Travis Walton, the 1975 Apache National Forest abductee, details his harrowing encounter with a 90-foot metallic craft and "grays" in a new $25 documentary, Travis, featuring researchers like David Childress and Robert Yuriarty. Seven witnesses passed lie detector tests, and Kenneth Peterson later developed skin cancer near the site, while trees showed Chernobyl-like radiation growth. Walton dismisses government-induced hallucination theories, citing consistent accounts and no drug traces, but avoids unverified claims of post-abduction contact. His experience—now linked to centuries-old Navajo oral histories—challenges skepticism rooted in fear, suggesting UFOs defy conventional explanations while reinforcing his unshaken belief in God’s existence amid the unexplained. [Automatically generated summary]
A French search plane is lifting off, looking for more debris near Reunion.
Nothing officially spotted as of yet.
And then this item.
Hi, Art.
Email.
First, welcome back to the Airwaves podcast, late-night radio, and all that.
Great to hear you again.
This photo I took in the winter of 2007.
I took it right after it snowed here in Everett, Washington.
It was around midnight or so, my back deck looking northwest toward Port Gardner Bay, which is part of Puget Sound.
There is a neighbor's house in the background, and there appears to be a ghost image, a pretty awful one, I might add, near the back edge of the deck, and it seems to be looking at me.
Now, I didn't see it at the time of the photo, or the photo would not exist.
I would have been heading indoors at a quick pace, locking the doors behind me.
Hope you find it of interest.
Boy, I sure do, Ron.
Thank you very much.
It's on artbell.com.
If you want to go up and take a look, this thing is carep, by any measure, one of the better either ghost photographs or creature photographs I've ever seen in my life.
So artbell.com.
All right, so in a moment, Travis Walton.
I looked him up on Wiki.
I've interviewed Travis probably six or ten years ago or something.
Travis, Wiki says, is an American logger who was allegedly, and I scratched that word out, who was abducted by UFO, a UFO, on November 5th, 1975 after working with a logging crew in the Apache National Forest in Arizona.
Walton could not be found, but in fact reappeared after a five-day intensive search.
The case received mainstream publicity and remains one of the best-known instances of alien abduction.
Again, I went right past alleged.
UFO historian Jerome Clark writes that few abduction reports have generated as much controversy as the Walton case.
It was made, you know, into a movie, a very, very popular movie called Fire in the Sky.
And prior to doing tonight's interview, I again watched Fire in the Sky with my wife, who was utterly freaked out, completely freaked out.
And so I imagine she is sitting intently listening to this interview.
So what's going to happen is, coming up in a moment, the real McCoy.
That's what he is, the real McCoy, Travis Walton.
Stay right where you are.
These interviews are few and far between.
This is Midnight in the Desert, and I'm Art Bell, as usual, raging in the nighttime.
unidentified
This is Midnight in the Desert, and I'm Art Bell.
It's the night, nothing matters.
In the night, no control through the wall.
Something like where in my walking down the street of my soul.
I'm going to take myself, I'm going to take myself.
I'm going to go to the movie for this, and I know the movie probably got an awful lot of stuff wrong, but there's something I want to ask about, and that is, well, you know what?
I shouldn't ask about that yet.
Tell the story as I suppose Mike might have told it that night.
The movie, is it close enough for comfort or is it far away from what actually occurred?
Well, you know, anytime Hollywood tells a real-life story, they've got to simplify and abbreviate and sort of symbolize things because you're telling in 90 minutes something that spanned years.
So some of that is to be expected and is acceptable.
I had two brothers, Don and Duane, who became one named Dan.
James Garner was several investigators and lawmen rolled into one.
And they actually reduced the number of the crew from seven to six.
And, you know, some of that's acceptable and, you know, understandable.
But the greatest amount of changes were what happened aboard the craft.
And I see no reason for that except commercial conditions.
Yeah, it was a government contract to clear out undergrowth, damaged trees and diseased trees, and, you know, generally clean up forest and also a lot of fuel reduction, which is, you know, Fire reduction strips through the area that makes it easier to fight forest fires that might spring up.
I don't feel that either at all, but it happens, and those years go by.
So you guys were, you know, it started out with everybody in the truck going up there and working.
And I guess that you were on your way home.
It was dark.
And if the movie is accurate, somebody saw something in the distance that, and I guess you were part of this, that they claimed looked at first like a fire.
But, you know, it was definitely not some little glowing point of light off in the distance like the skeptics tried to say it could have been the planet Jupiter.
And this was less than 90 feet away.
Unmistakable metallic disk hovering there.
You know, I threw open the door thinking it would just take off before I got 10 steps outside the truck.
You mean pitch, high, cyclic sort of a sound and then a throbbing, real, below bass sort of sound.
It was really complex.
I gave a talk to an engineering school, and they were very interested in the types of sound that I was hearing because it would give clues about what might be driving this thing.
But the closer I got, the scareder I got.
And so when I got right up to it, I mean, I was awestruck, too.
Well, let me stomp you and ask you, first of all, it's not your average person, Travis, that would get out of the truck and try to run under something like this.
The average person would do what the guys in the truck did after, you know, something happened to you.
They would take off like a bat out of hell.
You know, I mean, that's scary.
So can you remember in your mind what caused you to get out of the truck and try to get under this thing?
Well, that's what I was starting to say is that Alan and Steve thought to them it looked like I was under outside control, that I was in some kind of trance.
But, you know, I think we were all entranced, so to speak.
It was just an incredible, awesome sight.
And all the crewmen agree with that.
And it was just, wow.
And plus the sound.
And plus, there was something in the air, just this feeling.
You know, Mike said it seemed like something was about to happen.
And I think that we were sensing this electrical charge that was building.
And plus the vibration, it was subsonic and ultrasonic.
You know, they said they could feel it vibrating from the metal of the truck, you know.
But because, you know, Mike had turned the engine off because when everybody started exclaiming, he had to lean over To see what everybody was looking at.
