Ronnie Rennae Foster ("Angel Girl") and Laura Lee Mistycah ("Witchy Woman"), with 30+ years of ghostbusting expertise, link Elisa Lam’s 2015 death to a "shove-in" possession by a dark entity exploiting hotel security flaws. Using Almoracite stones and psychic techniques, they resolve cases like the Amargosa Hotel’s trapped souls, including a malevolent atheist spirit softened by childhood trauma. Foster’s Aztec medicine training and remote viewing—validated by Daniel Brinkley’s near-death research—contrasts with caller skepticism, while Mistycah ties heightened psychic sensitivity to first-wave indigos (1969–1987) and "crystal children." Ghosts, they argue, disrupt electromagnetic fields, but compassionate suicides cross peacefully, unlike those stuck in time loops. Their book Got Ghosts offers tools like grid rocks to cleanse spirits, from Zodiac Killer energy to endangered animal souls manifesting as manta rays. Ultimately, their work bridges science and metaphysics, framing hauntings as unresolved energy requiring active intervention. [Automatically generated summary]
That should make for quite a combination, I would say.
Some pretty interesting stuff on top, I guarantee.
Well, there was no default, and that's good.
And our government is back open again.
I don't know if that's good or bad.
It just is.
By the way, our friends at Sirius XM are working diligently and hard, they tell me, at during this cutoff problem that those of you that are streaming are having.
I understand the frustration.
Truly, I do.
All right, the standard reminders for October Ghost Picture Contest.
Guess what?
It ends Sunday.
If you want to get in on the Ghost Picture Contest, coming to you as a winner.
I say again as a winner, judged by this audience, because you can go up there and vote, or you're going to be able to.
It all ends at noon Sunday, so if you don't have your ghost photograph in, you don't stand a chance of winning a Sirius XM radio brand new and a year's subscription to the service.
So if you've got a good ghost picture, now is the time to send it through the porthole to webmaster at artbell.com.
That's the address you send it to.
Webmaster at artbell.com.
Ghost stories?
Oh, yes.
Yes, Spooky Matters is going to be the name of our Halloween show.
And if you've got a ghost story, then here's the way it's going to work.
Send me a very brief summary of your ghost story.
Brief is good.
And include your phone number.
And then on Spooky Matter night, we'll call you.
We'll call you.
So if you have a ghost story, send it to artbell at artbell.com, artbell at artbell.com.
You've got a lot of reason to go to artbell.com, and I'm going to give them to you right now.
The first one is, I think, breaking news.
I got it.
Somebody put it on my timeline, and I went, oh, my God.
It is a NASA photograph of a UFO.
A UFO, by definition, is an unidentified flying object.
And believe me, this is unidentified.
Now, there are some who said that NASA pulled the photograph.
I don't know.
It was taken back in January of 2013, and it is too clear.
So I'm sure many of you out there will say, it's got to be Photoshopped, right?
I don't know.
It's mind-boggling.
No question about it.
Mind-boggling.
And it's at artbell.com right now.
NASA took the photograph.
So if you have arguments with the clarity of the photograph or the province of the photograph, argue with NASA.
Does that make sense?
I really, really suggest you take a look at artbill.com and whoever put that on my Facebook timeline, thank you.
Now the next thing is going to concern my guests tonight.
And I'm almost hesitant to send you to my website to see this because this thing scared me.
I don't scare easily, but this scared the hell out of me, honestly.
It involves the following story sent to me by somebody identifying himself as Steve only.
But we all know the story is true.
We just didn't have all these details.
Now, I guess I'll read the story first, all right?
First off, says Steve Roswells.
Thank you, Steve.
Been listening to you, he's dead, for over a decade.
Love the show.
Have something here you really need to take a look at.
It happened recently at the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles, which is most infamous for being the hotel that Richard the Night Stalker Ramirez made his residence.
Serial killer, right?
He goes on, in any event, my email is concerning the mysterious death of Canadian tourist Elisa Lam.
Lamb, who was only 21 years old, was last seen at the Cecil Hotel on January 31, according to L.A. police.
Her parents reported her missing, and sadly, her body was discovered nude and floating in the water tower of that hotel, a drinking source for residents, where she apparently had been for two weeks.
Now, if you can believe it, here's where the story gets really disturbing.
Lamb's final moments were caught on the elevator security camera at the hotel.
The footage I'm linking to you was taken moments before her death.
Moments.
In it, you're going to see Lamb acting very strangely, mind you.
No drugs or alcohol were ever found in her system at all.
She appears to be running or maybe hiding from someone or something.
Most perplexing about the video is that the door stays open the entire time, nearly four minutes.
Then Lamb contorts into some really frightening way that has to be seen to be described, and the elevator door is finally shut, then open and shut several times before the video ends.
Watch the video, then I'll tell you about how this story gets even stranger.
And I'll just tell you now.
The video is on my website.
It is, it's going to send chills up and down your back, folks, as you watch it.
And you've got to watch the whole thing.
You really do.
Last moments of this girl's life.
Anyway, Steve goes on.
A maintenance worker discovered the body while looking into complaints about the water pressure in the building.
Oh, God.
Guests had been drinking and bathing with that water contaminated by a body that had been decomposing for two weeks.
So how did she get there?
The water tower on top of that building was 15 feet high and locked.
To gain access to said tower, Lam would have had to have passed silently through two locked and alarmed doors first.
Apparently, she did so somehow.
All doors were still locked.
That's after her death.
No alarms were ever tripped.
There are hundreds of stories about this on the internet reported by every reputable news agency there is.
Some people say she was possessed or perhaps attacked by a ghost.
