Art Bell’s open-line episode dives into KIC 8462852’s "megastructure" mystery, where callers debate its plausibility—some linking it to alien tech like a "universal constructor," others dismissing it as misinterpreted data. Fred Dunham’s Area 51 compensation win and ISIS-related plane crashes fuel conspiracy theories, while past-life stories dominate, from a Washington man’s near-death "return" to reunite with his mother to Jackie’s verified dreams of Stonewall, Mississippi. Bell defends fringe ideas like chemtrail erasure via mirrors and counters physics skepticism by comparing humanity’s 1900-era ignorance to today’s iPhone 6, leaving open the door for civilizations operating beyond known laws. The show ends abruptly, but Bell insists exploration must continue despite skepticism, wrapping up from the "high desert" across all 25 time zones. [Automatically generated summary]
Now, on Friday nights, we also try to include the two drink minimum.
No, wait.
Two drink maximum.
You know, I watch the sites and people, I think, intentionally get that rule backwards anyway, right?
Convinced of it.
So I can make the rule, but, you know, I just, I don't think it's going to get followed.
At least that's my experience in previous weeks.
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There are a couple of items before we open the lines to heaven knows what.
Today, as you know, we've been following Star KIC 8462852, and guess what, folks?
Greenback Scientist, the scientists monitoring in West Virginia have found intelligence.
So there you have it.
Okay, let's now look at some back-to-earth stuff.
First of all, this is of no earthly interest probably to anybody, but the other night during an interview, I swear to you all, a little mouse came up not more than 18 inches from me and stared at me right in the eye, and I looked at it.
We sat there and looked at each other for a little while, and I was so blown away, I didn't know what to do.
I started to reach for my iPhone 6 to get a picture, and this mouse I've named Abby Normal was gone.
So last night, I took the napkin that had the bread and a copious amount of peanut butter on it, and I laid it on the floor.
Now, I left the studio empty with this on the floor.
I mean, even I could smell the peanut butter, right?
I came back tonight, fully expecting to see it shredded around on the floor, and it hadn't been touched.
This mouse came somehow from outside to see me, probably never saw a human in its little life, and left again because there is no way, no way that could have been on the floor untouched all night long.
So that makes it just a little weirder, if you ask me.
I hope, frankly, that Abbey Normal comes back one of these days for some reason.
All right, let's actually look at the real news now.
President Obama has said no to the Keystone XL pipeline, declaring it would undercut U.S. efforts to clinch a global climate change deal at the center of his environmental legacy.
His legacy, huh?
So, no pipeline.
I don't know how I feel about that.
On the one hand, you know, we probably should build it, I think.
I think the president's wrong.
In an very abrupt turnaround, after, well, a brief secret, ultra-secret consultation with the U.S. and London, England, Russia on Friday suspended all passenger flights to Egypt.
After days of resistance, apparently what we told them convinced them.
They looked at the black boxes in the plane, and they found absolutely nothing but what they say is the sound of an explosion.
So, and plus ISIS cut a new video, again, claiming responsibility for it all.
Is Russia going to begin to bomb ISIS as well as the rebels trying to overthrow Assad?
I don't know.
We'll have to wait and see.
Knowing the Russians, though, well, let's put it this way.
In my opinion, frequently when we hit back at somebody, we do it by slapping their wrist.
The Russians have a different mentality about hitting back.
So if you suddenly see, you know, some significant geography in the Sinai missing soon, you'll know they reacted.
This is kind of an interesting story.
Fred Dunham, a former employee of EG ⁇ G Special Projects, who worked as a security guard at Area 51, just over the hill from me here, has been successful in claiming compensation for serious health issues which have affected him as a result of his time there.
His case has now been taken up by Donna Hand, a workers advocate of Tampa, who contests the Department of Energy's stance that EGNG is not listed as contractors approved for the compensation program.
Hand, of course, disputes that and has documents to support it.
So we'll have to see what happens there.
In political news, Trump is up a little, Carson down a little, trying to answer questions about his past, and that's kind of it.
There's some people who got booted out of the next debate.
Well, booted out is an unfair, violent-sounding term.
They weren't booted out.
They were just demoted.
And even Christie didn't like that word, demoted.
He said transferred.
So it's like when they come to you in school and say, listen, I know you're in the fifth grade, but we're transferring you to the fourth.
All right, open lines.
Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
I am going to open up a special line, sort of in dedication to the quality of last night's show.
