and fuck you for wanting it.
	And it's just like, okay, well, if data's not gonna do the trick, like, what the fuck else could we possibly do to appeal to these people besides fear?
	Fear!
	Yeah, it's really funny that we have like the situation where they're complaining about like, oh, all these people are having heart conditions from the shot and like, and this thing is happening to them and this symptom is happening to them and they're in this fatigue and all this stuff.
	When They never talk about any of the symptoms of a bad case of COVID, of having your lungs suck for forever, or having long COVID, or the fact that those heart conditions also occur when you get COVID.
	To them, the only possible things that can happen with COVID is either you survive it or you die.
	But when it comes to the vaccine, if you have a fever for a couple days after the vaccine, that was a devastating adverse reaction, and the vaccine is unsafe and no one should ever take it.
	Because you were at 102 degrees and had to lay in bed and eat chicken soup for a couple days.
	That means the vaccine's unsafe.
	But when it comes to COVID, if you were on a ventilator for a month and you barely pulled through, It's nothing.
	It was the sniffles.
	It's calm and cold.
	Fuck it.
	That's it.
	And any data points that they do come up with are always from like, med123.co.ru or whatever.
	And so it's just like, here's my evidence from John Hopkins saying that the vaccine is safe.
	If they're just like, yeah, well, here's my evidence from 123medicine.biz saying that it's dangerous.
	I'm just like, okay, well, of the two, I don't know, which one of these two websites would you like to be giving your credit card information to?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	So, we have managed to get through an hour of delicious headlines.
	Maybe time to open up the mailbag and see what our listeners have to say to us.
	Our listeners got questions, we got answers.
	It's time for Q and A.
	So NARC opens up by saying, has any one of the Q grifters that said General Flynn was part of the Q team addressed the lawsuit by his brother, where they immediately said that we're not QAnon supporters and we are very insulted by being called QAnon supporters?
	And has Michael Flynn talked about the lawsuit against CNN for $75 million that his family filed?
	To the latter question, no, I don't think Flynn's ever brought it up, but As for the family, that case recently got thrown out and the judge literally said that all the shit you people do is literally what QAnon followers do.
	So it was entirely appropriate to call you people QAnon supporters.
	The fact that the Flynn family took the digital oath right after Q ordered people to take the digital oath, kind of a tip off that that's what they were doing.
	It's like, it was super ridiculous that they even attempted that thing.
	Like, how dare you call us QAnon supporters?
	Hashtag, where we go one, we go all.
	I mean, it was just very silly.
	I don't even know why they were doing it, other than the fact that, like, it allowed them to grift QAnon by saying, we're suing the fake news media for printing lies.
	And what's the lie?
	We're not gonna tell you what the lie was, but they lied about us.
	Where we go one, we go all.
	I'm glad that we have Karma on the show for our Q&A session this week, because it means that there's an outside chance that there's somebody besides Mike that could answer questions like these.
	Because I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
	I've never heard any of this shit.
	So, Karma, what have you heard about the lawsuit?
	Well, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere.
	Not in the channels with anyone.
	I don't see anyone talking about it over there.
	Um, the influencers or anything like that.
	It's like it's just gone, you know.
	Anything negative towards the movement, you know, that they just don't want to bring up, just doesn't get talked about.
	Oh, and it's a terrible look for them, both because the lawsuit was obviously going to get laughed out of court, and it did, and also that the Flynn family would try to, quote-unquote, keep QAnon at an arm's length away from them was super bizarre and super embarrassing.
	So... I mean, he trademarked.
	What did he do?
	Was it digital soldiers?
	Oh, did he try to trademark digital soldier?
	Oh my God.
	He did.
	Oh my God.
	That's so awesome.
	He looked it up last, uh, when was it?
	The start of the year.
	He trademarked a certain way.
	I'm sure it was digital soldiers.
	I could be wrong, but he definitely trademarked one of the slogans.
	Oh my God.
	That is so brilliant.
	What a unbelievably shitty human being Michael Flynn is.
