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Sept. 11, 2015 - Art Bell

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Art Bell MITD - Open Lines Atheist Debate & Planet X

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unidentified		I desert and the great American Southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bid you all, good evening, good morning, and good afternoon from the globe, wherever you may be.
		It's open wine.
		Tonight, anything goes, and I mean anything, well, no bad language and only one call per show.
		Those are the rules.
		Otherwise, anything goes.
		Let me repeat that.
		No bad language and only one call per show.
		Other than that, there are no rules.
		Now, I am, well, I'll get to my level of disappointment here in a minute, I guess.
		I wanted somebody, and I do want somebody right now.
		Matter of fact, let me go ahead and get started on that.
		I want somebody who believes we are about to be crushed like bugs by Planet X. I am so disappointed.
		I put up a little Facebook post asking for somebody to call, and a few people called, but none of them were what I would call, I mean, I get emails here, folks.
		You wouldn't believe the emails I get.
unidentified		Aren't, oh my God, get somebody on about Planet X fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's coming.
		We're all going to die.
		You know, that's what I want.
		But apparently they only email.
		They don't call.
		So I was thinking of setting up a little debate between a couple of you on Planet X and maybe a couple of other subjects, but we'll get to that.
		I'm crushingly disappointed.
		Well, maybe it's coming art.
		I got calls before the show.
		It might be coming art.
		They did tell me one interesting thing that I don't know how I missed.
		Do you know the Vatican's telescope is called Lucifer?
		I had not heard that.
		I always heard the mountain it was on.
		I never heard that the Vatican actually called their telescope Lucifer.
		Is that true, really?
		Would they really call it Lucifer?
		That doesn't seem likely.
		That seems more likely a, I don't know, you know, an internet thing or something.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So out of money and relegated once again to the back of the pack, former governor Rick Perry of Texas said, okay, that's enough.
		I quit.
		Technically, what they say is I suspend my operations.
		But that's what it is.
		He's out.
		And so Perry is number one to go down, and they're going to be going down like bowling pins here shortly.
		Let's see.
		From NASA, we have received new pictures, and Ceres has very, very mysterious bright spots in it.
		And there's a lot more detail now, and they do look intriguingly a lot more like they're completely inexplicable, a lot more like, frankly, city lights viewed from space.
		Now, as you may or may not know, Richard C. Hoagland follows my program.
		He will be examining all these in detail, and I'm sure he's pretty convinced we're looking at L.A. there on Sirius.
		We've joked about that, but I don't think he's joking about that.
		So that'll be coming up after my show.
		My show is going to be, I don't know what it's going to be, it's going to be open lines.
		Anything paranormal you want to talk about is fair game.
		But I really am looking for, let me give out a special line.
		If I can find one of those people who emails me and says stuff like, Blanx is coming hard, hurry, get somebody on.
		There's not much time left.
unidentified		It's going to crush us like bugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then call this number, area code 575-208-7787.
		And if I sufficiently believe you when you call, I will then put you on hold, and I will get a person who does not believe we're going to be crushed like bugs, and we'll have a little bit of a debate and see how that goes.
		So again, the Planet X, we're all going to die.
		People.
		Area code 575-208-7787.
		Have you seen the new Apple stuff?
		It was all unveiled, and I don't know.
		They have, you know, the Apple TV, all that stuff.
		Interesting.
		I'm always looking for big changes in the basic phone itself.
		And it seemed like to me in the middle models, eh, you don't get that kind of change.
		Anyway, as I mentioned, open lines, completely open lines.
		And toward that end, I'll do my usual hated description of how to call the show with Skype, okay?
		Here it comes.
		We'll see how quickly I can do it.
		If you have any kind of smartphone, you can download Skype.
		It is free.
		And all you do is put it on your phone, go to your toy store or whatever, get Skype, put it on.
		Once you've got it, it's so easy.
		You go to add a contact, not where you dial.
		I get a lot of people emailing saying, I keep putting it in there and it wants numbers.
		No, not there.
		Add a contact, a little plus sign in the upper right-hand corner usually.
		And you put our initials in.
		Midnight in the desert, MITD.
		That's all you do.
		MITD 51 covers all of North America.
		So you put in MITD 51.
		And if you're outside of North America, you would, oh, we're already getting a candidate here.
		Outside North America, the rest of the world, it's MITD55.
		M-I-T-D-5-5.
		And after that, you don't have to connect to me.
		After that, you'll find us in the contact list.
		You can press call, and you will indeed call us.
		Let me check out a candidate here for Planet X. Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello there.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		Well, I'm so honored to be on your program.
		Thank you very much for sticking to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
unidentified		Well, I just want to say I was turned onto your show in 1995.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you calling about Planet X?
unidentified		Of course, yes.
		You are.
		And I recommend reading Steven King.
		He would be a great guest also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I don't have him.
		I have you.
		Are you prepared to make an impassioned argument that we're all about to be crushed like bugs?
unidentified		Yes, and there's an informed argument based on Stephen King.
unidentified		We have insectoid...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, why not Zachariah Sitchin or, I don't know, any...
unidentified		Well, yes.
unidentified		Of course, we can't talk about truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean we can't talk about truth?
		All right, no, I disqualify you as a candidate, but I can't talk about truth.
		If you don't think that Planet X is about to crush us, then you're not a good candidate for this debate.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like you're in a vehicle or something.
unidentified		Well, I am, but I'm not driving.
unidentified		It's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		It's not going to crush us, but it's the mothership coming back to get somebody who's been taking over our whole planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not going to crush us, but it's the mothership.
unidentified		Yeah.
		What it is, is the two that people have been calling Satan and God for years have actually been doing real shit on us for the past few thousand years.
		And all the gods before them were doing it, but these guys were just more successful.
		They're actually like prospectors or speculators from this Planet X. They've been around here since they came here.
		They've been using us.
		They've been getting people who will believe in them.
		They wrote this thing called the Bible to try to get people to buy into their story.
		And now they're at the point where they've got people, like, look at our politics today.
		They're using that Bible as a reason to be able to totally destroy our own world.
		They've been taking everything from it.
		But now that our world is about dead, or close to it, by the time Planet X gets here, it'll be really close to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how soon do you think Planet X is coming?
unidentified		I don't have that information, but I know that about the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'm sorry.
unidentified		Listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, hon, I appreciate your call, but I'm going to keep looking.
		You can't imagine what I get in emails.
		And I want somebody who's going to lay it out here the way they do in emails.
		Come on, have the guts.
		If you're going to email me and tell me about how we're all going to die, and it's too soon, too, and it's Planet X, then for goodness sakes, call me.
		Area code 575-208-7787.
		Then once I get somebody like that, then we'll get somebody on the other side, and we'll have a little bit of a debate.
		And then maybe if it's a good debate, we'll do another one.
		If not, we'll just do plain open lines, all right?
		So we'll figure that out.
		But if you are a Planet X Raw-Going to Die person, area code 575-208-7787.
		That said, we're going to take a break.
		And when we come back, we're going to mine the phones.
		That's a good way to put it, isn't it?
		We're going to mine the phones.
		Because like Zachariah said, we'd be mining the gold.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Midnight in the Desert.
		Periscope later.
unidentified		A clock strikes 12, and Midnight in the Desert is pounding Package Your Way on the Dark Matter Digital Network.
		To call the show, please direct your fingertips to dial 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952.
		Call Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's where we are.
		I don't have a Planet X person, but boy, I have got a person who says that an asteroid is going to hit us on September 23rd.
		And that's really soon.
		That's really soon.
unidentified		And so I'm looking for somebody to have a little debate with this person.
unidentified		September 23rd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Might as well be Planet X, huh?
		So let's look around and see what we find.
		And let's see here.
		Hello on the phone.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, I'm looking for somebody to argue with this gentleman who says we're all dead on the 23rd.
unidentified		Oh, no, I can't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't do that?
		All right, well, then, thank you very much for the call.
		We'll keep looking around.
		Okay.
		Once again, we're looking for somebody to argue with this gentleman who says we're all dead on the 23rd.
		Hello?
		No, huh?
		Hello there.
unidentified		Oh, hello, Arbel.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you like to have a conversation with this person who says we're going to die on the 23rd?
unidentified		No, that's not why I'm calling.
unidentified		I'll hang up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		I'll take your call.
		I'll hold on to this person.
		They're on hold.
		And they will be quiet, right?
unidentified		Caller?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're actually going to die on the 23rd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		From all the research I've done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		Can't beat that.
		Not that kind of research.
		All right, so, ma'am, I'll go right ahead.
unidentified		Well, this is Sharon calling from Winnipeg, Canada, and I can't believe the luck I have in getting through to you, but I just want to take a minute and just comment.
		You know, when you're talking about how people can use the smartphone to download Skype, right?
		Sure.
		Okay, well, you know how today, in 2015, the language used now is abbreviated and shortened.
		And if you allow me, I just want to give you, you know how you introduce yourself and you're saying, I'm Mark Bell at Midnight in the Desert, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, something like that.
unidentified		Okay, well, I was thinking to help me remember, it would go something like this.
		Yes, I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Midnight in the Desert.
		AB at MITD.
		Rocking On on American Skype Highway, MITD 51.
		From around the world, rocking at you live on Skype Highway, MITD 55.
		Yes, I'm Art Bell, rocking on in Rock Steady.
		So come join me in my own oasis at midnight in the desert.
		And that's how I'll remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's sweet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very, very much.
unidentified		Well, thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		All right.
		Let's go to real quick to Florida and say hello.
		Hello, Florida.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing well, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I'd be happy to debate with this gentleman about the 23rd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My name is Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike.
		Okay, someone's breathing into the mics, so stop that.
		I think it's my we're going to die on the 23rd, guy.
		And what is your first name, please?
unidentified		Ronald.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ronald?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Ronald.
		Lay out your case.
		Mike, feel free to interrupt when he starts getting silly.
		We're going to die on the 23rd.
		So that's how many days from now?
		That's not many, huh?
unidentified		No, not many.
		In fact, my wife and I have been researching this for many months now, and we are getting out of Los Angeles, California, and heading up towards Mount Shasta on the 13th because we believe the window is going to be, well, it's going to hit on the 23rd, and on about the 25th or 26th, the dust is going to settle, and then things will kind of be back to normal around the 28th.
		But the asteroid is supposed to hit Puerto Rico on the 23rd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike, you're breathing into the phone there.
unidentified		I apologize.
unidentified		Sorry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, just don't do that.
		All right, Ronald.
		So you're leaving L.A. Not a bad idea anyway.
unidentified		Yeah, we went to Northridge and then now we're going to go to Mount Shasta.
unidentified		We're going to go up and we're going to work on getting into Telos, actually, through psychic communication that we've been getting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		So we're going to go up to Mount Shasta and wait it out.
unidentified		Then after that, if Florida's still there, we're headed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Florida?
		Can I ask a question just to clarify?
		This thing that's going to hit us, how can you possibly know where it's going to hit?
unidentified		That was exactly my question that was going to come out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Mike.
unidentified		Well, I've been watching a lot of documentaries and videos on YouTube and reading a lot of different information that say that most of it agrees that the area that it's going to hit is going to be Puerto Rico on the 23rd, and it's supposed to split the United States in half.
		Some conspiracy theorists think that it might be a Tesla Ray that's going to strike instead as part of a government, you know, whatever the global military industrial complex is doing.
		But I think it's going to be an asteroid.
		So does my wife, because one hit Russia in 2014 or 13 or last year, and then one just hit Iran this year.
		So I think it's pretty much incoming debris as part of a larger two and a half mile wide asteroid that's going to impact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike?
unidentified		Okay.
		What official information sources do you have that can actually corroborate this besides the YouTube?
		Because anything YouTube, I normally write off, because YouTube has probably told us since 2000.
		Well, I called the Jet Propulsion Lab.
		I called the Jet Propulsion Laboratory out of NASA to ask them about it, and they would not discuss any incoming asteroid, any asteroid theories.
		So I went to the only source that I know of that might be, that someone could take seriously and called them.