But when I got up to where I was looking up at about a 45-degree angle, it was just so astonishing.
It was smooth as glass over the entire surface, but parts of it were glowing and parts of it were metallic.
And it was giving off this glow at the same time you could see the surroundings reflected in the surface.
You know, it's kind of like when you look at a television set and you can see from the window.
And as I was looking up at it, those guys were pretty much in a panic screaming at me to get back in the truck.
And I decided to turn around and run.
But it suddenly got louder and started to move.
And so I just instinctively just jumped for cover.
And there was a log in the middle of the clearing, part of this brush pile that was there.
And so I jumped down behind it and then, you know, immediately, you know, decided to run back to the truck.
But when I stood up, my head and chest at that point became the closest point to that vehicle craft that it had been in that entire time.
And that's with me.
I just felt a shock.
It felt like I'd been physically hit by a truck, but it also felt kind of like an electrical shock, sort of this numbing, sort of a paralyzing feeling.
But that was something I believe just as I blacked out.
I decided to run, but I didn't, just standing up and zap.
And there was, you know, the way it's depicted in the movie, the guy, the actors jerked and then was thrown back.
But they kind of dragged that out.
It was just a, you know, it's strange because Hollywood normally, you know, wants to put on a light show and they really missed an opportunity there because it was far more violent than they depicted.
It was so violent that it was compared, you know, by the crew that was watching to a grenade or a landmine throwing me through the air.
But John said that my body fell like a sack of meat, like there were no bones in it.
They said that no attempt to break my fall or anything to the point where, I mean, the violence was so powerful that they immediately started disagreeing and it killed him.
And frankly, even from watching the movie, I can understand that they thought this thing had killed you.
And of course, at that point, if the movie is accurate, they said, heck with this, we're getting out of here, and went tearing down some of the rest of that road as fast as they could go that after.
I always want to say that those did the right thing at that point.
What was the point in risking everyone's lives to save somebody they thought was already dead?
So anybody that thinks that was cowardly is just wrong.
Mike had the safety of the crew under his responsibility.
When they got up the road, they said that they argued about whether it had actually disintegrated or incinerated me.
And when they were unable to find some deer hunters with guns to come back, they decided they would come back.
Now, in the movie, when Mike said, this truck's going back, anybody who doesn't want to can get out and wait here, nobody volunteered to stand alone in the dark like in the movie.
They all said, no way, we're staying with the truck.
Well, in long-term ongoing research, there was evidence of the craft having been there.
And when the sheriff brought in The tracking dogs from the state prison, they were unable to find the trail going anywhere beyond where my body fell in the middle of that clearing.
And, you know, before we get further with this story, because people are going to be going, oh, come on, when you get into the details, your entire crew was given a lie detector test.
And if I have it right, in the first one, Dallas may have been a little unreadable because he was so freaked out, but everybody else passed the lie detector test.
And then, moreover, they were later given a second lie detector test, and everybody passed.
Yeah, the second round, Alan Dallas up first because obviously he had walked out on his initial test.
But this was with the same examiner.
And Mike was retested.
I took two more tests from the state police eye detector expert, which, you know, at the time that the six tests had been passed, the president of the American Polygraph Association said that although a polygraph on a single test is less than 100%, when you have that many people passing tests on the same issue, the odds are over a million to one of there being any error.
NASA's one-ton Curiosity rover landed on Mars three years ago this week.
As the car-sized rover touched down on the Martian surface, it ushered in a new era of planetary exploration on Mars.
But it was also the start of something else.
Curiosity's sardonic Twitter alter ego, known as the Sarcastic Rover.
The Sarcastic Rover parody Twitter account came into being on August 6, 2012, the night of the famous Seven Minutes of Terror landing that brought Curiosity to the Martian surface.
Sarcastic Rover's brand of science-minded wit was apparent from the moment it arrived on Twitter.
Sarcastic Rover acts like any of us would.
After being sent to Mars, it's kind of upset, a little lonely, and it wants to make fun of everything.
The parody account resonated with people immediately.
The account attracted some 7,000 followers during its first night online, according to Jason Philichrault, a screenwriter and the mind behind the sarcastic robot.
Sarcastic Rover now has about 134,000 followers, three years into Curiosity's mission.
One of our listeners, Ron, ran across a photo from the winter of 2007 that he says he took right after it snowed there in Everett, Washington.
He says it was around midnight or so, and the photo was taken on his back deck, which is looking northwest towards Port Gardner Bay, which is part of the Puget Sound.
You can just see the neighbor's house in the background.
There appears to be a ghost image near the edge of the deck, and it seems to be looking at Ron.
He says he didn't see it at the time the photo was snapped.
Instead, Ron says he would be heading indoors at a quick pace and locking the door behind him.
Take a look at the backyard ghost sent in from one of our listeners, Ron, at darkmatternews.com or artbell.com.
unidentified
After last night's show on Bigfoot, we've had earthquakes, meteors, asteroids, UFOs, volcanic activity, and something has shaken loose.
Earlier today, young Eric Waters had an experience that will change his life forever.
Today, a Boone Man trying to enjoy a little bit of time in the North Carolina Mountains had a run-in with Sasquatch.
His little doggie was able to chase it away.
Due to some licensing issues on YouTube, we were not able to get the audio or the video for this.
I am going to attempt to reenact today's video.
No, yippee.
No, yippy.
No, no.
No, no.
Oh, okay.
Oh, we're safe.
That's about it.
And while he was breathing heavy and saying no, zippy, off to the right seemed to be a humanoid beast, a little shorter than normal.
Might have been maybe a teenage, younger Sasquatch or Sasquai or Sagimateriae.
The Yeti seemed to be crouched and crawling away to the right.
Seemed a little shorter than most.
Yeah, that's right.
Height doesn't matter.
Well, this little guy was moving pretty quick for your normal Sasquatch.
But hey, maybe he had to go.
When nature calls, we enhanced some of the audio using our spectrometer vocalizer by subtracting the first and second tracks.
Here's what we found.
