David Wilcock is a UFO conspiracy theorist who got into QAnon to build his audience. Mike Rains interviews Bobby Ellis who has followed Wilcock for years and tells us all about him and his brand of conspiracy nonsense. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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| Hello everybody, Mike Rains aka PokerandPolitics here with another bonus episode of Adventures in Hellworld. | |
| David Wilcox has been around for forever as a UFO guy, conspiracy theory guy, got on the COVID denial train because that's what you do when you're in that world. | |
| And I haven't really dug too much into him, but Bobby Ellis is someone who has been monitoring the career of David Wilcox. | |
| And he asked if we could have a talk about this crazy guy. | |
| So I thought I'd bring him on the podcast. | |
| So welcome, Bobby. | |
| Hi. | |
| Thank you so much for having me. | |
| I'm actually really excited. | |
| So when, where did this guy first kind of break into the conspiracy theory world? | |
| Like, and where would you put him on like the pecking order of like the Alex Joneses and the other David Ikes and other like troopazoids? | |
| When he got started exactly, I don't know. | |
| I became aware of him three or four years ago, and I know that he has been in this world and doing this type of thing at least since 2011, maybe before that. | |
| I think if you go back and listen to some of his older talks, he mentions Getting involved with a guy by the name of Corey Goode around 2009. | |
| I think Wilcox had been, which is a totally different, so they talk about like secret space programs and things like that. | |
| But Wilcox was real big on the 2012 Mayan calendar type thing, and I think that's kind of where he made his his name and then that failed to come through. | |
| So he's kind of scrubbed a lot of stuff pre 2012 as he was really big on that so it's kind of hard to find anything before that at least where I've searched but where I place him on the pecking order is I kind of put him in the area of the gateway people the pipeline of like people who are into | |
| Transcendent Meditation, Ancient Aliens, that type of thing. | |
| I put him as kind of a pipeline figure from there to QAnon because he's really jumped on that. | |
| I think that he's pretty low down on the totem pole. | |
| I've only heard him mentioned in a few podcasts. | |
| I've heard him mentioned on Knowledge Fight like once or twice maybe, but I haven't heard any conspiracy people dig deep into him. | |
| The only thing that he comes up on in my podcast that I listen to are like the crazy alien people who kind of make fun of him for all these different alien races that he has living in the solar system with us and doing crazy things on the moon and stuff like that. | |
| So what is his alien mythos, as it were? | |
| Are we dealing with Pleiadians and Greys and all that kind of stuff? | |
| We are dealing with so many different aliens. | |
| So as from what I've been able to count, I think based on his estimation and guesses, there's roughly like 20 different alien species that live in our solar system. | |
| And they are due, there are all these different alliances. | |
| There's like the sphere being alliance. | |
| There's, uh, the, The secret government space programs that are based on Earth and that have dealings with these different creatures. | |
| There are, like, seven-foot-tall bird aliens involved somehow. | |
| The avians. | |
| There's the reptiloids. | |
| There's these strange triangle-type creatures that if you go on and hear him talk on stage, he describes their language as, like, buzzsaw noises. | |
| And it's great, because he just starts making them sound like a party popper. | |
| So yeah, the mythos is extensive. | |
| Some of my favorite highlights are the fact that the moon is hollow, and that there are glass cities up there, and there were giants who used to live in the moon, and we've been there, and there's an ancient civilization of aliens under Antarctica right now as we speak. | |
| It's a, it's a trip. | |
| Uh, he, he's got a, he's got, he's like Tolkien. | |
| He's got a hell of a world built up. | |
| So, uh, do these, uh, underground aliens in Antarctica, are they battling with the Nazis who live under there in the Jordan Sather above majestic world, or do they peacefully coexist? | |
| Like what's going on there? | |
| Yes, they are battling with the Nazis. | |
| So Above Majestic, I actually, part of part of me digging into and going back and looking stuff up, part of our Twitter exchange was someone reminded me that Jordan Sather was in Above Majestic, which David Wilcock was a huge part of. | |
| I believe he was a producer on that. | |
| So and I actually went and watched that documentary. | |
