Deborah Moffitt recounts her family’s 25-year battle with a malevolent entity called "Prince" or "Mr. Entity," which entered their Rancho Cucamonga home in 1984 after a Santeria ritual, rearranging objects, shattering windows, and carving a triangle-with-tail symbol into walls—linked to Islamic Iblis djinn lore and Congo shamanism. The entity, never overtly violent but psychologically isolating, demanded blood rituals using a 200-year-old spearhead (fresh when found) and mocked religious artifacts, leaving only after her father-in-law moved out. Callers debate its origins, from ancient demons to djinn, while Art Bell questions institutional responses like the Catholic Church’s refusal to intervene. The haunting’s chilling parallels—unexplained deaths, ritualistic objects, and global symbolism—raise unsettling questions about unseen forces manipulating human lives. [Automatically generated summary]
And so I'm not banning those, but you know what I mean, right?
No really bad language.
Can't allow it.
One call per show.
Now I have to define it, right?
Like the Supreme Court says, you know it when you hear it.
All right.
I have news on Abby.
Otherwise, known as KIC 8462852.
I think we're going to call her Abby, though.
Seems like a good name to me.
She discovered the star, right?
All right.
So here's the thing.
I have information inside information again.
I've had it now twice from NASA, once NASA itself, once JPL.
And now I have somebody inside the main scientific circles that are looking at all this right now.
And I'm not going to burn this person's name.
I understand that that makes you perhaps doubt a little bit what you're about to hear.
But I beseech thou, please go to artbell.com immediately.
Artbell.com, because I'm going to ask you to look at a chart, and I almost never ever do stuff like that.
But this is important.
Go to artbell.com, and right below tonight's guest info, you will find a chart.
This is the chart.
What this shows is the dimming of Abbey.
It's no minor matter, and the information I'm about to give you does come from inside the main scientists looking at this.
And that's all I can say.
You're just going to have to trust, and I do, that the information is accurate.
The first 16% dimming event was a weird one.
The light curve would suggest that the object is monolithic and triangular shaped.
This fact is what's driving all the scientific interest because that is exactly the kind of structure that you would build to announce your presence to the universe.
You don't see big, opaque triangles in nature.
It doesn't happen.
If the spectra show the object to be opaque when it comes back around, then it can only be explained as an alien megastructure that was probably constructed to announce the presence of the civilization.
There is a slim chance it could well be conglomerated comet tails.
Very slim.
They too can appear triangular.
However, as you'll see in Graph C, and that's what I've got up for you right now, graph C of slate link below, well, below my guest, which is close up to the 800 event, what they call the 800 event.
That's the big dimming, right?
Notice how smooth the curve is.
As time goes on, it exponentially blocks more and more light until at the very end, it abruptly drops off.
That indicates that a perfect isosceles triangle passed in front of the star.
This is hot stuff I'm giving you this morning.
The Hubble Space Telescope is now on standby to look at Abby.
We'll call her Abbey.
The moment a dimming event is detected, the first second they detect any dimming, Hubble is ready to go.
They'll use the STIS instrument to look at the spectrum of whatever the object is and get this.
They may even get an image of it as they did with the exoplanet orbiting Formalot.
The triangle feature is being referred to as, in quotes here, the Imperial Star Destroyer, informally for fun among scientists, because it is a huge, slow-moving triangle.
So now, using that phrase, some of the scientists will know that I have an in, but I'm not going to burn my sources.
The Imperial Star Destroyer.
Not bad.
This is big news.
You don't find triangles in nature, folks.
If that's what she be, Abby, then we're looking at a signal to us that they want to make contact.
Do we want to make contact?
If you want to see the big event charted, you've really got to see this.
I mean, you've got to look at this chart.
You can see the 800 Event centered on that.
And then the additional random dimmings.
Imagine if they actually get a shot of the damn thing, a big triangle.
Figures it'd be a triangle, right?
That's how I thought of it.
Figures, it'll be a triangle.
That was my big sighting.
Anyway, that's from inside the science circle looking at all this now.
And again, I'm not going to burn my contact, but I'm going to tell you it's good information.
As I did with NASA, I was right then, I'm right now.
This is getting really exciting.
I mean, it really is getting exciting.
