Grant Cameron and Adam Ambrose dive into 1970 New Jersey abductions witnessed by 50+ children, telepathic communication, and a 1984 janitor-confirmed incident involving a basketball-sized light. Cameron reveals a 1950 Canadian UFO document linking "mental phenomena" to extraterrestrials, citing Wilbert Smith’s claim that aliens intervene only to prevent nuclear war. He dismisses evil aliens as demonization of outsiders, favoring experiencers’ accounts over government secrecy. Ultimately, abductions may signal consciousness evolution rather than physical invasion. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good afternoon, good morning, whatever the case may be, wherever you are in the wide, wide world, which we cover.
This is Midnight in the Desert.
And I'm Mark Bell, and I only have two rules for this show.
Abide by them.
No bad language, and only one call per show.
That's it.
Those are the rules.
Now, I have some people that I always like to thank.
The great sound that you hear coming from this program, and it is great sound, is assisted and transported, and in fact, pretty much created by Telos.
He wasn't going to be the original guest, but he is now, he's not the original guest, but he's coming along now with Grant Cameron.
Cameron, Grant investigates people who are abducted, and so I thought it would be useful.
And my producer produced somebody at the last moment for me, Adam Ambrose.
And we'll ask him about his abductions, plural.
Now, one last thing that I must get to, and that is how to call the program when you get around to calling the program.
Something you can do right now, actually.
Put Skype on your smartphone.
The coolest, best way to call this program is put Skype on your phone.
And then please note the numbers for Skype.
Because what you can do is act like you're going to add me as a contact.
And even though I don't respond, it doesn't matter because then it appears on your list and you can just dial it at your whim.
So in North America, Canada, the U.S., we have MITD55.
That's my Skype name.
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So there you have it.
Off in a moment to our guests, but just a couple more things.
You know, there is a theory, right, about time jumping and the Bermuda triangle.
Well, the case of, brought to us by Anomalous.com, Bruce Gernan and his impossible jump forward in time, as he, get this, flew his small plane toward Bimini.
That's just about where it always occurs.
They reported being surrounded by a strange, thick cloud and ending up miles away with no accounting for the fact that his 75-minute trip had only taken 45 minutes.
Was it caused by some supernatural force?
The cloud itself?
We don't know.
But he was in the place where that stuff happens.
Oh, the Obama administration has decided that the NSA has to stop listening, examining, and will ultimately be forced to destroy millions of American calling records that it has collected under a controversial program leaked by former agency contractor,
hero, traitor, you pick it, Edward Snowden.
He's one of the two.
With reference to the recent headshakers, you know, the movie theater killings, one professor of psychiatry calls it the conversation we're stuck with.
A teachable moment growing out of horror.
You know, and that's really all they can say about it.
They don't know, you know, what causes someone to do something crazy like that.
Two four-plus earthquakes in Oklahoma, but you know what, folks?
They were preceded by a gigantic bang.
Remember we talked about, you and I talked about four-point bangs, right?
Linda Howe?
And earthquakes?
Well, there you have it.
A big bang followed by two four-point earthquakes or better.
One more calling tip, by the way, folks, and then away we go.
And that is when you call the phone here, please, please, please, please do me a big favor and let it ring until it's answered.
I know sometimes you have to then re-dial if it doesn't get answered, but that's how it works.
Let it ring till it's answered.
We don't screen calls, so kaboom, you're just on the air like that.
All right, coming up in a moment will be our guests.
And it's going to be an interesting night.
If you ever wanted to really know about abductions, you're going to find out as much as you wanted to know, I suspect, this night on Midnight in the Desert.
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I'm Mark Bell.
Hi, I'm Asia Bell, and it's very late, so I'm sleeping now.
But you're awake, so call my daddy because he's awake, too.
He became a UFO researcher back in 1975 after a personal sighting.
Yep, that'll do it.
He has extensively researched the role of the Canadian government, the President of the U.S., and the intelligence agencies in the cover-up in the UFO phenomenon as well, and the role of consciousness in UFO reports.
And I'm particularly interested in that part, consciousness.
So let us bring on Grant and say good evening, Grant.
Okay, well, you know, I know I sprung this on you, but I thought it'd be pretty cool, since you're going to talk about this subject, if we would reach out and actually get a subject.
And we have.
His name is Adam Ambrose, and he is with us right now.
However, I do have a good memory, and it's left a really strong impression on me, this particular memory.
So there were quite a number of students out, several dozen, and it was a fairly large area, grassed, a lot of trees all around, so it's kind of secluded.
I don't remember who first noticed there was a strange object in the sky.
Somebody pointed it out, and I remember looking up and seeing an object.
It was about the size of a walnut at arm's length, maybe a little smaller at first when I first saw it.
And it was dark.
It was moving very slowly.
It was like drifting.
And at first I remember thinking, is that a blimp or is that like a hot air balloon?
All right, so this craft, in front of all these witnesses, Adam, actually landed, right?
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Right.
So that's what I was trying to say that, yeah, as it got close and just before it landed, I heard like some children started to get really frightened and some were actually screaming and yelling.
I was calm because I think at that point when it was that close, they had started to alter my awareness, which was what they would usually do.
I saw it land about 30 feet away from me and it hovered and then it didn't touch the grass.
Landing implies to most people it touched the ground.
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No, I meant I think, well, what I was saying was that just before it landed is what it that it hovered close to the ground and simultaneously I saw a leg start to protrude from the bottom of it.
So it was very gently coming down.
Like it just stopped above the ground and then just enough so that these legs could come out.
And I remember just standing there transfixed watching the legs come out and touch the ground.
I've had a big close sighting and it puts you in shock.
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At this point, yeah, definitely.
I was stunned.
I was not particularly feeling like a pitched fear, although, like I said, I was aware some of the other children were because some were yelling.
And so we're just standing there looking at this thing.
Now, at this point, I think I had already slipped into the odds factor, what they call, where they had altered my awareness, but I was still very awake.
Yeah, I mean, I remember going in the craft, and I remember coming back, but I don't remember being on the craft.
And then the last memory is standing there, and I remember coming to full awareness, and we're all just standing there, and it lifts up, and leaves exactly the same way it came.
It drifted off very slowly.
And I remember the teacher, this is the last point, the teacher saw it because she came out, and I think she was inside looking through the window, because she came out, and she was in a panic, and she rushed us all in.
She said, come and come inside.
And she was standing by the window, and she was freaking out.
And suddenly I had what I don't know how to describe except as a premonition, an awareness that I was going to have an event.
I was going to be visited.
When I would have a visitation, I would have a premonition beforehand.
And I got the message in my head, almost like an instruction, an order.
Go downstairs to the bottom level, which was actually the basement level of the building, which was really kind of creepy down there.
It was dark.
And it was like this old building from like the early part of the century.
And I was scared to go down there.
But I went down there and I was just waiting in the hallway.
And I knew at that point that I was going to be visited.
And I remember standing there in the hallway and looking down the hallway.
And this ball of light appeared.
It was different from the other one.
It wasn't translucent.
It was solid ball of light.
And it was about the size of a basketball.
And it was moving up the hallway slowly toward me.
And I remember just standing there, frozen, transfixed, not afraid, but it got right up, came right up to me.
Again, there was this communication.
And I remember specifically, it said, come with me, follow me.
There was a janitorial closet which jutted out into the hallway.
It's kind of hard to explain, but anyway, it was like an L-shaped hallway.
You had to walk around the janitorial closet to get through this hallway.
So we walk into the janitorial closet, and I didn't know what the heck we were doing going in there, but we walked to the back of the closet.
