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April 8, 2021 - Adventures in HellwQrld

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Adventures in HellwQrld Episode 29: Ron is Q

Ron Watkins is revealed to be Q. Pizzagaetz continues to get worse and worse for the embattled congressman. Trump scams his followers and the Washington Post gets mad at Travis View. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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	♫ Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of
	Adventures in Hellworld.
	I am Mike Rains, a.k.a.
	PokerandPolitics, and I am joined, as always, by Sarge.
	Aw, man, that song gets better every time I hear it.
	And by the mysterious Elle.
	Hola, my beautiful babies!
	South of the border, Elle.
	Yes, so this week we had some news in the QAnon universe, as it were, as HBO's meandering six-hour documentary stuck the landing.
	And as they say in a lot of entertainment professions, all people remember is the payoff.
	And yes, we did get ourselves a payoff.
	It's the prestige, baby!
	Exactly!
	Exactly!
	What a dumb, awful, over-Zoom prestige it was.
	Yes.
	But before we get into all of that, first the content warning.
	Content warning.
	The Adventures in Hellworld podcast talks in depth about QAnon, which means we have to talk about all kinds of child abuse and violence against people.
	Listener discretion advised.
	So, basically, that all happened.
	Our beautiful boy, Ron Watkins, who pretty much anyone who's been paying attention to this was one of the two major suspects of leaving behind Q. The other one being his dad, Jim Watkins.
	Managed to fuck up and say, by the way, guys, I'm Q, which was incredible and stupid and awesome and amazing.
	And that happened along with just all kinds of fun and frivolity this week.
	So we've got a lot to talk about in Q's in the News.
	From the digital headlines to the digital front lines, it's Q's in the News.
	So.
	All right, Mike.
	How long has it been since we've heard from CodeMonkey, aka Q?
	It has been a total of 119 days since the super-secret spy that was going to save us all from baby-eating Hillary Rodham Clinton and her cohort of evil people last gave us a secret communique, which, again, the last time Ron ever spoke to us as Q was a Trump fan video sent to We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore by Twisted Sister, which has been removed due to a DCMA claim, as it were.
	So, um, yes.
	So, you know, just casually, like a third or whatever of a year of just complete silence from on high.
	I mean, I guess he was too busy getting interviewed for the HBO documentary to, uh... He was too busy reading the Dominion Voter Manual.
	He was too busy making sensuous love to that life-size Rei Ayanami statue he's got.
	See, you haven't seen the documentary, so he was too busy going to Soaplands.
	That gets brought up more than once.
	That's how the documentarian gets in good with him.
	He's like, you should look up Soaplands, see if that's a thing you'd want to do.
	And it's like, what are you talking about?
	But as I said before, we can't get too much into that because we've got to talk about Uh, Matt Gaetz.
	Pizza Gaetz himself has been in the news quite a bit.
	Yes, a story that was breaking as we were recording last week just continued to develop unsurprisingly.
	Yeah, so Matt Gaetz has decided to just go all in on not resigning, not vanishing from the public eye, not any of these things.
	He is going to be just a lunatic about this stuff.
	He saw what Jim Jordan did and how he got away with turning a blind eye to all the scandals at Ohio State and all that other good stuff.
	So Matt's just gonna, as they say, tweet through it.
	Uh, he went on Tucker Carlson, um, right after we were done recording our podcast and basically implicated Tucker in being involved in this thing one way or another.
	Tried very hard.
	And then Tucker was just like, that was a weird interview.
	Why did he keep saying I was there?
	He's just like, yeah, we're celebrities.
	We're attractive celebrity men, Tuck.
	We've all done a bunch of ecstasy and blow and had sex with 17-year-old prostitutes, am I right?
	I mean, you get it.
	And Tuck's just like, uh... Tugging on his collar and just being like, I don't know about all that, bud.
	Now, Elle, in her defense, we do not know if she was in any way a sex worker.
	The person I was referencing is a different hypothetical person than the woman that is actually, like, involved in the dealio here.
	Because, you know, she's a victim because she's a minor.
	So I'm not cracking wise about a real person.
	I'm cracking wise about a different person that doesn't exist, as far as we know.
	yet. Because it's just come out in the past day or so that before Trump left office Matt
	Gates was looking for a blanket pardon from Trump for crimes, question mark.
	That's the sort of shit that you only get if they are lodging you into space to drill
	into the asteroid to plant the nuke that saves Earth.
	If you're just some, like, random empty suit, you don't get to ask for a blanket crime pardon.
	Hey, uh, President, you might assign me just, like, a blank pardon so I can commit whatever fucking crime I want.
	Can you imagine if he did that?
	And he's just like, ah, sweet, time to just go get my terrorism on.
	The President said this was on the house.
	That can't possibly be a thing, just a blanket pardon, right?
	I mean, it has to be for a crime or specific crimes of which you've been charged.
	It can't just be for future thought crimes.
	Right.
	I don't think you can get a future, like a preemptive pardon, as it were.
	But I think this kind of goes back to Ford pardoning Nixon, and he was just sort of like, any crimes Nixon did involving Watergate, He cannot be tried for.
	For the good of the nation, we're going to heal the country by just letting Nixon skate for Watergate.
	And so I think that's kind of the idea for the universal pardon.
	This is going to be our next comic book idea, similar to 100 Bullets.
	It's literally just called Blank Pardon.
	Blanket pardon?
	Just like some man in black shows up to your house with a briefcase and inside it is just a blanket pardon that absolves you of one crime or one series of smaller crimes leading to one big crime.
	So that way, you know, if you hook up with some people to kill someone, they can't, like, tactically get you on the conspiracy, but not the murder or whatever.
	No, no, no.
	It's just like, you get to commit one crime, scot-free.
	What do you do with it, buddy?
	One smaller crime.
	How many snicker bars can I steal under this blanket, pardon?
	I mean, if you don't mind throwing a bunch of people... Does it have to be like $5,000 worth?
	If you don't mind roping in a bunch of people that are gonna get pinched on conspiracy charges themselves, then you could probably launch some sort of conspiracy to steal, like, all of the snickers bars, right?
	Oh, wow, yeah.
	I wasn't thinking big enough.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	It's like a genie wish.
	You gotta do what you gotta do.
	I remember this was a plot point in the series 24, where one of the bad guys had Jack Bauer kidnapped or otherwise incapacitated, and they were like, I will help you guys defeat the terrorists, but I need a pardon, a future pardon, because I will, at the end of this event, kill Jack Bauer, and I need to be pardoned for murdering him.
	So that's the level of brilliance the Republican Party has always been working on ever since that series aired.
	When we were torturing people in Gitmo and stuff, you had like Antonin Scalia and Dick Cheney being like, well, it works on 24.
	So now Matt Gaetz is like, hey, future pardons are a thing.
	It was on that show with Kiefer Sutherland.
	Wait, are you doing a bit?
	Did they actually cite a television show?
	24 was a thing that Antonin Scalia and others cited as a justification for torture.
	This was a real thing that happened.
	I'm not joking.
	What?
	Yes.
	What?
	Yeah, this is America.
	They torture people on 24 and the American public loves it.
	The American public can't get enough of that torture!
	Do you know exactly what Pizza Gates has been charged with?
	Nothing yet.
	He's just being investigated?
	He's being investigated, and it just gets more unseemly and scummy as time goes along.
	He's being probed by the FBI, not unlike a hypothetical 17-year-old girl gets probed by Matt Gaetz.
	Right, exactly.
	And so yeah, it's just one of these things where if and when the charges come out, I feel like they're going to be way more horrifying than just like the surface level stuff we're seeing right now.
	And it's really odd that Matt seems to be doubling and tripling down and yet there was a period of time after the Tucker interview where like Fox News didn't mention Gates by name for like 48 hours at least.
	So I don't know how long that Gates blackout has gone for.
	But it seems like the powers that be know that defending this guy isn't that great of an idea.
	This is going to blow up sooner rather than later.
	Roger Stone and Alex Jones were freaking out defending Gaetz and saying that he was a 2024 frontrunner.
	He could topple Biden.
	That's why they're going after him.
	And then a couple of days later, Alex Jones was just sort of like, yeah, they're going after Matt Gaetz and that's not a great thing.
	But what are you going to do?
	Yeah, I listened to the Alex Jones, Roger Stone defense of Matt Gaetz.
	And like, like the the knowledge fight guys were saying, they just need to let them the the prosecution needs just call them to defend him.
	That was a mess.
	Just a mess.