My God, it was a good show.
We talked about past lives.
And it really, really, really was interesting.
God, what a show.
If you're not a time traveler, oh, you should be.
You have access to all our past shows.
You can listen to them on your iPhone or your Android device or whatever.
You know, we've got an RSS feed, and these are good shows.
Last night was just over-the-top good.
We talked about past lives.
And so that prompts me tonight to open one line at least for people who think they know what their past life was.
Now, you know, another reason I'm doing it is because he told this story last night about skiing.
Remember, putting on the skis and going rocketing down the slope, and he knew what he was doing.
And he had learned that in a past life, right?
For me, I think that I was Asian.
I really, really do think that, folks, I was Asian.
I like Asian culture.
I love Asian food.
I eat Asian rice virtually every night.
I spent a lot of time in Asia.
My daughter is named Asia.
I could go on.
Asian women, of course.
So all the way around, I think that in a past life, I probably was Asian.
I've told my wife that a million times.
She's Catholic.
I don't know how she is on prior lives.
We'll have to talk about that.
Anyway, if you think you know what you were in a previous life, the number for you is Area Code, are you ready?
575-208-7787.
Once again, area code 575-208-7787.
I will also open the first-time caller line.
If you have never called this show, it's area code 775-285-5800.
I'll try and repeat this.
I know I forget.
775-285-5800.
I guess I need to have Ross cut some more with these new numbers.
And by the way, when I pick up your line, if you are listening to a radio station, please give their call letters.
Time travelers get all kinds of, I don't know, advantages, frankly.
You can download any show, RSS, play it anytime you want.
You can use the wormhole, which I've got right next to me, and read from all the time.
Somebody wants me to have a section of the show called Wormhole Corner.
I don't know, that's kind of corny, where I just sit and read wormhole messages.
But maybe I'll have to come up with a, I mean, wormhole corner.
I'm not going to call it that.
Sounds like out of the 1950s or 40s or something.
If you want to become a time traveler, you go to artbell.com, my website, artbell.com, and it'll be right there in the eye.
Join the time travelers, and you get a lot of stuff for it.
Including my gratitude.
So there was that, and then the talk.
I get so many requests for this.
I mean, it's just unbelievable.
People just writing me emails, phone calls.
It never ends.
Even a few texts from people I know wanting to talk.
Okay, here's the talk.
You can sound better.
Better than the people on the phone.
They sound pretty good because we've got a superb phone system, actually, here.
And by the way, that's really true.
We do.
But you can sound better on Skype.
More authoritative, more clear, you know, the whole ball of wax.
And it's so easy to do.
If you've got a portable device of some sort, even, frankly, your computer, it doesn't matter.
The world has changed.
I know you've got one of them.
So download Skype.
It's free.
Skype is free.
All the way around.
Free.
Always free.
Of course, Microsoft might change that, but for now it's free.
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There's a little plus sign for it there.
Put in MITD51 for North America.
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And even if you don't call right away, it's all right.
You'll have it in there in your contacts after you've done that, and you can go back to it and just go and call us for free from anywhere, virtually anywhere in the world.
I actually had a question, and I don't know if it's something that you would be willing to answer, but I was wondering if you think that past lives influence your future or present life, and if there's signs, like, how can you tell if it does?
This is Dan from Rochester, and I'm a very, very excited new caller to the show.
I just started on September 18th and have listened to several of your past interviews, and I think you're just an incredible person for turning everybody on.
The problem would be, how would you know when you found you?
I mean, even if you went back to, say, 180, 1700, whatever, how would you know?
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You would have to search for yourself, I would imagine, or possibly use.
Well, if you had some genealogy traced back to, say, the 1700s, where you knew, in my family's case, I had a governor in a town of Lyme Regis, England.
Even if you got back in time and you met up with the person you're talking about right now and you presented them with genetic evidence that you were the same, do you know what they would do with you in 1700?
Of course, that's probably the only time you've heard that.
I don't know if this counts really as a past life, but I had a dream once, and if you have one of those dreams where you smell the smells, you feel the textures.
It's almost like you've stepped into on a stage.
It was so realistic.
I felt like I was actually there.
It wasn't so much a dream state, but like I was realistic.
Was this dream, did the dream involve you?
Yeah, it was from my point of view.
It wasn't like I was looking at a character.
It was like I was standing flat-footed on this in a Grecian, you know, Mediterranean type stonework pier.
