Charles Maxwell, a London-born filmmaker with aerospace engineering ties, explores crop circles—complex formations in Wiltshire’s chalk aquifers—like the 2008 "Pie Circle," where plasma energy altered wheat yields by 20-30% without killing plants. His $150K "Sweet Potato" prototype, inspired by fractal patterns and neodymium magnets, stalled due to funding but aligns with Nassim Haramein’s electric-field theories. Critics question his methods, while callers speculate on government suppression, alien messages (like the 2009 Sherbolton "script"), and HAARP’s role in ham radio anomalies. Maxwell insists only physically verified circles merit study, dismissing hoaxes like the ASCII disc at Chill Bolton. The episode blends fringe science with unsettling patterns—from NDEs to cosmic alignments—hinting at hidden forces reshaping reality beyond conventional explanation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Now, we did lose one today, and it is so sad.
It was Quick Carl who decided to leave us.
He says he is canceling his subscription directly, both to myself and Richard, because of what people on Belgab have been saying about his wife and the fact that MV, the guy who owns it, has done nothing to stop it.
This is sad, Quick Carl.
Sorry to hear it.
However, Quick Carl, I'm told, hangs out in the political section of Belgab, which is like hanging out in the hottest section of hell.
I mean, I'd rather go to the dark net with my Social Security tatted on my forehead here.
But so how that happened and why he blames it on us, I don't know.
We have been getting a great deal of smoke here in the southern part of Nevada from those fires.
So we know how bad they are.
But we're not in them.
And now they're up north, small mountain town north of San Francisco, which was really nice back when they had the bad fires before and opened all their schools and everything up.
And now that town itself, Middletown, is evacuated and it is gutted by another blaze that shocked firefighters by its strength and speed.
It's the drought.
And those are all things coming home to roost.
And then if we get the projected rain this winter, the fires will at least then be put out by the mudslides.
I would imagine.
All right, I get emails, you know, from people that are strange.
This one really caught me, and I don't know what to make of it.
It says, I'm going to get right to the point.
You're going to love this.
On December 21st, 2010, my girlfriend climbed the ladder that went up to the attic.
I asked her what she was doing, didn't get a response.
I grabbed her legs, and she was like stone.
I couldn't move her.
She was half in, half out of the attic, legs still on the ladder.
When she finally came down, she was a completely different person, talking different, acting like a 50s housewife.
She actually started cleaning, and that's what scared me.
You can hear her growling after I ask her to tell me that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
Well, maybe she was in talking to that fellow I had on Friday that I couldn't find competition for.
It's not that God is dead, just some of his people are not real active.
Anyway, back to the story.
She says all this mockingly, kind of laughs.
There are orbs that are constantly flying around the room, which I only saw in the video.
I even showed her a porno magazine to see what she'd say.
I got a strange response.
Put your playthings away, she said, something like that.
Normally, she would have beaten me.
Really?
I would like you to see it, the video that is, get your opinion.
But you only don't, I don't want it public just yet.
There are three videos, and in the last one, she admits to never going into the room she just cleaned.
The next day, I went into the attic and called out anything that might be there claiming that I was a man of God, and you better come face to face with me.
There was a rocking chair.
I touched it, and it fell to pieces.
There's just so much to tell.
But this is a strange story, indeed.
So I have requested the video, he says, Roswell's, and thank you.
Coming up in a moment, Charles Maxwell, who was born in London and will have an appropriate accent, where he attended Millfield and has been overheard telling people quite proudly that Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear did also.
Well, he didn't, actually.
Maxwell attended Southern Methodist University in Texas and graduated with a degree in English.
He attended graduate school at the University of Colorado, Denver.
While making a field full of secrets, that's his book.
Maxwell discovered the stunning hidden science of crop circles, which led him down the path of rendering designs into a 3D machine, a ship driven by never-before-seen propulsion technology.
Maxwell lives in Malibu, California.
This is very contact-ish, isn't it?
A machine from Crop Circles?
I recall, well, anyway, let us bring on our guest and say good evening.
So the first question here is, what is a crop circle?
And I don't want to ask that because I kind of know what one is, and I think most of my audience knows what crop circles are, unless you have a definition that goes beyond the norm.
Well, my first crop circle was a formation called the Pie Circle in 2008 in a place called Barbary Castle in Wiltshire, England.
And I felt overwhelmed.
It really threw me for a loop.
Again, imagine, I'm sure this is easy for listeners to imagine, that you've been searching for so long and then you're suddenly up against the real thing.
It's a bit unnerving.
It's a bit spooky to actually be walking around in a circle where you look at the plants and you say, goodness me, I don't think this is fake.
I think this is the real deal.
That's just about the most exciting feeling you can have in the world.
And what it boils down to is it's literally this simple.
Jeff Wilson is an American researcher with the ICCRA.
That's the International Crop Circle Research Association.
And he says it's this simple, folks.
All you need is a ruler and 35 samples from in the circle, 35 from without the circle, which we call our control.
And then you measure the length of something called the apical node of the plant.
Now, whether it's barley or wheat, these freestanding stalks, they have knuckles, just like your finger.
And what happens is when we measure them statistically, these knuckles in certain formations, there is a significant difference between the controls.
They have elongated, and in certain instances, we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves here, we have something called an expulsion cavity in that apical node in the plants, where it literally explodes from the inside out, rather like a channel.