It continues to haunt me.
E-may, no a cation v.
According to our Pig Latin specialist, he was saying that he was on vacation.
Eric's memory of this is corroded and polluted by the horrible smell.
He said it was somewhere between a dead rotting flesh and the sweet, pungent smell of a freshly sprayed skunk.
Bigfoot investigators and enthusiasts from all over the area have swarmed to this little North Carolina town.
Hopefully we'll find out soon what they have.
This is John Gee with Dark Matter News.
This is John Gee with Dark Matter News.
The devil went down to Georgia.
He was looking for a soul to steal.
He was in a bind, but he was way behind.
He was willing to make a deal.
When he came across this young man sewing on a fiddle and playing it hot.
And the devil jumped up on a hickory stump and said, boy, let me tell you what.
I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player too.
And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
Now, you play pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his due.
I bet a fiddle of gold against your souls.
I think I'm better than you.
To reach midnight in the desert via Skype worldwide, if on a computer, please be sure to use a headphone mic and call MITD51.
I've passed five different tests with three different examiners with extensive years in law enforcement, which is considered the better, more qualified polygraph examiner.
So we're going to get back to what happened to you and the craft, but the whole town went to buzzing as you were gone, and you were gone for a total of five days.
My God, that's a long time.
They had dogs out.
They had people out combing.
They had helicopters up.
They looked for you everywhere.
And, of course, they began to suspect your crew of your possible, well, murder or something.
Right?
And they became kind of unpopular in that small town.
Yeah, he had had some trouble with the law, and he was just generally, you know, had a few run-ins with various guys on the crew, and he and I had done a little sparring.
We get sprout step at work all the time, you know.
And after I was returned, the doctor examined me, found a puncture on my arm.
And, you know, it was assumed that happened during my abduction, but it could have easily been, you know, being poked by a thorn in the course of a workday, you know.
You know, but you have to understand that, you know, the pain I was feeling, the feeling of something mortally wrong inside, but moreover, the most important feeling was that I felt like I couldn't get enough air.
The feeling of suffocation.
There's a scene in the movie of a membrane when the actor's laying on the table and aliens are surrounding him.
And he's struggling to scream through this membrane, struggling to breathe through it.
That didn't actually happen, but I think in that case, it does a better job of explaining the source of my panic, or at least the chief source, that, you know, that feeling of suffocation combined with the feeling of weakness, like you can't move when you need to move quickly to get away.
And so, you know, suddenly realizing where I was gave me a shot of adrenaline, enough, a burst of strength to actually sort of lash out at them.
It was, you know, pretty weak.
And it was more of a push than a hit.
And I rolled away in the opposite direction.
This device they had lying across my chest fell off and hit the floor.
But I just mainly kept my eyes on them as I backed away or stumbled backwards.
And when I bumped up against this shelf behind me, I just looked real quick to see what I'd run into.
And there was some things there.
And I just grabbed the biggest thing there and started flailing in their direction.
And actually, if anything, it might have been slightly heavy gravity.
Really?
To explain that feeling of weakness, although just the feeling of injury.
I really think that whatever happened with that blast of energy from the craft, it did so much damage that when I came to at that point, whatever efforts had been made to revive me were not complete.
You describe aliens very close to you, and of course, everybody would like to know, forget the movie, what did these, were these creatures all similar, or can you describe it?
And you do have to forget the movie because they changed them.
The panic that the people at Paramount had was that these aliens had been in another production immediately prior to the production, the filming of Fire in the Sky.
And they did not want anybody seeing something that had been seen before.
So they changed their appearance.
But they were what's, you know, back then, they didn't have the term grays.
But that's what people call these small, hairless, grayish-white beings with huge eyes.
I think that there's probably a number of similar species that are just being stuck under one name that really come from really different places.
And I have a whole line of reasoning that tells me that that's the case.
The variations in descriptions that you see and also there are a number of species of animals on the earth that look very similar but are completely genetically unrelated.
They just look similar because they live in a similar environment.
Yeah, it was softer and lighter than I expected, but it fell back pretty easily.
And it was probably partly because it was totally unexpected.
I think they were trying to maintain control of me.
And it took me many years to figure out that it was probably some kind of neurological impairment due to this blast of energy from that craft that actually worked against their normal method of being able to control humans and keep them in some kind of trance or in an unconscious state.
And that's why when they came around and I started flailing at them and they stopped and stared at me, that I felt that stare was so excruciating.
That was my nightmares for months after the incident, that that stare gave me this horrible feeling in my head.
And in support of that was the EEG that I was given immediately afterwards that showed there was some kind of anomalous pattern that I think is consistent with some kind of burst of energy hitting me in the head.
Yeah, in hindsight, you know, it would have been foolish to get a door open, but that was my goal.
And so I was afraid because the passage was so narrow and so cramped and turned so tightly that I couldn't see very far behind me to see if they were chasing me, and I couldn't see very far ahead of me to what was I, you know, coming to.
I went into this room where there were other doors leading out of it, which later piecing together the floor plan wouldn't have led to the outside, but I thought at that point that was my best bet of escaping this place.
One quick question before we go on, and that is, you know, from the moment you woke up, Travis, did you have any sense at all of how much time had passed or whether a lot of time had passed while you were there?
You know, my initial impression was, since this was the first thing I was remembering since, you know, turning to run away, I thought it was immediately afterwards.
But in hindsight, it could have been a day or two or, you know, who knows how long afterwards.
Well, the conscious memory that I had upon return was a very brief period of time.
I figured it was less than an hour, but obviously five days and six hours.
Everybody leaps to the question, well, what about time dilation?
You travel near the speed of light and time passes more slowly for you.
Well, the thing that refutes that was when I told my brother, you know, said something immediately upon being recovered, something he said about my mom worrying for These days, he could tell that I thought it was still the same night.
Well, it was some kind of a greenish glow coming from underneath it.
So I don't know whether it was some kind of a treatment device designed to repair the damage that was done internally or if it was something designed to diagnose or look inside.
