Gregory Paxson, with 13,000+ past-life regressions since 1977, reveals how sessions—like a 72-year-old woman quitting smoking after uncovering its roots—resolve trauma by accessing soul energy, not genetics. Rare cases show clients speaking lost languages (e.g., ancient Chinese) or recalling astral dimensions with non-human traits, like six-fingered beings or parallel lives tied to an "over-soul." He dismisses abduction support groups’ focus on lingering distress, instead disrupting interdimensional entities to halt abductions. Paxson’s work suggests consciousness spans lifetimes and realms, challenging linear perceptions of identity and healing. [Automatically generated summary]
It was going to be just Abby, but Abby Normal did seem more appropriate.
Anyway, I turned my left to get a camera to take a picture, and of course she was gone when I turned back around.
But why would a little mouse stare, come right up that close to a human being, a much bigger animal, and just sit there and stare?
It really creeped me out.
And then, of course, the guest I had started talking about in her house she had, and by the way, I checked with my producer on this.
She didn't just cook this up.
It was just a couple of minutes later she said, yes, we had rats that would hang upside down and stare at us when we went in the room.
And I went, oh, God.
And I checked with my producer, and Heather said, oh, yeah, she covered the rats staring at her in the pre-show talk.
So it was real.
I guess she just had to choose that moment.
Odd stuff.
And then that was followed by, and I don't think there was any relationship whatsoever, because everybody will call that, I know.
But last night, went home, talked with my producer, we always do after the show, read a little bit of a brand new book I've got, and went to bed.
And I did not get to sleep.
Now, I would normally go to bed at 3 or 4 in the morning, and I would sleep till 12 or 1 in the afternoon.
That's my day.
So sleep didn't come.
I mean, I did a lot.
I did melatonin.
I did some over-the-counter sleep stuff that just makes you feel sleepy, 5 milligrams of valium.
I tried it all.
I didn't sleep.
And finally, by 11 o'clock this morning, I woke up, woke up the wrong word, gave up is the right word, and said, hell with this.
I'm obviously not going to sleep.
I should have done it a long time ago.
But instead, I, you know, turned this way and turned that way.
You know how that goes.
And so I had aches and pains from turning around all night.
So up at 11, hadn't had one minute of sleep.
And I thought, I'm doomed for tonight.
I'll never be here.
Fortunately, I had about a three-hour nap this afternoon, which will probably screw me up totally for tonight.
I'm hoping tonight I sleep.
Normally I do, you know.
It's really strange.
Nothing was on my mind.
Nothing bugging me.
None of that.
Just body didn't want to sleep.
Absolutely did not want to fall into a sleep state.
NASA has made an announcement, a big one too, or maybe not so big, really.
I guess we all knew this.
NASA's Mars-orbiting MAVEN spacecraft has discovered that the Sun likely robbed the red planet of its once thick atmosphere and water on about 100 grams.
It takes about 100 grams of atmospheric gas every second.
That would be about a quarter pound a second.
Actually, a quarter pound, really?
A quarter pound a second goes out.
That's a fair amount, right?
Of charged particles shooting away from the sun, about a million miles per hour, 1.61 million kilometers per hour, if you care.
Now, big solar storms traveling at twice that speed increase the escape rate of the atmosphere 10 to 20 times and more because of their prevalence.
Ancient Mars was once like Earth.
It was a basically moist, warm place, capable of microscopic life to the old, dry desert of today.
So the sun ruined Mars, is what NASA is saying.
I don't think any of us are surprised by that.
Was there once a civilization there?
We don't know.
No, we have no idea.
And one more word about Abby Normal, my house mouse.
I now have on the same piece of equipment where Abby Normal came last night and sat and stared at me in a sort of otherworldly way, I've got a piece of bread with peanut butter on it, and I'm wafting the scent of the peanut butter toward the back of the room.
For all I know, Abby could be in another room by now.
But I'm going to be watching all night.
I was tempted to have a mouse cam, but staring at something for several hours waiting for a mouse is just plain stupid.
So if she comes, I'll attempt a picture again.
Five days after a Russian jetliner broke apart high above Sinai, Russia and Egypt on Thursday dismissed Western suggestions that a terrorist bomb may have caused the crash that killed 224 people.
And I told you yesterday I went through it.
CNN said crash, crash, crash, when we would normally say don't speculate until we know.
But they sure are still doing it today.
New scientific analysis shows the fingerprints of man-made climate change on 14 extreme weather events in 2014.
I know a lot of you are going, oh, come on, not this again.
From the AP hitting every continent but Antarctica across the world, they looked at 28 strange weather conditions last year to see if global warming could be the villain.
And it turns out that, yes, they say climate change fingerprints on Hawaii's tropical cyclones.
Remember those?
The heat in Argentina that killed so many, Europe, South Korea, China, and repeatedly, of course, in Australia where it really, really, really was hot.
Now, tonight, this is going to be a very, very interesting program.
My guest is Gregory Patson.
And I think it's a show about reincarnation.
It almost has to be.
It's a show about past life regression.
Gregory began his practice in past life regression in Chicago of 1977.
Over the last 38 years, he has conducted over 13,000 past life regressions with 3,500 clients.