		And I even have a recording of that video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Caller, hold on a moment.
		What I'm going to do is I'm going to move on to another person to debate you because Mike is heavily breathing into his phone.
		So let's go overseas to Michelle.
		Where are you, Michelle?
unidentified		I'm in Japan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Japan.
		All right.
		So you're in danger, too.
unidentified		I guess so.
		I'm always in danger here.
		We just had a five earthquake in Tokyo Bay this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to debate this guy who says we're going to die?
unidentified		I'll give it a try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Yes.
		Well, you've heard so far what he's had to say, right?
unidentified		I have.
		And first of all, I would like to say that I'm not buying it just because that day is my birthday.
		So there's my little loohoo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a little weak, Michelle.
unidentified		Yeah, that's my woo-hoo logic.
		Recently, though, you had someone on, I think it was you or Richard had someone on that was talking about asteroids and how we measure them and the chances of them hitting.
		And they said that the possibility of us knowing where one's going to hit, even if we knew it was coming, would be virtually impossible until it got within the moon, which at that point, it's either going to be too late.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		27,000 miles out.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		So how could they even pinpoint Puerto Rico unless they're using some sort of prophecy or some logic like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a good question.
		How about it?
		Ronald, is it prophecy that's leading you to all this?
unidentified		Well, honestly, I'm wondering the same thing myself.
unidentified		I'm going Only by what I've been finding based on what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, what is all that noise?
unidentified		Oh, it's just some stuff that was moving here.
		Sorry, here, I'm away from the noise.
		But here's some of it.
		Consider this quote: The powers that be will teach you how to live in television and hide the truth in movies.
		So I started doing research in some movies by major producers like Steven Spielberg and J.J. Abrams and started looking at the signs in these movies.
		And we kept seeing, my wife and I kept seeing 923 showing up, like in Doomsday, 2012, Armageddon, Deep Impact, 923.
		And we're going to be able to do that.
		No, the reason for that is because it is one of the equinoxes.
		It shows up in a lot of things just because it is traditionally an important day.
		It's one of the four changes of the seasons.
		Yeah, that's also true.
		And it could also be predictive programming also where our consciousness actually leads to some kind of cataclysmic event.
		And that could be true, but again, how does that lead to an asteroid or meteor or whatever?
		Based on the research that I've been looking at, is that a large, there's a lot of people out there who really believe that it is an asteroid, especially since there's been two asteroid impacts very recently, and that this is just a little bit incoming debris from the larger asteroid.
		So let me then go on to this question then, I guess, is what is the damage?
		I mean, you said something about America being split in half.
		Is there any casualty estimates here?
		Are they saying, you know, millions and millions or everyone on Earth is going to die or what?
		Well, this could be an extinction level event.
		If it kicks up enough dust into the air to cloud out the sun to put us into a mini ice age, it could last up to two years where we would have to go underground.
		The only people that are going to survive would be those in the deep underground military bunkers, like at Denver International Airport or Iron Mountain or Mount Weather, places like that.
		So I think that we are, and the government and the military has been preparing for it for a while now.
		In fact, they just reopened NORAD, I think, and there are a lot of – and now Jade Helm is going on in the United States, and that's not due to end until September 15th.
		Other than shoot some giant laser at it or something?
		I mean, the mobilizing, you know, doing drills.
		Jade Helm is a major mobilizing force isn't going to do doodly squat for an asteroid, is it?
		So how would that be really?
		Well, Jade Helm is a military exercise that's been going on since July 15th out of Northern Command.
		I don't know if you've ever heard of Northern Command.
		Northern Command is...
		It's managing civilians.
		It's managing on-the-ground threats.
		It's not, I mean, it's, you know, you could make the argument that it's revolutionary takeover kind of stuff, but it's not something that's going to affect an asteroid.
		If an asteroid hits, it doesn't matter what kind of tanks or military or what you've got on the ground, it's gone, right?
		So how does that affect that?
		I don't think that they're in place to protect from the asteroid.
		I think they're in place to handle the aftermath of the impact.
		But if what you're saying is, you know, near extinction level ice age and all that kind of stuff, they're not going to do anything.
		If they're the government and they know this is going to happen, what they're going to do is they're going to get their butt off the planet.
		They're not going to fool around with Jade Helm.
		How are they going to get off the planet?
		Well, I mean, if we're going on these conspiracies and all this kind of stuff, that they know that this is asteroids coming and they're doing all this preparing and all this stuff, don't you think that they would, if all this is true, don't you think that they have some sort of method to get off the planet?
		Oh, I certainly agree that they're 50 years beyond any of the technology that we know of.
		I worked in the Department of Defense and the intelligence community for 13 years and held the top secret clearance, and I understand what's really going on behind the scenes.
		That's why I'm going to go ahead and go to the next one.
		Wouldn't it make sense instead of spending these vast amount of resources years in advance to do this big military exercise when you know that this Earth, this asteroid or whatever is coming, wouldn't it make sense to channel all your funds to just getting off?
		Or getting, you know, even if it's a small group, you know, one of those, what was that?
		You're looking at funding and financing from a civilian perspective.
		The fake one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, one at a time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ronald, what was that?
unidentified		I told her that she's looking at funding and financing from a civilian perspective.
		The military government, they write the checks.
		Money isn't really an issue to them.
		Don't you know that the IRS just lost $11 trillion that they refuse to take any responsibility for?
		It's money.
		But I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see how Jade Helm could be connected to this.
		Because it seems to me like if this is as big as everyone's saying, you know, you can kiss your butt goodbye.
		Who cares?
		There's no need for Jade Helm if what you're saying is going to happen.
		Well, let's say Jade Helm is supposed to end on September 15th and President, and by the way, the Pope is coming to the United States to meet with the United Nations on the 23rd of September.
		But let's just say the government does tell us, hey, we've spotted an incoming body that's an extinction level event type of an asteroid, and all hell breaks loose.
		Now they have to, and a lot of people know that there are these deep underground military bunkers and safe places to go underground.
		But do you really think they would tell us if they knew it was going to happen, if they knew it was going to hit and it was game over and there was nothing they could do about it, do you really think they would even bother telling us?
		I think they would be forced to when basically novice astronomers and civilians start coming out saying, hey, we're spotting this in the atmosphere and it's heavy.
		We're 15 days away or less.
		Where are they then?
		Where are the amateur astronomers and all that stuff saying it?
		There are you can get.
		Exactly.
		Where else are we supposed to find them?
		The news media isn't going to report them because they don't want to stir anything.
		And the news is controlled by the government corporations.
		These are billionaires that control all the news.
		They're not going to let these amateur astronomers come on and start running those kinds of stories, even if we know and I know and whoever else knows is out there in the streets even picketing and holding up.
		Okay, look, you two are great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you both hold on through the break here?
		Sure.
		Okay, then hold on.
		Be noise-free.
unidentified		And man, that's just a few days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have such a short time to live.
		He's moving.
		I'm staying.
unidentified		God ain't fired up.
		Keeping my mind.
		She hears only whispers of some quiet conversation.
		Teardrop all the way.
		While midnight sweeps across America, you've found an oasis for the mind.
		To call midnight in the desert, please dial 1-952-CALLARS.
		That's 1-952-225-5278.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, baby, we've got a good one going on.
		We've got Ronald on the phone in Southern California, and Ronald is convinced that we are about to die.
		In fact, in 12 days, on the 23rd, he says, an asteroid will smash into us, destroying the United States, or cutting it in half at the very least.
		And I guess, and it's going to hit Puerto Rico, right, Ronald?
unidentified		Yes, Archie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this hard evidence comes from YouTube.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then now we're mixing movies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Mixing TV shows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're committed.
		I'm giving it to you, Ronald.
		Baby, you're committed.
		You're picking your stuff up.
		You're packing it up and you're leaving.
		So that's how much you're leaving.
unidentified		My wife and I made our packing list two days ago, and we just went shopping yesterday and today.
		We've got all our supplies, and we're getting our tent ready.
		We're going to Ronald, Ronald, hold on, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Michelle is safe over there in Japan?
unidentified		Oh, Japan.
		Yeah.
		You know, I think everything is going to get flooded out.
		It's going to cause the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Japan is an island, so, you know, I guess...
unidentified		Anybody who's above ground, anybody who's less than one mile above ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Jade Helm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jade Helm, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Jade Helm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going to take control of all of us.
		All right.
		Michelle, you're back at it.
unidentified		Okay.
		During the break, I did a little bit of research on this because I don't actually know a whole lot about it.
		And the only thing that I could find that seems to be the source of this is a preacher named Efrien Rodriguez, I think it said, who has started this whole thing.
		And then a lot of other people kind of jumped on it and tried looking for signs for it.
		So that means that this is, of course, a biblical prophecy.
		Now, in my view, of course, biblically, God says in the Bible that he would not destroy the earth by a flood ever again after the first one.
		And if you look at the way it goes up to the end times, there seems to be no mention of any time where humanity is just going to get killed off.
		It doesn't really say that.
		My personal goal is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, I can't stand it.
		I've got to say something.
		You are in North Hollywood, California, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		So everybody, you mentioned movies earlier.
		In every movie of destruction of every kind, the Hollywood sign goes first.
unidentified		That's right.
		And I'm not going to be standing underneath that thing.
		I'll be way gone before that.
		That's why I moved to Northridge, Art.
		I'm on the other side of the Hollywood.
		My number's from North Hollywood.
		That's where I started.
		Then I lived in the Valley a little bit.
		And I lived in Hollywood.
		I lived in East L.A., which if you're a gringo, do not do.
		And now I'm in Northridge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you're dead anyway, you know, on the 23rd.
unidentified		Well, no, I'm going to be safe because I'm going to be underground.
		My wife and I and our dog and our cat, we are going to be underground.
		We've been planning for this for some time now.
		We've been actively receiving communication.
		We're working on getting in there and being received by the Talosians.
		I mean, the ground could close on you.
		You're not completely safe just because you're underground.
		If we're a mile underground, then you're going to be safe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to be a mile underground?
unidentified		Yes, a mile underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I'm turning my pot down.
unidentified		I do have my prescription, by the way, but I do not smoke.
		Oh, I don't even know where to go with that one.
		Josh, so I guess my view is, you know, there's a little theory about how the universe changes itself based on our observations and that it's us observing it that seems to keep it going.
		The consciousness seems to keep it going.
		That's the theory of relativity.
		Right.
		Well, my question would be...
		How could the universe even sustain that?
		How could everything just die?
		All of the consciousness will not be killed out because, like I said, there's those deep underground military bunkers that are controlled by the global military-industrial complex.
		And those bunkers are two and a half miles underneath the Earth.
		They work on a mercury isotope for their nuclear generators.
		And I know that firsthand from one of the guys who built the Denver International.
		Okay, so are you a religious person?
		You know, I was raised Catholic, and I would say I have become more of a person who believes this.
		Photons emitted by the sun carry the intelligence of our consciousness that interacts with our subconscious mind, and our subconscious mind, interacting with photons, creates an apparent physical reality that is not really physical.
		I believe that.
		And we can move, we can do anything we want with our subconscious as long as we can control it, but our subconscious is being controlled by the psychological operations program of the global military-industrial conflict.
		Right.
		That says a lot.
		Okay, well.
		It is a lot.
		I was raised in a Baptist school for 13 years, and I heard nothing but doomsday prophecies ever since I was a kid.
		And none of the ones that I heard ever came true.
		I guess my thought is that even biblically, if you want to go by the Bible on this one, even biblically, this doesn't fall in line with the prophecies of the end times.
		There's so many other things that would have had to have happened first and would happen after.
		It doesn't seem to even fit that.
		Well, you know, what would be the point of the completed document?
		I mean, biblically, what would be the point?
		Why would God do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not the prophecy of YouTube.
unidentified		Well, yeah.
		What would be the point of allowing this to happen?
		Is that what you're asking?
		For God, yes.
		if the theory of the guy who created this is that God is sending this asteroid, why?
		Well, God, that would be if God is sending this asteroid.
		Have you ever heard of the term Ordo Astal?
