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Nov. 9, 2015 - Art Bell
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Art Bell MITD - Ralph Sarchie
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I'm gonna deal with something I hope finally and forevermore.
You may remember the mouse in my studio that I called... ...Abby Normal.
Okay.
I have had... ...messages... ...emails... ...endless, uh... ...computer messages, uh, coming through the wormhole... ...and all of them seeing what ain't there.
This is just, we live in an impossible time.
When, if I offer you a ghost photograph or a UFO photograph, half of you will scream with some justification, oh it's blurry!
Well, you know, if you're in the presence of a ghost or a UFO or whatever, generally you're not in your normal senses, so you're moving around a little bit, right?
And the other, now let's go to the exact opposite side.
I never did get a picture of Abbey Normal, but people keep thinking I did.
It's driving me nuts.
Here's Tina, who says, Art, I just listened to The True Haunting Show and took a look at the photograph that You took trying to catch Abby.
I zoomed the photo 400% on my laptop and there she is hiding in the wires.
Toward the back of the device you said you saw her on.
Tina and everybody, that is not a mouse.
That is what's called a ferrite.
Abby had long since split.
Now to take the mystery out of it, I have just taken a picture of the Farite as it exists behind the equipment, immediately behind.
A Farite is a device used to block RF radio frequency signals from audio wires.
That's what it is.
Now, when you get to 400% above zooming, I suppose it looks like anything you want it to look like eventually.
But I put that up on Facebook so you can take a look.
It is a very clear picture of a ferrite.
Please stop telling me that's a mouse.
All right.
A police body camera recorded the father of a six-year-old autistic boy, autistic, with his hands up, posing no threat as police fired into the car, severely wounding the motorist, killing the son.
I don't know how many bullets he caught, probably about five.
Horrible.
Horrible.
And I don't know what else you can say about that.
They're out on a million dollars bond, or no, they're not out.
I guess the bond was set at a million for each one of these cops.
Looks like SeaWorld's going to end the orca shows.
If you want to see the orcas in San Diego doing their thing, you better get it done.
Because the Killer Whale Act is going away.
Now, they will continue to display them, but in their natural... I don't know how you say natural environment, because a big tank, no matter how big the tank is, is not a natural environment, but closer.
Do you have a potbelly?
Everybody with a potbelly, hold up your hand.
It can be a bad thing.
Even if you are not considered to be overweight, new research suggests normal weight people who carry their fat at their waistlines may be at a higher risk of death over the years than overweight or obese people whose fat is, well, all over the place, you know, on their hips and their thighs, right?
So if you have a potbelly, prepare for the possibility of keeling over sooner.
One more item.
Experts have been squashing the idea of the Kepler Space Telescope, that it discovered an alien megastructure near the star about 1480 light years from Earth, almost as soon as the original story raising the possibility appeared a few weeks ago.
Just because you don't understand what you're looking at doesn't mean it's aliens, chimed in ever so reasonable Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Yeah, that's right.
I talked to Neil.
However, pointing radio telescopes at it has brought nothing.
Now, I didn't expect it to bring anything.
The chances of hearing an RF signal almost 1,500 light-years away are slim and zero.
I mean, you know, I talked to Seth about that, so the fact that they have not heard anything pointing at that star does not mean, does not in any way take away from the The interesting possibility that that is an alien megastructure.
Not at all, in my opinion.
So, there you have it, but they didn't hear anything.
No, hello Earth, hello Earth, are you there?
That would have been said almost 1,500 years ago for us to hear it now.
Pretty unlikely, I would say.
All right, coming up, a retired New York PD sergeant.
His name is Ralph Sarchie.
Worked out of the 46th Precinct in New York South Bronx.
That's got to be a rough one.
However, in his other job that he calls the work, CIA, right?
No.
Investigating cases of demonic possession and assisting in the exorcisms of humanity's most ancient and most dangerous foes.
Tonight he will discuss his investigations into an inhuman evil that has never been explained, solved, or even understood.
It has been schooled in the rituals of exorcism, And is an eyewitness to the reality of the demonic.
Sargey hosts, in fact, the new Destination America series, The Demon Files, which premiered November 1st.
So, coming up in a few moments is Sergeant Sargey.
And actually, I'm going to ask him a completely unrelated question first.
And I'll let him think about it during this break.
And that is, since he was a sergeant, he was a cop, why are people shooting each other?
Cops shooting people, people shooting cops.
Here we go.
Prepare yourself.
This should be pretty interesting.
And I would like to welcome you, Sergeant Sarchie.
Ralph Sarchi to Midnight in the Desert, which is the name of my new show here.
Well, thank you, Art.
I really appreciate it.
And please call me Ralph.
I've been retired for 11 years now.
Okay, Ralph.
But I bet you still watch TV sometimes, huh?
I do, occasionally.
All right.
Well, you heard what I said before the break, and I really am starting to wonder about this now.
In the old days, and I say that as in when you and I were working the last jobs we had, I guess this kind of thing did occur occasionally, but boy, there's been an awful lot of cop shoots person or person shoots cop, you know, without apparent motive.
I wonder if you have any thoughts on it.
Well, it's a good question, and I don't believe there's a simple answer to that, and I don't believe, you know, there is a single fact.
I think there's a lot of things attributing to it.
You know, things that we don't see.
You know, I look at the total breakdown of society as far as, you know, any kind of spirituality is concerned.
And I see God being pushed out of society more and more.
Yeah, it actually goes right into our topic, doesn't it?
Yeah, pretty much it does.
Everything leads back to those roads, as far as I'm concerned.
You know, that's the way I view the world.
When did you and I last interview, Ralph?
It was October of 2001.
Holy mackerel!
Okay, back then I asked you about Father Malachi, and you and I share a trait.
We both were friends with Father Martin, and I asked you about his death then.
Boy, there has been so much speculation and talk about Father Martin's death.
Do you have any further thoughts on it, or do you think as you thought then?
Well, I'm staying with the same way that I thought back then.
I'm not going to attribute his death to the devil, but the way I look at it is this.
Just say, for argument's sake, God did allow that to happen.
The way I look at it is Father Martin was killed because of his faith, his beliefs.
Well, if that's the case, then us Catholics believe that he was martyred.
He died because of his love and service for God, so he's considered a martyr.
And that would probably be the ultimate reward for a man like Father Martin, the way I look at it.
Excuse me, do Christians, when martyred, enjoy some benefit that, you know, Muslims do when martyred?
A similar benefit?
Well, I don't believe that, you know, we have any kind of sexually orientated rewards at the end of time.
It's more along the lines, I believe that there are levels in heaven Like there are levels in hell, and it is believed that the first level, the closest level to the beatific face of God, is reserved for the holy martyrs of the church triumphant.
The next level would be reserved for the people that have lived their whole entire lives, you know, in a chaste manner.
The second level is out for me, but I could still obtain the first level, you know, and... Yeah, define that one again, please.
Level one.
Sorry?
Define that one again, please.
I'm trying to figure out where I fit in here, too.
The closest level would be if you were in the service of God and you were murdered because of that reason, because of your faith, because of your spirituality.
Really?
Yeah, so, you know, and Can we go through some more levels?
Because I'm not in there yet.
Those are the only two levels that I know of.
I don't know of any other levels.
I'm still on the journey myself and I'm still learning.
And my mentor is gone so I don't have a way of cheating anymore and making a phone call and getting my answers.
So now it takes me a lot longer because I need to pray on it and if I specifically Look into certain areas, you know, I will pray on it and I will I will pray for the answer and Most of the time I get some kind of an answer I'll be led to something, you know, and that's the way I live my life Is that the way you did your job as a cop?
No No, that was the total opposite of the spectrum you know I worked in the 4-6 precinct, and I also worked in East New York, Brooklyn, which was what we call the Police Service Area No.
2.
It was the New York City Housing Police at the time.
And I spent 10 years in East New York, Brooklyn, and it was just as violent and just as bad as the Bronx is.
Wow.
And, you know, unfortunately, I had to do things sometimes that It wasn't nice.
I didn't take pleasure in it.
I completely understand.
You know, I did a lot of ride-alongs.
I was a police dispatcher in Monterey, California, so all my friends were cops.
All my other friends stopped being my friends.
And so I know of what you speak, and I don't know.
You know, if you had the right intentions, no matter what you had to do, probably you'll make the level you want.
Well, that's exactly the intention, the intent.
I seem to be speaking a lot about that lately.
That means a whole lot, is our intentions.
You might be able to fool other people with your intentions, but there are really three people that you can't fool.
You can't fool yourself, you can't fool the devil, and you can't fool God.
That would make sense to me.
Did you begin to get into all of this, though, through your work as a cop?
In other words, you began to see certainly bad people doing bad things, and then I suppose you began to see some things that were so bad that they had to border on the demonic.
Did that happen?
Well, you know, most people go off of the movie You know, when they tried to figure out how the heck I landed where I landed in life.
And, you know, when I was a kid, I was very spiritual.
I was an altar boy.
I knew who God was and I knew who the devil was.
I just knew that they both existed.
I don't know how, I don't know why, but I just knew it.
And as I started getting older, You know, I didn't worry about God anymore.
I found girls, and I was playing baseball, and I was living life, and I didn't go to church.
I didn't think about God.
Not often.
Then when I went into the police department, I started to see these things, and I started to react to things in a manner that I shouldn't have, especially after I got shot.
That sort of changed my outlook on things, and I started to get a little more brutal.
How did you get shot?
Well, I was off duty, and I saw some guy running from a location.
I live right across the street from stores, you know, and I knew all the merchants in the neighborhood, and there was a family of Of people from Pakistan who opened up a store and the people in the neighborhood were always messing with them, you know?
And I saw somebody running across the street and he was dropping objects.
And when I called out to him and told him, hey, you dropped something, he ignored me.
He kept running so I knew something was wrong.
I chased him and I caught him.
And he appeared to give up.
And I took my eyes off of him.
And I had my gun in the shoulder holster, and when I was putting the strap on the holster, I took my hand off the weapon, and he grabbed it.
Oh, God.
And, you know, I immediately charged him, and I knocked him over.
There was a little chain to keep people off the grass, and I knocked him over that.
And he fell down, and when I went to jump on top of him, he fired one shot.
And it just so happened that it went between the trunk of my body and my right arm and it just grazed my arm.
And the second shot went into the ground and they taught us in the academy to, if somebody grabs your weapon, is to grab the cylinder and the hammer and just hold it and the gun cannot fire.
It was a revolver at the time.
And I still have the scar because I grabbed that weapon so hard that that hammer went right into the palm of my hand.
Wow.
I didn't feel it, of course, at the time.
I was, you know, worried about not getting shot.
So the only senses that I really had were my sight.
I don't remember hearing anything.
I don't remember feeling anything.
All I remember doing is seeing.
I wonder what they teach cops now with semi-automatics and 15-round clips.
Well, you know, if you grab the slide, they're going to get one round out of it and the weapon's going to jam.
Good point.
You're going to burn your hands on the gases that are escaping from that round.