And I was mentioning that generally those little explosions, you know, I've spent years with Crop Circles, Linda, and I became convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt that some of them are real, as in not man-made and not done by the environment.
And that doesn't leave much.
So I believe in them, but I also believe that a bunch of them are hooey.
And that is one way you decide, I guess.
Nobody's going to be in the field with a microwave oven snapping those things.
What we also get, and this has been recorded by people like Dr. Terence Meaden, again Jeff Wilson with the ICCRA, and a group called BLT Research, who were the superstars of the science aspect of this phenomenon.
And what all of those folks noticed was they went into these formations with magnetometers, with various sensitive instruments, and they were able to detect some kind of pollution, microwave and plasma pollution, in various circles.
And it fluctuated.
Some circles would be very heavy in microwave, and some would be very heavy in plasma.
And so they looked at this and they said, well, what, and obviously we're ignoring the fakes here, but in these microwave and these plasma circles, what's happening to the plants?
What's happening to the physiology?
And in fact, Leavenger, W.C. Leaving, who's part of this BLT research team, he's no longer with us, unfortunately.
He passed away last year.
He was a botanist, and he actually published in peer-reviewed journals on this.
And so we don't have to spend a lot of time on it because preaching to the choir, and I think most of the people out there would probably agree with me.
There have been several, honestly, Charles, where I just went, no way.
This is what people have to understand is the English summertime.
You have about four and a half hours of darkness on the Wilshire Plains.
Light and sound carry extremely well out there.
So, for instance, if I use my cell phone in a field, you can see me almost a mile away at night.
And same with dogs barking and things like that.
So it becomes harder and harder, especially if you bear in mind there's people like me out disguised as bushes every season trying to catch you, making these circles.
Now, what we do, we did actually, we thought we caught some people, and you can see in the film how we actually managed to ambush some Spanish backpackers who most definitely were not making crop circles.
So these are some of the problems we run into.
And then you mentioned, obviously, hoaxing.
You've just kind of touched on that.
That's a huge, huge element where people go out and with boards and string, they will try and trip you up.
Let me preface it by saying Colin Andrews, who's the father of the phenomenon, got into a lot of trouble a few years for claiming it was about 85% fake.
Well, we have to look at the environment, the landscape, and in particular, that very small area between Averey, Silbury Hill, and Stonehenge in Wiltshire.
What's different about that?
Why is it Crop Circle Central?
And what it turns out, this goes to the work of John Burke, is that most of the crop circles in the world come down in this very small area, which happens to be over the largest chalk aquifer in the world.
So that's very interesting.
So then John Burke looked at that and said, what's going on here?
Why is this the case?
And what he discovered is that over the summer months, as the water, the enormous amount of rain that we get in England over the rest of the year moves through that water table, that chalk aquifer, it creates a ground charge.
And that perhaps this ground charge is how the real circles are being created.
If I were the government, and thank God I'm not, but if I were and highly placed in the government, somewhere as a science advisor, perhaps I don't know to the Prime Minister, you know what I'd do?
If I found that crop circles, some of them were real and they had real messages in them for humanity and they really did Come from out there somewhere, I would start making fake crop circles and I'd try to debunk the whole damn thing.
You see some teams, if I can be honest, that are not just out there for fun.
They're extremely professional.
They're extremely coordinated.
To give you an idea, some of these circles, they cover the length of a football field.
They require fiord lights and surveying equipment to even attempt.
So I'll go a little bit further, actually, Art, and say that not only are there some very serious people making some of these formations, but they seem to have the kind of accuracy we only see really from military-trained individuals who work in units in the middle of the night.
To find out how close they're all clustered, crop circles, we do things called aerial sorties in helicopters.
It's also good for us to show you, you know, we can film them.
In order to do anything like that in Wiltshire, it's two-thirds militarized.
So they're constantly running live-fire drills.
You have to clear your flight with at least three air bases, military bases, that are in the area.
And so if the military has to cooperate with you and they give you clearance and they say, for instance, there's some Apache gunships on the deck.
Be careful about those.
Stay above 1,000 feet.
And you get all this kind of stuff.
I think they're, well, I know that they're as curious as we are because I've actually filmed, we have in the film, we have an Apache gunship below its kind of legal intraction zone.
And it's very curiously examining a yin-yang formation.
And we saw this a few times.
So I think that they're trying to get to the bottom of it, just like we are.
And perhaps they're a little bit shaken by the fact that these things can appear right under our noses.
And it's good to know why and who's doing it.
And that many of those questions haven't been answered.
Well, I know that you are going to make a claim tonight that you have put 2D crumb circles together in a 3D visualization and came up with a plan for a ship.
Now, that's just like that's right out of contact almost.
So you have to find what's the central axis of rotation, and then you just take it from a 2D image and you lathe it around that central axis.
And you end up looking at something that looks a lot like a blueprint for a machine.
So that's what happened was we had actually returned from England having been in 42 different crop circles, about five of which perhaps if we're really being honest, could have been real.
Two or three were definitely real.
And we come back and we're kind of stumped.
We've reached a dead end in terms of our research.
That's when I was contacted by an inventor by the name of Nikola Romansky who said, look, you've got to see this.
I've articulated a particular crop circle that was called the Sanctuary from 2009, which actually came down while we were on the ground.
We weren't able to get to it in time before it was harvested.
But we were really interested.