The being communicates with me again, just standing there.
We're going to do this.
We're going to go in a classroom.
See, I had been co-opted to assist in abductions.
I don't know if I said that earlier.
And this was from the time I was very young, and Bud Hopkins had told me I was one of the first cases of that he had ever come across.
So this is what I'm describing.
And it was a multiple abduction out of the school.
But I'm standing in the janitorial closet, and as I'm standing there in front of this being, I see the janitor come in the closet, and he's fully awake and lucid.
And then all of a sudden, he sees me standing there next to this creature, and I see this scared look on his face.
This janitor and these stories, I mean, there's so much public witnessing going on with all of this that you would think it would be, I don't know, one of the biggest UFO stories in the world with witnesses.
This is One Devilish Controversy, a controversial statue unveiled in Detroit.
The group behind it took great efforts to make it a private exclusive party.
At least 100 people eagerly waiting for what's been kept well under wraps.
Some drove in as far away as upstate New York to see the Satanic Temple unveil a nine-foot-tall bronze statue of a goat-headed Satan.
Security inside was tight, no cameras or media was allowed in, and no cell phones or photographs allowed.
The secretive nature of the event didn't prevent a few protesters from attending.
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We figured, well, if they're going to unveil a statue and show statue, well, we're going to show the statue that beat this statue behind the scenes in reality.
It's, you know, recounted in the St. John's apocalypse that St. Michael and his angels defeated Lucifer and his angels.
Members of the Satanic Temple, who say they stand for the separation of church and state, kept mum Saturday night, focused instead on showing their guests a good time.
Some came out of curiosity, others to appreciate the art.
And they say, don't knock it just because it's not your taste.
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A sculpture or a piece of art or a tribute to something that they don't understand is not necessarily going to impact their religion or their beliefs.
There was so much abuz about the night the Detroit police set up outside just to make sure the Satanists and the naysayers stayed civil.
In the end, the group made good on its promise to make it an exclusive event.
The guests that were patient enough to make it through the line were promptly sent out the back door where outsiders can only imagine the real party awaits.
This is Dark Matter News.
The crew of a fishing vessel recorded a huge squid attempting to make off with a fish that they had caught, and it was all caught on video.
In the video, the squid is trying to eat a large fish while the sailors prod the animal with a pole to drive it off.
The squid is about five times as big as the huge fish it's trying to snatch.
The massive creature makes a valiant attempt but is eventually pushed away by the sailors.
It remains unclear which species of squid this one is.
There are two, the giant squid, which is long, and the colossal squid, which is broader and even larger than its cousin.
Not much is known about the species because only a few specimens have ever been caught or captured.
Giant and colossal squids are about 12 meters in length.
China has officially embarked on the next stage towards a new era of stargazing.
The construction of the largest radio telescope in the world began in 2011.
Now the panels that will make up the giant space viewing machine are finally being assembled.
The telescope is called FAST or the 500-meter aperture spherical telescope.
On Thursday, technicians began inserting the 4,450 triangular reflector panels into place.
This whopping reflector will dwarf all other radio telescopes when it comes to its dish size, measuring some 1,640 feet in diameter.
Each equivalent triangular panel has a side length of 36 feet.
The second largest radio telescope built, the Aerocibo Observatory, is in Puerto Rico and is 1,000 feet across in diameter.
The telescope will be nestled comfortably in a valley in the Karst Depression located in the Gizu province.
This site was chosen because it is ideally located in isolation from towns or residents.
There is a three-mile area around the dish separating it from any people and therefore any interference.
A giant telescope of this size is a sensitive instrument and needs radio silence to pick up accurate signals.
They say the telescope's purpose is to help them search for intelligent life outside of the galaxy and explore the origins of the universe.
Fortunately for any tourists, the designers of the telescope have prepared for a certain level of public interest.
There is an observation platform being built on one of the hills surrounding the telescope, the best place to appreciate a 500-meter piece of technology that will peer into space on our behalf.
I'm Leo Ashcraft for Dark Matter News.
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Dark Matter News If you could read my mind, love, what a tale my thoughts could tell.
Just like an old-time movie about a ghost from a wishing well.
In a castle dark or a fortress strong with chains upon my feet.
You know that ghost is me.
And I will never be set free as long as I'm a ghost.
You can't see.
Midnight matters are best handled by those that understand how to move in the darkness like Art Bell.
Adam obviously had a very great deal to say, and it was not served by the time we gave him.
It was very short, so we'll have him back for a full show.
Depend on that.
In the meantime, though, here comes Grant Cameron.
And Grant, you originally, I guess, were you spent, what, 37 years looking into the role of government and intelligence agencies and things like that, and somehow, somehow, made a switch to researching abductions.
Well, basically what happened is I had what it was called, I call it a download experience that occurred in 2012.
Yes.
In February, I had this experience, but the main thing that made me move was sort of the frustration of spinning your wheels, not getting anywhere, and suddenly realizing that the president knows what's going on, the appropriations committee knows what's going on, the intelligence agencies know what's going on, but they're never going to tell you.
And so I suddenly realized, it dawned on me that if you really want to know what's going on with UFOs, I mean, you can watch stuff fly around in the sky and count how many green ones there are, how many fast ones, the slow ones, and all this kind of stuff, and you're never going to learn anything about what's going on because it really doesn't tell you anything.
It's not until you actually do what Travis Walton did, is run up to one and flag it down and have it take you on board.
It's not until you talk to somebody who's been inside the ship or who has interacted with the beings who are behind the UFO phenomena that you're going to learn what's going on because the government's never going to tell you.
The intelligence agencies aren't going to tell you.
Yeah, what happened to me was, and my most dramatic event was I had the UFO sighting in 1975, and you had a dramatic one as well.
And it's hard to explain to people who haven't had it, but it basically changed your life.
I mean, like, I fell off the edge of the earth when I saw this thing.
I just couldn't believe that I'd actually seen it, and it was up close, and there was no doubt.
I didn't really know exactly what it was, but I knew it was nothing that was on this planet.
And so that was my first dramatic experience.
The second one was when I had this download experience.
I'm sitting watching Colin Andrews, who is the guy who invented the term crop circles, and he's giving a lecture in Phoenix, Arizona at UFO Congress.
I go to the lecture.
I'm not interested in the lecture.
The only reason I went was because Colin Andrews was giving the lecture, and he's a high-profile figure from ufology.
I figured I'd pay him the respect.
I'm in there.
I'm sort of not paying attention.
He's talking about consciousness and crop circles, and his theory was that 80% of all crop circles, he was financed by Lawrence Rockefeller to find out who was behind the crop circles.
And he came to the determination that 80% of crop circles are created by hoaxes.
20% are real, created by some sort of alien force.
And this lecture that he gave was saying that the 80% that are hoaxed are also being controlled by the aliens, that the aliens are telling the hoaxers what to put down.
I mean, I've seen so many of them, and yeah, there's a few, I don't know, kind of funky ones, but there are, most of them are gorgeous beyond understanding of how they could have been made by a bunch of guys with boards and chains.
Yeah, the ones I saw, I saw some here in Canada in the late 1980s, and I was floored when I saw how these things were woven, how the wheat is all sort of woven together and stuff.
And that's how I got involved, was that North Dakota had 300 nuclear weapons, Miniman 3 nuclear weapons with 10 warheads.
And in 1975, they put in 100 new weapons in North Dakota to shoot down Russian missiles.
And that's exactly when, on my side of the border, about 25 miles from the border, when they put these 100 new weapons to shoot down Russian missiles, that suddenly all these sightings started.