Yeah.
And you might not be able to hold on to it at that point, you know, if you actually do feel it.
Like I said, you sort of lose a lot of different senses and certain senses only come into play during a life and death struggle.
Okay, well here's two things we could look at.
Ralph, and I'd love your opinion about which is true, and that is that when you and I were young, there wasn't much senseless killing, either by the police or people of the police.
There just wasn't much, you know, people didn't walk up to a cop and assassinate him.
It just was so rare as to not happen.
I guess we had the Black Panthers, stuff like that, but nothing like we've got today.
So you could either say, Look, there's just more coverage of it.
We've got these 24-hour networks, so we see this stuff.
Or, something has changed in society.
Well, just for the record, I'm still young.
So, that's the way I look at it.
But, I'm just kidding.
I'm joking.
But, no, things have definitely changed.
Without a doubt.
From the time that I was a kid, to the time that I was a cop, to the times That we're living in now and and and we're only talking about The way I look at it is about a four year span before everything just rapidly went right downhill
Well, I recall talking to Father Martin all those years ago now, Ralph, and he was saying that there was hundreds of percent of increase in demonic activity in New York particularly, because that was his area, and that it was on the increase.
And perhaps it's been increasing ever since he made that statement.
I'm sure he told you the same thing.
Well, yeah, of course, you know, I've seen it.
And it goes back to what I said earlier.
The more you push God out of society, and there is no denying that that's happening, there's something else that's got to fill that void.
And the only thing that's going to fill that void is the devil.
And the more you push God out, the more he steps in.
And this isn't something that I haven't been expecting.
It isn't something that Father Martin didn't speak about and warn me about, warn everybody about.
He's been warning us since, you know, he first appeared on your show.
Yes.
All right, well here's something that I'd like to throw in, because I think it's important.
Ralph, I spent a lot of years in my life in Asia, and I particularly spent a lot of years now, most recently, in the Philippines.
The Philippines is virtually, I think, 90% at least Catholic.
Something like that.
And when I say Catholic, I mean the Filipinos are really Catholic.
By anybody's standards, they're really Catholic.
In fact, at Christmas time, Ralph, they start by putting the decorations on all official city
stuff in fact they've hang decorations uh...
on stoplights it's all over the city is just decorated everywhere
you know they're a very very religious society and what they don't have
is people killing cops they don't have serial killers
they don't have the seemingly inexplicable uh... crimes and murders uh...
they just don't have them uh... compared to the u.s. and And I'm going to go ahead and close this out.
And so there's your difference, Ralph.
Yes.
It's a proven fact.
There are a lot of things in this world that I believe are proven facts, but they're ignored because they don't fit with what needs to be done to bring about certain events.
And I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
You know, the event of ushering in the One World Religion and the New World Order, which is a stepping stone to the Antichrist, and everything that I see going on from religion to politics... You said One World Religion.
What do you mean?
Well, you heard Father Martin speak about The Luciferian wanting a one-world religion where, you know, it's basically the state that's telling you what you can worship and how you can worship, and it's not going to be the God that I worship.
Yeah, so you think that one-world religion could be the devil?
Well yeah, I would lean towards that because it's opposite of what Jesus Christ has instituted on this earth for us as his children.
Right, well he's got a long way to go to catch up to the Catholic Church.
Unless you think the Church might be hostage A gunman in Jordan has killed at least five people, including two Americans, at a police training site on Monday.
This is going to be an interesting interview. I suggest you prepare yourself.
Dark Matter Network News. This is Amy Martin.
A gunman in Jordan has killed at least five people, including two Americans, at a police training site on
Monday.
According to the Associated Press, two of those who were killed are alleged to be government employees.
While details remain unclear, US and French authorities are still investigating the incident.
officials are still working to determine what happened and how many were killed.
President Obama said that the attacker was wearing a military uniform and killed two or three Americans, although the State Department puts the figure at two.
The U.S.
Embassy in Amman said two Americans injured in the attack were also U.S.
government workers.
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Condemning the incident, the US Embassy said that it was premature to speculate on motive.
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for any time soon. According to a military analyst, the Trident II missile is said to be a
key piece in the US's ability to deter a nuclear attack. This has been Amy Martin for Dark Matter
Network News.
It's always midnight when we're on the air, somewhere.
Hi everybody, I'm Art Bell.
My guest is Rob Sarchie.
I'm a retired New York PD Sergeant.
Worked out at the 46th Precinct in New York's South Bronx, and more.
But he's not here talking about police work, except as I have sort of asked that he do.
Joe, um, wormholes me the following.
Hello Art.
Would you like to comment on the alleged missile test, as claimed by the Navy, seen this past Saturday all over California and other states?
Smells like a big cover-up from what you can see on the videos posted all over YouTube.
Well, Joe, I think it was exactly what they said.
There was a notice to airmen that went out before the test.
They didn't make it public because it was classified.
It was a Trident.
In other words, it was a missile launched from a submarine.
And Joe, just so you know, I think it was intended to be seen not so much by everybody here on the West Coast who thought, oh cool, look at that, as much as it was meant to be seen by Russia, by Putin.
I hope you got lots of pictures of that.
You know, they're really acting out an awful lot in Russia right now, and they're beginning to act like the old Soviet Union as much as they are our new buddies Russia.
So I think that Trident launch, and there was another one by the way earlier yesterday, As well.
So, I think we're launching these as sort of a, okay, take a look-see, this is what we don't want.
Anyway, Ralph, welcome back and, you know, I made a crack going into that break about the church being hostage to the devil.
Of course, that's the title of one of Malachi's books, but, you know, I've got to ask you, Do you share the view with Malachi that the church had an increasing influence, a demonic influence, and I have no idea how far it's gone by now.
Since that time we went through a terrible period with the church, you know, with priests and molestations and all the rest of it.
So, what's your view?
Well, there isn't very much that I don't agree with Father Martin on.
You know, and I agree with him because he's presented his case very well to me, you know, and the rest of the world, as far as I'm concerned.
And, you know, we do know that the smoke of Satan has entered the cracks of the church.
But even still, Jesus tells us, even through Scripture, that the gates of hell shall not prevail against us.
So, you know, I live life in all optimism.
I try to, at least.
And I see what's happening, and it's not a surprise to me.
The only surprise to me is that it's happening sooner than I could have ever imagined.
I've got to agree with that.
I think it's happening sooner, too.
Yeah, I wasn't prepared for it, to tell you the truth.
Right, I wasn't either.
I've been very shocked at behavior changes in America.
I guess maybe in the world, but in America too.
You know, if you look around the world, of course we've got the guys dressed in black, cutting off heads and that sort of thing, but right here at home.
Okay, so do you think, Ralph, that Possessions are still increasing in number.
I guess that's a silly question, huh?
Well, yes, I would have to say so.
At least the infestations and the oppressions are on the rise, and we have an increase in the occult.
People, they're more interested in the occult.
With the technology, the internet, we have more information at our fingertips now.
And I think people, they seem to have more information these days, but they seem to be getting dumber.
You know, that's the way I see it.
People are going into areas that they shouldn't even be thinking about.
I know.
Which is not a smart, which is not a smart move.
They're opening up these doors and some really nasty stuff is coming through.
All right, as a guy who was a cop, I'm going to ask you a really, really tough question.
And that is, if people are, in fact, possessed by a demon or possessed by the devil, shouldn't that be a legal defense in court?
Hmm.
Yeah, I bet.
Well, you know, I don't really believe that the court is going to believe in demonic possessions, so good luck with trying to get around that one.
Anything is possible.
I don't really see the devil Uh-huh.
Exposing himself?
Let me make it harder on you.
Oh, geez.
Okay.
Let's make it harder on you.
Let's assume there's been a terrible murder committed, and that you were an investigator in that murder.
And the guy who commits the murder claims he's innocent by virtue of possession.
And you actually think that he was possessed because you do believe in possession.
So let's assume that you had a chance to actually meet this guy and you figured out that, yes, he does appear to be possessed.
And so now we're at trial and you're sitting in the witness seat and the defense attorney is asking you, Sergeant, you do believe that possession is possible, right?
Has to be a yes answer.
Do you believe that so-and-so sitting right over there is possessed?
That'd be a tough moment for you, wouldn't it?
No, I would tell him the truth.
I would tell him what I felt.
And if I felt that the man was possessed, I would tell him yes.
And then I would tell him why.
And then the DA would take you away and have a really stern talk with you.
Well, it's possible, but I doubt it.
Because if I come up with fact, Oh.
And I can come up with other cases that are similar to it.
Okay.
Alright, actually that's a very interesting statement, if you come up with fact.
Alright, in any case that you can ever consider that you have been involved in, what are the facts that determine possession?
Well, we have signs that we're given From the Roman Ritual, which is the prayer book that the priest, the exorcist, will utilize.
And we look for certain signs, like abnormal strength, knowing information that they couldn't possibly know, speaking in a language or a voice that is not of the person, meaning they would speak a language that they have no way of knowing.
And a very strong aversion to anything holy like Jesus or the Blessed Mother, but in these days, that alone, you know, couldn't be used because it's such an aversion to Jesus and his mother.
By people that aren't, in fact, possessed, they might be influenced, but they're not possessed.
They just don't like Jesus.
But speaking in, I don't know, Aramaic or something, might be a pretty big sign.
Well, I'll give you an example, because Father Martin was involved in this and, you know, it is going to be spoken about in the documentary coming out about him.
There was a young child that he was dealing with.
This child was about four years old when Father Martin first Yes.
became involved in her case. And we were discussing it one day. Actually, I was asking him why
God would allow children to become possessed, and Father Martin said it would be a chastisement
towards the parents for not teaching the children about God.
And he said to me that, you're going to see an uprise in child possession in the future.
He says, and I need you to look out for that, specifically look for that. And then it
was about another four years later, Father Martin had already passed. I got involved in this
child's exorcism. I assisted Bishop McKenna and Father Rahmer in the exorcism, and we were
basically looking to get to know To get proof for the archdiocese of where this girl came from.
So the archdiocese can work with her because she came from another state.
Right.
During the exorcism, this eight-year-old little child spoke fluent Latin.
And also responded to questions in Latin that she couldn't have possibly known.
I could produce children that are eight-year-old that can Speak in Latin, write it, and they can understand it.
But they've been trained in it since first grade.
This child had no formal training in Latin whatsoever.
She was novus ordo.
She was a mainstream Catholic Church.
Okay.
In the traditional Catholic Church, the mass is in Latin.
So the children that attend this school, they know this response is in Latin.
Uh, from a young age because they're taught.
So that would be one of the signs that we would be looking for.
There's, there's, there's really no way that this eight year old, uh, can, can actually speak fluent Latin in that manner.
How did that case resolve?
Well, you know, once, once it was actually passed on to the archdiocese of where this girl lived, I, I lost track of the case.
It wasn't mine.
Okay.
Uh, I just, I was asked to assist at it.
That's it.
A lot of times I get a phone call and say, be at such and such a location.