	Um, I'm looking at an Intercept article right now about Michael Flynn profiting from QAnon, which is, yep, but has moved the trademark to turn digital soldiers.
	Yep, he absolutely did that.
	Oh my god, that is so brazen.
	What a grifting piece of shit.
	And then, you know, to turn around and say he's not involved in it, but yeah.
	Yeah, oh yeah, that is absolute clown shit.
	That's so good.
	So the fact that he, do we know, did the trademark go through?
	Is it possible to trademark such a thing?
	Because if so, Mike, I have a great idea.
	I'm pretty sure we do.
	If you're one of the QAnon listeners that might be hate listening to us, I need you to tune out for a second because this idea is so good that I don't want you to steal it from us.
	Mike, is it possible for us to trademark the term friends?
	The QAnon gibberish version of the word friends?
	Yeah, F-R-E-N-S.
	Can we trademark that?
	That isn't.
	Oh god, that would be so good.
	The main thing you need for something like that is to prove that you're using it in a business sense.
	So if you just started printing up shirts with Pepe and with the word friends under it, oh god, you could Well, somebody, I think, already owns Pepe, but if nobody owns Friends yet, maybe our first wave of Adventures in Hellworld merchandise should be the grifting Friends merchandise.
	Like, maybe we could just put, like, a couch or whatever.
	Do, like, a riff on Friends the TV show.
	Yes!
	And then, once we can prove that we're using it in a business sense, we trademark it, then any time any of these goobers post a meme to Gab or Telegram or whatever, and it gets up to the top, we could just sick our lawyers after them.
	Friends is ours!
	I'm looking at the word digital in QDROPS and a lot of times he's talking about the digital battlefield and digital warriors.
	I don't know that QDROP 4637 does use the term digital soldiers.
	So it's in the Q lore.
	So it's really hilarious that Michael Flynn, who doesn't know QAnon at all, is actually using a term directly quoted from Q himself.
	I'm pretty sure, yeah, he did it after he did the whole pledge thing.
	Because we looked it up.
	We went looking for it.
	Oh, that's so good.
	That is so good.
	What an awesome thing to know about.
	So thank you for the question, Nark.
	Bobby, who runs Barnertown Ellis, asks, who has more charisma, Ron Watkins or a literal piece of soggy white bread?
	I'm betting on the bread.
	If it's bunny bread, that rabbit has spunk.
	I know less about bunny bread than I do Ron Watkins, but since Ron Watkins has actual negative charisma, I would give it to the piece of bread.
	No way, man.
	Ron Watkins is an absolute unit, and his charisma does stuff to my bathing suit area.
	That is the clip we're going to cut out of the podcast and post it to our account in our attempt to lure Ron onto the podcast.
	That's going to be the bait to hook our fish.
	Yes, that's going to be us saluting Chad Alpha Ron Watkins.
	Being like, hey, Ron, you're the stud of all studs.
	We don't know why you needed to go to the soap house when you're obviously just fighting the ladies off with a stick.
	But yeah, come on.
	I have seen the ladies telling him how hot he is.
	One was trying to actually set him up with her own child.
	Oh yeah, I saw that like, that message where, oh my god, that was, oh boy, the arranged marriage that your mom tries to make with you and Ron Watkins, that is... Why the hateful child?
	Yes, oh my lord.
	Yeah, I mean, like, so, this is gonna be a journey, but just stick with me because there is a point at the end.
	Back in my early 20s, While cruising around the internet, I unfortunately, and this was not something I was trying to see, but I did see it.
	I saw a video somebody posted of a woman having relations with a dog.
	And, like I said, stick with me.
	And at the time, it bummed me out because I was just like, man, there are dogs in the world.
	They're getting more human action than I am as a human man in my early, like, in my early prime.
	And hearing people say that Ron Watkins is attractive to women makes me believe that Ron Watkins is the new sex with a dog.
	Thank you!
	Maybe that clip is the one we should try to hook him with.
	I think Ron would take that as an upgrade.
