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July 29, 2015 - Art Bell

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Art Bell MITD - Preston Dennett UFOs Paranormal

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	I'm Art Bell.
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	I think that's it.
	All right, I've got a few things that I want to say.
	One, it looks like they've found it. 370.
	A U.S.
	official says air safety investigators have a, and this is in quotes, high degree of confidence, that a photo of aircraft debris found in the Indian Ocean near Reunion, as a matter of fact, or on Reunion, washed up, is of a wing component unique to the Boeing 777.
	I think Boeing is sure, though they haven't, you know, identified the numbers yet.
	And I think this is 370.
	So everybody can stop scouring Diego Garcia.
	And I think probably what they're doing is they're trying to figure out the proper protocol to notify relatives.
	And of course they do have to read the numbers.
	So we'll see.
	But it looks like they have found it.
	This goes to last night's show.
	And I want to read it.
	Because I really think it does go to last night's show.
	Back in 2001, as part of Stephen Greer's disclosure project, you know Stephen, right?
	Sergeant First Class Clifford Stone blew the whistle on what he referred to as unacknowledged special access groups, or USAPs, within the U.S.
	government.
	Programs like this are commonly referred to as black projects, or deep black programs.
	And they are of an extremely covert and secretive nature, of course.
	Unacknowledged special access programs are said to be highly compartmentalized.
	Something I mentioned the other night, right?
	And even with those, the necessary security clearances can only access the information on a need-to-know basis.
	And you only need to know so much.
	They're hidden from public oversight and accounting.
	In other words, no watchdog committee watches over them.
	And they probably consume, for example, in 2013, Edward Snowden leaked secret government documentation that proved, A, they do exist, and B, we spent about $52.6 billion Toward those operations in 2013.
	So that all goes back to last night's show.
	52.6 billion dollars.
	How many doctor's appointments would that be?
	And now something, by the way, coming up of course, we have a guest tonight.
	Eventually we will be getting to him.
	Preston Dennett is my guest and this may interest him.
	It interested me.
	He talks about ghosts.
	And this comes from anomalous.com.
	A lot of good things do.
	There's something notable about males and violence in real life, right?
	How many times does somebody walk in somewhere and start shooting?
	Usually it's a guy.
	But there is something notable about them.
	After life.
	There's a study conducted by somebody named Eldenur Harldusen, I believe it is, A psychologist at the University of Iceland, of all places, of 337 cases of people who have reported encounters with the dead.
	Quite a survey.
	The apparitions were mostly males, and it's where the cause of death was known.
	In 30% of the cases, the person had died violently.
	That may not sound very significant.
	It's 30%, right?
	But the percentage of violent deaths in the study during the relevant time period, studies of reincarnation cases, most notably by the late Ian Stevenson, show the same pattern of mostly males being involved again and again and again.
	So, I guess mean in this life, mean in that life.
	And then there's no way I can let Cecil go without comment.
	Cecil the Lion.
	Um, it's got to be the saddest doggone story I've ever seen.
	Cecil was killed by a dentist.
	I guess you know that now, right?
	This was a lion in a preserve in Africa.
	In a preserve.
	And it is said that it was lured out of the preserve so this dentist could, from what I heard, shoot bows and arrows, shoot arrows at it.
	And then, uh, I guess it was up to, like, forty hours before poor Cecil, loved by many, and tagged, by the way, died.
	It took him a long time to die so this guy could have his people lure him out and shoot him.
	And, uh, The public is really ticked off.
	I mean, really ticked off.
	Now this doctor has sort of just disappeared.
	I don't blame him.
	Everybody's after him.
	He's much hated.
	But it's just really a sad story, if you could see this lion.
	My goodness.
	If anything will bring you close to crying, that's it.
	I have cats, as you know.
	Recently lost my Yeti.
	Oh, God, that was hard.
	So Cecil's nothing but a big cat.
	Really big cat.
	Was a really big cat until the dentist shot him.
	So that's a big deal.
	And then there's one final item, and then we'll break.
	And that is... I discussed this the other day.
	I brought it up.
	It's the cube.
	I don't know why I'm stuck on the cube, but I'm stuck on the cube.
	And I asked Keith to bring it to the top of the website, which he did.
	But then he thought I was done with it, and I was just going to discard the cube like it was nothing.
	And so he eliminated it from the website, and I called him today and said, Keith, where's the cube?
	I thought you were done with it.
	No.
	I'm far from done with the cube.
	And I'm going to discuss this with our guest coming up.
	No, I'm not done with the cube.
	I would like you all to go there and look at it, if you get a chance.
	These are still photographs taken, I might add, by many people.
	That's really important.
	Taken by many people.
	So, please go take a look at it, and I think this is something serious.
	Maybe I'm wrong.
	Maybe I'm fooled.
	Maybe I am a fool.
	But it's being discarded by much of the UFO community.
	Why?
	Because, well, it's a cube.
	And I think that is a tragic, serious mistake on the part of ufology.
	Now, maybe it's some cube balloon or something?
	I don't know.
	But it's really odd.
	It doesn't belong.
	It certainly doesn't belong popping out of a cloud.
	Here's my thinking.
	Who are we to say that a UFO has got to look like a flying saucer?
	I mean, isn't it just silly to say that?
	For all we know, UFOs are invisible.
	Or UFOs are cubes.
	Or something else that doesn't make sense.
	I think this cube is extremely mysterious.
	Real, because many people got photographs from different locations.
	And it started me thinking, well, ufology seems to be sort of dismissing this, and I think it's because it's not a saucer.
	How could we possibly know how they think?
	How could we even guess what they might build?
	Isn't that rather, what's the right word, egotistical of us, or earth-centered of us, or Human-centered of us to be doing?
	I think there's something really there, and because it doesn't look like what we imagine, doesn't mean it isn't worth our attention.
	Go to artbill.com, you'll see it at the top, and you can hear the comments of the people.
	Well, alright.
	Coming up, Preston Dennett began investigating UFOs and the paranormal.
	Tonight, we're not going to concentrate so much on UFOs.
	Well, a little cube talk at the beginning.
	And then out of body.
	And maybe some ghosts.
	Anyway, he started all this back in 86, when he discovered that his family, friends, co-workers were having dramatic and unexplained encounters.
	Since then, he's interviewed hundreds of witnesses, investigated a wide variety of paranormal phenomena, He is a field investigator for the MUFON UFO network, a ghost hunter, a paranormal researcher, the author of 17 books and 100 articles.
	Wow!
	Been all over the place.
	Radio shows, TV shows, history channels, deep-sea UFOs, UFO hunters.
	His research has been presented, for example, by the LA Times, LA Daily News, Dallas Morning News, you get the idea.
	All over the place.
	He's taught various classes on paranormal subjects in lectures across the U.S.
	He currently lives in Reseda, California, and he'll tell you all about his website.
	He will be here in a few moments.
	To call the show, please direct your finger digits to dial 1-952-225-5278.
	That's 1-952-CALL-ART.
	So, go take a look at the cube.
	Actually, two separate people who happened to catch good shots of the cube coming out of the cloud.
	Or whatever it is it's doing.
	And I'm telling you, it's weird.
	Well, all right.
	On now to Preston Bennett.
	We're going to talk about a lot of things out of body, mainly, I think.
	But we're going to start with The Cube.
	Hey, Preston.
	Hi, Art.
	How are you doing?
	I'm doing really well.
	You are in Reseda, California, right?
	That's right.
	I called you before the show and I said, look at The Cube.
	And I take it you did.
	I looked at the cube.
	Okay.
	Now, it doesn't look like a UFO.
	Well, in the strictest sense, I guess it does.
	It's unidentified, and it appears to be flying.
	Other than that, though, it doesn't match up with the, you know, what most people think it ought to look like, but it's weird.
	Really weird.
	Right, right.
	No, it's not silver or metallic.
	It's not saucer-shaped.
	It's not V-shaped.
	It's not, you know, spherical.
	Right.
	You know, these are the common ones that, you know, I think we hear a lot of.
	Yes.
	Yes, but, you know, they might not think like us, huh?
	Well, how could they possibly?
	I mean, by definition, they are alien.
	And this is one of the things that's really, I think, kind of frustrating and at the same time interesting about, you know, investigating UFOs is The variety of these craft.
	Yes, we do get a lot of saucer shapes, but I don't think there's a shape out there that we haven't heard about, whether it's crosses or donut shapes or crescent shapes.
	I mean, it just goes on.
	I had one guy tell me, I don't know how to describe the shape.
	It wasn't octagonal.
	It had all these different sides that were different lengths.
	It was very oddly shaped, like a lump.
	So he kind of described it.
	We seem to want it to be a saucer.
	Yeah, saucers are nice shapes, definitely.
	Very convenient, but certainly that's not the only thing people are seeing.
	I think that that came from the early movies, science fiction movies that we had, because they were all saucers.
	Right, it's interesting, because Kenneth Arnold, you know, he didn't actually see saucers, and apparently the Roswell craft wasn't, you know, technically a saucer.
	There you go.
	Right, you're absolutely right.
	Okay, well, anyway.
	I really wanted to call attention to that.
	I want people to look at it.
	It is, to me, as much if not more of a mystery than, well, stuff that's like a saucer.
	Yeah, you know what I like about the photograph, actually, is you can see this thing before it's fully formed.
	Oh, yes.
	As if it's, you know, interdimensional and coming into our... Yes.
	...you know, physical space.
	That's the other thing.
	I mean, who says their method of propulsion is remotely like anything we even imagine?
	It might have just...
	Materialized there.
	Right, because you can see it interacting with the cloud.
	Yes.
	It clearly looks like a very large object at quite a distance from the camera.
	Yes.
	It would be hard to fake for sure.
	It would, and I don't think it was a fake.
	I mean, when people get it from different angles, I suppose it could be a fake craft, as it were, but it's not a fake photograph, that's for sure.
	Well, I listened to the interview, and you can tell the witnesses are obviously sincere.
	Yes.
	You know, and with multiple witnesses, well, right off the bat, there you've got a good case.
	But it didn't go nuts like most things like that would, and I'm convinced the reason it didn't go nuts, even though it was covered, is because it didn't look right.
	That's kind of Arthur C. Clarke, 2001, the monolith.
	Kind of, maybe it scared people a little bit.
	Exactly.
	Exactly right.
	Oh, I'm getting a little notice of internet connection problem from you.
	But I don't hear it.
	You sound great.
	Yeah, I can hear you fine.
	Well, so much for you, Skype.
	All right.
	Let's move to OBEs.
	And I really, really love the subject of OBEs, Preston.
	I only had one in my whole life.
	It happened when Ramona and I went to Paris, France.
	And it was amazing, Preston.
	I had been asleep.
	I woke up and like somebody snapped a switch.
	And this is the only way I can describe it.
	I was in the most joyous, welcoming, amazing place I had ever been.
	It was absolute pure joy, but it scared the Heck out of me.
	And I snapped right out of it.
	I was somewhere else.
	I mean, instantaneously, I was somewhere else.
	An amazing place of some kind.
	But boy, did it shock me, Preston.
	I didn't do any tours.
	I didn't get to go to some other place on the earth, as people have been described to do with OBEs.
	But it was incredible.
	You know, there aren't words.
	No, there really aren't.
	I know exactly what you're talking about.
	But we're on a radio show, so we're going to have to find words.
	So what is an out-of-body experience?
	Well, you know, the simple definition is an out-of-body experience is when you perceive yourself as being separate from your body.
	And to elaborate on that a little bit, we all have a dream body, or an astral body, if you will, which is separate from the physical.
	And in fact, we're kind of projecting down here from the so-called other side into a physical body.
	So an out-of-body experience is sort of the reverse of that.
	They call it projection.
	But in fact, we're going towards, you know, our Source.
	And we not only have... We're going toward our Source.
	Right.
	We not only have a physical body and an astral body.
	As you get into this, it gets a little bit more complicated than that.
	Wait, what is the Source?
	Where we come from, you know, God, all that is, the spirit which moves through all things, the universe, the light.
	It goes by many different names in different cultures, but it's pretty clear when you start doing this stuff that there's something up there.
	Okay, I'm going to give you a gift that will keep on giving, okay?
	I'm ready.
	You mentioned the light, right?
	Right.
	Um, John Lear is a friend of mine.
	Uh, you know the name, I'm sure, right?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Okay, Learjet fame, daddy.
	Anyway, um, I did a very serious interview with John Lear, one in which he said, uh, the most important thing I'm ever going to tell you, Art, or something along those lines, is as follows.
	When you die, you will have a choice of going to the light or the darkness.
	Don't go to the light.
	It's a trick.
	And I'll leave you with that, Preston.
	For you to think about that the rest of your life.
	It's bugged me ever since.
	I don't know.
	I've been in the light.
	You know, I've gone out of my body.
	I've done all of this.
	So you're here to say the light is the way.
	It's part of the universe.