		I know you're saying God is sending this asteroid, but the guy who created the theory is saying that God is sending this asteroid.
		I'm asking you to respond to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ronald, Ronald, Ronald, give us evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the 23rd, we'd already be able to see it, right?
unidentified		Well, the best evidence I had are the recent asteroids that struck, one in Russia and one very recently in Iran.
unidentified		That's not evidence of something coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's something already that came.
unidentified		I do not have first-hand evidence from an astrology point of view where I've looked in a telescope and seen this body moving at me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Michelle, I'm sorry, I can't stop myself.
		Listen to me, Ronald.
		If you have first-hand evidence of anything, or if you don't have it, I'm sorry to say, if you don't have it, then you should not be packing your car and getting ready to haul your wife.
		And do you have children?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		But yourself and your wife off to a place where you think you might survive this thing that's good.
		How are you going to feel if it doesn't happen?
unidentified		Actually, I'll feel happy because I have an after plan, too.
		And we'll treat it like a nice two-week vacation, and maybe we will get into sellout.
		But at least I know I will give myself the best chance to survive.
		I'm not tied down to a job.
		I'm a writer, a movie maker.
		I write books about this kind of thing and make movies about it.
		There we go.
		So you have some skin.
		What about financially in this job?
		Hey, I started out as a government intelligence operative and turned into a filmmaker who's trying to get rid of the global military-industrial complex.
		So this isn't about anything, any kind of an agenda or pre-thought that I've had.
		Well, it seems like, I mean, it seems like it couldn't be anything but agenda if there's no actual physical evidence for it, anything but just prophecy and some movies online that make money.
		I can't think of anything else.
		Okay, well, is there evidence that it's not going to happen?
		Well, no, but that doesn't prove anything.
		That just already has already happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		All right, Ronald, Ronald.
		Ronald, Ronald, Ronald, thank you.
		And Michelle, thank you.
		I'm not sure where we're going with that.
		I'm not sure you can make a case or should even try to make a case that rocks have fallen previously, and therefore it is going to happen.
		I think you're still going to pack the car up and go.
		All right.
		We may do some other debates as the night goes on.
		I have endless topics that we could debate.
		But he's ready to move.
		You've got to give it to him.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's know where to go.
		Here's somebody called Paranormal Radio calling.
		So let's see who they are.
		It's on Skype.
		Hello.
unidentified		Holy crap, Art.
		I just put on my headset.
		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, my gosh.
		That was amazing.
		I got through.
		I'm actually ready to take on somebody who believes in Planet X because I'm all set to do it.
		So hopefully we don't move on to something else.
		Can we talk about this some more?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Planet X line is ringing, so I'll.
unidentified		Yeah, answer it.
unidentified		Well, I'll hang up because I'm calling it there, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
unidentified		I mean, I'll hang up on the line because I was calling you on the phone, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, whoever was calling on the Planet X is Going to Kill Us line is gone.
unidentified		That was me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you believe that Planet X is going to kill us?
unidentified		No, I believe it's not going to kill us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then why would you call me on the Planet X is Going to Kill Us line?
unidentified		Well, I'm calling you on Skype now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you were hedging your bets.
unidentified		I guess I didn't hear you correctly on the first part.
		So I'm ready.
		Let's get the other side going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, what do you think about Ronald?
		He's packed up, ready to go.
		23 days all over.
unidentified		I think Ronald's crazy.
		I think it's a bunch of hype.
		And I've got many reasons why it's a bunch of hype.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think he wants to make a movie.
unidentified		I don't know if you want to hear those reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, sure.
		I'll listen.
		A bunch of hype.
		Why?
unidentified		Well, I mean, where do you want to start?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the beginning.
		It's hype.
		Why?
unidentified		Well, it's hype because it's just like any other event.
		Y2K.
		Sorry, Art, I've got to grab something on the other side of the room.
		Hang tight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Apparently he had a written outline of something that he's going to go get.
		It's interesting to me, and of course, everybody wraps this into Jade Helm as well.
unidentified		Well, I will say that, Art, you're going to have a heck of a time staying on the air that night, so you shouldn't plan a guest.
		Really?
		But let's start with this fact that, I mean, there's more than 1,500 of these potentially hazardous asteroids that are already out there.
		If you want to talk about the TC-4, I mean, that's expected to hit us in 2017.
		It already missed us in 2012.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which side of the argument are you on?
unidentified		I'm against Planet X. Planet X is not going.
		The asteroid is not going to hit us.
		You think Planet X is a hoax?
		Well, Planet X might be real, but there's not going to be an asteroid that kills us on the 23rd.
		That's what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, okay, so you're a Planet X believer, but not the asteroid on the 23rd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When is Planet X coming?
unidentified		Well, I think Planet X. Sorry, I was prepared to talk about the asteroid tonight, but you're getting all mixed up, sir.
unidentified		But I think Planet X is a very good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't know if you're for or again, either one.
unidentified		Okay, let's start with this, the asteroid.
		The asteroid is not going to hit us.
		CERN is not going to blow up the planet.
		Jadehelm is not the Rapture.
		So anybody who has that idea that on the 23rd that's what's going to happen, I think is crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
		Well, I don't know about crazy, but all right, let me just check quickly on my Planet X line.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think we're about to get hit by Planet X?
unidentified		Actually, I don't know.
unidentified		I kind of want to know whether the other person thinks we're going to get hit by Planet X. I'm not really sure on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, see, this is my Planet X line.
		Only if you believe we're about to be crushed by Planet X should you call that number.
		Okay.
		All right, thank you.
		All right.
		So that number is 575.
		Eric, that's 575-208-7787.
		If you think we're about to get crushed by Planet X, I'm almost done with this anyway because I don't think anybody has any evidence other than YouTube, which you can find anything up there.
		The one thing I did learn tonight that I thought was interesting was that the telescope that they're using, the Catholic Church, has put in in Arizona, is called Lucifer.
		Did you know that, color?
unidentified		I believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe it, but you didn't know it.
unidentified		Didn't know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you do.
unidentified		I always get facts from you, Art.
unidentified		I mean, this 923.15.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I mean, let's be honest.
		The odds of us getting hit by anything.
		And whether we're talking about an asteroid, whether we're talking about Planet X hitting us, whether we're talking about CERN, which, by the way, if you put 92315 into Google Maps, I've noticed it doesn't take you to CERN anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where does it take you now?
unidentified		It doesn't take you anywhere.
		It says it can't find it.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if you're a conspiracy person, that's even more suspicious.
		Why would it change?
		I am my Planet X-Line.
		Are you there?
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hi, Planet X-Line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's right.
unidentified		Well, I'm here to debate your person that you've got on there anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why, you think we're about to get hit by Planet X?
unidentified		I know we're in the passing of Planet X right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, first of all, turn off your radio or whatever it is you've got on.
unidentified		Extinguish your device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Yep.
		Okay.
		I'm ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're in the path of Planet X and we're all going to die.
unidentified		We're all going to die if we do not take cover, have some kind of protection, especially if there's not some kind of a metal shelter or storm drain that you can get into in a hurry, that's for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a storm drain would protect you?
unidentified		For sure, because we're going to get pelted with tons and tons of different asteroids all over the planet.
		And how do you expect to lift this manhole cover off of all of this stuff that's going to fall onto it?
		I'm curious of that.
		How am I going to lift the manhole cover off?
		I'm going to get in there hopefully before it starts happening.
		But eventually you'll need to come out, right?
		Eventually you're not going to live there forever.
		I'm not going to live there forever.
		I'm just going to have myself set up so that I can get to a spot like that if I need to, if this were to happen.
		What if there should be flooding?
		What if this is a weather cataclysmic event?
		That's exactly why I've purchased property on the side of a mountain that's way above sea level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does that have to do with the manhole coverage?
unidentified		Yeah, so manhole or mountain?
		What are we talking about?
		On the mountain, there's also areas around me that have storm drains and manholes that I know the location of.
		What kind of mountains are you familiar with?
		What kind of mountains am I familiar with?
		Most mountains I know are like dirt and rock, not sewers and metal.
		Could be wrong on that one, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
		The town that I bought the property in, they have a sewage, brand new sewage treatment system that they just put in.
		So there's manholes and storm drains all over the place, as well as there's cave systems that I can hide in as well.
		But again, flooding.
		I think I'm better set up than somebody who doesn't think that this is going to happen because there's much more.
		What's this person's name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your name?
unidentified		My name's Cody.
		Cody.
		Cody, you haven't addressed my question.
		If there's flooding underground, how do you expect to survive that?
		If there's flooding underground, as I've told you, I've got multiple options for survival.
		So if there's a flood, I've got the mountain.
		If there's asteroids that start pelting us, I've got a cave that I can't.
		How do you get out of a manhole when there's debris on top of it and make yourself into a mountain?
		I don't need to go into a manhole.
		A manhole would be a good suggestion for somebody who's in a city who doesn't have the means to get to a cave or something on a mountain that could protect them.
		But it still doesn't explain a cataclysmic weather event wiping you out.
		How does it not explain a cataclysmic weather event wiping you out?
		Well, it's science.
		There's so much evidence to show that we're on the cusp of something like that happening right now to say that that's not going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I can't stand it.
		What is the evidence?
		The evidence.
unidentified		What is the evidence?
		There's tons of things.
		Just give me some of it.
		You've given me evidence yesterday on your talk show through talk telling me about these Inuits that are living up in the north who have noticed for the last three years that the sun has changed positions.
		We've got the Vatican case.
		The Pope and Obama are claiming that climate change is what's causing all these events to happen on the planet.
		Why would I'm not going to trust Obama, who's standing there looking like it's a PR campaign on a glacier telling me that global warming is being caused by humanity when the Vatican has a telescope in Arizona that they had to fight very hard, named Lucifer, to build, that they've had for over 10, 20 years now.
		It's the biggest infrared telescope in the world.
		What are they looking for?
		Are they telling us our fault and it's global warming?
		They know something bigger is going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you honestly think it's good advice to tell people to go into a manhole when there could be tsunamis coming over and the manhole would fill up real quick, right?
unidentified		Personally, it is good advice from evidence that I've heard from people.
		Let's have you do that.
		Let's have you test that out, and then I'll fill it full of water and to see how long you last.
		We could do that right now.
		You can laugh at it all you want.
		I'm just saying that there were people who, in the 1950s, guys who came out trying to expose Planet X, who talked about how when Planet X was going to pass.
		But it never gets.
		I think it's backed up through holy tech.
		Have you said that's going to happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you guys, listen.
		I've got to break and I've got to go, and I've got to think about manholes and stuff like that.
		I appreciate your call.
		Continue with Open Lines.
unidentified		I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles.
		Oh, yeah.
		I can see for miles and miles.
		Remember, when calling midnight in the desert, let the phone ring until answered.
		These calls are unscreened for your listening pleasure.
		Call 1-952-Call Art.
		That's 1-952-225-5278.
		They are unscreened for your listening pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm still thinking of Ronald.
		Stuffing the car full of stuff.
		Headed up north.
unidentified		And then the other thing that I'm thinking about is a manhole cover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, we don't even have any of those around here.
		So I guess that's it.
		I am going to change my line around now.
		That special line is now going to be a line for an atheist, a rabid atheist.
		So I'm going to clear that line right now.
		Oh, it's busy.
		I'm sorry.
		I'm clearing the line.
		I want a rabid atheist.
		We'll have a debate about that.
		Terry code 575-208-7787.
		Otherwise, we're going to go through open lines and just talk to random people as we go.
		Hello there.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		This is Kevin, Colorado Springs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Kevin.
unidentified		I've got the absolute killer reason why this asteroid is not going to happen.
		Ronald himself said it.
		The Pope is coming to America on that same day.
		Why would the Pope fly to America on the day an asteroid isn't coming?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got the answer to that.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because he thinks it's going to hit Italy.
unidentified		Oh, that sounds about as good as Ronald's reasoning, and the man will cover it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I watch YouTube.
		I mean, that would be the reason why the Pope would clear out of Italy, right?