But I definitely think my regaining consciousness was unexpected and actually kind of put a kink in their efforts to revive me.
You know, for many years I thought that, you know, I was taken aboard for experiments or to torture me, but it was actually probably more about reviving me.
The Richard's question is related to what I was just saying.
At the time, their complete lack of emotion, I interpret it as hostility.
But in total perspective, analyzing what happened, the way it fits in with the medical tests afterwards and how I was returned and everything, it took me years to realize that it was probably more of an ambulance call than an abduction, that I got myself hurt and that made it necessary to take me aboard just to avoid leaving me there as galactic roadkill.
Of course, in a state of complete hysteria, it seems like forever, but when you piece together what happened and even the waiting periods, it was less than I thought.
It certainly doesn't account for the entire time.
But there were little glimmers of memory, and the hypnosis reinforces this, that there were blocked memories that happened that I'm unable to recollect, even after all this time, other than what came out under that first hypnosis session.
It had a sort of a look to the roof and wall that looked sort of like I'd seen in airplane hangars.
But the light coming from these panels could have been filtered sunlight through a translucent panel, or it might have been an artificial natural light sort of light fixture.
I have no idea of where it was.
I couldn't see out through these windows or if they were windows.
I think that that excruciating encounter initially with the three of them was an attempt to say something telepathically.
And I was curious about why it was so excruciating until I connected to possibly that I was injured and the receiver, so to speak, wasn't operating correctly.
I was interviewed the same day for this new movie coming up called 701, which refers to the 701 unresolved Blue Book cases.
This movie is in the works yet, but I was interviewed the same day as these school kids from Zimbabwe.
And I asked the young lady what that felt like when these, you know, I don't know if you heard about this, but if everyone heard about this thing where there's like 60 kids at recess in broad daylight, this craft came down, these aliens, like I've described, came out and communicated to them through this stair.
And I wanted to know if it was excruciating like for them, like it was for me.
And they said, no, it was very pleasant.
The message wasn't unpleasant.
It was friendly.
And so that convinces me all the more that it was just an attempt with extreme aggressiveness, force of the combined force of the three of them trying to get control of me before I hurt them.
I actually hurt myself because I think my unscheduled regaining of consciousness interrupted some life-saving repairs.
And so that's the reason for a human-looking person to come in and take me out.
Apparently, in most ways, there was something odd about the eyes.
But again, I go back to the biology.
See, are really fond of saying, this is ridiculous.
There are no aliens because everybody reports bipedal, two hands, two legs, you know, a head on top.
Oh, they're not going to look anything like that.
They're going to be a tentacled octopus.
Well, that's ridiculous.
If you understand the principles of biology, bilateral symmetry is almost, you know, throughout all life on Earth, no matter how diverse it is.
And you have many cases where animals that resemble each other very, very much are completely unrelated just because they are in a similar ecological niche, a similar environment.
Well, the human-looking one, the so-called grays, were not wearing anything but coveralls, but the human-looking one is wearing a helmet over his head.
And so that was the reason I sort of accepted the fact that he was not responding to my babbling, my screaming, begging questions, you know.
All right, I'm going back to my computer for a second here with a question.
Yes, I've got it.
Heather would like to know, she may have information, is it true Travis was found to have radiation signatures in his blood that can only be found if a person is exposed to radiation, like in space, outside of Earth's atmosphere?
But this accelerated growth that was generated in these trees has been duplicated in the trees.
It's a Scots pine tree species near the Chernobyl nuclear accident.
It's very similar to Pondrosa pine, where this forest was.
And the radiation at Chernobyl caused an accelerated growth there, just like it did at the clearing.
Now, the trees nearest where the craft came down had the greatest accelerated growth, and then the effect faded back into the woods.
And most interestingly, the most recent discovery was that the accelerated growth was primarily on the side of the tree in the direction of the craft.
So in a circle of trees around where the craft came down, the thickened growth would be on the east, west, south, or north, or whatever side was facing the craft, which completely undercuts any skeptic's idea that there was some growth effect that had nothing to do with the craft.
This was discovered in an expedition overseen by Ben Hansen.
He was the host of the TV series Factor Fake, former FBI agent.
He oversaw an expedition back there, and we were able to check that this accelerated growth, which we were aware of going way back, but we didn't know it was directional until this last year when we were able to get a complete cross-section of the trees.
And this high radiation was detected with Geiger counters on the men's hard hats during the search.
And also, when I exited the truck, I left the door open.
And the crewman that was in the open doorway was Ken Peterson.
And his right arm, this arm towards the open door, has recently been diagnosed with skin cancer, which again is a sign of maybe radiation.
Some high radiation coming at them.
So, no, the blood tests didn't reveal that, but unfortunately, those kind of tests weren't run at the time.
I mean, they actually filmed a sequence where the actor portraying me came upon a couple getting busy in a car.
They're naked, and he's naked, and they start screaming, he starts screaming.
They said it was so bad that it was mercifully deleted from the film.
But I guess the nakedness is a good metaphor for the feeling that I had in a variety of ways, that these beings, the small ones, could look into me.
They knew what I was thinking.
They could see into me.
It was an intrusive, invasive kind of feeling.
And then in the aftermath, the way the media microscopically analyzed my every move to an absurd extent, every childish act of bravado or whatever, motorcycle stunts or whatever was just blown out of proportion.
And they were just looking for anything that they could interpret as strange.
So the whole idea of being the bug in the jar began on board the craft and continued for months after I was returned.
You talked to us about the aliens and then what seemed to be more human-like characters.
So an obvious question would seem to be, do you think that that means that we know all about the aliens, that we are in some way cooperating with them?
You got taken because they perhaps thought you were hurt.
They didn't want you.
They didn't want you to wake up.
And when you did, they wanted you the hell out of there.
And so those humans that you say you saw may have been, well, who knows, government types.
Well, that's possible, and that's what I initially thought.