And when I saw this decoding in a very simple Autodesk video, it blew my mind.
I thought, well, there's several things we're looking at here that look very much like blueprints.
It looks like they're describing some kind of boundary conditions for an energy field.
We could see that there were elements that seemed to suggest the use of masers.
So again, you know, it's very interesting when you see a blueprint, what you think is a blueprint, and you find traces of what could be microwave technology, having already established there's microwave energy in these real circles.
So we saw a match there.
And in particular, we were looking at the top of that formation.
And if you articulate and turn the top of that formation into a 3D blueprint, you're looking at what looks identically to a Klystron array for a microwave.
And I thought, at that stage, looking at that, looking at the fact that this was all meaned out using the golden section, and looking at the final fact, because we're trying to be scientific here, Art.
So the circles that we articulated had to have certain conditions.
In fact, what I thought is that military satellites is one solution, but it could also just be weather satellites.
Let's put it this way.
If you want to retask a satellite and make sure that you've positioned it correctly, one of the ways to do that, and perhaps to have a little laugh as well, would be to create some kind of location technique involving the ground.
So I think that they can definitely be the result of satellite technology.
And in fact, that is perhaps the most probable source.
It's very interesting when you look at crop circles, only 20% of them have any kind of association with orbs or actual UFOs.
And that's a bit confusing.
So we look at this and we say, well, where is the message originating from?
And to be honest, it seems like it's a really loud conversation with several different sources, some of whom we know are hoaxing.
But there's several conversations going on at the same time.
But that doesn't mean, though, Charles, that a military satellite designed, for example, to stop an ICBM in its lift phase might not do something like that.
Again, we were looking at less the cause and kind of we were looking at the effect and saying, well, what is this machine designed to do that we might be seeing here?
If we were to build this, for instance, what's it going to do for us?
Very basic, in terms of like being in a helicopter, flying out of Thruxton Air Base, sorry, not Air Force Base, Thruxton Air Base, which is a commercial airfield.
We would fly out of there in our helicopters.
And of course, any movement that you make in Wiltshire, which is two-thirds militarized, you need their permission.
So they're actually being, the military do cooperate.
They're not as nefarious in this particular instance.
And in fact, my uncle's a colonel, was a lieutenant colonel for the MOD.
And so we know that they're very interested.
When you talk to people like John Martinow, who's been associated, he's a brilliant guy.
He's actually more of an astronomer, a rogue astronomer.
But he had noted that when he talked to friends of his who were in the military, they say, look, we're just as curious as you are.
We'd really like to get to the bottom of it because this is an invasion of our airspace several times a summer.
Do you know what I mean?
So they are curious.
I wish I could tell you more.
There's something that Colin Andrews was a part of called Operation Blackbird, which was supposed to be an operation involved where the military and researchers kind of got on the same page and tried to get to the bottom of this.
Ultimately, Blackbird wasn't very successful.
What seems to have happened is smokers came in under their noses and created a crop circle.
So there was a lot of confusion and not a lot was achieved.
What did come out of Blackbird, and this was confirmed by a radio personality, was a D notice, the first D notice since the war.
A D notice is something that's issued in England, which is where they literally shut down the press and they say, look, this is a national security issue.
Shut down your cameras until we know what's going on.
For instance, Nick Pope, who did used to work with the Ministry of Defense, has said, look, there was no denotice.
But again, we have radio personalities who really had no official connection with the crop circles confirming that, in fact, they were told to shut down their equipment.
Well, this gets back to the aquifer tech, the aquifer technology, and the fact that they seem to be tracing out for us, because they often come down right on these ancient sites.
So they'll be across the road from Stonehenge, or they'll be across the road from Silbury Hill, and they seem to be describing a fertility science to us.
Well, again, this is the work of John Burke.
And what he noticed is that, just to try and keep it really simple, in the morning when the sun comes up, there's a tide of electrons and photons that wash over the landscape as the sunlight comes up.
And that when this happens, there are places in the landscape called electromagnetic discontinuities.
This was Burke's work.
And that's a fancy way of saying the rocks simply change density in type.
So you might have a strata of slate in the middle of limestone or something, and it changes the ground charge.
I can tell you, for instance, that Avery Stone Circle actually has an avenue or two of, again, standing stones, and then it almost describes a womb if you see it from the air.
So that's interesting.
But what it seems like, what was happening here is if you look at Levengood's work on the blown nose, just to go back there for a sec, he did a lot of experiments and he noticed that the next year, in real circles, the crops that grew there were stronger and had a greater yield of protein and were just overall healthier, by about 20 to 30 percent from the controls.
So again, the question is why?
What's going on here?
And it seems like microwave radiation, by the way, kills plants.
But plasma energy seems to have the opposite effect.
If we have negatively charged ions in the atmosphere, it seems to really help what Levengood called embryogenesis, the actual germination of the seeds, the very mystical kind of process of life itself, seem to be boosted by these plasma fields.
So we then get to this idea that the ancients were aware of these magnetic anomalies.
They built their temples over them.
They went there to worship, but also they would take their seeds, you see R, place them there overnight, they'd become electrically charged, and they'd get the same effects.
So what Burke said is, look, this is a fertility science that we've forgotten that's being described pretty accurately here.
And these crop circles are actually drawing our attention back to these sites where we find these magnetic anomalies.