	Oh my god.
	That's going to be the next big clip for Ron Watkins credibility.
	Ron Watkins is the new sex with a dog.
	Yes!
	So thank you for the question.
	Snorlaxcpap asks, how screwed are we once the Boston Dynamic Robots learn about you?
	Will they usher in the 10 days of darkness?
	And then he has a gif of a Boston Dynamics robot doing a dance.
	Boston Dynamics robots are terrifying.
	And I think that anything that could possibly spur them to ending life, all life on Earth is bad.
	But I mean, all the Boston Dynamic Robots really do is like, be kind of mobile.
	They have, like, all the mobility of a drunk human.
	So, I don't really feel like, I mean, even if somebody went in there, like, you know, even if somebody did some 90s-style hack-of-the-planet action and programmed all Bossa Dynamic robots to love Q, like, what are they gonna do?
	Like, balance on a crate?
	Like, do a little dance?
	Or, like, you know, they don't do anything.
	They're certainly impressive, but all they are just like slightly more mobile robots.
	So I'm not worried about Boston Dynamic robots.
	Talk to me like 20 or 30 years in the future when they have like AI programs running them or something.
	Yeah.
	I think the scariest thing I've seen is like the Boston Dynamics where the dog has a gun attached to its back.
	And, uh, I think that that's, I think that's in France or somewhere where they're starting to do that, where they're trying to weaponize the robots, which is obviously like where this was always going to go.
	But the, the, the dog is still not, uh, we're not quite at the T-800 yet.
	When we get there, then, then shit's going to go bad.
	And also, is a dumb robot dog with a gun mounted on its back any more scary than just a Predator drone?
	No.
	I mean, sure.
	In a perfect world, it will make precision killing of targets better and easier, so that way our dumb Predator drones won't have to level an entire building to kill one target.
	But for the time being, it's just like, oh yeah, it's a robot with a gun on its back.
	I'm much more afraid of the ones that can fly, personally.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Just like, oh, it's a sweet, adorable little robot dog.
	Like, maybe if they start trying to make them look like regular dogs, like if they just put, like, skin on it and fur, and it just, like, trots up to you.
	And you're just like, oh, what a sweet little pup.
	And then, like, it just unloads around into you.
	Then it might be time to get afraid.
	But until then, I don't know.
	I'm not worried about Boston Dynamics robots.
	They're too goofy to be intimidating.
	Yeah.
	So, uh, Karma, have you dealt with Boston Dynamics robots at all?
	No, I haven't.
	Okay.
	Take that, Boston Animated Robots.
	You haven't made it to the locked-down, Soros-controlled island of Australia, so they don't care about you.
	ExistentialDreadLockedDown, hi Dread, says, are you seeing more of a merging with the IM movement in QAnon recently?
	We have Michael Flynn in the negative 48 movement that seemed to be indicating emerging.
	What is your take on that?
	I haven't seen a lot of the IM stuff.
	I know that Flynn had that incident where he read something and got himself into some hot water of the rest of the people because they were like, hey, you're reading cult shit.
	Stop that.
	But I'd say the main promoters of QAnon that I've seen haven't done much in the way of fomenting any mergery of I Am to the movement.
	It's like when, a few years ago, In the Matrix and Spooky Groove went to Rantha and talked to that crazy lady who claims to be channeling the spirit of a 3,000-year-old warrior, or whatever that nonsense was.
	I mean, QAnon really isn't picky with who they associate with, but I don't think that IM has the kind of sticking power or Gravitas necessary to actually steer the ship of QAnon towards its own agenda.
	I think I need to step in here as avatar of our audience and be like, hey, Mike Rains, what the fuck are you talking about?
	What the hell is I am?
	I Am is a scam movement that was founded by a guy named Guy Ballard in the 1930s and it's your standard kind of hokum where you become what is called an Ascendant Master and those people are of history's greatest leaders like Christ and basically all the people that moved and shook It's kind of like a really weak, pathetic version of Mormonism where Joseph Smith was like, Hey, I'm kind of like Jesus.