		I mean, you've got to give me that.
unidentified		Yeah, but then there are so many other places to go that would be more well protected than New York City in the middle of a disaster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw ex-Mayor Giuliani was interviewed a number of times on CNN today, and he now states that New York is much safer than a lot of other places in the country, cities.
unidentified		Well, that may be true, but we've seen what happens when the lights go out in New York, and it's not pretty.
unidentified		I'm here in Colorado Springs, where NORAD is, and I would much rather be here in Colorado Springs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're like a ground zero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you're at like ground zero then, right?
unidentified		Yeah, so when the lights do go out, it'll be...
		Probably more like 20.
		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, you can't imagine.
		The reason I did this is, again, because my email is just absolutely peppered with people who say, all right, it's coming.
		It's coming.
		Planet X is bearing down on us.
		We're all going to die.
		And I thought we could get these people on the air, but they don't come on.
		I admit we did get Ronald, and he's probably in motion by now.
		On my special line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Ian.
unidentified		My name is Ian Joyce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't take last names on the air, so just Ian.
		Okay, that'll have to do.
		What's on your mind, Ian?
unidentified		Oh, it was just, you know, the whole entire Nebrewich.
		I'm sorry.
		It's the whole entire Planet X thing.
		It was just, it's stupid.
		I mean, because what is Planet X?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, all right, but see, this is now my atheist line, Ian.
		So you'll have to call.
		I know it's stupid.
		It seems stupid to me, too.
		But one day...
		One day one of these things may happen.
		Of course, none of these people would be around to say, I told you so, or anything like that.
		Unless I had the right manhole cover, I guess.
		Hello there.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can hear you just fine, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I'm in Baton Roch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Okay, hey.
unidentified		Is this Open Lines, or do I have to discuss Flint Lines?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's Open Lines now.
unidentified		Okay, I have a request for you, Mr. Bell.
		Sure.
		Okay, I used Ouija boards in the past.
		I know you had a story that you don't want to discuss your experience with the Ouija board.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not going to talk about it, right?
unidentified		You don't want to, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I won't.
unidentified		Can I make a suggestion?
		Yes.
		Okay.
		Could you record that story in detail, and then upon your passing, you release it publicly on your website?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		You don't want to?
		Okay, I respect that.
		Hey, I want to say thank you for all the years of great radio, and I appreciate it.
		Oh, you're very welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for calling, and take care.
		No.
		what happened with the Ouija board was not good.
		You know, I'll go that far.
		I'll just say not good.
		Okay?
		And I'm going to leave it at that now, and probably forever.
		Hello on Skype.
		It just says disconnected 76.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you disconnected?
unidentified		It feels that way sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so what's up?
unidentified		Well, since it's open lines, I first of all just wanted to, of course, you know, like everybody else, welcome back to the radio.
		Thank you.
		But what I was really wondering is, you know, over the years, we've heard so many stories on your show about alien encounters and, you know, of course, you're seeing the object above you.
		Yes.
		I was curious that have you ever been shown anything or been told a story that you felt that you could say it was 100% there has to be this story is true?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the one I told you about the craft I saw.
		I mean, honestly, what else, you know, otherwise it's stories on the phone, right?
		Whether it's from guests or callers or it's any secondhand knowledge is exactly that, secondhand or thirdhand knowledge.
		When you see something and experience it yourself, then 100%.
unidentified		Well, you know, I can relate to that a bit because my wife and I recently moved up into, we're in Minneapolis and we moved up into a high-rise apartment.
unidentified		And so we can see, you know, miles and miles out at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like the song I play.
unidentified		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you don't have a manhole cover up that high, do you?
unidentified		No, I don't, but I have a garbage chute.
		I guess that would probably be just a statement.
		And, you know, it occurs to me that I think that there could be a lot more of these sightings if people would just look up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		I've said that for years and years, that if people would go outside and actually look up, I mean, you miss so much by not looking up.
		So occasionally, at least, folks, look up at the stars.
		Spend a moment looking at stuff.
		You'll see a lot.
unidentified		Yeah.
		We'll sit out on the balcony here, and I can't say that it's a nightly occurrence or anything like that, but I have multiple pictures and videos of just odd, strange things going on in the sky.
		And the only reason that I'm seeing it is because we are just basically just sitting here scanning the sky at night, you know, when we're out smoking a cigarette on the patio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, circling back, thank you very much for the call, circling back to what you said, the only thing that I can say 100% is what happened to me, what I saw, what I experienced, that I can guarantee you.
		But, you know, you can't really take that to the bank any further than I can take one to the bank that is said to me.
		I sort of judge them by the way they're told and how people, I don't know, the emotion in their voices or their, you know, the expression on their faces when they tell a story like that.
		And I can assign a certain percentage of belief to it.
		But the only thing that you can say you absolutely believe in is something you experience yourself.
		Let me go to my special line.
		I think it's Denver.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		You wanted a rabbit atheist, correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that you?
unidentified		Well, that is me.
		They call me Devil Britsen on Twitter, but it's only because I lived in Iowa.
		And growing up and not believing in God in Iowa, everybody just assumed you were some sort of Satan worshiper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I don't think you're a Satan worshiper, but you would say conclusively there is no God.
unidentified		I honestly, I have to go ahead and say that because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on then.
		All right, now I want somebody to debate that.
		I doubt that's going to be hard to find.
		But I want a good, lively debate.
		So we've got ourselves...
		No, maybe not yet.
		We'll hold on to it.
		He's an absolute atheist.
		Anybody want to try and argue with an atheist?
		It's not easy.
		Let's sort of check the lines as we go.
		Atheists, just hang in there.
		We'll find somebody for you, I guarantee.
		Hello there.
		You're on air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, it's Johnny from PA.
unidentified		I don't particularly want to argue with the atheists because I couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's fine.
		It's fine.
		I'll let him languish there until I find the right person.
		No problem.
		What's up?
unidentified		Well, I'd like to talk a little bit more about the 923 thing.
		Okay.
		Are you familiar with the name Jonathan Kant?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Jonathan Kant is an author.
		He's a Messianic Jew out of New York, and he is a very, very intelligent man.
		He's written two books, one called The Harbinger, which talks about the relationship between Isaiah 910 and what happened on 9-11, 2001.
		The second book is called The Shemitah.
		And we are in a year where the Shemitah becomes very, very important.
		The Shemitah is a rest year.
		Every seven years, the lands allowed the rest.
		That's get wiped clean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now let's bring this back to the 23rd.
unidentified		Yeah.
		23rd of this year is Yom Pippur.
		This whole thing, if you I've watched a lot of these YouTube videos on the woman named Sierra Vana makes some, Lind Liaz, and the other woman's name is Renee M. There is a ton of pop culture references to this 923 date.
		They're very strange references.
		One is Back to the Future.
		If you've seen the 9-11 relationships.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe we're going to get smashed on the 23rd, yes?
unidentified		Well, Jonathan Kahn is talking about A massive global a massive I am asking what you believe.
		I don't know.
		I see a lot of things coming.
		I see the financial collapse and the possibility.
		There is some talk about a meteor strike, but because the meteor strike thing comes from people, the government building these underground, the dumps, they keep underground military bases.
		And the elite right now disappearing.
		Like they're all just for the hills.
		A lot of this stuff comes from Alex Jones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen from Alex Jones.
		I haven't seen any of the elite disappear save Rick Perry, who just bailed out today.
		I mean, the rest of them are prepared to go on CNN here in a few days, right, and have a big debate.
		So they're still there.
unidentified		Yeah.
		The whole thing seems to kick off really on the 13th.
		The 13th is the beginning of Rosh Hashanah.
		It's around Rosh Hashanah.
		And it's also a partial solar eclipse.
		And then it goes to like the 28th.
		But the real person who kicked all this off was Jonathan Donn.
		And he would be a great guest for you.
		I mean, he's just, his stuff is very prophetic in nature.
		He's basically saying we are under judgment.
		And that's where I think Ron, he's worried about one video that says we're going to get it by either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
unidentified		This would be God's judgment?
		This is God's judgment on the United States for the sin that we've committed, the multiple sins that we've committed.
		Which one?
		Well, one is just turning away from God.
		I think it starts with new prayer in schools, stuff like that.
		And Jonathan makes the argument much better than I could, but what he says is that we – That's probably right in there.
		Well, where he goes with that is that when you take something holy and you desecrate it, what's going to happen is they're going to take something good and they're going to make it evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but why would people of the same sex who get married be desecrating anything because they're actually in love?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They want to be married.
unidentified		Well, I have kind of mixed feelings about it because constitutionally I don't see a problem with it, but from a biblical perspective, it's just totally not what God taught.
unidentified		I mean, it's not marriage was between man and a woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think we've turned away from all of that, and that is soon, and we are about to be judged somewhere between now and, what, the 28th?
unidentified		The 13th and the 28th are the dates that have people interested.
		The 23rd being the one that people think that the elite are putting into movies and TV shows, The Simpsons, like all kinds of little references here and there.
		The 923, there are them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does Jade Helm fit into this?
unidentified		I think Jade Helm ends, I think, on the 15th, which is part of Rosh Hashanah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I really believe that it ends on that date.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, Jade Helm is preparation for martial law somewhere.
		It doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be the United States.
		Right now, we've been occupying Iraq and Afghanistan.
		Well, not Iraq so much anymore, but Afghanistan for, what, 10 years now?
		No, 14 years now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've been 14 years.
		Better said, we have been fighting there.
		I don't think we're occupying just yet because we don't have control.
unidentified		I think we do a lot of house-to-house stuff.
		We do a lot of interacting with the population.
		And I think that's what Jade Helm is.
		It's training for that kind of So do you think we're all going to be put in internment camps?
		Well, they exist.
		Let's talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		FEMA camps, right?
unidentified		Yeah, they definitely exist.
		I don't know.
		I don't see anybody.
		I don't see them loading the trains up yet.
		Where are the FEMA camps?
		I don't know.
		You'd have to do the research on it.
		But this is another Alex Jones thing.
		There's a lot of Alex Jones references at FINA camps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate your call, sir.
		And I take note, and I'll try to look for a manhole cover.
		But we don't have many of those here in Perub.
unidentified		Jade Helm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So I'm still searching for somebody who wants to debate my atheist, but we're in open lines.
		And so you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I'm just don't have the heart to try to debate an atheist.
		That's just kind of pointless in my book.
		What I would like to talk about is some methods to get to Mars very quickly.
		And I did call at the end of the show last night and talked for a minute with Matt.
		Oh, it was great.
		And I love the idea of making some kind of warp drive.
		But just on a very simple standpoint of a way to do a trip to Mars in a few days to a week, if we went and froze a perfect ice log in Antarctica and airlifted it to the Cape or to Wallace Island, which may be the preferred place to launch to Mars,
		and had a rocket that just had this frozen icicle in the center of the core, and around that a low-energy nuclear reaction, which wouldn't involve any radiation, which would use plasmon-plariton physics, the new physics of generating energy not over unity, but within the confines of the laws of thermodynamics.
		And suddenly it flash-heated that icicle to an infrared, very high temperature, and just use, instead of hydrogen and oxygen, which could explode, it's ice.
		It's the same thing as the exhaust product, but it's pretty much perfectly safe.
		Now, that could get you to Mars in a matter of, in a throttle boy.
		You can restart it, make orbit corrections, do orbital insertions in Mars with the ice still staying frozen in space.
		So it's a very practical idea.
		Now, once you get to Mars, you could have the extra ice that's left over in orbit, in low Mars orbit, and use that to power shuttle vehicles to take you down to Mars.
		When you got to Mars, it's a way to breathe.
		The ice rocket, basically a steampunk rocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Steampunk rocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An ice mobile.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Sorry, we've got to break it off there.
		We've got to break.
		From the high desert, you're listening to midnight in the desert.
		If you have any comments, and I can see you do because the lines are burning up.
		We're in open lines.
		Feel free.
		Remember my atheist, by the way.
unidentified		Sunbell is morning without breaking.
		I'm gonna open up your game.
		What is it coming for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Say it again, y'all.
		What?
		Who?