And this is the case not just in England, but I found this was the case also at Serpent Mound in Ohio, where we had a crop circle come down in 2006.
And so you find this not just in Wiltshire, but elsewhere as well.
You see, if we can find something that gives us an edge where perhaps we can grow crops for, you know, easier, we can guarantee we can make some dent in the growing food problem.
You know, as you know, yeah, we're running into food and water shortages of epic proportions.
So it goes beyond being a mere curiosity about UFOs, and it becomes something that you really must look at.
We definitely were able to articulate some circles and pull out some blueprints that we did our best to bring those into the real world through a very long two-year R ⁇ D process working with aerospace engineers.
But in terms of the code actually being properly broken, I think the man you should talk to is Nassim Haramein because he has a much greater kind of understanding of the holistic code.
Crop circles confirm this code, but he finds it many other places as well, like the Bible and in the geometry of various cells and processes.
So what we did was we had we used I think 20 between 12 and 24 neodymium magnets that we had to get actually cut to order.
We worked with a company in Simi Valley called Ritec.
They were aerospace engineers and they helped us with the chassis which we made out of aluminum 606 one.
That's actually to people at home that's the stuff that commercial airlines are built out of.
So we were worried about the stresses and the tensions that it was going to undergo spinning at so many revolutions a minute that we thought we better get the best material.
Yes, if you look at the design art, it's very saucer-like.
And again, I said, well, this is just spooky.
This looks like we're building a UFO.
And what Nicola described to me is if you look at the electromagnetic field we were trying to generate around the machine, in the same way that a sailboat is designed uniquely to travel by wind, we were trying to harness EM kind of waves and use them.
And I'm not sure how effective we would have been, but that was the idea, was to really try and create this self-contained standing wave function and then see if we could do if that would affect the plasma in the center of that reaction.
But we had to narrow that down to three because our criteria were so strict.
So for instance, Nicola said, look, I really think that this is a boundary condition in this crop set.
And I said, well, you can't use, it has to be all there.
So let's take what we know is real.
Let's make sure the nodes are all blown in these designs because I'm not interested in hoaxed circles.
And then let's see how they fit together.
And to be honest, that was a problem.
Because they didn't come with labels or this part goes there.
It was very much, like I said, there were certain elements, you'd see a klystron, and you think, wow, maybe there's microwave energy being modulated here.
But then how exactly we pull that off, it had never been done before, you see.
So every step of the way, we had to come up with our own solution.
And I'll give you a simple example.
How do you mount this thing with all these magnets and spinning pieces?
What's your mounting technique?
I mean, we ended up with just sticking stuff together with glue, which I thought was, you know, was guaranteed to fail under stress.
You know, everybody, it seems to me, Charles, everybody who tries to design these drives actually does take a very similar route to yours or some variation thereof.
Generally with rotating magnetics and something like a Jacobs ladder or what have you in the center and sometimes modulated or kicked off with lasers.
So I've heard this from many different guests.
So anyway, I guess this specific design came from I believe you said three crops.
So there were two in England and there was one actually by Serpent Mound in Ohio that when we articulated them, they didn't require any additional tinkering.
You're just staring at a blueprint.
And so one of them, for instance, would describe boundary conditions for the field.
Another one, like I said, would have kind of the klystron and the majority of the machine would be described there.
But there's part, I'm not going to lie here, there was stuff that really looked at and we said, well, what on earth is that?
And it was up to Nikki, really, Nicola, to try and figure that out.
Now, traditionally, let's say NASA's building a new vehicle.
One guy or a few guys have an idea.
Then you hand it off to 400 other engineers and scientists, and then they will outsource.
But instead, we put this all in Nicola's lap, so it was between Nicola and I and my producer, Dax Phelan, to try and figure out how do we do what we, well, at least we have never done before, and we don't think anyone else has.
And right as it was all falling to pieces, I discovered that this man, Nassim Haramain, was doing essentially the exact same thing.
But he met with us over lunch, and he said, look, he said, you guys are really, you know, you shouldn't beat yourself up because I was a bit depressed in that state.
I thought we had failed.
But I was encouraged that someone else was coming at it from a relatively similar angle.
Although I have to say, Nassim's code is not our code.
His is much more elegant, much more cohesive, and has multiple sources, whereas we were just working from crop circles.
What Nassim found in crop circles was confirmation of what he already knew.
It was this one shape, particular shape, that he was seeing from, that I believe was related to kind of Buckmister Fuller-type geometries.
Now, what he said was, because I asked him, I said, where did we go wrong?
Were we even onto something?
Did I waste my time?
That's the question.
It's a bit of a loaded question, but I was in a particular funk.
And he said, look, guys, so you really were right about some fundamental things.
You were right about the rotation.
You were right about the plasma.
You were right to try.
And then he told us about, he said, look, Edison found a thousand ways not to make a light bulb before he found the right way.
And then he referred us to the Wright brothers, which I think is overstake.
We're nowhere near the right.
But the point being, when the Wright brothers actually performed their first flight, there was math art that came out in major publications and in newspapers saying, this is a hoax.
This is ridiculous.
And here's the math to prove that human flight is totally impossible.
And we include those Articles in the film.
So you can see, you know, he made a lovely point and he really encouraged us.
But what it comes down to is, why is he going to succeed or why is he going to get closer than we are?
And it comes down to this, because I did ask him, I said, what did we do wrong?