	And people were like, Oh, sounds good to us.
	This guy was basically trying to get on that same kind of tip where he was like, Hey, I'm super important and you should join my cult because I'm the man.
	It was basically kind of like a 1930s version of like the Branch Davidians or any other small sect of people that got a bit of traction around them.
	So I had to like look up what I.M.
	was and I was kind of like, what is this about?
	So I don't think it really had a lot.
	I don't think it has a lot of A lot of cachet in today's world as it were and I think what happened with Michael Flynn and those people are like the people in that movement trying to make inroads in QAnon because they think that this could be their ticket because QAnon is big and popular and if we can get in on that maybe we can lure people into our little neck of the woods but
	I don't think that it's really that likely, because QAnon is so much more based upon hardcore Christianity for their religion and being upset about current events for their day-to-day lives.
	So I really don't think trying to figure out reincarnation and all of that kind of stuff... I'm not thinking that's gonna fly.
	I mean, that's way more New Age-y, and I mean, there's...
	QAnon promoters that are hardcore Christian hate the people that got into QAnon through anti-vax and holistic healing and chakras and opening up your third eye.
	That's like a factional territory rift in the movement.
	So I'm not thinking that the I Am people are going to make a lot of headway.
	Well, good stuff.
	I mean, I've never heard of that thing once before in my entire fucking life.
	So I'm glad I asked that question because it's all gibberish to me.
	Yeah.
	Have you heard of I Am Karma?
	Yeah, I have.
	Have you seen anything about QAnon with them?
	No.
	Nothing.
	Alright, so here's a fun question for you guys.
	I'll just simplify it.
	No.
	You get to choose, or you... not so much choose as feel deep in your soul, but you are a reincarnation of somebody from the past with juice.
	Who are you, Mike?
	Uh, someone reincarnated from the past and I got juice.
	Uh, hey, I mean, I think, uh, I think I'll, I think I'll just stay on brand here and just go with JFK.
	Cause that, that would be like, that would be the ultimate thing to like razzle dazzle QAnon people with and being like, I'm the actual reincarnation of your hero that was like the avatar of Trump.
	And I'm not going to tell you if my son is actually alive in his present body or if he's reincarnated.
	And I know who the reincarnation of JFK Jr.
	is.
	Because that would be, like, spooky and wild.
	How about you, Karma?
	You get to be the reincarnation of somebody.
	Who's your pick?
	I don't think I want to come back.
	You just want it to be the end for you?
	She just wants oblivion's cold embrace.
	I mean, have a look at the world we're living in right now.
	I don't know.
	I'm sort of looking at Guyana.
	My mom always wanted to be reincarnated as a cat because they sleep a lot.
	My mom really enjoys sleeping.
	So that's her bag.
	My answer's also kind of a cheat.
	I'm not reincarnated as anybody, baby.
	Because in my lifetime, I'm going to be fucking important enough where other people of the future are going to want to be reincarnated as me.
	I'm just waiting to blossom.
	Right now I'm just a cocoon and at some point I'm going to blossom into an incredible butterfly person.
	And then in the future people are going to be like, you know what?
	I'm channeling my I am powers and I'm going to be the mysterious L.
	So, thank you for the question, Treads.
	FFSake with a couple strawberries in his emoji says, when will Australia be invaded by the US?
	I would like to know before I book my Christmas holidays.
	Cheers!
	Glasses clanging emoji.
	So, Karma, are you thrilled that Candace Owens is going to send the US military to liberate you from your oppression?
	Look, we're happy if she comes down because I'm pretty sure she, you know, we could throw her around with some kangaroos and see how she goes.
	That sounds awesome to me.
	Kangaroos are fucking terrifying.
	Yeah, they'll beat the shit out of it.
	I, uh, have you seen the video of the two kangaroos having a fight and one of them actually chokes the other kangaroo out?
	Like, you would not think that their arms were capable of doing it, but the kangaroo actually basically secured a rear naked choke on the other kangaroo and just put him to sleep.