And they went on for a year from February of 1975 till November of 1975 when they started taking the nuclear weapons out of North Dakota because of a treaty they'd made with the Russians.
And then when you take a look at some of the stuff now we know behind the scenes is, for example, the big one was the Maelstrom one, the 10 missiles that were shot down at Maelstrom Air Force Base in 1967.
Yeah, yeah, and I think that's what the aliens are just basically doing is they are sending signals.
They are sending signals that maybe you don't know what's going on.
I don't know what's going on.
But the people in government, I'm absolutely sure when they shut down a launch site like that, or when they leave a dead cow a couple miles downrange from a nuclear power plant or a place where they're building nuclear weapons, I'm sure the message gets across and the government knows exactly what's going on.
They know an awful lot more than you and I. And I think a lot of what we see in ufology is just basically signaling.
It's almost like I even say with you and me, you had a close encounter, I had a close encounter, and I say to people, I say, why do UFOs have lights on them?
We don't have lights on our planes, except for little navigation lights.
And so when they abduct people, nobody sees anybody getting abducted.
You don't see the ship.
So when you see the ship, it's intended for you to see the ship.
And I tell people, if you've had a UFO sighting, you're part of the game.
You're part of what they're trying to do.
And I think a majority of what they're trying to do is just send us signals.
They're trying to make us think.
They're not giving us the answer.
They're making us think, what the heck's going on?
And the more people think, the more they talk about it, and the more people talk about it, the more it becomes like the gay issue or the gay rights issue.
Once you get to the point where everybody's talking about it, everybody's going to make the right decision as to what to do.
All they're trying to do is get people talking about it to raise consciousness.
I don't know about your analogy, but you're right about one thing.
Once you have seen something close up, either had an encounter, been abducted, or had a craft, in my case, 150 feet above me, your life is never the same.
And as I said, for 37 years, I'd gathered material together and done documents and lectures and stuff like that.
And suddenly it happened.
And it happened instantaneously.
Three figures, three different items popped into my head instantaneously at the same time.
And they came with absolute certainty.
People who describe download experiences will talk about this absolute certainty.
You don't have to check this.
You don't have to go research this.
This is the answer.
This is how it works.
You're absolutely certain.
And the other thing that comes with this great sort of excitement for two days, I just was vibrating for two days after this happened.
And what came to me was three things that I gathered together, but I'd never put them together.
I'd never figured out how they work together.
So he's talking about consciousness.
And in 2012, I couldn't have cared less about consciousness.
I couldn't have spelled the word.
I had no interest in it whatsoever.
And suddenly, what happened was, as I said, I had chased the Canadian government in the early 1950s.
There's a top-secret Canadian government document that I had quoted.
Stanton Friedman has quoted.
And we've talked about it endlessly.
It's a legitimate top-secret Canadian government document from November of 1950 where the Canadians go to the Americans and they're asking the American officials, what's the deal of flying saucers?
And they're told flying saucers are for real.
It's the most highly classified subject in the United States.
There's a small group headed by Dr. Vannevar Bush who's trying to figure out what's going on and that the subject is of tremendous significance to the Americans.
When this download, the first piece of the download came to me, it was the very next line in that document.
And the very next line in the document said, and we were also told by American officials, that other things might be associated with the flying saucers, such as mental phenomena.
And the Americans aren't doing very well because they've said if we're working on the problem, they're willing to exchange credentials and talk to us.
And this is through classified channels.
And suddenly I realized that this was very important because in 1950, there was nobody talking to aliens.
The first contactees would not appear until a couple days after the detonation of the hydrogen bomb in November of 1952.
The first abductees were not Betty and Barney Hill.
That was in the 1960s.
In 1950, November 1950, nobody was claiming to be talking to aliens.
Arnold Wright told it to Wilbur Smith, who ran the Canadian government flying saucer program from 1950 to 1954.
Wilbur Smith put it in a top-secret document, which was part of the Department of Transport flying saucer investigation, which took place for the four years from 1950 to 1954.
He's telling similar stories to what a lot of people, he referred to the aerial, a 1994 aerial sighting, where 62 school children in Rhodesia saw this UFO that had landed, and all these kids were getting communication from the aliens, and they were getting environmental messages.
Like he talked about the Oz factor, where time and space seems to stop.
This was described in the John Lennon sighting, where John Lennon has his sighting.
May Pang, who was with him, talks about this effect where all the people in the apartments around looking off this penthouse where they were, nobody seemed to be home.
Everybody seemed to have disappeared.
The people on the balcony below her didn't come up.
It was like time and space had stopped.
So this Oz effect is quite common.
What Adam is describing is commonly described by people going through walls.
And we now sort of understand some of this stuff.
Like the idea of going through walls is not a big mystery anymore.
We now know, for example, in the science that for every piece of matter, there are 1 times 10 to the 50 second power pieces of space.
That matter is all space.
It's held together by electromagnetic fields.
And so if you're an alien and you understand this, that everything is space, if you have a person who's all space and a wall who's all space, all you have to do is know how the electromagnetic fields work, and you can put somebody through a wall.
I don't think this is a real big mystery about people going through walls anymore.
And almost everybody that's abducted numerous times will describe the fact that they go through a window or through a wall or that the aliens come through walls.
This is pretty common, what Adam is describing here.
His big thing is, are there other witnesses to what he had seen?
Well, you have the messages that they're giving us.
You have the hybrid program, which is very common where people describe the hybrid babies, that their sperm or the eggs are being taken.
That's very common, that that's going on.
And then you have these messages.
A lot of experiencers will talk about seeing the screen on board the ship, and they're showing these environmental devastation scenes where the world is being destroyed.
And we're given the message about the fact that we were destroying the planet, that we're environmentally doing damage to the planet, and that we have to stop this.
In the early years, the messages came across were the nuclear weapon messages.
And the other message that is given is one of the more common ones is this oneness message, that we have to understand that everything is connected, everything is alive, and everything is one.
Everything's connected.
That is a big message that they put across to a number of the experiencers.
I saw the world's climate expert, I believe it was Sunday on CNN, regarded as the world's chief climate expert, and he said that if we don't do anything in 50 years, it is now known that we will have a 10-foot rise of our oceans.
Now, they can show a picture of New York City, Grant, and show what it would Look like with 10 more feet of water.
And Grant, there is not much New York City left.
And that applies to all the coastal cities of the world.
So maybe they better get busy pretty quickly doing a little messaging about what's going on with the planet's weather.
I'll tell you what.
Hold on, Grant.
We're going to break here.
Can you imagine that?
50 years, 10 feet, 10 feet of ocean rise.
You know what that's going to look like?
It's not going to look like cities.
It's going to look like ocean.
I'm Art Bell.
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This is midnight.
I've been drifting on the sea of heartbreak, trying to get myself a shore for so long.
For so long.
Listen to the strangest story.
Wondering where it all went wrong for so long.
For so long.
But hold on, hold on, hold on to what you got.
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Grant, you're back on.
Yeah.
All right.
So there's so much to talk about in this whole thing, but you think motive is one of the things I want to know about so much, and you believe it has something to do with genetics.
I mean, there may be a genetic line that they're following, because usually if you are taken, your children will be taken.
Your parents usually are involved.
Or there may be a spiritual line as well.
I mean, there may be, if you're talking one life, if you start talking reincarnation, the whole game changes.
And the example I always show that's critical to this is if you can find one case, one abduction case that goes back before birth, the whole game changes.
And the example I always show is the story of the Moody Blues, the famous band, the Moody Blues, who were clearly abducted in 1967.
Their story is quite well known.