If this is the case, then it's the only known footage of such an occurrence.
And then he provides yet more links to the same story.
And what I'm recommending to you, if you can handle it, is that you go to rbell.com, and there's no audio with a video.
And then, of course, we will consult with my upcoming guests on the matter.
They should be well qualified to look into it.
My guests consist of Ronnie Renee Foster and Laura Lee Mystica.
Hope I got that right.
So, Ronnie Renee Foster, also known as Angel Girl, has been, and she's the good one.
Good cop, bad cop, right?
Angel Girl, has been involved in the world of metaphysics and spirituality for over 30 years.
She has a BA in psychology and her certification as an emergency medical technician.
The past 15 years, Ronnie has been president of the Spokane chapter of the Twilight Brigade, Compassion in Action.
That's Daniel Brinkley's hospice volunteer organization that serves the dying.
She is now a national trainer.
Receiving her insights and inspiration from the angelic realm, rather, Ronnie is a teacher, empath, intuitive counselor, medium, professional, international ghostbuster.
Professional international ghostbuster.
I love that.
And Laura Lee Mystica, aka witchy woman.
Witchy woman.
Yeah.
She's a solitary practitioner in Wicca, as well as other magical and spiritual methods, but recently has morphed into more of a futuristic sorceress in her efforts to outwit the dark lords who hijack this planet.
By developing her own magic rituals and tools, she is able to reverse spells, curses, black magic, voodoo, and is skilled in clearing all types of psychic, organic, and metallic implants using Amorocyte, I believe it is, the stone of truth and justice.
Laura Lee has been a professional Ghostbuster with her partner Ronnie now for over a decade.
What a duo, huh?
And is the author and publisher of three books and the creator of three websites.
So I would like to start by bringing the Ghostbuster gals on the air and say hello to both of you.
And their producer had called to see if we could do two hours instead of one, because the last four years they gave us one hour, and now they were going to increase us to two hours, and we were pretty happy about that.
Look, girls, I want to thank you for your integrity.
I'm serious about that.
I want to thank you for your integrity.
I guess it was Tom that called you, but, you know, I just don't understand it.
There are such strange things going on.
Actually, even before I started the show and then after the show, they were moving guests around it just before, the night before our guests and stuff like that.
And I even spoke to Richard C. Hoagland recently.
And, you know, he hasn't heard from that other show since Richard has been here on Dark Matter.
Not even a word, not even a hello.
And so I don't get it.
Anyway, Ray, I want to thank you very, very much for your integrity.
And I do want to note that even though I guess it was Tommy you mentioned that called you, George has publicly said that he controls who gets on and who doesn't get on his show as far as guests are concerned.
Well, I do agree that the video is very disturbing.
And even as a ghostbuster, the first thing I try to do is find a rational explanation.
I try to stay away from ghosts as an answer.
And as I tried to do that, my angels told me, mm-mm, there are some ghosts at play here.
As I watched it, for some reason, the word serial killer came to my mind.
I wasn't sure why and what was going on.
And it wasn't until after that I learned that there were a couple serial killers that stayed at that hotel that it started to make sense.
But here's what I believe did not happen.
I do not think a ghost killed her and picked her up and took her through all those gates and brought her up to the tower and dropped her in there.
I don't think it was a ghost.
Now, that being said, because one of the hits I got was it's somebody that worked at the hotel.
But then I looked at that and went, oh, something's not quite right there.
So what I determined, and this is just from my own perspective, was that there was a ghost, and it was the ghost of a serial killer, which then brought that into play, that was influencing a physical human being that worked there in a way of possession.
And the reason that he targeted Elisa was that she reminded him of a prostitute that had crossed him a long time ago.
About what we, and this is in our book called Got Ghosts, we have a definition of terminology and what people would call a possession, we call a shove-in, where a spirit will literally shove into a body and take the microphone and they're in charge.
So, and the resident being that's in there, sometimes they try to get the microphone back, and sometimes they just stay in the background because they're scared, and sometimes they leave.
And so we feel like whoever was working at the hotel was influenced by a shove-in, and we both felt like they don't even know about what happened.
If you ask them what happened on that day, they probably couldn't even tell you because they can't remember because they weren't there.
But there is a conglomerate of very, very powerful and manipulative beings in the universe that I call cryptos.
And they are crypto.
And they use encryptions to change and manipulate and control things.
And this whole scenario had crypto written all over it.
And if you look at what the outcomes of this bizarre incident were, it's total fear and disbelief.
And it's like Ronnie and I were discussing earlier.
Ronnie was detecting a portal there that was, she described it really funny, like it's a candy store for these really horrible, nasty beings that are trying to cause mayhem here.
And so what happens is through this portal, all sorts of horrible things happen.
I mean, when you just sit and quietly watch that video, you realize that you're watching somebody not under the influence of drugs or alcohol and somebody not in control of themselves at all.
Well, then I was checking to see is she in a spirit trap?
And I was getting, no, but there's something else at play here.
And it's like there's a puppet master that is controlling a whole lot of people to do a whole lot of really dark, dark stuff.
Now, the thing is, in order to unravel the mystery, they have a whole bunch of checks and balance systems and booby traps, and you have to know where the tripwires are.
You have to be really savvy in order to go in.
It's like I told Ronnie, I've got to get really clear before I try to go in and help her because some really crazy stuff is going on with this.
Fortunately, they don't mess with me because I'm the angel girl and she, I call her the queen of weird Stuff.
The queen of weird stuff because it's her expertise, and that's why she does take on the dark.