When we can lead with these kind of headlines, and it's still not a done deal, of course, but my God, folks, when has this program ever been able to talk about the scientific possibility of life beyond our own planet?
I got into sort of a heated email debate with somebody about this earlier, and as you know, on the air, I interviewed some very religious people from back in the Bible Belt, and they're not so happy about alien contact at all.
Of course, I threw down some pretty hard stuff to make them say that, but there is a definite prejudice against anybody else being out there.
There's one God, and for a lot of people, there's only one people that he created, and we're it.
All right, onward.
This is another biggie I want to talk to you about.
British and U.S. officials said Wednesday they have information suggesting the Russian jetliner, Russian one, that crashed in the Egyptian desert may have been brought down by a bomb.
Now, I'm a CNN junkie.
I'll admit it.
I am.
I watch CNN all the time.
I think they were brainwashing the holy hell out of us today.
Really?
I mean, all day long, it wasn't, was it a bomb?
It wasn't the usual, oh, we don't want to make any guesses until we have absolute proof.
It was, it was a bomb.
Likelihood is it was a bomb.
Now, they're, of course, just repeating what the U.S. government and the British government are saying.
I will grant you that, but we're going to examine why the U.S. and British governments would be saying that.
And boy, was CNN their mouthpiece today.
Let's think about why.
I mean, normally CNN pretty good about plane crashes.
All the talking heads they have on.
The British guy I really love.
But, you know, they all kind of were swinging in there with CNN that this was a bomb that brought it down.
And, you know, it may well turn out to be it was a bomb.
But we don't know that yet.
And normally, CNN would be ultra, ultra careful with its talking heads.
And they'd all say, but we have to wait and see.
But, oh, in this case, it was most likely a bomb.
Yeah, we saw, you know, a heat signature when it blew up.
But they're beyond that now.
They're talking about inside jobs and, you know, it being ISIS and ISIS, in fact, has taken credit, perhaps not in the normal, full way they do.
They may be protecting an inside source.
I'll give you that.
And also, I will give you that it may have been a bomb.
But at this point, we don't know that.
We don't have one centilla of proof that it was a bomb.
No chemical analysis, nothing.
And I'm telling you that normally CNN would be very circumspect about calling it something like this.
I think they're calling it what the American and British government wants it called.
We want it to be a bomb.
That sounds horrible, right?
But in a way we do, because it was a Russian aircraft, passenger aircraft, that, if it was a bomb, came down as a result of it.
So there's a big backstory here with what CNN is doing.
And I think they are cooperating with the American government here.
And I almost count this as propaganda.
And again, please, I'm not saying it's not a bomb.
It could well turn out to be.
But normally, they would never, ever cover it with this kind of assurance, saying bomb.
So why are they doing it now?
Well, because the American and British governments, the American government mainly wants them to do it.
That's what I think.
I understand what I'm being propagandized.
When you've been out of the country and observed the world political process underway from outside the country, you have a very different perspective of the American media.
And I have that different perspective.
And the way I see it is as follows.
We want it to be a bomb because it's a Russian airliner.
Now let's consider what's going on in Syria for a second, okay?
Incredibly dangerous.
Oh, God, it's dangerous there.
So we've got Assad, a guy that we ostensibly wanted out, right?
We wanted him out.
He was horrible.
Then, well, we sort of reconsidered a little bit, and we haven't said much lately, like, well, you know, maybe Assad's better than whatever might come next.
But still, we officially don't want Assad there.
The Russians are in Syria now, in a big way, tanks, troops, bombing.
But they're not bombing ISIS.
They're helping us to death by bombing, but they're bombing the wrong people.
They're bombing the rebels who want to take down Assad.
In other words, Russia's in there militarily propping up Assad.
We've been complaining bitterly about it now for a long time, right?
What do we want Russia to Do.
We want them to bomb who?
ISIS, of course.
So if this can be a bomb put in a plane by ISIS, then it might make the Russians really, really angry enough to begin actually bombing the people we hoped they would bomb.
ISIS.
So while we're normally extremely circumspect, I mean, how many, well, we've seen a lot of plane crashes lately, right?
And they're always very cautious.
So what's up this time?
Is there a connection between what the U.S. government and Britain say and then what CNN is hyping up?
Yup.
I think so.
Anyway, for your consideration, you can write to me and let me know whether you think I'm right, wrong, or upside down.
