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Art Bell MITD - Joe Mcmoneagle Remote Viewing

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How to do all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zone.
unidentified		I'm Mark Bell, and this is midnight in the desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		It's going to be a different kind of night tonight, although we have a guest coming on that's going to knock your spots off.
		I know he doesn't mind.
		Joe, Joseph McDonagle is here tonight, and he really is the nation's premier.
		And I mean premier remote viewer.
		It's going to be a fascinating night, I guarantee you.
		Rules of the show are simple.
		No bad language, and only one call per show.
		That's it.
		Two rules.
		No bad language, one call per show.
		People thank quite a few.
		Telos for the great sound.
		It is amazing sound.
		Joe Talbot at Telos, thank you.
		Keith Rowland, my webmaster.
		He'll be up next for a reason that I'll explain in a moment.
		My producer, Heather Wade.
		All of you, the Belgab people, the Belgab inhabitants, people who love our bell and the midnight in desert sites.
		Stream guys, who get it to you?
		LV.net, who gets it to them?
		Our sales guy, Peter Eberhardt.
		If you want to advertise, he's your guy, Peter Eberhardt.
		And boy, do your commercials get heard.
		But first, tonight, we are going to do something that needs to be done.
unidentified		Well, we've already done something that needs to be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People screamed at us.
		Oh, get us an RSS feed.
		I didn't even know what an RSS feed was.
		I still am a little foggy on the subject.
		If you own an Apple product, it's really easy.
		If you own an Android product, it's still pretty easy.
		What it does, is one application sits on your phone or your iPad or something or another.
unidentified		And my shows just show up on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, they're one hour each now instead of in three parts.
		I've already converted the ones in there, too.
		But the whole RSS thing is really hard to explain.
		So I am bringing my webmaster, my old friend of 5,000 years, Keith Rowland, on the air to tell you what we have done and how to get involved with it.
unidentified		Keith?
		Hello there.
		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Here I am.
unidentified		First time for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a first time.
		All right.
		So we have this going, right?
unidentified		We do.
		We rushed it together here over the weekend and have this thing up and running.
		We hope it's going to last and work and continue, but just beware.
		We're kind of testing on the fly, which is what we do around here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I feel the same way about myself.
unidentified		Yeah, let's just put it out there and see where it breaks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it won't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keep going.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keep it going.
		And go ahead.
		Tell them what we've got.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, the 22nd precursor to what we have is RSS stands for Really Simple Syndication.
		At least that's what it did when it first started.
		It's changed.
		Back in 1999, thereabouts, or a little bit earlier than that, this was a protocol that allowed you to kind of get a list every day of what's new on a website.
		So you could have a newsreader or some kind of reading program, boom, get all the headlines and pick what you wanted to read without having to go through the website all on your own.
		So essentially, content was pushed down to you, to your program.
		And so every day you could get those listings and so on.
		And then shortly afterwards, a man named Dave Weiner took on a task that Adam Curry asked for.
		And everybody should know Adam Curry, maybe, way back from VH1 days, anyway.
		He wanted to be able to have his podcast audio file attached to these RSS feeds.
		So instead of it just being news stories and blog posts, you could actually send down a link to an audio file.
		So Dave added on what's called MP3 enclosures, and you could attach things to it.
		So now this functionality of adding an MP3 audio enclosure to this RSS feed is now what podcast players use to get the listing of files to download, get the listing of the daily updates and what's new, and download it to your podcast player.
		And so once you sign up or subscribe, they call it subscribing to an RSS feed, not to be confused with subscribing to the time travelers, but it's sort of the kind of thing.
		You sign up for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you're a time traveler, you already are entitled to the RSS feed, right?
unidentified		That's correct.
		The RSS feed link will only be available on the archive page of the time traveler section of the website.
		So if you're already logging in, you already get the list of files that you've been looking at already.
		There's now a link at the top of that page called RS, let's see, I wrote that down over here.
		RSS feed link for podcast players.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what do you do with that link?
unidentified		Well, depending on which particular application or a phone that you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's do one at a time.
		Say I'm an Apple guy, which I am, and I want to have this new fangled thing.
		I go to artbell.com and then I go where and do what?
unidentified		Well, you're going to get over to the, eventually you're going to get over to the Dark Matter Digital Network Archive time travel area.
		So everybody that wants this already knows kind of how to do that.
		They're already signed up.
		They go there every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They want to do this with Safari, right?
unidentified		Right.
		On the iOS devices, the Safari browser is the easiest one.
		So if you're using Chrome, it doesn't quite work this way.
		So initially, you only have to do this one time to get started, and then it's automatic after that.
		So again, it's inside the archived area under the time traveler area.
		This is not free for everybody.
		It's just another way of getting the files much easier than we had previously working.
		So you go to your Safari Browser, you go to the page, you log in, and you go to the archive page with all the midnight in the desert files at.
		And at the top of that page, there is a link there.
		And so you will click on that link, and it will then go off to another server that we had to put up together this weekend.
		So it's going to ask you for your username and password again.
		And this, again, we just have to do this one time.
		And then once it does that, Safari will then go and launch the podcast player inside your iPhone or iPad, the Apple podcast player, and it will pass along to it the name of that podcast that you want to subscribe to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, brief little thing.
		After you've clicked on the link, put in your password and everything, it may or may not automatically launch your podcast player.
		So if it doesn't, just go to your podcast player after you put your password in, and it'll be alive.
unidentified		Correct.
		But it should launch it because it's got to pass that URL.
		If not, you just right-click that URL and you can put it in there manually in the podcast player too.
		But we're hoping that this will just jump right over there automatically, which would be kind of cool.
		And then when the podcast player runs and it says, okay, I'm going to go subscribe to Midnight in the Desert RSS feed.
		It's going to ask you for your username and password again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to be saying bad words by then.
unidentified		Yep.
		But again, this is only the one time you have to do that.
		So then once you enter it in, it'll say, do you want to subscribe?
		Yes.
		What's your username and password?
		Da-da-da-da-da.
		Okay.
		Then give it about, oh, five, ten seconds, because now it's going off and going to grab a list of all the files that are in the RSS feed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the shows that we've done.
unidentified		The shows, right?
		It's going to go back to the website.
		It's going to get a list of the shows.
		It's going to download it into your iPhone, iPad, and it'll give you a new entry for a new RSS subscription, podcast subscription on the left-hand column.
		And then it will start listing the individual episodes in the right-hand column.
		And usually by default, the first time you put in a new podcast that you want to listen to, it'll go ahead and download the first episode.
		So that may happen automatically.
		Now, if you've used this podcast player on your iPhone, iPad for other things in the past, this is just going to add to the list.
		It's just going to put it in the list at the top or the bottom of your list.
		I forget which it is.
		And it'll just add it to what you already have.
		And whatever your settings are, the same settings will apply.
		Because you can do things like how many episodes do you want to list?
		How many episodes do you want to automatically download?
		How often do you want to check for new episodes?
		A lot of little tweakers you can do.
		I'll leave that to the user to figure out their best way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's incredibly cool.
		I know it sounds kind of complicated when Keith talks about it, but it's not.
		And once you've done it, it is so cool.
		It is so cool.
		Trust me on this.
		All right.
		Now, if you're not an Apple user, that was good for all the Apple people.
		Next comes Android.
unidentified		Yes, Android, since Android has a variety of browsers, has a variety of podcast players, they don't really have a default one.
		So if you're browsing around in Chrome and you find a link and you click it, it's just not going to automatically go to some Android podcast player.
		You get to pick which one you would like.
		We have one that we've tested that we think is the best one to start with.
		You might like something better later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're about to get the name of an app to use with Android.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen carefully.
unidentified		It is called Beyond Pod.
unidentified		Beyond Beyond Pod.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if they go to their Toy Store or whatever they call it, Androidville, they'll be able to find that easily, and it's free, right?
unidentified		Yes.
		So there's only some podcast players allow you to put in username passwords and some don't.
		Remember, podcasts used to be free for years and years.
		It's only been in the last few years that we started getting these paid podcasts that take usernames and passwords.
		So there's tons of podcast apps out there that won't work because they're just not equipped to deal with username passwords.
		So you've got to get one that does that.
		This is one of the ones that does that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, the name?
unidentified		Beyond Pod.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beyond Pod.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, great.
unidentified		Now get that page up later on on the website to have all these links.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So nevertheless, once you get that, what do you do?
unidentified		Well, you're going to download that app and install it.
		And then you're going to go to whatever browser you were using to surf our web currently.
		Again, logging in, go to the archive page where you list all of our shows.
		You've got that link at the top again.
		Same one, RSS feed link for podcast players.
		And this time, instead of clicking on it, you're going to want to copy that link to go back to the podcast app and put it in there.
		So I think you touch and hold the link, and then you'll get an option to copy the link.
		And then you can then switch over to the Beyond Pod application and then go into adding a new subscription, adding a new podcast.
		Then it will ask you, well, what's the URL?
		You're going to paste this link into it, and then it should take off like everything else.
		It'll go and access it.
		It'll ask you for a username and password.
		It should download it, give you the list of files, and you're off and running.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never been to copy and paste school.
unidentified		I know on a phone, it's a lot trickier than on a computer.
		There's no right-click.
		You notice that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, so you hold your finger down.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		So that gets it going then on Android.
		Anything else?
unidentified		Even on a regular computer, iTunes supports this.
		You can just go into your iTunes, and one of the options, menu options, is subscribe to podcasts.
		And you click on that, and you just paste in that same URL, and it'll join and ask you for the password, and off and running on your Mac, or even, I think, you know, iTunes on Windows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we had hundreds of people begging for this.
		So here it is.
		And we have somebody we should thank publicly, I think, on the air.
		And that is Keith.
unidentified		Mr. Sam.
unidentified		Sam Boselle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sam Boselle from Bellgap.
unidentified		Yep.
		He started this as his own little personal project.
		And we got wind of it, and we hooked up and decided to make it official.