	There's a source there.
	There's something really wonderful within the so-called light that near-death experiencers are reporting.
	Absolutely.
	So, are you sure enough of the goodness of the light to say, John's all wet, go to the light?
	Go towards the light, yeah.
	I think that you're going to be fine.
	I would say, when you're at that point, you know, make the decision then.
	It's not something you don't want to do.
	I mean, if you're uncomfortable with it, you can turn away.
	See, this has driven me nuts ever since.
	I mean, you make the wrong choice and there's no going back.
	Well, here's the problem.
	This is the big problem on the other side.
	You know, people who don't go towards light, who are stuck here on the physical plane as ghosts.
	And a lot of these people don't even know they're dead.
	And this actually turns up in pretty much every out-of-body book I've ever read.
	All right, all right.
	Did you hear what I read at the beginning of the program about the study in Iceland of the people who died violently?
	Yes.
	Yes, I heard it.
	I'm like, oh.
	Yeah.
	This is a problem.
	So, it's real.
	In other words, I've said jokingly a few times, you know, nasty on this side, nasty on that side.
	You think some truth to that?
	Oh yeah, there's kind of levels of vibration, and if you are vibrating, you know, with low-level emotions like lust or anger or greed or all of this kind of stuff, violence, you're not going to be able to move up to the, you know, the higher realms, where it vibrates much faster, it's much more beautiful, you have Many more, what I would call, I guess, supernatural powers, this sort of thing.
	I've had a lust thing.
	Oh yeah, you know this is something that the astral body is actually called the desire body.
	Really?
	And this is something you'll find out pretty quick if you start doing this sort of stuff regularly.
	Because this is where all your emotions come from, and your suppressions, and anything you've really not dealt with.
	And when you pop out of body, this is not at all unusual.
	People have become absolutely terrified.
	Yeah, oh, I get that.
	Or completely joyous, or consumed with lust, or the desire to eat food.
	It seems to me, if you pop out of your body and then get consumed with lust, you're in real trouble, because you need that body.
	Well, you know, it's very much like having an erotic dream, you might say, except you're awake.
	I get it, sure.
	It's actually a really wonderful experience, because you can live out pretty much any fantasy you want.
	You can create feasts of food.
	You can do just about anything that you can think of.
	The power of thought, on the other side, Amazing.
	You just think it, and it has a huge effect.
	Okay, the way you're talking about it leaves not much question in anybody's mind.
	You've been there.
	You know, I absolutely believe I have.
	I really do.
	I think that we actually all have out-of-body experiences, but the trick is really remembering them.
	And I'm not alone with this.
	This is what other out-of-body travelers say as well.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, yeah.
	Gee, I can't forget mine.
	It was so profound that I can't forget it.
	There are various tricks, aren't there, to getting out of your body.
	Let's go there.
	I have heard it said that, for example, feeling paralyzed and hearing a buzzing sound is very frequently something that precedes a possible OBE.
	Is it true?
	Right, that's called the vibratory state, and that means you're ready.
	You're actually feeling the higher vibration of the next dimension, which is what that is.
	So you're ready to go.
	It's basically just a process of relaxing until you get to that point.
	Okay, I've been there.
	I can't get past it.
	It's too scary.
	Yeah, there's a huge fear barrier, which you have to get over and just do it.
	The thing to remember is you can't be hurt when you're out of body.
	It's a non-physical state.
	I know this is what everybody who talks about OBE says, you can't be hurt.
	But, I don't know, let me ask you this, when you're out of body, is that, I hate to use this word, but I'm gonna, is that your soul that is separating from your body, in your opinion?
	You know, I don't know if it's quite like that, rather than it's just sort of an awakening to what's already there.
	Or kind of reaching out to the larger parts of yourself.
	To a certain extent, it feels like that.
	I mean, it feels like you are no longer in your body.
	If you get good at this, though, you can get to a point where you can do what's called bilocation.
	And I've had just a few tiny tastes of that.
	Do you think we have souls?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, then, when you leave your body, would it be your guess that it is probably your soul That's a leave-in.
	We have to be a leave-in right now.
	We'll be right back in a few minutes.
	So relax, enjoy yourself.
	That sounds pretty good, doesn't it?
	We're talking about an oasis for the soul, perhaps, with Preston Dennett right now.
	We're talking about out-of-body experiences.
	Preston, welcome back.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Okay, so I was talking about or asking about the soul, whether you thought the soul Left the body when you leave the body.
	Right.
	Well, some people do call it soul travel.
	You know, I really don't know.
	I'm kind of just telling you what I experienced.
	Oh, that's fair.
	So I can't really say that this is my soul, but I do feel like you have a separate body, a dream body, which has actually these amazing abilities.
	Such as flying flying alone is worth the price of admission for doing this thing.
	Oh, yes Oh flying I'm so into flying and and You know just sort of floating and flying around the buildings and the lakes and the trees in the forest We all kind of want to do that and how cool it must be and you you're claiming You have done it Right, walk through walls, visit distant locations.
	I think a lot of people have had flying dreams and this is a real close indicator that you're, you know, close to remembering what's going on at night.
	We're all having these experiences each night.
	How do you know whether you're ready to walk through a wall?
	Well, you try it.
	You know, it's a little disconcerting, I have to tell you, at first.
	You're like, alright, I'm gonna do it.
	Boom!
	I have to tell you, it took me over a year to keep my eyes open while doing it, and I wouldn't fight through telephone wires for a really long time, just because, you know, I was a little bit nervous about it.
	So you really, you swear on a stack of somethings that you've walked through walls?
	Absolutely.
	It's a remarkable experience.
	You can actually feel it.
	That is so cool.
	And brick is like a different texture from wood.
	Oh, wait.
	Describe it.
	You said you can feel it.
	If you walk through a wall, never having walked through one, tell me, what does it feel like?
	Well, you know, it's hard to describe, but you can feel the surface of the material, whether it's rough or smooth.
	Like brick is kind of grainy and Wow.
	Wow.
	I know words are hard for this.
	Let me try this.
	through your entire body, through your arms and legs.
	Wow.
	Which is different from wood and smaller, thinner substances
	like glass.
	I know words are hard for this.
	Let me try this.
	Is there any difference in the resistance of wood going through a wall and walking through a brick
	wall?
	Yeah.
	Wood's easier.
	Glass is easiest.
	Really?
	You kind of pop out.
	It's like going through a bubble.
	You feel a little tug, and boink!
	You're out.
	Oh, that's cool.
	There's been times I've walked into walls and boom, hit it.
	I really appreciate your being able to describe this.
	It's awesome.
	I've always wondered what it would feel like.
	And you're saying there is a difference.
	And you said with glass, it's kind of like a little pop, and you're through.
	Right.
	How cool is that?
	But you can reach a point, you know, where you don't actually feel any of this.
	If you're vibrating at a really high frequency.
	But normally when that person pops out, you know, they're still pretty low frequency and they're trying to orient themselves.
	And you try and walk through a wall and you might bounce off of it.
	Which has happened to me many times.
	You know, it took me a little bit to learn how to do it.
	Well, see, that's what I'm worried about.
	Failure at walking through walls probably has some consequences.
	Especially if you're really sure of yourself and you just go straight and right up to it.
	Boom!
	Yeah, there was one time I popped out of body.
	I'm like, yeah, I'm doing it.
	You know, I flew through my bedroom door, flew through the hallway door.
	I was into the hallway outside and I flew down the staircase of my condo building where I lived at the time.
	Yes.
	And landed into the second landing and sunk right up to my knees.
	And I'm like, oh, oh no, what do I do now?
	Flailing around and I lost consciousness and was pulled back into my body.
	See, that's part of the really scary part to me.
	It just really is.
	Well, let me alleviate at least some of your fears, because the truth is, what I've found is that it's very beneficial, and that the dangers are way overstated, and I found, in fact, it's got a lot more benefits than dangers.
	There's no real danger of getting locked out of your body.
	Or getting possessed, or going too far away, or getting lost, or anything like that.
	Because you have this silver cord, which pulls you back.
	In fact, the problem is staying out.
	That's truly the problem.
	And you get pulled back at the least, if you even think about your body.
	If you have, you know, a lot of fear, it will pull you back.
	A lot of emotion of any kind will pull you right back into your body.
	You know, I've got to give you this.
	Every person I've talked to on OBEs over the years has said roughly the same thing.
	You know, that resonates with me.
	I've never had a description of walking through things.
	That was really cool.
	But the part about getting yanked back if there's danger or if there's big emotion or something like that, most have said that.
	That's what causes me to kind of buy into all this, Preston, because everybody's saying the same thing.
	Oh yeah, you know, at first you're thinking, my God, you know, is this happening to me?
	This can't be real.
	I must be dreaming.
	And you get into this sort of quest.
	Beginners always want to start moving objects.
	I've tried that for years and I still can't do it.
	There are some people who claim to be able to do it.
	Right, not possible I guess, huh?
	I haven't been able to do it.
	But what I was able to do was go to a distant location and look at it and I'm like,
	wow, I didn't expect this to look like this.
	It was a location near my house which I'd never been to.
	Yes.
	And I'm like, all right, I'm going to go there and see if this is actually true
	because what it was was a cement river which is near my house at the time.
	And it had dirt banked up on the sides.
	Huge amounts of it.
	I'm like, there's no way.
	This is a cement river.
	There was plants growing and all this stuff.
	I'm like, I have to go see this.
	This is how I got proof that, you know, this is not, well, the first time I got proof that this is not just a dream.
	Because it's very, like, pretty disorienting when you're out of your body and you're walking around.
	You feel like a ghost.
	All right, so here's a question for you.
	If you are out of your body, And try to move something.
	Is it just your hand that goes right through it?
	Right.
	Or you might think you actually moved it.
	And, you know, because there's kind of weird duplicate energy forms, I guess, thought forms, that you're moving around, which do move, but it's not the actual physical object.
	So, no, I haven't been able to do it, and I was obsessed with it, because, I don't know, I felt like a ghost walking around.
	I was dealing with a lot of emotions, dealing with a lot of lust, a lot of gluttony.
	I would create these feasts with food and all this kind of thing.
	That brings up another topic, which I want to ask you about.
	You said you felt like a ghost.
	Is it possible, Preston, that some ghost reports are people doing OBEs?
	I would be surprised if it wasn't the case.
	Really?
	I think that there's a few verified cases, not nearly as many as I would think would be out there.
	But almost certainly that has to be the case.
	Because there are a lot of cases, in the literature at least, where people have gone over to other people's houses and appeared.
	Which I've tried to do, by the way.
	And I'm flying around in front of people, I'm like, here I am!
	Do you see me?
	Do you see me?
	Seriously?
	They don't see me.
	They cannot see me.
	But you can see what they're doing, right?
	Right.
	If not, can you hear them?
	Um, well, let me think about that.
	Uh, I don't think I've been able to do that.
	I'd have to, you know, I don't think so.
	There's been, you know, there's been a couple of cases.
	Yeah, I was once, you know, went to San Diego.
	I have a friend who lives down in San Diego.
	Thought, you know, this is a far way to go.
	I'll try that.
	Okay.
	And this is kind of what you do.
	You have a plan in mind.
	If you don't have your agenda ready, you're going to get distracted.
	You're going to lose consciousness.
	You have to really focus.
	It's a type of consciousness.
	You're saying you can plan this like you would a trip.
	Exactly.
	Wow!
	You really hesitated when I asked you about whether you could hear people.
	That's interesting.
	You would think the auditory aspect of it would either be shockingly there or even more shockingly missing.
	Well, you know, when you go to the other side, so to speak, it's telepathic.
	You do hear music and things like that, but when people are talking, you're hearing them in your mind.
	Okay.
	That says it all.
	Do you always hear them in your mind, or sort of just if you want to?
	Usually.
	Not always.
	No, I once popped out.
	This is something I want to address.
	I said, I want to meet an enlightened master, someone who's made it.
	Right.
	This beautiful woman appeared on my balcony, just a beautiful blonde woman.
	She says, keep your eyes open.
	And she grabbed my arm and pulled me up.
	Of course, I closed my eyes.
	And I instantly opened them.
	And she's depositing me into this field.
	And there's this guy sitting on a chair who I'm presuming is the enlightened master.
	And he gives out this one weird sentence, which is what they do, these kind of cones or poems or something, little riddles.
	It's really interesting what he says.
	He says, when you do something, do it absolutely.
	And he said it out loud.
	He was punctuating each word.
	So it was an odd sentence for sure, which has hidden meaning to it, which I could talk about.
	Sure.
	The whole thing is just so astounding to me.
	How many times, Preston, have you done this?
	I mean, is it so many you can't count?
	Well, I probably could count it, but it's got to be in the thousands there, consciously.
	I think, again, that's a trick question.
	Yeah, I don't mean it to be.
	I don't mean it to be.
	I really don't.
	I'm so curious about this.