	And then he left and the other kangaroo woke up.
	I was like, I thought that shit was going to be to the death, but apparently he just wanted to assert his dominance over the other kangaroo.
	He just choked him out.
	It was so wild.
	They're pretty nasty when they want.
	Oh, I bet.
	I mean, everything in Australia is designed to kill humans.
	I mean, it is the most terrifying.
	You know what?
	And I keep saying this, it's a conspiracy.
	It's just not true.
	Australia has very, very lovely flora and fauna.
	Koala bears will not fall out of a tree and tear my face off.
	Hang on, wait, wait, wait.
	All these stories, like, you know, everyone always says to me, oh, you've got these spiders and you've got these and you've got Yeah, but how many times do you hear about people actually dying from these things in Australia?
	I'm convinced that if I ever went to Australia and saw an Australian spider, my body would kill itself.
	I would just die of an actual heart attack.
	Like, I don't think the spider would do anything to me.
	I would just wake up, it would be on the wall, and that would be it for me.
	Suddenly, I would just be hovering above my body, and I'd just be like, oh, I guess I'm dead now.
	And then even my spirit would be terrified of the spider.
	I am!
	But your spirit would be like, I know I'm incorporeal and you can't touch me, but you're terrifying.
	You're absolutely scary.
	If I get pulled in the hell right now, it would be a relief to know that I was actually being tormented by Lucifer rather than being in this room with this giant Australian spider.
	But seriously, you must have spiders there.
	Yeah, but they're not big.
	They're not like dinner plate sized or whatever.
	Spiders are not dinner plate sized either.
	I mean, to be fair, I was almost killed by a spider bite from a very small spider at some point, which does inform my decision to die of heart attack when confronted by a large spider.
	Yes.
	It's usually the larger ones.
	Our larger ones are usually the harmless ones.
	It is usually the smaller ones that will do something to you.
	Oh yeah, but I mean, it's completely irrational.
	It's like being afraid of a moth, which I'm also afraid of.
	Like, you know, sometimes I'll just be walking around outside and like a moth will fly into my face and I'm just terrified of it because it's just, it's small and it's moving around me so fast and I don't know what to do.
	You know, my mother had a phobia of moths.
	She used to jump out of cars while they were moving.
	Yeah, I'm just a very soft boy.
	I'm a very soft boy in Australia.
	It's a lovely country, and I'm sure it's filled with lovely people, but I would just be too scared to appreciate it.
	You know what?
	I'd be scared more of some of the people than him.
	Oh, absolutely true.
	All of this stuff I'm talking about is coming from a person who lives in America, and when tourists come to America, they have to worry about Americans.
	I'm afraid of going to Australia because I don't want to encounter a spider or a big snake or whatever.
	People have to come to do tourism in America and they have to worry about the fact that any given person around them could have a gun that will kill them.
	It's just so crazy.
	So thank you for the question.
	Reverend Xenofact says, American has a long and apparent conspiracy theorist history, from joking about street corner ranchers on TV to the Church of the Subgenius.
	So how did we end up with so many people believing in something as ridiculous and dangerous as Q?
	I think that a lot of this just comes from the fact that conspiracy theories in America, while the crazy crank gets ridiculed, a lot of our conspiracy theories have been normalized to an alarming degree.
	Anytime they do polling on the assassination of JFK, a majority of Americans think that it was a conspiracy.
	I think that even though the 9-11 truthers are derided, there are people out there that will totally be like, hey, the government didn't tell us everything about what happened on 9-11.
	Or that they'll have a softer conspiracy, like Bush allowed bin Laden to hit us so he could get his wars.
	Which is a reskin of FDR let the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor, so that he could get us into World War Two.
	So there's always been this undercurrent of quote unquote, the government is lying to us.
	And once you have that in existence, Latching on to Donald Trump as the political outsider who somehow won the presidency, and that he will be the truth bringer that will bring down our corrupt government.
	I mean, that level of thinking isn't that kind of crazy far-fetched for your typical disenfranchised American.