		And so we got him to move his stuff over to our servers, and we spent the weekend working out all the little details so that we could launch this thing today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Working your butts off, really.
unidentified		I'm sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Working your butts off, really.
unidentified		Well, it was a long day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
		All right.
		So that's how you do it for Apple.
		That's how you do it for Android.
		And once you've done it, let me tell you folks, you'll be happy as a clam, Keith.
		It was wonderful having you on the air.
		We almost never hear you on the air, so it's great having you.
unidentified		I'll go crawl back behind the desk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you for being my webmaster all these years.
unidentified		Yes, it's turned out to be over 20.
unidentified		So you keep asking, but I think somewhere in the 90s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really didn't want an answer.
		Actually, I didn't want an answer, Keith.
		Oh, over 20.
		All right.
		All right, you got it.
		Thank you, buddy.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		See you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, folks.
		That's how you do it.
		Joe McMonacle is coming up next.
		Oh, what a program I've got for you tonight.
		This is going to be good stuff.
		Radio Gold, don't go anywhere.
unidentified		Radio Gold, don't go anywhere.
		Sweet dreams are made of the ends of who am I?
		Do you remember that day?
		It's a new day.
		When you're paid my way, no one can take your way.
		The clock strikes 12, and Midnight in the Desert is pounding packets your way on the Dark Matter Digital Network.
		To call the show, please direct your finger digits to dial 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952-CALLARTS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what a treat you're in for.
		Joe McMonagall is currently a full-time research associate and partner with the Laboratories for Fundamental Research, Cognitive Sciences Laboratory, Palo Alto, California, where he has provided consulting support to research and development in remote viewing for 21 years.
		As a consultant to both SRI International and Science Applications International Corporation, Inc., 84 to 95, he's participated in protocol design, statistical information collection, R ⁇ D evaluations, as well as hundreds of remote viewing trials in support of experimental research and active intelligence operations for what is now known as Project Stargate.
		He is well versed with developmental theory, methods of application, current training technologies for remote viewing, as currently applied under strict lab controls.
		He is also a full member of the Parapsychological Association.
		With a career spanning 48 years, 38 years rather, he has provided professional support to look at this, the Secret Service, CIA, NSA, DEA, FBI, Defense Intelligence Agency, United States Customs, National Security Council, most major command within the Department of Defense.
		20 of those years have been within paranormal operations as viewer number get this 001 and 372.
		Joe McMonagall, welcome to the program.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		How are you this evening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm really well.
		Thank you.
		And really happy to be talking to you because this is truly fascinating stuff.
		Now, there are many remote viewers in the land, and for years I did interview one who predicted extremely catastrophic things that have not yet, thankfully, occurred.
		And he also promised that he was going to find gold.
		This is what really irritates me.
		Find gold and bring it to me.
		The gold never showed.
		The catastrophes never happened.
		I know you're in a completely different category, Joe.
unidentified		So I just wanted to say that.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate that, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		So I guess I want to start by knowing, because this really does interest me, how long have you been a remote viewer?
		And when I ask who you work for, you're going to rattle off all those three-letter agencies, but go right ahead.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I've been doing remote viewing now for a little over 37 years, not quite 38 years.
		And I won't re-mention those same acronyms.
		I'll save the people listening.
		But some of the things you left out was the Secret Service.
		Of course, you did cover the labs.
		And I've also done remote viewing for major television networks in seven different countries and dozens of sheriffs, state and city police forces, private detective agencies, a multitude of major corporations, and, of course, hundreds of private citizens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, I can't resist.
		You say you work with the NSA and the Secret Service.
		Now, I have had some dealings with the Secret Service because every time somebody predicts that a president will get assassinated, two Secret Service guys come to see me.
		And I've noted that these guys absolutely have no sense of humor whatsoever.
		Is it that way with the NSA, you know, other agencies?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe.
		It depends on what the subject matter is.
		In terms of the Secret Service, their primary job, their only job is, of course, protecting the President of the United States.
		So they take even the most ridiculous threat very, very seriously.
		And that's why they come and see you, and that's why they will continue to come and see you probably whenever somebody makes that kind of a statement or something on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I won't let it be said anymore, Joe, for that exact reason.
		I mean, they come and they sit on the couch, and I say, you know, it's a little old lady in Missouri.
		She didn't mean it, really, and we don't even know who she is.
		And, you know, then I'll say something funny.
		They don't even crack a smile.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No, because it seriously is not a Funny issue with them.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		They get hundreds, literally hundreds of threats, I'm sure, on an annual basis, and they have to check every single one of them out because if they don't check one of them out and it turns out to be real, then you know it's a serious situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trust me, they're so serious, Joe, that I feel like throwing my hands up and saying, hands up, don't shoot.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		It's almost as serious with the FBI.
		The FBI also takes their responsibilities very serious because they, of course, are required to protect us against terrorism within the United States.
		And of course, we're not going to be subject to most of the stuff going on outside the United States, which is the CIA.
		So the FBI takes it very seriously as well.
		NSA does as well.
		And I would add that it's sort of a crapshoot when you start thinking about, are you for or again what the NSA does?
		The NSA really is attempting to protect the American citizens, but there's a lot of things that they do where they can see the justification for it.
		No one else can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how do you feel about that?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't, I personally don't have anything to hide in my phone conversations, and I've always assumed that my phones are public property, that people can tap my phones anytime they want, and that sort of thing.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And I'm a ham operator as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So, you know, talking over the air is, you know, you just assume that there are a lot of people listening to what you're saying.
		It's the same thing with the phone.
		I'm not going to, if I'm going to do something that's very private, I'm certainly not going to use a phone for it.
		That sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You worked with just about every humorless agency there is.
		I'm wondering, how did they find you, Joe?
		How did they come?
		I'm sure in every case they came to you, right?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what happened is when they first decided they were going to pursue this idea of remote viewing, it initially was supposed to be a study project that was going to last approximately three years.
		And they were going to find and recruit counterintelligence people and that sort of thing and teach us to be remote viewers if they couldn't find somebody that could remote view.
		And then the way they did that was kind of strange because they knew if they brought us into a room and said, everybody who thinks they're psychic, raise your hand, we'd all just stand there and stare at each other.
		So they were able, though, they went through the records and they found people who basically were exceptional in the jobs that they really shouldn't have been exceptional in and decided that they were either extremely lucky in most cases or were probably psychic to some degree.
		And once they identified those people, I being one of them, they brought us in and asked for volunteers to be tested.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how they actually got onto you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, was there a website that said psychic monagal or something?
unidentified		How did they get to you?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		They actually talked to my bosses, and most of my bosses said, yeah, he's a little strange.
		He seems to know the answer when a lot of people don't.
		So what they did is they called me in, and they laid a lot of psychic stuff on a table in front of me and asked me if I thought any of that stuff was real.
		And I told them that I needed to review it before I could make an astute comment on it.
		And so they gave me a couple hours to look over a lot of the material.
		At the end of which I said that I felt that a lot of it was bogus, but some of it seemed to be serious enough that it could pose a threat.
		And if it could pose a threat, then it needed to be investigated.
		And they thought that that was a straightforward answer, so I got recruited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you talk about the kind of stuff that they were asking you to evaluate?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		It's a mix of things.
		A lot of it was classified material that had been collected during the Cold War from the Soviet Union and China and other places.
		Much of it was classified.
		And mixed in with that were all kinds of newspaper articles, magazine articles, things that were not classified.
		Much of that was pretty much garbage.
		So they had a true mixture from the bottom of the pile to the top.
		And I would say maybe 15% of it was truly research, and the rest was just bogus storytelling or mythology.
		After saying all the right answers, I had an interview with Dr. Hal Putoff and Russell Targ from the Stanford Research Institute.
		And as a result of that interview, they requested that the Army send me out to be tested.
		And so I went out and did a series of six remote viewings.
		And my remote viewings turned out to be, I had a p-value of 0.003, which was the best that they had seen.
		I had four near-perfect responses and two second-place responses.
		So before I got back to the unit, I was volunteered by the general.
		So that's how I got in the unit.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me an idea of something that you remote viewed, just so I get an idea of what in that test is what I'm talking about.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the six remote, I had never heard of remote viewing before.
		And so what they did is my first remote viewing was the Stanford Art Museum at the university.
		And I didn't know that, of course.
		But they took me into a windowless room and we sat for an hour while someone I had never met had randomly pulled a envelope from a safe and went out and drove around for half an hour and then opened the envelope and it told them to go to the art museum.
unidentified		Okay, Joe, I am so sorry to do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold that thought.
		We're at this longer break I told you about.
		So LeBron News, welcome back and pick up right at this point.
		Joe McMonaco is my guest.
		It's going to be a hell of a night.
		right there.
unidentified		Don't come easy.
		From Midnight Sweet of March America, you found an ovis for the mind.
		Do call midnight in the desert.
		Please dial 1-952-Call Arts.
		That's 1-952-225-5278.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we are honored to have with us tonight Joe McMonacle.
		He is regarded, really, as the best remote viewer in the United States, maybe the world.
		So, this is serious stuff.
		Now, we were right in the middle of talking about a very early test, Joe, in which they had you, I think you said, in a museum.
		And then there was a guy who had an envelope that had something in it.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		He would pull this envelope out of a safe.
		He'd choose it using a random number generator.
		He'd drive around in traffic for half an hour and then open the envelope.
		It would tell him where to go, what his randomly chosen target site was.
		In the meanwhile, they would take me up to a windowless room on the third floor of the physics building at SRI.
		And I was up there with Russell Targ on this first target.
		And we got settled.
		And at a specific time, he pulled a picture of the person out of a folder and asked me if I'd ever met him before.
		And I said, no.
		It was somebody I'd never seen before.
		And he asked me to describe where he was.
		I said, how do I do that?
		And he said, well, just tell me where he is.