You were so right when you said good cop, bad cop, because, you know, I'm the good little sweet angel, and I work with the real, just regular ghosts that are very easy to deal with.
Oh, I can, because a lot of people, they don't really understand what a ghost is.
And so from our experience, and I always want to give a disclaimer, okay, so we've been doing this together for 10 years and have experience for 30 years, but we know we don't have all the answers, and we don't think anybody does.
But from our experience, a ghost is something that is attached to a physical human being.
So when a physical person dies, as they say, but we don't believe in death, the soul leaves the body.
And there are two things that can actually happen.
You know, if they had like a really decent life and they don't have a lot of fear and they're good people with positive foundational beliefs about the afterlife or whatever.
And so what happens is they cross over, and we say cross over because there's a tunnel.
There's a tunnel that forms when every single person makes their transition.
And if they have that good life and they have good, they don't have any real unresolved issues, they've got love and compassion or peace, if they're around in that, then they see that tunnel home.
And they can have escorts.
It could be the angels.
It could be their loved ones that come to get them.
It could be their pets.
And it takes them to, quote unquote, the other side.
Now, if a person dies with a lot of pain, extreme fear, in shock, in guilt, a lot of anger, a lot of resentment, unresolved issues, all that stuff, the lower vibrational stuff, they don't get to see the tunnel home even though it's there.
They're in so much fear that they just don't get to see it, and they get trapped between the worlds.
So, in your opinion, a ghost could be a person who has died.
They may not even realize they're dead at first.
Oh, yeah.
And then I guess whatever is, would this be true, gals, that whatever they were in life, you know, a nice person or a grumpy person and an angry person, they're same thing on the other side?
And that was what I was trying to say, is that this puppet master thing going on was it's like she would go in and out of being controlled by this puppet master.
And then, like Ronnie said, she was knocked out, and that's when she was taken up to the tower.
It's my premise that now that we have more cameras and cell phone cameras and things, that we're going to be seeing a lot more of this kind of bizarre activity.
We've had a spate of crimes in recent years that's been accelerating or quickening, if you will, that when you hear about the crime, you shake your head.
I mean, there was a time when people, you know, committed crimes like robbing banks because that's where the money is.
I mean, they had motive.
But in recent years, we've had so many crimes where you just go, what the hell?
He walked into a school and started shooting a bunch of people.
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All right, gals, welcome back.
Just one more question, by the way, about this booking deal.
Did they offer to re-book you on the show at a later date?
You know, I was hoping that they would since we've had a history with them.
And I called Tom and left a message that's virtually said, we're doing the Art Bell Show, the Dark Matter Show, but maybe we could do another show with you guys in November or December because ghosts are not around just at Halloween.
They're everywhere, all the time.
So I didn't hear anything back.
Nothing.
Nothing.
And that's what was so disappointing.
unidentified
If he had said, well, you can't do this October system.
I don't think you're making too much out of it, but it wasn't the man himself.
It was the entity that took over through his eyes.
It was almost so weird because the vision I got was this regular guy who really was kind of a little creepy anyway, but just still a human being, was then taken over by this evil puppet master type crypto thing.
And through his eyes, I saw her in the vision look at his eyes, and there was almost like a mesmerization that went on.
And she saw the evil.
She saw the dark black evilness.
And she freaked.
But he had that control.
The minute she looked in his eyes, he then was able to do his little puppet master thing.
And those hands started ringing and swaying and doing things.
Deborah Ann, this is, writes, I can get messages while I'm on the air through something called the wormhole.
If they go to my website, they can send a message.
It appears here.
And one has just appeared from Deborah.
I won't give her last name, but she says, and I join her in this, by the way, she says, when I watched the Lamb video, there appears to be an energy field in the elevator.
It is stronger when the door is closed.
Now, maybe it's just a lighting effect, but I saw it too.
At the time, I said, oh, God, look at that in the dark.
And we were detecting a portal in that hotel, but the portal was not in the elevator shaft.
and it could move.
Sometimes portals will phase in and phase out, but it wasn't, I don't feel that it was in the elevator per se, but I feel like what Ronnie said, when you're dealing with all this very interesting electromagnetic energy, it can make real changes with video equipment.
You know, it's something that I saw, and I said to myself, yeah, that might just be an artifact, but I noticed it, and then I got this message, somebody else noticed it, and you noticed it.
So if all of us are noticing this, then maybe there is something to it.
It's a good time, I guess, to ask, have you come across a demon?
And what do you think a demon is?
It seems to go right with what we're talking about, or it might.
And so far in our ghostbustings, we have not come across what the Bible might call a demon.
But we have come across very, very, very dark, dark entities.
And it goes back to that asshole thing.
If they're very controlling and they're egocentric and they want that power and control and they're so attached to that power and control, they take it with them to the other side.
And one case where we were called in, and you might be familiar with this art, it was the Amargosa Hotel and Opera House.
It was one of the most haunted places we'd ever seen in our entire life.
And there were a lot of entities there, but one not only controlled the people, and he would push people down, and he would cause accidents, and he would do terrible things, but he also controlled all the other ghosts.
So very tyrannical.
And when we were taking a little tour in the back, where it was really dark and closed in, and it was pretty spooky, we walked into this room, and I heard, as loud as can be in my ear, get out.
We've got our little space rock with us, and we had a group of people there, and we were holding hands.
You know, we're in a circle, and I went around and rubbed these rocks together so that everybody could have some in their hands because they kind of sparkle off.
Anyway, so you have this rock, and we have this rock, and we're in a circle, and we've got this ghost, and all of a sudden, he starts ranting and carrying on.
And I had put him in this device that we call a cryogenetics egg.