Then we've got the case of the USS Kitty Hawk.
What is that?
You know what the Kitty Hawk is, right?
It's a great big super carrier.
The Kitty Hawk was in the Pacific, along with the ships that tend to her.
A Chinese sub surprised everybody by surfacing near the Kitty Hawk.
Now, my guess would be that somebody's head is going to roll because of this.
I can't know that for sure, but I'm guessing.
You know, they were supposed to be protecting the carrier, and you were not supposed to ever get surprised by something like a Chinese submarine.
So that's what's going on in the world.
Now, forget all that stuff, except the star.
That's very important.
And let me tell you about what is coming up next.
Deborah Moffat is just a regular person, an experiencer behind the acclaimed books, A Deadly Haunting, and Unwelcomed, which draw upon the frightening experiences she and her family endured at the hands of their unseen tormentor.
Vastly intelligent and destructive, this demon wrought havoc in their lives and home, resulting in a daily battle to maintain their own sanity.
After 25 years, Deborah decided to tell her story, detailing what went on in her family's home during the six-year nightmare in which this entity plagued them.
For these six years, can you imagine living like that?
Can you imagine it?
For these six years, the Moffitt family was terrorized by a demon from the past.
A demon that claimed that Lee Moffat was promised to him as a sacrifice hundreds of years ago.
The entity had come to collect.
There were no safe havens.
There was nowhere to run.
The Moffitt family had only one option, as we would all have.
Survive.
And so, in a moment, the Moffat story, a true haunting.
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Did you see the lights?
Everything was all in the world.
As a terror, in each sip, and in each sub would you partake of that last officer or disappear into the buttercups?
Take a walk on the wild side of midnight from the Kingdom of Nive.
I do certainly agree, Debbie, that when you dabble in such things, you do leave open the door for something you don't want as well as something you do want.
When I hear somebody finally say, I don't know, I love it.
It gives credibility to the story.
You know, usually you ask, you push hard enough, and somebody says, well, the demon told me one night when I had a deep sleep, you know, or something like that.
In other words, they try to provide an answer to every single question you ask.
And as an interviewer, I've learned that's not a good sign.
And I called Keith, who operates the board down there in Arizona.
And I said, Keith, I'm hearing voices.
Now, either they heard it on the air and will tell me, or you did it there.
And he said, oh, not me, not me.
And then a moment passes.
He said, oh, God, I love the mic on.
And let me tell you, there's nothing more demonic than the Roland voice in your ear.
Demonic indeed.
And since I'm on the subject of the wormhole and messages you can send, if you are a time traveler, you get to pick...
You can go back and you can listen to old shows.
You can hear last night's show in the afternoon when you want to hear it, and you have access to the wormhole, and you can send me messages about how I screw up and so much more.
All right, that said, yes, Roland's voice is demonic indeed.
She said, this deity, she called it an ancient deity.
She never really called it a demon.
She called it more of a deity.
She said, if you take one room upstairs and empty it and give it the room and pay homage to this, this won't hurt you and it'll actually make your life better.
She said, because I can't get rid of it, and I don't know if your mother-in-law can be saved.
What I actually witnessed, the first thing, was a port.
We had a tenant that moved into, my husband rented his house out, and We lived with his mother and father.
He had a heart condition, and he just felt closer, felt safer living together.
So we all lived together.
We rented out his house to a gentleman.
He had a large sports collection, my husband.
So he left one room in the house locked.
And the gentleman had free run of the house, but he couldn't touch this room.
So we would go down periodically to check on the room.
The very first thing that happened is we walked into his, we unlocked the door where his sports memorabilia were, and something had taken all the bobbleheads, baseball bobbleheads off the wall and put them into the shape of a triangle on the floor.
You know, at the beginning of that, as a woman, and I'm not, I'd have reason to worry if another man's underwear shows up on a cross over my head or near it.
So we put that lamp back, we went into the kitchen, went in the kitchen probably for two minutes, came back into the living room, and the furniture from the dining room was stacked up in the living room.
Now, during this time, the neighbor on the other side that we rented out, the grandmother's house, talked to my husband and said, did someone die in this house?
Which no one had.
And my husband told him no.
But he evidently had been playing with a Ouija board.
And he said he contacted something on a Ouija board.