Uh, you're assisting at, we, you know, we need you to assist.
And I, and I would show, I would ask how many do we need?
And they'd tell me how many people they wanted and I'd get them and we'd go.
The way you said what you said sort of tipped me off that maybe Father Martin was preparing you for a time when he thought he might be gone.
Do you think that could be?
Well, Father Martin said a lot of things to me that didn't make sense to me at the time and they're making sense now.
You know, Father Martin dealt with a lot of people.
And, you know, he... I'm sure that each person that he spoke to, you know, there was something that was needed to be done.
And he would have certain insights to those things, but he never really gave too much information on it.
And...
Well, I say this because it sounds like he was preparing you to continue some aspect of his work, Ralph.
Frankly, it does sound that way.
Well, I don't know.
I think that we're all in trouble because, you know, if that's the case, then we're at the bottom of the barrel.
You know, it is the end times.
And, you know, I would suggest, you know, get a relationship with God.
Don't rely on anybody else but God.
Do you think, by the way, you brought it up, so is it possible that things have gone so far out of kilter that we are knocking on the door of the end times here?
Well, you know, I've become pretty good friends with some of Father Martin's friends that I've become acquainted with because of the documentary.
One of the things that I was taught, a lot of puzzle pieces are being filled by the way, you know, right now for me with the people that I'm meeting and I've become friends with.
This is the British documentary you're referring to, right?
Yes.
Yeah, I'm going to be in that as well.
Yes, I know that and I spoke to Marty Stalker and actually the day before he was coming out to interview you, I had called him and I said,
hey, you need to find Art Bell and speak to him.
And he says, we're interviewing him tomorrow.
So, you know, I know Marty did his homework.
Oh, he did his homework.
Trust me, he did it.
His questions definitely proved that.
Anyway, again, could it be we are closing in on the end times?
I mean, as you look around the world, not just the U.S., but the world, there's just plain evil out there.
I mean, you look at these ISIS people, the ones that might have just brought down this airliner.
And the very center of their ideology, the very center of what they want, Ralph, is the end times.
Well, they want to dominate the world, we know that.
And, you know, we know that human nature, we're designed to be free.
We're not designed to be Plebs, or told what to do, told what to think, told what to feel, told what to eat, told how to dress, told when to pray, told who to pray to.
Correct.
You get the point.
That destroys, that destroys people's humanity.
And the only thing that could come out of that is not good.
And when I look at the Apocalypse According to Saint John, which is the Book of Revelations, I listen to what the prophecies have made by the doctors and the saints of the church, the great visionaries, the holy people who were privy to certain information that we are not privy to, because we're not holy enough.
All of these things They lead to where we're headed.
They're at the end of the path, but in the same vein.
You know, if everything was written in stone, then I don't believe that Jesus would send his mother down like in the Fatima apparitions, Our Lady of La Salette, Our Lady of Guadalupe.
If it was written in stone, then why would he send his mother here to tell us we can change all of that?
And if we just did certain things, We would receive special graces where we would avert a lot of the things that we as men and we as human beings are pushing on ourselves.
Because it's not God that's doing it, it's us that's doing it, not Him.
Well, is it?
If the devil really does get into people, and or his representative, or a demon, or whatever.
In fact, we ought to really break that down a little bit.
And even before we do that, you said there were, you believed, levels to what we talk about as heaven, or the afterlife.
And you said you also believe there are levels, you know, down below.
What are those?
Warm, hot, and fire?
Well, no, I believe it goes according to the way you've lived your life.
Well, you know, you look at heaven and you say, okay, we have these virtues that we're given.
Like if you're martyred, if you live a chaste life, you know, that's all about, that's about
all I know right now. And I look at the complete opposite.
The flip side to the coin would be, okay, the levels of hell.
What is a serious sin?
Murder.
The willfully taking of another human's life, an innocent person.
I would have to say that, okay, so if you're martyred for God, and you receive the first level, well, on the flip side of the coin is if you take somebody's life, Well, guess what?
You got the front row seat in hell.
And I would correlate it that way.
You know, and then you look at the second level is chastity.
Well, the sins of the flesh would be the next sin on that list.
And from what I know from Scripture, and what the visionaries have said, the doctors of the church, is that the sins of the flesh Probably what's going to be the most crowded level.
Figures.
Is in that area because the sins that are connected with, you know, the sins of the flesh, the passions of our Lord Jesus Christ was the scourging of his flesh.
And I'm sure that Father Martin spoke to you about the Roman phlegm, you know, how they went about their torturous deeds of scourging the human being.
Yes.
Well, you know, get yourself a little twig or a rope and try to hit yourself on the back.
See how painful that is.
All right, Ralph, hold on.
It's going to be rough stuff, folks, so a little warning to you.
If this sort of thing scares you, you might want to tune out.
I get these messages from the Wormhole as we go along with the guest, and here's a kind of a negative one.
Patricia of Oakland says, your guest's understanding of good and evil is that of a child.
No, not of a child.
Of a, I would guess, conservative Catholic, much as Father Malachi Martin was.
Not a child's version of good and evil, but I get it.
I so totally get it.
So, we were talking about the two levels of good and evil, and of evil, taking of life would be at the top of the list.
Just to clarify for me, uh, Ralph, if, let's suppose that incident with the gun, the guy who shot you, had turned out differently, and, um, you, to protect your own life, I mean, if he'd, you know, you'd somehow got the gun back, and, uh, he'd yanked out a knife and he was charging you and you shot him, That would be, of course, the taking of a life.
So does that still get you to the same level, or is there some consideration for self-defense?
Well, yeah, it's an unjustifiable, I said, taking of an innocent life.
Somebody who's charging me is not innocent.
That's right.
All right, good.
Good to know.
And the sins of the flesh part, I don't know if we can get into that, but I know I'm in trouble.
You and me both.
There's no saint here.
You're not talking with a saint.
And yes, I am very childlike.
I consider myself a child of God.
Jesus tells us that we should approach Him like children.
So, yeah, you know, I look at myself as a child.
I like to feel like I have somebody else in control of things.
Because if I'm in control, I know I'm going to mess them up somehow.
You know, I always do.
I have history, too.
I just try to go through life as close to God as I can.
What is the difference, if you can define it, between a demonologist and an exorcist?
You know, it's a title.
We seem to be getting hung up on titles these days, you know.
I would rather not use the title demonologist, but, you know, when I get interviewed, people want to know, well, what is your title?
I don't want to be known as a paranormal investigator.
I don't want to be known as a ghost hunter.
I'm not a demon hunter or a demon slayer.
There is no such thing.
We don't hunt demons.
We're the ones that are hunted.
We're the prey here.
So once you get that into your mind, maybe you'll understand the dynamic or the natural order of the supernatural and the preternatural, where we fit in that order.
We're the prey and we're the prize, right?
Well, yes.
Well, you know what?
The devil doesn't look at us as a prize.
He despises us.
The only reason he comes after us is because of his hatred for God.
He doesn't look at us as anything other than a way to get back at him.
Everything's got to be a war, doesn't it?
Unfortunately, but that's what heaven is.
No more war.
Boy, do I hope you're right.
Well, according to my beliefs, there is no pain, there is no suffering, there is no anger, there is no anything other than pure love, joy, and happiness in heaven.
I hope that's right.
I crave that.
I really do crave that.
I crave that for this world.
I'm not going to be able to do it, and, you know, the only one that could have done it failed, and he's much more greater than I can ever be.
But I can still try to help individuals as much as I can.
And that is what you do.
You certainly believe that possession is real, that a person can be possessed, obviously.
We've talked about that now.
And we've also talked about the signs of a legitimate possession, as in talking in a language you couldn't possibly know.
Another thing that Father Martin talked about that never will leave me for the rest of my life is the perfect possession discussion.
Father Martin said he could walk by somebody on the streets of New York And he could just look at them in the eyes, and he could tell that they were perfectly possessed.
That they had made their deal, for whatever, with the devil, essentially.
And whether it was for a woman, a man, a job, fame, fortune, whatever it is they wanted, they made that deal.
And there they are, walking along the street, perfectly possessed.
Right?
Well, you know, I can't do that.
That's why I laugh when you say that I'm replacing him because... Oh, I didn't say you were replacing him.
I said that he was preparing you to continue your work.
I gotcha.
You know what?
I don't have that ability.
He was something different.
He was something very special.
Yes.
You know, not many people are called to do things the way he did them.
I'll say.
There was a lot more to him than just exercising demons, you know, and that'll be brought out when this documentary comes out because there was so many levels and dimensions to that man.
I know people say there is no Father Martin, another one out there, and they're right about that because, trust me, we've looked and we've never found anybody, anything like Father Martin.
Not even close.
And you never will.
I know.
You never will.
I now understand that, yes.
But that's the way it works, you know.
The more and more we push God out of society, the less and less He gives us.
Now you have to really seek it on your own.
And yes, you seek it childlike.
Yes.
Are there three stages of diabolical activity?
Yes.
What would they be?
The first stage would be the infestation.
That's the external phenomenon happening at a location.
Right.
And then the next stage is a two-part stage.
It's an oppression.
An obsession stage that one is an external attack one is an internal attack The oppression is basically we consider the oppression being infestation on steroids Things are completely out of control in the house externally, but at the same time There's usually a lot of influence a lot of internalized attacks from the demonic to push people to Further into sin, further away from God, which leads into the third stage of possession.
Demonic possession, which is pretty self-explanatory, but there are two other stages that are also involved.
The initial stage would be an invitation.
There needs to be some form of an invitation in order to bring that demon or allow that demon to enter into our plane of existence and actually manipulate Our physical environment.
Okay, well that would seem to run contrary to what you said earlier about the five-year-old.
Remember the five-year-old?
Um, well, no.
You see, it was a four-year-old.
Four-year-old, whatever.
Okay, continue, continue.
What I'm saying is that you suggested to me that it was something done by the parents of that child.
No, we got information about a family member, and I know you're familiar with this because you spoke to Father Martin about it.
It was a family member that had created this invitation, which in fact opened that child up to possession.
These stages, even though we have these stages, some of them can be skipped, just like the stages of exorcism.
We might not get an infestation.
We might go right into a possession, or we might go right into an obsession or an oppression.
So, we do know that an invitation needs to take place in order for that demon to come into our world and interact with it.
But apparently it doesn't have to be by the innocent who becomes possessed.
No, it does not.
It could be invited by somebody else, which is very much the case of a person who buys a home.
And the family that lived in that home prior to that might have been practicing Satanist, and they were doing rituals, and they invited a demonic spirit in.
They could have been playing with tarot cards.
They could have been playing with Ouija boards.
You know, there could have been other things, drug use, sexual abuse, domestic violence.
All of these things can be draws for the demonic.
Is every single You know, is a demonic going to come on the scene every single time these things are done?
No.
It's not the case.
But there are certain instances where it will happen.
Let's take the case of a Ouija board.
They really scare me.
I had a very bad experience that I never, ever am going to discuss.