| for it so that I could make some notes on it for this conversation, which if | |
| anyone wants to, I suggest don't because it will, it will just, you will be | |
| sitting there slamming your head into your keyboard going, how is this? | |
| How does anyone believe this? | |
| I, I now almost want to make above majestic, like bonus content for | |
| the podcast, because it's so dumb. | |
| And it also features our dumb, wet boy, Sather, as this talking head on it who's battling about the ice Nazis, which is just hilarious. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | |
| The thing about it is, like I said, going back and looking at this, I totally forgot that Sather was in it, and I'd seen it before. | |
| I got into following Wilcock mostly because I really enjoy the fun, weird conspiracies, and he was fun and weird until he got tied into this alt-right type thing, which I don't want to say to his credit. | |
| He's not as open about it as these other people. | |
| He alludes to it. | |
| And he definitely... There's a reason I put him as, like, a pipeline figure to it. | |
| But he's not as extreme as, say, someone like Jordan Sather. | |
| But yeah, I couldn't believe it. | |
| He's not going to accidentally or purposefully post a thing about, quote-unquote, they, in triple parentheses, being all gone. | |
| Yeah, no, he won't put the triple parentheses. | |
| He'll just say, well, you know, honestly... | |
| He won't put the triple parentheses, but there will be mention of a cabal, a secret cabal, with people in charge of it. | |
| He's gone more down that rabbit hole, but I think the way that he's avoided... For anyone, I'm sure we'll get into this more, but he's still on YouTube, he's still got a blue checkmark on Twitter, and I think the way that he's avoided the bans and the purges is by being just vague enough Well, he speaks in code on YouTube. | |
| If you go and watch his videos now, it's like the scene from a Christmas story where he has to decrypt the code from the radio with his decoder, because that's how he talks now. | |
| P.T. | |
| for President Trump is going to go to the Capitol and talk to number 17, you know, for Q or whatever. | |
| It's just so weird. | |
| It's kind of like the unbelievably lazy codes that Q uses for things where he makes up, he's like, what was I going to say, like Elon Musk is EM and Zuckerberg is just his initials and for some reason Jack Dorsey was just always Jack because he was mad at Dorsey in particular over Twitter for some reason. | |
| And Loretta Lynch is LL and all that kind of stuff. | |
| They want to give you this really easy thing to decode so you can think that you're smart when really you're just kind of solving a puzzle that a five-year-old could solve. | |
| Exactly. | |
| He does a really good job of kind of pushing this idea of, you know, we're at the forefront of It's really interesting. | |
| He wants to make the audience feel like they are right there with him in the trenches, as it were, of getting secret information. | |
| It's really interesting. | |
| He wants to make the audience feel like they are right there with him in the trenches, | |
| as it were, of getting secret information. | |
| No one else has this information. | |
| Because he talks all the time about, oh, someone came to me and said that we could disclose | |
| It was declassified for me and me alone, essentially. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And so it really does lead the audience into thinking that, oh, we're in on something cool. | |
| And when you see the comments on his live streams, a lot of people will talk about how, oh, you know, You know, people, we're awake and other people aren't and it's very much reminiscent of going to the keyboards and seeing them talk about normies or people who haven't been pilled yet. | |
| And I mean, that's, that's what a lot of this is about is that I have the secret information. | |
| I know the truth. | |
| And I'm telling it to you, the select, who can handle this, this dark knowledge. | |
| So when did he get into, when did he get on the Q train? | |
| Like, when was that transition done? | |
| And, uh, How big did Q become part of his world? | |
| Was it like everything? | |
| Or was he mostly still in the UFOs and his giant Babylon 5-esque world of aliens? | |
| So Q is definitely not everything in his world. | |
| It's hard to parse exactly when he jumped on the Q train, mostly because things like secret cabals have been a part of his narrative for a really long time. | |
| I think that's part of why it was so easy for him to kind of make that transition and turn, is because, like I said, I discovered him about three or four years ago, and even then, he, from his videos from 2011, 2012, things like that, he was talking about the secret cabals disclosure, slow disclosure that was being trickled out for the masses. | |