His goal has been reducing pain, confusion, and raising the quality of life of his clients.
In other words, he helps people.
The past life regressions, guided with care for clarity and objectivity, have yielded a substantial, as you can imagine, body of research, this many, right?
Greg holds the conviction that our human nature is naturally able to retrieve skills, ability, and wisdom from past lives.
Now, this is going to be particularly interesting because I don't see how you can talk about regression into a past life without talking about reincarnation, which is something that has fascinated me for a long time.
So coming up in a moment, Gregory Patson, Past Life Regressions, and I say reincarnation.
We'll see what he says.
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Facts phone actually goes right to my soul, I think.
And the story of the doctor taking somebody back through hypnosis of one form or another to the source of a symptomatic problem that usually just as they've been treating it for a while and they're not getting anywhere.
And somebody starts describing a scene that's taking place clearly in some other time, in some other place, and they have this experience of they have a patient talking about a past incarnation, talking about a past life, and whether the doctor likes it or not, after that session is over, the patient's big problem seems to go away.
And that story is kind of a, I think the term is a chestnut, famously described by Brian Weiss in Many Lives, Many Masters, also by an old teacher of mine, Dr. Helen Wambach, who wrote Past Lives,
The Evidence Under Hypnosis, published back in the 70s, Morris Netherton, another early past life regression therapist, and any number of other authors who describe that phenomena almost as though the fact that they're doctors in the first place, they didn't believe in it in the second place, and they happened to do this by accident in the third place makes the story credible.
And reincarnation as a way of seeing life, I don't much care for the word belief, is common to most of the population of the world who are Hindus, who are Buddhists, who are Inuit or Eskimos.
Most of the cultures throughout human history have included reincarnation in their idea of how life works.
So the truth is, numerically, we are, meaning in the West here, maybe in the U.S., a few other parts of the world, we're actually in a minority, numbers-wise, regarding belief.
Yes, I don't know that that means anything, but actually in mystical Christianity, in mystical Judaism, we call it Kabbalah, in mystical Islam, for example, the Sufis, all hold the belief in reincarnation.
And I have looked at the process, and no matter what it is, whether it's a license, a certification as a hypnotist or a license as a psychotherapist, which in my state in Illinois was not necessary until 1998.
Illinois was the last free state for free-thinking therapists.
When I chose to spend my life doing past-life regression, at least in Chicago back in 77, people weren't exactly pounding on my door asking me to regress them.
But I had this conviction, going back to my 20s, that there was a way for people in pain to feel better faster than the kind of ordinary therapy that I'd been going through.
As a being, you know, what is the nature of my existence and what is it for?
Well, first, my first question was, is my being for anything in particular?
You know, an existentialist, which I guess I was at the time, would say that life is absurd.
And we find purpose by saying, nevertheless, I shall live as fully as possible.
And once a person goes through that passage, then they're actually prepared to consider something bigger because they've freed themselves from whatever religious programming they might have grown up with.
And my experiences in church are mostly funerals and weddings.
And a few curiosities.
You know, I attended high mass at Christmas with a relative who had to show up.
And that was fascinating.
I mean, as a hypnotist watching this process, you know, with the swinging scepter and the incense and the call and response with the congregation in which people are repeating the words, I am a sinner.
And, you know, the most powerful form of suggestion is not hypnotic trance.
I mean, any religious process, because religion is a social process, that has to be bound together and held together as a social organism if it's going to succeed to continue through the generations and have real substance.
And it has a lot of value for people because people need a social connection around something that joins them together no matter what their station in life is.
Before we get into the questions, just to wrap up what I was talking about before the break, in remembering how to ski from a past life, something that is really improbable for me, it awakened me to the idea that it's possible for human beings to remember skills and abilities from past lives and use them in their current life, pretty much like a download.
So by the time I got back to Chicago, I really had to know, and I started regressing volunteers or asking people to get regressed.
But the first time I remember being really shocked involved a regression with a young guy, probably in his middle 20s.
The bottom two levels are positive and negative hallucination.
A positive hallucination is if I suggest to you that someone is sitting in the chair across from you, and you're really glad to see them, and you're having a conversation, and you will have a conversation with an empty chair.
A negative hallucination, which I experimented with in my training, I was able to suggest to a lovely young woman that she was looking over at the chair across from her and thought it would be, and saw that it was empty, and it would be a lot more comfortable than the one she was sitting in.
And then she came and sat on my lap like nothing was happening.
So a negative hallucination is when you are, the suggestion is that you will not see something that is in front of you.
And after she was out of trance, I asked her about it, and she said, well, you know, I kind of knew you were there, but the suggestion seemed more appealing to me than anything else.
So I sat down in the chair, and your lap was kind of in the way.
You know, this may sound strange to you, but I found some of the easiest clients to work with were the military officers and retired military officers I've worked with.
Men who commanded men in battle, who sent men into battle knowing that some of them wouldn't come back.
One of them was a three-star general who had flown fighter planes in three Wars and had been the guy who carried the football for the president for some time.
Okay, well, these men have established their strength in a way that they can follow instructions, which is all it takes to go into trance, and are completely, I mean, they've proved everything that a man could prove.
They have nothing left to prove, and they're completely open.