He said, you can't spin metal that fast.
He said, your math was way off.
And again, this is math that had never been done really before.
He said, but your metal would have liquefied once you got over a certain number of RPMs, and you still wouldn't have got close to the kind of energy you need for kind of a singularity, for that plasma to kind of fold in on itself and collapse in an implosion.
So I said, well, how do you do it then?
He said, you can't spin the metal.
You have to spin the field.
And the light bulb went off in my head, because it's a genius way of approaching it.
So instead of spinning metal and getting doused in liquid aluminum, right, while you're performing this experiment, he actually has created amplifiers that he's patented that will spin the electric field instead.
It's a much more elegant solution, and I think he's going to get some kind of effect from it.
And he demonstrates for me, I'm not really allowed to talk about exactly what he did, but he showed us some very simple devices that he had made according to the design, the geometries of the vacuum, as he calls it.
And these things are literally drawing four volts, and I don't know from where.
I've seen this with my own eyes.
They're not hooked up to any kind of power source.
So it's exciting stuff working with that guy.
Not working, but getting to pick his brain for an afternoon and having him say, look, you guys, you've got close, but you really should be spinning things that aren't matter.
Well, I'm telling you, there are many, many people right now, Charles, working on various forms of drives, whether they be an electromagnetic drive or whether they be some other form.
It's really an intense area of work right now because if man ever wants to really go to space, you know, beyond possibly going to the moon, if we want to go anywhere real and we want to get there in a reasonable amount of time and not devote generations of travelers to it, it's going to be the only way.
If you can take a look at that at some point and to the folks at home, you'll see not only the machine and every part of it, you'll also see the full articulation of the main crop circle that started it all.
So we're pretty open about all of this, and we welcome the criticism.
We just really wanted to push the envelope, and it became almost an activist against the way things are done.
All right, listen, I'm about to open the phone lines, so here's the way that goes.
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Following this show tonight, RCH is going to have another man working on a drive as well.
I mean, we're getting all kinds of feedback from all kinds of people on a drive that will get us the hell off this planet.
I mean, in a way that really will allow us to navigate space.
And I mean, space beyond our moon, space beyond Mars, space.
You know, really out there.
So I'm thinking this is really, really, really important stuff.
We had another gentleman on, you'll recall, not many nights ago, also working on a drive.
And that one bent a little bit of space.
Not so much time, but space.
And one of these is going to work.
I can't tell you which one.
I can't tell you when.
I can't tell you if it's going to be the product of three crop circles in design.
I can't tell you if one of these physicists is going to stumble into it, and that's it.
We're going to go from people trapped basically on the planet and or nearby it to people that can actually travel to the stars.
And if you can think of something more important than that, especially with the current condition of the planet, I'm all ears.
All right, Charles, welcome back.
Thanks, sir.
So away went a lot of your money.
And I guess you were somewhat depressed.
And Nassin Harriman brought your spirits up a little bit.
So is there anywhere else to go?
I mean, if you really do have plans from elsewhere for a drive that will get us from here to wherever, this is really still extremely, extremely important stuff.
Because you then have the problem of trying to bring it to market.
And there's all kinds of problems there, not the least of which is the massive oil industry, which I don't think is in a huge hurry to give up trillions of dollars of revenue a year for something that potentially only needs maintenance.
You see, the idea was not just that our machine or any of these drives, because there's many ways to skin a cat, that not just that this machine would be potentially a vehicle, but it could also be an energy generator and with very few moving parts.
Therefore, your biggest cost is fixing it when it breaks, but it doesn't require a whole lot of fuel.
Yeah, well, I guess what I'm saying here is if what you're saying is holds any water, and you put $150,000 into it, so I'm thinking you think it really holds water.
You know, the design has got to go somewhere else.
I agree, and I think that's what the film is about, is to put, so that we have hit a dead end here.
We've gone as far as we could take it, but we do want other people to look at what we've done, to look at other things as well and say, oh, clearly they were wrong.
They just needed to do this.
We're looking for that.
We want to inspire people to pick up the mantle and run with it, you know, and really succeed where we failed.
We feel like we're one of these light bulbs, but one of them is going to go up.
And in fact, you mentioned these drives that are out there.
There's some really interesting work that's, again, so simple, yet genius, related to the universe and what it's actually doing, which is the work of David Lapointe.
And again, what we're just looking at is two interacting electromagnetic, or real rather one field that's male and female, electromagnetic field in a toroidal kind of shape.
And this is really exciting because it does confirm kind of what we're on to and what Nassim is trying to do.
And it's very elegant and it's simple to understand.
You don't need to know how to dismantle a quadratic equation or to even understand relativity to understand that the universe is electric.
Oh, yeah, that's very, yes, that's very good, Tom.
Okay, I think you're referring to the work of Paul Vigay, the late researcher.
And Paul was a mathematician, and what he discovered, and this was also reflected by the, oh no, I'm going to get this wrong, I think it's the London Psychical Society, Psychic Research Society, but they noticed that, yes, in fact, some of these crop circles, mathematically at least, seem to suggest certain notes.
And then Vigay actually went and made a tune out of various circles.
It's hard to say where that would lead because he did die rather suddenly.
The official report is he committed suicide in England.
By the way, his family discussed that.
His family disputes that, Tom.
But that's, yeah, you're absolutely right.
It seems to be sometimes that we have to look at the geometry and say, what is it representative of?