		Yeah.
		What is it coming for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Listen to me.
		Oh, wow.
		I despise.
		Wanna take a ride from the high desert and the great American Southwest.
		This is Midnight in the Desert, exclusively on the Dark Matter Digital Network.
		You call the show, dial 1-952.
		Call Art.
		That's 1-952-225-5270.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's it, all right?
		And let me quickly check in and just be sure my atheist is okay.
		You hanging in there?
unidentified		Oh, yes, of course, Art.
		I mean, nobody is.
		A couple of times I wanted to yell into my phone, but I realized I wasn't on, so what was the point?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so your first name is?
unidentified		My first name is Matt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matt.
		Okay, Matt.
		I'm putting you back on hold.
		I mean, I can't do this until I get somebody ready for you.
unidentified		Don't worry about it.
unidentified		Just find me somebody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll find you somebody.
		All right, Matt.
		Hold type.
		There we go.
		Okay.
		Let us continue with Open Lines with, I don't know, Lawrence on Skype, I guess.
		Hi, Lawrence.
unidentified		Hi, am I there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're here.
unidentified		Oh, great.
unidentified		Well, I had a couple things I thought people would be interested in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I'm getting an echo.
		Hang on just for a second.
		I've got to check something.
		I'll take one second here.
		Hang on, Art.
		All right.
		Oh, boy.
		I'm using a smartphone to do both things, and the smartphone's smarter than me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got, what, the show running?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it is?
unidentified		When I was a child and up to my 30s, I had lots of deja vu.
		And now I still have them, but less.
		And in one case, I got into an argument with someone.
		And when it happened in real life, in the deja vu I had an argument, in real life, I simply didn't say the words that caused the argument.
		So my theory is that, you know, maybe there's this big plan, but you have the choice to change things in that plan.
		It doesn't have to be a certain way.
		You don't have to kill your wife.
		You don't have to hurt anybody.
		Or you could like, you know, land speed record.
		So I just think that the future is not set.
		It might be an outline, but not set.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think it's set either.
unidentified		And the other thing that I wanted to tell you about is in 1963, when I was a young kid, I was an amateur astronomer.
unidentified		And I go out almost every night and just, you know, look at the moon, look at the stars, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You haven't seen this thing coming into squishes on the 23rd, have you?
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
		No, this is my long gone memory.
		I saw, I lived in eastern Ohio in a little town called Lisbon.
		It's about 40 miles west of Pittsburgh.
		Yeah.
		South Youngstown.
		You might know where it is.
		County seat.
		I saw, two nights in a row, two zigzagging lights above my home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can't beat that.
unidentified		We're talking, you know, I'm sure it was our stuff playing, you know, tactics.
unidentified		They were probably up there trying to figure out, you know, when you zip around like that, you know, there's got to be different tactics, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it at high speed?
unidentified		Oh, my God.
		I mean, I couldn't make out the vehicles.
		It was twilight.
		And so my theory there is that they're so far up is that the sun was still shining on them, illuminating them to me so I could see them.
		And they're just zigzagging.
		Airplanes don't fly in high school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My question is, my question, again, is, was it at high speed?
unidentified		Well, I'm thinking really high speed because they're like at that distance and at those angles, they must have been going 10 miles at a shot.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've got it.
		Well, what I would say is if that's what you had, you would have somebody inside that was jelly.
		Now, if they were a human, they would be just, you know, jelly.
		You can't make sharp turns going really fast without turning biological mass, as we understand it, pretty much into, well, jelly is a rough term, but you get the idea, right?
		Let's go here and see what we've got.
		Hello on the phone.
		Hello.
		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn off your device, please.
unidentified		Okay, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My goodness, guys.
unidentified		Sorry.
		Hey, Art.
		Thanks for taking my call.
		Sure.
		This is Nathan from Asheville.
		Yes, sir.
		Yeah, I mean, I guess I could, I'm the son of a Quaker clerk.
		I grew up in the, I mean, I would have some questions for your atheist.
		I'm not necessarily sure I could debate with him, but I mean, tonight's been quite an interesting show.
		You know, you've got a bunch of people on here stating their best evidence is YouTube and stuff.
		It's really I haven't really heard of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when it actually comes right down to it, Nathan, that's about all they've got is YouTube.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, they might say they have their own inner feelings.
unidentified		You know, yeah, gut feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look at Ronald.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So much gut feeling that he's packing up the car, taking the wife, running.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		Running for who knows where.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Up north.
unidentified		Well, I mean, you know, I kind of tend to think sometimes the benefit of all this apocalyptic obsession may make people actually live like a more focused life if they think that maybe they only have a week to live.
unidentified		Maybe they'll actually get up and do something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a good point.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Uh I kind of think that's the only positive.
		Oh, you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm still out of time.
		Hold on, hold on, hold on.
		I'll bring you back.
unidentified		I'll bring you back.
		Midnight in the desert doesn't screen calls.
		We trust you, but remember, the NSA Bell, you know.
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		That's 1-952-CALL ART.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are up on Periscope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have been assured by endless number of people on the wormhole that we are indeed up on Periscope.
unidentified		So, if you enjoy looking at the back of the talk show, post-head, this is your big option.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell51, by the way.
		You need that if you're going to look at Periscope.
		To get involved with Periscope, and boy, you can really get involved.
		You've got to get on Twitter.
		So, I'm Art Bell31.
		Art Bell 51.
		Good Lord, what am I saying?
unidentified		31.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell 51 on Twitter.
unidentified		And I'm sorry we got cut off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I realized I was right up against a break.
		A lot of times I'm having so much fun with open lines, I'd blow breaks.
		So that was close.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		You're back.
		Thanks for having me.
		Thank you.
		Very well.
		It's great to hear your voice.
		I'm sorry I get so stoked that you answer the phone.
		I kind of draw a blank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as anybody looking at Periscope can see, I'm the only one here.
		Some guy earlier sent me an email and say he wanted to pay me to come and be an intern.
		I don't know what he would do.
unidentified		Wow, yeah.
		Maybe, you know, feed the cats.
		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, what's up?
unidentified		Well, I mean, I think one thing I think is interesting is your last caller, when it got down to it, it seemed like he was convinced there was some kind of retribution from God coming down on us.
		That's right.
		Yeah.
		Which, I mean, I'm surprised he also started off by saying he didn't want to talk to the atheist, but you would think that he was so convinced that we're about to, you know, all be destroyed, then that the atheist would cut at the core of those beliefs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he said he was trying to say something, but I've got him on hold waiting for, you know, whoever is going to challenge him.
unidentified		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he was screaming at the phone.
unidentified		Right.
		In pure atheist fury.
		But, you know, Art, I guess what I want to say again is thanks for having me on.
		But, you know, what's going on right now is scary enough.
		You know, the refugee crisis, which, you know, some think is due to, you know, the climate change out there in Syria and droughts they've been having.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's changing climate, all right?
		There's a lot of black guys cutting off heads.
		That'll get you rolling.
unidentified		Right.
		I mean, that kind of stuff is terrifying enough, you know, and we have enough to be.
		I mean, I also was interested to hear what the whole Planet X thing is about.
		I mean, I've heard it mentioned, and I mean, to be honest, I haven't given it too much thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Planet X coming and coming and coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For all my adult years, I've been hearing about it, but Planet X looming out there never, ever gets us.
unidentified		So, yeah, I mean, I'd love to hear somebody say, you know, convince me how it's a serious threat to our existence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let us say that somebody convinced you, sir, that on September 23rd, a very few days from now, the world is going to end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you behave between now and then?
unidentified		Between now and then, I would just love my family and try to get us safe.
unidentified		I mean, I'm up in the mountains now, you know, and I'm just a working-class dude with, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		I think that's what most people would do.
		I mean, some would loot, rape, and pillage and kill, but others.
unidentified		That's terrifying, you know, yeah.
		That's right.
		You could defend against those people, right?
		Yeah, I would hope so.
		You know, I do my damn best, and I got a crew of people ready to help me out if need be, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you're so.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that, obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But, I mean, I think, yeah, the physical evidence around us that is verifiable is pretty scary enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And all these camps they're talking about and everything.
		I have decided already, by the way, that I'm going to turn myself into Jade Helm.
		I'm going to be a trustee, and I'm going to be bossing the rest of you around.
		Remember, I've got my poor atheist in Denver just languishing on the phone, waiting for one godlike person to come forward and challenge him.
		We'll see.
		Let's go here on the phone.
		Say hi, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
unidentified		Great.
		I am a religious belief teacher, and I dabbled in philosophy and other things.
		I would have to know what kind of what he knows, like where he's coming from in terms of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, come on, he's an atheist.
		You don't have to ask where he's coming from.
		He doesn't believe in God.
unidentified		I just mean what has he studied or what has he delved into?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to study anything to not believe in God.
unidentified		I understand.
		I just, if you're going to have some sort of a debate, I just want to know kind of where he's coming from and what he's studied or what he knows.
		That's all.
		Or is he just going to come from just right off the cuff?
		But I have no problem talking to him if you'd like to do that.
		He's been waiting a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He has.
		But, you know, he's an atheist, so who cares?
		Let him wait.
unidentified		No, I have no problem talk.
		No, I have no problem talking to him.
		I'd love to talk to him about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm waiting for JC Jr. to call in or something.
unidentified		Yeah, JC.
unidentified		No, actually, he's my son.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I hate to say this, but I think JC may have passed on.
		They're making all kinds of excuses for him.
		I'm connected to him, actually, on Facebook.
		And I keep hearing from Petunia or whatever her name is that he's off and they're searching for him, but I think he's...
		I understand.
		And he may make it in.
		Actually, he kind of sounds like Jay-Z, doesn't he?
		You can hear it.
		When he grows up, he could be a Jay-C.
		All right, thank you.
		I'm going to keep looking.
		I want somebody really ready to go at an atheist.
		I mean, this guy sounds like good stuff.
		All right, let's go.
		Goodness, we have such a choice.
		Let's go overseas.
		Michael, hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Confused.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		I can't be described as a rabid atheist, but I can certainly be described as a confused one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a confused atheist?
unidentified		Well, yes and no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, what is your confusion?
unidentified		Well, I watch these born-again Christians getting more and more animally retentive as the world gets more and more confused.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that's what I need as a born-again Christian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Well, I'm in England, in North Tyneside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not born again, huh?
unidentified		Well, no, but having said that, there is obvious evidence of these Satanists getting more and more or growing more and more with their influence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was Father Malachi Martin who said that he believed that the influence of Satan is up 800%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Granted.
unidentified		And then there is these born-again, no, sorry, these new age people that are getting weird the more exposure they get.
		Now, I'm confused because I don't know where to stand.
		I was brought up as a Catholic and leftist at 15 years old when I discovered I was being conditioned, not educated.
		But over the years, I've learned that there is a spiritual dimension behind us all.
		Now, what I'd like to say to your guy, he's a rabid atheist.
		And none of us, anybody over 20 years old, can't turn around and say, excuse me, but the atheist will be bigger than all of us out there.
		I'm an atheist because they can't hang me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, wait a minute.
unidentified		Earlier, you said...
		He doesn't want to go anywhere.
		I can't see that.
		Any human being with an ounce of sense has got to be able to share that commonality that is there for all of us.
		And it's a big thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a fair question to ask.
		All right.
		Let's continue.
		See where we go.
		Actually, we've got somebody else overseas, so let's try that.
		Looks like Stephen.
		Hello, Stephen.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello, Stephen.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm turning off my device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
		Hi.
		Wow, great.
		I'm calling you from Mexico City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mexico City, really?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm a New Yorker, though.
		Okay.
		And I think it's germane to this topic because I decided to take one month and stay where it's almost 9,000 feet above sea level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're doing that because you think this month is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something.
unidentified		Yeah, something.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're like 10,000 feet up above Mexico City?
unidentified		I'm sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're like on a mountain 10,000 feet above Mexico City?
unidentified		Well, no, Mexico City is between 8,000 and 9,000.
unidentified		It's almost 3,000 meters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you're on a hill.
unidentified		No, Mexico City is that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on a hill in Mexico City.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		So, you know, I think if something does slam, the probability that it will hit waters is great, only because of surface area.