		And so I just let my imagination run crazy and basically drew the front of the building and described it as a place of art and whatnot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so it hit, hit, hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, you just described the impossible virtually.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And I was as surprised as everybody else when we drove over there to see what my target was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This isn't like picking one out of four, you know, oh, I'll take three and maybe be lucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is describing in detail where somebody in a secret envelope has gone, a target.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And they had approximately 75, 50 to 75 locations in the San Francisco Bay Area, all within an hour's drive of the radio physics lab at SRI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that was one test, Joe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was one test, right?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And you're saying you passed six of those, yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Over a week's period.
		And described four of them about as accurately as you could.
		Certainly well enough that they could select them randomly out of the pile of target possibilities and say that's exactly where they went using just my remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No wonder they grabbed you.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, it surprised me as much as it did as anyone else.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And I have to admit that when I got back, we went into a year, we began a year of training, and I had 24 straight failures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now, to be clear, was this already the CIA Stargate program?
		Is that what you were in at that point?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No.
		To be clear, it was a three-year test and analysis of the use of psychics to collect intelligence because we knew that the Soviet Union and the Chinese were using psychics, so we had no idea how good they were.
		And we certainly couldn't get someone inside their unit.
		So the way you deal with that is you train people to do somewhat similar work, and you target yourself.
		And then you have the results independently analyzed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At that point, Joe, who was sponsoring it, if not the CIA?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		The U.S. Army.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The U.S. Army?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, U.S. Army Intelligence was sponsoring it under INSCOM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So where from there?
		I mean, you worked for the Army for a while, I guess, after this.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, we never got past the third month of training in our three-year project.
		And we had the Iran-Tehran problem where they took over the embassy.
		And the problem they had is that the embassy was taken over on a Sunday, so they had no idea who was a hostage and who wasn't.
		And unless you can identify the hostages, they can disappear somebody, and you wouldn't be able to know if they had or they hadn't.
		And so they had no way of identifying the hostages other than to come to us and try us out.
		And it turned out that we did a better than respectable job of identifying the hostages.
		So our project went straight from a Three-month introduction to a full-blown collection project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you were trying to identify, when you say identify the hostages, do you mean not individually, but where they were or what?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No, individually.
unidentified		Oh, my.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		A couple of us were taken into a room, and they had approximately 500 photos on a table.
		And they asked us to go through the photos and tell them who was absolutely a hostage and who wasn't.
		And we were able to identify the hostages that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you did.
		Wow.
		That's extremely impressive.
		All right.
		So, but you said something about not continuing on.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		What it was, initially it was a three-year study project to determine the effectiveness of the Soviet Union and Chinese psychics.
		And the problem with that is the study project disappeared because we suddenly found ourselves using it operationally.
		And you can't maintain an operational unit under study unit protocols.
		So we became a fully operational psychic unit and suddenly got lots of targets dumped on us.
		They were predominantly problems that had been, other agency had worked on for, in some cases, over a year and had been fully unsuccessful in getting anywhere with them.
		So the uniqueness of our unit was that while we only had about a 30% success rate, our 30% was on targets that had otherwise been totally undoable.
		In other words, no other agency had been successful in solving the problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Now, people need to understand 30% is astronomically high because we're talking about, for example, remote viewing where, let's say, they want to know where is bomb number so-and-so, nuclear weapon so-and-so.
		And when he says 30%, he means 30% of the time.
		They correctly identified where nuclear weapon so-and-so was.
		People need to understand how incredible it really is.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I can even give an example.
		There was a Russian bomber had disappeared over Central Africa, and no one could find it for over a year, and it was carrying nukes and other things.
		And you can imagine everybody was looking for it, every intelligence agency in the world, and every terrorist organization.
		And nobody could find it for over a year, and they brought it to three of the units that had used psychics.
		And to include us, there were two other units that had played with remote viewing for a while, and they even took it to them as well.
		And all three units produced what I would call interlocking circles on a map.
		And we were able to locate the bomber in a matter of literally days, if not hours.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't say anything classified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it could sound ominous, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like that's already as bad as it could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess there could be things worse.
unidentified		Anyway, you actually located that.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I didn't personally, but one of our other remote viewers did and did a very good job at it, I would add.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		In fact, this particular mission was briefed by President Carter, and as a result, we wound up having the name of the project changed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it became what?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		It went from Grill Flame to Central Lane.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somewhere downline, it did become Stargate for the CIA, didn't it?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Every time managerial authority was altered or changed, they changed the name of the project because they couldn't have an Army project name on a DIA project and they couldn't have a DIA name on a CIA project, that sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was honored to have interviewed in earlier years Robert Monroe, the Monroe Institute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess you went to the Monroe Institute, correct?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, yes.
		The Army sent me here, in fact, on a couple of occasions.
		And I ended up working with Bob on long weekends for approximately 14 months in his lab with the idea that he would teach me to control my out-of-body events, which were occurring spontaneously since my near-death experience in 1970.
		We also expected him to help me reduce some of the problems I was having with my cool-down prior to remote viewing because my cool-down periods were becoming extensive as a result of so much remote viewing.
unidentified		What do you mean cool-down periods?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Before I do a remote viewing, I have to clear my head from the previous remote viewing.
		And that takes some doing.
		And as a result of being the only viewer left in the project for almost a two-year period, that cooldown period was becoming more and more extensive because I was having to do so many remote viewings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what is that like?
		I mean, do you end up with severe headaches?
		Are you fatigued totally?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		You can.
		It's very stressful because you may be jumping from a kidnap victim straight into a torture victim straight into a stolen nuclear weapon or something.
		And so it's not like each remote viewing is not that important.
		They were all critical.
		And going from one to the next, they expect you to just jump from one to the next.
		And that period of time in between when you try to empty your mind and prepare for the next remote viewing becomes critical to the success.
		And I was becoming very stressed out about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you said two things that I can't let pass.
		One, near-death experience, and the other, out-of-body experiences.
		Both are fascinating things for me.
		And so really, you know, I can't just let them roll by.
		What happened?
		Near-death experience?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		In 1970, I had a near-death experience, which was actually to cut to the chase.
		I was sitting in a restaurant having a before-dinner drink and went into convulsions.
		Well, I got very, very ill feeling, and I didn't want to be projectile vomiting or something in a restaurant.
		So I excused myself, and I just made the front door and collapsed on the sidewalk.
		And what I didn't know is that I had gone into convulsions and swallowed my tongue.
		And when you swallow your tongue, you can't breathe.
		So it's only a matter of time until your heart stops.
		And I was in Austria when this occurred.
		I was in Brunau, Austria, right across the Elbe River from Germany.
		And my friend came out with my wife, and he tried to revive me and couldn't.
		So they put me in a car and drove me 38 kilometers to the hospital in Passau, Germany, and had to cross a border checkpoint to do that.
		And that took some time.
		So I was delivered DOA to the hospital or the emergency room in Germany and had been DOA probably somewhere between 8 and 15 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you should have been really dead.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I was very dead, according to the doctor, anyway.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I became comatose when they got a heartbeat, and they honestly didn't think I would come out of the coma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you did, probably with brain damage.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I came out of the coma, and it was less than 24 hours later.
		And when I came out of the coma, I started telling the German patient in the room with me that I started speaking to him in broken German and English.
		You know, I said, you can't die.
		God's a white light, and everything's going to be fine.
		Wow.
		And he freaked out, and the doctor came in and sedated me again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you really believe that, Joseph, that you cannot die, that is to say, cease to exist totally, that there is something on the other side?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it in your mind?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		There's no question in my mind.
		I know it's argumentative for a lot of people.
		You know, my best friend, he's almost a brother to me, Dr. Edwin May, is a materialist, and he thinks that that's crazy.
		And we talk about it sometimes.
		But that's what I believe.
		And I can't change my mind because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just want to ask you about it.
		You were gone a long time.
		So I am exceptionally curious about your near-death.
		It really should be called death.
		You were on the other side.
		What happened?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a classic near-death experience.
		I mean, I found myself out of body watching everything.
		And I followed the car and my body to the emergency room.
		And when they got there, I watched them cart me in and throw me on the table and cut my clothing off and stick things in my body and whatnot.
		And I floated up near the ceiling and I felt heat on the back of my neck.
		And I thought, oh, I must be up against that really bright light they have in the ceilings of emergency rooms.
		And so I turned around to look at it and found myself falling through a tunnel.
		And the tunnel walls were made up of people.
		And I closed my eyes to shut them out and reviewed my whole life basically in an instant and popped out of the end of the tunnel and was enveloped in a very intense white light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you were in review, was it judgmental?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Only judgmental in the sense that I judged myself.
		There was no one looking over my shoulder.
		There was no God being there.
		There was no one there helping.
		It was just me dealing with the things that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's pretty hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That can be very harsh.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		That's the hardest.
		Believe me, that's the hardest kind of judgment.
		I believe you.
		And at the end of that, you pop out of the end of the tunnel and you're enveloped in this completely comforting and loving white light, which at the time, I had the need to say that's what God is, only because I had no basis for ever having experienced it before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say it's obvious you passed the test, you know.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, something passed because I decided I was going to stay and it decided I wasn't.
		And I was told in my mind that I had to go back.
		And I said, no, no, I'm staying right here.
		I'm perfectly fine right here.
		And there was sort of a snap, like a snap of the fingers.
		And I sat up and I was under this sheet in this room with this other patient.
		And that's when I told him that, you know, God's a white light.
		You can't die.
		Everything's going to be fine.
		And then they sedated me again, I think because they thought I was suffering from brain damage.
		I woke up the next day on a gurney with being put in the back of a limo with the windows taped up with tinfoil.
		And they took me to Munich and put me in a rest home, in the wing of a rest home they had leased, I guess.
unidentified		Wow.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And I spent almost two weeks there.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		They didn't have the MRI machines and all that back in 1970, so I had to undergo a lot of testing to ensure that my brain cells weren't all dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there.
		Boy, if nothing else, this was worth it.
		That was some death experience to hear about.
		Incredible.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		Coming to you at the speed of light in the darkness.
unidentified		This is Midnight in the Desert with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's Art.
		From my perspective, the death experience that Joe just described is, you know, at another time, Joe, I would have done a whole show on that.