| Uh, and so I don't know exactly when he decided to jump on the Q train, but you see it a lot now where he's incorporating things like, uh, Satanism, uh, how Trump is kind of in control of everything. | |
| At least he was doing this after the January 6th thing went down, he went silent for months and now he's come back and His live streams are mostly focused on UFO things with | |
| these weird little Nods to Q and the Patriots he's he started putting like an | |
| American flag in his live stream video now he has | |
| Started to Talk about how | |
| Does a flag have a gold trim on it or not? I don't think it does I have | |
| I'd have to go look at it, but I don't think it has gold trim on it. | |
| Okay, it's a real flag. | |
| It's a true American flag. | |
| I just wanted to make sure that he was one of the good guys, not one of the bad guys. | |
| Yes, he is one of the good guys. | |
| But like I said, there has been, so the cabal, he's been talking about it for a long time, and I think that he uses that mostly. | |
| To lead into the Q stuff, because in the cabal, it's very hard to define. | |
| There's everything from Nazis, to global leaders, to bankers, to the military-industrial complex, which is somehow also part of the good military. | |
| And it's so interesting to me because I saw this Like I said years ago, I was like, oh, this is fun. | |
| And then I started seeing the same thing in the QAnon circles. | |
| And I was like, oh, my God, like, I think David is going to jump on the Q train. | |
| And I was waiting for it. | |
| And sure enough, around the a few months after the election, I started seeing his live streams pop up on YouTube again. | |
| And he was talking about how the election was stolen and how, you know, Trump, the good guys were going to come back and how the cabal was, you know, it was scared and there were, there was going to be three days of darkness where the good guys are going to arrest everybody. | |
| And there was going to be a total blackout, but then the, the, the white hats would come out and, uh, in control of everything. | |
| He really dove into it then, and then after the January 6th thing, the Capitol insurrection, I think he said, ooh, this is too hot for me, so I'm going to back off of it. | |
| Oh, I can totally see that. | |
| I mean, that was, what was really funny is January 6th, Alex Jones was like on the ground. | |
| He's like, he's in DC. | |
| He's there. | |
| And he has his idiot flunkies in the studio and stuff like that. | |
| And like, they're celebrating, they're cheering the attack on the Capitol. | |
| Everything's going great. | |
| Then they cut to Alex and Alex is just like, oh, this is an antifa false flag. | |
| This isn't good. | |
| And the thing is that his moron staff can't figure out that this is bad. | |
| And they're like, but Alex! | |
| The Patriots conquered the Capitol! | |
| We did it! | |
| We're kicking Cabal ass! | |
| We're doing great! | |
| And Alex is like, shut up you dum-dums! | |
| This isn't us! | |
| This is other people! | |
| And it's just... It's BLM. | |
| It's BLM-led. | |
| As he like waddles away slowly. | |
| I mean, it's just so funny that People like Wilcox and Alex Jones and these other like people that have a couple brain cells they can rub together. | |
| We're realizing like right away that January 6 was a bad look for the community and we need we need to pull ourselves away from this thing real quick. | |
| Uh, while the schmucks are just sitting there watching the Q Shaman standing in the well of the Senate going, Yeah! | |
| Q Shaman! | |
| Get him! | |
| This is great! | |
| And now, I mean, it's so funny that we've gone from Antifa did it and BLM to yeah we did it but we were peacefully protesting there were a couple there were a couple like uh bad people that knocked down the doors then we peacefully walked through them and now we've gone to the FBI made us do it so I mean it's just they're just constantly blaming somebody else for what they did and it's | |
| It's really horrifying that we have so many people in our government that are supporting this mindset and talking about Ashley Babbitt as a martyr and a hero. | |
| That cop was lying in wait for her and all this stuff and it's just... | |
| I've never heard these people talk about George Floyd or any of the innumerate unarmed black people that have been murdered by cops. | |
| None of them had a cop lying in wait for them, which is like, I mean, it's just so ridiculous, their mentality. | |
| So, where is our boy Wilcox on the COVID thing? | |
| Chinese bioweapon, 5G, what's his take on that conspiracy? | |
| That, like, literally everyone has a view on. | |