	I love how many Q supporters' defense of Gates in this instance is literally just like, hey man, 16 or 17 is the age of consent in those states, so it's no big deal.
	And it's just like, isn't the basic tenet of being QAnon supposed to be the defense of children?
	Are you literally going to sit there and say that a 16-year-old girl is not a child?
	It's just like, oh, that's a full-grown woman.
	You should be able to have sex with her, no problem.
	You should be able to pay for her to fly across state lines to have sex with you in a state where it is not illegal.
	Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
	It's very weird how Save the Children becomes, hey, it's totally cool if the law allows it, do what you want.
	I mean, yeah, it, yeah, they, the, there's really not a lot of consistency in the morality of QAnon as it were.
	They're just here to get angry at their enemies and support their heroes and everything else is just window dressing.
	So if they can scream and yell about Bill Clinton being on the Lolita Express and that confirms he's a pedophile, 1,000% they're going to do it.
	If Matt Gaetz is taking women under the age of 18 across state lines and paying for their hotel rooms, hey, that's just a playboy having fun!
	Yeah, MBD.
	Yeah, Matt Gaetz likes to party.
	What's the problem with partying, bro?
	Why are you so upset?
	Yeah, but Tucker Carlson does it, right, Tuck?
	I mean, come on, bro, you understand?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Tucker Carlson knows how to party.
	He gets down and got down with Matt Gaetz.
	Matt Gaetz was just like, you remember that girl I brought to that party with you?
	You're your wife Metter.
	We all got freaky.
	And Tucker Carlson could not be just like more just looking at him just like shut the fuck up.
	You are not taking me down.
	I am the millionaire heir to the Swanson estate.
	I don't need you.
	You are a dumb, failed son of a rich guy who's never faced consequences in your life, and now you've gone a little too far, and Daddy's money ain't gonna bail you out, and I ain't gonna bail you out.
	No, come on!
	You remember, you had that lady do, like, blow off of your cock, and you said, I'm Chuck, and I'm here to fuck, and we all had a nice big laugh about it, and then we did, in fact, fuck her.
	Remember?
	You remember that, Chuck?
	Come on!
	Come on!
	You remember that time we made an Eiffel Tower?
	Like...
	That would be the greatest thing in the world, if there was actual edited footage, like the Snyder Cut of the Tucker Carlson, Matt Gaetz interview, where it's just all the horrible stuff they couldn't put on TV.
	It would be so magical if we actually... Remember that time we hired that six foot tall lady just so we could have sex with both of her holes and still be social distancing to own the libs?
	Come on, Tuck, you remember?
	We were both wearing a mask, but they were like, get masked, get it?
	Remember that time we killed a woman and put her brain in a robot to construct a sex cyborg?
	Good times.
	Remember when we weird-scienced that lady Tuck?
	I mean, come on!
	This shit is illegal now?
	We've been doing this forever!
	Me and you, you and me, always together like Rick and Morty, the two of us, doing all these crimes!
	Wait, movie weird-science or TV weird-science?
	Oh, buddy, both.
	When you're the Weird Science Gabe, you want it all the ways.
	So while Matt's been going around making this dumpster fire around himself happen, the Women for America First have invited Matt Gaetz to speak at whatever convention they're doing.
	So there are people actually trying to rally around this guy, even as toxic as he currently is.
	So This is just something, it's like the weirdification of the Republican Party.
	It's like once Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert got into office, the Republicans were like, you know what?
	We can just let our freak flag fly.
	We can just lose it.
	We can just go totally apeshit crazy and our voters don't care.
	Because all they're in this for is owning the libs.
	And as long as you get on television and talk about how masks are bad and don't trust the vaccine and all this other dumb shit, no one actually cares about anything else you have to say.
	Or do.
	Like, you can do anything.
	It's what Trump said about shooting someone on Fifth Avenue and not losing any followers.
	We're going down that road where the Republican Party is just becoming more feral, more rabid, and more incoherent by the minute.
	Yeah, you're not wrong.
	So we've been on this for a little while.
	We've had our next item.
	I don't know who Travis View is, but apparently the Washington Post is upset with him.
	Because apparently the Washington Post also had no idea who Travis View was.
	Right, exactly.
	This is what's really hilarious here is Travis Few is the pseudonym or stage name for Logan Strain, which is an incredible name and it sounds way more like a stage name as everyone is talking about it.
	Yeah, I was about to say, let's just jump into this part of the story right the fuck now.
	If your real actual name is Logan Strain, just use it and people will assume it is your stage name.
	That sounds like the person, like, Wolverine's twin brother who is secretly working the Weapon X program.
	You know what I mean?
	Or the virus that turns everyone on the planet into vampires.
	The Logan Strain.
	Logan Strain sounds like a sci-fi hero.
	Like, oh, it's Commander Logan Strain.
	Exactly.
	But the thing about this that's so ridiculous is Travis had always made it clear that he was using a pseudonym.
	I think all of the guys on QAA had said they were doing this.
	Because again, you're dealing with the lunatics in the QAnon world that are not opposed to violence in order to get what they want.
	See?
	January 6th and all that good stuff.
	So, the big problem, I mean, the Washington Post is incredibly snitty and angry, like, tête-à-tête with Travis.
	They were very mad that they let Travis write a couple articles for them under his stage name when apparently that was verboten, which is ridiculous because it's up to you to talk to these people and find out if it's their real name or not, not just be like, Oh, Travis for you.
	Absolutely.
	That has to be his real name.
	Even though I don't know anyone who didn't know this!
	Honestly, I didn't, but that's just true to character for me, sort of being detached from any of this Q stuff.
	But, I mean, even if the people talking to Mr. Strain, like, didn't know it was a stage name when they were talking to him, and they just thought, hey, this guy's name is Travis View.
	Like, you would think that a building full of journalists would at some point ask this guy for, like, an ID, or just, like, straight up ask him, for the record, what's your name?
	You know what I mean?
	But, like, apparently you can get as far as just writing articles, like editorial pieces, for the Washington Post under some fake fucking name, because they're just not going to check!
	I mean, they're reporters.
	It's hard.
	It's hard to do reporter work.
	Yeah, how the fuck are we supposed to take the Washington Post seriously?
	Like, I mean, not that we were before, but if we were before, how the fuck are we supposed to take them seriously now?
	They're clearly bad at their job.
	It's really weird because I have had all kinds of people vetting my stage name.
	Whenever I talk to people, they always ask, is this your real name?
	Yes, no.
	I've had weird things happen where when I get interviewed and I'm quoted, people will put my name in quotes to let people know it's fake, which is odd.
	So I've always, and one of the things that's really funny is when I talk to people and they're like, blah, blah, blah.
	And I'm like, well, I go by the stage name Mike Rains because I picked a really lazy stage name because Travis View literally said that he was looking out his office at his job one day and he thought, I have a nice view.
	And that's why I took the stage name.
	I think that was a story I heard of him.
	I could be senile just making that up, but.
	Yeah, but I mean, it was just like, the origin story of Mike Raines was grab a lazy name quickly and just get it out there.
	Don't spend a day being like, what's my stage name gonna be, bro?
	What am I gonna work this out as?
	So, and I would have these conversations with people and then we would get into Travis.
	And what's also makes me laugh about all of this stuff is, The Logan Strain part of it is such a boss kind of name, why not just roll with it?
	You also have the QAnon debunker, Mike Rothschild, who, I mean, my god, if there was ever anyone who would have gone with his stage name to avoid dealing with all that shit, it would have been that guy.
	But he just decided, you know what, screw it, I'm just gonna own it.
	I'm just gonna own the fact that my last name is Rothschild, and that it's gonna trigger all of these QAnon people in the most vicious way possible, because Rothschild's Waka Waka!
	Anyway, this shit pissed off the Washington Post to the point where they posted this sort of weird hit piece on Travis View where they bring up the amount of income that his podcast is generating in like a way to sort of like You know, further this sort of narrative.
	Like, the implication is to further this narrative that he has somehow, like, with great intent and maliciousness hoodwinked the Washington Post, among others, when it's just simply not true.
	And, like, anyone who was just willing to ask the question as to whether or not his legal name was Travis Few Like, he would have just told them, no, that is my stage name.
	Like, I have just been going under that name because I operate on the internet.
	And you know, like a lot of the times people just do not use their real fucking names on the internet.
	So wild.
	I love that.
	But it was great that the Washington Post was so pissed off that they posted this hit piece.
	And I think now they have retroactively added like a correction to every article Uh, that he was involved in.