They're some of the most wonderful people for me to work with I've ever worked with, and it blows every stereotype that people have in their heads.
So has it come to the point, Gregory, where you can say without question, you've done Tens of thousands of these things that reincarnation is the real thing.
The things I've seen happen with my clients in their lives as a result of the regressions, as well as in the sessions themselves, are simply not conceivably possible by any other means.
All right, so is it necessary really to take people back to prior lives, Gregory, to stop them from smoking or aid them with some pain they have or some habit they want to get rid of or something like that?
I wouldn't think it would be that you can use post-hypnotic suggestion to help a lot of things in the current life, right?
I don't work with people on smoking issues because I smoke and I'm very fond of it.
However, a rather interesting woman of about 72, still working, a real firecracker of a woman, mentioned to me when she came for regressions that her dentist insisted she stop smoking because it was affecting her gum.
So of course, she said, I love smoking.
I don't want to stop smoking.
Maybe you could give me some suggestion.
I said, well, no, I don't do that.
We did a couple of regressions, and she did them just fine.
And then the last one, I suggested that I direct her to go back to the point of origin of her desire to smoke.
And she said, okay.
And we did a regression.
It was so undramatic, I don't remember anything from it.
However, I talked to her the next day, and she said she left my office, walked out the door, lit a cigarette, and said, well, I guess that didn't work.
The next time she thought of a cigarette was many hours later, as she was about to go to bed, she realized she hadn't had a cigarette since.
Over the next year, I checked in on her, and she had not had a cigarette.
She said a lot of her friends smoke, and she's around smoke, but she just doesn't want one anymore.
And two years later, the same thing was true.
She said she did keep a pack around just in case, but it had gotten pretty stale over the last two years.
Now, I didn't give her any suggestions.
She just experienced what it was that energized that desire to smoke.
It was something from a past life.
And once it was gone, once she'd seen it and completed it, the desire went away.
And I never gave her a suggestion about smoking at all.
But it illustrates a deeper point.
When people can go back to the point of origin of the issue, it changes their relationship to the issue in a way that they no longer identify with it, they don't carry it inside anymore, and it goes away.
I'm after a spontaneous feeling or restoration of their well-being, if I can put it that way, through the process itself without adding any of my own ideas or preferences or notions or any kind of suggestion at all.
Because if the work is really honest, if it really hits the bullseye, that's all it takes.
And one way I know I hit the bullseye with the session is that the next time I talk to the client, the issue's gone.
Although, you know, I do an initial interview with the client, which is about an hour long, so I can get a medical history, personal history, do a family diagram, look at their astrological chart, get to know them, and find out why'd you come to see me?
It's also their opportunity to discover that they think they want to do hypnosis with me or not.
So that at the end of that first meeting, they have a choice of, yes, go ahead, no, I don't want to, or go home and think about it.
Well, it smacks of, well, that or, you know, psychological is sort of a present-time view of a karmic situation.
Now, the word karma is kicked around an awful lot, but I define it simply as unfinished business.
So it could be karma in this life.
I mean, unfinished business is the bill you haven't paid, but it's also something that happened in a past life, a decision or declaration you made in a past life, or something that you did or failed to do, or something somebody else did or you did to them, all kinds of ideas of something that was left unfinished that we pick up again in another lifetime.
And it will present itself in some usually pretty ordinary way in our life.
So, an amazing guy with a real, very serious wealth of knowledge about, well, past lives and, of course, reincarnation.
And we're talking with him, and the word karma came up.
Now, to me, karma has always meant, you know, you screw somebody over, you do wrong to somebody, and it's going to come back and bite you right in the butt.
Something's going to happen to you.
Simple explanation of karma.
More complicated, somebody did it in a past life of yours, and it's biting you in the butt.
I mean, butt biting will definitely get you a problem later if it doesn't get you one real quick.
But at any rate, you know, it includes things a lot more complex.
It even includes, and this is a really interesting part, it includes the soul path.
Souls will choose a path for their spiritual evolution, their development, their growth.
For example, if someone chooses the path of engineering and you've worked on the ancient pyramids and you worked on the cathedrals, the medieval cathedrals of Europe, and you worked on the Brooklyn Bridge and you worked on the NASA Space Project, your capability in consciousness has increased every time.
Okay, well, here's what I think doesn't show up rather frequently.
Okay.
You know, if a lot of people who are sort of media-oriented in past lives and that sort of thing, inevitably, you know, somebody comes back and said, well, you were, oh, I don't know, Henry VIII, or you were somebody inevitably famous.
Well, the real truth would be, and you've done, you know, so many tens of thousands of these, that more times than not, you must come back as a rather average individual, not a king or not a great conqueror or somebody famous, right?
And what's true is through most of our lifetimes, back to reincarnation, if you like, we were illiterate.
What we knew was what we learned from the other people in the village.
And we might have traveled, you know, 10 miles from the place where we grew up in the course of our lives.
How much could we possibly know?
And of course, some of the decisions we would make would not work very well, and we would create some karma out of that, you know, uninformed decision.
We just didn't know any better.
We didn't have any other choices of what to think about.
It seems to me that if you did past life regressions, if you had the desire to do it, you could obtain details from this person about that life, some sort of detail that could be looked up and proven.
That's often the case for clients who care to do it.