By this time, my husband, my father-in-law, myself, and my mother-in-law had decided we were going to sell the properties and move to a new house, a bigger house, and live together.
So we were thinking, well, we won't rent anything out anymore.
When Monty died, we didn't rent the other house out.
When this tenant left, we weren't going to rent this one out again.
After he left, about a week or so, maybe two weeks later, someone was knocking at that door.
I was in the front yard.
I yelled over.
He doesn't live there anymore.
He asked me, well, do you know where he is?
I said, no.
He said, did you hear what happened to Michelle?
And I said, no, I haven't heard anything about Michelle.
He said, they found Michelle beaten to death, wrapped in a rug in a landfill.
First of all, we went to a psychologist right here in Rancho Cucamonga because I remember my mother-in-law was contacting the church at the time to try to get a priest to come to the house.
And we decided to go to a psychologist to see if any one of us was causing this.
No, there were bad things, but it would, you know, it wanted, it would say, don't go in the attic, don't do this, don't bring anybody to the house.
If my mother-in-law had father-in-law had to go somewhere, if they didn't ask the entity, you know, say they were going to go, it would destroy the car so they couldn't go.
It had such power, it stopped us from doing some of the things we wanted to do.
It would break windshields, break headlights.
It was the most, you can't believe the feeling of almost being held captive in your life.
I mean, no matter we went, like I said, we'd go out to dinner, we'd come home, on the kitchen table would be the name tag from the lady that waited on us.
One time we went out to dinner, and my mother-in-law looked down at her plate, and her meat, it had a big, like someone had taken a big bite out of her meat.
Trying to think other, we had, like I said, people from all over.
We even wrote to people in different countries.
In Brazil, there was a gentleman that worked with this thing.
We contacted him.
He told us to contact the Warrens.
But before we contacted the Warrens, we had other people come out.
We had a, this is the time I saw it show itself, or at least use something to show itself.
Two shamans came out to the house.
Very nice people.
They came out.
By this time, the entity had destroyed my mother-in-law's room upstairs to the extent, and it was felt so dangerous now, we all moved in together into the master suite downstairs.
Yeah, so now downstairs, we have, thank goodness it's a really large room, has a sitting room, so we had beds in there, we had bed in the other part, so we all stayed together.
At night, we didn't go apart.
My mother-in-law very rarely even walked through the house by herself.
And on the side of its head, instead of an ear, it had a circular horn that started there and made a circle and went up and over the top of its head into a big horn.
You know, it got to the point where my mother-in-law was becoming distraught, which you couldn't blame her.
She had no life.
She couldn't even have money to do anything.
You know, I believe that this entity, whatever it was, and I still to this day don't really know what it was, I don't think it had the power to actually kill her.
I think it wanted her to commit suicide.
And that was trying to drive her to suicide.
Because with the power it had, I can't believe it couldn't have just snapped her neck if it wanted to.
When it first started, we'd had one researcher come and he would say, now take pictures of everything that happens and document everything so that you can show the next researcher or you can show me what's happening.
It'd write on the mirror, we write it in a book, and we try to take pictures.
Now, some of the pictures aren't great because you have to remember, back at that time, it wasn't the digital camera where you could see if you took a good picture.
And taking pictures of a mirror, you got a lot of glare.
Because the second book, Actually, I just wanted to show people the pictures.
There's over 100 pictures in that book of what went on.
And that's what's so fascinating.
Even me, who went through it.
See, for 25 years, we hid it because once it left, we decided we're not going to talk about it because people said, well, don't talk about it because you'll bring it back.
It's just he called, he kind of confronted the demon.
But you know, at the time, I think there was more than one thing in the house because you got the feeling there was one strong thing and maybe some other things that weren't quite as powerful.
But there was like one main thing that was the mean bad one.
And I remember they went in and we all sat in a circle.
And at the time, we had a researcher staying with us whose name was Gary, who was brought to us by a friend who became a good friend of ours, Brian Hurst.
He tried to help us.
He was a medium in Los Angeles, a quite famous medium.
He tried to help us.
He wouldn't go into trance in the house because he said it was just too dangerous.
He would torment Gary as much as he tormented my mother-in-law.
So we sat in the circle, and Ed and Lorraine brought a gentleman, I think his name was Kevin, who videotaped everything.