And so that's one instance.
I wish I could answer your question completely, but that's the reason that we couldn't afford to lose Paul, really.
unidentified
Yeah, I always found that very fascinating because I think music would be definitely one universal way to communicate.
And in fact, there is, I've mentioned this man before, John Martineau, wrote a book called The Little Book of Coincidences, Tom, that you might find very interesting about things like the fact that Venus is described in the sky as an almost complete pentagon every eight years.
And you get these really lovely, stunningly beautiful geometries when you describe the relationship of the orbits of Mars to Earth and Mercury to Mars.
And he's done all these in this book by Wooden Press, a little book of coincidences.
So you can see those periods and those orbitals, and they're amazing.
They're so, you know, again, it looks like just really impressive cohesive geometry.
I think that as long as we get across the point that we are coming from observational science here, that we're not just channeling the Pleiades or anything.
So we contend that there's actually a lot of electricity out there and a lot of plasma.
And this is David Talbert's wonderful work that kind of turned me onto this.
But this idea that curvature space-time, the Einsteinian relativistic model, it's got all kinds of problems.
And when you really look at who's making the advances, who makes the major inventions, the Marconi's, the Teslas, the Edisons, these are electrical engineers working in the real world with electricity.
And there were articles, there's a peer-reviewed article by the late W.C. Leavengood in a journal called Physiologia Plantarum, which is a Dutch publication.
And this is issue 92.
And the article is called Anatomical Anomalies in Crop Circle, in Crop Formation Plants, I'm sorry.
And it goes into these protein discoveries, the yields.
But it's very simple.
All that Mr. Levenger did was that he took controls from outside the circle and he grew them.
He germinated the seeds.
And then he went to what's called the shadow of a former circle where we knew there'd been a really interesting crop circle the year before.
And he did that again with that.
And this was done statistically.
So they did it with tens of thousands of plant samples.
This was not random.
It was very scientific.
And that's what they found.
They found that they're stronger, healthier.
They have 20 to 30% more protein.
And you can see this in the side-by-side comparisons that Levengood provided, which are in our film as well, actually.
So you can literally see that the crops are affected plants, they're just taller and healthier and more vital.
Earlier on, your guest made a reference to the Chill Bolton Radio Telescope crop circle.
And I've always been really fascinated by that one, particularly the response where they show what looks like a bizarre radio antenna, kind of like a fractal antenna.
First of all, I didn't mention Chibalton earlier, but I should have, so thank you.
The antenna array, I have no idea.
And the reason I don't is because I'm only willing to comment on circles I was in physically, that I studied or that I got really, or that we got fantastically reliable data about blown nodes.
And if that's the case, there has to be a lot of photographic evidence.
I like to talk to people who have been in this circle.
This is just kind of doing primary context research.
Do you know what I mean?
Right.
Going to Chibaltan, the antenna, I really don't know.
I can tell you that the disc, the ASCII disc in the face, as much as people have fallen in love with that thing, is fake.
It came down over three days.
And I know this because Andreas Muller went down there to Chibalton and talked to a farm manager.
And he said, clear as day, it was a three-day formation.
So the ASCII disc that everyone goes nuts about with the alien, the typical gray holding that disc is undoubtedly fake.
My first question is, have you thought about putting up like a closed-circuit TV surveillance cameras near the crop circle site so that you can actually capture footage of the crop circles being made, which I think would give a lot of credit.
It would lend a lot of credibility to it, I think, and attract some real scientists.
And then my second question is, and I've used this to crowdfund web series before.
Have you thought about doing like Indiegogo or Kickstarter or GoFundMe to gather not only funds to continue with your project, but also gather the possibly some real technicians who can come in there and make your saucer and drive work for you?
What I've decided, and I didn't arrive at this easily, is that we have some significant flaws in our design.
So that if I were to continue funding, I would hit the same problems.
And those problems we've discussed a little bit, stuff like mounting, the fact that I could never get that disk to rotate anywhere close to the speed it needed to bend that plasma with an EM field.
So what I would prefer to do, mate, is to find a more viable version like Naceemes and invest there.
And I think that we need to be smart and discerning about how we, which technologies we endorse.
And yeah, and my second question is, we sent a message into space with our DNA coding and right below it was the shape of a human.
And then I guess I'm not sure years later if we received the message back and it had like different DNA coding and an alien right below it in a crop circle.
Well, you're referring to, let me see, that's the data strip response is what you're referring to, where actually the little gray fella was supposed to be silicon-based.
My favorite guest of yours from 2000 or so was a guy named Michael Schuman, Dr. Michael Schuman, man from Skeptics Magazine.
Yes.
And I'm not going to call a skeptic, but I kind of look at all things in a roundabout way.
Now, corpor circles, I've heard many people speak of them.
Most every one of them have approached them from the idea of debunking them.
And then they mostly find out they can debunk about 93% of them, and they accept the other 7% as being real.
And I would kind of think from my skepticism that maybe there's 7% of people who can fool that person.
But in this guy, in this guy's name is Charles, is it?
Hi.
In your case, I would say there is a good possibility that observing crop circles triggered something in your mind that answered some questions in your mind, and then you came to these worthwhile conclusions and built something, which may be the right thing, may not.
But I've seen elephants in the clouds, so to speak.
Your imagination can be stimulated, and it can confirm.