But now, you know, going further into the skeptic's idea that no way would they even be vaguely humanoid, let alone human-looking, is preposterous when you look at the biology behind it.
It's entirely possible that they're not us from the future, us from the past, or related to us, or that we were seated here by them.
It's entirely possible that they just have a particular, keener interest in us because of our similarity, which is just coincidental.
I predict that when we look at life on other worlds, they're not going to be astonished at how bizarre these life forms are.
They're going to be amazed at the similarity of forms.
They uncovered a fossil of a marsupial that is built just like a saber-toothed cat.
It was a predator, and yet biologically completely unrelated, but very, very similar because of the niche that it filled in the ecology.
We have havelina in the southwest that look like pigs, have tusks and behaviors in so many ways like pigs, and they're not pigs at all.
The American pronghorn is not even a true antelope, and it resembles so much a particular African antelope species because our American pronghorn evolved here on the American continent in the presence of the American cheetah, which is now extinct.
And because of the similarity in the environment, it takes on a similar form and a similar ability.
Every animal that winds up living in the water, whether it be a mammal, a bird, or a reptile, or an amphibian, they all come to look very fish-like because the environment shapes the animal.
Yeah, and I think that they were brought in, summoned.
Their assistance was gained because of the, A, I would be less combative and they would be able to get some degree of cooperation and get me sedated to the point where they could finish the repairs.
And B, they would know more and probably have more equipment and whatnot to deal with the nature of my injuries, which is why it took five days.
I did for a long time, but that gradually faded away.
Now, the dreams that came back later were not so much nightmares, but actually featured the human-type people to a much greater extent, but with a much different emotional feel to it.
If you want to call us, the public number is area code 952-225-5278.
Rare opportunity.
952-225-5278.
North America, meaning America and Canada, can get us at MITD51 on Skype, MITD51.
If you're outside North America or Canada, you can call on Skype using MITD55.
That's MITD55.
So if you have a question for him, and I can't imagine you don't, pick up the phone or pick up Skype and join us, Travis Walton, Midnight in the Desert.
The increase in availability of drones is all but certainly to cause an airplane accident, in part because it's difficult to catch people in the act of flying the small unmanned drones.
CBS News aviation and safety expert Chelsea Sullenberger said Sunday that we've seen what a six-pound or an eight-pound bird can do to bring down an airplane.
She said on Face the Nation, a nod to the flock of the birds that knocked out both of the engines and forced him to land a plane in the Hudson River in 2009.
Imagine what a device containing hard parts like batteries and motors can do that might weigh 25 or possibly up to 55 pounds to bring down an airplane.
It's not a matter of if it will happen, it's a matter of when it will happen.
There's been a dramatic increase in the number of unmanned aircraft flying near commercial planes, and in some cases pilots have had to alter their courses to avoid a collision.
Solenberger said the devices are becoming ubiquitous because they are relatively cheap and easy to procure, but that it allows people to do stupid, reckless, dangerous things with abandon.
He says he's encouraged that aviation and the legal authorities have raised the penalties for doing these things, adding that the essential element that's still missing is the certainty of prosecution because it's been difficult to catch them in the act.
Well, the Mars rover has been producing quite a few interesting photographs, to say the least lately.
One appears to be a ghostly woman, and another one may indicate an infestation of crabs on Mars.
This recent Mars photograph seems to show a giant alien crab.
Well, the mysterious object closely resembles the crustacean anyway.
It's unknown exactly who found it, but it's really interesting.
It does appear alive.
It may be a crab-like animal, or it might also be a plant.
This object has many arms, and one of them goes to the left of the picture a very long ways.
That arm is longer than all the others.
Plant or animal?
Well, it really doesn't matter.
The significance of this may be that it might show signs of life on Mars.
Take a look at the photos yourself and let us know what you see at darkmatternews.com.
It's Friday, and that means open line night on Art Bell.
Let us know what you think of the stories on Dark Matter News tonight.
And remember, you can always submit a tip online at darkmatternews.com.
unidentified
After last night's show on Bigfoot, we've had earthquakes, meteors, asteroids, UFOs, volcanic activity, and something has shaken loose.
Bigfoot, Yeti, the Sasquatch, the abominable snowman, whatever you may call it, showed up today in North Carolina.
Little Eric and Little Dog Yippie, they caught it firsthand and on video.
The recording is of a Sasquatch mating call, war scream, or a greeting from some other dimension.
Here it comes.
Here it comes.
It continues to haunt me.
In the terrifying last few moments of Art Bell's show, final caller came in with a recording.
A recording that still sends chills down my spine.
I guess, do you want me to end your show with what I would think may be a Bigfoot scream that I heard out there in the woods in southeast Oklahoma?
And it interviews a lot of the prominent researchers in the fields, some who have been active since it happened originally, and some more recent to the scene.
And it's very, very curious that I have received no interest from any government agency.
Now, it was widely suspected for a long time that our chief debunker for many years, Philip Klass, was acting as some kind of a covert disinformationist on behalf of some government agency.
And he harassed the heck out of Mike Rogers, and he off to discredit it.
And this bribe offer is well documented.
It was carried by local deputy James Click.
And you, Art, challenged Philip Klass to take a polygraph test on the air call.
Through the Freedom of Information Act, after Klass passed away, his FBI file revealed some very interesting stuff that I wish you had been able to get Philip Klass to take a polygraph test because I think he would have flunked it in regards to his covert disinformationist role.
You know, that was kind of a theory that was put forth because people were desperate to explain it away.
And, you know, well, why does he pass a lie detector test?
Well, he believes it happened.
So he really hallucinated it.
And it didn't really happen, but he thinks it did.
But, you know, that theory and the transitory psychosis theory and another one involving hypnosis have no basis because it doesn't explain how seven people can have an identical hallucination.
Do you think that the spotlight on you, because now you have a celebrity status, do you think that now that you have a celebrity status, maybe the ETs are kind of backing away from you a little bit?
And it mostly speaks to the species that I encountered.
And I really do not see them as malevolent.