He videotaped it.
And I remember we were sitting in the living room, and Ed did prayers, and he did some other kinds of things, and then he called forth the demon.
Now, my father-in-law was sitting right next to me.
And I remember my father-in-law started to change.
Excuse me.
I don't mean literally change into a monster, but there was subtle changes.
His arm curled up to his chest.
His back started to bend forward, so he kind of leaned forward.
And he kind of became something different than what he was.
And he stood up and he walked towards Zed and he dragged his one leg and he went towards Zed.
And when Ed saw him coming towards him, he got frightened and he held up a little piece of wood he had.
And he said, this is a holy relic from the cross.
You can't harm me.
And my father-in-law, in a voice that was completely different than his, but his voice, said, I'm going to bite your hand off and take your hand in that wood and chew it up and spit it in your face.
And then all of a sudden, my father-in-law turned Around, walked back in the couch, sat down on the couch, and went back to normal.
I mean, we had, you know, I don't mention the things like the smells and the pounding and the banging because they seem so non-consequential compared to the other things that happened.
Cheers to the person who said, why don't we name that mouse Abby Normal?
Yeah, thanks a lot.
All right.
My guest is staring rats.
God, Deborah Moffat.
So, if you have questions for her, and I can imagine you would, I certainly do.
And incidentally, you can go to my website, not only seeing a picture of where that mouse was, it's the little device with all the little white buttons.
That's where the mouse was.
And also, you can see some pictures that Deborah took.
So, for all those reasons, go to my website now and click on a picture of my guest, Deborah Moffat, and follow the links.
Apparently, it'll go over to her website.
There may be some pictures on my website.
I'm not really sure.
We're about to go to the phones, and I really do want your help in asking questions.
This is a very, very long-term, significant haunting case.
Or demon case.
I guess a demon case, right?
We'll talk more about that.
Anyway, here's the talk.
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Once again, here is Debbie.
Okay, Debbie, this is such an incredible, incredible story in every way I can think of.
You then called, and you sort of gave us the story, Dr. Paglini.
And a lot of people on this show have a lot of request, a lot of request, a lot of respect for Dr. Paglini, the late, great Dr. Paglini.
I mean, we had big tubs of plaster because he used to gouge in the wall.
If you look at some of the pictures, you can see he used to just take something and gouge in the walls.
That's why I was actually happy when he started writing on the mirror because when he started writing on the mirror, he stopped gouging everything in the walls.
I remember one of the researchers said to us, well, why are you letting him write on the mirror?
Just take the soap away.
Don't let him write on the mirror.
And then I tried to explain to him, well, if we take the soap away, he destroys the house.
It's best that he puts it on the mirror, we can wipe it off.
Sometimes we'd come in and the bed would be upside down, and you had to take the bed apart to get it to put it back up because the bed's too big to turn over in the room.
So like I said, a few things happened in front of you.
Most happened behind your back.
One of the most, I think, amazing, amazing things, even more amazing than the sphere and the ports and everything else, is one picture I, two pictures I took in the bathroom.
Now, you have to understand, these bath, their bathroom mirrors were bolted onto the wall.
They were never taken from the wall until I redecorated in 2013.
I would go in, take pictures, and then, you know, we'd look at the pictures.
So I was going through the pictures looking for pictures to put in the book.
And I see one picture, and then I see another picture that was taken.
They have dates on them that was taken right afterwards.
Dr. Berghuini, like I told you, she told us how powerful this was.
And she said to me, she said, listen, the reason I can't get rid of this is because somebody in the house is giving it permission to stay.
And if someone gives it permission to stay in the house, no one can get rid of it.
She said, I'm not telling you I can get rid of it even if that person leaves.
She said, but we have a better chance.
So she said, I said, well, who is it?
She said, we'll find out tonight.
She said, I'm going to do something.
She said, tomorrow you call me and you let me know what happens tomorrow night.
Okay, during the middle of the night, I think it was like 3.30 or so, my father-in-law jumps up in bed and he starts coughing like he can't breathe.
Just coughing and coughing and shaking.
And we thought we were going to have to call the ambulance because he wouldn't stop.
Then, just like it started, he laid back down and went right back to sleep like nothing happened.
So the next day I told Dr. Paglini what happened and she said, he's the one that's giving it permission to stay in the house.