Anyhow, I only get you for an hour on this, and then I switch over to your antithesis, and that's George Norrie, who actually bashed you last night about the whole infrastructure thing.
And in order to harness such material, they would most likely need to be gathering minerals from at least all over their solar system, at the least, correct?
Universal Constructor is not from Star Trek, nor is it from Star Wars, unfortunately.
It's actually a concept that goes back several decades in science.
Sort of the philosopher's stone of science, if you will, being able to put materials into this machine, and then it rewrites the code at the subatomic level, moves the particles around and changes it into the particle of what you need.
For instance, lead to gold or silicon to petroleum.
I was just wondering if you've had any guests or any scientists or anything of the sort that might have brought it up, because I do believe it's a fascinating topic, and it might be the only way that we as mankind manage to reach out past the solar system, because we're having a rough time managing our own resources as it is.
Well, mine last year, it got in my, one of them got in my van outside, and it started, it started, the engine light came on, and I called my mechanic, and he went into it.
He's a really good mechanic.
And $1,200 later, he told me he immediately came up with photos and everything of what they had done.
And we got the parts and everything, put everything together.
But he said, there's so much wiring that they've shown through.
And he showed me all these photos he'd taken in there.
I was donating at the wildlife shelter over here, and they have a lot of, they hate to kill animals, and they had a lot of rodents coming in at night and even eating some of the birds that were in the cages that they were trying to rehab.
That was tragic.
So what they did, they were trying everything to try to trap, you know, put them in rat traps.
And they couldn't bait.
They tried peanut butter, everything.
And they finally used Cheetos and the things, you'd even hear them snapping during the day.
I am convinced that my mouse, Abby Normal, is not in the house.
There is no way that a mouse could not smell peanut butter probably five rooms away.
So that little guy, little gal, I do believe, came to me, wanted to see me, wanted to see a human, saw me, and left.
That's the only explanation.
Right?
Because how could she not have eaten the peanut butter overnight?
Simple as that.
Let's go to our first time caller line.
How about there?
Hello, you're on there.
unidentified
Going on.
Yes, this is Jonathan.
I really enjoyed a very interesting interview with the gentleman that does the past life progressions yesterday.
Very fascinating.
I want to suggest two alternate possibilities of how to interpret what people are experiencing there.
First of all, if there are beings, whether good or malevolent, who are as much bigger than us as we are than bacteria, they could, if they wanted to give us the impression that we are experiencing a past life regression, they could mess with our minds just like we do with experimenting with bacteria and small creatures of that sort.
So if they had an agenda that involved confusing us about the afterlife, that is a possibility that I don't see how we could rule out.
But the second one that occurred to me was that when you have a love relationship, when you really empathize with someone, whether it's...
Yeah, if you empathize with someone, whether it's the empathy of friendship or romantic love, especially when you're a child, sometimes the distinctions between your ego, who you are, and who they are, can be dissolved, especially if the love is really strong.
You really identify with that person.
So why couldn't it be possible that, you know, whether psychically or through remote feeling that people are doing, that if people are empathizing with a person in the past, or like you said, there were some people who were parallel who were living at the same time as them that you're deeply empathizing with, but it doesn't necessarily follow from that that you are that person.
I spent a lot of time in the Navy when I was quite young, and I was on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier.
I used to work there.
And when we didn't have flight outs, I would go up and go to sleep in these nets that hung over the side that would catch you if you happened to fall off or get blown off.
And I used to go there when there was no flight outs, of course, and jump into them and go to sleep.
And it would be, you know, in the middle of the ocean, and it was unbelievable.
The sleep was very, very heavy.
And I would have some truly amazing dreams.
And I used to dream over and over again about being up in a building on the second floor, in the balcony, painting a portrait of a woman.
And obviously it was, you know, at one of the old country towns, small village.
And it would wake me up.
It was so strong.
And what would happen would I be looking out onto the town square?
Obviously the building was right on town square.
And there was a fountain in the middle.
And a light would start.
It would start small, and it would get real, real bright until it blinded me.
And I was painting at the time a portrait of a woman.
Okay, we have limited time here, so let's rush to the conclusion.
And then I will rush to the conclusion if we can.
unidentified
Okay, I'm sorry.
And what happened there is I actually made it, you know, of course, went to a lot of ports overseas, and I happened to come across a little village in Spain.
And in that village, as I was walking through it with one of my shipmates, we seen a fountain in the middle of the square, and I recognized it.