	And, of course, people are going to come forward and they're going to say, I want to do this so badly.
	How do I do it?
	Right.
	Well, you know, for one thing, There's no real qualifications.
	All you need is the desire and the time to do it.
	You need to be open-minded enough to do it.
	Put in the discipline.
	I don't think there's any link to physical health because some people who are really good at this have ill health and others are very healthy.
	There's no real dangers, as I was talking about earlier, and the only real obstacles, I think, are that people are skeptical about it or they're scared.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	I'm going to pin you to the wall here.
	You know, you said there's no real danger and I've had other people say that to me too.
	So here's the question that I need an answer to.
	How do you know that some people who have left their body on this excursion into Joyville, wherever it is you're going, didn't have the cord snap and We now regard those people who left us in such a way as having died in their sleep.
	I mean... Right.
	I can definitely speak to that.
	There is one case, supposedly, where something like that presumably did happen, but it was only one.
	It's kind of what I would call an outlier.
	And one person did tell me that they had a similar experience.
	A friend of mine says it only takes one white crow to prove there's white crows.
	These are statistically insignificant, though.
	When you look at the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cases of people who are doing this, there are just very small residue.
	Flying is safer, I know.
	Yeah, and anyone can do it.
	It's absolutely easy to do.
	Alright, let's go back to this one that you know of, this outlier, you called it.
	Right, you know, all I can tell you about the case is supposedly that this lady was proficient at doing out-of-body experiences and one day died at a young age.
	And there was no real link that they could make, you know, specifically that she was out-of-body practicing at the time she was doing it.
	But it's one case we have of people who are really good at this and are doing it regularly, and they die at a young age mysteriously.
	Most of the people experience actually the opposite.
	I've got 20 cases of people who got healed of chronic illness, or healed of cancer, or healed of all kinds of illnesses, colds, healed of hip injuries.
	Just from being out of their bodies?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, there's these energies on the other side.
	This is where your perfect body is.
	The nostril body is the superior body.
	It doesn't age, and your physical body is kind of modeled after it.
	So you can actually reach these healing places and heal yourself of physical illness.
	Now see, that's making quite a claim.
	Yeah, I've got 20 cases.
	You know, they're anecdotal, but one really good one is Bruce Moon.
	He cured himself of sarcoidosis, which, you know, his case was a really bad one and it's often fatal.
	He was getting worse and worse and was able to go out of body and work on this wound.
	Better than Obamacare, huh?
	I recently, you know, tried to go to one of these healing temples and was successful.
	I couldn't believe it.
	I was so excited.
	You're saying there are temples on the other side where you can go to be healed?
	Right.
	I'd read about him several times.
	You hear different kind of explanations and descriptions, I would say.
	And I'm like, well, this is something I want to do.
	I'm going to put this on my list.
	And I did it.
	I popped out of body and I made the command, sort of made the intent known.
	And at that point, you're pulled off through the other side or up into the sky.
	I was 50 feet up above my house.
	And then, boom, you go through this weird barrier, I guess you would call it, and you're on the other side.
	Wow.
	It's what I would call the heavenly realms.
	Honestly, I'm not a very religious man, but this is what it feels like.
	I'm not overly religious either, Preston, so I'm with you there.
	I have hopes, but I have no strong faith, and I wish I did.
	I wish I did, and it might well be that seeing what you're describing would absolutely do the trick for me.
	Bring me to the healing temple.
	Hey, I've got a bad back.
	Exactly what you do.
	Anyone can do this.
	You just meditate on this subject as you go to sleep.
	There's various ways of reaching the other side, and you don't have to go through all the weird exit sensations and things like this.
	I'm going to say about half of the out-of-body experiences I have I just wake up on the other side.
	You're fully awake, by the way.
	Colors are much more vivid.
	It's the real reality.
	This is a pale comparison.
	If I can just get past the fear.
	I mean, it really is scary, Preston, because you do go through that thing where there's a humming sound, and you may go through feeling paralyzed.
	These are frightening things to happen to a person before you get to something better.
	They really are scary.
	Oh yeah, and it can get very loud.
	It can feel like an electric shock, and feel like you're standing next to a jet engine.
	Ah, oh see.
	That's what I mean.
	But you know, that's as bad as it gets, and then pop you're out, and boy is it worth it.
	There's just so many things you can do.
	You can learn about your past lives, for instance.
	You can Visit deceased loved ones.
	Slow up, slow up.
	Past lives, past lives.
	My goodness, Preston.
	So you believe in reincarnation?
	Well, you know, I think I'm leaning towards it for sure, because I have some weird memories flowing through my head, which I can't pinpoint to this life.
	And this has kind of always been that way for me.
	But really, when I started going out of body, I'm like, all right, let's see a past life.
	And you did?
	I was able to do it several times.
	May I inquire what you learned of yourself?
	I learned that a lot of them.
	One life was, you know, as a Native American.
	It's really interesting because often you're taken to the most traumatic or emotional incident of a lifetime, which is often the death scene.
	This was one where it wasn't.
	It was sort of the What would you call it?
	Come of Awakening, where a 17-year-old turns into a man type of ceremony?
	I would definitely not want to go to my death scene.
	Yeah, it's scary.
	Let me tell you, I pulled out from a couple of them.
	I'm like, no, no, I'm not doing this.
	You learn a lot about yourself.
	I learned a lot about, you know, My obsessions with ships, for instance.
	Ships?
	Yeah, I've had a lot of lifetimes where I was in the Navy, or sailing, or a pirate even.
	Wow.
	A lot of lifetimes where I was a monk, which I found kind of interesting because I'm really not religious, but I'm kind of really into the same sort of thing, if you think about it.
	You know, you're like a travel agent for the other side.
	Oh, it's amazing.
	Ask people enough to just try this.
	You know, if you still have fear, here's one really good way of doing it.
	You think of someone you love who's already on the other side.
	And you can create a love bridge.
	And pretty much everyone has at least one person they know who's passed away.
	And what you do is you just concentrate on that person that night and say, you know, I want to see you.
	I want you to take me on a tour to the other side.
	I want to see how it's going.
	Let's connect.
	And, uh, it will happen if you, you know, you might take a couple of meditations, but often it'll happen on the first night, if you're really into it.
	Well, I know a lot of people who, um, have medical problems, take off to Bangkok in Thailand, get them taken care of, come home with extra money, that's one kind of travel for your health, and you're talking about an entirely different one.
	Which is just so much harder for me, I can never get past that buzz.
	Just never get past him.
	Well, this is, of course, Midnight in the Desert.
	Mark Bell.
	I'm going to be doing a video on the most popular music on YouTube.
	Now, here's Art.
	Here I am.
	Preston Dennett is my guest, and I'm so glad to have him.
	We're discussing out-of-body experiences, OBEs.
	I've interviewed, over the years, many, many people about this topic, and Preston, with some exceptions, is telling me exactly what they've told me.
	I believe that this is the real thing.
	You really can do it, folks.
	I know it's scary, and I'm trying to talk you into something that I'm scared to death of myself, so that's probably uncool, but it really is the real thing.
	You just have to be able to get past this buzzing, get past this perhaps being paralyzed a little bit, And somehow launch yourself.
	And I guess it's like, Preston, like a learning experience.
	Once you've been out, second time is easier, third time easier, that kind of thing?
	Yeah, I would say that's true.
	Though there are still times, you know, I'll be like lying down, I'll just go to bed and suddenly I feel the vibrations.
	I'm like, whoa, whoa, I'm still awake!
	And then I fly out, I'm like, whoa, you know.
	That's happened a couple of times.
	I do understand.
	Let's just one last time go back to the dangers, which there are no dangers except for that outlier, which is worrying me a little.
	So, generally, any strong emotion, any fear, fear is a strong emotion, any, I don't know, anything will yank you back into your body and you will be awake immediately, is that correct?
	Right.
	And, you know, again, the problem is staying out.
	You know, it's not that there aren't any dangers.
	You can pop out and, like, up, there's hostile ghosts.
	Oh, now, see?
	Now, why did you tell me that?
	Hostile ghosts?
	Well, I want to be honest.
	Okay, well, you know, thank you.
	Which has happened to me, you know, a couple of times.
	But, uh, I just ran back to my body, basically.
	And, uh, that happens automatically.
	It's like, oh no, I'm going back.
	Well...
	Yeah, it was scary.
	It definitely was.
	Describe that one, if you would, please.
	Hostile ghosts.
	I'm sorry, I need to get away.
	I've got so many questions in my brain, and one is this.
	It seems to me that the time this occurs is in that, I don't know, weird little time between consciousness and sleep.
	There's this little weird gray area, right?
	Well, that's the doorway to the, you know, getting out of body.
	There you have it.
	A sort of hypnagogic state.
	Right.
	Which is where the magic is.
	You know, that's where it happens.
	The crack between the worlds.
	Boy, it's such a weird time, isn't it?
	Between when you're awake and when you're asleep.
	And I can tell when it's coming because I start having weird thoughts.
	Really, just off the wall, weird thoughts about weird things.
	And then I'm asleep.
	Right, I've tracked it very carefully.
	Suddenly your reasoning goes right out the window.
	Oh yeah.
	And you're just imagining things and you're thinking they're real and it becomes very kind of almost chaotic.
	So there's no dangers except of course dying because you didn't get snapped back and or manifesting before hostile ghosts.
	Right.
	Well, there was a time I would say I popped out of body.
	I'm like, all right, I'm going to go.
	And I'm going to be totally honest with you.
	Usually when I go to the other side, it sort of happens automatically.
	I do it by just flying real fast and saying, this is where I want to go.
	Right.
	And you pop out in these beautiful heavenly realms, or sometimes farther where it's even more amazing.
	But sometimes, you know, you are kind of in between, and there's what you call a darker place, sort of blackness, or the lower realms.
	And I've visited these as well, to a certain extent.
	Have you ever intentionally gone to those darker places?
	Yeah, and it was not nice.
	You know, people were pushing and shoving, and you try and pull them out of this place, and they can't hear you, and it's very uncomfortable, to say the least.
	But once I was flying out, you know, and I felt some weird little creature grab my ankle.
	Well, this does not feel human.
	You know, let me tell you something.
	You have just scared away 70%, 80% of the people who were in your camp ready to try it.
	Women don't like to think about hostile things grabbing their ankles.
	They don't like it at all, I can tell you.
	I know how it sounds, and it did creep me out a little bit.
	I reached down and I felt its little fingers.
	Oh.
	And I peeled them off.
	So, in other words, you can, even though you can't move objects out of body, you can move other, oh, dare I say it, other out-of-body entities.
	Yes.
	It feels real, in fact.
	There's not an experience on Earth that you can't duplicate, and it feels, if not real, even more real.
	So, yeah, you can interact with it.
	It's not the physical environment, an environment that's exactly like it.
	I mean, really, Preston, what is one of the scariest things you ever see in a movie?
	It's some lady standing there with this evil, probably detached hand headed toward her ankle, and everybody screams.
	So, that's a rough one to get past.
	Yeah, well, you know, I'm telling you the benefits of this are so much better.
	Yeah, but as a travel agent, you might as well pull your shingle off your door.
	Talking about ankles.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, that was one experience.
	And another, I'll be honest, which is unpleasant.
	I flew out of my house and there was three men there who were clearly hostile and wanted to hurt me.
	Not the three wise men.
	No, these were not wise men.
	These were murderers.
	These were thieves.
	These were... and worse.
	I mean, these people were vile.
	Lovely.
	Lovely.
	So, I'm like, alright, you know, I'm leaving.
	Probably all three of them products of having died violently and... God, that was an interesting story, wasn't it?
	Right.
	Of all places, Iceland.
	It certainly touched a nerve, you know, because there's, as I said, a lot of ghost problems out there.
	In fact, it's...
	A person does this astral travel, at some point you're going to be called on to save a lost soul.
	I'm like, hey, that hasn't happened to me.
	So I did it.
	I did it intentionally.
	And yeah, it was amazing.
	I found this lost... I was taken, actually, to this girl who had apparently suffocated under her house.
	I had the impression that she was murdered, but I couldn't say how.
	But she was scared.
	I'm just terrified.
	And I'm like, you know, it's okay.
	It's okay.
	Come with me.
	And she wouldn't.
	I'm like, you know, your mommy wants to see you.
	Right.
	And that sort of, you know, got her.
	She's like, yeah, really?
	And I'm like, yeah, you know, I'll take you to your mommy.
	And I'm just, you know, winging it.
	I didn't know what to say.
	She was a poor little girl.
	I felt terrible.
	That's what every bad guy going after a poor little girl says.
	I'm going to take you to your mommy.
	Yeah, well, somehow I was able to convince her into the poor thing.
	She took my hand.
	I could feel it.
	And I've read a lot about this, that at some point they disappear and you want to pay very close attention.
	So I had her hand and I was looking at her.
	She was just a little girl with blonde hair, you know, a little sundress.