| Yeah, so, David is actually very interesting to me on this topic, because he marries a lot of different things together. | |
| In fact, his most viewed YouTube videos, as far as I can tell, searching back, all involve the COVID pandemic, right about the time when lockdown started. | |
| He's got these three to four videos maybe five if I'm remembering correctly each one of them is Insanely long like three and a half to four hours long of him. | |
| Just rambling Talking about in his little home studio with like three different cameras set up where he he'll like stand and turn to another one then I'll slowly change angles or whatever and then he talks about Technical problems and all that stuff at any rate. | |
| He's got His most viewed video out of those is around a million views. | |
| He believes, at least he said this in those videos, and you have to forgive me, I don't know if, like, he might have changed his mind partway through one of them. | |
| I, digging through like 20 hours of this stuff, it's tough. | |
| But what I heard was that this is a man-made virus. | |
| It's ethnocentric, according to David. | |
| And it was made to target Asians specifically. | |
| So we as Americans, we didn't have to like really worry about it because this was a bioweapon that was made to target the Chinese people or Asian people. | |
| I don't understand why that would be being made in a Chinese lab, but that's his his thing. | |
| To his credit though, I will say That he doesn't say that it's fake, necessarily, and he actually did. | |
| He advocated socially distancing, playing it safe, but he really played down the danger of it, saying, oh, if you're not Asian, it's really not that dangerous, it's not that big of a deal, but just to be safe, stay away from people, And then he did this really weird thing where he was leading a meditation video that said that we would be, like, if everyone got together, all of his, like, little followers and fans got together and prayed really hard, we'd be able to change the molecular structure of the virus through our good vibes to make it, you know, basically go away. | |
| Yeah, we would be able to reverse the zoonotical, I'm sorry, I probably got that totally wrong, but the jump that it made from the pangoloin to the human, because that's what we think is the quote-unquote natural theory, aka reality, is that it was bat to pangoloin to human. | |
| The thing that really blows my mind about all of this lab leak stuff is, and I talked about this a little bit in my interview with Scott Webster, is that even if you gave the idea of the lab leak concept, it still wouldn't have been malevolent or an act of war by the Chinese. | |
| What it literally would have been is A scientist was studying a natural virus they found in the wild, got sick, didn't realize they were sick, and infected other people, and so did a few other people at the lab, and then eventually they were like, oh crap, those lab workers infected their family and friends! | |
| Now we gotta do something about it! | |
| Which, again, is not the QI-COMS launched a bioweapon to try to kill us all, which is... | |
| how these people try to blur the lines of the bioweapon origin story as it were so | |
| Wilcox had his view on where the virus came from and in this very bizarre | |
| Self-inflicted Chinese genocide weapon, which is very interesting. I take it. He has a very well reasoned and | |
| rational view of the vaccine So I haven't I haven't heard him bring up the vaccine all | |
| that much Based on his talking points about people like Bill Gates and things like that, I don't think he would be a fan of it. | |
| He's very much Under the idea that there are people out to, or at least he says that he believes this, there are people out to assassinate him. | |
| There are people who, like he has inside resources for the air quotes, like everyone does, but his inside resources face death around every corner. | |
| And so I don't know if I've heard him address the vaccine specifically, but I can say that he is not the biggest | |
| proponent of modern medicine. | |
| He's very much into, uh, uh, like, um, chakras. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Chakras and Ascension and the Buddha rainbow, the Tibetan rainbow body and all that stuff. | |
| He mixes and mashes all kinds of, but then he also talks about like, Christianity and satanic stuff. | |
| He's really hard to pin down when it comes to that type of thing. | |
| Does he have opinions on chemotherapy and other kind of like harsh treatments that Western medicine uses? | |
| I think he I think he does. | |
| Advocate for medicine, but he also talks about how you know it's really important that you you you Try to ascend above that. | |
| We are just trapped in our mortal cages, as it were, according to him. | |