And Mike Pinder, who's the lead for the Moody Blues and the lead guitarist, go to Colin Andrews after one of his crap circle lectures and say, we want to talk to you.
We want to tell you a story.
And they go out for dinner, and Colin says they're going back and forth between Pinder and the lead guitarist, back and forth and back and forth.
They're telling this story that they, before they were born, they knew that they were going to be musicians.
And they told this story about being on this craft and that there was these elder people and they were told they were going to put lyrics into songs that would raise consciousness and this whole thing.
And this changes everything.
If people can remember and a number of experiences, I can't remember what the exact percentage, but it's pretty high.
It's like 20 or 30 percent of people, experiencers will talk about remembering before they were born.
Are you saying that if you become a true believer in reincarnation, the Buddhists, of course, believe in reincarnation, that you are then likely to be a subject of visitation?
You're saying if you say abduction, that these people are taken against their will.
I would say, and Mary Rodwell, who's done over 2,000 regressions in Australia, would say that if you ask the person during the regression and you get them in deep hypnosis and you say at any point in the past, did you agree to be in this situation?
They will say, yes, I agree to this.
It's not an abduction.
This was something, if you believe in reincarnation, Art, you came into this life to do something.
Maybe you came in just to learn jealousy or greed or whatever, some sort of lesson.
But if you are an experiencer, the question is, did you come in here?
Did you volunteer to be an experiencer, to come in here to raise consciousness, to bring this alien message to the world?
We came in here, if you believe in creation, we came in here to do something.
And so what I say is when I see an experiencer, I see people who are very high-level spiritual beings who have chosen this mission to do what they're doing, that this is not some victim type thing.
And if you take a look at the polls, Edgar Mitchell has a support group for experiencers.
And in the poll that was done, they had 1,200 experiencers fill out this poll.
In there, only 9% of experiencers say that they would turn it around.
If they had the chance to not have this experience happen, there's only less than 10% say, yeah, I would not want this to happen.
Most of them would say, yeah, I'd do this again.
That experiencers, I'd say, are very, very important people.
Well, that was the movie that put this stuff about.
He talked about the fact he couldn't breathe.
And when they did the movie, they changed it to this stuff over his face.
They changed that whole thing.
I think when you interview him, ask him that question.
I will.
Do you see any positive aspects to this?
I would say that he sees that there are some positive aspects to this.
To me, to me, it's very important that what these people are doing.
When I did my first consciousness lecture in Phoenix, Arizona, I had a woman.
I don't know if you've ever gone into the life-between life stuff of Dr. Michael Newton, who did 7,000 regressions of people and took them into the between lives.
I had a woman who went and did one of these regressions after she heard my lecture.
And in that regression, she was asked, did you volunteer to be an experiencer?
She said, I didn't volunteer.
I earned it.
I worked hard to be in this position.
I see these people as very high-level people.
They're bringing a message to the world.
They're doing something to me that's very valuable.
But we've come to the world.
If you believe me or condition, we've come to the world to do something.
We've got some sort of lesson to do.
And so I see that part.
I don't see really much random.
I don't think I randomly saw UFOs in the wrong place at the wrong time or the right place at the right time.
That's why I say, if you see a UFO, you're part of the game.
You're part of what this whole thing is all about.
You've done a major mission in getting the word out and getting people talking about it.
And I think that's all they're trying to do is they're trying to get people to talk about it.
I firmly believe that if there are as many civilizations as we now sort of guess that there might be in the universe, like billions or trillions of civilizations that are running around, they may have done this a thousand times on a thousand different planets.
They know exactly what they're going to do.
Because if you take a look at the pattern, you will see that I've been in this a long time.
You've been in this a long time.
I know in 1975, what happened then doesn't happen now.
We had landing traces in the 1970s where they'd land and they'd leave the pod marks and the burned grass.
Doesn't happen anymore.
In those days, there was people seeing aliens looking out windows of crafts.
I was interested in Yedger Casey, and I was interested in near-death studies.
I had done a study at a hospital where I'd gone to study dying cancer patients and stuff like that, and asked all these questions about near-death work.
I've come right back to where I started back in the 1970s.
I had no interest in UFOs, none whatsoever.
The only reason I went out to see this UFO thing was because the whole town was seeing it.
It was a viral story in the city where I lived.
And I went out believing I wouldn't see anything.
And when I saw it, I just literally could not believe what I had seen.
Well, I had the opportunity to talk to Dick Cheney.
I had been interested in who had the answer to what I had seen in 1975.
I had a sighting.
I wrote a manuscript.
The local publisher where I am said, Mr. Cameron, you may believe in this kind of stuff.
Count me among the unbelievers.
I was no longer interested in sightings, couldn't care less.
All I was interested in is who knew what I had seen.
So I went up the chain of command.
I went to the Canadian government.
Then I went to the former president of Penn State University, Dr. Eric Walker, who indicated he knew what was going on.
Then I went up to the president.
I figured, well, the president must know what's going on.
And it was at that point when I got the opportunity to talk on a radio talk show, ask a question of former Vice President Dick Cheney.
What had happened was Bush was running for president with Cheney.
He had come up against a guy by the name of Charles Huffer who had a tape recorder going and said, Mr. Bush, if you become president, are you going to release the UFO information?
Bush said, yes, I will.
Cheney was standing right beside him and he said, this is Cheney.
He's a very smart guy.
He was Secretary of Defense.
It'll be the first thing he does when he gets to the White House.
So when he got to the White House in April of 2001, he was on a radio talk show, the Diana Ream show in Washington, D.C. I got on the air and I asked him the question, which I say you have to ask any four-star general, vice president or president.
You don't want to ask him, have you seen a UFO?
Who cares?
You don't want to know what you think about UFOs.
Who cares?
The only question you want to ask them is the briefing question.
At any point, did anybody walk in and brief you?
The briefing is the truth.
Did anybody walk in your office, swear you to secrecy, and tell you what's going on?
So I said to him, Mr. Cheney, in all your jobs in government, and Cheney had been the chief of staff for President Gerald Ford.
He had been Secretary of Defense under Bush Sr.
And when I talked to him, he was the vice president.
He was in the White House when he answered the question.
I said, in any of your jobs in government, have you ever been briefed on the subject of UFOs?
If so, when was it and what were you told?
And Cheney hesitated and he said, if I had been briefed on that subject, it would probably be classified and I wouldn't be talking about it.
And then what happened was Diana Ream, who's running the show, said, Mr. Cheney, have you had any meetings on UFOs since you got in the White House?
And at that point, he sort of caught his ground and he said, no, we've had no UFO meetings since I got to the White House.
And I don't think he ever went on a radio talk show after that.
I mean, because the next five questions after my question about the UFOs were all on Halliburton, how he was ripping people off with Halliburton.
And he was furious by the end of that show.
So, yeah, I mean, that's what it comes down to is it's classified.
The metal is classified.
How they get here is classified.
And the consciousness thing, which is the key element that in 1947, as I said, the Canadian government were told by high-level American officials in 1950, before anybody talked to an alien, that mental phenomena was involved.
How did the American officials know that mental phenomena was involved?
Because in 1947, they recovered a craft in Roswell, New Mexico, and one of the aliens was alive.
And when they went to recover the craft, the alien was talking in their heads.
And that's the most highly classified part to me is if you can figure out how to talk in someone's head, you can go to Putin, you can go to anybody and make them think they're talking to God.
This is tremendous technology, this whole consciousness thing, the fact that aliens are telepathic and that they can put messages and control people's minds.
Well, if they can actually do that, why don't they do it to achieve their goals, which if you listen to abduction stories, would seem to be, A, to stop us from blowing ourselves to smithereens, and B, to do something about the state of the planet right now.