	Uh, I believe not even just, like, the stuff he wrote, but the stuff that he, like, was cited as an expert on.
	There's some, like, little footnote where it's just like, the evil supervillain Logan Strain went under the assumed name Travis View for his spell and really got his good, so we don't like him anymore, and we just want you to know that too, reader.
	It's like, what the fuck, Washington Post?
	Yeah, it's so weird.
	It's so weird that they're so bent out of shape about this when Travis is on their side.
	He's just doing the work they want done.
	You have an expert in the field of QAnon and disinformation writing content for you that you obviously didn't pay him for, because if you had paid him for those op-eds, you would have had to cut him a check under his legal name so he would have known those things.
	You literally got a person to write op-eds for you, quote-unquote, for exposure.
	You got free content from someone who is a trusted name on the internet, a guy who can link that article to other people, and they will go to it.
	Because, oh look, Travis wrote something.
	Travis is good.
	I trust Travis.
	I'm going to read this shit.
	He is generating traffic for your, uh, paper and website, uh, Grottus, as it were, and the way you repay him is to get incredibly mad when you were the only people in the room who didn't know he was using a pseudonym.
	Yeah, and the fucking way they found out about it was watching the HBO documentary that we'll be talking about later.
	He made a comment during that that he operates under an assumed name or whatever, and it literally freaked the entire bean out of the Washington Post.
	They just had no fucking idea what to do with themselves.
	I can just imagine, like, you know, the head of their editorial board just sitting there, just, like, vibrating with a red-hot fury, over-learning that Travis, you pulled the wool over their eyes because they never bothered to ask him his real fucking name.
	Got'em.
	Got'em.
	It's it's so it's so bizarre.
	I just don't understand why they got so bent out of shape over it.
	And I also don't understand how they didn't even do the most cursory level of research to know it was a stage name because Again, this isn't even an open secret.
	This is just a fact.
	This is just a known thing that those guys were going by stage names because, again, QAnon, not the coolest people in the world to confront and antagonize.
	People get dodged.
	People get harassed.
	I mean, I've posted all the hilarious emails I got.
	I think it was Punished Dem was the guy who got really upset when he got his latest Ban Evasion account suspended.
	He blamed it on my QAnon Twitter ban evasion thread.
	And he and like four or five other people were emailing me like, Baby, you coward!
	You're gonna burn in hell and your tongue will never taste water to quench your thirst and agony and blah, blah, blah.
	So, yeah, I mean, you're dealing with a group of people that don't handle criticism very well and can threaten to throw you in the Grand Canyon, which is my favorite death threat I've received.
	That's nice.
	That's like a classy way to die, right?
	Yeah, I mean, if you've got to die anywhere, at least be someplace scenic, right?
	Right.
	I get to look around as I'm slowly free-falling into the Grand Canyon.
	That sounds majestic.
	It would!
	I mean, maybe you could strap a GoPro to me on my farewell so you could watch my descent?
	I mean, hey, I'm here for him and his content as he creates it via murdering me.
	So, this is just so silly.
	It is so bizarre to me that You could turn on somebody who was helping you, and you're turning on them due to your own gross incompetence.
	Your own crippling stupidity is the whole reason why you're mad at them.
	Alright, well that's enough of the Washington Post being dumb.
	Tell me about Trump being dumb.
	Well, Trump's followers being dumb?
	They're all dumb.
	He's still stealing from them.
	Tell me about this.
	Uh, so it turns out that, uh, one of the, uh, Trump, uh, uh, donation forms or one of the ways you could give money to the Trump 2020 campaign, uh, towards the end of the campaign, they were facing a bit of a cash crunch.
	So they needed some way to like get more money into their coffers for the homestretch.
	So they started, uh, changing the way your donations worked and it became, uh, it got to the point where they were doing weekly, uh, donations.
	So if you were only giving Trump like 20 bucks, now you were giving him like 20 bucks a week.
	And if you weren't tracking your bank account, they were just taking that money just constantly from you.
	And, uh, they just cleaned up.
	They were just raking in all this money from people.
	Um.
	Without their knowledge or really their consent.
	Because this was, again, this was like fine print bullshit.
	Because in the early parts of the campaign, you hit the button and it was just a one-time donation.
	And then later on it became a reoccurring monthly and then it became reoccurring weekly.
	So the absolute scumminess and the total lack of any concern whatsoever for their supporters.
	I mean, it's incredible how sociopathic the Trump campaign was at the end there.
	These weekly donations.
	The three different times Trump gave a rally in the middle of the night and then left and there were no buses to pick people up and take them back to their cars and they would have to walk like miles back to their cars or find Ubers or whatever.
	There was that campaign rally in Nebraska where people were getting frostbite trying to get back to their cars.
	That was good times.
	People got hospitalized.
	I mean, it just goes to show you that They don't give a shit about anyone.
	They're all just about making money and just getting Trump reelected to keep the grifts going.
	This whole narrative that QAnon has about Donald Trump as this brave, stoic, champion of the people, fighting the deep state is such incredible bullshit and goes against everything Donald Trump has ever been in his life.
	It's mind blowing.
	I mean, you just see these stories.
	That happened in the lying mainstream media that QAnon will never acknowledge.
	And they just run from it.
	This story has come up exactly nowhere in QAnon world.
	Every place I monitor, no one's brought it up.
	No one said a word about it.
	Because they can't.
	They can't talk about these things.
	They can never talk about their big orange daddy actually being a terrible person.
	Yeah, that'd be too... I mean, they would have to admit something that they were wrong about, and that's...
	Just not going to happen.
	Yeah, I'm sure it's not.
	I'm sure it's not even the last time on this podcast that we're going to be talking about QAnon followers like just fucking throwing their fingers in their ears and closing their eyes and going, la la la la la, and ignoring patently obvious truths presented with them.
	Yeah.
	So do we do we suppose that the Trump's campaign is ever going to get in any sort of trouble, either from the fan base or from the government?
	They have had people get some money back.
	Like, there are people who have actually now disputed the charges and now are refunding money back to people who have caught on to what happened.
	But, I mean, the thing that's really kind of weird is because you live in the Trump MAGA echo chamber, You're only going to hear about this story from the mainstream media.
	So the only way you're going to know you got ripped off is if you check up on this from quote unquote, not approved sources.
	So it's going to be very interesting to see how many people Figure out they were fleeced and ask for their money back.
	Because also there's going to be a group of people who are just going to be ashamed.
	They're going to be people who found out they got suckered.
	And you're like, Oh, well, Trump got one over on me.
	That's why he's a smart businessman.
	And I'm just a joke working at the nine to five.
	So I mean, you're going to have that mentality also kind of permeating this thing.
	But I think I saw one article about this that said about $118 million got siphoned into the Trump campaign through these kinds of scummy tactics.
	So that's a lot of money for them to be holding on to.
	And also, I believe this, this, instead of ActBlue, which is a nonprofit, the people that were doing this is called RedWin.
	And RedWin is for profit.
	And I believe that if you ask for your money back, they charge a transaction fee to give you your money back.
	So, they just get you every which way.
	They're going to scam you, and once they've got your money, you're going to have to fight tooth and nail to get it back, and they're still going to get their cut.
	Perfect.
	Yeah, it's just sociopathic grifters just doing anything they can to get money.
	Just literally stealing candy from babies because that's what they do.
	That's how they operate.
	Hey, Tuck, you remember when we found those girls that would do anything for money?
	You remember?
	They were like, we'll do anything for money.
	And me and you were both just like, anything.
	And then we winked at each other, and then we did all that fucked up shit.
	You remember, Tuck?
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Remember when we recreated the Purge?
	We just both pretended crime was legal for 12 hours.
	Oh boy.
	I mean, they're white dudes with money.
	Who's pretending?
	Yeah, crime is just legal.
	It's like that John Mulaney bit about weed being legal.
	It's just like, you're white.
	Weed's always been legal for you.
	Yeah, calm down white people. So do we want to move on from the Trump fleecing to the real juicy bit?
	Yeah, I saved us a bunch of time.
	I was about to take us in.
	Mike, tell me who Q is.
	Spoiler alert, Q is Ron Watkins.
	I can't believe it.
	It's so shocking.
	How did you know?
	You'd have to be a real attractive genius with a huge penis to have predicted this one.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	You would have had to have had the body of at least two Chinese soldiers.
	Maybe even three.
	You need to have like a 46 pack.
	You need to be a Chinese soldier centipede.
	Or possibly you could do the laziest research ever like me.
	And I think on the second episode I was on, I was like, oh, it's Ron Watkins.