However, I think that there is something that's, you know, been suggested in science fiction as the prime directive, the non-interference directive, that it's against the rules to overtly infuse any kind of technology because that's like giving matches to kids.
We're just going to use it to hurt ourselves.
So it makes sense that they're not going to do it.
And I can expound on this a little further.
You know, the skeptics are fond of saying, if this was real, they'd land on the White House lawn and say, here we are, Mr. President.
But I also posit that with their level of technology so far beyond ours, that they are perfectly capable of doing everything that they're doing here and remain completely undetected.
There would be no ufology.
There would be no sightings.
They could accomplish that, I believe.
So you have to explain why it's neither extreme.
In my view, these glimpses, which are just barely provable enough to let this knowledge, this awareness filter through the population in a way that doesn't have the kind of overwhelming disruptive effect that just instant open disclosure would have.
Well, there were some other human-looking beings, but, you know, like in the movie where there were human cadavers and or artifacts of other people having been there.
Well, back about the time I was doing so many interviews for the movie, I started having these memories, little dreams or whatever, glimmers coming through involving the human-looking type of people.
And I went to Tracy Tormay, the screenwriter on the film, and I asked him, do you think that there could be some memories returning?
And he said, no.
He said, it's probably just, you know, because you're doing all these interviews that it's probably just dreams.
And so I asked him the same question here recently, and he says, oh, yeah, there was probably memories leaking back through.
So he profoundly changed his opinion.
But none of those memories, you know, really constitute any useful information.
They were just glimmers of things.
It definitely had a much more positive feeling than the earlier nightmares that I had.
You're a very lucky guy because there was so much cooperation.
Lie detector tests.
I mean, so many people, witnesses, the whole schmir.
You had it all.
There are other abductees who tell stories, but without that kind of cooperation, do you have any feelings about the whole abduction phenomenon, people who tell these stories?
But I believe there's a core reality here of other events and sightings and things that have happened.
And just because someone is unable to document it doesn't mean it's not true.
But, you know, in terms of trying to get the public to become aware that there is a core reality here, that's the reason I stick to documentation.
It's not like that's what you have to have, but that's, you know, for it to be true, but that's what you need to have in order to bring people along and make them realize we're not alone and this is real.
Up on the Mogan Rim, over 7,000 feet elevation, up in the Ponderosa Pines of the Sitreaf National Forest, very near the border to the Apache Reservation.
unidentified
And you talked about when they left you out of the craft or whatever it was, you were in some kind of a hangar.
Well, I was rendered unconscious, but when I woke up, I was returned.
So obviously they transported me to a vehicle after I was underconscious and brought me back.
And in a way that really just reinforced my theory that it was with concern for my welfare.
I mean, they could have dumped me off on some asteroid or even back in the woods where it happened where I would have froze to death before I got hell.
unidentified
But you didn't know the time that was happening, right?
I do think with these little glimmers that have been coming through, that at least part of that time I wasn't in a coma or under anesthesia, that part of the time there was some kind of interaction, especially with these human-looking beings.
Yeah, you just wash your hands and they want to shake your hand.
You're amending.
No, actually, I have total patience for that.
I totally understand.
You know, one thing that, you know, Dr. Harter, right after it happened, put me on the phone with Betty Hill, and I got some advice from her about that, about not letting it change you.
And I really took that to heart.
I've worked very hard at not letting it affect me one way or the other.
I'm not going to accept the idea that I'm a crazy kook or a liar.
And by the same token, I can accept the idea that I'm some kind of a great person.
What happened was an extraordinary event.
That doesn't necessarily make me an extraordinary person.
Yeah, but you know, like I say, I just try to stick to what I can document and leave it at that, you know, because it's important to, you know, show people that there's a reality here.
And I don't want to put anything out there that can be questioned, even though it's as real as any of it.
If I can't prove it, I'm not going to talk about it.
A lot of people do have a description of the smell, and that's actually a pretty common question that people wonder about that.
But I don't recall the sense of smell.
And normally when you have an intense emotional experience, that the smell is very intimately linked with memory.
But in my case, other than feeling very stale and humid, it may be that the atmosphere in there was so strange, it wasn't appropriate for a human, obviously, because the human-looking guy that came in was wearing a helmet, unless that was for some other reason.
So I think that either the blast of energy damaged my lungs or maybe even the neurological part of my brain responsible for breathing, or that atmosphere in there was just not right for humans.
And my question for you is that I feel like earlier in what happened to you, a lot of what you were saying was like there was an attack on you by extraterrestrial life.
So my question now is that just hearing you earlier in the show, you feel like there's more of an altruistic aspect to extraterrestrial life now?
You see, I interpreted it as an attack, you know, that possibly this blast of energy was even a beam that was fired, even mistakenly, as a defensive move.
But now I'm thinking that it was just some kind of a side effect of the propulsion unit that, you know, just jumped to the Earth through me.
Our famous UFO skeptic even wrote a paper saying that pilots who think they see they're being circled by UFOs are actually seeing the result of the huge charges, up to half a million volts, that actually have been documented to build up in the surface of our aircraft, just passing at high speed through the air.
So, you know, maybe some kind of an effect like that of this saucer traveling through the air at very high speed, or maybe some side effect of the propulsion unit, or maybe they were in the process of some agricultural experiment there with the trees and some residual energy from that.
I don't know.
I just don't think it was a deliberate weapon.
I think that because I unexpectedly closed the distance and got myself hurt, that it made it necessary for them to take me aboard to correct the mistake that I made.
So I'm not saying that it was a hostile act at all, as I mistakenly may have thought at first.
I really, you know, you know, studies have shown that over 60% of the people believe in the reality of this to the extent, and the percentage goes up with the educational level.
So it's really dumb people who say this can't be because we've reached the point now where it's a virtual certainty with accepted scientific methods.
We have the Hubble telescope and Kepler, and they've actually been able to fill in the blanks on the Drake equation that the estimation of habitable or life-supporting planets in our galaxy is far greater than they once thought.