Okay, the Canadian government, the guy that ran the Canadian government program, his name was Wilbert Smith.
He was a contactee.
Most people don't know that.
He was a contactee.
He was in contact with an alien by the name of AFA, and he is the guy that ran the Canadian government flying saucer program.
What he said the aliens had told him, and I've heard this from other sources as well, is that the only time they will ever step in, there's this non-intervention thing, the only time they will ever step in is if there is a nuclear exchange.
And this is what Wilbert Smith had been told by his alien contact.
And what he was told was if there's a nuclear exchange, they would step in.
Otherwise, they are going to allow the human race to stew in their own juices.
You cannot do your children's homework.
You have to allow people to learn their own lessons.
And if we happen to wipe ourselves out, so be it.
If reincarnation is a fact, we go someplace else and learn our lessons all over.
They are here not to save us.
They are not, this is not American military foreign policy where we're going to go in to a foreign third world country, bring them freedom, democracy, Jesus, and McDonald's.
They're here, I think, only to save the planet.
We are, as David Bohm, the famous physicist, said, we are the locusts.
We are like a swarm of locusts that has descended upon the earth.
And they are basically here to try to stop us from, or to educate us to stop what we're doing to the planet.
And, you know, if we destroy the planet, make it unlivable for human beings, we might as well go ahead and have the nuclear exchange.
So my question to you is, if it came to that, if somebody, Putin maybe, he's pretty nutty, if he pressed the button, it's your view they would step in and what?
Not allow these things to launch, take them out during the launch phase or what?
Shut the whole thing down or as they did in Russia, actually start the clock and let them run down and scare the living daylights of everybody.
This is the whole deal.
Wilbert Smith said that he had been told that they could stop a nuclear exchange and if we didn't believe it, they could take the moon in front of the entire human race, split it in half, and put it back together again to prove that they could stop a nuclear exchange.
But that is the only time they will step in is if there's a nuclear exchange.
Otherwise, it's hands-off.
We have to learn our own lessons.
And that's where this whole thing with experiencers, if you have multiple lives, that these people are volunteering to come in so that you don't have this non-intervention thing.
These people are coming in to help.
They're part of this process to raise the consciousness from the ground up.
You can't indirectly, to me, that's American foreign policy that we're going to go in and tell people what to do and stuff.
Because it doesn't work.
We know it doesn't work in Iraq.
We know it doesn't work in Pakistan and all these places.
That eventually you end up where you're in bunkers and the only time you come out is when you're an armored personnel character carriers.
The aliens cannot take over.
They cannot come in here and directly influence us because we would not allow it.
You're not going to allow someone else to come in and take over your world or your country.
So they're doing it, coming in through the back door.
They may have tried to come to the government, which I think they did on a number of occasions.
But after that, they're coming in through people who have volunteered to help them on this mission.
If a saucer came down, pick your place, White House lawn, I maintain that when the ramp came down and the little guy got about halfway down the ramp, he'd be filled with so much lead, Grant, that they'd have a hard time carrying him away.
In other words, we are a very, very warrior-like nation.
Plus, nobody wants somebody else to come into their country.
I mean, that's why we have so much trouble in the Middle East is we're in there.
And I mean, if you were someone and your neighbor, your parents got killed, or your sister, you'd be angry.
And you'd want these people out of your country.
This is the idea is that you don't want people in here.
And the other problem that we have that I say that the government really doesn't want any part of this is the fact that I just wrote a book called Alien bedtime stories.
And one of the stories I talk about, the articles I wrote, is Are the Aliens Commies?
And if you take a look in the early 1950s, when you had a Damsky Williamson, the FBI was following these guys around because the message that the aliens are bringing is not a capitalist message.
It is a message of oneness.
It is a message that the one is more important than the individual and that we have to stop this growth, this capitalist growth.
This would not be very well received in America.
The message that the aliens are going to be able to bring.
They're talking about the Gaia, the world is more important than some rich guy who wants to build a nuclear power plant in the middle of San Francisco.
Air flows through a row of massive fans that are connected to a carbon dioxide-rich solution.
This then absorbs carbon compounds out of the air.
This solution is purified with the carbon dioxide within it extracted and then purified again for reuse.
The research and engineering firm hope to build such walls where regrowth of trees simply isn't possible.
They did it in the 60s and they're still doing it.
A strange gray UFO has caused something of a stir in the conspiracy community after NASA caught the object on its ISS live feed camera and then promptly cut the live feed as soon as it appeared.
The small gray object, as seen coming up over the horizon and then disappearing just moments later as NASA cuts the feed and switches to another of the cameras, and will no doubt fuel conspiracy theorists' belief that NASA is deliberately hiding footage of potential UFOs.
One of the simplest theories to this conundrum is that it's an artifact on the lens, or indeed the moon.
The YouTuber responsible for the video Street Cap One doesn't hold with that either, posting a second video that he says proves that it couldn't be the moon.
The biggest mystery, however, is why NASA didn't just use duct tape to cover it up.
That's what they did before, after all.
Right?
I'm Leo Ashcraft, and this is Dark Matter News.
A former state trooper from Washington said on Wednesday that he is currently in contact with several Bigfoot creatures and that he feeds them food regularly.
The man who provided a name but chose to remain anonymous said that the encounters had been happening since 2009 in a remote area in the North Cascades.
He said sometimes it's five to ten minutes, other times they stay for hours.
He says he leaves them apples, carrots, beef jerky, cookies, and candy bars.
The man says he was looking for an old mine in the mountains the first time he came across the alleged beings in 2009.
After leaving the food out there for him, he says they seem to have started following him and getting closer.
He says he's been as close as 20 feet to some of them.
He reports that he was so close to them that he was able to catch some of their language on two different occasions.
He said it sounded like Native American and an Asian mix.
The creatures reportedly stand between six and seven feet tall and probably weigh in at about 500 pounds, females being a little lighter.
He describes them as having a human face, some with dark hair, others red or brown, probably about three to four inches long, adding that the females had small breasts.
He claims he's not the only one to have seen the creatures in the area.
Numerous people have also purportedly seen them while accompanying the man.
The former state trooper says the creatures have never presented a threat to him and that he leaves them alone and he's not interested in hunting them or gathering physical evidence.
Florida resident John Byrd last year claimed to feed Bigfoot potatoes and plantains on a regular basis.
In the spring of 1982, A soldier training at Fort Leonard Wood Army Base in Missouri claimed to have spotted a seven-foot-tall creature with brown hair that resembles the former state troopers' alleged sighting.
Portions on the United States side of the range are part of the North Cascades National Park.
Earlier this week, there were reports revealing the intentions of the U.S. Army to annex part of the region as a helicopter training area, drawing criticism from the Forest Service employees for environmental ethics.
I'm Leo Ashcraft.
This has been Dark Matter News.
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It's been a too long time with no peace of mind.
I'm ready for the times to get better I'm ready for the times to get better
I've got to tell you, I've been around my brain, hoping to find a way out.
I've had enough of this and then you rain.
Changes are coming, no doubt.
It's been a long time with no survival.
And I'm ready for the time.
In the darkest time, between dusk and dawn, from the high desert, it's Art Bell's midnight in the desert.
Now, here's Art Bell.
Hi, I'm Asia Bell, and it's very late, so I'm sleepy now.
But you're awake, so call my daddy because he's awake, too.
35% of all people who claim to be experiencers who've had the abduction experience or encounter with aliens are reporting at the same time that they've had a near-death experience.
Well, I'm really not sure what the message they got in the near-death experience.