Really?
I think one of the person I did the most aggressions with, and I think we did 42 over the course of some years, was a young woman who was a lawyer who had been remembering flashes from past lives since she was about five.
She was an extraordinarily brilliant human being.
And after each of our sessions, she would go to Newberry Library, which is a private history research library in Chicago.
And she'd come back to our next appointment with three to five pages of detailed notes that she had checked out from her previous regression.
And some of this is strange things like she was a sheriff, a tax collector in around the year 1,200, which she discovered in her research was a time when they changed bookkeeping systems throughout Europe.
And the only people who really had to keep books were tax collectors because, you know, the Duke that she worked for, or he worked for, definitely wanted to collect his due.
Got it.
But, you know, things that you would never think of, and I just cite that as an example.
I mean, you could study a lot of history and not know that bookkeeping systems changed around the year 1200 AD.
So she did this, you know, many, many, many times.
Other clients have investigated things on their own, checked things on a map.
I had one woman tell me that she and her man came to a workshop, a regression workshop, where I regress a group of people all at once and had gone out and found the cemetery where this past incarnation has been buried and found the gravestone.
You know, I could tell you stories like that for the rest of two hours.
Yes, and this may sound odd, but there are two ways I can tell, and I use both of them.
Part of it is because the way I guide the regression is I ask questions that are as neutral as possible so that I avoid suggesting an answer.
I ask people to focus on what they can see and feel.
So they're describing things, describing their clothing, describing their surroundings, describing the next scene when we move forward in time.
When people start making it up, they go from nouns to verbs.
In other words, instead of describing the physical surroundings as a sort of a basis, a grounding for their regression, they start talking about, well, I did this, and then I did this, and then I did this.
And they shift, basically, from describing things to telling a story without any physical matter in it.
I can hear the ease of control in your voice as you speak, and so I can understand how you're able to do what you do.
Very interesting.
Okay, so these past life memories, A very important point.
Are these memories that are somehow being passed genetically forward?
Because, I mean, at birth it's a brand new brain, or is it?
I mean, is there something that's stored in that brain from a previous life that you just don't, you know, kind of like a, I don't know, part of a disk drive that you don't access or something?
Well, I know it's not genetic because from one lifetime to another, people move from one race to another, one gender to another, one country to somewhere across the world.
So it can't be genetic.
As for the new brain, we all get a new brain every time we get born.
But that gets into the question of, is there a mind, a non-physical mind, as well as a brain?
Do we have non-physical parts?
I say we do.
We have a physical body, an etheric body, an astral body, a mental body, and that's just the three lower bodies, really.
And then there's the causal, soul, and spirit body.
So these other elements of our being, the same ones that leave our bodies when we die, and we can get to that conversation later, arrive in our body around just before we're born.
So there's a consciousness there in this brand new brain that has a lot more information in it, encoded in it, than the brain could possibly have.
If I may, if you think of the soul energy, which is like a ball of light, but it's like contains a lot of information, could be thought of as the hard drive that lands in the body.
Only if we open up the channels to be able to hear it.
And that's where past life aggression opens up that conversation with the soul.
The soul generally introduces us to the knowledge of earlier lifetimes.
It allows us to describe the experience of dying and where we go after we die, which connects us back up to where the soul came from before we were born.
May I ask a question Now, when you're taking somebody back, Gregory, do you take them back slowly?
I mean, take me as an example.
I'm 70, right?
So you would have, I would think that you would have to work me back then through my childhood and through my formative years, and then I suppose I'm sucking on a bottle or something or another, and then pop, I'm somewhere else.
I'm reminded of a client who told me she'd been to two or three regressionists before she came to me and had no success.
And I did the usual thing after I met her with her initially and gave her a recorded hypnotic induction to practice with.
I made it particularly for people to practice relaxing and going into trance and waking up again so that you get familiar with it.
Look, being hypnotized is like learning how to meditate.
It's something you get better at with practice.
It's intentional.
If you want to be hypnotized, you can learn how to do it.
And for some people, that's a lot more comfortable because when you're listening to a recording, there's no ego competition or issues if you're too strong or too strong-minded or something like that, because that's ridiculous if you're arguing with a recording in your own mind.
Then before the first regression, I spend probably an hour talking to people, getting them kind of calmed down and getting over their excitement and or fear and actually trying to bore them to the point where they're ready to be requested.
But also, I'm telling them very specifically, I'm going to do these things, and this is how I want you to respond to that.
When I ask you a question, just tell me the first thing that comes into your head.
If you start editing, things will stop coming into your head.
But the idea is if people are prepared properly, and so this woman who'd been to three regressionists and couldn't get regressed, and I did the first regression with her, and she did fine.
It was strange and wonderful, but she did great.
And after the session was over, she remarked to me that nobody else had done the kind of preparation with her that I'd done.
So that makes a difference.
You know, a lot of elements make a difference.
Preparation is one.
The quality of the personality and character of the person who's guiding the regression is really important.
And one of the hardest things for people to learn if they're guiding regressions is how to ask questions that avoid suggestion.
Questions that, because people in trance hear the language a little differently.
So if I'm guiding you through a regression and you've described your body and your clothing and some other things that I've asked you, at some point I would want to ask you what your name is.