Well, you've struck on a very good point, my friend, and I'm not going to just let it go.
I think what you're saying to some extent is, and I've noticed this, I'm not going to dispute it, is that crop circles can be something like a Rorschach test.
So there is the possibility that you bring your own kind of decoding, as it were.
You see what you want to see.
And you could certainly levy that argument against me and say, well, he was looking for technology and he found it.
I think actually that's a very legit question.
And I don't really know how to answer, except that we tried very hard by using scientific method to kind of divorce ourselves from that possibility.
So you have Dr. Raymond Moody wrote Life After Life, and he did extensive studies interviewing dozens, I don't know how many people, but quite a number of people that died and came back.
And they all had very similar stories about seeing a being of light, of loving white light.
And some of them called it Jesus.
Some of them called it God.
Some of them didn't say it was God, but there was definitely a presence there.
And the thing that really convinced me was that after they had very vivid experiences, even though their brains were shut off and their hearts weren't beating, they described it as more real than this existence.
You mean that he would call in as he's underground waiting for the big one?
unidentified
Yeah, letting us know what's happening from, I guess you would call it, the underside or whatever, and when he decides to come back out, or if not, if he decides to stay.
Well, I guess when he comes out, he could say, well, it didn't happen.
I'm glad.
unidentified
Now I'm going home.
Well, I guess, but I obviously am a skeptic about it, but I think I'm kind of fascinated at the mindset of someone that would go to that length and is so convinced that it's going to happen.
I really do agree that somebody would be so convinced of something that just sort of grew and germinated on the internet that they would flee where they live.
I know.
It's remarkable.
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And I'd kind of like to follow that mindset as it progresses throughout the next week.
And who knows if he's right.
We may never know.
But if he's wrong, I'd kind of like to follow that progress and what maybe truths he comes to.
You saw an orb with your eye or something that was rendered on the camera?
unidentified
Okay, I was outside, and I saw it passing across the street, and it rested on the roof of the garage across the street from me and just sat there, and it was like it was observing me, like I was observing it.
The ones they catch on camera are pretty much baloney, in my opinion.
But seeing one with your bare eyes beats me.
unidentified
And the strangest thing of it is, it was like 20 years, this happened like four years ago, I think.
But a fellow that I became friends with where I worked about 20 years prior to this was telling me that he was going home one day, and this was like in the middle of the afternoon, and he was describing what I saw, an orb.
And I didn't know whether he was making it up or what, because I didn't know him that well at the time.
And until I saw one, and I'm going through my mind when I saw it, I'm going through, I'm thinking different things on what it could be.
And then all of a sudden it dawned on me, this is what it is.
And the light that it gave out was unlike any kind of light I've ever observed.
It didn't, like when it was passing behind trees, it didn't light up any.
The trees should have been lit up.
The leaves, the surface of the garage roof should have had some kind of light.
I'm going to make a guess, Steve, that what you saw was a plasma ball.
And that's all it is, is a guess.
But light that would exist, perpetuate itself like that, sounds to me like a plasma Ball, and they do have them.
Scientists don't fully understand them.
It's another one of those things that's just plain weird.
But we know they do exist, and they move in ways that make no sense, and they pop in and out of existence, sometimes associated with thunder storms, sometimes not.
So I wish I could tell you more, but that's kind of what I know.
At the time, I decided I'd get the kids while their memories were fresh and we'd write down exactly what happened so that we wouldn't get the mistakes mixed up later on.
And so anyway, he said he couldn't really remember where he'd got his watch from.
And he thought he might have got it from my room.
And I did have a watch that was on the floor of my room, but it wasn't the same watch and it wasn't working.
And that watch was still there anyway.
And he still remembers it.
He's not here at the moment, but he still remembers it.
And, you know, like I said, it's been about seven years since that happened.
And the only thing I can think of that would explain it would be that he somehow we moved into a different timeline.
And I remembered the old timeline and the old timeline came back.
And he made a comment about Horus and Mithra and Jesus and how these were all basically the same figure.
And I actually, for a while, believed that myself.
But upon doing a little bit more investigation, I found out that's not really true.
That Mithras, for instance, was born of a rock and not of a virgin.
And he sacrificed a bull to eat a dinner with a sun god, which is about the closest parallel you could draw.
And Horus was never baptized, nor was he killed.
Osiris, his father, was, but he himself was not.
And these claims, I found out when I was actually doing a research paper on it last year, originate from a guy called Gerald Massey, who was a 19th century, well, he was involved with Madame Blavatsky.
Well, I try to stay away from that, at least with people I don't know very well.
But he did not sound like a particularly scientifically minded person, even though I do believe that he studies or at least reads about science.
I find it hard to believe that he himself actually participates in any scientific experiments.
That's one of the issues that I have with a lot of, well, I guess popular atheists is that they will rely on scientific theories, but they themselves do very little exploration in those matters.
So in the end, they are still relying on other people to get their information.
And the thing is that if you're going to rely on another human for information, I think, especially when you yourself have never examined any of these things, it's a little hypocritical to me to call someone out on their faith, whatever it may be.
Yeah, what's really interesting is that there's more and more, I would hesitate to call it evidence, but some science that suggests spooky things.
For example, there are quasars, which are these large galaxies which have super massive black holes in the middle of them.
And they're all aligned in certain filaments in the universe that's non-random.