	Yes.
	Cute little girl.
	And I'm like, let's go see your mommy.
	And I flew off to what I would call the heavenly realms.
	And boom, you know, no sooner was I kind of right through that barrier, And into this pastoral place where she was gone.
	See, you had me during the first hour.
	You had me cold.
	I was ready to try it again.
	And now you've lost me.
	Pastoral place where she was gone.
	See, you had me during the first hour.
	You had me cold.
	I was ready to try it again.
	And now you've lost me.
	I'm scared again.
	What do you think?
	We'll come back to OBEs in a second.
	What do you think causes people to become stuck here?
	Ghosts?
	I think there's a huge number of reasons.
	And the number one being they're skeptical of life after death to such a point that they don't even consider the possibility that they're dead.
	That's a huge problem.
	That the dead just don't know they're dead.
	They don't know it.
	They honestly do not.
	You know, it seems hard for me to believe, but this is a real problem.
	And as well, you know, there's that whole category of people who are addicted to whether it's alcohol, drugs, or sex, or, you know, even their home.
	Right.
	They don't want to leave their house because they love it.
	They know they're dead and they don't care.
	Another reason is guilt.
	People feel so guilty that they're afraid that they're going to be judged by God if they go to the other side.
	Well, I have heard that people do get attached to houses, that ghosts get attached to houses, and I'll be honest, I'm attached to my house.
	Yeah, I love my little house.
	I don't want to leave it.
	I mean, it is part of a human's comfort level, right?
	In life, your house is your castle, whatever you want to call it, your comfort place.
	But here's the thing, Art.
	You have one on the other side.
	You can create one, is what I'm saying.
	And it's awesome because you can build things any way you want.
	It's just your thought power.
	You know, once you get good at this and you go up, what I would say, you know, to the next dimension beyond, or a dimension beyond the pastoral realms, which is, you know, it gets really crazy up in the higher realms because you can do all these things that You know, I wanted to talk to you about this tonight because, well, because I wanted to talk about it, but I had no idea that you were this into it, this experienced with it.
	How long have you been doing this, Preston?
	Did you begin young, or what?
	I began pretty young, actually.
	You know, and this is now my favorite subject, by the way.
	I love this stuff.
	It has transformed my life to such a degree that I... I hear it.
	Yeah, I can hear it in your voice.
	Oh, it's so much fun.
	So you were doing this?
	Well, my mom died in 1984.
	I was 19 years old and so it was a real shock.
	I think our family was very skeptical of this kind of thing.
	I know they were.
	Certainly I was.
	I didn't believe in ghosts or life after death or anything paranormal.
	And, uh, so this was a really difficult thing to deal with, obviously.
	Sure.
	Um, I saw her ghost.
	I'm thinking, all right, you know, I'm really flipped my lid.
	I'm not going to tell anyone this.
	I'll tell you that.
	Um, right.
	I, I, I get that too.
	Um, if you were to describe all this, I think in everyday life, I mean, you and I are on a program right now that talks about this kind of thing, but you know, if this was unraveling to a stranger in a bar, it'd be a problem.
	Right.
	Probably not work out real well for you.
	No, I wasn't happy about it, but I started having dreams about her that were very powerful, and I just had... I was convinced she was visiting me, even though I knew it was impossible, so it was very confusing.
	I picked up some books on dreams, which led to lucid dreaming.
	Okay, see, that causes me to ask a very important question.
	How do you know, Preston, that these are not just Either really good or, in some cases, really bad dreams.
	Well, there's two ways.
	The first way is when you pop out and you turn and you look at your body, you know.
	You can feel it.
	It's a kind of revelatory experience, I guess you might say.
	I do agree with that.
	If you look at your own body, if you pop out and you look at your own body, that's big.
	No question about it.
	That doesn't seem like a dream.
	I don't think I've ever seen My own body in a dream.
	I know I haven't.
	It looks really weird when you do it, I have to tell you.
	Whoa.
	And, you know, and it's very convincing.
	Absolutely, you know, unlike, I mean, it's very, you're awake.
	That's, I guess what I'm trying to say.
	It's, you know how when you know you're awake, you know you're awake?
	Yeah, sure.
	It's like that.
	So you're like, all right.
	There's no doubt.
	Actually, you're very convincing.
	It's the tone of your voice and the enthusiasm in your voice.
	You just know what he's saying is the real thing, right?
	Midnight in the desert.
	Raging in the night.
	I'm Art Bell.
	I hear the drums echoing tonight, and she hears only whispers of some quiet conversation.
	She's coming in twelve-thirty flight, the moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide her toward salvation.
	I stopped to know that along the way Hoping to find some old forgotten words
	I stopped to know that along the way I stopped to know that along the way
	Hoping to find some old forgotten words I stopped to know that along the way
	You pop out of your body.
	You pop out on the other side, and there's the Screaming Lady and a hundred of her clones.
	To initiate a dialogue sequence with Art Bell, please coordinate your phalanges and call 1952-225-5278.
	That's 1952.
	Call Art.
	The Screaming Lady.
	All right.
	Preston Dennett is my guest, and we're talking about a lot of things.
	We're talking about OBEs, mainly, and they are amazing.
	Absolutely amazing.
	And I'm sure that all of you can also hear it in his voice.
	This is real, if you've got the guts.
	And if you do, after hearing all of the, well, call it the downside, or the possible dangers, that actually, you know, as a point here in the interview, well, it does say, what are the dangers?
	you did say there are no dangers earlier, right?
	Right.
	You know, well, it depends what your definition of danger is.
	I don't think there's any danger of death or, you know, certain things that people really fear.
	Well, OK, let's try and define danger.
	Danger might be hand grabbing ankle.
	Definitely danger.
	Danger might be three murderers staring at you as you pop out.
	Definite danger.
	Hand grabbing ankle.
	Danger might be three murderers staring at you as you pop out.
	Definite danger.
	Danger might be the line breaks and you can't get back to your body, as in somebody died in their sleep.
	I mean, I can't get past that one, Preston.
	A lot of people die in their sleep, and how is it that we can know that they are not victims of a snapped cord?
	Well, we can't.
	I don't know.
	All I can tell you is that the evidence of people who are doing this regularly are showing a lot of benefits.
	And the dangers of getting possessed or getting locked out or all of this is way overblown.
	I'm not seeing it.
	Well, you know, I will give you this.
	It seems to me that Uh, that most people have a positive experience.
	I just always meditated on that.
	People do die in their sleep and know the cord never snaps.
	Well, not for those who live.
	Excuse me.
	So mostly it's a good deal, folks.
	Give it a try.
	And so now describe, if you would, Preston, how it actually is done.
	When you get to that magic little place and you feel yourself slipping towards sleep, and instead of sleeping, you want to leave your body, what's the key?
	Right.
	Well, the way to slip to that magical place is you relax to the point where you start to feel one of several sensations.
	This could be numbness, this could be lightness, or even a feeling of heaviness.
	You want to get to that place where you're not, you don't even know where your arms and legs are.
	You're lying there in bed like, hmm, where are my arms and legs?
	You want to get really relaxed, I mean profoundly relaxed.
	Sometimes it takes me, you know, 20 minutes.
	And if you start feeling this vibration, this is excellent news.
	And yes, it can get very loud.
	In fact, you can hear all kinds of noises.
	Even, you know, swearing and growling.
	Furniture moving.
	Engine noises.
	People's voices.
	You're hearing all this in this middle period?
	This can happen.
	It doesn't happen to most people.
	Normally they just feel a vibration.
	You know, hear a noise.
	And then you pop out.
	And it's very Uh, disorienting, because you have not done this before, and it's difficult to see.
	See, that's why I think a lot of people pop out and then pop back in immediately, because they have the you-know-what scared out of them.
	That's what I did.
	Yeah, I'm like, all right, this is gonna be fun.
	I'm gonna do the exercises.
	And I did the exercises.
	I started to have, like, lucid dreams.
	One day, I popped out.
	I'm like, oh, this is not good news.
	I've just died.
	What have I done?
	I bet a lot of people think that.
	And I looked at my body, and I'm like, well, this is awful.
	I'm like, oh, this is not good news.
	I've just died.
	What have I done?
	I bet a lot of people think that.
	And I looked at my body, and I'm like, well, this is awful.
	I feel really bad.
	And I dived back into it, and I woke up instantly, and I thought, oh my god, I just did it.
	And I was super excited.
	Without danger, without apparent danger in that.
	So you've done this so many times that You had these occasional, very occasional, what would you say, 1% negative?
	Yeah, that sounds about right.
	Maybe even a little less.
	There was one time I did come up to this giant wall, and I couldn't break through it.
	And finally I was able to break through it.
	So that was a little disconcerting, but I just broke through it.
	Yeah, you're supposed to be able to go through anything, sort of.
	Yeah, this is a barrier between the dimensions.
	Alright, and you also say, or you pose a question about the deceased.
	You're suggesting that you can visit with those who have passed.
	Right.
	That says so much.
	I mean, if you can do that, then my goodness, Preston, you really are in the place where the light is, in the place where you'll ultimately go.
	Otherwise, how can you see those who have passed?
	Or, I have to tell you, the first time I went doing this, because I wanted to see my mother, you know, the first time I actually went awake and did this in Tsar was the most amazing reunion I have ever had with anybody.
	You know, now I've done this several times.
	I've known a number of people who have died, and pretty much every time I'll go and visit them.
	Wow.
	But a boy with her... So you met your mom?
	Oh, man, I was on my knees.
	She was so young.
	She looked so young.
	I couldn't believe it.
	You know, I lost most of my hair, but it all came flowing back.
	I have full hair back there.
	All my wrinkles disappear.
	On the other side?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's great.
	It looks good right away.
	Get your hair back?
	It's amazing.
	My mom looks amazing.
	I'm like, Mom!
	And, you know, just the reunion was unbelievable.
	So you recognized her as mom, even though she was younger and more vibrant?
	Wow.
	In fact, when you're out of body, sometimes there's these things called projections.
	You're making these things around you, your thoughts.
	And you're like, is this even a real person?
	You have to be a little bit careful.
	There's a very good point.
	Do you think, Preston, it's possible that the living human mind is creating these Do you think, Preston, it's possible that the living human mind is creating these, uh, what's the right word for it?
	Star Trek had a word for it, I think.
	Materializations?
	No.
	These worlds, I mean, I guess the question is, is it possible it's just your own human mind In some sort of mode, it's created a hologram.
	Well, to a certain extent, yes.
	Because the universe is composed of our thoughts.
	And that's what it comes down to.
	This simple world is actually a projection.
	Right.
	You have thoughts of your mom, right?
	When she was young?
	Or not?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Proof that this isn't coming from a living mind, though, I think is pretty extensive.
	We have a lot of people visiting these locations on the other side, and they're describing the same type of thing.
	The people are getting information that they couldn't have gotten any other way, you know, about the deceased and things like this.
	Okay, that's an interesting question.
	And proof?
	In other words, how many times has somebody gone to the other side and come back with, you know, some piece of information that amounts to proof because it could not have been known in any other way?
	Yeah, it happened to me.
	I couldn't believe it.
	I popped out and I'm on the other side walking around and I'm like, this is the right place.
	This is where I usually go to meet people who have died.
	It's very bright.
	And there was my friend Rex.
	I'm like, Rex?
	What in God's name are you doing here?
	He was alive.
	He's looking great.
	Normally he's in pretty bad health.
	Hunched over, has stomach problems, but by no means super severe to the point of death or anything like this.
	And you're saying he was, at that time, still among the living?
	Well, I came back to my body, and I'm like, oh my God, do I call him?
	I should call him.
	He was actually my father's friend.
	I don't know him that well.
	I'm like, well, I don't really know him.
	Well, he called, or his family called us.
	He had had a stroke, and he was not in response.
	He was in a coma there for a while.
	He eventually didn't recover.
	Wow, he looked great there on the other side, I have to tell you.
	How soon after you came back did he have that stroke?
	Well, he had already had the stroke.
	Already?
	Yeah, but I did not know it.
	So he was sort of a little bit here and a little bit there, in a way.
	I think that's what it was, absolutely.
	It was the place where I always see these people who have passed on, usually.
	I had a friend who died of alcoholism.
	And a very close friend, by the way, it was tragic.
	And I'm like, well, I don't know how this is going to go.
	And I'm like, but I'm going to try.
	And about a couple of weeks after he died, I gave him a little bit of time.
	I popped out.
	It kind of happened naturally.
	And I found myself in this very dark place, one of the much lower realms.
	And he was not a happy man.
	He did not look well, and he told me, I'm not ready.
	He kept saying, I'm not ready.
	I could not do anything for him.
	So that was terrible.
	I came back not feeling well.
	I'm like, oh no, I can't tell anyone this, his family or anyone.
	You should have said something to him about the clinic on the other side.
	Right?
	Well, you know, I prayed for him, is what I did, and I went back, you know, I sent him, I guess, what you call love energy.