	And then you have COVID lockdowns and restrictions on your life, and the next thing you know you're looking for any answer to that shit, and Q gives it to you.
	Sorry, I was getting caught up on my News of the World on my phone and I had my microphone muted.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
	Maybe the short answer is just that Americans are stupid.
	They're just willing to buy into a bunch of horseshit.
	I wish that there was a clear-cut reason as to why Americans Like, we're so prone to this conspiracy stuff, and I know it's not just an American problem, but like, a lot of these conspiracy theories that you see spreading to the rest of the world are, like, getting, like, they have their origins here.
	Like, if we knew why it was a problem, then hopefully we could fix it, right?
	But there's no, there's no clear-cut reason to it, aside from just the fact that, like, people would rather believe Something interesting and fantastical than the banal reality of life.
	Like, did JFK just get shot by a single disgruntled person that wanted to murder the president?
	Or was it a CIA cover-up conspiracy perpetrated by aliens and the Rothschilds?
	Like, if life was a movie, I know which movie I'd rather be watching.
	But, you know, the reality is that life is not a movie.
	And it's Occam's Razor.
	The simple solution is usually the correct solution.
	But nobody wants the simple solution because it's so boring!
	Snooze!
	Aw, man!
	Like, bummer.
	Donald Trump lost the election because the other guy just got more votes?
	Snooze!
	Boring!
	No!
	Government deep state conspiracy!
	Trump won!
	Trump forever!
	Like, that's just the simple fact of it.
	Right.
	And there's no fighting against that.
	Like, there's no way to make the truth punchier.
	Yeah, it was, you mentioned this either on a caballing episode or one other thing we did, where one of the things about the JFK assassination that makes it like so jarring is that literally the barrier to entry to kill the president back then was to own a gun.
	And that makes that story so boring.
	Because nowadays to attempt to assassinate the president would require such an incredible amount of effort and work and finances and resources.
	When back then it was just some dipshit literally at his job was able to poke a gun out of a window and take a couple cracks at him.
	I mean that's just, that's so alien to the world that we live in nowadays where the president's driving in an armored limo called The Beast that has six pints of his own blood chilled waiting to transfuse to him should anything happen.
	Yeah, I mean, conspiracy theorists just need to try to find the exciting parts of reality versus trying to make reality more interesting by lying to themselves about what's going on.
	That would be interesting.
	They should just get fired up when a new species is discovered instead of getting fired up when somebody loses an election clean.
	That would be great.
	Yes, that'd be awesome.
	Chris Stevens has a quick question for me, which is, James Woods has been at the World Series of Poker for a few weeks and posting about it on Twitter, which means he is vaccinated, because you can't get into the World Series without a vaccination.
	What does the Deep State think of him getting vaccinated?
	Fuck him, we don't want him.
	So, James, and someone actually DM'd me to tell me that they were at a table with James Woods and he played Jack 5 offsuit hyper-aggressively and lost a big pot.
	So, take that, James Woods.
	You suck at poker and life.
	Jopka, jopka, jopka, donkeys always draw.
	Yes, exactly!
	Speaking of poker and cards and stuff, I didn't make this joke because we were too busy just talking about the facts of it, but this one's right for you, Mike, buddy.
	I'm surprised that the Patriot Double Down was named after a Blackjack reference, because QAnon people should hate the fact that you should always split eights.
	Yes!
	And the other thing that's so funny is that someone pointed this out, that the QAnon Double Down, that's the slogan, but their desperate attempt to put all sorts of QAnon iconography... Are we talking about the Queen and the Seven?
	Yes, the Queen and the Seven.
	You don't double down on 17!
	Yeah, who doubles down on 17?
	Have any of you ever played fucking Blackjack?
	You idiots!
	Right?
	So dumb!
	I mean, it's like, it's just, man, you are so desperate for anything.
	I mean...
	The only thing I could possibly think of off the top of my head would be like Baccarat, where a 1 and a 7 is an 8, which is the second best possible hand to get, which isn't that great because you always want to have the nuts when you're making a hand like that, but 17 in blackjack sucks!