And I found out the entity actually wrote to me and explained to me that my father-in-law, my father-in-law was not a very nice man, not a nice man at all.
And he had got to the point he was sick of my mother-in-law.
And so he was actually encouraging the entity to kill my mother-in-law.
So when the entity explained this to me, then not only did I have to protect her from the entity, but I had to protect her from her husband.
And she was one of these old world Italian ladies.
We would say to her, Ma, you've got to get rid of him.
He's got to go or we can't get rid of the entity.
Oh, no, no, it's not him.
It's not him.
We even sent him to a psychiatrist, everything, to try to find out if, you know, the hostility he had towards my mother-in-law.
Nothing helped.
Finally, she made him move out.
When he moved out, the entity didn't leave.
The entity still stayed.
But he became more community.
He liked to talk even more when my father-in-law was gone.
Once my father-in-law was gone, and I knew nothing was keeping him in the house, and Gary was still living with us at the time.
I remember telling Mr. Entity, you have to go now, Mr. Entity.
No one's keeping you here, and you're not going to stay here.
Gary was a researcher who was kind of down on his luck.
He decided because the entity was so powerful that if he welcomed him into his life, maybe his life would be better.
So Gary told me, he said, I'm going to go in and I'm going to tell Mr. Entity, he can come with me.
I'm leaving.
I'm going to England.
He can come with me.
So I remember I went in and I told Mr. Entity, all right, Mr. Entity, it's time for you to leave now.
You have to go.
Gary said, you can go with him.
And the entity wrote on the mirror, I don't want to leave.
And then he wrote, I will not work with an inferior being.
I don't want you to give your last name on the air.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
I have no idea.
My bad.
So, Robert, can I start again?
Yes.
Hello.
I just wanted to say, Deborah, we have a research group here, and we have gone through something very similar.
We have found that it's the interaction between when the spirits or demons talk to you and after the person, someone does need to give permission, but also anyone else, anyone sensitive who can hear them, it's the interaction that seems to give them energy.
And the more you talk to them, the more they can affect you.
There's so many people I found going through this now.
I just wanted to let people know that.
And the mouse thing, that when I was first in a house, when I first started being able to hear, I didn't believe what I was hearing.
And it's like they wanted to prove it, and a mouse, a big Romarette, walked up and stared at me exactly when Art started saying what had happened to him.
Chills just tore through my spine.
This is like the fifth time I've heard this.
fact that it happened live to art is just flabbergasting.
And so that is...
At least I can tell some of the people here who are still suffering from that, that there is hope.
They just have to.
I wish I knew how your person that helped you made him cough so you could identify who, in fact, was giving permission.
I would love to know how to do that.
Is it a prayer?
Is it a ritual?
If you could elaborate on that, I would love it so much.
Seeing the image of the spear, it sort of reminded me of images of ancient relics about the spear of destiny, the spear that was used to pierce the side of Jesus.
Deborah, I wanted to ask you if you ever did any research on Prince, actually.
I vaguely remember something about Solomon in the Old Testament working with some former demon called Prince or any kind of research on the triangle with the tail?
I just wanted to say that in your texture where you're supposed to have the mouse or whatever right behind that machine that says Denon, it looks like the little mouse is looking at you from underneath the white wire.
That sounded like a youngster, proving my point that we get them all the time.
Chaz, hello.
You're on the air with Deborah.
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Hey, Art.
This is Chaz calling from Vegas.
Welcome.
Hi, Deborah.
Good evening.
I have a quick question for you.
I know I've heard a lot of people who deal with this type of thing mention that the more you talk about it, the more type of power you give it, and you acknowledge it, and welcome it and that type of thing.
And I know you had mentioned that you weren't really worried about it coming back.
You know, the one with the mirror and the writing on the mirror, it looked like a flash from a camera, so that was kind of hard to see, and she admitted it was like the reflection of the kitchen and not the bed or the bathroom.
I was going to ask Debbie, though, did you ever have anybody like a ceremonial magician, anybody that did things like that, that drew pictures or anything?
Sometimes it's hard to tell if this is just an astral being that's stuck and angry or is it really a demonic, deep part of our consciousness, like an evil part of us all?
Because really, the spirit world is a part of every one of us.