But, you know, it's just a hunk of cardboard and a little wood thing you move around and it really is nothing.
So here we come back to this word, intent.
If it is the intent of the person, To speak to a spirit, to speak to a dead person, or to speak to actually, frankly, they don't most times have even a clue who they're going to speak to or who they are speaking to when they use it.
So it's the intent of the person using it, of course, right?
They could just as easily, I suppose, sit in a chair and simply wish to speak or to have somebody who has passed on come to them and have a discourse.
That's as simple as it can get.
You know, we do the same thing when we pray.
We sit and we pray and we make a connection to who we're praying.
We can sit in a chair and we can think about a person and make a connection to that person.
How many times did you ever think about somebody and within the next three, two or three days they call you?
It's happened to me numerous times.
Many men.
You actually, you actually do make a connection to people.
So, you know, thought has form.
Thought has substance.
And prayer is the same exact thing.
So when you, you can pray for something good and you can You can actually have the intention for something bad.
I do believe, Ralph, that we're connected.
I think there's even science that backs it up.
You know, this quantum entanglement business would suggest that even particles can become entangled with each other.
So why not people?
We're far more complicated.
Sure.
So, yes, we can be connected to people, and I suppose we can be connected to people and or spirits on either side.
Well, we pray for the good ones to connect themselves to us.
We pray for God to send his saints and his angels to protect us.
You know, and there are people from the opposite side of the coin that pray to Satan to send them his angels.
And that's what makes the world go round.
Yeah, I guess it is.
What are the indicators of demonic activity?
I mean, is it the typical stuff you see in movies with stuff flying off the wall?
I talked to a poor lady who spent six years Well, yeah, there's a whole array of things.
and some horrible things happened. You know, things flew around, windows broke,
knives appeared where they shouldn't be. In fact, where somebody would likely sit
down on one of them. Terrible things happened and it went on for six full
years. Well, yeah, there's a whole array of, you know, of things. When you get to the
point where things are flying off the wall, we consider that an oppression, the
oppression stage, because the infestation stage, like I said, normally it starts
as something subtle.
It gets your attention.
But you're not quite frightened by it.
You might be amused by it, even.
You know, little tapping noises, they may respond to you.
The tapping noises may respond to you.
You may ask a question, and all of a sudden the taps are corresponding to what you're saying, and now you've got a whole house that's your personal Ouija board.
And as you go along with interacting with this spirit, it sneaks up on you more and more until it actually gets what it wants from you, and that's your permission.
Well, people are weak, right?
And at times, people are strong.
At other times, people are weak.
And it takes but one moment of weakness, huh?
Well, we all have that.
Like you say, we're all weak beings for the most part.
I know I am.
I struggle with a lot of things in this life.
You know, but I recognize the struggle and I keep moving towards that goal of getting closer to God and becoming a better person.
You know, like not using the profanity, not getting angry and things like that.
But, you know, these are all human traits and some of those things can be used for good.
You know, I know my priests yell at me and say, you're trying to turn anger into a virtue.
But I don't know of any warrior, and that includes the Warriors for God, who went into battle who were not angry at the person that they were fighting.
That's right.
You can't kill a man unless you're mad at him.
That's right.
So there is an element of anger in pretty much everything.
It's the journey of trying to control it and trying to get it under control for one reason.
Because God wants us to do it.
And it benefits our fellow human being, which is what Jesus tells us to do, is to love God and love one another.
And that's all we would really need.
We wouldn't hurt each other.
And I don't want to see people getting hurt.
I don't like suffering.
Can somebody become possessed, Ralph, even if they don't believe?
Yes.
Have you ever seen an example of that?
Pretty much, I would say that most of my cases, the vast majority of my cases, I would hear somewhere along the line, I never believed in this stuff.
I don't believe in the devil, Ralph.
I don't believe in the devil, Mr. Saatchi.
But, you know, I believe in him now.
I've heard that countless times while I'm sitting in a stranger's home listening to what they're telling me.
I don't go around knocking on people's doors and saying, hey, you got a demon in there, let me in, I'll help you out.
These people come to me.
Right.
How far, Ralph, can you go with people?
I mean, if mom calls you and she's got a son who's, I mean, clearly possessed.
What can you do?
You can begin to collect evidence, I guess?
You have the right contacts?
How do you proceed?
Well, the first thing I would do is I would have to speak to Junior.
I'm always going to speak to the person that's the subject.
I don't take third-person cases unless It is a family member and they feel that, or they suspect that a family member is having a problem.
You know, um, I'm going to need that person.
And you mentioned this word quite a bit tonight, and I'm so happy you did.
Intention.
I need the intention of that person who either believes they're possessed or are genuinely possessed.
I need the intention of that person to want to free themselves of that demon.
If not, We have a perfect possession.
And you know what Father Martin said about that?
Oh yes.
So I'm going to need to have that person say to me, you know, because listen, people, people who are possessed by a demonic spirit are not possessed 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
They have lucid moments where they, they, they are functioning.
It's difficult for them.
And that is the, the, the timeframe that they can reach out for help.
And that's when I need them to say to me, listen, I need this help, and I really do need help, and I want it.
And then I'm ready to go to the center of hell to help that person out, as long as they say to me, listen, I need and I want your help.
And you know what?
I know that I have to accept God, and I know I have to have a relationship with Him.
There isn't anything that I wouldn't do to help that person at that point.
Okay.
But if there's any time That that person says, you know what?
I really don't want to do this anymore.
Then I'll stop.
Well, I guess you have to make sure that you're talking to the real person, right?
When they say that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've had that experience before.
I was on the phone for about an hour arguing with this person and didn't even realize that he was under possession at the time.
He got me so angry because he was ripping my faith apart.
And, um, at that point, you know, I was no longer a demonologist.
I was a cop and I was ready to pound this guy into the ground, you know, and I totally got played, uh, completely.
So I call my partner up at the time, Joe Forrester, and he goes, Ralph, don't you realize you were talking to the demon?
And I'm like, Oh my God, how stupid am I?
You know?
Um, but I learned from it and, uh, you know, that's, That's how it is.
That's how it's done.
So your partner believed as you do?
Well, yeah.
Yeah, we were in it together.
All right, so here's a big question for you, and that is, people like yourself, whether talking to somebody on the phone who's possessed or in the presence of somebody who's possessed, what level of danger is there for you?
Well, first off, if I have a case of suspected demonic possession, I will always do an interview in person.
It can't be done on the phone.
I need to sit down with that person and speak to them.
That's the first thing.
But the dangers at that point, well, you know, it's up to God what these demons are allowed to know.
So, if God obscures from this demon, This person is reaching out for help.
The demon won't know it, but in most cases the demon is going to know that this person is reaching out for help and most likely it's going to try to stop that person from doing that.
A lot of times I would have activity happen in my house And I wasn't quite sure if it was a case that I dealt with, or one that I was going to get, or one that I'm dealing with at the moment.
But usually if I would have some phenomenon happen, within the next few days I would wind up getting a case of genuine possession.
Wow.
I know that everybody that's in this work, that's doing it from the right point of view, has experienced that.
So, you know, they will know.
Are you married with children?
I really don't know, Ralph, what you're... Well, I'm divorced.
Divorced, okay.
And I have two daughters and I have two grandsons.
Do you worry about bringing something to your house?
No.
No, I don't worry about that because I've reached a different understanding than I had years ago.
On what it is that I should be doing, and what's been made very clear to me is that the Blessed Mother is very important in all of this.
She plays a very important role.
And I know my Protestant friends aren't going to like this, but, you know, the Blessed Mother is basically our protection here on Earth.
Jesus left her here when He ascended up into Heaven on Ascension Thursday.
And she is our first line of defense down here.
And she protects us.
Her son Jesus protects us through his mother.
And he also gives us graces through his mother.
Because he's going to judge us.
So he gives us his mother to be the mother of mercy.
And I go to her for my protection.
And I pray my rosary every day.
And I wear my scapular every day.
You really are Catholic to the core, aren't you?
I live a chaste life.
I live my life basically as a priest, but outside the church.
You know, I have friendships.
There are people that I love, but I cannot do certain things in life, and I want to live according to the way God wants me to live.
in order for me to be effective and for him to hear my prayers and to protect myself, my family, my investigators and the people that I'm there helping.
I need to be doing it right and if I'm not I won't be effective and he will not hear my prayers.
So I need to actually walk the walk in order to do what needs to be done and I'm trying to do the best that I can.
Are there people, Ralph, who Actually want to be possessed?
Yes.
And what?
I mean, typically, how does that develop?
It's unimaginable.
You know, I, I want to be possessed by the devil.
Who would say that with meaning and intent ever?
I mean, it's like saying, I want the worst to happen to me.
I don't understand that myself.
And I understand you perfectly what you're saying.
But You know, I look at, you know, in order to answer a lot of questions, you gotta look at human behavior.
Why is it that somebody is so willing to kill another person to take what he has?
Oh boy, I'm trying to figure that one out myself.
Wouldn't that be the same type of person who would say to the devil, hey listen, possess me.
I want the power, I want the money.
You know, I speak to a lot of people and a lot of them are not exactly what you would consider Somebody that I would go out and sit and have a beer with.
You could say that they are my enemy because of who they worship.
And basically, they say that they know that the devil, at a certain point, they find out that the devil is in fact a liar.
He's not going to give you anything except for what he's giving you right now.
And that's usually money, sex, Drugs and power.
And that satisfies the narcissist.
It's here.
It's now.
I want it.
And I don't give a damn who I got to crush.
And they don't even give a damn where their soul ends up at the end.
But they're going to worry about it when they do take their last breath.
Because then they're going to realize what they did.
And it's going to be too late.
I interviewed somebody you'd be quite surprised about.
Her name is Blanche Barton, and she's like the high priestess of the Church of Satan.
And you know, Ralph, I thought it would be a really scary interview.
I mean, I was waiting for rattling chains and all the rest of it.
Well, you know what I got instead?
I got this wonderful Articulate, sweet-sounding woman who was telling me how wonderful her faith in her church was in just the nicest way you can imagine.
It was not scary.
It was like the sweetest invitation you've ever heard in your whole life.
And the audience said, oh, that wasn't scary.
But then a day later, when I reviewed the program, and I listened to what she said, and the way she said it, it scared the hell out of me, frankly.
Well, you know, the way I look at it, when I go to my church, it's beautiful, and it's not scary.
So I can get the same thing to where I'm going, but in the same vein, I'm not going to owe anything When I'm done, you know, God's going to accept me because of love.
But the devil, she's going to owe the devil when she's done.
Alright, Ralph, hold on.
What we're going to do, sit tight Ralph, we're going to open the lines when we come back from the break.
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That said, back to Ralph Snarchie, who was a cop and is now kind of fighting the devil.
Not kind of, actually is.
I want to talk a little bit about something you certainly would understand.
That'd be rules.
Everybody has rules.
And I know the Catholic Church has rules.
And we have rules.
We want to get to heaven, whichever level, and or get somewhere else.