And that was it.
That was the fountain.
There was the building.
And I knew that I was there at one time.
Well, the way it affected me the rest of my life is I realized at that point in time, I still had a few more years left in the Navy.
I realized at a point in time that my artistic talents that I had when I was younger, I needed to develop.
And I did.
And I spent my life doing artwork, actually military artwork.
And it just was amazing.
Now, what actually happened is after we did see the light go, after I'm sorry, after I did see the fountain where a light went off, I went into the backyard of the building and there was another fountain back there made out of a seashell.
And I seen that in my dream originally.
I wanted to cut the dream a little short for time.
Okay, so that was like the second piece of proof you needed to decide you had indeed been there at a prior time.
Yeah, okay, I get it.
I'm not sure how I would handle that either.
If you saw something absolutely that you had dreamt about or that was from a prior life, never had been to that location, geographic location before, ever, ever, ever, and yet there it was.
So do you think this proves reincarnation?
It's an interesting question.
I've got a lot of people who have put messages speaking of Roger, for example, past lives, bunk.
Hebrews 9, 2, 7, it's appointed unto men once to die.
But after this, excuse me, after this, the judgment.
And that would be the view of many, many people.
It offends their religious sensibilities, right?
So think about that a little bit.
If reincarnation were real, well, it can't be, right?
I've talked to you over the years, probably this is probably about my fifth time since 1999, and that's what brings me to my call tonight.
My first time listening to you was when you interviewed Chris Carter back in late 99, and I've heard you mention it several times about the Exiles coming back.
That's one of my favorite shows, and I know that you were involved with the sister show Millennium.
I was just calling to ask you if have you thought about having Chris Carter back on the show?
Or on the new show for the first time, I should say.
My dad from Canada brought my mom over from England.
She was a war bride.
Right.
Back in 2006, my dad was in his 80s and he was suffering with severe dementia.
It was really, really bad.
And every once in a while, he'd have some lucid moments.
It was really tough to communicate with him.
But every once in a while for about five, ten minutes, he'd kind of come back and he'd know who he was and where he was and who you were.
Sure.
And during one of his lucid moments, he told me that, David, I've been unplugged.
And they've called me back to the mothership.
And I thought, oh, my goodness, what's going on with my dad?
But anyways, jump back to the 40s when my mom and dad were married, bringing my mom over from England from World War II.
My dad made my mom, or my, pardon me, my dad made my mom's dad a promise that he would never, never, ever, ever leave her no matter what.
He says, you're taking my daughter away all the way overseas, and you know he'd only see your daughter maybe once or twice again in his life, so please don't ever, ever leave her.
So my dad swore he would never leave him.
And you know what?
They had a real rocky marriage.
They had one of the rockiest marriages you could ever have, but he never did go.
Anyways, you go forward to 2007, this is when they were both in a nursing home, and my dad was slumped over and getting fed by the nurses in the nursing home.
And all of a sudden, he stopped breathing, and he went blue, and the carriage called the nurse over, and turned out that they took his heartbeat and his pulse and his heart had stopped beating.
So they wheeled him back to his room, and he sat in his chair, I'm thinking, for a few minutes, maybe five minutes, and then the head nurse came over, checked his vitals, and still it was exactly the same way.
They put him back up on the bed, and sure as hell, sure as hell, he came to all of a sudden.
I was wondering concerning reincarnation, and what about do-overs, suicide, if things aren't going well in your life, having personal problems or illness or whatever?
If you believed in reincarnation, why wouldn't you just do a do-over and end it?
I was just wondering if that had been brought up by anybody, you know, because if you actually believed in reincarnation, I think that'd be a very viable option if things weren't going well.
It's such a gift for so many people here back on the art.
Thank you so much.
Sure.
And I'd just like to say, back in 2000, in December of 2000, I was putting up some Christmas lights at my home, and I got a pretty good electrical shock.
And within a day, I don't know how this happened.
Within a day, I was learning how to erase chemtrails with mirrors and an infrared light.
This came to me on two six-foot-tall mirrors that were four feet wide.
And I kind of marked, I'd mark the sun, and then I'd angle the light from the sun at the tail of the chemtrail, which erased it like if you're erasing something with a pencil eraser.
Might I ask, please, how are you sure that you're on the chemtrail, that you've got the mirrors positioned properly so that your beam is hitting the chemtrail?
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All I can say is there was a gift given to me, it was like working art or something, it was like making art.