	Also, they couldn't use Baccarat because the only person in the world who knows how to play Baccarat is James Bond.
	Right, exactly.
	Like, I've had the game explained to me, and I still don't know how to fucking play Poker Rock.
	Yeah, your two cards have to equal 9 or 19.
	That's basically it.
	Bah, bah, bah, bah.
	I'm not trying to get educated here.
	Right, exactly.
	That's not what this podcast is for.
	Nope, not at all.
	The podcast is to educate our listeners, not me.
	Damn right.
	So Amanda Scatlin asks, did anyone talk about saving the children at the QAnon John conference or was it all about themselves?
	So how much kid talk did we get, Karma?
	We got a fair bit.
	There was, so, obviously, I don't know if you saw the postings of the, well, we'll call them movie clips.
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah, the clips in between speakers.
	Oh yeah, that stuff.
	That was pretty full on.
	I mean, that had everything in it.
	We also had... Now, I don't know what this guy's name was, but it was pretty full on.
	He came on and he definitely needed help.
	He had told this whole story of that he was sex trafficked as a child and he went into full detail and he couldn't trust anybody because everyone was deep state.
	I tuned out.
	I didn't even post anything about it.
	That's how detailed that one was.
	was like super dark and super creepy.
	And he definitely like really needs to take help.
	Like, and when I say that, I mean, obviously if that's what's happened to him, you know,
	he's pulled into this whole movement and rather than, you know, actually going and
	He believes everybody is against him and they're trying to get him.
	And then, as I said, later on they had the video clip of the movie for The Underground.
	Oh yeah, the Jim Caviezel movie that's going to be... I don't know if they're going to actually do adrenochrome in the Jim Caviezel movie, but it seems very possible.
	That seems like that movie is going to be scary and detached from reality.
	Yeah.
	Pretty much.
	I mean, it was mentioned a few times by other people as well.
	Yeah, I think Demon Seaman Lady brought up them draining the blood out of the children.
	That's their campfire story.
	That's how they get each other all riled up and scared and excited.
	They gotta talk about the kids being exsanguinated by the monsters.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	So that wraps up our questions for the week, as it were.
	So our question to Numerous is, what are you looking forward to?
	I guess I'll go ahead and start.
	I'm looking forward to Halloween Sunday.
	Not because I give even one half of a poop about Halloween, but because my friends and I are just going to hunker down inside playing board games all day.
	So it's going to be a nice, wholesome time with my pals.
	That sounds good.
	What are you looking forward to, Karma?
	The end of the working year.
	I mean, we don't really celebrate Halloween here or anything.
	So yeah, that'd be my next thing.
	I need a break.
	You've been working your ass off?
	It's not good?
	It's been obviously a lot tougher because it's been online all year.
	Being in lockdown and stuff like that.
	So I usually take classes, you know, face to face.
	Yeah.
	So that'll be nice.
	I am looking forward to watching Inside Job.
	Karma has talked about looking into it a little bit and it seems like the kind of show that at the very least would be something that I would get all the Easter eggs of and understand what they were talking about.
	So I'm going to give that a whirl this week and have like a, probably a short review for it next week.
	Good!
	That'd be nice.
	Yeah.
	So, uh, I think that covers everything, so I'm gonna hand the reins over to Elle here.
	Ah, and I'm going to grab the reins, and then we are going to go HYAH!
	And get this here wagon rolling out of this here hell world.
	Thank you everybody for listening and supporting the show.
	And a big special thank you to Karma for joining us and filling in for Sarge in Sarge's absence.
	Karma, where can the good listeners find you on the internet if they would like to engage with you further about QAnon or other stuff?
	Well, I've already got my Twitter account, so...
	2020 2021 underscore karma on Twitter. There we go.
	So head on over.
	Karma's been a friend of the show for a while, and yeah, they do good work.
	So 2021 underscore Karma on Twitter is where you can find them.
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