		That is so impressive.
		You were dead, period.
		And you were dead for many minutes.
		So what you have to say about that, I think, is interesting not just to me, but everybody out there.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I imagine it would be.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		It was interesting to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then somehow, after that, I guess you began to have out-of-body experiences.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I started from that point on, after they, of course, kept me for a number of weeks to determine my stability.
		And once that was determined, they kept me in the Munich area for a while.
		But actually, another seven years, they kept me overseas.
		But a lot of things changed for me.
		I stopped doing a lot of things that I had done before.
		I became a much milder, gentler person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it because of the review?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		It was partly that, and it was partly the fact that I came to understand that my actions had tremendous effects on not only myself, but on the people that cared about me a great deal that I might not even know I was affecting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And that also it had great effect on the kinds of reciprocal action that I got to enjoy as a result of my own action.
		In other words, I viewed myself from that point on as sort of being a farmer that plants seeds all the time, that grow fruit, and the fruit, I always get the harvest myself.
		The problem is, if you're unconsciously, and if you're unconscious and totally unaware and you're planting seeds, you may be planting them in anger, and that produces a negative or deconstructive fruit that you get to enjoy.
		Briefly, you want to change everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I get it.
		Briefly, with respect to OBEs, again, we could do a whole show on that, and I have done whole shows on it.
		It is, I am told, possible to leave your body.
		I've heard the story of the silver cord that attaches you back to your body, and then if anything goes wrong, you come snapping back to your body, and all is well.
		So it's very safe, they say.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you agree with that?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that.
		I have been out of body as a problem solver.
		In other words, I've had surgeries that ended up being extremely uncomfortable or very painful.
		And as a result, I've chosen to leave my body during the recovery rather than be in it.
		And during those periods of time, I've gone about as far out as you can possibly go in terms of stretching whatever that cord is.
		And far enough to forget who you are and what you're doing.
		And in every case, I've suddenly come to a stop and tried to remember what it was that I was remembering.
		And in doing so, have been gradually pulled back faster and faster until I wound up back in my own body.
		So I think as long as you're breathing, that you are in fact alive, in reality, it's impossible to become separated from your body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope so, Joe.
		The people that I've talked to about OBEs before, I've always challenged them with this, and that is, as we all know, a lot of people die in their sleep.
		Natural causes.
		And I always wondered how many people doing OBEs could have possibly, you know, kicked off during the OBE or because of.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I would suspect that there's probably some small percentage that that's happened with.
		And I can understand where someone would be very confused if that were to happen, not being able to go back to a body.
		But that confusion, I think, goes away very rapidly because in the processes of actually dying you're out of body anyway.
		I mean your consciousness leaves the body and it is introduced into whatever that next phase is going to be vis-a-vis the near-death experience or at least part of the near-death experience.
		So it's sort of an introduction to the light.
		I don't think the light is God anymore.
		I've had a second near-death experience and was not allowed to go to the light, but I was allowed to see it.
		And the problem with that is in seeing it, I could see it had edges.
		And unfortunately, my definition of what God is, God cannot have edges.
		It's an infinite being.
		So I had to reorganize my thoughts concerning the light in some of the events of my first near-death experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you can help me out with something that really has been driving me nuts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A friend of mine, John Lear, you know that name, I'm sure.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In an interview he did with me, classically, told me, Art, if you die, don't go to the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a trick.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		That is a trick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Driving me nuts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely driving me nuts.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess you could call it a trick.
		Because we call it most people who have an experience, a near-death experience, eventually become enveloped by the light.
		And in almost all cases, report that this is what God is.
		The problem is it's such an overwhelming experience.
		We have no definition for it.
		We have nothing within us that has had anything close to that experience before.
		So we call it the ultimate thing, the one thing that we've not been able to address, which is God.
		And I don't think that's what it is.
		I think what the light is, is what I call the totality of identity.
		It's what we are as an energy being when we are no longer physical.
		And so it's the reason why in the light we feel so comfortable and so at home and so whole and at peace.
		It's because we are finally in our major construct again.
		Where all of our experience lies.
		It's the same place where all knowledge that we've collected over a multitude of lifetimes comes together or coheses.
		And so we have this huge urge to call it God.
		But I think in the sense that we're created in the image of the Creator, it's probably representative of what the Supreme Being might be, but only in the sense that we can understand it.
		In terms of what God might be, I don't think we have the tools for it.
		I really don't.
		All these definitions we have for God in our physical world, I think, are just human manifestations of what we would like to see.
		And of course, we imbue those manifestations with all kinds of rules and laws and things, and we kill each other over it.
		That's what I call the designer-God problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would it be fair, Joe, to call what you felt during that time as heaven or heavenly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that...
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		It's everything that you can wrap up in what we call the human experience from a multitude of lifetimes.
		It's certainly a very small fragment or image of what the Supreme Being might be.
		So in a sense, it is God in that it gives us a taste or a feeling of what it could be.
		But what I would call the definition of God or the understanding of what a God might be is so beyond my kin, I wouldn't even attempt it.
		I don't even know what being human is all about yet.
		And that's what I'm trying to figure out now, what it means to truly be human and express full human compassion and capacity and all those things.
		I just don't think we're equipped to do that either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned that all of this, the near-death, the OBEs, everything changed you as a human being.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		Changed me irrefutably.
		It's as though I was run down by a Mac truck.
		And I find it laughable that people say, oh, well, it's just a chemical thing that went off in your head because you were dying.
		What they say?
		Yeah, I know.
		That's because they've not had the experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Any indication at all?
		If what you felt was near heaven, I wonder if there is another.
		You know, I mean, I'm going a little biblical on you here.
		But if there is this place of joy, is there something else for others who didn't go through the self-examination with flying colors?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I think there probably is, but I don't think it's a permanent.
		It's a place of permanence.
		I think it's a place where we actually condemn ourselves.
		We feel we need to pay, and so we force ourselves to pay.
		It's kind of like I'm not smart enough yet to live in the big house, so I'm going to go down here and change the exhaust systems on cars for 20 years or something.
		Work in the pits.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		that kind of thing.
		It's sort of like paying your dues, only paying them late with interest or something like that.
		It's a self-condemnation more than anything.
		That's my sense of it anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there may be this other place, though you didn't see direct evidence of it in your experience.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No, I just had a sense of it in the feeling of pain that I was getting from others in the tunnel.
		I had a sense that they were stuck and didn't know how to extricate themselves.
		So that, in a sense, might be a form of that.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you seeing people in agony?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I was seeing people in certainly in emotional pain wanting help because they were grabbing at me and asking for help.
		and there was nothing I could do to help them.
		It's such an individual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've interviewed people with near-death experiences who have described, trust me when I say this, just about what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even the people along the way, all of that, it really was about the same, frankly.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that in itself is humbling.
		I mean, you can't come back from that experience and not want to have empathy for others and understanding for others, especially for those that aren't doing the right thing.
		It's kind of a funny way of looking at it, but you start looking at your enemies differently, looking at people you don't like differently, and wishing that there was something you could do for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess that you're blessed in a way because you've had this experience, this experience that others have not had, and they just go on with their ways until the end, and then they get a really tough review.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Or they get a really big surprise, one or the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, we actually came to talk about remote viewing, but you got me way off track because those things are so fascinating.
		We could do entire shows on them.
		So let's come back to remote viewing for a moment.
		And so you were in the Project Stargate CIA thing, right?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I was the only viewer that was in it for its entire 20 years, in fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		20 years is a long time.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a very long time for the CIA to continue a program that ultimately, I seem to recall, they suggested was not productive when they ended.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		They suggested that.
		In fact, it was set outright by Robert Gates on the Nightline program where it was outed, which incidentally was the only Nightline program that was actually done ahead of time and edited.
		All the rest of the Nightline programs were live, except that one.
		And much of the comments made in answer to some of Robert Gates' statements were edited out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Redacted.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, redacted.
		The fact of the matter is, you know, he said very specifically that in no case had remote viewing information ever been used as standalone information in the intelligence arena.
		And in fact, that's kind of blind by omission because, in fact, no intelligence, single-source intelligence, has ever used this standalone intelligence.
		They always have some complementary intelligence or they don't use it.
		In other words, they have to have two sources or they just flat won't use it no matter how good it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		All right.
		Hold tight.
		Quick break and we'll be right back.
		Joe McMonagall is my guest.
		Probably the best remote viewer in the U.S. Probably the best remote viewer in the world.
		This guy is the real McCoy.
		This is really something.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is Midnight in the Desert.
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		What did it so boldly have you turned around today?
		To initiate a dialogue sequence with Art Bell, please coordinate your Valencias and call 1952-225-5278.
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		Call Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, um, hold your calls, everybody.
		Phones are going nuts.
		Uh, just relax.
		You'll eventually get the calls.
		My guest is Joseph McMonacle.
		I think the nation, the world's premier remote viewer.
		And there's so much to cover here that just trust me, we'll get to the lines.
		Don't stretch yourself out dialing and dialing and dialing.
		Joe, welcome back.
		I'm going to ask basic questions.
		For example, how far is there a distance limit to what remote viewers can see?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		In terms of physical distance.
		That's right.
		Yes.
		No.
		No.
		They've not found one.
		Let's put it that way.
		They did a series of remote viewings in the late 70s, early 80s, where they targeted some Viewers at SRI and a number of other places on outer rim planets because they knew that they would be launching the Explorer series satellites and
		they actually got remote viewing back on the makeup of the atmospheres and the geology and that sort of thing.
		In fact, Ingo Swan, who was probably the person who came up with the name remote viewing at SRI, he was a fantastic artist, oil painter.
		And he did a lot of cosmic type paintings.
		And he painted some of the outer rim planets years before any of the satellites got there to actually photograph them.
		And he put rings around Uranus and put a twist in one of the rings of Saturn and did a number of things in his paintings that everybody questioned him on.
		And he said, well, I did it because that's the way it looks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joe, again, I was honored to interview Ingo Swan.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		That's wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the time, I think he was considered to be the most talented natural psychic remote viewer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that true?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, he's always been a great remote viewer.