Okay.
Artwork like I was doing.
And I also used at night, I used an infrared light, which I'm really surprised I didn't control for.
I never pointed it directly at any planes or anything like that.
And I would highly suggest no one doing this.
It was mainly during the daytime.
And it was on the coast of California.
There was an intense, intense sun in the December of 2000.
And among other things, I did that.
And I learned about remote neural monitoring and the microwave auditory effect.
And I'd just like to point out to your guests, anybody, anybody ever, like you're listening to the radio and then you just so happen to hear maybe what you're thinking about on the radio or something or you're thinking, you know, kind of, I necessarily do not believe in coincidences anymore.
And I'd just like to, that's the main reason why I called was people should check out remote neural monitoring and the microwave auditory effect.
And I learned so many things.
And, you know, my neighbors probably thought I was nuts.
Yeah, well, actually, we had pet rats, but the one that bit her was actually one that we were holding over Christmas break that belonged to my sister's school.
They were doing experiments, and they got a pair, and the female, they got a male and female to get babies, so we had the mom after she had the litter.
And of course, you'd have to go in there to refill food and stuff, and she's very protective of the babies, and she actually bit all of us, but it was only my mom who got sick.
Well, to be fair, sir, the question that I asked these people was, if E.T. came down and we got in communication with this creature and this intelligent being from another world knew absolutely nothing at all about God or even the concept of religion, how would that affect you?
And the religious people that I did ask that said it would destroy their faith.
I wish I could have called in last night because I wanted to know if he believed a possible interpretation for past life regression is maybe these individuals aren't remembering past lives that they lived, but maybe they're remembering being guardian angels to those individuals.
It's a very powerful station and very good quality, by the way.
Even a short wave considering the fading and all, it still does a great job.
The really interesting thing about these megastructures is that to build a megastructure with regular material would, you know, the kind of material we're used to, not dark matter, but regular matter, would be very, very much intensive and tons and tons of material.
It would be almost impossible to collect that much.
But if you were to combine just a slight trace of regular normal matter in the form of metamaterial with dark matter and dark energy, you would make the perfect Dyson sphere because it would have virtually no mass.
It'd be weightless.
And then even with a massive conventional disruption, it would be huge.
But it would still be able to drift and accidentally collide with Tammy's star if there wasn't some control system to keep the star centered in the middle of the sphere.
And he was the band leader, or he played in the band.
I wasn't quite sure.
He seemed to be kind of like my boss, but not exactly.
And I knew that we were intimately involved as more than just friends.
And he was married and not to me.
And as we walked toward the hotel, it was, you know, the doorman that opens the door and it was a nice, it's a hotel, like in the movies, and he said hello, good evening, and we walked in.
Sounded like he'd seen you many, many times before.
unidentified
Correct.
And we were, there was a respect in his greeting.
Okay.
And I knew that we were on the Big Band circuit, whatever that was.
I knew that we were in Chicago.
We had been in, we started out in Florida.
We went to, where was it in the South?
Not New Orleans, somewhere in there, and then it came up to Kansas City, Chicago, and we were heading to L.A. At the time, I had a friend who was kind of an older, well she was an older lady, and her husband had been a band leader for MGM Grand.
Yeah.
And so she was familiar with those kind of things.
She'd gone to parties with Ricky and Desi, or Desi and rather Desi and Lucille Ball and all that, and then that crowd.
So I called her up and I asked her, I said, Polly, is there really a big band circuit?
It never occurred to me that Google is an amazing resource.
In other words, if in a dream or in whatever state you get an indication of another life with some factoid that you can check out, Google would be invaluable.
So in this new day and age of Google, it may well be that we will, if we begin doing it, actually nail down this whole past life business and be able to prove it.
There is nothing like Google.
It virtually knows everything.
Well, not everything, but close, right?
So if you get a detail now, there's a great way to check it out.
When I was a kid in San Jose in 1958, I was 13 years old.
In those days, San Jose was pretty much prune orchards.
And we used to play in this old barn.
And on the wall of this old barn was a tombstone epitaph newspaper stuck on the wall of the gunfight at the Old Cape Corral with Wyatt Earp, which I thought was pretty unusual.
You know, why wouldn't it be a local paper?
But it was a tombstone epitaph.
So I took it down, and in those days I used to hang out at a gun shop in San Jose, a fellow by the name of Dutra.
He was a real good gunsmith.