That virtually every star has about a dozen planets, and that there's always going to be those middle ones, the Goldilocks range, that aren't so close that they're overheated or so far out that they're frozen.
And life with the right chemicals is going to be inevitable in those places.
Well, I had the opportunity to speak in Gallup at a film festival there on the Navajo Reservation and spoke to nearly a thousand Native Americans in the building.
And they had some amazing stories about things that happened way back in the far reaches of the reservation.
It's very remote out there, and these entities seem to have quite an attraction to more remote areas.
This one story I got was of a guy, his grandmother had woven a blanket depicting an encounter with these beings going way back.
So, you know, the oral tradition amongst the tribes, the Zuni, the Navajo, the Hopi, is pretty extensive, that this is not a new phenomenon.
And that was the reason that I invited them to my conference, because that's a perspective that I think is very important.
And that's the reason I'm having Noe Torres and Ruben Uriarte speak this year on the Cowboys and Aliens topic, that this predates the early days, you know, that even, you know, the very first Europeans to come to this area were experiencing and seeing things even then.
And I had a couple of encounters in the very similar time period as what Travis's, where I looked on the net and I've read some of his story.
But I'll tell you the second one first, because I think it'll corroborate some of what he's saying.
The second one was a visual that we had in 1978.
It was some sort of a craft that came across the Pacific Ocean from the distance, about 100 miles, and it covered 100 miles in about 10 seconds, went directly over our heads, flashing strobe lights, red, white, yellow, and blue.
It covered that distance in 10 seconds, didn't make a sound, and it was within a half a mile of us when it went over our heads.
And there's reports in Ludington, Michigan on the 20, I think the 28th of July that year, 1978.
A lot of other people saw it as well, including quite a few people from the Coast Guard and the Sheriff's Department.
So you can look at the NICAP.org website for that.
Anyway, that was a visual.
The other one was around the same time in 1975.
I was in Los Angeles, and I was being threatened by a biker.
And instead of defending myself, I sat down in cross-legged position and closed my eyes, and I got hit by a tractor beam or something, and it was like a billion volts of electricity, knocked me down on the ground and shook me for a minute, almost like I was having a seizure.
Like, do you think the ETs that you saw are kind of like, you know, like robots or biologically programmed, you know, like, you know, like if we see an anthill, we see cameras down there.
Or, you know what I mean?
Do you think they're like a way to communicate a bridge?
Like if they're like fourth-dimensional beings, you know, do you think that's a way to communicate with us?
Well, you know, using Occam's razor, I see that no necessity for that.
You know, if an advanced civilization could create a being that could stand in for an organic being to resemble in every way a living, breathing thing, it would be undetectable.
So there would have been no way that I could have seen such a creation, but I also don't see the necessity of it.
I think with their kind of technology, it's not that big of a leap to come here.
It's just that they're being very circumspect out of, you know, respect for our level of development.
Glowing areas with non-glowing areas that are more like some kind of more rigid part of the structure.
I don't know the nature of why some of it was glowing.
It didn't feel hot.
I was close enough that I think that if it was glowing because of a high temperature that I would have been able to feel the heat, and I didn't feel heat.
Yeah, I've encountered that in ways that harmed relationships.
My son was a girlfriend, was advised to get away from him by the local Catholic priests, brought in a guy that said his dad is consorting with demons.
And it wasn't so long after that that the Vatican came out and said, no, there is absolutely nothing evil about believing that there are beings out there on other planets.
And so people who say, well, if it's not in the Bible, it doesn't exist, are really pretty small-minded, in my view.
They're selling God short.
There's nothing in the Bible about Native Americans, and yet they exist.
There's nothing in the Bible about Antarctica, but it exists.
So the idea that if it's not in the Bible, it's not true, is a little bit narrow-minded, in my view.
I speculate that that might be some sort of a sunglass, sort of eye-protective covering, similar to sunglasses, because every creature that has oversized eyes on Earth live in a very dark environment.
They're either nocturnal, live in a cave, or under the sea at great depths.
So huge eyes imply low light.
So the idea that they would cover it with some sort of a dark thing.
Philosopher Nick Ballstrom, director of the Future of Humanity Institute of Oxford University, describes a fake universe as a richly detailed software simulation of people, including their historical predecessors.
He says this fake universe was created by a very technologically advanced civilization.
David Brin, sci-fi writer and space scientist, relates the Chinese parable of an emperor dreaming that he was a butterfly, dreaming that he was an emperor.
In contemporary versions, Brin said it may be the year 2050, and people are living in a computer simulation of what life was like in the early 21st century.
Or it may be billions of years from now, and people are in the simulation of what primitive plants and people were once like.
David said he began bemused.
The notion that humanity might be living in an artificial reality, a simulated universe, seemed sophomoric, at best science fiction.
But speaking with scientists and philosophers on Closer to the Truth, he says he realizes that the notion that everything humans see and know is a gigantic computer game of sorts.
The creation of super smart hackers existing somewhere else is not a joke.
Exploring a whole world simulation, he says he discovered, is a deep probe of reality.
Check out the video from Closer to the Truth at darkmatternews.com and also artbell.com.
Remember yesterday when NASA's Mars Curiosity rover took a photo that really looked like an alien crab monster on the surface of the red planet?
Well, now they've gone one better.
A new closer photo appears to show a ghost woman on Mars.
It really does kind of look like a ghost woman.
Take a look at the photos on artbell.com and let us know what you see.
The HARP Project in Alaska, the subject of many conspiracy theories, is being blamed by some in Moscow for the failure of the wheat crop and the smoke that has been choking the city in recent weeks.
The Russian government said it will suspend wheat exports until December because of the severe drought that has hit much of the country.
Moscow's tabloid press has even speculated that the United States orchestrated the heat wave in order to favor its own grain exporters by blasting Russia with harmful rays from a research station in Alaska known as HAARP.
But the paranoia goes beyond the comments of some newspaper editors.