	Okay, all of these experiences you've had on the other side, Preston, was there ever a sign of what, you know, we all think of as God or a god?
	Oh, yeah.
	I think the higher you go, it starts to permeate the atmosphere.
	It starts to glow and sparkle in a way that you're like, all right, this is like the source.
	I went to the light.
	I'm like, all right, I want to try the light.
	I did that.
	I basked in it.
	I'm like, wow, this is lovely.
	But it was kind of like a sauna.
	It's beautiful.
	Lots of love.
	It was great.
	Okay.
	But I didn't stay there.
	Right.
	If you did, I doubt I'd be interviewing you right now.
	Preston Dennett is my guest.
	This, of course, is Midnight in the Desert.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Stay right where you are.
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	She says it certainly is very spooky.
	The image is so clear.
	Sometimes you can see these things in photos.
	It's an image of something, but you're almost willing it to be something else.
	But you look at it, and it's clearly a face, and it does look like Michael Jackson.
	A physicist is building a time machine to reconnect with his dead father.
	His scientific papers were published years ago, filled with equations wrought by the energies of a younger man.
	But at 69, theoretical physicist Ron Mallett still goes to work every day to build a time machine.
	Boyd Mallett died when Ron was 10.
	He vowed as a boy to sail back through time in a device to warn the older Mallet of the heart attack that would take his life on the night of his 11th wedding anniversary.
	A University of Connecticut research professor who for years taught in the classroom, Mallet immersed himself in the mysteries of time and space, crafting equations derived from the work of Albert Einstein.
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	The equation near the beginning of the story was published in 2000 in the first of Mallet's two breakthrough scientific papers.
	It begins with the Greek letter Omega and describes how a neutron can be moved or dragged because the space it occupies is being twisted by laser light.
	Einstein connected space and time.
	If space can be twisted, so can time.
	Twisted and bent back onto itself to form loops.
	No longer linear, time becomes a circular highway that can be traveled in both directions, to the past and future.
	He says, think of a cup of coffee.
	The coffee represents empty space.
	The spoon is the laser stirring that space.
	Drop a coffee bean, a neutron, into the cup, and it swirls and swirls in the coffee vortex, pulled around by a process known to scientists as frame dragging.
	Enough intense swirling, space twists and time twists and loops back onto itself.
	Will Mallet finally succeed in this lifelong dream of building a time machine?
	Only time will tell.
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	And I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder.
	One of the four beasts saying, come and see.
	And I saw.
	and behold a white horse.
	There's a man going around taking names.
	And he decides who to free and who to blame.
	Everybody won't be treated all the same.
	There'll be a golden ladder reaching down when the man comes around.
	The hairs on your arm will stand up at the terror in each sip and in each sip.
	Will you partake of that last offered cup Or disappear into the potter's ground.
	When the man who comes around.
	To call us from outside the US and Canada only, use Skype with a headset mic on a computer and call MITD55.
	That's MITD55.
	Okay.
	It's time for the talk.
	I'm gonna open the lines because Tristan Dennett is so fascinating, I just, I know that some of you have questions.
	So, here's the talk.
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	And the way you get ready is to dial MITD 51.
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	You can hit that anytime and call.
	It's that easy.
	It really is that easy.
	Especially on a smartphone.
	Or, of course, a computer.
	And if you're on a computer, you need a headset.
	Now, if you're outside of North America, anywhere else in the world, worldwide, it's MITD 55.
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	Then, one more thing.
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	You can call that and get on the air.
	But you've got to let it ring until it's answered.
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	So the public number you can call is area code 952 225-5278.
	Let me give that again.
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	All that said, Preston, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Okay, you can imagine, a lot of people have questions about this kind of thing.
	So, we're going to go to some of them, if it's okay with you.
	Oh yeah, bring them on.
	Oh, trust me, they'll come.
	Ann, hello there on Skype.
	You're on the air.
	Ann, Oh, Ann, this is Dino.
	Well, Dino, it says Ann there, A-N-N-E.
	What am I supposed to do?
	I know, it must be my wife's name.
	How you doing, Art?
	Just fine, just fine.
	Yeah, hey, I'm calling from the Facebook group, Talking Midnight in the Desert with Art Bell.
	Really?
	Okay.
	Shut up.
	Yeah, hey.
	Yeah, interesting guest you got going here.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's an interesting topic, and it's real.
	I've interviewed so many people about this, and they sort of say the same thing.
	Now, Preston gave me more of the, you know, the possible negative side than others have.
	Other than that, though, you know, the process, how it's done, all that seems the same, so.
	Yeah, I mean, I've tried many years to get to that point.
	Still can't get there.
	I don't know if he has any, like, You know, any help for us who can't get to that point.
	Right.
	Because I've been trying.
	I've been trying.
	Can't get there though.
	Preston?
	Right.
	Well, you know, there are different ways to approach it.
	You can approach this during the day.
	There's a simple exercise you can do that has a really powerful effect.
	And that's to ask yourself if you are out of body right now.
	And I know how it sounds because you know you're not.
	But if you do this, you know, as much as you possibly can, but at least a couple of times a day, preferably, you know, every hour, you will do this at night.
	And you will have the most profound experience, because suddenly you're going to ask yourself this question, and you're going to find out that you are, in fact, out of body.
	But you have to do what's called reality testing.
	And to do reality testing, well, there's various ways, you know, to find out if you're out of body or not.
	You can try throwing something.
	If it levitates, you're out of body.
	Pushing your finger through your desk or a wall.
	That could be painful if, you know, if you fail.
	Just lightly press and it'll be a sound and you'll be at work there typing or whatever you do.
	See for example right now.
	Ow!
	Yeah, my finger ain't going through at all.
	No, but um... I won't keep trying, that's for sure.
	Whenever you think of it, you know, a couple times a day, and you'll do this at night, and your finger's gonna go through that desk, and you're gonna be like, oh my god, I'm out of body!
	I would be.
	Already out of body.
	So during the day, enlighten me, I get the between consciousness and sleep part, but during the day, how do you do this?
	Well, this is something you want to do all day long.
	You know, when you wake up, you know, during breakfast, at work, when you come home, ask yourself, am I dreaming right now?
	Could this possibly be a dream?
	Could I be out of body?
	And you look around.
	If you see any anomalies, this is what's called a cue, and pretty much every dream will have one.
	Something that's not quite matching up with reality, as you know it.
	This is how you get loose?
	Yeah, um, I will try this out.
	I hope I don't hurt my finger.
	But, um, I love the show, Art.
	Love the show.
	Love that you're back.
	And, uh, Dino giving you a shout out there.
	Love ya.
	I love being here.
	Thank you very much.
	And we've got an international caller, I believe, on the line.
	Hello?
	Hello there.
	Are you there?
	Going once.
	Come on, I know you're there.
	Brandon, Brandon, is that right?
	Brandon, are you there?
	No, I guess Brandon's not going to say anything.
	Okay, no problem.
	We can move on.
	And we've got a million calls here, so not sure where to go.
	Let's go to the phones and say, hello there, you are on Midnight.
	Hello?
	You are?
	Yes.
	Yeah, hi, this is Gary on Phoenix.
	some Roswell's over there. Thank you. Yeah, this is one of my favorite subjects. I was back in,
	I've had like four out-of-body experiences. The first one was back in 1996 or 97
	and I was having that sleep paralysis thing with the vibration and I was always terrified. It
	happened periodically throughout my life and then I actually heard your program and I forget who you
	had on there but he was saying about directing your energy away from your body.
	Yes, yes.
	Yeah, and so I did it, and it wasn't very successful, but I ended up right by the doorknob.
	It was like I was trying to go out the front door, but I was hovering right out, right above the doorknob, and then Another time I got freaked out, I got out of my body and I went down to the ground and so I was looking up and I could see my hand off the edge of my bed and it freaked me out and I just popped back in my body.
	Right, so anything that freaks you out, I guess, brings you back, according to Preston.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Right, that's absolutely what happens.
	There's all different kinds of ways of getting out of your body.
	The best way is to do visualizations of some kind.
	Usually something involving movement, like being on a swing set maybe, or the bow of a boat going up and down, or pretending that you're running down a pathway.
	There's various things like this, spinning in a circle.
	All of these will spin you right out of your body.
	It's a very easy way to do it.
	Okay.
	Those are actually pretty good tips.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you very much.
	And here is Triana, I think.
	You never know whose name is on the Skype.
	It could be somebody else.
	But it says Triana.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Trina in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
	Trina.
	Okay.
	You're really loud, Trina.
	So just back away a little bit.
	Okay.
	Is that better?
	It is so much better.
	Yes.
	That's great.
	Roswells.
	Thank you.
	I just wanted to call in and make a comment.
	I got a little bit spooked a few minutes ago.
	Your guest was talking about something reaching out and grabbing his leg.
	I knew it.
	I knew it.
	See, I knew that.
	Yeah.
	I'm beginning to wonder if your guest was there in my experience because I experienced that exact same thing.
	Oh, Preston, did you grab her ankle?
	The funny thing about it is, um, I was in a room where there were lots of, like, little baby grey hands.
	I covered the room.
	The entire room was covered with these little hands.
	But one huge grey hand came out from the middle and grabbed my leg.
	But I was paralyzed.
	So I couldn't get away from it.
	And it was the scariest thing I have ever experienced in my life.
	Did it snap you back to your body?
	It did.
	It did.
	I did wake up, but I could still feel the hand on my leg.
	That was the scariest part about it.
	Preston, something like that could scare you so much that you would never, ever try it again.
	Yes?
	Yeah, that's true, I think, but if you read the books about it, you'll see that there's some amazing things that this can do for you, and there are ways to protect yourself.
	You can do white light meditations, and as you get good at this, this sort of thing is not a problem at all.
	You automatically pop out into the very high realms.
	Giant greyhands, they're a problem for me, and obviously for Deanna.
	Deanna, are you going to try it again, hon, or are you finished?
	No, no, no.
	Well, see, actually I didn't try it the first time.
	It just happened to me.
	I just went to that weird place and it was like, I don't know, it wasn't a dream.
	It was that state that you talk about where you're in between being asleep and being awake.
	I wasn't trying to do it, it just happened.
	But I would certainly never try it now that that has happened to me.
	So even after all the encouraging things, the very encouraging things that Preston has said about this, it's a big no?
	As of right now, it is a big no.
	If I were to have a positive experience without trying it, then I may go forward with trying it more often in the future.
	But after this, I would never just go for it and try it.
	I so get it.
	I would love to have the experiences that some of these other people have had, where you go and you see friends and family and loved ones.
	But after this, I just don't know if I could go there.
	Okay.
	I so get it, Trina.
	Thank you very, very much.
	Thank you so much for taking my call, R. Oh, you're very welcome.
	We're really glad that you're back.
	Do it again.
	Call again.
	Thank you.
	So, Preston, there you go.
	She got scared so profoundly.
	Yeah, well, you know, the thing is, this is something that I would encourage everyone to do because sooner or later, we are going to die.
	Yeah, but this is like practice.
	It absolutely is.
	You can grow spiritually leaps and bounds by doing this kind of stuff.
	Not to mention the clinic.
	And here's another thing that we haven't even talked about.
	This wakens up your psychic abilities so profoundly that, I mean, I was coming home with dreams that were coming true on a pretty much daily basis and translated into waking clairvoyance.
	And I've had so many, you know, really profound psychic experiences as a result of doing this.
	Well, okay.
	I mean, those are encouraging words.
	Here's somebody called KissMe21.
	Are you there?
	Hi there, Art.
	You know, I get to see your picture, you know.
	Yeah, it's a little offensive story about that.
	Yeah, it's two fingers.
	Up in the air.
	Both trying to send me a message there.
	I almost didn't answer you because of that.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, that's an old picture.
	You might want to modify that.
	I mean, not a lot of people would answer that.
	I go on screen, so what the heck.
	Yeah, sorry about that.
	So anyway, go ahead.
	Yeah, I've had something happen.
	When I was younger, I actually fell off a cliff and landed on my back.
	I couldn't stand up.
	I couldn't move.
	I was paralyzed.
	Wow.
	And it seemed like an out-of-body kind of experience.
	It was really surreal.
	Things were quite odd.
	Do you think you were conscious the whole time, or not?
	I don't know.
	It was just really bizarre.
	I don't know how to explain it.
	I've never felt anything like that in my life before, though.
	And I couldn't move, and then all of a sudden, after that, I got up and I could walk again.
	I thought I was paralyzed, though.
	How far did you fall?
	About 15 feet.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you should have been out cold for sure.
	And maybe you were.
	Who knows?
	Well, yeah, I landed right on a rock on my spine.
	Aye yai yai.
	Okay, so maybe you went to the clinic.
	I didn't go anywhere.
	Well, I know.
	But I mean, you were okay.
	You said you got up and could walk.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what happened.