And I showed it to a man that was in there, and he said, can I borrow it?
And I said, sure.
Of course, I never got it back, right?
I'm 13 years old.
I was gullible.
I gave it to this guy.
And I never got the paper back.
Okay, so here about six months ago, my wife and I are both into old Western guns from Italy, Uberti, and we go out in the desert.
We dress up like cowboys once a month and go out.
So anyhow, I got back into studying about White Earth.
Like you say, Google.
And the other night, I don't know if this was a dream or what, but I got woke up and White Earth was standing by my bed.
You're kind of breaking up on this a little bit here.
unidentified
Is this better?
Well, it's okay as long as it's okay.
Okay.
That's all I can say.
Anyway, I did some research on the internet and I found out that this person I was having the flashbacks of was actually had existed and had died two years prior to when I was born.
Back in the 90s, they had this thing on Discovery Channel, I think it was, that they were talking about going into those little tiny tunnels in the pyramids with little robots.
Yes.
And they didn't know what it was for.
Well, okay, I am pretty good at doing OBEs.
I can get them awake.
Not all the time, but if I get good.
It's like your guest said last night that you can't be the driver and look at the scenery at the same time.
That's right.
So, yeah, so sometimes I have trouble.
But that day, I had no problem.
I OBE'd myself into that hole and down in there, and I went to the door and went into the one door, opened it up, went into the other door, opened it up.
You're going to laugh.
I opened it up, and inside of it was a whole bunch of people.
Now, these were people from older ages.
There was an old lady cooking, a heavyset old lady cooking.
There was an old man sitting on the table, a guy that had one leg.
Well, this particular show had a guest, Richard House, M.D., and he had talked about many things.
I guess he had a book out called Between Now and When, How My Death Made My Life Worth Living.
And he had touched on reincarnation.
And what you've discussed tonight with some people made me think of this particular interview.
And I think that, and you can tell me what you think, or maybe other people will call in, about the purpose of reincarnation or past lives.
And what drew me into this particular man's story was that I guess when we are, if we do come back as different people in different circumstances, whether it's returning as someone who is extremely poor or returning as someone who's extremely rich,
makes they think that we're supposed to grow or learn from each experience to become more, I don't know, more enlightened or more aware or closer somehow to ensure that kind of the story that always has gone along with reincarnation, that you are constantly improving yourself in each incarnation you're a little better, striving eventually to get to perfection and then move on.
unidentified
Yeah, and yeah, and I think there's some truth to that, don't you?
Well, just maybe it's kind of these shows kind of open my mind a little more.
I just recently became a Roman Catholic earlier this year.
I'm an adult, obviously, but was baptized as an adult.
And I'm still learning about the faith to a large degree.
There's so much to learn, but this is something that I never really considered because this gentleman seemed to be so insightful.
He had quite the career before he decided to write this book as a doctor.
And some of the things he was saying just really made me stop and think about how, for example, ignorance leads to knowledge or suffering leads to bliss.
Ignorance leads to knowledge and suffering leads to bliss.
You're referring to another incarnation.
unidentified
Right.
I mean, if I was to return to a, maybe if I go into another past life where there's extreme poverty or something like that, right, which I'm not obviously going through right now, but maybe if I had to, if I do reincarnate in that type of circumstance, I guess that would be a big learning experience as well, I guess.
The evil Roland almost cut me off because he thought something was going wrong with the transmission.
unidentified
Him and I were on the same page there.
But I remember when I actually first heard you many, many years ago, many years ago to me anyway, five years ago, I used to listen to you on internet radio.
I don't remember exactly what the channel was called, but it was your old recorded shows.
And they always left out the date on them.
I was trying to call your old minds because I was so captivated by the show.
And of course, I never figured that out because they always left the dates out.
They cut that part out.
But then I learned that you were actually coming back, and I'm so thrilled to hear you again.
And I think that this incarnation of the show, since we're talking about incarnations and so forth, is the best ever.
It's clearly, to me, the best ever.
unidentified
Oh, certainly.
And it was actually your show that really, really got me into thinking.
I'm not a religious person.
I was born to a family that had very heavy religion on both sides, both their mothers and their fathers, very devout.
And for some reason, they just dropped that.
They didn't carry on with that.
So the whole matter of the afterlife never really, it was never really something I thought about until I started listening to your show.
And the more I think about it, I always try to take a very, I guess, moderate approach, you know, so that if you decided one day just to speak to somebody about it, they wouldn't sort of, you know, blink their eyes and walk away.