	I actually, I will have to admit, I'll have to take the big L here for myself because I most of the time said it was Jim Watkins who was Q. And I, yep, just absolute buffoonery on me.
	I accused the dad when it was really the son, waka waka.
	I ended up, just one QAnon promoter, just had one of the only people that actually engaged on this whole Ron is Q thing.
	And he was just like, there's no way Ron is Q, brr brr brr.
	And he was like, why did it take the media so long to figure it out?
	So I actually, because I knew that Jim had been my guest the whole time, I went through my timeline to figure out when I started calling Jim Watkins Q. And it was in December of 2019.
	So like for over a year and a half now, I've been accusing one of the two Watkins boys of being Q. Year and a half, right?
	Yeah.
	So I'm going to, but hey, if you want to say I got it wrong, okay, nail me.
	I don't care.
	But this is the thing is that, and I've said this for forever, is that Ron and Jim control 8chan and 8kun.
	They dictate who has access and control to the Q account.
	They can edit it.
	They can deny posts.
	They can do whatever they want.
	They can change the trip code.
	So the idea that they don't have total control over this thing is lunacy.
	So looking for the actual person who's writing this stuff is kind of superfluous because you already had the people that were in charge of this and they were hiding in plain sight the whole time.
	I mean, but at the end of the day, it was just so strange that you would just have so many people looking at different angles, working different sides, trying to bullshit their way through stuff.
	And I was just like, no, it's Ron or Jim.
	It's them.
	It's the guys who run the site.
	Q themselves said, I will never post anywhere but 8chan.
	Why would Q tether himself to 8chan if he's not one of them?
	It's so ridiculous.
	Occam's Razor this shit.
	Seriously.
	Yeah, it's like Spider-Man being, you know, like Peter Parker's the only person that can get photos of Spider-Man.
	Like, if you need to get a message of Spider-Man, you could probably do it by going to Peter Parker.
	And then the Green Goblin shows up and blows open Peter Parker's wall and flies in on his glider and is just like, I've discovered your secret, Peter Parker!
	You're Spider-Man's best friend!
	And it's just like, what?
	No, he's fucking smart!
	What are you talking about?
	Or like Batman?
	It's just like, man, in order to get all that crime-solving done, Batman would have to be like a billionaire, and he'd have to be like in really good shape, and, you know, he's clearly a white dude, so... Probably have some sort of emotional trauma in his history, like... Bruce Wayne's over there just like stroking his giant, like, Adonis chin, being just like, yes, could be anyone.
	Bruce Wayne with his body of a Chinese soldier, just absolutely ripped.
	Why is that billionaire a ninth degree black belt in every form of martial arts?
	I mean, it's so odd.
	He really cares about personal fitness.
	So what happened on the show was after six hours of really weirdly meandering documentary, They had the big scene where Cullen, the guy making the mock documentary, is talking to Ron.
	And at one point, Ron's like, well, Q's never just going to go out and Midi's Q to you.
	And Cullen's like, yeah, I know, blah, blah, blah.
	And they just keep talking.
	And then finally, after years of Ron telling Cullen that, you know, I don't really follow the Chanboards at all.
	I don't really do anything.
	I'm not a part of them.
	People yell at me to do some co-administrative stuff, I show up, but that's about it.
	Ron suddenly gets in, he's like, oh yeah, I'm huge in the poll, like half the threads are like digs I've done that I've posted on the poll and stuff like that.
	And Ron starts admitting that he's a huge chantrel, and after he gets into this whole thing about it, oh yeah, I'm a total chantrel, I'm big on the boards, I do all this work.
	He then says, Oh, I've been doing this anonymously for like meeting people, helping them think correctly for like the last three years anonymously.
	And then he kind of realizes that's a bad thing to say.
	And then he just adds in, but not his cue.
	Real quick, but not his cue.
	And then after he says that, he gives a dumb, shit-eating grin, and then he starts laughing hysterically, and so does Cullen.
	And then when Ron finally gets his wits about him, he's like, Not you!
	Totally not you!
	You can't prove I'm you!
	And it's so bad.
	It's so ridiculous.
	And I mean, Vice posted that article that I shared with you guys and like just about how Q revealed themselves.
	That was their title is Q revealed himself and no one cares, especially not QAnon.
	Like they don't care.
	They think it's their own cabal of like shadowy military geniuses.
	It's just so, like, I knew it wouldn't matter when he just looks at the camera and says, I'm not Q, wink.
	I was like, this doesn't mean anything.
	Well, yeah, I mean, they can't allow it to matter because Q is supposed to have Q level clearance and Ron Watkins ain't got shit.
	So if they acknowledge that he is the man behind the curtain, it means that they are acknowledging that everything is a sham.
	All of it is a sham.
	So, you know, it really just sort of boils down to, like, Ron Watkins is cute now.
	I certainly don't think he is the only person who was writing the posts.
	I think it's pretty obvious that more than one hand was in those posts.
	In your defense, I think Jim definitely wrote or drafted some and probably someone else at 8kun.
	And then I do believe that they stole it.
	They stole Q from that idiot from South Africa who started it.
	Yeah, Paul Ferber.
	Paul Ferber.
	I never remember his name.
	Because that part of the documentary is so weird because Paul Ferber just like kind of won't admit that he was Q,
	or like was working in the Discord chat with those people.
	But he's like, hey, Ron Watkins knows the new Q is bullshit,
	but he won't admit it.
	I hate it.
	I'm so angry about it.
	And it's like, well, why don't you like actually like talk about what you know there, Paul?
	Why are you- I wonder why Ron wouldn't admit it.
	Yeah, it's so weird.
	I wonder why you and Paul won't admit it.
	It's so weird that nobody wants to admit to being Q, except for all the times
	where they sort of like accidentally do.
	And then what was so awesome was the Watkins boys have like their like weird live stream thing they do
	after these HBO documentaries come out to rebut what happened and talk about things.
	And Ron, Ron was talking about how, oh, I'm not Q, and the ending of Q proved that I'm not, because if I was running Q, I would have ended it better.
	And it's like, how do you know Q ended, idiot?
	Like, why are you talking about Q ended?
	Q never signed off.
	Q never said, I gotta leave.
	I gotta go back to my home world.
	He's so bad at this.
	He's just...
	Q could post a Q drop tomorrow, you cretin!
	I mean, you don't know if Q ended or not, but you're the one saying, oh yeah, Q ended, it's over now.
	And I would have ended it better if I was Q, but I'm not.
	It's like O.J.
	Simpson writing that book, If I Did It.
	I mean, it's the same deal.
	Rah, If I Was Q by Ron Watkins.
	If I Was Q, it's so dumb!
	He is so bad at this, and it's so ridiculous that he is even trying to defend it.
	He should just shut up is what he needs to do.
	He needs to just not talk about it, just put his head down, and just let the idiots keep LARPing the way they want to LARP.
	It's so ridiculous how bad he is at this.
	And this documentary really like went to pains taking details to show who has game and who understands how to manipulate media and how to manipulate a person making a documentary and who is a schmuck who doesn't get how documentaries that have an agenda and an angle are going to portray you.
	The funniest thing in this documentary, besides Ron just giving up the game, was there was this one series of shots in the last episode, I believe it was, where the guy from Just Informed Talk, the QAnon promoter Christian guy there, who's been on the show a lot, They bring in someone who is in Michael Flynn's inner circle, and they're trying to give these guys bullshit information.
	Flynn is manipulating these people, and they're working their scam.
	And this guy's talking, and the just-informed-to-talk guy just keeps burping loudly and aggressively during this guy's takes.
	The guy is trying to do a shot for a camera.
	That was great.
	The Just Informed Talk Guy is just like... And the thing is that you know the documentarian is recording you doing this, and you know the documentarian has an agenda to make you look like a clown.
	This is grade-A clown shit material they're gonna dunk on you with.
	It was like those people cheating on millionaire in Europe or whatever.
	It was just somebody loudly coughing in the audience.
	Yeah, it's that.
	I mean, it's just, it's so ridiculous.
	is me. Exactly. Yeah, it's that. I mean, it's just, it's so ridiculous. And if you are, the thing is, is that like, all
	of these people that were like the schmucks that were the QAnon
	followers, and Jim and Ron, in a lot of ways, they were just so
	unsavvy and so lacking understanding of how media gets created and how documentaries are made, that they just let
	this guy film them, and then just have all this material to then like edit and slice together and build a narrative
	and crush them.
	And then...