		And tsunamis are a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They aren't.
unidentified		So logic would have it that one should stay away from the coastline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the truth of the matter is, the truth is, you moved this month down to Mexico City to avoid what you think is going to be a global catastrophe.
unidentified		I have a house in Mexico City.
		I mean, it's not that I moved, but I have a house in Mexico City for business.
		And I decided just to an extended stay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm shocked, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm running into more and more people like yourself that are actually have made physical moves easy or hard because they think something awful is.
unidentified		And this is from the basis of pure rationality.
		I mean, I'm not a kook.
		No, you don't sound like it.
		You know, that wonderful line from Goodfellows, why take a chance?
		Well, sure.
		Now, one other thing, Art, I'm sorry.
		I mean, it's just such a privilege to have you.
		I called you once before in 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I had the great privilege of calling the night that the last interview with Father Malachi.
		Yes.
		And I spoke to him that night, and it somewhat changed my life.
		I was young then and very stupid and new agey and pretty deluded.
		And that one conversation put me on track, and I'll forever owe him that.
		May he rest in peace.
		But one thing, Art, one thing just irks me.
		You and he alluded toward the end of the interview that you guys had had some kind of a private talk about things coming into our solar system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, not exactly.
unidentified		Yeah, you remember.
unidentified		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember, but it's not as you remember, not about things coming into our solar system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although we did speak of that many times.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father Martin confided in me about things involving the third secret.
		And I don't discuss those because they were given to me in confidence.
		And what he said to the public, I think, was sufficient.
		And that was, whatever you think it is going to be, it is going to be much worse than that.
		The worst thing you can imagine that could happen to the planet, it's going to be worse than that.
		And he gave me some knowledge that goes beyond that, which I'm not going to discuss because it was given to me in confidence.
		So there you have it.
		Manila Thrilla.
		Hi.
unidentified		Let's call me His Holy Eminence Jr. tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, His Holy Eminence Jr., really?
unidentified		Yes, because I am just dying to debate this so-called atheist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So-called.
		All right.
		Boy, you're going to get your wish.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Here, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		Nathan, I believe it is my Matt.
		I'm sorry.
unidentified		Hi, Nathan.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Matt, Matt, Matt.
unidentified		Matt, it doesn't really matter.
		Go on.
		Who do you want to start first?
		I think, as an atheist, I should be on the defense side first, right?
		You should take the offensive kind of argument.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You guys go at it the way you want to go.
unidentified		Well, where do you want to take this?
		Do you want to take it from an intellectual level?
		Nathan, stop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matt, his name is Matt.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Matt.
		Where do you want to take this?
		Do you want to take it to a level that we can say that the same story of Jesus Christ was told by Horus, Mithra, Krishna, and a lot of other pagan gods?
		And maybe that's all based on Egyptian, ancient Egyptian allegory where you can actually talk about constellations in the sky?
		Or what else do you want to talk about?
		What part of actually, what foolish religion are you a part of, Mike?
		What did you call me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
unidentified		Matt, whatever.
		Whatever's your name?
		Vanilla vanilla.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on now.
		There is no need for personal stuff here.
		You know his name is Matt.
unidentified		Yeah, there is art.
		There is.
		This is serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is serious.
unidentified		This man is taking the concept of our great Lord frivolously, and he's going to pay for it dearly.
		But go on.
		I want to know what religion are you a part of?
		Are you wave kind of people?
		What religion are you not a part of?
		All of them.
		I'm an atheist.
		I'm a part of society that actually has a collective brain in this whole ordeal.
		I'm a rational person.
		Okay.
		So you don't believe in the devil or God?
		No, that's ridiculous.
		What is your Twitter name, Matt?
		Well, I mean, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What difference does it make?
unidentified		I believe this man is an agent of the dark side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he may be.
unidentified		I even said that my name on Twitter was Devil Britson because I was a lot of atheists there.
		Call yourself Jesus.
		Well, what's up?
		If it doesn't matter, call yourself Jesus.
		Why do I want to be Jesus?
		Why do you want to be the Devil Brits?
		He has a way better story and way better soundtrack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on, he can be anybody who wants to be.
unidentified		And that's what I'm saying.
		Let's have an actual idea.
		Let's stop getting into semantics, Harry.
		What religion are you a part of?
		You are asking me to name my God, but you will not take a stance on your God or lack of God.
		I don't care.
		I would say, sir, that you have a God and it is the devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, come on, he doesn't have a God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's an atheist.
unidentified		By the name devil?
		Please.
		Yeah, it's a nickname.
		If you're a believer, please, Art, do not get on this man's side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not on anybody's side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm waiting for you to take up your side.
unidentified		I'm waiting to hear.
		What is your religion?
		What is your belief?
		Let's have a discussion about it.
		We cannot put a name on our Creator.
		It is the God of love, the God of light.
		It is not the God of light.
		It's not of love.
		It is not Satan.
		It is not the devil.
		Hey, where was your love that we really needed when John F. Kennedy was assassinated?
		Where was that?
		That's that can go ahead and move mountains and whatnot.
		Sir, being an atheist, you believe in materialism.
		I believe in really any of that.
		I never said I was a materialistic person.
		I'm actually a very good person.
		I'm sure you can be a nice person and do good things, and you don't have to go ahead and tout because Jesus told me so.
		I think that just keeping names and labels, sir.
		Well, I just want to know, what is your label?
		What is your religion you follow?
		Church United Universal.
		Okay, well, what do you essentially believe in that?
		None of the darkness, sir.
		None of the darkness.
		Are you a firm believer in Jesus Christ?
		Sir, I do not put labels on my higher power.
		So what?
		Are you one of those new wave kooks?
		Yes, I'm a new wave kook.
		Yes.
		Okay.
		Yes, and what are you, sir?
		I'm a rationalist, and I don't have to believe that.
		You're a rationalist, which is always a matter of time.
		Do you believe that there's a spiritual side to life?
		Do you believe in ESP?
		Do you believe in dreams?
		No, I believe in ESP.
		Do you believe in that?
		24 hours a day.
		I'm reliable.
		I think you just said he believes in ESPN.
		I do.
		It's 24 hours, and it's great.
		It gives you all kinds of information, more than what any kind of book would give you.
		This man is a materialist.
		No, no, not really.
		I mean, I can go with or without it.
		I mean, I think.
		So you're acting as if you're God.
		Everything I say, you poo-poo.
		Please do not act like God.
		I think, Thrilla, we're not really getting anywhere because you're not really giving me anything to debate.
		You're just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you like to say?
		I really do agree.
		All right, gentlemen, hold on.
		I agree.
		It's not a good debate.
		Our atheist is a good debater, and he needs somebody of better quality to debate.
		This is midnight in the desert, and we'll be right back.
		We'll find somebody.
unidentified		Eventually.
		We'll find somebody.
		To initiate a dialogue sequence with Art Bell, please coordinate your Valencians and call 1952-225-5276.
		That's 1952.
		Call Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, all right.
		My lonely atheist continues to blink away there.
		I think he's in Denver, Colorado.
		And we need a worthy...
		I think we need a born-again somebody.
		In the meantime, open lines.
		Marcy, hello.
		Marcy on Skype.
		Yes, hi.
unidentified		I have a ghost story for you.
		I don't want to talk to the planet of the atheist guy.
		Okay.
		This took place, oh, golly, when I was in sixth grade.
		All right.
		And I spent one year at a Catholic convent, a girls' school.
		And let me set up the room for you first so I don't have to keep going back.
		The dormitory was for, oh, golly, 20, maybe 30 girls.
		And I lived at the very last row, and I had a corner bed that you could see out the windows and everything.
		And it was kind of a long walk through the dorm.
		And then you passed out to, you kept going, and to the left was the shower and wash basins.
		And then a big hall in front of you, you crossed over that to get to the restrooms.
		The first stall is one of those big trash chutes.
		You know what I'm talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		You dump the trash down and it bangs on down to the basement where the bin is.
		Okay.
		And then the stalls are after that.
		Well, I woke up at 3 o'clock.
		Remember, I'm just a little kid.
		3 o'clock in the morning, and I have to pee like a racehorse.
		So I pad on out past the dorm, past the showers, across the hall, into the first stall next to the big bench chute, and sat down to do my business.
		Well, when I was just about through, I heard this bang, bang, bang on the trash chute, and then I heard the flutter of cardboard and paper coming down.
		And that startled me for a minute.
		So I just sat there.
		And not long after that, a moment or so after that, I heard footsteps coming down from the upper floors, down the steps.
		And after it came down the steps, I heard it walking down the hall, step, step, step.
		And it went right past the bathroom.
		And to the immediate right are the stairs to the ground floor.
		We were on the second floor.
		And going down the steps, I heard this bang, bang, bang falling each footstep.
		And I'm frozen.
		I had to redo my business.
		Anyway, okay, we're going to skip to the next night.
		Wake up 3 o'clock in the morning and did the same thing.
		Past the dorm, past the showers on the left, crossed the hall, sat down to do my business.
		And sure enough, bang, bang, bang on the trash chute, flutter, flutter.
		And moments later, come the footsteps down the stairs, tap, tap, tap, down the hall, patter, patter, patter.
		Turns the corner, goes down the last flight of steps, and the bang, bang, bang after the footsteps.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Night three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many nights do we have here?
unidentified		Three.
		This is the last night.
		It's the best one.
		And, well, I went past all the things, sat in the stall, did my business, and sure enough, the shoot, bang, bang, bang, and here come the steps, the footsteps down the stairs.
		And this time I think, I'm going to find out what this is.
		And as I heard it go around the corner and down the last flat of stairs, I got up and peeked around the corner.
		There's a fellow dressed in khaki color janitor outfit with a little crushed head on his hat, just walking down the steps.
		He was holding a push broom by its neck, letting the handle bang on each step as he went down the steps to the bottom floor.
		I think this ghost had a sense of humor.
		I talked to the nuns the next day, and I told them my story, and they looked at me, and they said, well, you were just dreaming.
		I said, no, no, no.
		And then I got one of those nun looks, like, no more, not going to ask anymore.
		And I thought, oh, okay.
		So anyway, that's my little ghost story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was it, huh?
unidentified		That's him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can I ask you a question?
unidentified		Certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it true what they say about Catholic girls?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I'm not Catholic.
		What do they say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
		I don't know that.
		I just know that they talk a lot.
unidentified		I was in sixth grade.
unidentified		I hadn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a married lady now?
unidentified		Oh, yes, yes.
unidentified		Married, divorced, and single again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All righty.
		Well, listen, thank you very much for the story.
		And I'm not sure what to say beyond that.
		We still have our poor atheist waiting on the line for somebody of godly substance to come along.
		Let's go to, I don't know, Rory.
		How about Rory?
		Hello?
		Hello?
		Hello, Art?
		Yes.
unidentified		Hey, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Extinguish device, please.
unidentified		I'm extinguishing the device as we speak.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, Art.
		I called in the other night when Elaine was on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		And I was the one who asked about the, you know, she had contacted, you know, any Bigfoot groups in the area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I'm a freelance reporter now, but I used to work for a newspaper in Siskio County, California.
		And a couple hours downriver is a community called Happy Camp.
		And it's populated mainly by Karuk Indians.
		And during the fall, they have a Bigfoot festival.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I got to interview some of the tribal elders about involved in Bigfoot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, about what?
unidentified		About their encounters with Bigfoot.
		Yes, and one guy was telling me he was like 12 years old.
		And every spring and summer, he would sleep outside.
		He would grab his sleeping bag, go out on the yard, and just crash the whole night.
		And every now and then, he told me a bear would come in to the yard and go through the garbage bins.
		And he would just curl up in the sleeping bag and just wait for them to go.
		So one night, he's sleeping, and then he hears crashing and clanging coming from the garbage pails.
		And he looks up, and he told me, he goes, I see this big, hairy shape.
		And I said, well, what did you do?