| He believes that he is a reincarnated spirit of Edward Casey, the psychic, which I'll give him a point on this one. | |
| They do look a lot alike, and when I say that, I mean they look very weird. | |
| But I'm usually not one to attack someone's looks, but Wilcox, if you haven't seen him, he essentially looks like Roger from American Dad with a blonde wig on. | |
| He pulls that look off pretty well. | |
| When it comes to meta, like I said, the COVID thing is a really perfect example of why it's so hard to pin him down and tell you exactly what he believes. | |
| Because in one sentence, he will say, this is a design thing that is out to kill Asian people, and it is deadly. | |
| But, and you should like socially distance. | |
| But you really shouldn't worry about it that much. | |
| It's not that big of a deal. | |
| It's such a, it's so hard to Nail him down on stuff. | |
| Oh, it's important for people like him to just flood the zone. | |
| And then whatever quote he used previously, he'll use to defend that view. | |
| Like I never said that I said this. | |
| And if you bring up the previous quote that contradicts a million, you took that out of context, because that's, that's how these like scam artists always work. | |
| They're always finding a way To make sure that what they said is not something they can actually be pinned down on. | |
| So, in kind of the broad brush, the grand scope of the grand unifying conspiracy theory, what is his take on stuff like 5G, 9-11, the various assassinations of American political leaders like the Kennedys and Martin Luther King? | |
| Does he have an overarching view on these things, or does he just sort of go a la carte and cherry pick? | |
| I like to say that he tends to go a la carte, depending on things. | |
| You know, Vice did a good article on him from like 2020, and I'm actually searching it right now. | |
| He... give me just a second here. | |
| I have to edit this part out while I scan this. | |
| No problem. | |
| To quote Vice here, Willcox and Good, Cory Good, who is Willcox's comrade in arms, at least, they've kind of split a little bit, but I can go into Cory, because he's interesting in and of himself, and Willcox really put him in the limelight. | |
| To quote Vice, Wilcox and Goodwill offer something different than the average figure ranting about 5G towers. | |
| They're significant figures in the disclosure community, a conspiracy-driven new age segment of the UFO subculture that believes the government is hiding the truth about extraterrestrials. | |
| So they don't really focus on things like 5G and those type of things all that much. | |
| Wilcox doesn't. | |
| He tends to focus more on, you know, his big selling point is there are aliens out there, the government is in contact with them, and by God, I have been chosen as like a divine prophet by these beings, basically, to disclose all this information to you. | |
| I'm honestly kind of curious about whether he's using the queue stuff to just stay relevant, as that's where his community is going, or if he's using that to bring the queue people to him. | |
| That is one that I'm curious about. | |
| Oh, I mean, like the Ghost Ezra is using QAnon to try to pipeline people into neo-Nazism and Holocaust denial. | |
| So I mean, that is one of the biggest problems of QAnon is that it is this giant melting pot. | |
| I like to call it the grand unifying conspiracy theory, because if you believe in anything, QAnon will take you into their arms and they will welcome you. | |
| And then you can say anything you want. | |
| Because the whole point of QAnon is that we're united, we're together, we're a group, and if anyone tries to cast you out, then they're seen as the bad guy for being divisive and exclusionary. | |
| You're able to use that conspiracy melting pot to get people into your neck of the woods, no matter how dark that might happen to be. | |
| So I'm sure that he is trying to pull people over into the UFO world. | |
| So what was his take on this big UFO disclosure stuff that was all the rage for the last month? | |
| Oh, he... | |
| I'm sure that he was dancing for joy when that came up. | |
| He talks about... He had a video recently talking about some of those, and he was basically saying, like, yep, been telling you about this for years. | |
| You see I'm being proven right. | |
| My insiders are telling me that there's going to be even more revealed. | |
| We're going to be seeing, you know, full-on disclosure here pretty soon. | |
| But it's funny one of his one of the videos that he was using to say like hey, you know I've been telling this is the same ship that I showed you in my little PowerPoint like five years ago at a connection in the desert or whatever his thing was Was the I don't know if you've seen the video. | |