	On the other side of the how-you-game-the-media people is Thomas Schoedenberger, who I never want to hear that man's name.
	He is such a dead end for all of this bullshit, and I have no interest in him at all.
	I probably said his name right.
	It sounded like Schoedenberger or whatever, but again, screw him.
	Fuck him.
	He's not Q. He never was Q. The people that did this weird thing tying Cicada 3301 Oh God, all the cicada shit was so boring and needless.
	Yeah, but the one payoff that made me laugh so much is it's like you just have, again, burpy moron Q guy on one end, then you have Thomas on the other end getting himself presented as a giant CGI-ed cicada, because Colin will do anything to get his story on film, and it just goes to show you who knows how to work a guy and who doesn't know how to work a guy.
	It's so funny. Everyone in Fallen Vision, every level, is a lunatic.
	He's like, yeah, Ron, yeah, Ron, I'll go to a Japanese sex worker to get you to confess to
	being cute because now you'll trust me. Yeah, I'll march up a mountain with you with a hammer
	to make mochi, whatever. Right, yeah. All of it.
	He's doing everything to placate Ron, and Ron can't see he's being suckered.
	And at the same time, again, when he's like, hey, Thomas, can we do this interview?
	Only if I'm a giant CGI cicada!
	You got it, no problem.
	Whatever you want.
	The moon is yours.
	When you do these kinds of things, you need to talk about, oh, you know, do I have any rights to the edit?
	Do I get to see the cut before you air it?
	Anything?
	I mean, all of these QAnon people just left their asses hanging out in the wind, like the total guileless cretins they were.
	And on the other side, you have That guy in the first episode, Flashjack or whatever his name was, he gets to be filmed in the darkness with his glasses on, all spooky and anonymous.
	They had a couple other people being filmed, those cloud people, all wispy and ethereal.
	Then you have Cicada Tom.
	And it just really goes, it's just really so weird how QAnon always presents themselves as like the savviest, smartest, most on top of things, we know how to work the fake news media, and they're all just portrayed basically as incredulous boobs, and the other people that
	are just like more like Q adjacent, managed to just work the
	documentarian like a speed bag and get whatever they want from
	him handed to them on a silver platter.
	Yeah, it is.
	you The whole presentation is poor.
	The content is good.
	I understand why he did a lot of what he did to try and give you context and history for how he thinks Q came about, but He needed to do a better job of telling us when things were being when interviews were being done, because it's not readily apparent that this takes place over three years.
	I knew took place over three years because I knew the story of how, like, the Watkins tried to have Frederick Brennan arrested.
	I was like, wait, this is in the past.
	He doesn't live in the Philippines anymore.
	Yeah.
	Good content, bad execution and arrangement, just in general.
	Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, just based on you guys talking about it, it's not exactly the sort of thing that I am champing at the bit to check out myself.
	I mean, I got to see the prestige of Ron Watkins and his dumb cowboy hat being out at his cue.
	And, uh, that makes all the difference.
	Even though, again, the identity of Q is largely irrelevant, and that's why most of these, uh, Q documentaries totally miss the fucking point.
	Especially the Vice documentary, which just got it wildly wrong, apparently.
	Just completely fucking biffed it.
	Yeah, they were just such a train wreck.
	And this documentary, it felt like it either should have been two, two and a half hours tight about what QAnon is, the damage it's done, and then revealing Ron Watkins' Q so he could be publicly shamed for being behind this terrible evil movement, or it needed to be like a 10 hour long documentary to just go into the weeds and all the dumb shit that like, he kind of like, Got halfway into a bunch of stuff that was interesting and then just sort of bailed out on it.
	So it felt like the six hour documentary format was kind of the worst of all worlds.
	It was really strange in a lot of ways.
	I I found it really, uh, like the, the paths, a lot of the paths it took were really bizarre.
	Like there was in episodes five and six, there was this weird moment where Cullen was just kind of like, and then Frederick Brennan was kind of crossing lines and getting a little too wild.
	And even Travis View was like, Hey, Frederick, you might want to dial it back a little.
	And you would have Frederick, like, doxing Ron's wife or Jim's wife.
	I forget who it was, but you have Fred doing all these things, going hard at the Watkins boys.
	And then you have the Watkins boys getting interviewed and being like, man, Fred's really taking this to us.
	This is so mean.
	Why is Frederick such a bad guy to us?
	And then right after that, you then have Frederick having to flee the Philippines because he's about to be arrested.
	And if Fred goes to jail, he'll probably die, which is made clear in the documentary.
	And according to the documentary, his plane literally took off minutes before his indictment was being handed down by the Philippines' illegal system.
	And that was Jim manipulating the system to get Fred arrested.
	So it's really weird that you have it in the can that Jim is literally using the legal system to kill Fred.
	I mean, that's what's happening here.
	If Fred goes to jail, he's gonna die.
	And everyone knows this.
	And yet you still felt the need to like run this 10, 15 minutes of footage where you kind of portray Fred is the
	bad guy and Ron and Jim is kind of being like, put upon guys who are just taking way too much heat because Fred's
	just got way too much of an axe to grind for them.
	And their response is the casual attempt to use the legal system of the Philippines to kill Fred.
	It just, it seems so weirdly disproportionate what the Watkins do to Fred.
	And yet you play the, you play the documentary like it's a tete a tete where they're making chess, they're making
	chess moves against each other.
	And now maybe Fred's like taking it a little too far.
	And it's like, no, you know what the endgame of this is.
	The endgame of this is Literally putting a disabled man in a Filipino prison where he won't survive, and that's what the Watkins plan to defeat Fred is, is to kill him.
	Which, I don't know, maybe don't portray those guys in any kind of good light when they're trying to pull shit like that?
	That was a different other thing I kind of wanted to talk about.
	I didn't know Ron Watkins was married because he talks about women a lot in this documentary and talks about visiting sex workers more than once for a married man in front of someone recording him.
	Like, not to judge, but that's weird.
	Yeah, that is really odd.
	I mean, and that's one of the big plot points that's kind of like glossed over.
	I remember in one of the chats I've been having with people, someone said, Hey, are they just casually implying that the documentarian went to a sex worker to earn Ron's trust?
	Did they just sort of glide over that?
	And we just talked about it.
	Like, yes, that is the thing that kind of glided over that Ron was like, Hey, Go with me to this, uh, basically a brothel.
	It'll be great.
	Waka waka!
	Yeah, it's legal in Japan.
	He didn't do anything illegal, but yeah, Ron straight up, like, mafia-style tested him.
	Hey, Tuck, you remember that time that we totally didn't do anything illegal?
	Everything was totally above board.
	Remember that one, Tuck?
	Me and you doing those totally legal 16-year-olds because we were in Alabama or whatever.
	So good.
	Tuck!
	Where are you going, Tuck?
	Get back here, Tuck!
	Ta-da!
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, and the other thing that blew me away in this documentary that like was just a weird editorial choice
	voice.
	was the total lack of a content warning before the Christchurch shooting with the Foley work, which is way excessive.
	And then they play the January 6th riot in the Capitol building, and they have this indie cover of Feed Your Head playing over all of it as we're Seeing the cop shoot the woman during the protest, seeing the other cop being crushed in the doors, people busting out windows, knocking down doors, screaming, waving Trump flags.
	And I'm just watching this and I'm thinking to myself, you know, does a January 6th protest really need punch up?
	Is this, like, the kind of media that you look at?
	I appreciate his Snyder Cut-style music choice of just, like, that lady screaming, White Rabbit.
	They should have just fucking, uh, they should have just played, Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked Tonight.
	That would have been a good one.
	If you're looking to punch up a riot, that's always a great go-to.
	I would have also appreciated Nazi Punk's Fuck Off.
	There's a number of musical choices.
	But that would be tonally dissonant, because what you're looking at is Nazis doing a thing successfully, which is an insurrection, breaking into a building and harming people.
	So you probably don't want to pair that with music condemning what they're doing, because that'll be like total whiplash.
	Versus if you are watching a bunch of white supremacists kick some poor police officer's head in, then, you know, my choice is still pretty good.
	Hey, those white supremacists killed that police officer by hitting him with bear mace that triggered a bad allergic reaction that gave him a stroke.
	Ah, so what you're saying is that for the punch-up they should have played some mace.
	Yes!
	As QAnon has angrily stated, that man did not get killed by a fire extinguisher, even though other cops got hit in the head with fire extinguishers during the riots.
	The cop that died actually died due to a chemical allergen reaction, which is somehow excusable?
	Question mark?