And there are different other things like plank length and quantum superpositioning, which kind of, it's reminiscent for if you're playing a video game, you can see that walls will render when you look at them.
But when you're not looking at them, the walls aren't really part of the game because it would use up too much power.
It's sort of similar, it's a similar idea to how you can see electrons that will exist in every sort of possibility until you look directly at them when they're in one place.
If you don't get through and, you know, it'll only ring so long, just try again.
Don't give up.
Persistence will pay off.
And I was thinking about this caller and what he said.
How cool would that be if, or uncool, if one day you went to your computer, you just jogged the mouse a little bit, and your wife went across the room or your child?
But what I think is really interesting is if we are a simulation, how do we respond to it?
What do we do if we want to survive?
What does surviving even mean?
And what some people think is the right answer, which I think is pretty elegant, is we should be in a race to make our own simulation and to make it as accurate as we can to some type of universe.
Because assuming that we're being watched, right, someone who's watching us, someone who's watching us will look and see that we've made a simulation, and then they're going to wonder if they're a simulation.
So they'll stop them from pulling the plug on us.
And it becomes twiddles all the way down.
And what's interesting is where does it end?
Where is the top?
And I think that's a very fun question to think about.
And I think it's a very freeing idea.
And it makes technology seem all the more interesting to me.
They could have put more time and attention to detail into it, but as he said, the funding had run out and there wasn't very much we could do beyond that.
Some of the things he did not mention were the limitations that were placed on the project because of safety.
Primarily, it's like nobody in production really wanted to get burned alive, so we kind of like tabled that for something else some other time.
Thank you very much, Nicola, and I'm glad you called to kind of back them up.
Obviously, the man thought he was really on to something.
Apparently, he was, because the number of, I mean, the people who have looked at it, yourself, Anassin Haramin, I mean, really, I think he was on to something.
And he spent $150,000 of his own money.
So, you know, God bless people like that.
And one day, somebody like that man, if not that man, will invent something that will take us to the stars.
Don't doubt it.
Okay, let's go to the phones, I guess.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes.
I was taken by the guest that you had tonight.
there were certain questions I had for him about the particular crop circle that he has on his, uh, uh, trailer, but, uh, I'm not able to ask him directly.
Anyway, I'm calling to suggest a topic that I believe you've probably touched on in the past.
I'm interested in the theory of multiple universes and the likelihood of a slipping between them, mostly without being noticed, but I'm calling because of a very, well, my husband and I have both had strange events happen to us in the past, in different states at different times.
His is really weird, and I'd like to tell you about that.
We were in a car accident, T-boned by a truck when we were in a small car.
He was temporarily paralyzed, but we were on the way to the doctor, and so we just continued on to the doctor.
He was all right after about 15, 20 minutes.
So a few days later, he had to go in for an MRI.
And this is where it gets strange.
He goes into the hospital, we get the paperwork, go up to that department, and there's people sitting behind the desk, and specifically one woman, another one that left.
And anyway, so we hand over the paperwork and say he's here for his MRI.
And she said, well, he was just here.
He just had an MRI.
And she looked around, I guess, for the paperwork and maybe couldn't find it.
I don't know.
Anyway, I said, no, no, we weren't just here, and he didn't have an MRI.
And she became so frightened that she stayed there for a few minutes and argued with us that he had just been in.
And she literally, she sent us to sit down and wait for the technician because there wasn't anything else she could do.
And she got up and ran out of the room.
So I think, well, maybe that's a little strange.
But then, of course, I don't go in with him.
But the technician, the man comes to the door, calls his name, and says, well, you can't have an MRI.
I just gave you one.
And we argue again that, no, we just got here, and he has not had this MRI.
Well, the technician didn't know what to do, but at least he didn't leave the scene.
He took him in and he had his MRI, and there was some damage, but nothing, you know, we're still around after 46 years of marriage.
So that was the experience, and that's always stuck with me.
Anyway, I wanted to talk a second about ham radio and harp because I really think that I don't know whether you've had much time to play on 75 meters this season, but the bands are acting different than they've ever acted before.
Okay, I'm hearing that in the background very strongly.
All right, I'm going to have to terminate because of that.
But anyway, he's right.
That man is absolutely right.
Conditions have changed in a way that is kind of suspicious, frankly, of HAARP.
I have never quite seen anything like it.
For those of you who are not ham operators, this will not mean much to you.
But 75 Meters was an old, dependable amateur radio band, one in which you could go back night after night after night and talk to friends reliably in, you know, a 1,500 mile or less range.
And that has changed.
It is now true that 75 meters is no longer reliable in that regard.
It does what's called going long, and the people that you generally associate and be able to, normally you're able to talk to them reliably are no longer there.
In other words, you can no longer receive them.
So I want to, even though he had that going in the background, I had to cut the call.
The fact of the matter is that he's right.
Something profound has changed about the lower frequencies of the amateur radio band.
I don't know what that something is.
I just know that it has changed.
It began a few years ago.
It could be associated with the sunspot cycle, I suppose, or...
Or it could be associated with HAARP.
And a lot of ham operators blamed it on HARP.
HARP, by the way, has now been turned over from the military to a university.
And what they're going to do with it, I'm going to have to wait to find out.
Listen, so many hanging on all the lines and all the callers.
Thank you.
Sorry I can't get to you.
We'll do it again.
I guarantee open lines every time we get the opportunity.