I would not say, what's your name?
I would say, what would you like me to call you?
I wouldn't ask how old you are.
I'd say, how many years do you have?
People can respond easily to those questions, whereas what's your name or how old are you has an element of challenge in it that has just a little sandpaper to it that I want to get around.
I mean, it took me a couple of years at least to realize that that really, any feeling of judgment, and people are really sensitive to that, has to be gone from me.
When you've got somebody under and you take them through the tunnel, I think you said, or whatever, and they're suddenly in another life, how can you know, I mean, at what point in this other life are you likely to end up?
Do they frequently, Gregory, arrive at the appropriate place.
And by that I mean, you know, they came to you for a reason.
So if there is another life they're going to go in, does their own mind or the other or the previous life guide that person when you take them under and take them through to about the right place to deal with the reason that they came to you?
Now, I think any therapist would tell you, when people have a problem they want to address and they want to get over, basically, they want it out over their life, or at least calm it down a lot, there's a certain inner resistance to actually meeting up with it.
So it's a combination of a desire to confront it and an inner motivation to, to some degree, avoid it.
But more than that, I want to get a story of the person's life a bit so there's some context.
So when the man stands over his wife's grave and says, I'll never love another woman again, it's important to know that he's an old woodsman.
When his wife dies, he has, you know, he lives in poverty.
He's old and doesn't look very pretty.
And when he says he's never going to love another woman again, it makes a lot of sense.
Chances are very, very slight he would do that.
So my client who has had an inexplicable inability to have a relationship with a woman that lasted, well, that's where that declaration will stick with you.
And that's an element of karma that's powerful and neglected.
And I guess the one whose wife died and made that declaration wouldn't, even if asked, wouldn't want to change it unless he figured out that, oh, gee, I screwed up the life of the next one.
The dangers for the client are if the person doing the regression doesn't really know how to do it, one thing therapists learn is how to sit still when the person speaking is extremely upset.
To sit still, be quiet, ask questions, and stay out of the upset.
If a person is regressing people and doesn't know how to do that, and a person in the regression gets into an upsetting situation, the regressionist will have a tendency.
One person told me she walked out of the room and left because she figured out how to do this from listening to my tape and walked out of the room and left her friend in a hell of a state because she was scared.
So there are ways to mess up doing a regression.
Actual danger?
I'm determined to see the session all the way through to the end.
Next question is, if you go back into this prior life and let's just say that it works out well, and the one who said that his wife died and he'll never love another somehow indicates that it's okay, or they both indicate it's okay, and this person is brought back up, their problem now is cured.
And my question is, does it stay cured, or does it too, as a cure, wear off?
Well, I don't use the word cure, but I do, in some cases, follow up with clients over a period of time.
I saw that particular client again two weeks later, and he'd already started dating a woman he had known at work for something like five years, but he'd never realized that she was really into him.
And all of a sudden, he was able to take that in, and he was having a good time.
And I'm sure most of you can tell he is by now, too.
3,500 clients, 13,000 past life regressions.
And I'm asking them all about, well, hypnosis, regression, the nature of reincarnation.
And I want to sort of move over there for a moment.
The nature of reincarnation is so interesting.
Obviously, you know a lot about it, Gregory, the nature of reincarnation, that is to say.
And so here come some questions.
For example, when you take somebody back into a prior life, are they, if it's an American, somebody from Chicago, let's say, do you generally find an American in a prior life?
Or do you run into sometimes a Frenchman or a German or a Japanese?
I mean, I'm trying to get an idea now that I know that you really are the real thing.
I belong for years to what was then called the Association for Past Life Research and Therapy, which was a group started back in the very early 80s by a group of psychologists and psychiatrists in California as a sort of support group for each other because they were having the experience you started our conversation with of taking a patient back to the source of a problem and finding them describing a previous life.
And fortunately, they were open to people like me who were not specifically psychotherapists or psychiatrists or psychologists, but might be doing this kind of work.
And it provided the opportunity, especially as the membership grew toward 1,000 people all over the world who do regressions, that somebody did a study.
And what they found was, by inquiring of all these regressionists, that someone will speak a language they don't know in this lifetime in about six out of 10,000 sessions.
I'll never forget this Oklahoma oil man recalling a lifetime as a very poor Chinese peasant who marries an unattractive widow because that will add a second oxen to his oxen to pull plows so he could farm more rice and support his family better.
So in the rest of the cases, if it's a Chinese person or a Japanese person or a German or whatever, I can only assume that it's your patient translating for you.
Otherwise, how does it come out and there's something you can understand?
For the most part, people will, well, they're speaking in English because they're speaking through their current body.
It's very rare for somebody to revert so deeply into a past life that they're actually speaking as that person so profoundly that they're actually speaking the original language.
So I favor actually a woman who came to me who is a professional therapist, who had a side fascination with ancient Egypt, went on a trip there, a guided trip, and was in a crypt somewhere where she was looking at the hieroglyphics and kind of, I guess, muttering to herself without realizing it when finally her instructor behind her, the leader of this group, said, my God, you can read hieroglyphics better than I can, and I've been studying for 10 years.
And she said, oh, my God, I'm reading this stuff.
And that's the reason she came to me.