	Yeah, and also, at the end of the day, aren't these the same thin blue line idiots that are talking about how important cops are?
	Yes!
	It's so weird that they can talk about how important police are and how much they support them while killing them by shooting them in the face with bear mace, and also how much they hate the idea of child sex trafficking while just being like, oh, Matt Gaetz and Tucker Carlson's Wild Ride is totally cool.
	Allegedly, Tucker Carlson.
	Not allegedly Matt Gaetz.
	Getting word in my headset right now that Tucker Carlson insists he wasn't involved in any of that, but, you know, tell that to Matt Gaetz.
	Matt Gaetz- Tuck, you were there.
	Your wife was there.
	That- I can't finish that joke.
	That Filipino little person was there.
	She had a Roman candle in each hand.
	I was literally- Remember that, Tuck?
	Tuck, you remember that one?
	We've known each other too long.
	I was about to make the same joke.
	We paid her $22.25 American and she stood in the room and watched while we did our thing.
	You remember that, Tuck?
	Tuck!
	Tuck!
	I just love a real good old Metal Gear Solid death screams on Tuck Dads.
	Tuck!
	Tucker Carlson wants no part of this shit.
	Which is why we're just gonna have to throw him in the mud every chance we get.
	It was just really odd.
	Again, the punch up was just really odd.
	It just felt...
	Like, these were events and moments that you could just sort of have them speak for themselves and not, like, add on to them.
	And, like, circling back to what you said about the Blue Lives Matter thing, QAnon is aggressively watching the murder trial, the George Floyd murder trial, and they They just want the cop to get away with it.
	I mean, that's really what all this comes down to.
	Well, yeah, because the police officer's life was in danger for nine minutes.
	Yes.
	Well, I mean, that guy that was handcuffed and on the ground on his stomach, surrounded by cops, could have, at any moment, overpowered and killed all of them.
	For nine minutes.
	Nine minutes of pants-shitting terror while you fucking choked the life out of somebody with your knee.
	Nine Minutes of Pants, Shitting Terror.
	There's the episode title.
	That's us.
	I have not been keeping up with that trial at all because I've seen this movie enough times to know what the outcome is.
	No charges.
	Maybe someone gets fired.
	Is there any universe where this dude gets convicted of murder?
	I can't really picture it.
	Not in the America that I live in.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm the dull-eyed moron that I have hope, and that hope will almost assuredly be crushed by, again, the American legal system and the way we prosecute cops in this country.
	It is wild.
	I mean, it is so wild the amount of witnesses that are being called for this case that are police officers that are testifying against this guy saying, oh no, what he did was totally not by procedure.
	No, what he did was not cool.
	Because you can just feel the prosecutors know the Herculean task they have in front of them, trying to convict a cop for killing someone in America.
	Especially a black person being killed by a cop in America, and they're just like trying to hand hold the jury through this process to being like, it's totally okay to do this.
	You can just watch this video of this guy being murdered by this police officer and then convict the police officer for murder.
	I don't want to be too dour.
	I want to be a little supportive.
	witnesses, they're all going to tell you it's okay. And then the defense is just going to
	get up and be like, meh, hey, cop feared for his life. What are we going to do about it?
	America's Yeah, America's heroes. I don't want to be too dour.
	I want to be a little supportive. So in that spirit, I do hope that if he gets
	acquitted, that the protesters support every building in Minneapolis to the ground.
	I want, I want them to be out in the streets supporting at maximum support.
	I want any police officer that stands in their way to be verily supported.
	Support all of them.
	I want all, all local businesses, federal, I want, like, I want them to support the concrete off of the streets itself with jackhammers.
	I want them to just support every piece of infrastructure they can, I want to remember what used to be Minneapolis before all of the support.
	It's like, man, remember when all those people really lifted up Minneapolis with a ton of support and now it's like a bombed out crater that used to be a town that nobody cared about except for this one time when this cop got acquitted for murder there?
	Uh, cool.
	You basically want the end of Avengers Age of Ultron.
	You just want Minneapolis lifted into the air, then flipped, then thrown back into the planet Earth to trigger an extinction event?
	Nope, I did not say that.
	I want them to be supported.
	If anything, I want them to be lifted up in the air like a person at a Jewish wedding.
	We want this to appear nothing like What happened to Rodney King and the ensuing... No, we don't want riots.
	We can't say riots.
	How do I dial this back?
	You're the one who put the R word out there.
	I've been talking about a community supporting the city that has betrayed it.
	In a very Christian fashion of turning the other cheek.
	I want the response to this white-ass cop getting acquitted for, like, murdering on camera over the course of nine minutes, this black dude, to be met with an overwhelming wave of support that cripples... I mean, that lifts up and props up the city of Minneapolis in a way... She wants, in no way, there to be riots.
	No one said riots.
	No, absolutely not.
	I don't want that.
	Even if I wasn't being a talking chick, I wouldn't use the R-word, I would say that I would want a protest.
	But what I really want is support.
	I want support.
	Support your local Minneapolis, folks.
	Yes, we want, much as QAnon is a peaceful research movement, we want the peaceful Minneapolis movement to just wash over the city and state after this trial goes to its seemingly inevitable conclusion.
	Once again, given the way all of these trials work, because America is a race that's successful, and... And I mean, let's be real, even if Ultron did do a thing to Minneapolis, like, who fucking cares?
	Like, I barely know what state it's in, and the only reason I can remember it is because it's alliterative.
	Like, if they were Minneapolis, like Arkansas or whatever, I would not have any fucking idea where that city was, or why it was important, because it's not, anyway.
	Unless you live in Minneapolis, in which case your city is great, please continue to support the podcast.
	Hey Mike, do we have any listener questions from Minneapolis, the city in the sky?
	Is that really what they have the audacity to call themselves?
	No.
	God, no.
	Oh, okay.
	I was like, holy shit.
	I mean, I don't know a fucking thing about the place.
	You could be like, yo, like, it is two miles high.
	Denver, Colorado thinks that they are fucking crazy.
	No, Minneapolis is off the chain.
	They are very high up.
	And I'd be like, cool.
	I have never heard of that before.
	I was going off a year.
	I was ripping off a year bit where they were lifted into the sky by giant rocket engines powered by racism.
	But anyways, we do have listener questions.
	They may or may not be from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
	Our listeners got questions, we got answers.
	It's time for Q and A. So we start off with Sajqueen asking, what the fuck is up with Jim's moobs?
	Just ew.
	How Jim procreated is beyond me.
	Jim is not an Adonis. I'll say that much for him. He is Very much a unfit dude who apparently likes yoga and all
	kinds of other stuff I had a you like Oh God, he does love he loves love pens
	enjoys watches Q loves watches and pens.
	Again, these were things that were known for a long time.
	Q for some reason decided that pens and watches were going to be how he would identify himself and not just a pretty good privacy key or a Bitcoin wallet or anything logical or rational.
	Just, uh, Just, hey, these are the hobbies of Ron and Jim Watkins, and this is how I identify myself.
	Q, parentheses, not the Watkins.
	It's really bizarre how... Q posts a draft that's like, just bought a fancy new cowboy hat.
	Totally different from Ron's, though.
	That would have been the greatest thing in the world.
	I love singing opera in the middle of the night.
	Don't worry about it.
	That was, I mean, that was just...
	There was a period in that thing where Ron just let his hair down and was just totally comfortable around that guy, and that's why he ended up, like, blowing it so spectacularly at the end.
	So yeah, I mean, that was... The opera thing was bizarre.
	I mean, that, the hammer, all of it.
	I mean, we had a real deep dive into the psyche of Ron Watkins, and it wasn't a great place to be.
	It's a weird dude.
	Yeah, it is really, it just kind of just goes to show you because I mean Frederick Brennan admitted that he wrote up 8chan while he was coming off of psychedelics and he was young.
	And it just goes to show you how, like, the world has been warped by people that were either teenagers or really kind of didn't emotionally develop past teenager running, like, weird, skeevy internet sites.
	Like, the amount of weight those people got to throw around is disproportionate and not good.
	Yeah, well, welcome to the internet.
	Although, speaking about his physical prowess, or, you know, his status as a physical specimen, I can't throw shade at the guy.
	I'm very out of shape myself, so... Jim has the body of a heavy reader.
	Yeah, I mean, but his fashion sense, like that is a thing I can mock.
	And boy, howdy, let's just give me credit for having mocked it so that we can continue on.
	But he dresses like a dum-dum and carries himself also like a dum-dum.
	But I don't care about his doughy body.
	So weird.