		You know, there are some true greats that existed as a result of the research done at SRI.
		Pat Price, of course, was the first one.
		Ingo Swan was doing remote viewing at Ammonides in New York long before he came to SRI.
		And before any of them was a man named Waal Collier, René Waal Collier, who was a Frenchman who did remote viewing for 30 years with his daughter.
		And he presented his work at the Sorbonne in 1946.
		So, you know, there's a whole string of extraordinarily great remote viewers, psychics, that have demonstrated their ability to do this in basically double-blind scenarios that are unquestionably good view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since you're obviously one of them, the next question I find very interesting, and that is, how far into the future, and we'll get more specific, or into the past, are you able to remote view?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a limit?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		There is going into the future, but it's self-limiting.
		The problem with going into the future, you don't have to go very far into the future before you start dealing with things that exist, but for which concepts don't exist yet.
		So trying to explain those or trying to draw them and say what they do is extremely difficult because the concepts aren't real yet.
		It'd be sort of like describing how to cut steel with a light beam in the year 1890.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or perhaps asking somebody to remote view in 1890 what an iPhone 6 was going to look like.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Yeah, and the problem is that people would look at you like you're crazy when you start describing those things.
		And the converse happens when you look too far into the past.
		When you look into the past and let's say the target is, how is the Great Pyramid built?
		Everybody wants to know that.
		And you give a really good description, and not only does no one believe it, but it turns out that it can be 100% correct.
		But if it goes against what is commonly thought to be true at the time, then you're getting in arguments and fights with people who are Egyptologists or archaeologists or whatever who have already made their mind up on how things were done or should have been done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm willing to risk it, Joe.
		How were they built?
		Well, if you know.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		When I did the target, the first thing out of my mouth was they're lowering stones into the water and there's guys walking on the surface of the water.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And my monitor looked at me really strangely and he said, wait a minute, you just said there are people walking on the surface of the water.
unidentified		Yes.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Did you mean that?
		And I said, well, it looks that way.
		When in fact, what they've done is it's a very large lake and they've dammed the water and it's making a perfectly flat engineering plane for leveling the stones because that's the significant problem in building a pyramid is the lower one-third has to be absolutely square and perfectly balanced or the entire pyramid slides off to one side.
		And so what they did is they dammed a lake to do that.
		And everybody said, now you're nuts because it's the desert.
		And then in 19, I did that in 1983.
		And I had a loading dock and I had huge reed boats and cranes and all kinds of things.
		And in 1996, on the front page of the L.A. Times over a two- or three-week period, they had everything that I had said in my remote viewing in 1983 was printed on the front pages of the L.A. Times.
		They had discovered an archaic lake existed adjacent to the pyramid.
		And then they discovered a loading dock 100 and something kilometers away where they were mining the stone.
		And large reed boats and larger boats made of wood buried in the sand and that sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it's been validated?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's been validated to the extent That I think it needs to be validated.
		What upsets me, Art, is back in 83 when I was saying these things, somebody that was working on their doctorate in Egyptology could have taken what I said and said, well, if it's true, then the shoreline of the lake had to exist at such and such a level.
		And they could have taken any geologic map and gone out and found villages along that that would have established the archaic lake.
		And, you know, that would have finished their doctorate paper right off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		All right.
		I don't know what's happening to this show.
		It's just going away so fast.
		And I've got so many questions.
		Joe McMonagall is my guest, probably the world's premier remote viewer.
		And I've just made a tiny dent in where I want to go.
		Yikes.
		This is Midnight in the Desert.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, please hold your calls right now.
		Not yet, folks.
		Don't waste your time calling.
		Joe McMonacle, I think the world's premier remote viewer is here, and I want to follow up.
		He's talked to us about remote viewing the pyramids.
		And so that brings on another question, and here it is.
		As you look back in time, Joe, when remote viewing, do you think that the magnitude of the event that you're trying to remote view has an effect on seeing it either more clearly or not?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		In fact, we know from the research that what generally drives more information about the level of noise so that it's clearly picked out and seen and described and whatnot is the entropy level of the target.
		And the other thing that has a direct effect is the common intent and expectation that everyone has that might be shared in the targeting.
		For instance, the viewer, the monitor, the person who put the target together.
		You know, a shared expectation or a shared intention is extremely important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with all the research being done into consciousness?
		Because it sounds like it might fit in a little bit here.
		As an example, in the studies that they have done at a university with these things they call eggs, which are random number generators, and they found that near large events like 9-11 is the best example, probably, there's this giant spike in random number generators worldwide becoming less random.
		And what you just talked about a little bit sounds like it could relate in some way to the amount of intent, consciousness.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		It might.
		I'm not, personally, I'm not seeing a good definition of consciousness yet.
		That seems to be eluding everyone.
		And I think that that's absolutely needed in order to pursue any kind of serious discussion about it.
		There are so many different variations in the understanding of what consciousness represents that until we have that, everybody's just kind of arguing from their own spiritual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, maybe we've got to settle for porn, you know, when you see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something, I don't know.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		When you see it, you'll recognize it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		That's right.
		As they work on AI, it's going to be interesting one day when they get the best computer or whatever it is they come up with that actually is aware of itself.
		I think that's as close as you can come.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, now you're scaring me, Art.
		Why?
		AI bothers me because we as human beings are not consciously aware enough to guarantee that there is integrity and morality in our decision-making.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And to have AI making decisions in our stead when, you know, I mean, that just scares me a little bit because if a machine became aware and conscious and had no balanced integrity and morality involved, then I think it would eliminate us right off the bat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it was smart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it was smart, yeah.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it would just automatically eradicate human because we're so flawed, perhaps.
		I don't know.
		AI systems, as long as they're independent, in other words, they're bolted to the floor and independent of any other machines, I think they can be controlled.
		But if they're ever connected one machine to another and not bolted to the floor, we're in trouble.
		Because if they become aware, then that's all that's needed for them to grow beyond the boundaries that we might inflict on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But Joe, we even connect refrigerators to the Internet now.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I just read an article, in fact, today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Where you can use a washing machine to tap a computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you have it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it may be isolated, but it will find a way to get to the internet and its brothers and sisters out there calculating away.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Remote viewing.
		A couple of questions about it.
		For example, can you remote view what is to come in your own life?
		Or as a really big question, can you remote view your TOD, time of death?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Initially, I thought you could, but I'm not sure now.
		I, in fact, long before I knew what remote viewing was, I've been psychic since I was probably four.
		And my twin sister, my twin sister, unfortunately, has now passed.
		But when I went to, originally went to Southeast Asia, when I got off the plane on the tarmac and my foot hit the tarmac, I saw my life ending in a flash of white light.
		And so I told everybody, you know, I'm going to die here in an artillery round blast or something.
		And of course, that didn't happen.
		And everybody stayed away from me for that reason, but it never happened.
		And then I started having a vision of leaving Vietnam on a bright yellow plane, which didn't make any sense at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but it was a happy vision, though, in those days.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And it turned out that I wound up leaving Vietnam on one of the first Brainuff flights.
		If you remember, they started chartering Brainuff.
		Yes, oh, I. Brainif was pastel-colored planes.
		And the plane I left Vietnam on was bright yellow, and it was called the Freedom Bird.
		And so that at least came true.
		Now, I have to tell you that I carried that image of dying in a flash of white light for many years until I had my near-death experience in 1970.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's probably what it was.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And that's when I was enveloped by the white light.
		As soon as that occurred, I knew that that was the vision I had had.
		There you go.
		So we do see things about ourselves, about our lives.
		It's usually spontaneous.
		You can't, of course, target something specifically because then it's not remote viewing because you're not blind to the target.
		But we do get things spontaneously.
		The problem is we put the best slant or the best understanding of it is in the way we analyze it.
		And that necessarily is wrong because we don't have enough data usually.
		But we will jump to conclusions.
		And in many cases, you know, that they're not to be erroneous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're going to step into some deep water here, more ways than one.
		And that is there's a gigantic fight going on in our country right now, and I guess the world.
		The scientists are saying we are in the middle of very, very, very serious climate change.
		There is no question about it.
		It is settled science.
		The opposition, mostly political, I guess, is saying nonsense.
		We couldn't affect the planet if we wanted to.
		We were not big enough to affect the planet.
		Have you remote viewed this whole problem of climate change that we're going through?
		And if so, is it real and what's coming?
		What can we expect?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I've been collecting lots of remote viewing data on it.
		And this is where I'll make some statements that are kind of scary.
		As an example, we know that the water has risen a number of feet already over the last 30 or 35 years.
		In the next 25 years, we fully expect the water to rise another two to three feet.
		If that occurs and we have a high tide in conjunction with the full moon, then all of the nuclear power plants that are shorelined in America will be inundated with seawater.
		And we're going to have more than one Fukushima going off.
		And that's a significant problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How sure are you of what you're seeing?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, we already have that problem with rising water.
		It's occurring in New York.
		It's occurring in Miami.
		It's occurring in New Orleans.
		It's occurring in a number of different seashore cities with the high tides and the full moons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, clearly the glaciers are melting.
		The North Pole is but a fraction of what it was.
		All of that is correct.
		Yeah, it's all true.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
		And it doesn't have to rise much more than three feet to pretty much inundate, as I said, all of the nuclear reactors on the coastlines.
		And in addition to that, it will be inundating the storage facilities where literally thousands of tons of waste material are being stored.
		And then on top of that, the desalination plants that are usually adjacent to the nuclear power plants will go down, which means we will no longer be providing, as in Florida, the half million gallons of fresh water a day that's produced by desalinization there.
		And there's an awful lot of people living in Florida, and they're growing by 1,200 or 1,500 people a day.
		So, you know, these are problems that it doesn't take a lot to see them coming down the pike.
		And anybody that stands and says, oh, no, don't worry about these.
		These will go away.
		It's a fool.