Well, you know, I think that we're upsetting a lot of people.
Really, I do, based on the messages I'm getting because, you know, you can go to a part of the Bible where it says a man shall only live once and then be judged.
That's it, you know.
So if you talk about reincarnation, they get upset.
unidentified
You can't avoid it, but my take on it is very peculiar.
And it's much based off the question, you know, when a tree falls in the forest and there's nobody around, does it really make a sound?
And in my mind, though, I wonder, when we observe death from an outside perspective, when we're not the one experiencing it, it is to us instantaneous.
Now you're kind of getting out there where I'm not so sure.
unidentified
And in her future life, she had been the assistant to somebody, or she was going to be the assistant to a guy that invented the time machine.
And he would take her back to, like, he had a project with the time machine where he would take her back in time to this place where they, which was the pyramids.
Looking at the wormhole screen, everybody's saying, Art, where are your cats?
Why didn't they get the mouse?
Okay, so here's the deal, folks.
I built my radio studio in our guest house.
We own A house adjacent to the main house, another whole house, that's right.
And I bought this house originally so I could put up my antenna.
Pretty weak reason to buy a house, huh?
It's actually the truth.
I bought the house just so I could extend my antenna.
So we thought, well, we'll use it as a guest house.
And rarely have we ever had that opportunity.
A few times, Bob and Sucrane and a few others, but basically it stands idle.
So when it came time to do the radio show again, I thought, well, I certainly can't do it from the main house because my studio or radio room, which is now my amateur radio room, is adjacent to my daughter's room, who is, you know, just eight years old.
So I would obviously wake her up, and that led to the decision to build the studio here in the guest house.
So I hope that straightens it out.
I really do.
And let me go ahead and grab this overseas call and go back to the lady that was on the phone.
You're back on the air, ma'am.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
I was telling you, this is kind of how it started for me.
I had a dream when I was about 18, and it was so intense.
And when I woke up, I felt as if I had just been on fire.
So I woke up, and I was in a sweat, and I was panicked, you know, how you would be if you were actually burning.
And then it just stuck with me.
And then about seven years later, something like that, I had the same dream again.
And I thought, okay, this is weird.
So I started thinking about it more, like, why would I be burning up and what was going on?
And so it just stuck with me.
And I kept thinking about the reasons why that would be happening and what the room looked like.
And I remember thinking that I wanted to open a window.
And then so I was like looking toward the window and it started from there.
I kind of saw the inside of the room, saw the outside of the house, and started seeing, you know, things about that experience there.
And I started seeing myself sitting on a stone wall.
And I was laughing and I don't remember why.
And then so memories started coming back.
And I realized that I lived in a town called Stonewall, Mississippi.
What I said was there are some scientists, this was a legit story the other day, not what I did earlier today.
There are some scientists who believe that if it turns out to be a triangular shape, you know, there's in essence a perfect triangle, that that would be the sign that it's an alien civilization and they wish to communicate.
You would not find perfect triangles in nature.
That was sort of the angle of the discussion.
So if it does turn out to be essentially a perfect triangle, that's an alien civilization trying to say hello, trying to say, hey, we're out here, and so forth.
When people don't know and actually just say, I don't know, I love it because too many guests, I'm sorry to say, are in the category of whatever you ask them, if they don't know, they'll make it up.
The problem with that theory, Siri, is that these light dimming and then brightening is very sharp, indicating that it's a very sharp structure of some sort where a cloud of some kind, as you're talking about, would lead to a much slower dimming and a much slower brightening as you came in and out of something that was of various density.
unidentified
Yeah, I understand.
When I say cloud, I'm using that as to explain the density would be such as to be allowed to exist.
Basically, like the thickness in relation to the rings of Saturn.
So even though it's very thin, if Saturn was putting out flight and you were getting the dimness from it, it would be very sharp in and out.
It's a fascinating adventure we're on right now, isn't it?
unidentified
Yeah, but mainly, you know, it's the fact that that much matter couldn't be there without itself becoming, at the very least, be careful about saying couldn't be.
Well, your physics training should allow for the possibility that somebody is thousands and thousands of light years ahead of us.
Which they would be.
unidentified
In theory, if they could make something thin enough, I mean very thin, but then you'd have the problem of you really wouldn't hold to it if it was a structure like, let's say, you wanted to have it where you were on the side that was facing the star.