	Everybody loves Jim's doughy body.
	Yeah.
	L. Ron Howard asks, do you think Ron being out of his queue made anyone wake up from their Trump fever dream?
	Do you think any other documentarian and or media types will dig deeper for more proof that the Watkins are Q?
	Or do you think they will end up in prison for their part of pushing the big lie on 1-6?
	Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
	Nose across the board.
	Well, I do think there'll be a yes in the sense that documentarians are probably going to bug the Watkinses to admit they were Q, and the Watkinses will not admit that.
	I do think that what Cullen got out of Team Watkins is as good as it's ever going to get with them, and now their hackles are raised, and they will be very guarded about this stuff because they know that The documentary was bad for their Q brand, as it were.
	So, as for the other questions, oh god no.
	They will bury their heads in the sand.
	And the Watkins boys, I don't know that they did anything, like, legally actionable.
	I mean, I think the biggest thing is that Ron could open himself up to a lawsuit from Dominion.
	Trump did way more than either of the Watkins when he said, we're going to march up the street.
	Like, if anyone, Trump did like 10 times as much as those two.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Trump's going to get indicted for that way before the Watkins boys would ever get indicted.
	And again, the only people that really have a legal leg to stand on against them are Dominion.
	Dominion's just throwing billion dollar lawsuits at everybody now.
	They were part of the cease and desist list that Dominion had at one point.
	So they, like Icarus, were flying too close to the sun, but they may have managed to peel off and avoid actually getting into big boy trouble with them.
	Would you go so far as to say that they are C&D-less celebrities?
	Absolutely!
	Oh God, the Avengers in Hellworld proprietary sting needed to be used there if we ever make it, which we shouldn't because we'd use it way too much.
	Uh, Matt asks, uh, I'll actually ask a serious question.
	If Ron is Q since 8chan, how can we explain the obvious cadence shifts once 8kun came online?
	Um, the cadence shifts could have been that Ron was mailing it in, that Jim was kind of like, uh, barking edicts at him for like what kind of stuff he wanted posted.
	Because Q was offline for those 93 days, so I can see it being hard for Ron or Jim or the guy they were paying money to to write the majority of the drops.
	I can see it being hard for that person to quote-unquote find the voice again.
	Because I've said it all the time, 8kunQ is a fucking moron.
	They are so bad, and they step on so many rakes and make themselves look so stupid.
	When they fucked up the California Republican presidential primary thing, There were QAnon promoters like Praying Medic and other guys that were like, whoa Q, uh, uh, you might be, uh, might be a little misguided on this one, buddy.
	I mean, when, when your infallible God is just stepping in dog shit so aggressively that you have to take a step back and be like, um, can we, can we get on the Discord, Ron?
	Can we talk?
	Cause, uh, this is, this is literally your racist grandpa's forwarding Facebook shit.
	That's what the level you're devolving to.
	We need to, I think a lot of it.
	control here, just a skosh, can we just improve a little bit? So
	I, I don't know why the writing like became so crummy the way it
	did. But it was it was it is incredibly noticeable how worse
	eight couldn't queue is over the rest of all of them. It's really
	bad. I think a lot of it. I mean, Ron was obviously one of the nice things about the documentary, you just see how
	stressed out Ron is during, like Brennan's campaign against them
	and like keeping them down for so long. I I think he'd just be chalked up to, like, stress, and he was dealing with other things.
	I mean, or substance abuse.
	I mean, like, there are a bunch of different, like, even if we want to think that it is, like, One single person behind the keys at any given time and not like a collaborative effort between several people at any given point in time.
	There's a bunch of different reasons why somebody might change up their writing style all William Nillian, you know, like stress, substance abuse, or whatever.
	The main reason the Riddler-Penguin shit stood out so much to me at the time when we were discussing that is just the the speed at which it was changing like you know you would have you would have one in one like style and then like at some points it was like nine seconds later an upload of like another paragraph of material that's in a completely different style and it was just like oh the combination of the change in styles and the shortness of this leads me to believe that either somebody has decided to like you know write this stuff down on like a notepad document and then copy paste it extra quick or it's two different people writing so
	Yeah, I wouldn't mind later covering some of the we-just-came-back-eight-coon-drops, just to go over them, because we just didn't get very far before the world lit on fire in the drop.
	were about to jump in the drops anyway, but yeah, and again, like we were almost done with the first 72,
	which is the story that that was all that basically, if we're going by the documentaries timeline, that was like the Paul
	Ferber, Tracy beans, that was the kind of stuff they were doing. And then Ron, yoinked it from them around around the
	mid 200s is when Q goes to a chan. And that's when like Paul
	Ferber's like Q was stolen from me. I mean, Q became fake wink.
	So like that initial Q is not around for very long. And then
	a chain queue starts like aping fortune queue. And then eight
	couldn't queue is just terrible.
	Which is, again, it could be any one of a million different things.
	And I think one of the last things that you could bring up is the fact that, like, in the documentary, both Ron and Jim think the Q is gonna Q and Q and O are gonna die after the
	election.
	Because they're just kind of like, if Trump wins, it's over.
	Trump won, we're done here. And if Trump loses, well, then it was all
	obviously a lie and a fraud.
	Please don't like please don't come looking for us FBI. I think that I think
	that's the number one reason why he killed it is so much shit went down on
	January 6 that Ron Watkins Ronald Watkins realized that, hey, if I keep
	this game running, real big boy people are gonna come looking for me like the
	CIA and the But he had stopped long before January 6th.
	He stopped pretty much as soon as the election was over.
	So just like I'd like, I think he slammed on the brakes more just like with his fucking tail between his legs and defeat like.
	Like, could you imagine if being Q while Trump is president is stressful?
	Could you imagine how stressful it would be to be Q when Biden is president and, like, liberals are in control?
	And everyone that supports you is being deplatformed left and right?
	Yeah, I mean, it just seemed like he was just like, oh, well, if Trump had won the election, I would have kept going, but he didn't.
	So now it would be a lot of work to talk myself like out of why Trump is now just sort of like sitting on
	his orange ass in Mar-a-Lago instead of leading us to the promised day.
	So I'm just going to fucking bail because...
	Yeah, I can't make any more mistakes if I don't talk.
	Like...
	Right.
	Yeah, and that's the thing is that Q never wanted to be held account for his failures.
	And if Q ever starts talking again, then chant trolls are gonna start yelling at him.
	And why deal with that shit?
	I mean, you're gonna get a lot of people that are gonna be worshipful and be very happy that daddy's come home, but...
	And also, do we know how early in advance he got word that the Q documentary was going to air?
	Maybe there's a chance that he just knew that this Q doc was on the horizon and knew that it was going to be pretty fucking obvious after it aired that he was Q. So he was just like, fuck it, I'll just end it after your election.
	And by the time news that I was Q breaks, either it will be irrelevant or it will be easier for me to deny because I won't be doing it still.
	Yeah.
	I think there's a little bit of all these things in this.
	Not just to like spread it around, but I think there's a lot of it.
	He saw the writing on the wall.
	Nah, yeah.
	So thank you for the question.
	Jacko asks, what is the devil's advocate argument for why Q, if he was really a government insider, would tether himself to these two eccentric guys as his platform and anoint Ron as the only person on the planet who could validate the Q account?
	They came off as strange choices.
	There is no devil's advocate argument for this.
	It is absolute lunacy.
	Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty strong fucking question to ask there, bud, that I'm sure QAnon has no good answer for.
	I mean, like, they just sort of like, like, whatever answer they give doesn't seem more or less likely than, yo, Ron was Q all along and that dude does not have Q level clearance and he just thought it was a cool sounding thing that he heard in a movie or like a Call of Duty game or something at one point.
	Yeah, I feel like we've already answered that question.
	We've indulged that quite a bit just a little bit ago and over the last couple episodes.
	Someone brought this up to my attention.
	Sometime around the origin of Q, there was an episode of Archer where Q level clearance was a big plot point.
	So Archer might have been where they got it from.
	There we go.
	I mean, like, Ron Woggins does strike me as the sort of dude who would think Archer is hilarious.
	Yeah.
	I mean, early Archer was real good.
	I mean, but yeah, but when early Archer was coming out, we were also 10 years younger and thinking, like, watching it and being like, ah, yes, this is great.
	I have not revisited Archer.
	I am sure that it does not hold up as well as I would like.
	Thank you for the question, Jacko.
	DeportGamers asks, are you going to do any episodes on the non-canonical text regarding Q, i.e.