You can see that on our website.
It looks like an egg with a DNA halynx going down the center of it and some geometric shapes on the outside.
Yeah, so what was happening, now I'm trying to remember, because this has been like 10 years or 12, this is like in 2001 or something, it was a long time ago.
So part of us were in a circle out under the full moon, right?
Classy.
And all of a sudden, because I had thought several times, I said, you know, Ronnie, people say, have you ever seen a ghost?
And I'm like, not really.
But when we were at the Amargosa, all of a sudden from behind, they had like an old gas station that wasn't used anymore.
This guy was kind of lurking around there and acting really funny.
I thought, who is that weird guy?
And then all of a sudden he starts making a B line over toward our circle.
Now, who's going to do that?
I mean, you know, we're obviously doing some kind of a ceremony, and he just makes a B line over and starts yelling and talking about just incidental things.
You know, hey, how are you doing?
What's going on here?
So the woman that was the manager of the hotel, she said, I'm going to go take care of him.
It's Eduardo.
You guys do not break the circle.
Do not stop doing what you're doing.
So she goes and says, oh, hi, Eduardo.
Let me take you in and we'll get you a cup of coffee.
And she's talking to him.
And we're like, okay, we're glad that that disturbance is over and we carry on.
Well, the interesting thing is one of the members of our group was sitting in front of the hotel just kind of watching everything.
He didn't want to be a part of this because it kind of scared him.
And we don't, you know, we're used to that because we do a lot of things within our mind and our thinking because we know how important thoughts really are and creativity and imagination if you imagine it.
Yes, we do too, because what happened, we're out there, and again, it's dark, and one of the ladies wanted to move into the hotel, and I felt like I needed to follow her.
And then Kathy was still there, and we went into this corridor that was dark, and there was no air, and there was no windows, and it was all rubble and a mess.
And we told her that the mean ghost was knocked out so that we could help the rest of the ghosts leave.
Now, she'd already had three or four people try to remove the ghosts from the Amargotha.
She had promised them that she would get help.
Not one of them was successful.
So I opened up a portal that literally was connected to what Loralie was doing outside across the way.
And we did this calling all ghosts kind of thing.
I know that sounds funny, but we did.
We psychically, telepathically gave an invitation for all the ghosts that wanted to leave to go enter this portal and connect with the bigger portal we had outside.
Well, let me tell you something.
I've never been so shocked and freaked in my life because all of a sudden we could feel the ghosts moving past us.
We could literally, the hair on the back of our necks were standing up and it would go whoosh.
And it would just whoosh past us as they left.
And there was no air, there was no windows, there was no nothing.
The interesting thing about this is as these ghosts were coming through the portal that I was holding open on the outside, I saw this ghost, and she started to go through the portal and then stopped and turned around.
Because you see, when we cross most ghosts, we don't make them go anywhere.
It's not something we force them to do.
And so what we found, if we can find something that they loved and bring them down the portal, because if we create a portal to the other side, if we bring them back through the portal, it might help that ghost go.
I'll tell you, if you ever encounter Matthew Alper, you're going to have a time on your hands.
In other words, if somebody, I get it.
If somebody is an atheist, if they simply don't believe one way or the other, as a ghost, as somebody stuck here, they're not going to be interested in an invitation to go elsewhere at all.
So we get him to the hospital, and he was, you know, by the time I got there and my teacher got there, he was already on a table, and they were cutting a hole in his chest to do open heart massage.
So of course, my teacher just grabs me by the shoulder, sticks me right up front to watch this hole being cut in this side of his chest.
And that's when, all of a sudden, I felt at the corner of the room, the top corner of the room, this confusion.
And I thought, what the heck is that?
And it was this man, and he's going, what's happening to me?
I don't know what's going on.
I'm so confused.
And he was watching himself.
So I thought, oh, I don't know about this.
This was a long, this was like in 1984 before all these books were written.
And I thought, oh, there's something wrong with me if I'm hearing this guy.
There are many, many stories told about those who take their own lives.
Now, I don't know how I feel about it myself.
I guess I frequently said to myself, and I don't know if this is wrong or not, maybe you gals can Tell me.
And that is, if you had a disease that was horribly painful and was going to be a long, drawn-out death, then I don't know that taking your life is that irrational.
And I'll leave it at that and throw it back in your court.
You know, it's all circumstantial and it depends on how things were in their life and the circumstances.
And so, you know, you can't really judge, you know, and say, I know a lot of religions tell people that if they take their own life, it's like murder.
Well, we don't really believe that because there are certain circumstances where it's a very loving, compassionate thing for those that you're leaving behind to not have to watch you waste away.
She felt she was unworthy because she killed her unborn baby.
That's the first thing she did.
The baby was actually born in a tub.
I saw that claw-footed tub, the vision of it.
And like a year later, they actually showed me that claw-footed tub on another floor of the mansion that I didn't even know was there.
But anyway, I digress.
She had the baby.
It was the master of the house that had impregnated her, and she felt that she would not be able to have that baby.
So she was Irish Catholic, killed the baby in the tub, and then threw the baby out, wrapped it in white towels, went downstairs, threw the baby out with the trash.
Well, the thing that freaked her out so much was the guilt.
Not that she killed her baby, but she didn't give the baby a proper burial.
This is what was going on in her mind.
It was like so bizarre.
And so she went a few days later, paced again back and forth, back and forth, and then went in the tub and killed herself.
So they kept hearing that pacing, and it drove them crazy.
And so when I went up there, and this was my first solo ghostbusting, I saw her, I felt her, I knew what was going on.