I mean, one thing I love about my practice is that people will show up with wonderful questions like that.
How come I can read hieroglyphics?
In a regression back to ancient Egypt, she spoke ancient Egyptian, which I still have on tape, thank Lord God.
Well, the abductions are performed by beings who are not in a physical dimension.
They may be able to slow their frequencies down enough to present as physical for a short period of time, but they can't hold it.
So when they're traveling, they are operating in usually the low mental or high astral dimension.
Now, the techniques I learned for getting rid of people's entities or doing battle with them when that's the only way to do it, I applied to the ship of the characters who were abducting my client repeatedly, and I asked her to watch the ship because she described it.
And I didn't say what I was doing, but I basically hit it up with a particular energy field and spun it in a particular way.
I mean, this becomes part of people's identities of who I am.
All of our, you know, we all have a personal story of who we are and all we've been through, and it's a whole autobiography that comprises our sense of self.
And it probably is the most dramatic and interesting thing that ever happened to them, even though painful, also interesting, and they just weren't interested in stepping aside from that and being free of it.
I appreciate the fact that you had any answer at all.
So that's really neat.
I would kind of guess that, and that's all I'd be doing, is that you somehow did that in her mind, or that's the way her mind managed to deal with the situation once you got her to it.
I don't know.
unidentified
No, there's not answers for everything in the world.
Well, it sort of makes sense because of what you're dealing with, and that is, have you ever discovered a past life in what you would regard as another dimension?
I don't know how you'd know it, but another dimension.
Okay, let me break this down for you really quickly.
Okay.
I heard about something called the involutionary cycle.
That's what goes before the evolution starts, the spiritual evolution begins.
First, the soul incarnates on a mental planet as many times as necessary to learn conceptuality, a fancy word for my ability to say table, and you and I both know what I'm talking about.
Then the soul is ready to incarnate in an astral planet, which looks a lot like a physical planet, to learn desire and feeling.
You can't desire a table unless you know what one is.
So conceptuality precedes desire.
Then when the soul has mastered combining those two, then it's ready to incarnate on a physical planet, which is the only kind of planet where you have to maintain a body temperature and you have to have food and you have to cooperate with others in order to function.
So people will recall, and this is basically how it goes, and it has been really awkward for me when somebody in a first session describes a past life on an astral planet.
It looks like a physical planet, except the colors are often more vivid.
And I ask people to describe their bodies, and they look like humans, and they wear clothes.
When I ask them to look at their hands, which I always do, and ask them what color is the skin on your hands, and when they say, well, it's white, very white.
And then I ask them to count their fingers.
If they have more than five fingers, I know for sure it's an astral planet.
We're coming up on a break, but here's - I'll let you think about it during the break, which said only two minutes, but obviously, if you get somebody into a prior life and you happen to jump them back to just before they die, I have heard that people are able to actually describe their deaths.
Now, I've done a lot of shows about NDEs and people who have researched near-death experiences.
You know, the story that they all tell about the light and the long tunnel and all the rest of that.
So, when we get back, I want to hear about the death experience.
unidentified
Midnight matters are best handled by those that understand how to move in the darkness like Art Bell.
And he has done tens of thousands of past-life regressions.
And so, sure, I want to ask him, you know, mixed in all of this is the process coming for all of us, and that's death, right?
Again and again and again and again.
You keep coming around.
Well, if that's true, then surely Gregory has run into a description of people at the moment of their death, which could be the reason for the trouble in the current life.
Who knows?
But people have described, I'm sure, to you, Gregory, death, have they not?
When we do a regression, the completion of the regression is going to the last day of your life, talking about what your situation is then, and then the moment of your death and what you're experiencing as you come out of your body.
Then they arrive in a bright light, and I ask them to move to the time when someone greets them or welcomes them.
And someone will at some point.
And that being will guide them to a place where they find other beings.
And as the person acclimates to the light level, just like we would if we went from the basement out into the bright sun, things come into focus and they can see there are physical-looking beings around them that look like people.
And I ask them to go to the time when they review the lifetime they've just left.
And that usually will involve a guide of some kind.
And they can look at the life they just left in terms of what they intended to accomplish before they went into that life.
It would be like coming back from a business trip and sitting down and saying, okay, what did I accomplish that I meant to, and what did I not get done that I meant to?
Now, I learned something from this I want to make a real point of, because it goes back to a question you asked about the brain and the new brain of a baby.
That, you know, I'm working with very Midwestern folks, most of whom have no particular knowledge of, you know, spirituality or metaphysics or any of that new agey stuff.
And yet, when people describe coming out of their bodies, and I ask them to look at their body and answer questions about the room they're in or the situation they're in, it's most often indoors, and then describe exiting the room, they can see without eyes, without a brain, they can think, and without a physical body, they have a sense of location and space.
So there's a consciousness on the other end of this experience.
It isn't just the person having the experience, it's that there are some other beings who know this is going on and they're ready for them to say, no, you've got to go back.
So a near-death experience is not the same thing as a death experience.
What I would next ask, I think, is pretty heavy-duty, and that is, do you always have them describe the same thing?
Do they always describe the light, or are there ever experiences where the death experience for a certain person sent them to a different hotter place?