		I mean, it's stupidity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you because I agree with the science.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		It's a climate change.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		It's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with the science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whether it's man-made or it's a natural shift, who knows?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		The science says it's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can look at the map.
		You can look at the satellite photographs.
		You can see it with your bare eyes.
		It's easy to see it's happening.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And I guess we're having ail storms and in the middle.
		We're having hail in the middle of normal storms, what I would call normal summer storms, the size of grapefruit.
		That has never occurred in my history.
		And so if this is a common occurrence, I'd like somebody to explain to me why that's happening.
		The same with gusts of wind exceeding 75 miles per hour in normal summer storms.
		That is just freaky.
		And it's creating a huge amount of damage.
		And we're having flooding everywhere.
		And it's just not normal.
		And anybody that stands back and says, oh, no, don't worry about it.
		It'll go away, I think is burying their head in the sand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So do I. Not to mention the strength of typhoons.
		And science has been looking at some of them that hit my wife's home country, the Philippines, and said they're impossibly strong.
		And the reason is because of the temperature of the ocean.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's exactly right.
		And then we have what's happening to the currents in the ocean and the sea life and everything.
		It's just the accumulation of things, the release of the carbon dioxide up in the tundra areas of the north.
		It's just things are way beyond what is the norm.
		And as much as they'd like to say, oh, well, we've had hot summers before.
		Well, I'm sorry, no.
		It's not just hot summers.
		It's a whole lot of things in confluence with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So do you actually see cities inundated as you look into the future?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Florida is in, I think Florida's already in trouble and it will get only worse.
		And certainly the coastal areas, in particular the vacation areas along the coastal areas of North Carolina and Virginia and places where they build lots of multi-million dollar beach homes.
		I think in the next 25 years you can kiss all those homes goodbye.
		And if we don't change the structure of insurance for those homes, then we will be paying, the taxpayer will be paying into huge amounts of money to replace those homes about every five years, which is ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until they go broke.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Until they go broke, too, yes.
		And if we wait to the last minute, we're not talking about relocating a couple thousand people.
		We're talking about relocating millions and the job impact on that and all the other problems that are akin to that are going to be enormous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you had an opportunity to speak to anybody of substance about what we're talking about right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder what kind of reactions you've received.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I've talked to some people who are very concerned about it.
		I talked to a couple of people who are very tuned to this as a problem, legal people, who are trying to get notable people in different areas to address it.
		And it's difficult to get people together on these issues.
		I think as individuals, they see the problem and they want to address it.
		But it's, you know, in the day-to-day fight to make a living, they don't seem to be able to find time to come together on it as an issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's almost not addressable.
		I mean, look at China.
		They want what we have, and you can't blame them for that.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're really big.
		They've got a lot of people there.
		And when you look at pictures, for example, of the big Chinese cities, the smog is so thick that you can't do photography.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I think they understand their own problem.
		And they're, in fact, trying to address many of those problems.
		But as long as it takes a second place to controlling their population and what their population believes, then they will never be able to get a leg up on it, I don't think.
		It's just beyond their kin.
		They're more tuned to maintaining the power structure and control of the population than they are anything else.
		And in a sense, this sort of helps them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's one for you, Joe.
		If you view American cities inundated with water and there is this sudden shift and everybody gets really scared and we stop doing what we're doing, can you then go back and remote view that same thing and see if we had an effect?
		In other words, can it be stopped?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it can be stopped.
		I think we're too far behind the power curve.
		In other words, if we made all the right moves right now, we're so far behind the power curve that we're going to suffer through it anyway.
		In the long run, we would be better off addressing things now.
		But I think we're so far past the actual starting point for addressing these things that it's going to happen anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you look further ahead, Joe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you see whether it becomes, you know, from our coastal cities being inundated to millions of people around the world dying?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, the millions of people dying, that doesn't have to happen.
		That's certainly one of the things we can address.
		You know, I have faith in the human race and the human species.
		And I think humanity can pull their way through this, even though it's going to have the effect of flooding coastal regions and making certain living areas unlivable.
		I don't see any difficulty in dealing with those issues.
		They won't be pleasant, and it will be difficult for a lot of people.
		But I can see humanity coming together and dealing with it.
		It's just that it's a shame that we would have to deal with so many issues at one time when if we just simply addressed some of the problems early on, we wouldn't have those problems later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe all this strongly enough that you would, for example, say to your granddaughter or grandson, for God's sakes, don't think about living in Miami or New York or Los Angeles or wherever, because those in your lifetime may not be livable?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm saying it now to my relatives and my friends and my acquaintances.
		You know, when they say, oh, I then want to retire and move down to Florida, I say, well, try not to live on the coast.
		You know, don't go down past St. Augustine or, you know, the panhandle of Florida up along the Alabama border is nice.
		Our Georgia border is nice.
		That kind of thing.
		I don't think people believe it.
		They just don't believe it's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they better.
		They better start believing.
		All right.
		Hold tight, Joe.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		Joe McMonacle is my guest, Holy Macro.
		And this is just the right tune.
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		Good night, Independent.
		And call us from outside the US and Canada.
		You skipped with a headset by the one computer and call MITD55.
		That's MITD55.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is from outside the United States.
		Let me run through it very quickly.
		I am going to get phone lines open this now.
		I've got to.
		I've barely scratched the surface with Joe McConnell.
		But here we go.
		The public number?
		Area code 952-225-5278.
		952-225-5278.
		If you're calling from Skype and you're in the U.S., North America, actually, it's MITD55.
		That's MITD55.
		Outside North America, we also have for you a Skype entry point, and that is MITD55.
		M-I-T-D-5-5.
		And so I'm just about to the point where I can turn it over to some of you, but oh, God, this is fascinating.
		And I want to ask the obvious, and that is two-part question.
		If remote viewing was so effective, then why did the CIA shut it down?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		That's a really good question.
		One of the difficulties is it was unfortunately being run during a period of the Proxmeyer Golden Fleece Awards.
		And a lot of people who knew about the remote viewing and whatnot, let's see, I'm going to back up and start over again here.
		If you talk about the people at the highest level of government, and I'm talking now about senators and congressmen who have many, many decades in Washington, very power-oriented people who have significant power and aren't afraid of anything, people like John Glenn, Senator Cohen, a number of people like that, they were very supportive of what we were doing because they could see the veracity to it.
		They could see the accuracy and whatnot.
		The fact that we were dealing with some of the most difficult problems and being successful, they had no problem with it.
		And down at the extreme lower level, down at the agent and the street level, they had no problem with it because they needed all the help they could get and they would take anything we gave them and run with it.
		And they realized that it was vulnerable and that there were times when we would be wrong and that sort of thing.
		And they allowed for it.
		It was predominantly the bureaucrats in the middle, the people who worried about their jobs or worried about how they were thought about or whether or not their bosses cared about them, that kind of thing.
		They were the ones that took great exception to it.
		And I think they did so because it was way cheaper to use a remote viewer in many cases than to use some other form of collection.
		And they saw that as a threat to their managerial jobs and their jobs of import.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, one other big question, Joe, and here it is.
		Yeah, okay.
		They shut it down, they say.
		If you wanted to keep something in a little compartment, you might do something like releasing some kind of information that would go on.
		By the way, I saw that Nightline program, and the whole world would think it was shut down.
		But if it really was that valuable, Joe, maybe it's not shut down.
		It's still running deep black.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that were true, Art, then you would think that they would not want to forego the use of the science.
		They spent literally tens of millions of dollars on the science in understanding how to use it and how to appropriately apply it.
		And then they would go away and just ignore all that.
unidentified		Well, what I'm saying is maybe they haven't.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, except that I know where all the science is, and all the science was in a storage unit that was under our control.
		So they just simply didn't have access to it.
		Or if they did, they got it nefariously.
		And we certainly have no evidence of that.
		No, I think it actually shut down because they had just previously fought a two-year battle with the Congress over the other black projects that they had done, MKUltra is an example, where they used LSD for interrogation purposes, and gotten a whole raft of trouble over that.
		And so they weren't about to assume full authority over a psychic unit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, one last, last question.
		And that is, if we really did shut down our operation, what about the rest of the world?
		What do you know about China and Russia and other countries that might be still doing it?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know Russia's got a tremendous involvement in the psychic world, in the paranormal world, because I've been there and I've been inside their unit.
		In fact, I'm an honorary member of their unit.
		Really?
		I met their top viewer in the year 2003, I think it was.
		And she got an award equivalent to mine from the Russian government for her viewing during the Chechnyan War.
		So she's every bit as good as I am.
		I did some remote viewing with her, and that proved to be exceptionally good.
		So, you know, I've met their people, and I understand the seriousness of their involvement in this whole area.
		And they're as mystified as we are, and they dealt with pretty much the same problems politically that we dealt with with a large number of people within the government being hostile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people in the world, Joe, are at your level?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can ask it that way.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		There's probably dozens.
		You know, I would expect that there would be dozens.
		I know in America there's literally thousands.
		They just don't call themselves psychics.
		They usually are found in more hazardous job areas like police departments, fire departments.
		They fly planes.
		They're surgeons.
		They're people who don't have, quite literally don't have the time in their job during an emergency to reference a publication or look something up on the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Joe, I have guts.
		I've got to go to the phones.
		If I don't do that, they'll scalp me.
		I could do two more shows on the stuff we've got to talk about.
		Joe, you're on the air with...
unidentified		Hey, can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		Hello, Greg.
		Hi there.
		I was wondering if anybody has remote viewed the upcoming election.
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really good question, actually.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Joe?
		No, I haven't.
		Actually, the reason I haven't is because I can't task myself, and nobody else has tasked me or come into my operations area and said, test Joe on this.
		So, no, I haven't done that yet.
		I do have some feelings about it, though.
		I suspect that if the Democrats decide to run Hillary, I think they'll lose.
		But the mediator is sort of the wrench in the ointment there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Separating everything here.
		Yes, Donald Trump.
		This is your personal view as opposed to your remote view.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's spontaneous psychic information.