| It's like the light triangle thing. | |
| It's the the flying little triangle No Well, it's one of the UFO videos that have come out, and it's funny because I'm a professional photographer outside of digging into this hellscape that I've dug myself into. | |
| I'm a professional photographer, and it's not just me who says this. | |
| It's lots of professional photographers who look at that and go, oh, it's a bokeh effect from a lens. | |
| It's nothing more than a trick of the camera. | |
| But there he is. | |
| He's like, oh, you see, I've been proven right. | |
| And I think part of I think part of along with trying not to get banned I think part of the reason he's jumping back into the UFO stuff is because it's a lot more relevant now You know he his last two videos were The pyramid is a UFO relic or an alien ancient alien relic and that there were Let's see, in the 1950s there were like human alien time travelers revealed or something like that. | |
| Yeah. | |
| So I'm just trying to think about just like the current day and like where we are with all these kinds of things going on. | |
| So he's not that aggressively pro-Trump as it were. | |
| I mean he did say that he had talked to, Trump was talking to 17 and blah blah blah. | |
| He's very much, I think he's very much pro-Trump. | |
| He definitely did not Before Trump was elected, I don't see he wasn't a Hillary fan, but he wasn't like out and out, like, like hardcore. | |
| I think that's when I first started noticing the turn that he made from, you know, aliens are here and we got to talk to him to, hey, there's, you know, the cabal that I've been talking about all these years. | |
| Yeah, Trump is in on that. | |
| He. | |
| When Trump was in office, he was much more you know, aggressively kind of pushing him. He definitely, | |
| again, he talks in code. I don't think I have, I don't think I've seen a clip of him saying | |
| out and out like, oh, the election is stolen, specifically. But he definitely leans into that. He | |
| talks about how Trump was pushing for disclosure for all these different things. He talks about | |
| how, like, Bill Clinton and Hillary and all these Democrats basically knew about the secret cabal | |
| and were hiding the fact that there's this alien civilization down in Antarctica. It's a... | |
| Again, his politics are kind of wonky, but he's definitely more on the pro-Trump train. | |
| Is he going to have, is Trump getting reinstated in his mind? | |
| Is he on the recount world? | |
| Is he doing all that kind of stuff? | |
| I think, I think that he, he was on that train until the, until the January 6th insurrection. | |
| Uh, again, you know, he mentioned the three days of darkness. | |
| This was, this was after the election where he was talking about the three days of darkness and there were going to be mass arrests. | |
| Um, There were, you know, and the good guys were going to take control, and it was the military who was going to do it. | |
| It was these, you know, these people fighting the deep state were basically going to take over, and over Good Friday, because, you know, that was that he was talking about this in 20... Let's see. | |
| Oh, yeah. | |
| So, like, My timeline's a little wonky. | |
| So in 2020, around Good Friday, he was talking about how there was going to be the three days of darkness. | |
| And then after the election results, he was talking about how he brought it up again, like, oh, there's going to be like a blackout. | |
| Uh, and then we're, it's going to come back and all this shady stuff is going to be exposed. | |
| And, uh, Trump is going to, you know, be in control. | |
| The military has things under control. | |
| My insiders have told me this. | |
| So, um, he, he re it's difficult for me to remember exactly the timeline because he, he brings things up a lot. | |
| And then when they fail, he's like, oh, you know, you can't be very, very Q-like. | |
| He's like, you can't put a timeline on these things, even though my insiders told me like three days ago that it was going to happen today. | |
| You know, you just can't. | |
| These military operations, they're they're super, they're super convoluted and complicated. | |
| So you can't put a timeline on it. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Well, I mean, that's one of the best things these people can kind of do is to keep everything murky and mysterious so that they don't ever have to produce. | |
| They don't actually have to make a payoff happen, as it were. | |
| I actually heard Mike Lindell recently say that Trump would be back in office in October. | |
| And he was like, well, it might be a month or two after that. | |
| I might have jumped the gun a little. | |
| And it was just, he's already walking back October. | |
| And you can just see the way these people operate. | |