We can either follow or break rules.
And you know what I wonder, Ralph?
I wonder if demons have rules.
They certainly do.
God sets them and they follow them.
Demons follow God's rules.
He created them.
So give me an example of a demon's rule.
You can't just go around and kill Any human being that it wants to kill, which is everyone, God doesn't give it permission to do that.
If they knew everything about us, they'd be able to destroy us.
We'd be at such a great disadvantage.
So God has to, you know, give them the rules to operate by, because we're lesser beings than them.
You know, we're a lot weaker than they are, and it's unfair.
It seems to me that you're right about that, Ralph, that demons have a rule that they cannot kill humans.
However, that doesn't mean humans don't die as a result of what demons do.
And by that I mean, it seems like demons are always trying to talk somebody into killing somebody else, or they're talking people into trying to kill themselves.
Well, let's say they want to end with a death, and that was the final stage that I was trying to get to.
You know, with the three stages of diabolical activity, with the infestation, the oppression, and the possession.
Right.
And, you know, the invitation being one of the stages that's needed.
And the end result of all of the stages would be a death, preferably at one's own hands.
Ralph, that's why I'm asking whether you've ever been harmed while investigating a case.
It seems to me somebody trying to move in and change the otherwise case that's being made by this demon, whatever it might be, would be a prime candidate for getting hurt.
Well, that would be the end result that the demonic would want, but it's not the end result that God would want, so it doesn't happen.
And therefore, by the grace of God, go I. But the demonic look at us in two ways.
We're either prey, or we're either a threat.
When you get to know who the devil is, you know he exists, you have a relationship with God, And you get to know God the way He wants us to get to know Him?
Right.
Once that happens, you get to know the devil, because you know God's nature.
So you can understand the devil better, and he doesn't like that, and you're a threat to him at that point.
So those are the two ways that the devil is going to view you, either as a threat or as prey.
So, again, have you ever been harmed in a case?
Well, yeah, I've had a difficulty in one case.
I was in a basement.
I shouldn't have been there alone.
I was rather new to the work at that time.
My partner and I were just basically starting out.
It was in the early part of the 90s.
So we were in the learning stage and I made some mistakes.
We've, we've always made mistakes, uh, you know, and we've learned from them.
Uh, and, and, and we've been able to, uh, to operate better because of them, but sometimes it, it comes at a great price.
You know, um, the devil is always going to try to make you miserable to keep your mind off of him and off of your cases.
And put your mind on to your misery, because he likes it better that way.
Okay, well, I hope I haven't pushed you too hard.
I want to take you now to some calls, and let's see what they do.
Let's go first to Skype and John.
Hello.
Hello, Art Bell.
How are you?
I'm fine.
John, you're a little far away from your microphone, whatever it is you're using, for one.
So if you're on a laptop, sneak up close to that little hole in the top of the laptop and talk.
Okay, can you hear me now?
Well, you're still echoey, but go ahead.
Well, I'm sorry about the connection.
I thought it was better, but I wanted to ask your guest.
Hello, Ralph.
I wanted to ask your guest if he knew about one of your guests earlier on your new show.
Yes, let me investigate that right now.
malachy martin had been a contract agent for the central intelligence agency
that's back uh... yes on let me uh...
investigate that right now indeed i had uh...
a man on ralph who said that uh...
uh... in france father malachy had
have been dispatched by the c i a uh... in some way to retrieve
an object uh... at at a dinner as a matter of fact and uh...
or if you'd ever heard that that the he had had any contacts at all with the c
i a Yeah.
Well, yeah, but to tell you the truth, Father Martin has never really gone into that detail with me, but like I said, Art, after the documentary, I was put in the path of certain people who were very close to Father Martin that I was not aware of.
Father Martin had a way of keeping his friends separate from one another.
Which is a pretty smart tactic if you really think about it.
Oh yes.
It's a safe way to go through life, and it's usually when you're involved in something deep, you usually do that.
You separate your friends.
Okay, but that's a yes.
Well, you know, I can only assume at this point.
There's been a lot of things that I've heard about Father Martin over the years that Within the last year have either been disproven or proven to me, so I wouldn't doubt it, but I don't know for sure, so I really can't say.
But you've heard these things.
I've heard rumors, of course, you know, and I would say that this could be very feasible, but you've got to remember that the Vatican had themselves probably one of the best intelligence agencies in the entire universe, because God was at the head of that one.
Okay.
Jackson, Mississippi.
Hello.
Hello?
Yes, ma'am.
You've got a lot of noise in the background.
I'm sorry.
That's better.
I have a question for you, Art, as well as one for Ralph.
Is that all right?
Sure.
Okay.
I heard your interview with the African Brigadier General.
A few days ago, and I was wondering if you ever contacted him after that.
The African Brigadier General, who was that?
I don't recall his name, but he had... A UFO had crashed, and he was in the Army, and they brought him to the U.S.
I'm sorry, I guess without a name, I don't recall it offhand.
Go ahead with your question for Ralph.
All right.
Hello, Ralph.
I was just curious to know how one would know if they were being influenced by a demon and not... Okay, at the beginning, in other words, how would they know if the influence was there?
Ralph?
I would have to say by the outcome of whatever the action is.
If it was good for your soul, then I would have to say that the devil had nothing to do with it.
That's a tough question.
It really is a tough question, isn't it?
I mean, I could go through intricate detail on how the devil actually does that, goes about that, but as far as knowing what is our own and what is the influence of the devil, I can only go by whatever The outcome of the act is would lead you to believe on who was the most influential over the decision that you made.
Okay, let's go somewhere outside the country and Tiger Lily, hello.
Hi Art, I have a question for Ralph.
Could you tell us, like from beginning to end, how someone contacts you, what you look forward to?
There's a lot of different ways.
Facebook is one.
Sometimes I get a letter.
Sometimes people find family members and contact me through that way.
How would somebody contact you?
Oh, there's a lot of different ways.
Facebook is one.
Sometimes I get a letter.
Sometimes people find family members and contact me through that way.
I would set up basically an interview on the phone.
And these days I have so many people that are coming to me, chances are that you're
going to speak to one of my investigators first.
And then I'll look into it if the investigator feels that it's something legit.
You're that busy, huh?
Unfortunately, I am.
You know, not only people who are suffering from demonic activity, I get a lot of people who are mentally ill.
So, that takes a lot of time to figure whether it's a mental illness or if it is actually demonic activity, or if it's both.
Who says that people who are mentally ill cannot suffer from diabolical activity?
So, it's really tough sometimes.
It takes me months and months sometimes to really get to the heart of the situation.
So, it does take a lot of time.
I guess mental illness can look a whole lot like demonic activity, is that right?
Yeah, it does, but people who are mentally ill don't know they're mentally ill, so I sort of work it in that, you know, along that vein.
And there are some people that are mentally ill that are very intelligent, and you know, their mental illness is not, you know, it doesn't stop them from functioning in a normal society, but it's there.
And it is a nuisance, you know, to them.
And it's an unfortunate cross that they have to bear.
And I'm sure a nuisance to you as well, too, in trying to differentiate.
I don't look at it like that, you know.
Whether they're suffering from diabolical activity for real, or whether they're imagining it, they're still suffering either way.
So, you know, I try to help them, but I help them in a different way.
You know, I'm not going to push If somebody's suffering from mental illness, I'm certainly not going to push the fact that they're possessed.
I'm going to try to lead them more in towards a discussion about faith in God.
Instead of talking about the devil, I want their mind off of the devil, and I want their mind on God, where they would be more inclined to Alright, let's keep going.
A lot of people want to talk to you.
TMAC, whatever that is, you're on the air.
Hello, Art.
Hi.
I had a question for Ralph.
I was listening to a couple of his, I guess his theology on certain things.
I wanted to know, where does it say in the Bible that Mary is Well, I didn't say the protector of the earth.
If you remember during the crucifixion when Jesus was just about to command his spirit into the hands of his father, the only two that were left was his mother and St.
John, who was the youngest apostle but one of Jesus' favorites.
And Jesus looked down and he said to his mother, mother behold your son, and he said, son behold your mother.
I don't believe that Jesus was saying, you know, hey listen you guys I want you to look after my mother.
I think he would have automatically done that.
I think what Jesus basically was giving us is that he was giving his mother to us and he was giving us to his mother because he loves us and he knew that he was leaving and at that point when he rose from the dead he was now going to judge us.
So, in God's mercy, instead of leaving us out here, hanging in the breeze, he appoints Jesus as our judge, but at the same time he gives us his mother as the mother of mercy, so Jesus can work through her to give us the graces that we deserve when we do good, kind acts for one another.
I hope that helps you.
Okay.
Yeah, because I was just I ask this more from, like, an educational point of view since I'm not too familiar with, like, Catholic theology and stuff.
You know what?
I look at it this way.
I'm sorry.
I look at it this way.
Do you love your mother?
Mm-hmm.
Do you love your mother?
Yes, I do.
You do.
Now, if I did something nice for your mother, would you like me or dislike me?
If you did something nice to my mom?
Yes.
You would like me?
Oh, well, yeah.
So when I say my prayers and I say to the Blessed Mother, will you please pray for me to your son?
You know, I love the fact that you are the mother of my Savior and you said yes.
And you are sanctified because the Savior of this world actually grew in her body.
Her womb is sanctified ground.
Why would we not honor The mother of God.
We honor our own mothers.
So why not honor God's mother?
There's nothing wrong with it.
And you know what?
Jesus loves the Blessed Mother more than anything His Father created.
And you know what?
If she's good enough for Jesus, then she's good enough for me.
Can't argue with that, I guess.
All right.
Let's go to Phoenix.
You're on the air with Ralph Sarchie.
Hi.
Hi.
This is Michael.
Yep.
First time caller, right?
Yes, sir.
At least in the last 20 years.
Good to hear you back on the air, Art.
Thank you.
I'm your friend out here with the bad back also, by the way.
I know what you're going through.
Okay, I have a quick question.
Well, Art, you used to speak about something that you called the quickening.
Yes.
And do you feel, also Ralph, do you feel that there's, I feel like that this Maybe what Art calls the quickening to me is these dark influences that have been moving into, I don't want to sound crazy, but like our dimensional plane or our existence because of these secret societies that have been trying to bring forth Lucifer and things like that.
I feel like there's a lot of really strange and bad things happening.
Scholar, you've said it very well in a way.
Look, the quickening was just my general observation that things in the world are happening at a faster and faster rate.
Now, you can extend that to mean that the influence of evil is apparent.
More and more and more, and I don't think there can be any argument that that is true.
It is so absolutely true.
You would agree with that, Ralph, right?
Oh, yes, definitely, without a doubt.
Sure, and that's what Father Martin said.
A lot of America has moved in an interesting way, Ralph, and if Father Martin was here today, they would ask him some questions, and when he answered with the traditional Catholic response to questions about whether it would be about homosexuality, or anything else that is presently very controversial within the church, there would be a lot of hatred toward him.