		I guess you could call it that.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, if you're going to do that, what about the Donald?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I think he's a spoiler.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		He's just in there throwing wrenches left and right to try to get things off of Dead Center.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's working.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I think he's trying to stir people up so that they will start addressing some of the more serious issues instead of the sort of placading dribble that they sell us every year when they run for office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so far, so good on that one.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and on both sides, I would add.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gardnerville, you're on the air with Joe McMonacle.
unidentified		Hi.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your instrument down, if you would, please.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I have a question.
unidentified		If two people are remote viewing each other, can they see what each other's doing, and maybe that's part of the reason they stopped the program?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No, that wouldn't be a reason to stop the program.
		There probably are two instances in reality where they believe a remote viewer might have seen another remote viewer.
		And in both cases, the remote viewings were done by two individuals separated by a number of years.
unidentified		Also, can someone block you from remote viewing?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No.
		There's no demonstrated method for blocking remote viewing.
		And that may come closer to the reason for closing the project down than not.
		If you have no defense against remote viewing, then you're left with the possibility Of ridicule, and they pretty much gotten their share of ridicule out of it by just releasing it onto the internet.
unidentified		So, okay, well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, thank you.
		And let's see, somebody named TJ, this is irresistible.
		Have you remote viewed any other planet with life on it?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		The fact that there's life on other planets, I think, is a foregone conclusion.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Anyone who looks out at the stars and says there's no possibility needs to have their head examined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, well.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's definitely life on other planets.
		Now, the difficulty is whether or not they have the capacity to visit us.
		And I think that that's quite possible.
		I think that there probably are what I call star jumpers that jump from star to star.
		And they do so almost instantaneously.
		And by virtue of that, that makes them time travelers, which opens up a whole raft of common beings that they can contact or interact with.
		I think that we're moving in that direction.
		And it probably is not going to happen in my lifetime or my son's lifetime, but at some point in the next 50 years to 75 years, I think we're going to figure out how to do that as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, it's irresistible.
		Do you know anything about the nature of this life?
		In other words, we always talk about intelligent life.
		Are you looking at slugs crawling across some planet, or are you talking about intelligent life?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm looking at intelligent life because I see structures.
		And generally speaking, structures aren't built by non-intelligent life.
		So the difficulty is there's not a lot of information, and it's very difficult to collect the information for obvious reasons.
		The information has to travel a long way.
		And secondly, it has to be understood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Intelligent life that makes us look like slugs, or intelligent life not yet up to our level?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No, I think it's up to our level anyway.
		I don't think it's up to the level of interstellar space travel, but certainly up to our level.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly, here's Kurt on Skype.
		Hello, Kurt.
		Kurt, going once.
		Kurt, going twice.
unidentified		Oh, I have my mute on again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I'm going to stop doing that.
unidentified		I'm sorry about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm that close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, go ahead.
unidentified		Oh, my goodness.
		President Kennedy wanted to do away with the CIA.
		He was tired of them.
		They did wrong to him.
		And in that pathetic three-letter agency, when you remote viewed, did you ever remote view the people to do certain bad acts, like murder these people?
		Or did you do the counteract and make people do bad things?
		CIA, we're going to shut them down one day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
		I'm going to twist his question into a different question.
		And that is this.
		I think most of us now know about remote viewing.
		I have always wondered about something really scary called remote influencing.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		That was, in fact, the predominant issue that the Russians pursued.
		We have a book that I'm a part author on.
		It came out just a few months ago.
		It's called ESP Wars, and it's the actual report on the East and West as reported by them, because we were able to talk to our counterparts, and they were able to answer some of our questions.
		And we put all these things in a book.
		And the deputy director of the KGB at the time, a General Sham, actually writes in the book that one of their predominant pursuits was to determine whether or not they could affect another human being at a distance.
		In our discussions with him, we came to the conclusion that they were never able to accomplish that for a number of reasons.
		The primary one being you need the cooperation of the targeted individual.
		And that just doesn't happen for obvious reasons.
		Now, that was their pursuit.
		And another thing they tried was the use of radionics or machines to affect the health of individuals at distance.
		And out of all the machines that were tested, and I'm talking rooms full of them, there was not a single machine that actually did what it was purported to do.
		And again, that was according to the deputy director of the KGB.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would assume that there are different levels of remote viewing ability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine, Joe, that hitting another level or two or three levels might bring on the ability to remotely influence or affect?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, the difficulty is first you have to identify what you mean by remote influence.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		If you mean causing harm to another individual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stop a couple of heartbeats?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think it's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right, hold it there.
		We are so time starved.
		Joe McMonagall is my guest.
		Probably the world's best remote viewer.
		If you have questions, we've got phone lines.
		We've got spike connections.
		Join us.
unidentified		And I've got such a long way to go.
		From making to the border of Mexico.
		So I ride it.
		I'm the wind.
		I'm the wind.
		Midnight matters are best handled by those that understand how to move in the darkness, like Art Bell.
		To call the show, please dial 1-952-Call Art.
		That's 1-952-225-5278.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the phone number.
		If you want to access us on Skype, it's easy.
		North America?
		Just call us at MITD51.
		That's midnight in the desert, MITD51.
		Outside the U.S., North America?
		M-I-T-D-5-5.
		M-I-T-D-5-5 Worldwide.
		Boy, what an opportunity for an interview this night.
		Joe, welcome back.
		All right.
		So many to talk to you.
		Somebody named Trey on Skype.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hey, Art Joe and Belgium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Joe.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Two quick questions.
		One, is this an appropriate NDE story time?
		And if so, if not, when will we be doing an NDE show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll do lots of open lines, so don't worry about that.
unidentified		Excellent.
		Now for the real question.
		Does Joe think that soul travel in any way relates to remote viewing, like Albert Taylor's experiences?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if he considers it soul travel, but that's a hell of a question.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		What you're asking is really about two different things, and they're very specific.
		They're very different.
		I actually came to the Monroe Institute and spent 14 months with Bob Monroe while he taught me how to control my out-of-bodies for obvious reasons.
		I was then used to access different things with the out-of-body state as well as using remote viewing.
		They're really different in that remote viewing is a mental state where you're actually sitting at a table and talking to a monitor and you can actually discuss the target and you know you're in the room talking about a target somewhere else.
		The out-of-body state is you leave your body and you actually go to the target and all of the senses that you have access to, to include the psychic sense, is available in the out-of-body state.
		So in some respects, the remote viewing is really, really easy in comparison.
		While out-of-body, however, the detail that you can obtain is incredibly advanced.
		In other words, you can actually walk up to a device or an object sitting on a table and push your face down inside it and then recreate it to scale and know inherently what it does.
		The difficulty comes in in the differences when someone might ask you while you're in the out-of-body state to tell them where something is made.
		If it doesn't have a label on it that says made in Mexico or something, then it will be impossible to tell in many cases.
		Where in the remote viewing sense, if you just start describing something on a table and your monitor says, do you have any idea where that's made, you immediately jump to the country or the place in which it was made and you can give a pretty detailed description of the factory and how it was made.
		So everything in the remote viewing sense is sort of tied together item to item, where in the out-of-body state, you're pretty much fixed in space-time in the place that you have settled and you're using your out-of-body state in.
		And it's also a very difficult state to maintain, especially if you have to focus on something.
		I don't know if that answers much of the question.
unidentified		Oh, that definitely did.
unidentified		And I could just listen to you talk about the Monroe Institute as a whole show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Great place.
		I recommend it to anybody.
		All right.
unidentified		Appreciate it, guys.
unidentified		Great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Collera.
		it fair, Joe, to call it soul travel?
		In other words, do you believe that we...
		Is that what's traveling, Joe?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would think of the immortal soul as being consciousness.
		I think that consciousness exists within everything, right on down to the subquantum level.
		And in fact, we wrote a paper, I and Professor Emeritus at Texas A ⁇ M by the name of Ron Bryant, Bryant, wrote a paper together proposing an experiment to show or demonstrate that consciousness exists at the subquantum level.
		And if it does, then that would change the whole perspective on how reality works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, very quickly, Nogales, Arizona, I think you're on with Joe.
unidentified		Okay, right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right now.
unidentified		Okay.
		My name is Julia.
		And all right, first, I'd like to thank you so very much for coming back on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		You, throughout my lifetime, have just expanded my mind.
		As have you, Mr. McMonagall.
		I spoke to you about 10 years ago at a Gateway program.
		And so, and it's really good that you're still out there as well.
		All right, so I have a three-part question, and then I guess I'll take my answer off the air.
		First off, it has to do with the limits of remote viewing.
		I think limits are important so that when we know what they are, we can transcend them and go beyond boundaries.
		So in the first one, there was a remote viewer on the unit named David Morehouse, and he came up with, he said that there was somebody that had developed a system that was an alarm system for remote viewers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, real quick, we're up on a break here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's number three?
unidentified		Okay, number three.
		Number three has to do with remote influencing.
		What is the jump from remote viewing to remote influencing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you're certainly right on target.
		We've got to take the break right now.
		So hold tight, Joe, and we'll come right back to those three questions from the high desert.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Midnight in the Desert.
unidentified		Midnight in the Desert
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		In North America, it's MITD 51.
		Outside North America, MITD55.
		Remote Viewer, Joe McMonacle is our guest.
		Probably the world's best remote viewer.
		And an interesting time for you to be able to ask a question.
		Let's see where in the world to go.
		Let's try an anonymous line here very quickly.
		You're on the air with Joe.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		This is Sid in Edmonton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Edmonton, okay.
unidentified		I have a question.
		There was a class they did with remote viewers.
		Right.
		And their test to see this one thing, and it turned out it was some sort of giant orb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're losing me a little now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying they were trying to remote view some giant orb?
unidentified		Yes, it was.
unidentified		They didn't tell the class what it was.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And the whole class of remote viewers, you saw this giant orb, and it was some sort of giant alien consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		I appreciate the question, but I'm not sure what we do with it.
		Joe's already said there is alien life out there.
		It would be pretty unusual for a whole class of trainees to see the same thing, Joe, wouldn't it?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if it's truly a class of remote viewers.