	Like, how that happened.
	I thought I was paralyzed.
	Usually, you fall 15 feet onto a rock.
	Mm-hmm.
	No walking.
	No walking.
	You don't walk anymore, so... Right.
	Well, what's interesting about that is that's getting the wind knocked out of you to the point where it's actually knocking you right out of your body.
	Partially.
	And this is actually pretty commonly reported in falls.
	Really?
	People will find themselves standing next to their body for a brief second.
	And then slip back in, or feel kind of dissociated.
	And they might see glows, or just have difficulty, just like you're describing actually, exactly what's different.
	Do you see any kind of light or darkness?
	Things seemed kind of lighter.
	It was a long time ago, but yeah.
	Still amazing.
	Yeah, I just can't even really describe it.
	All right, well, close enough, 15 feet onto a rock, my God.
	Change the picture, trust me.
	Well, I'm lucky, yeah.
	I can walk.
	Right.
	Like I said, change the picture.
	Yes, I will.
	I'll call you again soon.
	Please do, yes.
	I'll have a different one.
	Yeah, I'll have a nice one.
	Something nice, yes, that'd be nice.
	Most people, believe me, would not have answered that in a million years.
	Let's go to the phone.
	So many people.
	Spokane, Washington.
	You're on the air.
	Good evening.
	Preston is listening.
	How are you doing, Art?
	Okay, sir.
	I was just going to say, I've had several experiences with the outer body and I've been
	doing it quite a few times and then all of a sudden I hit this wall, literally, and wasn't
	unable to do it again.
	It always seemed like it was trying to escape.
	Okay, we don't have a great connection.
	You're saying you hit a wall, literally.
	Literally.
	There was this house, I'd always go to this house when there was trouble, when I was projecting myself to access my way back into my body, and I would always end up You know Preston says that you can go through walls, right?
	door and go through well I open the door and it's bricked up and I have never
	been able to do it again since. Yeah well you know Preston says that you can go
	through walls right? Yeah well this is the I was literally like being done
	bounced back and never been able to do it again. Huh. So you're done with it huh? I've tried I
	can't do it. Okay well maybe it's well that you can't because you can't go
	Any, any advice on going through walls, uh, Preston?
	Um, yeah, well, I know what he's saying.
	You know, I've, I've actually reached this at a point, you know, I wasn't, was unable to do it for a year.
	I'm like, well, is this ability gone from me?
	Cause there's a couple of cases out there where people did it for a while and then boom, they couldn't do it.
	And they had like a one last visitation or with a spirit who said, you know, You're done, because you've learned all you need to learn, or you're not at that level, or various messages like this.
	So, he needs to try the wall again.
	Yeah, I think that if you continue to do various exercises, read the literature, try the different ways of doing it, it will come back to you.
	Absolutely.
	Caller, are you still there?
	Yes.
	Good, okay.
	So, can you try the wall again and let us know?
	Walk, don't run.
	That would be the only advice I could give.
	Walk, don't run.
	It's gonna hurt.
	But on the other hand, maybe that would show your determination.
	You just go way back and take a big run at the wall.
	Yeah, I've done it and I've bounced right off.
	I didn't hurt myself, but I sure felt it.
	God, if this was a travel agency, you'd be so broke.
	And there was another time I was on my balcony, and I'm standing on the rail, and I'm thinking, you know, I wonder if I'm actually out of body.
	And I'm like, God, you know, if I fall, this could be terrible.
	I'm like, no, I'm actually out of body.
	I know I must be, because I wouldn't be standing on the rail.
	And so let me guess, you jumped.
	And so I jumped, and I fell all the way down three stories.
	And lived to be on a radio program and tell about it, right?
	All right, Preston, hold tight.
	Ah, this is Midnight in the Desert.
	I'm Martel.
	He came from somewhere, a long, long ago.
	Sad about the fool, don't she?
	Trying hard to recreate what had yet to be created.
	Watchin' her life, she musters a smile for his nostalgic tale
	Never comin' near what he wanted to say, only to realize...
	...that he's a good man.
	This is a story about a man who was a good man.
	You're a bad man, you're a bad man.
	If a cause is right, I need to find an answer on the road.
	I used to be a rolling stone, you know If a cause is right, I'd need
	To find an answer on the road I used to be a hard beating, forth on one
	But the times have changed The less I say, the more my work gets done
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	how to move in the darkness like Art Bell To call the show, please dial 1-952-CALL-ART.
	That's 1-952-225-5278.
	You know, I really wish that was true, that I knew how.
	I know how to move in the darkness.
	I know how to do talk radio in the darkness, but when it comes to astral travel or out-of-body experiences, not so much.
	I've had one that just was wonderful and scared me really seriously on the other side, and none since.
	And I think it's the fear.
	I do believe that it's the fear.
	And Preston may have helped you tonight, but on the other hand, he may not have.
	Some scary stuff, actually.
	Preston, you're back, and I think somebody's with you on the international line named Luke.
	Luke, are you there?
	That's right.
	I am, actually, yeah.
	Good!
	I'm glad you're there, Luke.
	Where are you, by the way?
	I'm from Australia.
	I'm actually about 100 k's away from Melbourne in Geelong.
	Down under.
	I've been listening to you for many years now, and this is actually the first time I've been able to listen to you live, and it's just incredible.
	I thought, what the heck, I'll try and see if I can call up and, you know.
	Yeah, it's live.
	That's right.
	It's live worldwide, and it's just that Australia Japan, you know, the Southeast Asian areas are all sort of at a good time for the show.
	And a lot of people, I think, don't realize it is live, but it is right now.
	That's fantastic.
	Would I be able to shout out my father?
	He's turning 70 today.
	So I'm going to take him out a little bit later tonight.
	Well, that's really a big birthday.
	I know I just had one.
	Yeah.
	I wanted to call up.
	I don't know that I have a A similar sort of experience as the other listeners.
	Maybe you've got a question about it.
	I had an experience that was more like going into myself.
	I was sort of lying down one night, I was quite relaxed, I'd had a hard day at work, and I just found myself sort of relaxing more so, and sort of found myself In this dark space, it was almost like I'd changed some sort of consciousness and actually saw myself sort of out of body as a young chalk.
	But I was working through a lot of things at the time.
	I had a lot of things that happened.
	So you, wait a minute, let me get it straight.
	You were, you exited your body and you were your young self.
	Yeah, it was, it was just so bizarre.
	Like I was young again.
	I was seeing myself as a 10-year-old.
	I'm 26 now.
	This probably happened maybe 8 or 9 months ago, but it was so bizarre.
	I actually felt young again.
	I sort of felt my mind slow down to how it had when I was that age.
	I was thinking about things that I hadn't thought about for many, many years.
	Wow.
	That's pretty wild.
	I mean, to actually feel young and to understand that feeling is pretty amazing.
	Preston?
	Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about, Luke.
	What's really interesting is when you go out of body, time collapses to a certain extent.
	In fact, the farther you go, you can effectively travel in time.
	And sometimes when you pop out of body, you go to the past.
	You can go to your childhood or connect with that, or even the future for that matter.
	So, yeah, I get what you're talking about.
	I think it's so cool.
	I mean, just to feel that young again, to remember what it felt like, that'd be awesome.
	Yeah, it was fantastic.
	I mean, I suppose that was something I've been sort of processing, I guess, a little bit as well, and maybe subconsciously it came on.
	I'm not really sure.
	It was just really bizarre.
	I've had a few other times when I've sort of felt myself going back into that sort of place, but the age difference wasn't there.
	But it always seems like I'm going in on myself, not travelling out elsewhere.
	I unfortunately didn't catch the first half of the program, but it sort of sounded like you were talking a lot about almost like astral travel.
	Yes.
	Is that right?
	Trust me on this.
	It's worth joining, becoming a time traveler and downloading it.
	It's really a fascinating program all the way around.
	And what you just said is fascinating, too.
	And especially calling all the way from Australia.
	Thank you so much.
	No worries.
	Thank you so much, Art.
	All right.
	Take care.
	That's really neat.
	Can you remember what you felt like at 10?
	Well, not as well as I would like, but you can connect with it through the out-of-body thing for sure.
	Yeah, to have that fresh again would be awesome.
	Yeah, you know what's amazing?
	Because on the other side, you can travel in an instant.
	There's no such thing as rate or distance, really.
	So if you take that equation that we have, rate times time equals distance, it collapses time.
	So this is kind of why we have precognition when we come back from these experiences.
	Or you can travel to the past and see the sinking of the Titanic or what have you.
	Okay Preston, I had one precognitive experience, but I don't think it had anything to do with astral travel or being out of my body on the other hand.
	What do I know?
	Maybe it did, but I remember being awake Right.
	you know moving from place to place when I had this experience
	so now I think I was awake I don't I don't think I was actually traveling but
	your point is good test it is what you say right right what I'm saying is if you do
	astral travel be prepared to have a lot of psychic experiences
	because it activates I guess you call them your chakras you know and you'll feel it I mean you will
	physically feel this stuff on when you have you know premonition for for example I mean I had a really powerful one I had
	this vision I was going to the ATM to get some money
	yeah and I had this vision that there was this gangster looking guy there
	dressed in leather whipping his hair around I'm like, God, you know, that's weird.
	Yes, it is.
	And got, you know, drive up, you know, it's still a mile away.
	Got there, and there he was.
	Got chills down my spine, just like I saw.
	I'm like, I'm not going near that thing.
	Okay, so in other words, it was a precognitive warning.
	Exactly.
	I've had a number of those.
	And you start to learn stuff about people that, you know, you can, to a certain extent, read people a lot better than you normally could.
	All right, Wallace Berg, it's midnight, you're on the air, hello.
	Wherever Wallace Berg is on the phone, hello?
	Oh yes, hello Art, how are you doing?
	It's an honor to be a part of your show.
	I have a question for your guest, sir.
	I guess I've loosed a dream lately, but this one time... I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous.
	Relax, just take a deep breath.
	Yeah.
	You're just talking.
	Sure, sure.
	Um, this one time I, uh, awoke and, um, and I was laying in bed and I, I saw my, the back of my body leaving the bedroom or getting out of bed or, and, uh, walking towards the bedroom door.
	Wow.
	And I thought, I thought it was so odd, obviously, to see myself walking away.
	So it's like a reverse out of the body or something.
	So I was wondering if he has ever experienced anything like that or what it would mean.
	That is so opposite.
	Preston, he sees himself walking away.
	How could that be?
	Yeah, yeah, that has happened to me.
	Not quite in exactly that way, but that's called bilocation.
	And what's happening is you're conscious in either your body or your astral body.
	And if you're good at it, you can do both.
	There was one time where I was out there flying, I don't know where in God's name I was, out But far away.
	And at the same time, I started to become aware of my bedroom.
	And mind you, I'm lying there with my eyes closed, but I'm like, oh, I think I'm awake.
	So I opened one eye, and I'm like, yup, I'm awake.
	At the same time, I'm out there astral traveling.
	So to a certain extent, this is called bilocation.
	People are able to do it to the extent that they can sit down and be physically in another place.
	So this caller could probably switch positions.
	If he was really good at it, he could jump to the astral body that was leaving and be in that one.
	Right.
	That's what I would recommend.
	Concentrate on that one and see if you can transfer your awareness to it.
	You should be able to.
	What do you think?
	You want to give it a try?
	Well, it just happened, you know, I never meant for it to happen or anything.
	And this is probably a couple years ago now, so I'm sure if it ever happens again I would perhaps try that, but yeah.
	All right, well good luck with it, and I hope it works.
	This is a lot to take in, it really is.
	Let's go to Nick on Skype.
	Hi, Nick.
	Hello.
	Can you hear me?
	Oh, sure.
	Just fine.
	Hey, Art, long time listener.
	I'm glad you're back.
	Real quick, I just had a question for Mr. Preston.
	Has he ever confused or, I don't know how to put it another way, out of body experiences with lucid dreaming?
	Because I know that as a kid, I used to practice lucid dreaming a lot.
	I went on message boards reading about lucid dreaming and I feel like a lot of what he's
	saying reminds me of lucid dreaming.
	That makes sense.
	Preston?
	Right.
	Well, most people who look into this agree that they're connected.
	There's no doubt.
	I think personally that a lucid dream is when you know you're projecting the reality around
	you.
	But the problem is you can be out of body in one of the higher dimensions and be doing
	this.
	So the definitions blur.
	It's hard to say where the line is between the two, but you can project out of a lucid dream into the physical world and so you know.
	I have felt the whole out of body experience thing.
	One time I was asleep on a couch and I was in a strange place.
	And all of a sudden, I was half awake, half asleep, and I felt like there was someone sitting on my chest.
	A scary voice kind of came into my head, and I sort of saw myself in the room, but that only happened one time, but I've had lucid dreamings happen.
	I've had lucid dreams a lot more than that, and I felt like there was a distinct difference between those two things.