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If you have never called the program before, Deborah Moffat is on here with about the best horror story I guess I've ever heard, including photographs, which you can see in artpell.com, and you can make your way over to her site and see many more.
It was a six-year odyssey of sheer terror with knives and spears, dogs ripped in half, and oh, you name it.
Like I said before, there were a lot of those things.
We had the smells, smelled like rotting food, rotting flesh, noises, poundings.
I remember the night before the shamans came to the house, the whole night it pounded on the walls in the beat of like the war, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
You know, and the entity, it knew the entities, the shamans were coming the next night, and it pounded like that the whole night before they came.
Do you know, I wanted to say I truly believe everything you've said, but what I'd like to encourage you to do for future research people, because in the past we've had extraordinary stories and there's not enough research been able to be done,
and somebody will pass away or family members pass away, and then we're kind of, the community of researchers are just kind of left with, well, hearsay, you know, because there was no proof.
What I'd like to encourage you to do for two reasons is that that situation where the woman had died or been killed and placed in a rug, you know, in that situation, while you still remember the dates and the woman's name and identification enough that you knew about her and the individual that she was living with,
if you'd call the cold case detectives in that area and just give them a little information, and then that way there's been some kind of, not that I don't believe that this entity could have done that, but you've helped with that situation, case that woman's family, and you've helped with that.
But also in the future, that gives validation that you've done everything you can to isolate that out of the realm of her being murdered by a person.
And I think those kind of things, while that's still available, that could be a matter of time.
And so, you know, not to say that that individual that could have murdered her couldn't have been attacked by this entity and caused it, you know, caused the person to do it too.
So I truly believe everything you've said, but as much, that would even validate your efforts to try to, you know, push this forward.
Because I do believe everything you've said, and I think you're right on the trail.
But those kinds of researches tell, you know, and you've done everything you can.
You're a very brave woman, I'll tell you.
And I don't think you have any alternatives, but you're incredible.
I can't, you know, for the first hour and a half or two hours, I've been listening to, you know, you and Deborah talk.
And at first, I am the eternal skeptic, and I'm going like, oh, really?
Oh, come on.
But now that I've heard her entire story, I'm actually kind of creeped out myself.
It kind of scared me.
I have a very good friend.
I'm not going to put her name out on the air, but she has a daughter who seems to attract these things too.
And I was never there to actually see these things, but I've known this woman for like 20 years.
And I don't think she would really exaggerate about things like chairs moving in her kitchen and stuff.
So even though it took me a while to kind of really get into what Deborah was saying, like a lot of the callers, I'm actually amazed that, Debbie, you were able to actually put up with this for so long.
If it was you and this thing began to attack and communicate with you, and it wouldn't matter who you called in, priests, people who were really good, like Evelyn Paglini, the Warrens, with this type of thing, they could do nothing.
There was nobody who could do anything, and you were night and day.
This thing was with you, and there was no way to get rid of it.
Now, that's frightening.
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Well, you know, I do a lot of reading, and I'm not overly religious, but what I have learned is that if you're really in that much of a bad situation, I don't think there really is much that a human being can do about it.
And that's when you have to call upon whoever you believe in, you know, God's, God, Jesus, whoever, and you've got to ask them to come in and help you.
You were talking to the young one about the picture on the tenon.
Yes.
And I've been looking at it, and if you look at the L C D and just above the L C D and below the white and black wires, it does look like there's a mouse hiding there.
Yes, they are, I guess is the term people would know it as.
They are elementals.
You had the Iblis, the third kind, are rooted to one area but are capable of moving about.
The other type, the second type, either takes the form of a dog or a snake.
And because I was doing some quick research looking into that spear coming from the Congo, 200 years ago in the Congo, King Leopold II had taken over that area and was cutting off hands of people who were not acting, weren't working fast enough.
That place holds like $50, $60 trillion worth of minerals.
And even here recently, the elected president in the Congo had been executed, and the United States and Belgium had been accused of causing their president of being ousted.
Okay, so oddly enough, the guy that was just on the phone, I'm very familiar with what he was talking about, and he kind of took the words out of my mouth.
This was definitely a djinn that was interacting with her.
Like he said, they come in the form of an animal.
And yeah, I don't really have much else to say because the previous caller just kind of answered everything.
But yeah, this was definitely a djinn that was messing with her.