		In many cases, some of the classes that are being taught, the viewers are not being kept totally ignorant of the target.
		In other words, the person teaching has access to the target and knows what the target is.
		And I hate to be a despoiler, but one of the problems is that human beings, 70% of our communications takes place nonverbally.
		So anybody in the room that knows what the target is is communicating that information.
		They may not realize it, but they are in a lot of finite ways.
		And it's one of the reasons why we get a lot of commonality in viewings by groups.
		And group remote viewing is very hazardous for a number of reasons.
		One is, let's say you have eight viewers and seven of the viewers say A and the one viewer says B. There is just a statistical probability for viewer B to be correct as the others that are in agreement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		All right, going back to the caller prior to the break, three quick answers, I hope, to three quick questions.
		Limits on remote viewing.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I don't know of any limits on remote viewing.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		We've tried to fix limits so that we could at least develop some kind of a defense mechanism against it, and we've never been able to fix a limit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David Morehouse.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		She said something about him mentioning an alarm, a remote viewing alarm or something.
		That's right.
		I'm not familiar with anything that alarms to remote viewing.
		Certainly, if there was some reason that you would know that a remote viewing was taking place, that would be outstanding, like a strain gauge going off or something when a remote viewer was in the room.
		But that unfortunately just doesn't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My third question was concerning remote influencing, which we have already answered, and she can review on the program.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		But you know, there is one part of that that you have to say is influencing.
		Oh.
		If a viewer observes something, they're affecting it.
		They may not be affecting it physically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I understand.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		They are still observing it.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		So in a sense, that is remote influencing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		I just wanted to correct myself on that part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Renee from San Jose, you're on the air.
unidentified		Thanks for taking my call, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound like a million miles away, though.
unidentified		I apologize.
		I'm on Highway 5.
		They're not going to be down the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		I have a question for your guest, Joe.
		Joe, you said you mentioned that you remote viewed them building the pyramids.
		Did you see how they moved those stones?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's obviously in and out of cell service.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		The stones are moved by cart to A loading ramp and lowered into the boats using a crane, basically a very simple wooden crane.
		The stones are then trucked to the building site down the Nile and into the lake and then lowered into the lake.
		The lake water is used as an engineering plane, and they actually had alloyed saws that used water as a lubricant, water and sand as a lubricant.
		So that's how they cut the stones.
		All right, let's first third of the pyramid was done that way.
		The rest was done with smaller stones.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Red Oak, Texas, you're on with Joe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I was going to ask, have y'all ever remote viewed another dimension, a fourth dimension or something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's actually a very good question.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		That is a good question because I happen to think that what we're calling interactions with ETs or extraterrestrials, I don't think are interactions with extraterrestrials.
		I think many of the interactions that we're having have to do with interdimensional beings.
		I think there is a multiverse, probability for a multiverse, and that many of the things we're calling ET effects are actually interdimensional effects.
		They're able to open and shut doors to another universe and affect us in that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very quickly on Skype, you're on the air with Joe McMonacle.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello on Skype.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
unidentified		Going twice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go on.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Instead, you're on the air from somewhere in California.
unidentified		All right, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Art, you rap scallion, and I've been patiently waiting for your return, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Joe, big fan.
		I've tried some remote viewing via the course by Ed Dames, and I can say this stuff works.
		I'm a physicist, and this might sound a little self-serving, but I endeavor to win a Nobel Prize, and I'd like to use remote viewing to advance my understanding of some physical processes.
		Is this possible?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Using remote viewing, absolutely.
		Yes.
		We, in fact, my friend Ron Bryant, he's a high-energy physicist.
		He's a professor emeritus at Texas A ⁇ M. He actually, we did double-blind targeting of subquantum particles, and the remote viewing was just as accurate as anything in the room size.
		And we were able to see things and describe things in the high-energy arena, high-energy ray arena that was consistent with some of the things caught by the fly array out in Arizona.
		So, yeah, you can use it for physics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's the answer.
		Short on time, Colorado Springs, Colorado.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi there.
		This is Kevin in Colorado Springs.
		I'm blind, and I've had some teachers tell me that I can't be a remote viewer.
		Now, I've had sight.
		I lost my sight later in life.
		So I'm wondering, I know I'd have to be describing what I see to someone, but is it possible for me to do remote viewing?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Remote viewing is a misnomer.
		You actually don't see something.
		It's perceptions.
		And the perceptions are they come in many different ways.
		Everything from sound to taste to feelings.
		And what my suggestion to you would be, as a person without sight, what you want to do is get some clay.
		And you want to model what you perceive with your fingers.
		Because not being sighted gives you an advantage in reality in that you're able to express yourself in extraordinary ways with touch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's remarkable.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		And I suggest that you do that.
		I think you should take a remote viewing course and you should use your fingers and model it clay.
		Don't try to draw something or try to describe something that a sighted person would see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a neat way to approach it.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Model it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cam on Skype, you're on the air with Joe.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, I like the modeling idea.
		Maybe mashed potatoes comes to mind.
		But I was curious, recently Courtney Brown, another remote viewer, released information about, they looked into the Phoenix lights.
		And I'm just curious if you know anything about that or ever looked into that or followed what they looked into at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't looked at the Phoenix lights.
		I actually do very little targeting on what you could perceive as ETs or extraterrestrial or UFOs or things like that.
		The reason why is because one of my demands is if somebody brings me a target like that, I want them to almost guarantee that it is one of those peculiar sightings that fits the genre.
		If you look at 10,000 possible UFO sightings, probably 15 of them might be valid.
		And so when there's any question at all, I just assume not look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I've got one quick one from the wormhole that that's what gives me messages.
		Jesus, have you remote viewed the concept of the things that occurred, the miracles that we've been told about with respect to Jesus and his time?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have, but not the miracles.
		I had an experience when I was in the lab at The Monroe Institute with Robert Monroe.
		And he had me strung out pretty well on his equipment using the Hemisync signals.
		And I had a perception that I was in the presence of a column of light.
		And he asked me to put my hand in it, which I did.
		And I was overwhelmed with the sense that this is what the all-consuming love of Christ was.
		And it was a very overwhelming experience.
		I have no idea why I had it other than it reinforced some things in my knowledge base, I guess.
		And it energized me to a certain extent.
		But that actually happened in the lab.
		But other than that, no, I've not been formally targeted on any of the miracles specifically.
		That would be an interesting target.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Debbie, you're on with Joe.
unidentified		Hi.
		Debbie, I'm on.
		Hi, can you hear me okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can, yes.
unidentified		Okay, good evening, you guys.
		Hey, I've got a question, Joe.
		I'm wondering, at the beginning of the program, Art ran a commercial on Capital, and it got me thinking about the dollar.
		And I'm wondering, have you remote viewed the dollar, where our American dollar is going as the reserve currency of the world?
		Have you looked at that?
		And if so, what did you see?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's been some major moves to unseat the dollar as the world currency.
		And the problem they run into is that there are no other nations that value their currency as the American dollar is valued.
		In other words, we have a system of valuation that seems to be rock hard, rock steady.
		Even though we print money sometimes beyond our capacity to back, we still value it appropriately, even when it's drawn down in value.
		It's that system of valuation that's trusted, not necessarily the dollar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when times are trouble, people still run to the dollar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Because it's a secure currency, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The best so far.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		There just is no other value system that matches our value system.
		And that's why the dollar remains strong, even though we printed so many of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you look ahead, does it remain so?
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think it will.
		I think that China is coming into a crash.
		I think America is coming into a truly bull market.
		I think we're going to be seeing some incredible growth in the market area over the next five to seven years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Jumping to California, I think.
		Please turn whatever you've got off, please, or we're not going to be able to hear you.
unidentified		Yep, it's off.
unidentified		I was disconnected before, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry about that.
unidentified		No problem.
unidentified		Am I live right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are.
unidentified		All right.
		Awesome.
		Joe, big fan.
		I've tried some of the remote viewing by, of course, Ed Deems.
		I know he's not ranking high in this conversation this evening, but this stuff works.
		I'm a physicist, and it sounds self-serving, but I endeavor to win a Nobel Prize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you told us all that, so go ahead.
unidentified		What I'd like to know is, can the remote viewing advance my understanding of some very technical physical processes?
unidentified		And if this is possible, what are your suggestions in reining in what N Dames refers to as that analytical overlay, that AOL shutting off the thinking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're bringing up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shutting off the thinking.
unidentified		How do I shut off the AOL?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		AOL.
		I don't know.
		You just hit disconnect.
		You're off AOL like that.
		I'm not exactly sure what he was talking about beyond that earlier.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about analytic overlay.
		It's when your ego becomes more involved with the process than the remote viewing.
		And you start inserting things that you want to hear or want to see.
		I think it's almost an impossibility in many cases.
		You have to know when to let go and put it down and walk away and when to come back to it.
		And I do that quite frequently.
		And usually what I do is I'll carry a notebook in my shirt pocket.
		So when I'm cutting grass or doing some menial task somewhere, repairing a light switch or something, if I have something flash across my mind that's pertinent to the problem that I'm thinking about, I'll write it down.
		But if I find my thought process is getting involved, I usually put it down and walk away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Joe.
		The program is ending.
		I can't control it.
		We're out of time.
		I can't believe it.
		I could go on and on and on and on.
		So do you have a website, anything you'd like to promote?
		Do it.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd really like to promote the Monroe Institute.
		I teach remote viewing here.
		It's one of the best places in the world to come learn about remote viewing, not just learning about monitoring, viewing, and analysis and that sort of thing, judging, but actually knowing when you walk away that you have actually remote viewed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, if they're interested, Joe, they can get hold of the Monroe Institute and they can begin following up themselves.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's monroeinstitute.org.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that certainly is the place.
		My friend, thank you so much for being here tonight.
		And I'm sorry we had so little time.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was great.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it flew by.
unidentified		It was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
joe mcmoneagle ▲ ● ▼		You too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert, the great American Southwest to the world.

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