So America's changed in a very big way, and I can guarantee you, Ralph, that if I were to ask you these questions, and you were to give me the traditional Catholic response, you would get a lot of hate mail.
You understand that, right?
Well, I already get it.
So, you know, it would just increase a little bit.
And, you know, that would be fine.
And the way I look at it is this.
If I wasn't hated, then I wouldn't be doing something right.
Um, that's exactly right.
That is right.
I know when I do a good show, Ralph, I get a lot of really good mail and I get a lot of really nasty mail.
I'm telling you, really nasty.
Um, so, hold tight, Ralph.
We'll be back.
You want to talk to Ralph Sarchie, what phones are for?
Kind of an easy number to remember, right?
1952 Call Art.
I like, I always wanted one like that.
1952 Call Art.
Okay, my guest is Ralph Starchie.
He was a very close friend of Father Malachi Martin, and he continues his work in the way that he's doing it, and he's hunting the bad guys.
When I say bad guys, I mean demons, and maybe the devil.
And sometimes it really is the devil.
Ralph, is that true?
I mean, occasionally, every now and then, It's not some associated demon or lower form.
It's actually the devil.
Well, all demonic spirits always have a connection to the devil.
So he, you know, he might not be exactly the one doing the possession, but he's not far away.
So he always delegates?
Well, yeah, of course.
He's too busy doing other things.
He sends his demons out to do his work, just like God sends his angels out to do his work.
Yes.
All right.
On Skype, you're on the air with Ralph Scharchi.
Hi.
Hello.
Going once, going twice, gone.
Let's go to, it looks like Red Oak, Texas, I think.
Hello, Red Oak, Texas.
Yes, I hear you.
Okay.
My name is Andre.
I'm calling from Dallas, Texas.
Okay.
I had a couple questions for Ralph about demonic possession.
I was just wondering, are there different levels of possession?
Like, can you be possessed and not realize that you're demonically possessed?
And my other question was, it seems like in all the stories that I've heard of, the most effective weapon against demonic possession is, through the Catholic Church, is exorcism.
It tends to be the one thing that works the best, and I was just wondering why he thought that that was.
Okay, so that's two questions, really.
Question number one is, can you be in the process of being possessed and not realize it, Ralph?
There is a certain type of demon that will attack through the intellect, and I think that that is probably one of the most difficult types of cases to deal with, because it sort of refers to the question before, how do you know you're being influenced?
How do you know what's going on when you feel that it's coming from your own intellect, your own thoughts?
I actually wrote about that in one of my cases in Deliver Us From Evil, is the actual way the person was attacked made him not realize for quite some time that it was something alien from him.
Right.
And that was actually the key to the exorcism being successful.
Until he realized that, that demon would not be expelled.
Because I needed the intent and the free will of that person to expel it in order to be effective.
Second question concerns exorcism itself.
Are there other ways to do it, or is exorcism, by far and away, the most effective?
Well, you know, and I know I'm going to have some heat for this.
I was called a heretic for it already, but I believe that not only Catholics can be saved, alright?
Father Martin believed it.
Bishop McKenna believed it.
They're both my mentors, and there are some other really good priests that influenced me that believe it.
Not only Catholics can obtain heaven.
I know it says it in the Bible.
I know it says in Scripture you can only be a Catholic.
But you know what?
One of my best friends is a Lutheran, and he's a better man than I could be on any time on my best day.
He's a family man.
He goes to church every Sunday.
He treats people better than I'll ever treat people.
And how would it be for me to say, hey, you know what, bud, you ain't making it because, you know, you ain't a Catholic.
Yeah, I too have a great deal of problems with some of the things within the church.
And I, you know, I don't want to get into a debate with you, so I'm not going to bring them up.
Well, maybe I'll bring up one.
I mean, how, for example, can a child who has not been baptized and who passes for some reason or another, any reason really, not attain heaven?
I don't buy that one for a second.
I don't either, you know.
I really don't.
I look more towards God as being merciful.
You know what?
If we give him just a chance to be merciful, I'm sure he'll take that route.
But I don't want to say that, hey, you can go out and you can do all kinds of sin if you want, because that would be misleading.
Right.
And you know what?
I don't have all the answers.
Father Martin didn't have all the answers either, and he knew it.
And, you know, we can only do the best that we can.
Well, he's got them now.
What's that?
He's got them now.
Oh, yeah, he's got them now.
And I wish he'd give me some of the answers, because I could certainly use them.
And I'm sure he has been.
Right.
Do you have any view of the current Pope that you want to put on the air?
Well, you asked me a question.
I'm going to give you the truth.
I'm not going to hide.
I don't believe that this Pope is a valid Pope.
I don't recognize him as a Pope.
I am a set of a Catholic.
I am a traditional Catholic.
I am like Father Martin.
I don't believe that this man, Bergoglio, is leading the church in the direction that Jesus Christ intended us to be led.
Wow.
I had another priest on not long ago who said the same thing, and they tore him to pieces.
Well, they could tear me to pieces.
I don't care.
I'd rather have God love me than the people who are tearing me to pieces.
Trust me.
First time caller line in Tucson.
Hi.
Hello.
To tell you the truth, I am I'm a Roman Catholic priest, and I have to agree with you.
I have some questions about the current Pope, and Operation Gladio is part of that.
Anyway, we weren't taught much about demonology when I was ordained about 30 years ago, 33, and I used to have a wonderful prayer life before the Blessed Sacrament.
A fellow priest who was an alcoholic, Came in during a very, very deep meditative period, and in a terrible voice, gruff, gruff voice, I was so much at peace.
He said, Are you wrapped?
This vicious, nasty thing, it somehow got into my heart and soul before the Blessed Sacrament, and I hadn't been able to pull out of it.
This was about, oh, 25 years ago.
I've tried and tried to pray around it, pray past it, but every time I get close to our Lord and the Holy Eucharist again, to be honest, Ralph, I hear that horrible voice.
And I was wondering, because we were taught so little about demonology, sadly, I remember Father Malachi Martin speaking with Art about that back in the 1990s, that we are sadly badly trained, and it's true in the priesthood, Uh, how, would that be like an insertion, do you think, of the evil one?
How, how do we get around that?
My ministry has been superficialist.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
He's, he, he's using, he's using methods, uh, to, uh, that, that human weakness.
You know, you know when you focus on a certain sound, you try to sleep, you can't do it?
My suggestion to you would be, if you haven't done already, is to offer this suffering that you're going through right now because it's keeping you from getting close to Jesus.
Offer the suffering up to the blessed mother to give to her son to use in any manner that he wants.
And when you turn a suffering from the devil into a grace, he flees from that.
Can't stay around that.
I don't know, Father, do you pray the rosary every day?
I'm sorry, he's gone.
He got disconnected.
Not by eye.
I hope he finds me on Facebook and gets back to me.
I hope so.
I tried to pick up this person on Skype before and they weren't there.
Let's see if they are now.
Hello.
Going once.
Going twice.
And once again, gone.
And I won't pick that one up again.
Okay.
Let's go to Bloomington, I believe.
Illinois, is that right?
You got it.
Yep.
Good evening, Ralph.
Good evening.
Good evening.
Hi there.
My question is actually quite simple.
I would love to hear a really scary demon story from you.
Something that either shook your faith or convinced you that the devil is an extant, real-life Malevolent entity that exercises influence on humankind, and I can take my answer off the air.
All right.
Go ahead, Ralph.
If you have such a story, feel free to tell it.
Well, you know, I don't have one particular story.
It's been a culmination of all the things that I've seen over the years.
I mean, there's some things that stand out in my mind.
And I think it just happened to be one exorcism that I didn't actually assist at the time was during an exorcism the person's face and facial features basically and the eyes change right there on the video.
I assisted at this man's second exorcism and I can tell you that he didn't look like he looked when that first exorcism came.
I sort of showed that video to Eric Banner and Edgar Ramirez, and that was the only video that I got a chance to show them.
After that, they didn't want to see anything else.
They were done.
Okay, so pretty scary stuff.
That was it.
Yeah, that was it.
Alright, so Sumaneth, I'm sorry, I'm having trouble pronouncing that on Skype.
You're on the air.
Thank you very much.
I love your show, Art.
Thank you.
I just wanted to tell you the story from last year that I had.
I was listening to Malachi Martin talk about his experience with exorcism, and it was about 4 AM.
I went outside to have a cigarette in my backyard, and in the lemon tree in my backyard, I saw a shadow.
And I remember his advice, he had said to not show any fear.
So I turned my back and was smoking my cigarette and I asked for my cigarette and it sent me this message.
In my mind it said I could have whatever I wanted if I gave it my soul.
And so I immediately said no and his advice just moments before I had this experience was fresh in my mind.
It was basically to give it a command and not answer the demon's command.
And so essentially, I just said, get out of here.
What are you doing here?
And so on and so forth.
And I just had never had any experience like this.
It's a very, it's a very interesting experience.
And I do want to ask Ralph about it, Ralph.
First, no, no, I want to ask about this.
Does a representative of the devil actually at times, come to people and say something like, You know, make your wish, you can have anything you want, all that we want in return is your soul.
Well, you know, I haven't heard it to that degree, but that is the sum and the essence of what the contract would be, is the devil is going to give you something in return for your soul.
But what I want to get, and it's very important, is whenever you address what you might feel is a demonic spirit, you never command it in your own name.
You always command it in the name of Jesus, because we don't have authority over these beings.
Only Jesus does, and He gives us that authority in His name.
But here's the kicker.
You need to have a relationship with Jesus in order to use His name.
If you don't have it, Chances are you're going to be in some serious trouble.
You've got no protection.
OK.
All right.
Let's go to who's next.
And it looks like Denver.
Hi.
Howdy Art.
It's Mark the Amp Shark out of Aurora, Colorado.
KLZ 560.
Listening to Oh If I Get This Right.
Kilowatt, Yokohama.
I'll help you with the rest.
Nancy, well, I screwed it all up.
Yeah, you did.
You got dyslexic.
Exactly what I don't want people to do.
It's, um... Kilowatt, Nancy, Yokohama, easy.
There you go.
Sorry.
Thanks for the second swing at that, anyway.
This Ralph guy, this is a wonderful guy to listen to.
Congratulations on staying on the straight and narrow.
Normally out here, out west, The Easterners wear a little thin, they're brash and all.
How refreshingly wonderful to have such a wonderful, cut-the-baloney New Yorker to just cut through the cheese and deliver it straight up.
So thanks, Ralph.
You are a godsend.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
Two things real quick, Art.
Write this down, and I hold you personally responsible, sir.
And same with All these other nationwide shows, quote-unquote, I think you do humankind a disservice by not occasionally holding, and I know this is shaky territory here, but I still feel you are morally bound, sir, to hold occasional mass world prayer meetings.
It doesn't have to be specific.
We have to pray for good against the devil.
We have a very good chance To be overwhelmed by the devil, New World Order, and we also have a very good chance to defeat these people, so please, Art, consider that.
Thank you.
And to Ralph, my question, sir, I'm a wayward Catholic.