Now, what does happen, though, that's really interesting, is when people come out of their body, and instead of going up, they start floating around or wandering around.
Sometimes they're in kind of like a fog, like a gray space.
More often, they're just kind of floating around, looking around.
And if that comes out in the regression, my next suggestion is to go to the first time you see art.
And then they'll describe, usually looking down, and I'll ask them, you know, where are you looking at them from, a person, very often a child, very often very young, one or two or three years old, but it could be an adult.
And then I'll ask them if there's a time when they get closer, and they will say yes.
And then I'll also ask, is there something about them that attracted your attention?
Yes or no?
And there's usually a yes, and some reason is given.
In one case, I remember vividly, the answer was, as he looked down at this little one-and-a-half or two-year-old girl, he said, happy.
He was attracted to her happiness and got into her body and had been riding around with her for all those years until she was 40 when I did the session with her.
But when that shows up, then the past life the person has described belongs to the entity that's been riding around with them and not to the person I'm working with.
One was an elf who got kicked out of his domain for being annoying and was floating around a hospital recovery room, and my client was a nurse in that recovery room.
And the doctor was so full of entities, the elf reported he didn't want to go into that guy, but my client was pretty clear, so he slipped into her.
Just needed a place to go.
And a lot of entities are literally beings, formerly human or otherwise, who are just looking for a place to hang out.
But, you know, if somebody has an entity that's pretty neutral, it's still like if you're a radio in a room and suddenly there's another radio in a room playing on a different station, it kind of disrupts the whole situation.
You see what I mean?
I do.
And so all of us have very specific and complex frequency systems in our bodies, and to some degree they're individually unique.
So when you have another frequency system in your energy field as well, it's disruptive and can have all kinds of effects, generally not good ones.
In Aboriginal cultures, someone who was a Native American Might attach his spirit after death to an animal like an elk or a reindeer and share that experience because the way they hold that,
you know, like the Native American tradition of going in spirit to the animal and ask if they would sacrifice their life for the tribe before they shoot them or they kill them.
So there is that kind of connection.
So that can get confused.
And occasionally, a human soul after death will attach themselves to an animal like a porpoise was one story I remember for a period of time before they realize they don't belong there and they leave.
So if someone guiding their aggression isn't on to the possibility, they might think that somebody'd remember a lifetime as an animal.
To some extent in every regression, but in some situations, the major part of the regression is after the person died and they're describing what they're doing in another dimension.
And how else could he describe this to people who really were working with a very material world?
So a lot of them are classes and adventures in other dimensions.
The distinction is this.
When we're in a physical body, what we learn and accomplish stays with us karmically.
It becomes part of our permanent being.
What we learn in other dimensions is only to prepare us for living it out in the physical.
So that doesn't stay with us permanently.
One reason that people feel a certain spiritual longing is to reconnect with the learning that they accomplished before they came back into their body.
Just like to give a quick shout out to all your fans listening on the MITD Facebook fan group.
Yes.
I'm hoping I can get two quick questions in.
The first one, you kind of touched on, Art, about if anyone could see their death before it happens.
I was wondering, is there any correlation between stories you've heard from your clients of their past lives and any present birthmarks they would have?
That was a new question, so I couldn't let it get by.
unidentified
Was there any correlation, like if someone had a birthmark and they went back and maybe That was an injury from a past life that physically carried over.
I believe there is a lot of medical information about this.
I was reading about it in a science magazine of mine.
Scientists now are beginning to believe, medical scientists, that there are many, many more people in this what's called a locked-in syndrome, which means from our point of view, these people seem to be in a vegetative state.
But unfortunately, in fact, they're aware of everything around them.
Probably, if I were addressing that problem with someone without knowing anything else about the situation, they're probably ready to leave their body and go back into the light if something is holding them back.
Now, if I were to be present in a medical situation and the outcome of my presence was that they died, that would be really awkward for me.
The son of the man who created the Learjet is John Lear.
And I interviewed John on many, many occasions about topics like this, and something he said, here we go, folks, has stuck with me forever and probably will always be with me, Gregory.
It's one of those things you can't unthink.
He said, Art, when you die, don't go to the light.
Well, I'm actually gratified to hear you say that, not about John, but about the whole concept, because once you hear that from somebody who says it authoritatively, it's always going to put you in doubt.
There's not a hot place, but there are dark realms.
And it's not that people get sent there.
Well, I've done a couple of regressions where people describe dying in some rather unfortunate circumstance and being kidnapped and dragged into the dark realms.
And they go through a whole process.
Both people described it the same way.
And it's not pretty of being converted into one of those beings.
But by and large, and who knows?
I mean, I'm only working with the people who came to me who are usually, you know, one of my rules is they have to be able to walk into my office on their own, you know, without assistance.
How did I learn that?
I don't know how that works, but there is the ancient idea going back to Zoroaster and throughout Judeo-Christian and Islamic teaching that there is a battle in heaven between the light and the dark.
I've got two questions for your guests, if that's okay.
And I'm going to try not to hold them up too long.
First one is, is it possible for you to remember your past lives when you're asleep, when you're in a deep sleep?
Because if you keep remembering the same dream, is that an indication of a past life?
And the second one is, is that when you come out of them, if you remember them clearly and you always remember them, is that, again, another indication that they are past lives?