| Well, I think David learned that the hard way with his 2012 predictions, because he was real big on the Mayan calendar. | |
| And again, I don't know exactly what it was, because he scrubbed his content of what he was predicting for 2012, because he kind of got slammed for it. | |
| But there is, you hear mentions of it in some of his older talks where, you know, he'll be like, Oh, they, they made fun of me for not getting 2012 right. | |
| But, you know, it did happen. | |
| It's just like the event that needed to happen, happened. | |
| It just wasn't what we were told it was going to be. | |
| Like, which it's like, well, what the, then what was the event? | |
| What happened, uh, David? | |
| Yeah. | |
| Oh, hey, mistakes were made. | |
| I'm sorry, man. | |
| I don't know what to tell you. | |
| Look over here! | |
| Yeah, yeah. | |
| That's not important right now. | |
| What actually happened isn't important right now. | |
| What's really important is the fact that if you go to my website, you can sign up for this series that I'm doing that teaches you how to meditate. | |
| Oh, and buy some storable food. | |
| All of that. | |
| All of these things. | |
| That's the racket. | |
| So, uh, Do you have anything else to throw out about this guy? | |
| Anything that you don't think we've covered in this conversation? | |
| So basically the reason that I wanted to have this conversation is because I do think that, well, oh my gosh, sorry. | |
| I got this alert. | |
| I don't know if that came through or not, but anyway, the reason I wanted to have this conversation is because I do think that David provides a very tempting and Sticky pipeline into the QAnon beliefs and the fact that he is still blue checkmarked on Twitter. | |
| He's still on YouTube. | |
| He has millions of views. | |
| Now his views have dropped off. | |
| I think partially because of the fact that he went a while and some of his things didn't play out and you see people kind of giving him crap in his live stream comments. | |
| But he has a lot of followers and for the For the crazy thing that he puts out there, his followers are extremely loyal. | |
| And if you go and you watch the comments that show up in his livestream, you'll see people talking about how You'll see people mention Q. They're talking about how Soros needs to be arrested, how the election was stolen, and everything like that. | |
| So he is 100% attracting the Q crowd, and for those who aren't part of it, he is providing a gateway. | |
| He is really playing into it, and the fact that he is not facing repercussions for that blows my mind. | |
| Especially when you have him saying that You know, COVID was essentially a bioweapon. | |
| And I guess the way that he got around that was by saying, but socially distance from it, even though you don't necessarily have to. | |
| Oh, yeah. | |
| Just flim flam. | |
| just this constant need to Dance around these kinds of things and just make it up as | |
| you go along to keep the story going and keep your audience engaged | |
| the fact that he has a blue check mark on top of still being on Twitter when | |
| The only other person in that sphere I can think of that had that kind of big reach | |
| That's still on Twitter is like Mark Taylor the firefighter prophet and how and that guy was like full cue | |
| I mean he was just literally All cue all the time. He just totally | |
| Turned his Christian Like just right-wing God nonsense into a full-blown yeah | |
| cues got this totally right He nailed it and somehow when all the all the big guys got Taken off of social media on January 8th Mark Taylor still alive and kicking every now and then he'll like post something about how I can't believe they haven't suspended me yet, but I | |
| And so that for guys like Wilcox and him to have access to Twitter, it's a crazy blind spot for them to have. | |
| Yeah, and I think it does show that Twitter does not... I mean, they make a good effort of pretending that they care, but they really don't. | |
| Because... And the same with YouTube. | |
| You know, YouTube... There's no way you don't notice A guy making five hour long videos getting over a million views and right in the middle of it, he's saying, yeah, you know, this is all this is all a setup. | |
| COVID is a bioweapon and the lockdown is part of, you know, an evil thing that the cabal wants. | |
| But don't worry, the three days of darkness is coming. | |
| There's just no way you don't notice it. | |
| Yeah, it's open, outright promoting of Q and QAnon, and he's doing it, and he's still monetized. | |
| He's still allowed on the site. | |
| They're still letting him run his business, which is absurd. | |
| So, I mean, it's incredible that these people can get away with it still. | |