I established that communication with her and helped her cross, but she didn't feel worthy.
I don't deserve to go back to God, was what she kept saying.
And I told her she did.
And finally, I got her to cross, and they never heard the pacing again.
So it's like, for the skeptics, it's like, so, you know, how'd that happen?
And I believe that when we cross, we do what's called a life review.
And those who know Daniel Brinkley's work, he talks extensively about life review, where you get to experience your life as though you were watching your best friend go through it.
So you get to feel the direct results of your interaction with somebody.
So if you hurt somebody really bad, you get a little bit of a break.
Thank you, because doing the hospice work and sitting at the bedside of somebody that's dying is one of the greatest gifts that I receive because I also know they're not going to become a ghost since I'm loving them into that next world.
I've had veterans die in my arms, and I've just loved them into that next place, and they die in ecstasy.
Okay, so I guess, if you'll excuse me, that before we leave the subject of suicide, what it comes down to, you're saying it's kind of like on a case-by-case basis.
It's kind of like the movie What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams many, many years ago.
Daniel said that really explains it perfectly.
So if you think it, you can create it, and you can also uncreate it.
But we found, in my belief, that God does not judge, God loves.
It's all about love.
Now, when you can talk to a veteran who's dying, who is so afraid because he knows he's done horrible things and he's killed people, and you can explain that it's all about the love over there, they can die in peace.
They can die in happiness.
They can die without that fear.
And that's why I do the hospice work, to help them cross without that fear.
Yes, they all started having they all knew that something was wrong with the house and there was a place in the basement that we called the skeleton closet.
And it was creepy.
It was like a fruit room, but there was an entity in there.
And just really weird things would happen.
The clothes in the laundry room would come out as if somebody had wrapped a string around them, and then they were all knotted together and really staticky.
And just some very, very strange things.
We would hear things, we would see things.
So I didn't know anything about anything.
And so what I started doing is putting psychic auto-reverse tape players in all of the rooms, in all of the closets.
And every once in a while, I would tune into it, and some of them would be taken out.
And I would keep redoing it.
And pretty soon everything started to change.
Now, this story is in the book, and so I'd like people to read that because it helps you understand that you can do something about your own house, and it tells how I did that.
And we had a toilet that would flush every night at 10 o'clock, and we called it our potty geist.
And, you know, five years ago, nobody knew what the 99% of the people are doing all the work and the 1% have all the money.
So it's really put it on the map, and they've done a tremendous job of changing people's perceptions and getting them to wake the heck up to what's really happening here.
That's one of the reasons Ronnie and I work so well together is when there's this really weird stuff, I have this psychic ability to know where these beings go, if it's alien or whatever it is, where they're supposed to head.
One time we did a ghost busting and we found a whole bunch of yetis.
They were white and beautiful, beautiful beings, and they had been killed by this is up in Canada.
I would like to ask you both again about alien spirits because that really is interesting.
I never even considered that, that if you're looking at the other side, as you two are apparently able to do, you wouldn't just see humans, you would see perhaps aliens as well.
Tell me whatever you can about what you've encountered that's alien.
You know, that's the number one rule in guide school.
Anyway, I found out is don't talk so fast.
And again, I found out from James von Prague there is one.
So he proceeded to tell me that when a person that they're guiding beats themselves up, tears themselves down, and really is hard on themselves, that it hurts their spirit guide.
And so he showed me how he had this light body, and then those negative thoughts about themselves, you know, the people that they love, that they're guiding, that they're helping, and they're having such, you know, the physical person's having such negative thoughts, it impinges upon their light body.
They actually can feel a pressure that's uncomfortable to them.
Soul, light bodies.
And then what we have found is on the other side, there are many different levels of places that people go depending on the level of evolution of their soul.
I've seen people fishing with a little cabin.
I've seen people going to the halls of knowledge and going to school.
I've seen people shopping.
I mean, you know, it's crazy, crazy things, but depending on the level of where you are and what you choose to create on that other side, you have that opportunity to do that.
It's like the place where I tap into and the ghosts that I tap into and the spirits I tap into are from this dimension and this world.
But I'm sensing that aliens from another planet have their own place that they go to where things are, you know, in their own ways, you know, the things that they understand and the things that they know it's created for them over there.
Well, yeah, to answer your question, there's as many different types of alien places that they go as there are aliens.
And I feel a little different than Ronnie does.
I can understand her one God perception.
But my belief or my perception, what I've gathered is that there were actually a huge committee that created this hologram that we're in, and so they would kind of be, we wouldn't call them gods, we just call them hologram creators.
So that kind of gets into some different theological perceptions.
Well, do you know science is experimenting with that right now?
Call it what you will.
Science actually believes it could be so, and they're trying to test it.
Hologram, matrix, whatever you want to call it.
If we are in it, I think it's going to come as a gigantic shock to a lot of people.
And you're suggesting that different creatures, different non-human creatures that pass may be in, in essence, their own hologram, and their death or their passing is satisfied in a different manner by what may be a different concept of God?
And there's so many different scenarios that are going on inside the hologram, and there's so many beings that are trying to manipulate the hologram and control it, and then control us here.
And it's just, you know, like a battle of wits and control.
That's exactly why the first wave indigos are here.
A lot of them came from outside the hologram as on the hologram rescue team to help try to put it back together again because it's like it got a huge virus and got really corrupted.
And the only way to fix it was to go inside the hologram to fix it.
Yeah, you know, something interesting that I think will really suspend the belief of your listeners is that when we do our ghost bustings, most of the time we don't go there.
We do our ghostbustings remotely.