But it is the same sort of oneness type thing where the weird thing that I find about it is there was actually a panel that's been set up to figure out how can you possibly have these two things together.
And that's where this idea comes from about the fact that it may be chosen, that you, when you came into this life, you chose to be an experiencer and you also chose to have a near-death experience because you know that there are people who can predict the future.
So people can predict the future.
It would indicate that the future is somewhat set, that it's not like random events, which is what we're sort of taught, that everything's random and it's meaningless.
But if you have, if I can predict that you're going to have a car accident tomorrow and you have a near-death experience, well, then it wasn't a random event.
So it may be that near-death experiences and abduction experiences are not random events, that a person comes into this life and chooses to have both.
And that's why you have this very high percentage, which puzzles a lot of people in the UFO community, how you can have so many people that have these two apparently random events happening that are so bizarre.
And I just say, to me, it makes sense that they're not random.
The Roper poll that was financed by Bob Bigelow in 1991 came up with conservatively in the United States of America 2%, which on 320 million people would be 6.4 million experiencers.
And that's conservative.
I think most people in the field consider that to be a conservative estimate of experiencers.
And the weird thing about that is that 43% of those experiencers are reporting downloads.
That's 2.7 million people that experiencers who are reporting, getting mathematical, technical, or scientific material in their heads that they did not learn in school or through any other means.
I've been inside some of his what are going to be spacecraft.
Now, he's a real serious guy, Brad.
Real serious guy.
And he was investigating this kind of thing you're talking about right now.
He conducted a number of very important polls, one of which you just mentioned.
And then suddenly, Bob Bigelow stopped doing that kind of research and began using his considerable wealth to get into space.
He's going to build space hotels.
He's doing all kinds of really serious stuff.
What do you think caused him, Grant, if you were to guess, probably just have to guess unless you've talked to him, what made him stop investigating all of that and move towards space?
Very young, before they've set their mind as to how the world works.
That's why I think they take them very young.
Because once you're 20 years old, your worldview is set, and the aliens would need giant rubber boots and a big, giant shovel to try to get an idea down in through all the garbage to impress something.
So they take the kids very, very young.
The same as we have this phenomenon that takes place with musicians being extremely interested in UFOs.
A lot of them are experiencers.
And I say, my guess is that the reason that the aliens are so interested in musicians is they influence children between the ages, say, say, 10 and 25 years old when they're looking for new ideas.
The idea is to get people before they've set their worldview if you want to get an idea across to change consciousness for the next generation.
While you are telling us that they're giving us a message of oneness, conciliation, repair of the planet, these very important things, there are people like Jacobs who believe that these creatures may be fooling us, that they're presenting the front that you have described, but in fact, they're not friendly at all, and they represent a very great danger potentially to us.
You either believe in oneness, or you believe in the fact that everybody's separate, that everybody's individual.
And when you get the individual idea, then if you take the aliens, what evidence is there that the aliens are going to take over the planet?
They're going to do everything.
People will say, okay, they're here to take the planet.
And I say, if you actually take a look, there's very physical, very little physical about them.
They don't wear clothes.
People say they're here to get our gold.
They don't wear jewelry.
They don't really have any furniture.
They don't seem to have any interest in anything physical at all.
They seem to be here doing this hybrid thing.
And people can say, okay, eventually they're going to take over the world and they're going to eat us or they're going to do whatever.
And I say, well, if you take a look at the download stuff, if you take a look at 43% of people are being downloaded or you have 11% of people that report that they're being allowed to fly the flying saucer, if they're going to take us over and eat us or whatever they're going to do, why don't they do it?
And why are they teaching people to fly the ship?
Why are they downloading mathematical and technical material into people's heads if they're just going to take us over?
There seems to be something else going on behind this.
There was a, I believe it was a Twilight Zone episode in which the aliens came down and they made a great speech and a great deal out of how they were going to serve man.
And then at the very end, Grant, it turned out that to serve man was actually a cookbook.
I'm just saying that you seem to believe wholeheartedly that they are well-intentioned, trying to help us, trying to prevent nuclear warfare, trying to help us with the planet, whatever.
And I hope, Grant, I hope it's true.
But I'm just saying, don't you have a little bit of you that says, but, well, who was it?
Ronald Reagan said something about trust, but verify.
This is this separation thing, that we have enemies, that everybody, that we are the good guys.
We're always the good guys.
And there's all these bad guys, and everybody's out to get us.
And it may be true, but what I'm saying is that I think people have to start explaining why are people getting downloads?
What is going on?
Why are they downloading people with information?
Why are they allowing people to fly ships?
When I did my first consciousness lecture, within one year, I had 24 people come to me that told me this thing, that they were flying the ship, and most of them were women.
And I say, if you believe in the evil alien thing, well, then you have to look at the fact that if you're a woman in Saudi Arabia, you cannot drive a car.
It's illegal for you to drive a car.
But if you're a Saudi Arabian woman and you get abducted by the aliens, they'll not let you drive the car, they'll let you fly the flying saucer, no insurance, no license, nothing.
So why are they allowing people?
Why is there something going on behind the scenes that's being ignored?
Now, maybe Jacobs is right.
Maybe eventually they're going to pop up and we're going to get served for lunch or they're going to be able to do that.
I mean, if you take a look at quantum physics, there is no time in space.
I mean, it's all a deck of cards on top of each other.
I mean, so time and space, you know, we're getting into hypotheticals that are hard to really answer.
I mean, it could be.
That was the message from Reynolds from Forrest, that Jim Penniston got through his touching the craft, the fact that this was future coming back.
I mean, it's highly possible, but my guess would be that there really is no time and space.
That if you talk to Julia Asante, from Columbia, who's done some work on this, she basically says that you can basically talk with your future lives and past lives and have a meeting.
And so this idea of time and space, a lot of this is illusion.
Physical world is illusion.
Time and space are illusion.
We believe a lot of stuff that really, the aliens are showing us this really isn't true.
When you start looking at what they're doing, we start realizing that we've sort of got some beliefs that maybe need changing.
And that's why I'm just saying you've got to start looking at what the experiences are saying.
They're telling us some important stuff about what's going on, that you can go through walls, that telepathy is true, that people are getting downloads, they're getting information, they're getting inventions and stuff like that.
I think we've got to start looking at this kind of stuff.
And maybe it's true that there is some sort of threat, but I think it's more profitable to look at what the experiences are actually saying.
Okay, again, this is, to me, doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
If you're telepathic and you can predict the future, and I'm telepathic and I can predict the future, how can you possibly have a war between you and me?
If I can tell what you're going to do and you can tell what I'm going to do, how can you have a war?
I know who's going to win the war.
I know I'm going to die.
Why would I start the war?
The idea of telepathic beings, that's the whole idea about telepathy, is that if a politician stands up, you know when he's lying.
It's very hard to start war if you're telepathic.
This doesn't make any sense to me that telepathic.
If you're telepathic, I believe you have to understand that everything's connected.
And that's the whole thing.
That's the Ronald Reagan thing, how the world would unite if we were facing a threat from an alien nation.
This whole idea that everything is connected.
Telepathy means we're connected, that we all are a part of a hologram.
It's a big, huge hologram, and that if I want to read your mind, everything is in me, is in you.
I just go into me and get your information from the hologram.
And so everything is that if you're telepathic, in fact, Ben Rich, part of my download was a statement made by Ben Rich when Jan Hartson, the international director of Mufon, asks him.
He said, Ben, he had a very close encounter at nine years old.
He became fascinated with UFOs, wanted to be an electrical engineer, wanted to know about propulsion.