| They're still allowed to avoid Where can people reach you? | |
| kicked off these platforms and being censored which they should be because | |
| they're promoting nonsense and dangerous like crap. So I appreciate you being here | |
| I thank you for that. Where can people reach you? Do you have anything you're | |
| working on? Oh yeah so this is quite a branch off from my normal thing. I have a | |
| I have a podcast called Nerdy Talk, where I talk to people about nerdy things. | |
| Like, I talk to the voice of Ty from Digimon about voice acting and game designers and tabletop game stuff. | |
| So, you know, maybe not the best cross-marketing type thing, but... | |
| I am huge in the game design and I want to, we're going to have to go off record and start, I'm going to start spitballing some ideas to you. | |
| We are, we're going to, we're going to build a game. | |
| It's going to happen. | |
| Oh no, that, that works for me. | |
| Um, but yeah, so I have, I have my nerdy talk podcast, which there's only a few episodes out right now. | |
| Um, and then, but more are coming. | |
| And yeah, if you just want to find me on Twitter, it's at Bobby D Ellis. | |
| And I am a professional photographer. | |
| So if you're into that, like you can find Bobby D Ellis on Instagram. | |
| One thing I do want to say, because I feel like I rambled a little bit. | |
| I do want to say with David, I think that there's an important note here is I know a lot of people who are into these like fun and zany conspiracy theories, like aliens and Bigfoot and stuff like that. | |
| But I think that we see With people like David and George Norrie, because I know David was big on Coast to Coast for a long time. | |
| It's there. | |
| You really need to pay attention with that because it's easy to be sucked into. | |
| And if you're coming at it from a skeptical point of view like I do, then that's different. | |
| But I know a lot of people who are just like, oh, you know, this is what if? | |
| What if aliens are real? | |
| Just watch out for your loved ones with that one because these people, it's so often they provide that gateway and you don't even notice it because they've buried it so deep in their content. | |
| I, that's one of the things that I always get angry about with QAnon is the mainstream media reporting on them as being these wacky people that think JFK Jr's alive. | |
| And it's just, no, this is way more dangerous and way more serious than that. | |
| You need to understand that. | |
| They're like, no, look at how cuddly they are. | |
| They think JFK Jr's alive. | |
| And I'm just like, no. | |
| And then look, there's a guy standing in the well of the Senate celebrating the defeat of our government. | |
| And he's a QAnon supporter. | |
| It's like, great. | |
| Way to go, guys. | |
| Yeah, totally address this threat the way it should have been addressed all these months. | |
| Thanks. | |
| Well played. | |
| Yeah. | |
| You know that what the Q Shaman, I saw a picture of his car and there was a sticker on there, a bumper sticker that said life is good. | |
| So somewhere, somewhere along the line, he went from life is cool, man, like surfer bro type dude. | |
| To standing in the well of the Senate with frickin' bison horns on, you know, going, we're trying to burn the building down, essentially. | |
| Yep. | |
| So, and that's, that's the danger, that's the danger that people, that these gateway people and this pipeline pose, is because it starts out as fun, and, oh, like, you know, I just listen to him for the Bigfoot stuff. | |
| I don't listen to him, you know, I don't care about his thoughts on, like, The them with triple parentheses. | |
| It's just fun stuff that I listen to, but then it worms its way into your brain. | |
| Yeah, it's that. | |
| It's the big thing is that QAnon talks about the red-pilling guides, about finding common ground. | |
| Like, I start you with the UFOs, and we get common ground on that. | |
| And then I just slowly start getting the other stuff in there. | |
| And the next thing you know, bam, they're pilled. | |
| And that's how they operate. | |
| So yeah, it's incredibly insidious, and it's incredibly dangerous. | |
| And I really thank you for spending the time to talk to me and talk about this guy and these kinds of theories. | |
| I hope to see you on Twitter and maybe we'll do another one, maybe have a full pod review at some point down the line. | |
| So thanks very much for being here. | |
| Thank you so much. | |
| I really appreciate you having me and I'm just stoked to hear my voice come after that little intro song you got. | |
| I listen to every episode. | |
| Oh, it's coming. | |
| It's coming right down Broadway. | |
| I promise you. | |
| I will catch you later. | |
| All right. | |
| Thank you. |