	You don't think there's a distinct difference between the two?
	Well, they're sort of gradations, I would say.
	You know, it's very hard to divide them apart because some people feel that the lucid dream is superior to the normal out-of-body experience.
	I think they're separate.
	You know, there are certain levels to dreaming.
	In the very beginning you have dreams which are just the things you did throughout the day, the movies you saw.
	Then you move up to a psychological level of dreaming where you're dealing with your fears and desires.
	Then you bring in lucid dreaming and you can deal with those in a conscious way.
	But at some point, you don't dream like a normal person.
	You're awake all night and never actually fall asleep and you understand the difference
	between a mental projection in front of you, depending on All of this is hard for words.
	I mean, if you're in the physical world, or on the other side where you're manipulating
	things or you're in a consensus reality, like, you know, the heavenly realms, where everyone
	agrees this is, you know, the way it is.
	Okay.
	It's hard to describe.
	Sure it is.
	All of this is hard for words.
	Collar, thank you.
	Yeah, no problem.
	I'd just like to give a quick shout out to Richard Hoagland.
	Looking forward to his show after this.
	I'm really enjoying it and just remember to think of the suicides.
	coming up at midnight uh...
	so sometimes i'd get into this state uh... person where i think that i have not slept all night
	and Frankly, I haven't slept all night, but I have been in that little tiny gray area we were talking about in and out of it in and out of it so much that I lose track of reality.
	I lose track of reality.
	That's the only way to put it and I might have a dream that seems to be so real and so quick, and I'm just like, in and out of this, in and out of this, if I can't sleep.
	Most of our dreams occur, I'm told, in that area between sleep and wakefulness.
	Is that true?
	Right, the REM state, absolutely.
	But like I said, we all go out about every night, and the truth is we're not unconscious.
	We're conscious on the other side.
	We're talking to our relatives, we're having experiences, we're planning out our days, and then we catch snippets of this as we go down in a gradation to the physical world.
	There's been times when I've been so far up there that I had to stop at each level and, like, you know, write this down in a dream diary, take that one down a level, write that down, and so on until I'm finally, like, am I really awake now?
	Uh-huh.
	So I guess it's pretty common stuff.
	Boy, we have got to take a break, so we're gonna do that.
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	Hi, everybody.
	I'm Mark Bell.
	This is Midnight in the Desert.
	My guest is Preston Dennett, and we're talking about OBEs.
	And I get messages on the computer.
	And so here is one for you Preston.
	This comes from Joe.
	And he says, can OBEs allow you to travel to different points in time as well?
	Time.
	Yes.
	I mean, that's what the one caller said, right?
	He was 10.
	Right.
	It's really startling when it first happens.
	You're like, what's going on?
	But yeah, you can travel to the past or the future.
	I think the future is a little bit harder because you get probable realities and you're not sure if these things are going to happen or not.
	But you can try to travel to the past.
	I tried to see the Titanic, but I was not successful.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	So you can travel to important times in history.
	People have been successful at doing this.
	It's sort of a psychic, you know, investigation.
	Sort of time travel, actually.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	We have the ability to do this.
	Time is not what we think it is.
	It's a, on the physical plane at least, it's a fault of perception.
	The truth is time is simultaneous.
	All right.
	All the way across the country.
	Florida.
	Dillon, Florida, I think.
	You're on the air.
	Hey, Art.
	Hey, Dr. Fuller.
	Yeah.
	I have you to thank for all my out-of-body experiences I've had over the years.
	Really?
	You heard some of my old shows on them?
	Oh, your first show I listened to was the night Chuck Harder, you were talking about Chuck Harder, was missing.
	Oh, man, that was a long time ago.
	Sure, I remember.
	It was a long time ago.
	But my father had passed away, and my mother was an invalid.
	And my sister lived with her, and she used to go to work really early in the morning, and I used to get up and drive over to my mother's, and what I found out was it was interrupted sleep was causing it.
	But you had Albert Taylor on one night.
	That's right.
	And he was describing it, and I had had the vibration thing a couple of times, and you feel like you're going to die.
	I mean, it's a frightening thing.
	I'm laughing, but it is frightening.
	Yeah, but what I was wanting to say to you is when you get to that point, that's as scary as it gets.
	Once you just are there, you just get out of bed real quick, roll out and you'll be standing there and it's really cool.
	But there's some things that I've noticed, I've had a lot of them, and there's certain things that I've read a lot of different books on it too because of it.
	I've made some little bullet points.
	I've seen these guys, they look like monks with the hoods, you know, like Grim Reapers without the sickle.
	I went to talk to one of them and he just turned into like a stone pillar.
	Really?
	See, that's not necessarily encouraging.
	That's not an ankle grab, but that's, you know... No, but I've had the grabbing and stuff.
	Yeah, I've had that laying in bed.
	I've had a lot of these things, but there's certain things.
	Like, I've never seen the silver cord, really.
	One time, I thought maybe, but for the most part, no.
	Well, it's a good question, Preston.
	Do people see that cord?
	Do they actually see it?
	You know, I never did.
	I looked for it, and finally, I'm like, you know what?
	I'm going to see it, and I finally did.
	I was going to say.
	Otherwise, how do you know it's there?
	Well, you know, it's there because enough people report it.
	And if you look hard enough, you can find it.
	For some people, it's a tiny little filament.
	For others, it's a big white hose.
	Right.
	Some people never see it at all.
	Some people see it symbolically.
	I'd want to see it.
	And I'd actually want to test its tensile strength.
	Exactly.
	You can do that.
	So you've never seen a color.
	You have finally seen it or what?
	Not really.
	I had an obstruction in my vision one time, but it's When they talk about commanding stuff, I think it was William Buhlman had in his book about clarity now.
	Oh, it's unbelievable.
	You can see good.
	The other thing is sometimes when you're laying there before, when you've got the vibration
	thing going on, that third eye bit, that's pretty neat because all of a sudden you can
	see, but your eyes are closed.
	But yeah, there's a... it's just quite an experience.
	Well, right away, seeing with your eyes closed, that would be a big tip off right there.
	Yeah, well, how I always have done it, I've laid in bed and just focused on my breathing.
	Right.
	And as you're breathing, I just make like it's coming up my feet, up my legs, and then out.
	And while I'm relaxing.
	And then when you think you're relaxed, you can kind of like relax one more time.
	You know, you just get more limp.
	Um, a lot of times I'll focus on a little shape, a triangle or a square or something.
	Right.
	But then the other thing that helps also for me is, um, thinking about where you, I think it was Albert Taylor might've said it, but thinking about where you are in your body.
	And it's like, you know, two inches behind your, your eyes or whatever, you know?
	And when you think about that, it's, You get to where you don't feel your arms and legs anymore.
	You're just so relaxed.
	That's usually when you hear the roaring sound or the people talking to you.
	It's very strange.
	I haven't had one in quite a while, but I noticed when I was doing it, I got to where I could have them pretty much every night if I wanted to, but it drains you something terrible.
	You do it back to back a couple of nights.
	Oh, you feel like you've been hit by a truck.
	Then what happens is you get so tired, when you go to sleep you just won't have one.
	What did it for me was the interrupted sleep and I didn't know what it was.
	Like I say, going over to my mother's in the mornings there and then laying back down to get another hour or two of sleep.
	When I first had it, I didn't know whether to go to the hospital or what because that vibration feeling like you can you just feel like you're
	gonna die you know it's it's
	very unsettling but like i had that several times and i'd had no idea what
	it was but then i heard albert on your show talking about it
	he was saying about all you have to just go with it and uh... it's scary to do but uh... the first time i did
	it uh... once you know you know you can say it's easy to say
	but it's not so easy to actually do if you're afraid
	well i was afraid and and that was the thing that i would you know if they know
	you just gotta go with it and i just got to the point right you know you go
	I wasn't enjoying having the vibration thing all the time.
	Oh, no.
	And then, like I say, as soon as you roll out, that's gone.
	That's the scariest part.
	Once you get to that point, that's as bad as it... From there on, it's just really cool.
	Then you can... I've been on the... I've stood on the moon, Art, and looked at the Earth, and picked up a handful of...
	It was like beach sand.
	I did the same thing.
	I did the same darn thing.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I couldn't believe it to hear you say that.
	It's so cool because that's exactly what I did.
	The first night that I, well the first time I had I fell out of my body and I was laying on the floor looking up at my legs on the bed and it was like and then boom I was back.
	But then the next night I was able to completely just roll out And I got to the foot of the bed and I was standing there.
	I could see my wife and myself sleeping and I was a little hesitant to leave the room.
	And I did, I don't know, like triple somersaults and stuff right there.
	It was just amazing.
	And then I was back.
	And after that I got brave and I thought, okay, I'm, I'm going to go somewhere.
	And I dove through the front windows in the bedroom, which I thought was going to take me out into like my front yard.
	And I ended up in the tunnel with the light at the end.
	Wow.
	And that was quite a ride.
	And I got to the end of where the light was and I stopped and I thought, this isn't where I want to go right now.
	And that was right back up the tunnel and back to my body.
	I was about to ask you if you considered the John Lear thing at that point, but apparently not.
	Yeah, no, like I say, it was, it's a lot when you have it happen to you, it's just a lot of information all at one time because it's, and the other thing And I forgot who it was that mentioned it.
	Gotta be really quick, we're coming up on break here.
	I think it was Albert Taylor had mentioned about your higher self.
	Right.
	And I've requested that one time, well actually more than once, but it's, I've never, it just, it's like an inverted tornado over your, top of you, just swirling, and it's the most intense euphoria you've ever could imagine, and it just, it gets so intense it just bangs you right back in your body.
	Gone beyond that.
	Alright, well that is the safety return and this is where we have to safely depart.
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	Vitamin B3, an essential part of our diet.
	Its deficiency in humans can lead to nausea, anemia, and tiredness.
	Fortunately, it can be gobbled up from sources such as salmon, avocados, and nuts.
	But now scientists are eager to find out if there's another unexpected source.
	Space.
	A team of researchers thinks that vitamin B3 could have been made on icy dust grains in the depths of space.
	It would in this scenario have been delivered to Earth on structures of comets and asteroids.
	Past research has shown that vitamin B3 is present on carbon-rich meteorites in ratios between 30 and 60 parts per billion.
	The team decided to recreate the formation of vitamin B3 in space-like conditions.
	They used a mixture of gases, including pyridine, which can be found in space in carbon dioxide ice.
	Pyridine is one of the building blocks of vitamin B3.
	So the team was interested to see if it could manifest itself as vitamin B3 in these space-like conditions.
	The results from the experiments were promising.
	The researchers tested their theory by cooling an aluminum plate to negative 423 degrees Fahrenheit in a vacuum to replicate the freezing temperatures of space.
	The plate was then bombarded with protons to mimic space radiation that would give the gas mixture the energy to create reactions.
	When the sediment formed on the plate, they found a wide range of complex molecules, including B3.
	This is an exciting result, although it's far from proving that vitamin B3 on Earth originated from space.
	The next stage for these researchers will be to wait for someone to find some B3 out in space.
	A landmark discovery was announced by NASA this month, the possibility of a second Earth in Kepler-452b.
	Found by NASA's Kepler Space Telescope, this planet orbits a star much like our Sun at a distance roughly similar to the Earth.
	Could there be life?
	On Earth 2.0, or even beyond, the director for SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, Seth Shostak, believes there could be.
	Shostak says in his video further, we might be able to learn more.
	We might even get a message.
	If we get a message, who knows what it might be?
	He continues by saying, on the other hand, let's assume that in the conservative case, if you will, that you don't get a message, you can't pick it up, or you can't decode it.
	You'll never know what it means.
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	The City of Berkeley, California passed a law that goes into effect next month requiring cell phone stores to inform customers about safety recommendations.
	The move reopened a decades-old debate about whether mobile phones cause brain tumors.
	The ordinance, called the Right to Know Law, will start to require retailers to give customers a handout or display a sign in stores telling them about federal regulations on the amount of radiation that cell phones can emit and the instructions on safe phone use.
	The information will also go beyond the current regulations by stating that children and anyone carrying their phone in a pocket or bra could be at increased risk of radiation exposure.
	What the law does not require is that consumers be provided information about the specific health risks of being exposed to radiation.
	Researchers say that it is highly probable that long-term cell phone use can cause brain tumors.
	In 2011, the World Health Organization classified the kind of low-energy radiation that cell phones emit as possibly carcinogenic because of a link between cell phone use and a type of malignant brain tumor called glioma and a benign brain tumor called acoustic neuroma.
	Both types of brain tumors are rare.
	About 5 in 10,000 adults are diagnosed with glioma in the United States every year, whereas about 10 in a million people develop acoustic neuromas every year.
	And you know Art Bell, he's been saying don't call the show on your cell phone for years, so maybe he's some kind of prophet.
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	Man, my own news guy took a shot at me.
	Not really.
	Something about cell phones.