Andrei Irishev, the deputy director of the Strategic Culture Foundation, said the real purpose of the high-frequency active oral research project in Alaska is to build a weapon in order to destabilize environmental and agricultural systems in local countries.
At the moment, climate weapons may be reaching their target capacity and may be used to provoke droughts, erase crops, and induce various anomalous phenomena in certain countries.
These harsh words were published in an article written by Andre.
The article has been carried by publications throughout Russia, including international affairs.
As far as weather control goes, HAARP states on its website that its transmitted array of 180 antennas has no impact on that part of the atmosphere.
They say transmitted energy in the frequency ranges that will be used by HAARP is not absorbed in either the ionosphere or the stratosphere, the two levels of the atmosphere that produce the Earth's weather.
But Russia isn't alone placing blame on the United States HARP project.
Iran has also recently blamed the U.S. HARP project for the recent heat wave permeating the country this summer.
Othana Zuck, an Air Force spokesman, said HARP is scheduled to be handed over on August 11th to the University of Alaska.
A ceremony for the handover is also scheduled to take place later this month.
That agreement allows access for two years, which will provide the university and the Air Force time to negotiate an agreement regarding the transfer of the land.
They say the facility has been dormant this summer and don't expect to be operational until next spring because of Alaska's harsh winter.
Russia and Italy, on the other hand, don't believe a word of that.
I'm Leo Ashcraft for Dark Matter News.
unidentified
Dark Matter News.
I was a highwayman.
Along the coach roads I did ride.
With sword and pistol by my side.
Many a young maid lost her bottles to my trade.
Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
The master turned me in the spring of 25.
But I am still alive.
I was a sailor.
I was born upon the tide.
With a sea I did a fight.
I sailed a schooner around the horn of Mexico.
In that darkest time, between dusk and dawn, from Bajai Desert, it's Art Bell's Midnight in the Desert.
I've got an announcement I want to make because I've been struggling and struggling and struggling with this.
So I've received a communication from a time traveler.
I consider this communication to be legitimate.
And I've been trying to figure out what in the world to do.
He gave me a code word so I would recognize this person when he calls.
What I'm going to do is the following.
So I want everybody to cooperate.
You can make your own judgments if you wish.
But I think this is the real thing.
So I am going to have when I get done with the show, perhaps in an hour or two, I'm going to send this very long, it's very long email to Keith, and I'm going to have him post it.
I'm going to eliminate the code word he gave me so I would recognize him when he calls.
Beyond that, I'm going to post it.
So those of you over the weekend will have an opportunity at your leisure to read it and make your own decision.
I received it yesterday, and I've been really, really, really struggling with how to approach this.
And I think this is the right way to do it.
So by tomorrow morning, no later than tomorrow morning and probably tonight, if Keith can do it, he will post this email.
It's going to take you a while to read, but I think we have a legitimate source here, just like we've got a legitimate guy on the line right now, Travis Walton.
Travis, again, your documentary, Travis, it's got the newer stuff in it, right?
I've had an experience with the UFO, and very similar to what the crew seen, as what was described as streaking away.
And what I'm asking about is the light.
I'm actually very interested in the type of light.
I don't believe it's normal light.
Travis has already answered one of my questions when he said that the light was actually shining through the trees and onto the road.
I've had an experience and met other people that say, yes, they've seen a bright light, but it did not affect the area.
My question is, sir, to both of you and to your audience, Has anybody or does anybody know about such a thing where a light is there but does not affect the atmosphere around it?
Well, the hands had a normal number of digits and were, you know, looked like four fingers and a thumb.
Extended towards me, they seemed to lack fingernails and creases at the bend points.
Now, there is a possibility that that was actually a surgical glove, you know, but that was the way the hands looked to me that were extended towards me.
If they were in the midst of medical type procedures, perhaps they were wearing gloves.
Now, as far as the eyes are concerned, now that's the reason I say, you know, people that are lumping them together as grays, the ones I saw had a pupil, an iris, and lids, eyelids that blinked.
No eyelashes, but definitely a very large iris, a very large pupil.
Even in that dim lighting, the pupil was fairly constricted.
But, you know, like I said, I really do think that a lot of these descriptions are accurate.
They just are different beings that just happen to look that way.
I think it might be common that either the daytime radiation on the planet they're from is so intense that they're nocturnal, or the atmosphere is so thick that not a whole lot of light reaches during their daylight hours.
I can just tell you one thing, Travis, is that people who have never seen a UFO themselves are going to be deniers.
But as for myself, the UFO I saw, or should I say UFOs, two of them, were no more than 50 or 60 feet away from me in my backyard of my house in Gurley, Alabama.
I think they were attempting to do so, and it wasn't working because of the brain injury.
Now, the brain weight scan, the EEG I underwent was at a very, very prestigious brain trauma center, the Barrows Neurological Institute.
It's world famous.
And I was put in under an assumed name, which made the test double-blind.
The technician did not know the nature of my injury.
He was just told to look for injury, and he found it.
So that brainwave pattern, that report, those scans are going to be reinterpreted with some new neuroscientists and hopefully a follow-up to see if there's any remaining evidence of that pattern.
Yeah, if you could describe what the jumpsuits looked like and if there was any type of identifying patches or anything like that on it, and then secondly, with the human type person you saw, did that look like any type of a terrestrial type of a spacesuit or was it something that was just something beyond what we have here on Earth?
Several people wanting to confirm you were taken aboard one craft and returned to Earth or returned to the ground, whatever the case may be, on a second craft, in your opinion.
Since I was only conscious for that brief, you know, hysterical period of time, I obviously wasn't sitting down to a meal.
However, medical tests did show that there had to have been some kind of nourishment according to their indicators, which is the presence of something they call ketones, which is a sign that you've been breaking down your own body stores to stay alive.
So they were either underestimating my fluid requirements or had another reason to minimize that as part of my treatment or something.
But other than being somewhat dehydrated, and the evidence for that was the 10 or 11 pound weight loss very quickly recovered just by slaking my thirst, which was pretty intense.