I mean, many clients have come to me because of dreams of past incarnations and of a situation in a past incarnation that they keep having this dream about over and sometimes for years.
And when I ask them to go back to the source of the dream, they describe not only what's in the dream, but everything that happened before and after.
And then that clears it up and they stop having the dreams.
Because they're usually not fun dreams.
unidentified
Okay, because I've always had the same dream that I've had for a long time.
I've had three different drowning dreams, one of which is in a time that I can't, that I think is in the future, but I'm not sure of, but I know two for a factor in the past.
And listening to you tonight, I was wondering if that's an indication of something.
The only one I remember is an extraterrestrial guy who flew his ship into the earth.
It made a corkscrew motion, and he next described being born into a physical body.
And that was his last lifetime.
And in his current life, at the age of 31, he was the tech vice president of a major corporation in Chicago that would be familiar to anyone.
He couldn't make it to his second regression because he and some fellow executives had gone to the top of the skyscraper where their office was, and the door blew shut, and they were locked up there, so he couldn't come back the second time.
In your break, you had the news story about the coral dying out.
And I thought it was really funny because right now I'm having my students do a video project where they have to make a one-minute beauty commercial about saving coral in Okinawa.
So it was just really kind of an interesting coincidence to me.
I appreciate that.
So my question is, I'm hoping perhaps you can answer a question that I've had for a long time.
And I'll make it quick, but it's kind of two parts.
The first part is, do you have any knowledge of how past life experiences relate to transgender experiences?
And if so, would you ever regret someone that's transgender and try to figure out if there's any cause for that?
And I don't, I really, when you don't know, I want you to say that, that you don't know or haven't explored it yet, because then I know you're on the up and up, and I do know you're on the up and up.
This is the single most fascinating program on this subject that I've ever done in my career, and I've done a lot of them, Gregory, so that says a lot, trust me.
Michael, I'll Skype.
You're on the air with Gregory.
unidentified
Hi.
Meghar Roswell's Art.
I'm Michael from Virginia.
Okay.
Gregory, have you ever had a client that, rather than regressing, had a progression that described a future life?
Also, could you elaborate on the client or clients that said describing transforming themselves into demons?
Thanks, Art, and shout out to the weirdos at Belgab.
People who have died and are drawn into the darkness are put through a process of being changed into a low-level dark being like a private in an army.
And they're not demons.
Demons are very specific things that I've encountered very rarely because they're the ones who swear and spit and cry and make a lot of noise.
Dark beings don't do that.
So when people talk about demons, that's usually like something out of a fundamentalist church where they think that any kind of negative presence of someone is a demon, which is complete nonsense.
Demons are very specific and it's really tough to have a conversation with one.
I mean, I learned about entities by interviewing them through my client when they're in trance.
So I want to know how they affected my client, how they got there, what they want them to do or not do, the whole thing, so that I and my client are both learning how they've been affected.
The last time that happened, I was working with a client on a warm afternoon, and he outweighed me by 100 pounds, and he was in the recliner, and the screaming and spitting and yelling and cursing started, and it got louder and louder, and I suddenly realized this guy could be a handful if he gets out of that chair.
Then I realized I've got neighbors.
I'm in the city, right?
The next thing I know, I may have a couple cops at the door because it sounds like murder is happening in my place.
And I'm going to have a real handful if I've got this guy screaming and spitting in my hypnosis room and the cops show up at the door.
And in a regression, he described from the point of view of the other incarnation, who was this old Cambodian guy, beating this young blonde American in this refugee camp.
My client was a guy in the financial business who sold investment programs to people with an annual income of a million dollars or more, who'd made a lot of money.
And for some reason he couldn't understand, he went to Cambodia, worked in the camp, gave them all his money, and he still didn't know why.
And in the regression, this old Cambodian dude is driving a truck through this camp and picks up this blonde guy who's a hitchhiker, and he describes my client.
And then he describes feeling this amazing tingling all over his body.
And then my client woke up out of trance with his eyes wide open and said, what was that?
Dreams obviously are not always meaningful in some future or past life way.
A lot of times dreams are about your current life, something that happened to you when you were younger or you were in college or you were working or I know because I have them all the time.
Well also, you know, when we're sleeping, our astral bodies, which like to play or have fun or explore things, will leave our physical bodies and go flying around and go into all kinds of astral places and all kinds of things happen.
And then sometimes when we get up in the morning, our astral body isn't back.
So we feel a little out of place or have a hard time pulling ourselves together.
We don't have a lot of time, so if you have a question, go ahead.
unidentified
Yeah, real quick.
Hart, good to have you back on the air.
Thank you.
I had a dream one time.
It was real.
I woke up, got ready to go to work, walked downstairs from my apartment, got into my car, saw that the dashboard was completely bent in like a 90-degree angle, realized my stereo had been stolen and speakers in the back of my car.
And anyway, then I woke up and I realized, oh, this is a dream.
So I got up and I got ready, go to work, walked downstairs, and my car had been broken into.
Yes, but you have so much knowledge about this subject, so very much knowledge, more than I've ever heard anybody articulate ever, that you know, you're my age.
Before you have your next incarnation, you really ought to jot down some notes on this one.