We kind of sit in our own spaces and do ghostbustings around the world that way.
And have had just as much success than if we were actually physically there.
Well, earlier tonight when we began the show, and by the way, I want to send people to artbell.com too, if you haven't seen this yet, this incredible elevator video.
I know that you two sat down, I guess not together, but in a way together, and looked at that situation, right?
And when I finally came to, I told the doctors, you know, exactly what I saw, you know, they're working on me doing the stitching up and all that stuff.
They said a chemical in my brain got released, and that's why I could see what the doctors were doing, because I told them exactly what happened, what they did to me, and how I remember the ambush ride and everything.
And they just said, well, you know, when you die like that, it's a chemical gets released in the brain, and you believe you saw it.
But I know what I saw, and they just told me there was a chemical in my brain.
Well, you know what I was getting, and this is kind of weird, and I guess there's no way to confirm it, but I think your daughter was a twin in the womb, and the one twin didn't make it, but she did.
And this girl is her twin and stays with her, even though she doesn't have a physical body.
Well, I would let her know that what she's doing is fine and great, but be really careful about who she tells about it because it could be the subject of a lot of ridicule.
Just like this is real common for first-wave indigoes.
They always have friends that nobody else can see.
And so I would encourage her, but just make sure that she is real discreet about who she tells about it.
And that's interesting advice coming from you, too.
I think it's practical advice.
Whether you are, in fact, or are not seeing and talking to somebody who others perceive not to be there, it's wise counsel to say you're going to want to keep this to yourself.
Otherwise, in the real world, you're going to run into all kinds of problems, right?
With first-wave indigos, a lot of them have a lot of what I call X-Men abilities, and they shut them off because it scared people.
They could do amazing, amazing things, but they shut it off because it scared people.
And so then they come to me, and I have to help them work through the fear of that and turn them back on because they're supposed to learn how to use them, not shut them off.
My question was, I've done a lot of reading on this subject, and I'm right on board with what you women talk about and what you say is what things are.
And what my curiosity has always been is someone dies and they've passed on and it's talked about how we have a spirit guide to kind of help us and keep us moving in the direction we should in this life and what have you and sometimes try to help keep us out of harm's way.
So when a person passes over, I don't understand why they wouldn't want, why they seem to get stuck and there's not a spirit guide or an angel that would, you know, could give them some advice or guidance to get them where they need to go.
Why would someone want to get stuck here when they have such a limitless place to be able to move on to that's amazing?
Yeah, because like thoughts attract like thoughts.
So they don't really want to.
That's why we're trying to help people to learn about this so they don't become ghosts.
unidentified
I got another question.
Someone that is interested and would like to be able to speak with, like the two of you, do y'all ever do any kind of workshops or is there any way to be able to actually be able to sit in front of you and be able to ask you questions and understand more about the goings-on of, I guess you could say, life and death in a one-on-one conversation?
Oh, look, in real life, forget the other side, this side, you see an alien, and it's probably going to be so different that you're going to perceive it if it's a demon anyway, if it's in your world to do that.
If you're a very religious person, you're going to look at it that way.
They actually came all the way over here from England.
And they came to Spokane, and they had a resident psychic doing their work.
And so they took us on a tour of a very haunted place, the Bing Crosby Theater.
And we went down in the basement, and we would point out where we felt that there were ghosts over here, not over here, over here, all through the place.
And when we were done, they then told us that their host had taken his little EVP meter and found ghosts at the exact same place that we had pointed out.
We just don't use that kind of a meter.
But I don't think there were child voices on them.
I have a six-year-old granddaughter who lately has been talking to an imaginary friend.
Now, I don't know if this is something she's made up, if it's something that, if it is a real imaginary friend that she's talking to, how can I help her develop this and keep her from being afraid?
Because she's been woken up in the middle of the night before by so-called imaginary friends.
I wrote an article in one of Brad Steiger's books about black magic and how people literally get away with murder by doing dark sorcery and black magic and never, it's like what court of law is going to say, oh, so-and-so put a spell on my client and now they're dead?
Thank you for taking my call, and good evening, ladies.
What I'd like to know, I have a kind of a two-sided question.
Back in the mid-90s, I was involved in an industrial accident, which left me vital signs absent three times in a row on the way to the trauma center.
During that time, I had no recollection of anything when I was gone.
However, afterwards, I was visited by what you refer to as shadow people.
This happened to me on four different occasions immediately after during my recovery, which was quite extensive.
From that point on, I never had any conversation, so to speak, with them.
They were just there.
It was, you know, like, I mean, very defined.
Usually happened early in the morning, you know, and their shapes were very defined, but no features to speak of.
Anyway, from that point on to this very day, while I'm asleep or just before I'm going to sleep, I have this way of quieting my mind.
And when I quiet my mind, I tend to get a lot of, it's almost like a whole bunch of people are talking to me and a whole bunch of faces start coming into my view.
And it's like they're trying to, they're asking questions.
It's crazy.
It's really hard to describe.
But I find if I tell them, leave me alone or quiet, settle down, settle down, they'll stop.
But like the next night, it'll happen again.
And so what I was wondering is, would a near-death experience or a VSA experience, would that bring on some kind of sensitivity toward this stuff?
He wasn't psychic at all until he had his near-death experience.
And I think what happens, I mean, this is my take on it, is when you die, sometimes the soul will pop out of the body, but then you don't really die and it pops back in again.
And I've actually seen this.
The soul will pop out and pop back in and pop back out.
But when it's popping out, you're in a different dimension, really, probably like a fourth dimension type thing.
But it's a higher dimension than here, and it can create a sensitivity.