I had to divorce myself from the evil, what I see as the Roman Catholic Church, and I'm done, finished through with those people.
So how would you also, the one thing I can't quite squeeze into my new faith, sir, I'm not quite over the threshold on Jesus.
I think he was a definite, I'll call him a historical phenomenon.
I can't say with all of my heart that I believe that part of the story.
I lean more to the wacko side.
So here's my $64 question for Ralph.
How do you comport, sir, all this wacko stuff, which I believe a lot of, and comment, if you would, on the same RCC, Roman Catholic Church.
Also, they're watching the heavens, too.
There's UFOs, EPs out there.
I see God as part of one of these competing EPs.
I cut it simple.
I pray to the good, the good side.
And we know the Roman Catholic Church has their Lucifer telescope, and they're watching the heavens, too.
And how do you see our... I'm sorry, Ralph.
Both of you guys.
That's all.
Shut up.
I've hogged it enough.
Thank you very much for the call, and I'm not even sure what you said, but the chances of me holding a mass on here are slim and zero.
So, that's my answer to you.
Now, I think he was sort of I'll construct a question for him.
Even though what he said was somewhat disconnected, discombobulated, he did manage to get in the Lucifer telescope.
In fact, there is a telescope that they've jokingly named Lucifer, and I guess it's next to the Vatican's telescope in Arizona.
And he then started to refer to UFOs and the rest of it.
So, I wonder how the Church views the possibility of alien life, or do you not feel qualified to address that?
Well, no, I believe that the UFO phenomenon is a demonic deception.
These UFOs operate outside of the natural order instituted by God.
I don't believe that another race, another race of being created can have that much power over our physical world.
And, you know, a lot of the phenomenon that is explained by these people that deal with the UFOs is extremely similar to diabolical activity.
So the whole thing's demonic?
I would believe it's demonic because it leads us away from that thought of we are created in the image of God.
If there's another being created, then that theory is pretty much out of whack.
Okay, then.
Oh, Ralph, I've got one for you, buddy.
I've sure got one for you.
All right, then.
Let's imagine the following, Ralph.
A being comes down, representative of another world of alien beings, intelligent alien beings.
And down the ramp he walks of the spacecraft.
And we find a way to communicate with him, and he indicates that he seems like a good fella, for the most part, but Ralphie indicates that he doesn't understand the concept of God, or religion, or anything to do with anything like that.
But, you know, he's a good fella nevertheless.
You would dub that being a demonic being.
Well, at this particular point, yeah, and I know it's a hypothetical situation.
It is.
So it's a pretty tough question to answer.
I am always searching for answers.
Me too.
And I haven't gotten any answer that has proven to me that these alien beings do exist.
I haven't seen anything yet.
No, there's no sure thing yet, but I mean, other people would say the same thing about God.
That's true.
That's definitely true, and that would be a personal thing, you know, and they have the right to feel that way, and they have the right to do what they do.
I have the right to feel the way I do, and I have the right to do what I do.
You do.
Some of the religious people that I proffered that question to, Ralph, said that it could not be true, because there is one but one God for all.
So if they came down and didn't know of God, their faith would be shattered, because it just can't be.
No, no, it can't be.
And like I said, we haven't crossed that bridge yet.
And you know what?
If the time comes that we do cross that bridge, then I'm going to have to start to look at things.
But, you know, the way I feel about it and what I know and what I see, that day will never come.
OK, Max on Skype, you're on the air.
Good evening.
Good evening, gentlemen.
Ralph, I want to start off by saying that I am a I'm an ex-Christian, I'm an atheist at this time, and I find you very, very credible.
I was raised to fear this sort of thing, to not talk about it, to not think about it, lest we summon the Dark Lord himself, and I've got to say, I put it out of my mind completely, and tonight I'm thinking about it again.
You mentioned there was a video of a girl, a young girl that was fluently speaking Latin, or there was a case where there was a video of a young girl fluently speaking Latin inexplicably?
Yes.
Is there any video of that, or any recording, anything?
I have it, yes.
You do?
Would that be posted somewhere, or somewhere somebody could look at it?
I'm really interested.
No, you know what?
At this particular point, in those days, people did not want anybody to know who they were.
Confidentiality was a very, very important thing to the people that came to me for help.
In this day and age, it's a little different.
Everybody wants to seem to get on TV and to let the world know that they're suffering from diabolical activity.
Things have changed.
But, you know, I took the video.
I have it.
I gave it to Marty Stalker to incorporate into Hostess of the Devil.
Oh, really?
I don't know.
I believe that you will see footage of it.
I think that alone would sell the tape.
Holy mackerel.
It would sell it for me.
I want to see it.
Holy mackerel.
That alone makes me want to see it.
Well, you know, it's in there.
I had two DVDs that I made with VHS tapes back in the day of Father Martin giving lectures and I also sent Marty that DVD of that exorcism so he can incorporate it into the documentary.
My goodness.
And like I said, you'll be able to see that.
And Art, I'm going to send you some DVDs of the Father Martin Uh, lectures that I taped.
I'm going to send them to you uncut and unedited so you'll get the whole version and I'm working on that.
Just give me a couple more days.
Okay.
I'd love to.
Wow.
I had no idea you sent that to them.
Wow.
I'm going to get them out to you shortly.
I promise you that.
Father Martin said a couple of things.
We had, Ralph, a relationship both on and off the air.
I know you did.
And he did say some things to me that I just can't talk about.
No.
Okay.
All right.
Let's go to Little Rock, Arkansas.
Hello there.
Hello, Art.
Yes.
Oh, hang on.
Oh, hang on?
Hang on, Art.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I had my speaker phone on and I forgot to put it up to my ear when I turned the speaker off.
I see.
Okay, what I was calling about, oh, I'm listening on KXL on the telephone.
KXL on the telephone, okay.
You know, the telephone number.
Okay, oh, oh, oh, the free listen number, yes, okay.
Yes.
I wanted to speak to your guest, Ralph, about, he named the two levels that he knew of, but didn't know of anything else.
which is also the level of the saints.
You know, the people who have invited Jesus, and you have to invite him to live in your heart
and believe in him.
He won't come in unless you invite him.
And that's the saints.
That's another level, the believers.
Okay, well, you know what?
I'm learning.
And I would have to say that maybe, you know, the first level, the close level to the beatific face of
God would be the martyrs.
The next would be the people who lived a chaste and virtuous life.
And I would have to say that the next level would be the person who led a humble life, a life of humility, because the sin of the devil is the sin of pride.
So the virtue of humility would be right up there.
And that's the virtue that the Blessed Mother had.
That set her up to be the exact opposite of what Lucifer was, the author of Pride.
The Blessed Mother, her virtue was humility.
So... I agree.
I would have to say that maybe that next level would be for people that lived a humble life.
I don't know.
I agree.
I don't know.
I'm on the journey.
I'm learning.
Right.
I don't know what the next level is, but that's one of the levels, you know.
Well, Dia, the best way to do that is to pray and ask God to give you the answers to the questions that you're asking for, and I'm sure He'll answer you.
Okay.
Well, good luck with that.
You know, sometimes I think God either doesn't answer or says no.
You don't always get a yes.
The way I look at it, that is, if he doesn't answer and he says no, it's because it's not good for you.
Okay.
Larry on Skype.
Very quickly, you're on the air.
Yes, hi.
I just wanted to say that I'm so happy to hear somebody on the radio tell the truth about the demonic UFO deception that is being propagated on the whole world.
And you've got to be blind not to see it all these years.
Really?
Being programmed with movies and whatnot.
And I just wanted to say, God bless you for that, brother.
Everyone needs to know because it will be too late.
If it's, in other words, if it's E.T.
or E.T.
related, it's demonic.
That's it.
That's what I believe.
And I believe your guest is saying the same thing.
Ralph?
I am.
I am.
At this point, yes, that's what the evidence proves to me.
God bless you, brother, and bless everyone that hears this.
Can I ask both of you why that is?
Why would anything ET have to be demonic?
I'm sorry, I'm not in the same camp with you, but I do want to understand what you two are saying.
Well, it's biblical.
You know, there's going to be a deception brought upon the whole world.
And what wouldn't be the most perfect deception is something that would grab everybody.
Well now, but now this is... The aliens are coming to answer your prayers.
Wait a minute.
They're going to save us.
It's an artificial savior.
We have a savior.
Jesus Christ!
Okay, but this is a hypothesis on your part, right?
You're hypothesizing that they would be evil.
It does say there'll be a deception.
It doesn't say exactly what it's going to be, though!
Right.
What else would be?
This has come to me.
I believe... Okay, I can't argue with that.
The Spirit has told me this.
So I'm just trying to pass the message on, lest anybody be deceived.
I'm not going to argue with anybody's faith.
Okay, thanks guys.
Right, thank you.
You have a good night.
So... You know, it's a tough question, Art.
It really is.
And like I said, I don't have all the answers.
I wish Father Martin was here.
Oh, me too.
He would probably answer that question a heck of a lot better and in greater detail than I can.
Well, I've frequently said that if E.T.
ever shows up, walks down the ramp, he'll be so full of lead by the time he hits the bottom that... Let's take a break, Ralph.
Dark Matter Network News, this is Amy Martin.
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Somebody really is going to have to help me out.
I'm telling you, I had a couple of priests on here who, frankly, carry pretty much the same view as Father Malachi would, and as Ralph Sarchie does.
Those two priests were pretty much slaughtered in email, and the wormhole was not real kind.
But Father Malachi Martin was received warmly, as Ralph Sargey is being received very warmly.
So there is something about the nature of the universe, as regards talk shows, that I don't get.
That's just the way it is.
Ralph, welcome back.
Thank you, Art.
There are still mysteries, I guess, for me to discover, Ralph.
All right, here's a fellow who tried to get on twice, and I told him, you know, he didn't answer both times.
You're on the air now, so speak.
Art Bell, my hero.
Thank you so much for letting me be on the air.
What happened the first two times?
I have like four devices going at once.
I have earphones going into the... Okay, I don't need to know.
You know how to get on now the right way, right?
Yes, sir.
Thank you so much.
Proceed.
Okay.
My question for your guest, and what a wonderful show this has been and the entire season has been for you, Art.
Thank you.
The question is, and I've emailed you about this, Art, is Is it possible for someone who may have, in a moment of weakness, made a deal with Satan to revoke that deal?
A really good question, actually.
So, see, it was worth getting through.
Ralph, is it possible?
What a good question.
If you've made a deal with the devil, and, oh, I don't know, you're beginning to reap the benefits, whether that would be the woman of your Dreams or the riches that you dreamed of or I don't know whatever the deal you made Can you revoke the deal?
Most certainly with the intention you need to have the intention and if if you saw the first episode of the demon files, that's exactly what happened the girl made a pact with the devil when she was 13 and Um, after I did the investigation, did the interview, I asked her, do you feel that you made a mistake?
And she says, Oh yeah.
And I says, do you feel if you could, would you take those words back?
And she said, yeah.