So he asked Ben Rich, who ran Lockheed Skunkworks, SR-71, U-2, the drones, all that kind of stuff.
He said to Ben, Ben, I need to know how did they get here?
How does it work?
And Ben turned around and he said, let me ask you a question.
What do you know about ESP?
And Jan Hartson said, I didn't expect a question.
So he said, I replied, it means everything in time and space is connected.
And Ben Rich said, that's how it works.
Walked out of the building, got in his car, and drove away.
And you get this over and over again: this whole thing about the connectedness, that they may actually, like entangle space, they may actually be able to just move through time and space like an entangled particle.
They're in one part of the universe, and then they can move to the other part instantaneously if everything's connected.
If they're just moving through a hologram, that's where I say that you've got to start looking at what the experiences are saying and look at this from a different perspective from quantum physics and this kind of stuff.
And you start to understand that they just understand better how the universe works, that we're making a lot of false assumptions about how things work.
And the aliens are not magic.
They just understand a few things that we don't know.
And one of the key ones is this whole idea, the difference between us and an alien, the main difference is we are not telepathic, and they are.
Let me sort of run through the numbers for all of you so that if you have a question for Grant Cameron, and he certainly knows a lot about abduction, doesn't he?
You can ask it.
The public number for all of you is area code 952-225-5278.
952-225-5278, or call art, if you will.
And of course, for Skype, if you're in North America, the U.S. and Canada, it's M-I-T-D-51.
M-I-T-D-5-1.
Internationally, outside of North America, it is MITD 55.
M-I-T-D 5-5.
Ring that number, and you're ringing me.
If I don't answer right away, keep ringing.
And that applies to the regular phone number as well.
So, Grant, if I can bring you back and say, do you think you can compact your answers a little bit so we can get through some calls?
I was just a big fan of your show, and I used to listen to it on satellite, and I was wondering if there was ever a chance that you're going to go back to satellite radio.
I've done the tests for the implants, that sort of stuff.
It comes up negative.
I had one experience in April of 1976 where I had an experience where the Oz effect type thing took place where absolute riveting fear lasted for about five minutes.
There was a slight movement in the craft right above the car as if they were cutting it, like almost like cutting a film.
At that point, something may have happened, but I have no messages, no abduction-type phenomena that people report.
Okay, yes, but if you got a test, you said you had a test, you must have, you know, you must have thought that something occurred to you, and that's why you got the test.
I've always wanted to find some kind of correlation between the alien phenomena and our traditional religions and superstitions as far as demons and ghosts and things like that go.
How do you relate those two concepts?
How does the alien thing reconcile with the notion of other notions of supernatural entities?
I give a lecture, a consciousness lecture, which says that everything's together.
You have a conscious mind and you have consciousness itself, which the aliens are just outside the conscious mind.
They live in the dream world.
They live in the same world as spirits, all this sort of stuff.
And I think it's all connected.
Once you cut off the conscious mind, whether it's through meditation or different methods that we can do, you can go into this other type of world where all these higher frequency beings and spirits and stuff exist.
I believe it's all connected.
It's all the same thing.
It's just outside the conscious left ego mind that we basically operate in the human world.
Usually the people who start the religions or who write this stuff get some sort of inspiration.
So I have my download experience, and a lot of people, I've actually written a manuscript where I talk about different types of inspirations that people get, songs that are given all the Nobel Prizes that came in dreams and stuff like that.
That there is this kind of inspiration thing.
So people of various religions are going to get inspirations.
Say, you may get a guy who in the early years, like Terrence McKinna talks about, magic mushrooms, where the guy takes magic mushrooms and suddenly gets an enlightenment experience where he leaves his conscious mind and suddenly sees all this stuff and they say, well, you're the smart guy.
We'll make you the shaman.
And so I think that's where a lot of religious ideas come from, is where people are able to break the filter, the conscious mind filter, and move into this sort of other world and pick up material from the spirit world or from wherever.
I'd like to mention, first of all, that you've heard of the phenomenon where someone has used an e-craft and has that experience, and then later they find out that they've been abducted.
I wonder, in some ways, if that hasn't happened to me, but...
Because I have had an experience, but there is nothing past that experience at a young age that makes me think it's happened again.
Well, it depends how much they want to know about it, because once you open the door through regression, you can't close the door again.
So you have to be prepared to go down that road.
If it's not bothering you, I would say just leave it.
If it bothers you enough, I would say record what you're doing.
Definitely record the story that's happening to you and talk about it.
We have experiencer groups all over the country now where people will go and talk, and you'll come across people in those experiencer groups who are telling your story.
You gain support from there.
Regression is always a route you can go to go to a particular event that you remember.
But I was wondering about past life regression and how that might relate in the abduction and also what they may think about the world the way it is now.
I just want to say, first off, that in the entire UFO community, this whole afterdark community, you are the only one that I really trust that you're coming on here to do a good job of finding truth.
Well, a lot of them may be trustworthy, but I'm appreciative.
Thank you.
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Well, you know, anybody who's working on, for my, you know, the way I feel, on network radio or network TV is working for the agenda that we're all pretty much trying to uncover.
And so that leads to my question for your guest is this.
Sure.
There is a lady, I've watched some videos on YouTube of a lady in the 90s who came out saying that a lot of what she was finding about the gray alien UFO, oh, you know, the abduction phenomenon is a false memory implant.
And that soon after that, she came up with a very mysterious form of cancer and died very quickly.
And I've seen over the years that all the conspiracy theories, the government goes right after those people that they really don't want that information to get out.
They don't want you looking in that direction.
They kill them.
Happened with the 9-11 towers, happened with Roswell, happened with the Kennedy assassination, and who knows what countless things.
So my question is, could this, if it is, and I don't know because I haven't made a decision, if this is a false memory scenario where they're putting implants in people just like they've been doing in animals for years and it appears to be the same kind of implant, could it be hiding the fact that we're either,
like James Gates, the science advisor for Obama says, living in a computer code simulated reality and that the barrier might be the Arctic Circle or the Antarctic that we can't get beyond because there are stories of like Admiral Byrd and people going can't get past that barrier, and that the whole sky above us with the sun and the moon and the stars is really a hologram.
I think these ships can move the way they do because like a laser pointer.
I get my dog to run after a laser pointer all day long because she's just looking at this light that's making no sound.
It appears, it disappears, it goes on and off, it flickers in and out, and it can move at astonishing speeds.
So that's my question.
Do you think this is a false implant or part of it is it's a false implair theory hiding the fact that we're either enclosed in a barrier on top of maybe a larger object and really unable to get in space or that we're in a computer simulation?
All I can say from my own personal experience, I've been in this for 40 years.
I have never been threatened by anybody.
And I chased the president.
I chased the head scientist for the CIA.
I've never been threatened by anybody.
And I've never had a deep throat witness who is going to come to me and say, I'm going to violate my security oath and tell you what's going on.
I can just from my own personal experience.
So I always have doubts about, you know, the government knocking off UFO researchers and stuff like that, because I've never had anything even close to a threat.
And I've got a oramal message from Duncan all the way in New Zealand, really.
Art, has Grant ever spoken with former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellier regarding his call for world governments to disclose the ET existence to the public?
I ask you if you agree with my observation that very much of the information about one kind of alien, if there are more than one, but one kind, is that they are talking just like a Buddhist, just like a Tibetan Buddhist.
Tibetan Buddhists are not worried about what happens to the world.
They will not intervene into people's lives or major catastrophes that are oncoming.
They just stand back and meditate.