Now, I've also had situations where I close my eyes and I see those faces.
Sometimes they're astral beings, and sometimes they can be ghosts that are trying to communicate with you.
It just depends on if you're feeling like an astral being will try to scare you because they feed on the fear.
So I just laugh and I love them and then they go away.
But sometimes because of your sensitivity, it can be trap spirits that are trying to get your attention to help them.
No, if you read the book Got Ghosts, that will help you a lot because it has some really good tools to help you learn how to meditate better and clear your own energy field so that you get the garbage out and the Klons out of your own field so that you can be more focused.
So I would suggest you get the book.
And Ronnie and I just discussed this in our last break.
For all of your guests, Art Belle, that get one of our books, we're going to send you a free set of grid rocks to grid your house.
My question is, probably like four or five months ago, I drive truck and I was parking the truck in the new yard that we have.
And, you know, I was by haul car, so I was up chaining a car down, and I heard like little rocks being thrown.
And then one hit the truck, and I kind of freaked out.
There's nobody in the yard, you know, but I seen a shadow moving around.
And the gentleman that would just call, he was talking about shadow people.
Well, as of late, I see them a lot, a lot more.
I mean, a lot more than just one or two.
I mean, I'm saying, you know, they're darting in between things.
I see them, you know, day or night.
I thought it was just kind of my mind playing tricks on me.
I'm not sure what it is, but when the guy was talking about him, I'd heard I'd call and say, I don't know what it is or, you know, I mean, should I be thinking I'm going crazy?
Now, if what's happening is a lot of people are becoming a lot more psychic, and maybe stuff that you couldn't have seen two or three years ago, you're seeing now.
And so my advice would be to just observe, go as neutral as you possibly can, and just observe it without judging it or being afraid or whatever.
And maybe see if you can communicate with whatever it is.
And if it's being annoying and rude, just say, you know what, I don't have time for this.
And that's why so many more people are having these kind of phenomena.
They're more sensitive to it because the frequency on the planet has raised, which automatically raises us up, which means we're more sensitive to it.
unidentified
Right, right.
Like when I'm driving down the road, you know, I see them walking down the highway or I see four-legged beings going down.
I mean, that kind of thing.
I don't get freaked out or anything, but it's just like, you know, I can see them, you know, and it's like, my wife thinks I'm a little crazy, but I don't know.
We'd have to tune into each specific incident to find out what it was, because maybe what you saw yesterday isn't what you're seeing today.
Maybe it is, maybe it's not, but you have to evaluate it and see if it's the same or if you're seeing something new.
So again, my advice would be to go in observation mode and don't shut it down.
If you're waking up psychically, don't shut yourself down.
Just watch it and ask your spirit guides and guardians to help you define it and figure out what's going on and what these things are and what they're there for.
I mean, I have my own reason, and I'm sure she has hers.
But one of the things that I learned, and this was back in the 90s, and again, it was Danien that helped me see this, is what they found, we know that nothing is solid.
Okay, back in the 30s, they invented the electron microscope, and they could see that nothing is solid.
Everything has space between it, between the atoms and the molecules.
And towards the 90s, they're starting To develop that even more, and the scientists have said that, well, about 95% of everything is space.
Well, we have an electromagnetic field that stops it, but we are space, you know, in between each of those atoms.
And what Daniel had said is when they studied this space or this fabric of the universe that's holding everything together, it vibrates to the same frequency as love.
I've recently begun experiencing some strange things.
Some people that I've been talking to are saying that I'm a sensitive.
And so, well, basically, here's what happened.
A few years ago, I had a relative who was dying from cancer.
And I would say about two weeks before she passed, I started becoming physically ill, sick to my stomach, you know, having all these horrible symptoms.
And it wasn't a cold.
It was different from a cold.
Anyway, basically, one Saturday night, suddenly it just went away, and it was almost like a feeling of freedom.
And when it disappeared, about an hour later, my mom called me and told me that she had passed away.
So that was sort of odd.
So I know that I have something going on here.
Is there any advice that you can give me to help curb the physical experiences that I have?
This is only one example.
I mean, I've had this happen at least a dozen times since this one experience since my cousin.
But is there any advice that you can give to someone, you know, because I know that it could get gifts.
Well, one of the things that just popped in my head is to make sure that you're getting all the proper nutrition that you need.
When Ronnie and I do ghost bustings, we always take colloidal minerals because when you're running a lot of psychic energy, it depletes the minerals in your body.
And so you're going to want to make sure that you take care of yourself because when you go on psychic mode, you do really pull a lot of energy and you want to build yourself back up.
And the other thing I suggest is it sounds like because you are so sensitive, you're picking up energy cords from these people because people can put energy cords in you and then they can affect you.
They can suck your energy.
So there are protocols to cut those energy cords so they're not attached to you.
And then the other thing I suggest is taking a look at what that cryogenetics egg looks like because that is a protection and that will suck off all the emotional debris that you've picked up.
And as a sensitive, you know, you tend to pick up a lot.
And it will keep you more calm and it'll keep you more balanced.
unidentified
Wonderful.
That is excellent advice.
Thank you.
And yes, I do use the, I use like a magic bubble type of thing, you know, to keep me protected mainly.
And also just to, you know, because people can, like you said, you know, can psychically attack you without even really knowing it.
I'm going to guess that he disappeared all of a sudden.
unidentified
What I was trying to get to you is they were doing this live remote there, and he got violently sick and everything.
This happened about an hour ago.
And I was thinking that your Ghostbusters would maybe want to take and follow up on this to see what happened to him because he was sort of attacked by the ghost.