		He goes, well, I thought it was a bear, so I just curled up in a tiny ball and just said, go away.
		Well, then after a few minutes, he heard this grunting sound.
		And he said, it wasn't a bear.
		It sounded more human-like.
		Probably close enough.
		And he peeks out from the sleeping bag and he said, I thought it was a bear again.
		But it stood up and he said it looked like it was like one of almost seven feet tall, covered in hair, and just dumpster diving, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a sad state of affairs that one has to imagine Bigfoot resorting to dumpster diving, but okay.
unidentified		And I said, well, what did you do then?
		He said, well, that's when I really broke out into a cold sweat and just, he said, I curled myself up into a tiny little ball and prayed that nothing was going to happen to me.
		And he heard it, walk away, and he waited like 15 minutes and went running back inside the house.
		And this was like at the time when I talked to him, he was, this was like 30 years before, I mean, 30 years ago.
		And he said from that point on, he's never been out camping ever since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, you know, I hate to think that Bigfoot is reduced to that.
		And if it is, there needs to be some sort of government program to help him out in some way.
		I mean, Bigfoot dumpster diving.
		Oh, please.
		Let's go on the phone to Texas.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, I had a few points I'd like to make to your atheist.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's do it.
		My atheist is right here.
		He's been waiting patiently, probably pretty nearly ready to give up.
		It's been so long.
		So go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, my name's Don.
		I'm calling from Amarillo, Texas.
		And I'm a retired chemist, and I'm probably not the most qualified to speak from a religious point of view, but one thing.
		But I think the best evidence that science has to offer about the creation of the universe is the Big Bang Theory.
		And I used to be an atheist myself, but then I got to thinking one night, how is it any easier to believe that everything we perceive to come from an infantable quantum of infinite energy than it is to believe in a supernatural force creating the universe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound out of breath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you okay?
unidentified		Yeah, I just came back in here in the other room.
		And just give me a second there.
		But so the human mind is really incapable of comprehending either one of those.
		And when you get into quantum mechanics, it's impossible to prove the Big Bang Theory because quantum mechanics breaks down at that level.
		And you'll never be able to prove either one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this should affect my atheist in what way?
unidentified		Well, he believes in the Big Bang Theory.
unidentified		And I just said, how is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I don't know that he does.
unidentified		He's supernatural.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We haven't asked him that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Atheist?
unidentified		Well, that's the only explanation science has to offer for the creation of the universe at this point in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Matt, how do you feel about the Big Bang?
unidentified		Well, Art, can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, about the Big Bang theory is, you know, I don't, you know, science is pretty accurate about what they are, but you're talking about this like color is saying that, oh, you don't have all the steps planned out, but that doesn't mean that science doesn't have an actual really good idea about how it is.
		Just because they haven't landed every single rung of the ladder doesn't mean they actually have a ladder.
		Like, you know what I mean?
		Like, we can go ahead and talk about this if you want to talk about proving absolutes in a scientific manner.
		You really can't.
		However, I believe my atheism goes like this.
		I'm a minute-to-minute atheist, like any reasonable atheist should be, because right now, at this very moment, I have no proof that I should believe in some sort of God or some sort of religion because, well, even on a scientific level, there hasn't really been any kind of evidence to state that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's a fair comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why should he believe in God, is what he's saying?
unidentified		Well, why should I believe in the Big Bang Theory?
		Because it's unprovable also.
		I can't prove he's wrong.
		He can't prove I'm wrong.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Well, I mean, we're going to get into an obvious stalemate on that because what I'm guessing is going to happen is that if we go through the steps within the Big Bang Theory, you're going to reach a point, like many people who believe in some sort of religion where at the very last moment they say, well, I got my faith.
		And my faith is going to be that one thing because faith is nothing more.
		You're holding on to something without proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, all right.
unidentified		I'm going to hold that one right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seems to me that we're not having productive arguments because the Big Bang theory, the Big Bang, we know it occurred, right?
		We hear the echoes of it.
		Scientists can find that, so we know it occurred.
		But scientists have no clue whatsoever what happened with regard to the Big Bang itself as it occurred or just prior to it occurring.
		We don't know.
		So, atheist friend, hold it right there.
		We'll find somebody eventually, I guarantee.
		Tennessee, maybe.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Timothy.
		I'm calling from Hendersonville, Tennessee.
		Okay.
		I wanted to talk to Matt.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can arrange it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matt?
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi, Matt.
		We know each other from Twitter.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		We talk on the DM Talk hashtag.
		Yes, we do.
		What's your tree name?
		Candlelight LM.
		Okay.
		I just wanted to get your thoughts.
		So if you don't believe in God at all, then you believe there's no moral plane that we live on, meaning that there's no consequences for anything we do at all in life.
		Well, okay.
		Number one, I never stated that.
		You don't have to have morals to be anything.
		Like, I have morals, but it doesn't come from religion.
		I have morals from being a decent human being.
		Like, I don't know how this works where some people, and I'm not saying you in particular, but some people will make the comment, well, if you're an atheist, what stops you just from raping, killing, and all that stuff?
		Because I don't do that because I'm, you know, a Christian or whatever like that.
		I don't have those thoughts.
		I'm a very calm individual.
		I have empathy for other individuals.
		And there is consequences in what we do.
		We have laws to justify those things.
		And I think that inherently from what we see and how we get treated, we realize if you believe in some sort of, I guess, you know, what everyone calls, golden rule, or just from life experience, you'll go ahead and realize you shouldn't do some things.
		You wouldn't want them done to you, would you?
		No.
		But that doesn't come from religion.
		That just comes from a person not wanting a certain thing to happen to them in that way.
		So to add to that, then you believe life has no meaning then?
		No, I never said that either.
		I mean, I choose to do with my life, which I believe I only have one of them.
		I don't believe in reincarnation or anything like that.
		I believe I should make the most of it.
		And I do that.
		I do some volunteer work.
		I mean, I even donated a year of my life to AmeriCorps to go ahead and work with homeless people in North Dakota and help write some of their they had grants there for big oil projects that were happening there to help the homeless people and the Native American people who weren't really getting a fair shake out of life.
		And I figured that I could at least, as a person, donate a year of my life to that.
		And I just reached that conclusion just on, you know, myself because I think that, you know, I got a pretty good fair shake in life, and I want somebody else to maybe have one too.
		But if we die and nothing happens of it, what good did that do?
		Well, because I live in the present.
		I don't live for, you know, tomorrow in some sort of sky fairy.
		I mean, I live in a sense where I want to go ahead and make the most of this current life that I'm living right now.
		So I want to go ahead and maybe be able to sleep at night because, you know, hey, an atheist still has a conscience.
		That doesn't, like, reflect on any kind of religious belief.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm putting you back in the freezer, and we're waiting for a worthy opponent.
		So I'll take a break.
		So far, it's atheist one, other people zero.
		But, you know, there's still time in the show.
		A little bit anyway.
		Somebody got to come along, take this guy off, rip him to shreds, because you know there's a God, right?
		All right.
unidentified		What are you done, done, mean?
		you bet I felt it.
		I tried to beat you, but you're so hot that I melted.
		I fell right through the cry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I want to punctuate that a little bit.
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		It really works.
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unidentified		And Lumen, it has saved me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My back is awful, but this thing really works.
		It's the only thing, only thing that's ever worked.
		So, next time you hear the Lumen ad, well, I've got the number.
		828-863-4834.
		That's Lumen.
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unidentified		It's really well call screening.
		No waiting on hold.
		No requirement to kiss Art's ring.
		Just good talk.
		Join Art by calling 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952-CALLART.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One would think that we would get a good opponent for our atheist here, but we really haven't yet.
		And you would think that born-agains would be, well, all over out there, right?
		And prepared to argue like crazy, but we just haven't had that.
		Decou tree, I think it is, on Skype.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine, sir.
unidentified		So your guest here is an atheist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is, yes.
unidentified		And I would like to ask him a couple of questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Matt?
unidentified		Yes, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another chance.
unidentified		So you're an atheist, but you have morals, right?
		Well, I mean, I think that inherently by what we experience in life and how we believe we want to go ahead and be treated, if you want to call that morals, sure, why not?
		I just call that everyday expectancy and whatnot.
		But go ahead.
		What's your question?
		Do you believe in the golden rule?
		That's basically my last question, and then we can get on with this.
		Oh, I explained to the last caller that I reference golden rule, but I think that we really wanted to be treated the way that we want to go ahead and treat others, and I think vice versa.
		But some people, they are sociopaths.
		They don't have that sense of empathy or compassion, and they lack that.
		So you witness that in society.
		And in reality, you should witness things like that because sometimes, you know, people won't think like you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, asked and answered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he believes in the golden rule.
unidentified		Yeah, I guess if you want to call it a golden rule.
		So I take it you browse a lot of Reddit?
		I don't really dig Reddit.
		I mean, I've checked out a couple when my friends were on, but I've got it.
		I don't really browse Reddit.
		Reddit, hold on.
		Reddit has a really big atheist community, and you just reminded me of that.
		A lot of atheists are, you know, on Reddit, really?
		In your face about it, you know.
		Oh, well, you know, I mean, there comes a point in your life when you just get tired of hearing ridiculous stuff, and you get tired of watching people in your own society.
		Let's even jump in and say even homosexuals, the way they get treated by people who so-called claim to be Christians.
		The way they get treated.
		I consider myself an agnostic or maybe even a little Christian.
		I don't think people see either side.
		That's nice people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what does all this have to do with Reddit?
		Is it supposedly a hangout for atheists?
		Is that it?
unidentified		Yeah, it's an atheist hangout.
		It really is.
		Well, I mean, there are smart people there, and that is kind of a tech junkie kind of place.
		I would assume that intellectuals and tech junkies would hang out there, and if they are atheists, well, hey, more power to them.
		But back to what I was saying, I consider myself an atheist or maybe at the very least a Christian.
		And I don't even know how to do it.
		How is that other people?
		There's a lot of gay people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not making sense, caller.
unidentified		That makes no sense whatsoever.
unidentified		Like, you just said, hey, I'm part of this part of the spectrum, and then I'm on the complete opposite side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I am so sad that we cannot find you a worthy opponent.
		It's not for lack of trying.
unidentified		Hey, you're trying your hardest, buddy, and I love it.
		Bring it on.
		This makes me, what, 4-0?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, something like that.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty sad.
		AA, how about you?
		Hello.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Gone.
		Twin Cities on the phone.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Did I get through here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on the air.
unidentified		Wow, Art.
		I've been a huge fan of yours since you did a show on Mel's Hole way back when big time.
		I'm pretty shocked to get on here, but I don't exactly want to be an opponent of what the guest is saying, but I, for one, have a huge, deep belief that there is something else out there based on experiences.
		Yes, yes, sir.
		Based on experiences that I personally have had within doing psychedelics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Okay, so you're saying you believe in God based on the drugs you've done.
		What are the experience, to be fair, the experience you had while on drugs?
unidentified		Mushrooms.
		Certainly mushrooms.
		I came to an understanding that we are the universe manifested into these beings for this experience.
		And it is a godly experience.
		I don't know if you've ever heard of Ken Wilbur, but I've done a lot of research when it comes to Ken Wilbur, Alan Watts, Ron Doss, a lot of Eastern mythology and Eastern religion.
		And to me, in the experiences that I've had, I've come to the realization that we are basically the universe woken up to itself and having these conscious experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		If that makes any sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it obviously makes sense to you.
		And if you base your belief in God in that, I don't think any of us could possibly argue with it.
		I appreciate your call.
		I have to pay attention to the brakes, and I've got one right here.
		And my atheist still languishes.
		This is Midnight.
unidentified		You know these reckless dogs are mine.
		I'm following you.
		I'm following you.
		From the Kingdom of Nigh in the High Desert, this is Midnight in the Desert with Art Bell.
		Please ring Arts Bell at 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952-Call Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just an easy-going night.
		Anything you want to talk about open lines, but we've got started in this, and I think it's so interesting, in this debate mode.
		And Matt has just sort of, well, brought it away on the line there without a good opponent.
		There are several who have tried, but not very hard.