	Anyway, Preston Dennett is my guest.
	We're discussing OBEs, and oh boy, are we ever.
	And he's done such a fabulous job that I really wanted to say, hey Preston, what would you like to promote?
	Your website?
	Do you have books?
	Is it a good opportunity to tell people how to get, I don't know, hints on how to do OBEs?
	I'm sure you have lots of written stuff.
	You must.
	You know so much about it.
	Yeah, I do actually have a book out.
	It's called Out of Body Exploring, A Beginner's Approach.
	You can learn more about it on my website.
	If you just Google my name, Preston Dennett, it'll take you right to my website, the actual website address.
	Okay.
	It sounds like Bennett, but it's not.
	It's Dennett.
	D-E-N-N-I-T-T.
	Is that right?
	E-T-T.
	It's E-T-T.
	See, I didn't have it right.
	E-T-T.
	Got it.
	D-E-N-N-E-T-T.
	Right, I got all my books there, excerpts, and you can contact me through my website if you have any questions or stories you'd like to share.
	I'm always interested in, you know, hearing from people about this subject and UFOs as well.
	Do you ever give people personal help?
	Excuse me?
	Do you ever give people personal help?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	I counsel people through doing this.
	I think this is such a transformational experience, Art, that I think it's really important that people know about it.
	I do, too.
	Oh, my God.
	I mean, it just completely will transform your life.
	I really urge people to at least give it a try.
	All right.
	All right.
	Good enough.
	Donald, your turn.
	Hi, Art Roswells.
	Thank you.
	To both of you, actually.
	I was going to ask your guest how he feels about déjà vu in relation to obese.
	Yeah, well déjà vu is a very interesting thing because I used to get it a lot and it started to increase really profoundly when I was doing out-of-body travels and what I found was I would have déjà vu and suddenly I would remember Do you think it's possible to transfer your soul, possibly, using OBEs?
	where I could actually predict it.
	I could predict the person's conversation, what was gonna be on the radio,
	who was coming in at work, and things like this.
	And I realized that these were memories of the travels I had done the previous day.
	So, scarcely a day went by where I wasn't having some sort of deja vu.
	Oh, wow.
	Do you think it's possible to transfer your soul, possibly, using OBEs?
	Wow.
	To transfer your soul?
	into another vessel.
	Oh, yeah.
	This is talked about all the time.
	And it's also one of the concerns, by the way, Preston, what this caller brought up.
	And that is, let me take it from here, Donald, that while you're out of your body, your body becomes occupied by some sort of entity that may or may not be friendly.
	Just leave it there.
	Right.
	Well, it hasn't been my experience that that's true.
	The real case is when you're doing this work, you almost always have a guide with you, even if you don't perceive them.
	I felt like I was on my own.
	I really still feel like that most of the time, because if I have a guide, they rarely show themselves.
	They have, but it's my understanding that they are there.
	I have not found that to be a problem, even though I've done this many, many times,
	and I can't find any good evidence that this has ever really occurred.
	And as far as inhabiting someone else, well, to a certain extent, you can perceive other people's
	thoughts.
	Oh. Well, that's not the same as inhabiting another person.
	No, you can't, I mean, to kick them out of their own body, or another person's body, you have to be extremely advanced.
	Well, you mentioned you can't move things, so your hand just goes right through it, or that you can walk through walls, so presumably, you could walk into a person.
	Right, well, you can walk, yeah, I've had people walk through me, standing in front of them, and it's very disconcerting.
	Right, right.
	Disconcerting, but mildly.
	You can't stick inside them.
	You can't.
	Okay.
	I haven't tried it, you know, but it's not something I would... Give it a shot.
	Let us know how it comes out for you.
	Well, you know, I'm willing to give it a try, but it's not something... I don't want to take someone over.
	I'm starting to mess with you here.
	Yeah, that was the obvious question.
	Is it possible To essentially take someone over.
	You can influence people.
	Oh?
	You can, you know, because all our thoughts are not necessarily our own.
	We're picking up on, you know, this sort of telepathy, even if we don't know it.
	To a certain extent, some of our thoughts are influences from our spirit guides.
	Have you ever influenced somebody?
	And in what way?
	Um, no.
	You know, I have tried.
	I'm like, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here.
	I've talked to people on the other side, my brothers and sisters who are alive.
	And tried to get them to remember what they were doing and they could not.
	It's very much about memory.
	This whole actual travel thing.
	It's about awareness.
	It's about intent.
	Right.
	And, you know, focus.
	These sorts of things.
	Okay.
	Let's go to Edmonton, Alberta.
	You're on the air.
	Hello, sir.
	Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	It's wonderful to hear you.
	Thank you.
	Welcome back from everybody.
	I'm sure you're sorely missed and I'm actually shocked to be on the air right now, but I gotta talk about this.
	Now, it was years ago when I was listening to your show and that's the reason I have a name for what happened to me.
	I had an OB, I guess what you're talking about.
	I was in college and I was going through a pretty tough time.
	I really wasn't ready for the experience and I had a, I guess what you'd say is a peak experience, where I was doing a drawing in, it was art school, I was doing a drawing in the studio.
	It was late at night, and I guess I kind of felt like I had a pillar of light coming from heaven.
	I felt like I was really connected to everything.
	But then I had an anxiety attack, I guess.
	So I went home that night, and my dad picked me up from the hospital.
	And mind you, no drugs here.
	I'm not a drug user.
	No, but drugs is a very good question.
	We'll ask that.
	Yeah, nothing like that, Art.
	Even back in my college days, I was a pretty straight guy.
	Now, what happened is I went to sleep and had what the sleep paralysis, and shortly thereafter, I saw the roof of my bedroom, the stucco on the roof.
	It looked like the room was bathed in a kind of an like a street lamp light now I don't I miss the earlier part of that of the conversation, but I don't know that's Carmen now Is that is there anything common about that?
	Oh, yeah, yeah when you go out of body everything glows around you It's the whole world kind of glows and the higher you go the brighter it glows Wow yeah, and I had and I had like that the buzzing and all that and there was anyway, I My question is kind of, does that sort of physical and mental anxiety tend to cause those experiences?
	Because I haven't had a full OBE since then.
	Though I have had sleep paralysis quite frequently, and I still have it, but it doesn't frighten me as much anymore because I kind of learned to live with it, right?
	It used to terrify me, now it doesn't so much.
	I wonder if you could tell me about that.
	Right, well, absolutely.
	Fear of death is where this sort of thing is, I think, coming from.
	It's the most pervasive fear that we have, and this is something that confronts it head-on, and it can cause extreme fear and anxiety and terror, and it's something that we all have to work through, and this is why it's such a great thing for, you know, elevating you spiritually and Come, you know, working along the spiritual path.
	This is a great way to face your fears, I guess, is what I'm saying.
	Sure.
	All right, let me ask you about drugs.
	There are those who say they have experiences, very much as you have described, or part of what you have described, with certain mind-altering drugs.
	Is this an avenue you have experimented with or know about?
	I have not experimented with it.
	I haven't taken hallucinogens or any of these so-called drugs, which do apparently have an effect like this.
	And I do know of a couple of cases, at least, where people have had drug overdoses.
	And some of those people definitely go all the way to the light.
	They do.
	And they don't always come back, but some do come back with these profound out-of-body experiences that they've had.
	So it's possible to do it through the influence of drugs or as a result of drugs.
	It's not something I would recommend.
	There are various ways of doing this.
	People do what you call diet purification things.
	you don't have to stop eating meat. You know, I've done this under the influence of alcohol,
	which is, I guess, an interesting fact. That is interesting.
	You would think alcohol, which initially, and for a very short time, is a stimulant,
	but then becomes a depressant, I believe.
	It's much harder to do.
	I've noticed that.
	You know, it's easier to do all this stuff if you're clear-headed, if you're not an angry person, if you don't have things you've procrastinated.
	Right.
	All these problems.
	But if you can work through all this sort of baggage within your personality... Got it.
	All right.
	Makes it a lot easier.
	All right.
	Let's go to Andy and whoever's with Andy in the background.
	Hi, Andy.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes, it's...
	My baby's awake and my wife, that's who you've been hearing in the background.
	That's all right.
	Where are you?
	I'm actually in San Diego County, California.
	Okay.
	Well, on the air you are.
	Yes, actually, I don't know how much time you allow per caller, but this subject really speaks to me.
	It's something that I've experienced my whole life, really.
	Just to give you a little bit of background on me, I was born and raised in Haiti, so English is really my third language, I would say.
	Okay.
	And growing up, I've always had this experience of being outside of my body to the point where, as a child, I thought that was normal to leave your body and have different experiences at night.
	My goodness.
	And so it was so common that you, it was normal.
	Yes, to me I thought it was something that everybody had experienced to the point where I tried it in real life per se and during my dreams I would fly all the time and I tried that while I was awake and I hurt my knees as a child.
	Really?
	Yes, I tried to fly in the hallway in my house and I landed on my knees and I hurt myself pretty badly.
	To me, that's how real it felt, to the point where I tried to replicate it when I was awake.
	So you were fully awake when you did the bad deed to your knees?
	Yes, I was about maybe 10 or 11 years old.
	Pretty good question.
	Let me ask Preston about that.
	Preston, if you can't distinguish between when you're out and when you're in, then you could do something really awful like that, right?
	Well it's interesting you bring this up because there's a number of cases where people have tried to fly as kids and they were successful.
	I wrote a book called Human Levitation and it recounts a dozen cases like that and 300 plus cases across the world.
	We could so do a whole show on that.
	I've been wanting to fly all my life.
	We can physically do that.
	This is something we can do on the other side, and sometimes the abilities from the other side translate here.
	But if you get it wrong, the knees hurt.
	If you get it wrong, you hurt your knees.
	Right, Pauler?
	Right.
	Yes, honestly, it felt real to me.
	It felt like I could do it at the moment.
	And when I did try it, it didn't end up really well for me.
	Okay, so there you go.
	I'm sorry.
	I messed you up there.
	Repeat what you just said.
	Yes.
	One thing I wanted to ask your guest, Mr. Arpel, is that sleep paralysis is something that I've experienced all my life along with all these wonderful experiences.
	Just to give you a little bit more about myself, I am currently an active duty member of the United States Marine Corps.
	Okay.
	And one time I was on the range in one Marine Corps base.
	I won't say which one, not to give myself away, but I was sleeping there at night and I had the sleep paralysis experience.
	And again, I felt the dark presence that most people feel when they are in sleep paralysis.
	But this time it didn't really go away after a while, like it usually does.
	It persisted over the night, and I felt that presence over and over again, and I was very distressed.
	Every time I woke up, I was paralyzed, and I felt that dark presence around me.
	And I felt like, at one point, there was a very good presence around me that came in order to help me get through that.
	And it showed itself to me in the form of a man, Would this be the guide, Preston?
	That's what I wanted to know.
	Would that be the spirit guide, or the guardian angel, or the higher self, or whatever anybody would call it, that came to me to help me through that tough time?
	Yeah, that very may well be it.
	It sounds like it.
	The thing is, when you do these experiences, you start to increase your perception.
	You start to be able to see ghosts.
	Yes, I have been able to see ghosts or spirits my whole life, and it became common to me after a while.
	So yeah, you have to deal with that.
	You can sense bad energies, you can sense good energies, and it's a completely different world that we're dealing with here.
	But my question was that it gave me a name.
	This is the first time that anything I've seen in that weird state that I was in.
	Colin, I'm going to have to go.
	We're so short on time.
	I want to say hello to Brenda very quickly.
	Hi, Brenda.
	Hello, Brenda.
	Going much?
	Hello?
	Hello?
	It says Brenda.
	Is that you?
	Hello?
	I repeat, hello?
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes, hello.
	I hear an Australian accent.
	Speak!
	Not Australian.
	Oh, where are you?
	New Zealand.
	New Zealand?
	That's... I shouldn't say close enough.
	It's a different country.
	Okay, we have only got a moment, so if you have a question, lay it on us.
	Just a wonderful program tonight.
	Well, that is so very kind of you to say.
	Thank you, and we'll end it there.
	Once again, Since we're about at the end of the show, give us your website, ways to learn more, because that's what people want.
	Right.
	If you want to go to my website, just Google my name, Preston Dennett.
	The actual website is PrestonDennett.Weebly.com.
	But yeah, if you just Google my name, I've got all my books up on my website.
	Right.
	16 or 17 of them.
	A bunch of other stuff, excerpts, and I'd love to hear from people who've had this experience or have, you know, want to learn how to do it, because definitely it's easy to do.
	You just have to take the effort and do it, you know, knuckle down.
	Well, you obviously know a very great deal about it and have done a lot of it, which makes you such a joy to interview, because, I don't know, you've been down in the good part, the bad part, you've been through it all.
	Preston, thank you for being on the program.
	Oh, it's been an honor.
	And you can be sure, I'm sure we'll do it again, buddy.

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