Again, that's the reason we wrote the book, Lashawn, because, you know, if people hire us to do the ghost dustings, it can be pretty expensive.
But we wrote the book, which is not really expensive at all, and it gives us step-by-step instruction on what to do to get rid of those ghosts, to protect the house, to clean out the energy.
Some people think, oh, you know, you get some holy water and have a priest come and bless the house, but that does not get rid of the ghost.
It just sends them away for a little bit and then they come back.
Yeah, with the book, it will actually help.
And then we'll send the grid rocks and your daughter can grid the place with these rocks, which are mind-boggling.
I mean, before we had these rocks and tried to do ghost bustings, it was like going through jello.
Yeah, we used to get worn out before we started having our clients grid their houses with these little rocks before we would do a session.
Now we won't do one at all.
If people don't have the rocks, we don't do it.
And that will certainly, if they get some rocks, if they get the book and maybe for the children, these rocks are also in dust form and we have little necklaces.
And that might help the children feel better at night.
They'll have something to hold and they can talk to their rock buddies and help protect them.
And there's things that you can do, but that ghost is way out of line turning on the gas.
Well, I don't think you could rest a moment until you figured it out.
All right, Vicki in California, you're on with the Ghostbuster Gals.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, all right.
And Mucho Froswell, to you.
I wanted to share a story and ask their opinion.
Hi, ladies.
I bought a house 21 years ago, and actually it's San Antonio, Texas.
And I never really sensed anything going on in the house.
The kids were always telling me that they would hear things and see things.
And I just told them, you know, it's just, you know, the wind, it's the doors.
It's an old house.
And, well, okay, back in 2006, my son was 14 years old.
And I was in a dead sleep.
I had to get up at five in the morning.
And in the middle of the night, something, it was like, you know, like a dream or a voice.
It said, get up and go check on your son.
And I said, oh, no, no, no.
My kid's all right.
And a couple of times, it was just like something telling me, get up and go check on your son.
I didn't do it.
I was so tired.
But something, like, I felt it on my arm, like pull or tuck on my left arm.
And I said, okay, what is going on here?
Now, that did scare me.
I got up and opened my son's door.
And as I opened the door, okay, there was a little flame off of it.
He had his forelamp, and it was open on the top.
And he didn't like the light being so bright, so he had a towel over it.
Well, it started to flame as soon as I opened the door, and that freaked me out.
And now I believe that they tell me that they still see, like my daughter's 33 and at the house with my grandkids, and she says she still sees like, like not an apparition or anything, but feels like someone's looking at her from the hallway.
Mind you, I bought the house 21 years ago, and a lady named Hannah, I won't tell you her last name, did die.
Not sure she died in the house, but she did die and passed and her son sold me the house.
Now, I don't think it's a me, if it is a spirit, do you think it's a spirit?
And if for one second, the moment the first wave of something is wrong with my daughter came over me, I would be out of that bed and in that other room so quick, your head would spin.
I wouldn't wait for the second round.
And I recommend you follow the same path next time.
The thing is, it could be a couple different things.
Sometimes it's an angel that comes to give you that warning.
But it's also possible that it is a spirit.
It could be the old woman that saw something going on and wanted to warn you.
But it's really important to understand that there is no such thing as a good ghost.
They may seem kind and benevolent and old lady-like and whatever, but it's not a good ghost because anytime you have a ghost, it changes the electromagnetic field in the area, which can lower the immune system.
And also, you have to understand that that ghost is trapped and lost and stuck and can't move on.
But they're coming across on the EVPs with the child's voice looking for help.
Because, you know, as humans, you know, we're going to help a child in a heartbeat, whereas, you know, an adult, you know, yeah, we're still going to help them, but, you know, we're naturally drawn to help the young even more.
And maybe that's why more of the EVPs seem to come across as a child's voice.
I just wanted to, you know, just something that I thought about that, you know, yeah, you know, with those, you know, more inclined to help a child that, you know, that maybe they're looking for help.
I got to tell you, you were talking about stories, but if I could just tell you this real quick, I know I'll try to be quick, but I was staying with this girl and her ex-boyfriend was hopping trains out west and he got killed.
And we had went swimming and came home that night and went to bed about, I don't know, about 9 o'clock.
And I was laying in bed and my girlfriend was laying with her back to me.
And all of a sudden, I just got frozen.
I could not move.
I got scared.
I was just panicky.
And I looked at her and I was yelling her name and she didn't hear me.
And then it kind of stopped for a second.
And then I thought, okay, what's going on?
And then all of a sudden I got frozen again.
And I just fought it.
I fought it.
And I jumped out of bed and I went into like a karate stand, you know, because I was just panicky.
And I looked right at the bedroom door was an apparition of a young man in white, completely white.
Well, okay, so I used to have the same thing happen with dolphins and sometimes whales because I'm connected with both of them and have seen them in the wild and had telepathic communication.
And what I'm sensing is it's the same thing for you with these mana-raids because they're very intelligent creatures.
I swam with them in the Grand Cayman.
They're phenomenal.
They're gentle.
They're lovely.
But they're in trouble, just like all the ocean creatures.
I don't want to get on my soapbox, but we're polluting the ocean terribly.
So we've got to wind this up quickly, so we're out of time.
unidentified
So they went, you know, I stopped, you know, broke eye contact, went to my brothers, came back, and I looked down.
I told him there's something downstairs, and I could see the living room now.
Jesus was gone.
And they freaked us out.
We checked the whole house.
Now, at that same exact spot where I saw Jesus, several days later, my older brother was in the living room playing with his little cars and everything, and he saw...