There are many, many factors that Buddhism has talked about for 2,000 years that theoretical physics, quantum physics, is now finally creeping up on.
So my question is, how do you see and could you possibly direct more people toward the study of Buddhism to connect with the physics and with the alien discussions?
Yeah, I actually wanted to talk about the universe as a hologram topic.
A couple years ago, I read that they had discovered the Higgs-Boson particle, and it behaved exactly the way they thought that it would, only it had no mass.
And subsequently, they all freaked out that essentially proved that this was all some sort of simulation.
And then immediately that article went away and I never found it again.
If you can bend space, then you get there really quickly.
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That is true.
Yeah, there's that zero-point documentary, the Mark McAndlish thing, where they discuss that and faster-than-light travel and how it's possible, et cetera, et cetera.
And that kind of opened up a whole new realm of understanding for faster-than-light travel and that sort of thing.
Well, really quick thing, I want to say hi to Dave and the X Paranormal Award.
And my first question is, is it possible, I have to write these down, isn't it possible that maybe we're like one of those cargo cults that are in the Pacific?
You know, like, say that we're like a big pea tree dish and the Earth was like a dead planet, like they're terraforming in Star Trek.
And we were seated here as an experiment.
And that's why you have all these different alien races, the greys, the reptilians.
Maybe, perhaps it's like stimulus and response.
And some cultures were wiped out.
Others were given technological advances to see where it would take us.
Perhaps even the guests that you have on now, perhaps that's even part of one of their experiments, a thought experiment to see what these people who are contacted will do and the rest of us.
I would ask to call her to make sure she writes all this kind of stuff down and documents this.
This is much more common than people think it is.
And I actually wrote this manuscript where I go through Nobel Prizes.
I go through the concept of Google came in a dream.
You know, the theory of relativity came in a dream.
This is very, very common that people are getting downloads through dreams, you know, musicians and stuff like that.
It's very, very common.
And that's why I say it's so important to look at, rather than watching lights in the sky or caring about what the government is doing, is to look at these experiencers and learn from the experiencers, from this woman that's calling in right now.
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This is Dark Matter News.
Hi, I'm Asia Bell, and it's very late, so I'm sleeping now.
But yo, wake up, call my daddy, because he's awake, too.
As to cattle mutilations, I look at who would be the most likely to leave half a cow, like this mutilated cow, in plain view.
And I would say that it's not the government, because the government would take it and dump it.
If the aliens wanted it for genetic material, they could take it and keep it.
I always go to this thing about leaving messages.
The cats, I can't really explain, but when it comes to the cattle mutilations, when I see that, I just see a message because most of them are downrange from nuclear power plants and places like that.
And I say it's just a message.
They want people to take pictures.
They want this message to think something's going on here.
Grant, I really want to ask you this, and it's going to be a hard question for you.
Are you sure that when you hear these things that are negative, and frankly, there are a lot of things about aliens and encounters and abductions and the whole range that do or would have to be seen negatively?
Are you sure that you don't, I don't know, lock them out because you don't want to believe that?
So I have a question for Grant, and I also have something that might be of interest regarding the other show from before with Nassim.
But first, a question for Grant.
So maybe linked to the other caller from Asia who talked about Buddhism.
Back in the 90s, I was camping at the Sendia Peak in New Mexico, and I experienced an abduction over there.
So we used to lock our tent before going to sleep.
The mountain lions that night were going crazy.
And the day after, when we woke up, the locks were open and laying inside the tent next to the net.
So I was talking to my ex-girlfriend and I was asking her, like, hey, did you go to the bathroom or what happened?
She said, no, I just stayed in.
So it was a bit of a mystery.
And when we walked outside, I was going to make some pancakes in the morning.
She said, what's this on your shoulder over there?
And it was like the red dots in the shape of a pyramid.
So they were perfectly mathematically aligned.
They stayed for about four days.
And when you had your other collar on here about Buddhism in Thailand, it just struck me that whenever we go into a cab over here, the cab becomes blessed.
So they have these dots painted in the shape of a pyramid on the ceiling, on the roof of the cab, just for good luck.
So first of all, I wanted to ask Grant over here, have you ever heard this kind of story before that somebody has left these marks on their shoulder?
It's probably the most common mark that's left, is this triangle mark, either sort of a triangle filled in or like the three dots that form the triangle.
It's very, very common.
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Okay, thank you.
Another thing, the point I wanted to make about the show with Nassim and about how can we communicate like with the new planet at the Kepler 452B or something.
There might be a way actually, because we're always thinking like it takes over a thousand years to get there.
When Nassim talked about these entangled particles, that if we can separate them, we can move them anywhere.
I wanted to know, Terrence McKenna came up earlier, and he talks about in some of his DMT explorations running into what he describes as self-transforming machine elves.
And I wonder if maybe Grant thinks that might be a more accurate or better way of thinking about or conceiving of aliens?
And I've done this manuscript and I do the different types of downloads.
And the one chapter I do is on psychedelics.
And yes, psychedelics is the same thing.
It's breaking the conscious mind.
It's ripping the filter and allowing you to move out of the conscious mind into this non-local world, the dream world, and pick up this type of information.
It's exactly the same thing.
It's the same thing as meditation.
It's just a faster sort of sidestepping way of doing it.
Well, if you're going to make that analogy with other planets, is there something on this earth where we had the Japanese who were totally evil, and we dropped two atomic bombs on them, and then suddenly the evil evaporated, and suddenly they're great guys, and we're trading with them, and they're our friends.
Evil changes from time to time.
We have this impression that we put evil on a nation, and then we have a right to go and bomb them and kill them.
And I'm saying there really is no evil nation.
There is no nation.
There are people who do good and bad things for whatever reasons.
But there are no evil nations where everybody in that nation is evil.
John Mack had gone and interviewed these children, and one of them has now come public with all her paintings and her experience and the downloads that she got from the aliens.
And they're now putting together a documentary of whatever kids are now in their 30s talking about what happened to them and the messages they got.
So there is a documentary that is being done as we speak.
There is a very long delay between about 30 seconds between here and there.
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Okay.
Okay, great, great.
Well, great.
Glad to have you back, Art.
We love you very much.
Thank you.
And Grant, just wondering, this is kind of a cross-genre question, but people evolved on the planet Earth seem to be capable of communicating with souls that have passed away, physically passed away.
Is it possible aliens are not intervening and are evolved past us and maybe because of a sense of spirituality?
And is it not possible some of our ghost contacts are actually, I mean, do they have spirits?
Do they have souls?
And is it possible that they are some of the ghosts that we encounter?
76% of experiencers claim encounters with ghosts and spirits.
Again, it's all connected.
You're interacting with this world, that the experiencers are able to get into this world through dreams, through whatever, and they're interacting.
Like a lot of experiencers will talk, once they've had their experience, they'll talk about the shadow people in the houses.
They'll talk about the fact that they're able to heal people, that they can see auras, that they're seeing ghosts.
All this paranormal phenomena starts happening around them.
And it's almost like they rip the filter and all this stuff starts to enter.
It's all connected.
It's just moving out of this physical mindset that we have.
And you start encountering the rest of consciousness, the rest of the universe, which is not the physical world.
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Excellent.
And one other quick point, if I might, and that is, isn't it possible, if not probable, that many of the alien encounters that people experience are not with organic beings, but that if the aliens are so evolved that they can create what would be the ultimate robot that can withstand the physical rigors of space travel?
I would say if I were to guess, I would say that the majority, you even had our first guest when he was talking about the school kids where people come in balls of light.
I believe that I would not be surprised if all of this stuff is almost like spiritual type beings, that there really, not going to really be any aliens.