	Invitation to the Great Awakening, Fall of the Cabal, etc.?
	I mean, that's possible.
	I mean, there's a ton of QAnon content out there that was not written by Q that is basically part of the mythos, as it were.
	I mean, but Fall of the Cabal is three hours of absolute bullshit.
	I wrote a 468 tweet thread about all the lies in that thing, and I probably missed a bunch too.
	I mean, Hey, if we ever get big enough on Patreon to start being able to support, like, producing bonus content, I feel like episodes about Q Apocrypha seems like a good thing for that.
	Yeah, I'm in, but I would have to be paid to do Q Apocrypha.
	It was hard just to get through the documentary.
	Yeah.
	When we have the ability to fly to Italy for no good reason to not interview Steve Bannon, that'd be great.
	It was very funny.
	I saw something from Cullen where he was like, Oh no, I was just maxing out credit cards and just on a shoestring budget.
	And I'm just in the back of my head.
	I'm like, well, maybe don't fly to Italy and you don't have to melt that credit card.
	I don't know.
	Guess?
	Question?
	And, um, We have an idea for an activity from Jackie Daytona that says, more of a game, I think it'd be fun to do a March Madness bracket of Q promoters and influencers.
	I don't know what the brackets would be, like grifters, true believers, personalities.
	And how do you determine who moves forward?
	What the fuck is the bracket for?
	Are we talking about the best one, the worst one?
	East v. West.
	Yeah, we'd have to just post it, and we would absolutely have to be the worst QAnon promoter out there and the most terrible person, and we would have to put polls up on either the Hellworld Twitter feed or my Twitter feed, and just have people vote people through.
	I have a feeling at this point that Ron Watkins probably wins this thing.
	You think fucking Q himself is probably the worst Q promoter?
	I know, so weird.
	We're the best.
	Again, we don't know how we're judging this dance.
	Yeah, but I feel like the finals are Ron versus Jim, and that would be very interesting to try to uncover.
	I mean, yeah, we'd have to do custom rules.
	I'm not sure if we could have Ron involved anymore, otherwise the bracket is just like, Most like an apple in the one seed, apple in the two seed, orange, like, etc.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, what the fuck are we, like, oh shit.
	It's just like, you know, the pundits on fucking SportsCenter would be like, you don't call me crazy, but even after all the hype, I think Apple has got it.
	I mean, do we just seed him straight to the final four?
	Like, is he just there?
	Well, maybe we could call Ron last year's champion, and once you become the champion, you get retired.
	No, we do it Mortal Kombat style.
	He's Shao Kahn.
	He just sits in the back with his Wagyu hat on, and his sex doll.
	We just retire his jersey, but instead of a number, it just says Q on it, and we know.
	It just says Ron Watkins, and then the number is Q, and it's retired, and nobody else can have that jersey.
	That's the template for the bracket.
	We have the actual brackets and the back lay is just Ron as Shao Kahn on a throne with the sex robot doll and his dumb hat and all that stuff.
	And his retired jersey.
	Oh, he could have a sexy Smurf head in there too.
	Do we know anybody with artistic skills?
	Anyway, that would certainly be fun, but it also seems like it might be a lot of work, so I'll let Mike handle that.
	Fuck it.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Finally, we have 360secure asks, I found one pretty rare self-critical thread in one of the more popular Telegram channels of some admission that followers are dropping off more now.
	Do we see any other indication of this?
	Ah, the main thing I see, because there's all kinds of talk, and even in the documentary they were just kind of like, they attempted to do a platform queue, but it backfired, it became stronger than ever, which I think is a citation that needs evidence.
	The one thing I will say is that- Yeah, that sounds fucking crazy.
	They took Q off of the second or third most popular social media platform of ever, and it only got stronger.
	And it's like, what?
	No, it didn't.
	Post needs citation.
	It got noticeably weaker because now they're fucking stuck to Gab and Telegram.
	And they're just like, yeah, that's right, baby.
	We have 300,000 users.
	How do you like us now?
	And Twitter's just like, yeah, man, we have 300 million users.
	Go fuck yourself.
	Yeah.
	The one thing I will say about QAnon is that even the major promoters are kind of admitting that shit sucks nowadays and that QAnon is not here for shit sucking because the whole Illuminati thing was such a niche and only people that wanted to blackmail themselves and get upset and sad at the world Really got it.
	Black pill means like the hard truth, the stuff that's like absolutely the negative bleakness.
	Like to an incel, a black pill is you'll never get laid.
	Like there's no amount of work you can do on your physical appearance or your personality.
	No woman will ever have sex with you and you need to accept it.
	So the Black Pill is just, like, the ultimate harsh truth that pretty much just, like, kind of breaks you.
	It's like nihilism in a way.
	But, uh... So shitty.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, I've been seeing, like, a lot of people, like, talking about how, like, two, like, one, PepeLivesMatter, who I love making fun of and dunking on constantly, He's like, 2021's been like really good for like shills and mean people and black pillars to like come out here and try to ruin our fun.
	But I keep pushing back on him, bro.
	And what he means when he says that is 2021 isn't conforming to our reality.
	Joe Biden is the president and will remain the president for the foreseeable future.
	And if something ever happened to him, then Kamala Harris will be the president.
	And while we might get like a little dopamine high for a couple months being like, Hey, we told you Kamala was going to be president.
	I've got you.
	Then she'll be president until 2024 at the minimum.
	And you're not going to be happy with that.
	And, uh, like 4 million people got vaccinated in a single day, a couple of days ago.
	I just posted on my Twitter that I just got scheduled for my first vaccination shot at the end of this month.
	So like all of these things that are categorically like win conditions for the cabal are real and they're not going to change.
	So if you're a QAnon believer, you just have to start denying reality harder and more aggressively because Even when Hillary wasn't getting arrested, even when Obama wasn't being sent to Gitmo, you could at the very least see Donald Trump on television every single fucking day and just have your little QAnon heart swell with joy that the God Emperor was being beamed into your
	You get nothing!
	via television. And now you don't get that. Now you have nothing. Now you just have sleepy
	Joe showing up every now and then reminding you to mask up and get the vaccine when it's
	available.
	You get nothing. Good day, sir.
	Right, exactly. You've lost. You stole fizzy lifting drinks.
	I mean, that's just it. You're fucked. And that's not what QAnon was here for.
	QAnon was here for the fun and the winning and the lib owning.
	And right now, libs ain't getting owned.
	Life just sucks.
	So I do think that reality hurts their movement a lot because There's only just so much excitement you can get over a ship getting stuck in the Suez Canal, being full of trafficked children, and we're going to have it revealed to us any day now.
	I mean, it's just, you just can't chase that dragon for this long because... Oh, you sure can, buddy.
	Where's Huma?
	Yeah.
	Oh, God, yes, Huma.
	But I'm just saying, like, the... What about the laptop?
	What about the innumerate laptops?
	What about the only laptop that ever mattered?
	Just kidding.
	There were several incriminating laptops that have vanished.
	What about all Hunter Biden's crimes?
	I'm now imagining some QAnon promoter being Steppenwolf, grabbing all the laptops to try to merge them into the unity that triggers the Great Awakening.
	Where's the Biden laptop?
	Sentence upon you!
	Yes, exactly.
	Exactly.
	I'm glad we could have you on so you could make timely references like this.
	That's me.
	I'm all about timely Snyder Cut references.
	But I mean, it's just, it's just, that's just what this is right now.
	It's just this bleak world.
	And for like the internet trolls and the Illuminati people, this has been their lives this whole time.
	But For the boomers who got into it because they were MAGA and they love Trump and all this stuff, they ain't getting anything out of this now.
	I mean, this just sucks for them.
	They were promised that Hillary Clinton was going to be in an orange jumpsuit, being sentenced for her innumerate crimes.
	And no, they don't get that.
	They don't get anything.
	And it's just, it's just terrible.
	So I do think that- I have found it.
	The world has resisted.
	Like, pushing laptops into, like, an obelisk.
	Right, exactly!
	Having Jim Watkins appear.
	The server from Germany.
	I'm just thinking of, like, this event happening, and, like, the Steppenwolf character's talking to Jim Watkins, and then finally he gives up, and then Ron Watkins appears in the message.
	In his cowboy hat.
	It's gotta have a hat.
	He's gotta have the hat.
	Oh, he's gotta have the hat, yeah.
	Ron's just like, you made me walk away from my sex doll for this.
	What is going on?
	Oh, God.
	Anyway.
	All right, time for me to grab the reins on this motherfucker and see what's going on.
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