		So I don't think anybody's engaged him very well yet, which may mean that we're now a godless country.
		Many have alleged.
		Nevertheless, continue to try.
		Hello there.
unidentified		In Brookhaven, Mississippi, maybe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Should be down in the middle of the Bible Belt somewhere.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the show.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Great to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and Matt is listening to every word you say.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, great.
		Should I start?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should.
unidentified		Okay, Mr. Matt, I come in peace, first of all.
		I would like to have a civil discussion, debate, if necessary, about whatever you wish to.
		You can speak about whatever you like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's just start off here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matt believes there is no God.
unidentified		Okay.
		Me personally, if I could ask Matt, what do you believe in?
		Do you believe that there is no God, or do you not know if there is a God?
		Well, I think that's a very fair question.
		I mean, atheism in its sense is the disbelief.
		You know, it's not necessarily unbelief in anything like that.
		It's just that you might have doubt.
		And in reality, I have doubt with all the other religions.
		So what they've offered.
		And even the people who are like, hey, I'm really spiritual or they believe in something kooky like astrology.
		And that to me is just nonsense.
		Like I said before, it's a caller.
		I think two callers ago, I said, I'm an atheist minute by minute.
		At this time, right now, there is no proof that's going to sway me into believing in any kind of religion or that there might be a God or there is a God.
		So you believe in no God.
		Okay.
		So what do you believe in?
		Do you believe in any concepts, anything that you're striving for so far as you personally achieving a goal such as bringing more anything into the world, such as more beauty, more truth, more goodness?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, you know, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I'm not jumping on you, but he has laid this out to other callers.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, helping in soup lines and all that kind of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The golden rule, I think we've heard most of it.
unidentified		Okay.
		Okay.
		Do you believe in a purely hedonist point of view to where you just want to achieve pleasure in life?
		Well, I mean, pleasure by what?
		Such as a service to greater humanity or a greater goal, such as serving the world, making it a better place.
		I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you, but if you listen to the prior calls of that, I said that I donated a year of my life to MariCorps, and I actually worked in providing for people who did that.
		If you want to get even deeper in my life, I used to be a union representative in the United Auto Workers, and I actually fought for those who couldn't fight for themselves.
		So I just think that you would take on these things just as a person, as a person that actually has compassion and sympathy.
		And that doesn't come from religion.
		That just comes from you would want the same to be done for you.
		I mean, if you're a person who's not a sociopath or really greedy, I mean, you don't have to necessarily be a sociopath to be a real greedy jerk.
		Okay.
		I believe that anyone can be moral.
		I don't believe that morality is particularly confined to a religious circle or a religious point of view.
		Anyone can be moral because it comes from their heart.
		And I believe that's a beautiful thing.
		If you've served and you've done these things, that's wonderful.
		So far as a goal now, what keeps you going day to day?
		Is it something inside so far as serving others or is your job or what's your desire going day to day so far as you're not a religion or a God?
		Okay, well, I mean, if you want to get into it, I can blame Art Bell for his intriguing radio over the years that actually got me to get a degree in radio broadcasting.
		And yes, I do partake in working a steady job and such.
		but I mean it's not like I'm not after a lot of money.
		If you know anything about radio, you don't make a whole lot of money unless you're the top dog.
		Like, you know what I mean?
		You get bounced from place to place.
		I mean, I can speak on this behalf on that.
		If you search for radio as trying to make millions, man, you're SOL.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's absolutely right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I'm giving up.
		Thank you both very much, but we're just not going anywhere.
		I mean, nobody is challenging the man in any direct way.
		They keep asking him, well, are you a good guy?
		Well, yeah, I'm a good guy.
		Are you moral?
		Yes, I'm moral.
		Do you help people out?
		Yes, I do.
		I serve kitchen.
		I go and serve people food and soup kitchen.
		I do all kinds of things.
		So, you know, not getting anywhere.
		Usually, when you bring on an atheist, you would think you'd get some driving stuff, but not this time.
		Overseas, hello.
unidentified		Hello, this is Jarek calling from Poland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Poland?
		Okay.
		Welcome.
		Good to have you.
unidentified		It's nice to speak to you.
unidentified		I have a question to Matt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matt, Matt's gone.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't find a worthy opponent for Matt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what would you have asked him?
unidentified		Yes, I would say this.
		Take a look at a house, for example.
		Now, is it possible that a house was designed and made all by itself, even if you waited for like one billion years?
		I guess it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a house?
unidentified		Any house.
		Any house.
		I mean, anything like a house or a car or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what about them?
unidentified		Yes, I mean, they...
unidentified		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People had to do it.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		There must be somebody who designed it, who thought about it and made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True.
unidentified		Now, take a look at a human being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What's more complicated?
unidentified		A car or a human?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A human by a long shot.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		So is it possible that a human was made by himself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think it was General Motors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So I guess there must be a force which designs human beings or life in general, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got the best argument so far, frankly.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For intelligent design.
		And I guess you could well call that God.
		So I say you've got the best.
		I'm sorry that I got him off the line, but I mean, you've got to admit, I tried.
		I spent like an hour and a half with this guy.
unidentified		He might be listening, so maybe he'll be thinking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, maybe he will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, boy, it's nice of you to call all the way from Poland.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm listening.
		It's like 6 a.m. when the show starts.
		I usually get up at 7 and I get most of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you're sort of drinking coffee and just coming into the world as you hear us.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty esoteric stuff at this time of the morning for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, thank you very, very much.
unidentified		Art, may I say something more?
		Just one thing.
		Yes.
		Yeah, I love your show, but it's very intelligent.
		You try to get to the point and stuff.
		But I haven't heard you speaking about true conspiracies, I believe, like 9-11 or Federal Reserve, such serious stuff.
		I mean, do you talk about such subjects or notes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't rule out the possibility that there are conspiracies because, of course, there are.
		But I also don't look at everything as a conspiracy until it is proven to me that it is one.
		And I suppose the Federal Reserve is a sort of a conspiracy if you look at how they operate.
		9-11, I've said this many times, I disagree with these truthers.
		To me, and this is a good day to be talking about it, what's left of it, a few minutes, I saw those airplanes hit the towers, and that seems like the truth to me.
unidentified		Yes, they did.
		But let's take the tower in number seven, which collapsed like free fall speeds all by itself.
		I mean, there must be some explosives put in there and set all of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is a big controversy about the man who said, pull it, you know, pull it, and that indicates bring it down.
		And it may well be that after the nearby explosions, he decided that it was going to come down, or it had to come down, or that ultimately it was come down, so it was going to come down, so he might as well pull it and do it now.
		I don't know.
		That is an outstanding question to ask about 9-11.
		But otherwise, when I look at 9-11, and I know this gets me in a lot of trouble, I saw the planes building.
		And that's what I think happened.
		Meaning, I think it was an outside job, right?
		Not an inside job, an outside job.
		I don't think there were pre-placed explosives.
		I don't believe any of that stuff.
		I think these guys were trained to fly the planes, take over the planes, fly the planes, and do the awful thing they did.
		And I don't really look beyond that.
		And I know that gets me in a lot of trouble, but Occam's Razor, right?
		Live, somebody or another, 777.
		Hello.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello there, Mr. Art.
		Yes.
		All right.
		Thank you for accepting my call.
		I understand.
		Oh, and by the way, Minnie Rosswells.
		I understand that Matt the Atheist is gone now, but I have a few things I'd like to call the atheist out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he actually left in sort of abandoned dejection.
unidentified		Well, this might sound like a joke, but I'm Quite serious.
		I want to know, to all you atheists out there, I want to know from you, how did a banana get made?
		What's the evolutionary advantage to the shape of a banana being perfectly handheld and so easy to peel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it came from a banana tree, right?
unidentified		It did, yes.
		But what about a platypus?
		I mean, why would a platypus evolve in such a way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		There was a discovery the other day.
		Did you see that?
		The new bones they have discovered?
		And they did a workup of what it would have looked like.
		And, frankly, it was very much ape-like as much as it was man-like.
unidentified		Now, they're claiming it's supposed to be something like a missing link.
unidentified		Is that correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it does appear to be something like that, yes.
unidentified		Well, you know, most of the dinosaur fossils they supposedly found, well, many of those species actually never existed, and it comes to find out years later that they actually kind of just put them together like a Lego set.
unidentified		So I don't know if I trust many of these people, especially when I was affiliated with the Smithsonian Institute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying that you think dinosaurs never existed and that these things that we see put together with millions of bones are big fakes.
unidentified		It could very well be true that something like dinosaurs once existed, but all the crazy concoctions they come up with, I'm not exactly the first one to step in line in the, I believe everything they're saying in line.
unidentified		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the big bunch of bones that would be a Tryanosaurus rex, for example, they're frequently put on display.
		You just don't believe that.
		You think it's concocted.
unidentified		Well, we know, actually, if you look back at the records of archaeologists and paleontologists, that many of the dinosaur species that are still popularly portrayed in, you know, like the Jurassic Arc movies, they actually never existed.
unidentified		They were just concocted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I guess you can believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that supports your belief in God in what way?
unidentified		It supports my belief that on both sides of the fence, the religious and the atheistic, there are many concoctions, many smoke and mirrors, if you will.
unidentified		And we don't have an accurate depiction of what's actually going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't see how you can support both concepts.
		Somebody who absolutely does not believe in God, that there is a God, and somebody who is religious and has faith.
		How can you do anything that would seem to underline both?
unidentified		Well, I think it's somehow the truth is in the middle almost always, you see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what would that middle be?
unidentified		Well, could it be possible that we are both our own creator and our creator at the same time?
		The creation and the creator in one.
		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds like a new religion to me.
unidentified		Maybe so, but one more thing, if I may, before I leave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may.
unidentified		Okay.
		Have you ever done any study?
		I know Whitley Strieber has, I do believe, on the topic of archons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know what archons are, yes.
unidentified		Now, I would be very interested maybe in the future of you having an archonic guest on.
unidentified		It's a very interesting subject that ties into both of these topics, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'll search somebody out.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the first four days of the week we devote to guests.
		Some of them, and by the way, this is what I do on my program and what I've always done.
		And that is sort of go between what some people would call crazy or wild and science.
		And then something else that's a little crazy and wild and back and forth.
		And that's what I have always done in all the years that I've been on the air.
		Let's go to, I don't know, Danville, Virginia on the phone.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is John in Danville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, John.
unidentified		Pleasure to talk with you again.
unidentified		I first heard you in 1997, I think it was, when you did the 50th anniversary at Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be, yes.
unidentified		And I've been addicted ever since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		I just want to make a couple comments to Matt, and I'm sorry he's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am, too, but I mean, we tried.
unidentified		You listen.
		If he were here, I would like to ask him to hold out his hand and look at that handful of nothing and explain to me how that handful of nothing is going to create a universe out of itself.
		Everything around us, the entire universe, it created itself from nothing.
		Something had to create it.
		And if he would say, well, it took trillions and trillions of years, then I was going to say, if I fly up in an airplane at 10,000 feet and throw a deck of cards out, what are the odds against that deck of cards at 10,000 feet landing back on the ground, perfectly stacked, neatly, all suits in order and numerical order?
		I mean, what, trillions and zillions to one?
		Well, so much more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do get what you're saying, and you might have been a worthy opponent for Matt.
		And I'm so sorry, you know, that the show is ending, and there's not much I can do about it.
		I'm just shocked.
		I'm shocked that we didn't get a better opposition from Matt, aren't you?
unidentified		Yes, and to me, science proves God if you got the time to sit down and talk it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
		All right.
		Science proves God.
		What a night.
		What an interesting night.
		And what do those people say, that we've become a godless nation?
		At least one not able to reasonably debate that possibility.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Might buy that.
		Just an amazing night.
		All right.
		Thank you all very much.
		It is going to be a beautiful weekend.
		I'm going to relax.
		I hope you do too.
		Stay tuned.
		Richard Oakland has some kind of special coming Up.
		He'll be looking at some of the new photography from NASA.
		And they do say Ceres looks a lot like LA down there.

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