And I said, okay, we're going to help you with that.
We have prayers for that.
Well, you know, I would have said, I didn't think that a person could revoke such a deal.
Sure.
You can revoke the deal that God made with you, so why couldn't you reverse it and revoke the deal that the devil made?
You know, we can do these things, but we still have to atone for these sins that we commit.
So, you know, the less you commit, the better it would be for you.
But not all is lost.
As long as you're still breathing, you can always change everything that you've done.
You can undo it.
See, I've got to be honest with you, Ralph.
That's another problem I've had with the church.
That you can undo it.
I mean, no matter how bad, no matter how mortal the sin, you can undo it.
And, I don't know.
I don't know, Ralph.
Let's go to the following.
We can't answer this one.
You can't answer this one.
I don't think you can anyway.
Oh, I could try.
Really?
All right.
Well, go ahead and try.
Hold on a second.
Just because we commit a sin, Jesus tells us, come to me and ask for my forgiveness and truly be sorry and I'll forgive you for your sins.
That happens.
We receive absolution as far as Catholics are concerned.
We do penance to atone for that sin.
But at the end, there is still a temporal punishment that goes along with that sin.
You still have to pay for that.
It's not as simple as you might think that I could just say these words and say, hey listen, Yeah, I want to be forgiven.
There is a lot more to it than that.
That's about all I can tell you.
Alright, caller.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Yes, good evening.
Mr. Bell?
Yes, sir.
Oh yes, thank you for having me.
It's an honor to be on the phone with Mr. Search and Yourself.
And I first want to say I am honored.
I just finished listening to on YouTube the entire series for a second time with yourself and Father Martin from the 90s.
And I just wanted to say thank you.
Absolutely incredible.
I am a New York forensic psychologist.
I have two constructs called dark psychology and now the information age dark side of human consciousness construct called I predator which is actually by the grace of God is now being accepted by national universities.
My question is essentially for the two of you related to what we would say is evil or from my forensic world can also be a psychopath.
My question is, I'm getting more and more calls because I know people are being cyberstalked, online sexual predators, cybercrime, so forth and so on.
The question for the two of you, do you feel that cyberspace and everything that's going on is actually accelerating, whether you want to say evil or nefarious activities, because from where I'm coming from, Slowly but surely, the calls that I'm getting, I'm getting calls from folks of the cloth, asking me, Dr. Nuccitelli, you know, does evil exist in cyberspace?
And I can't answer that question.
I am open to both evil, as well as from a criminal justice standpoint, the pristine psychopath.
So my question is, do you feel cyberspace is accelerating at all?
Yeah, I personally blame most stuff on Microsoft.
But, Ralph, what do you think?
Well, you know, I look at it this way.
With the technology, like I mentioned earlier in the program, the information that's available to people now is a lot greater than, you know, when we were growing up, you had to go to the library and look up for a book to find out what you need.
Now all you have to do is press a button and do a little typing.
But, you know, you see, you can use the Internet and cyberspace for evil, but you can also use it to look up, you know, Our Lady of Fatima to find out about that.
There you go.
Use the Internet to look up a saint that you just heard about.
And in the same vein, you could go on the Internet and you could look at porn and you could ruin your soul.
It's how you use it.
You really think porn would ruin your soul?
Oh, well, yeah, I do.
Unfortunately, yeah, it's the case.
Okay.
Well, I'm not a porn nut, but I've seen it.
Yeah, I've seen it too, but what I'm talking about, I'm not talking about just seeing it.
I'm talking about interacting with it.
You know what I mean?
Oh, that's ugly.
All right, let's go to the... Okay, it's a family show, so I don't want to go there.
Oh, absolutely.
Okay, so on Skype, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
How are you doing?
I'm well.
A little differently than when I began the show.
Go ahead.
It's a great show tonight.
It is.
A lot better than what the Monday night football game ended up being.
Don't tell me the results of that.
Anyway, I've got a question for both you and Ralph.
Ralph, having been a good friend of Father Malachi Martin's.
Yes.
What happened to Kathleen Keating?
Does anybody know what happened to her?
Not me.
She disappeared.
She passed away.
Did she pass away?
That's what I heard.
I'm not 100% sure.
That would seem likely, Caller, because I haven't heard a word about her.
People keep asking and I can't find a thing.
Okay?
And I had one other question.
Ralph, have you ever investigated Benjamin Crimm?
And that person that supposedly he represents the Maitreya.
Okay.
No, you know what?
I handle cases when people come to me with a problem.
I try not to go out and look for things on my own.
That sort of puts and leads me into danger.
I just wait for God to send me who he wants me to deal with.
Enough comes to you as it is, more than you can handle.
Edmonton is on the line.
Hi.
Going once.
Yes, hello.
Hello.
Yes, hi.
Hello.
Hello again.
You can hear me?
Yes.
If I couldn't hear you, I wouldn't say hello back.
Oh, I'm sorry.
All right.
I have a question for Ralph with regards to his demonic... I guess he's got a talent for recognizing the demonic spirit.
Yes.
What I'm wondering is, in a person who may be possessed with some form of a spirit, Would they be at all obligated to offer up, say, gifts to the devil that they made the deal with?
That would be, say, hair or parts of another human being, like maybe skin, cutting them up like unbeknownst to them and stuff like that.
Would that be something that someone possessed might do to another person?
You mean like a sacrifice?
Well, just offerings that would be given that someone would be taking.
The gift that a person would be giving the devil is the soul, because it doesn't belong to him.
Right.
It belongs to God, so it would be a gift.
But that's impossible to take someone's soul if they're a child of God.
You cannot take somebody else's soul and give it away.
No, you cannot.
It belongs to God and it belongs to the person.
Right.
Right, but would they be obligated to actually give offerings from another human, is what I'm asking.
I had an experience where I was dating someone and they started to, you know, remove triangular pieces of my, off my back and stuff like that.
You know, I quit dating and I thought it was a little odd, right?
Good!
Yeah, well, taking, what do you mean, triangular pieces off your back, your skin?
Yeah, like pieces of my skin, pieces of my hair.
At one point he made me like a little gift bag with some buttons.
Very bad example of a paranormal date.
Yikes.
Well, you know what?
They use these objects because they feel they use it in the spells because it contains your essence.
It contains your energy, so... Okay, so it would be paranormal.
That would be considered paranormal.
A triangle out of your back?
My God.
That would be considered preternatural as far as I'm concerned, not paranormal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the devil.
Okay, Skype, that's all right.
Bill, it's still your turn.
I'll answer.
Respect and kindness.
I'm an atheist.
And I have a good friend who is a Christian, and when it comes down to it, we don't argue the faith like what you just told him.
So I think that's why he's received, like Father was received, and you know, with warmth, is kindness and respect.
Well, you could be absolutely right.
I'm going to have to sit down and think about this really, really hard, because the last two priests I had on were very conservative in the church.
I myself, I'm sorry.
I myself cannot believe that out of the size of our universe that we're alone and that they wouldn't have other views too.
And I'd be very interested in hearing those views.
I don't want to think they're coming to save us.
I think they would help us, you know, grow.
But when the truth comes down to it, none of us know.
Well, let me ask you a question.
In our lifetime, in this world, you know, whenever somebody has ever visited another country, they usually, it was a conquest, and they were taking it from them.
If we were going to be visited by any kind of alien life, if it does exist, they're coming here to take us over, not to make nicey-nicey.
They're not going to need it.
They're more advanced than us.
They're going to wipe us out.
Well, just like you said, in my opinion, they don't need to do that.
And you're absolutely right.
Everything has been a conquest from what we've witnessed here on our planet.
But however, like the one that we think might be 15, 14, 180 light years away, they obviously don't need whatever we have.
That's saying if it is an alien structure, we don't know.
Right.
All right.
But anyway, I just wanted to do that.
I know we're coming to the end of the show.
Thank you, Art Roswells, and I'm receiving you very warmly, even though, like I said, I'm an atheist.
Thank you very much for the show, and I do respect you.
God bless you.
Indeed.
Next caller, wherever you are, you're on the air.
Hello there.
Hello?
Yes, hello.
I just wanted to say that it's a very interesting show you're having tonight.
It is, actually, yes.
And I wanted to ask him one question.
It's very obvious, I think he hit right on it when he was talking about the UFOs and stuff.
Somebody said it this way.
Living symbols.
So, I guess it basically comes down to, I myself, I'm in like a 12-step program.
I try going to church as much as I possibly can, but I realized halfway going through the 12-step program, I couldn't even say the name Jesus.
I knew at that point that there was definitely something starting to, I mean, I was spiritually starting to have some kind of growth and realized that a lot more peace came back in my life.
But I think everybody deals with demonic influence.
I think so.
All right, we're so short on time here.
Ralph, do you have anything to comment?
No.
I think I'm all talked out, Art, unless you have something to hex me.
Um, no, I've got tons of calls.
I mean, so many.
You're on the air with Ralph Sarchie.
Hi.
Hi, Midnight Writer Joe here for Art and Ralph.
I'm wondering if all the demons that you've encountered have been, are they Catholic demons?
Or are all demons responsive to your Catholicism?
Catholic demons, Ralph.
Well, demonic spirits respond to the name of Jesus Christ, and they respond to the Blessed Mother, and they respond to the saints, and they respond to the sacramentals that we utilize.
Well, you know, Protestants have authority over the devil also, in Jesus' name.
As long as they have a relationship with Jesus, and they're treating their neighbor kindly, those are the two things that God asks, Jesus asks us to do, is to love God and love one another.
If you do that, you pretty much got it, you know, down pat.
Well, thank you.
Thank you, Rob.
You're very welcome.
Here's somebody from Beverly Hills, California, trying to squeeze through the eye of a needle and my phone line.
Hi.
Hello?
Hello?
Yes.
Hi.
Oh, hi.
Yes, I have someone here, the ghost of Ronald Reagan, who'd like to ask a question.
The ghost of Ronald Reagan?
Well, this is the ghost of Ronald Reagan.
And as a matter of fact, I was listening and earlier you said this woman began speaking a foreign language she didn't understand.
I concluded from this information that if Hillary Clinton should suddenly begin to speak the truth, We know she's possessed, since honesty is a language that is completely foreign to her.
You know, God bless you for ending the show on a really, really high note like that.
Ralph, it's been a pleasure having you on, buddy.
Thank you very much.
We'll do it again one time.
I'd love that.
Thank you all.
You have a good night.
Good night, my friend.
Good night.
I'm going to end this with a true puzzle myself.
I'm not kidding you.
I had two priests on.
They were torn up one side and down another.
And they had essentially the same views as Ralph Zarchi and Father Malachi Martin.
So I'm gonna go home and scratch my head for a while on this.
from the high desert to all 25 time zones out there good night
so um
now midnight in the desert and there's wisdom in the air
i've been looking for the answers all my life i've found you there
As the world we live in begins I'll be heeding all the signs Have we lost our intuition?
Are we running out of time?
Midnight in the desert And we're listening Ooh, we're listening And we're listening
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