Dr. Roger Leir reveals his surgical removal of 17 alleged alien implants—80-100 million-year-old artifacts from a distant Milky Way civilization—funded by ANS Research Inc. and backed by Robert Bigelow, with cases like Whitley Strieber’s failed extraction highlighting risks. Turkish UFO footage (2007–2009) shows boomerang-shaped crafts with occupants, later confirmed non-hoax by authorities, while Leir links implants to genetic monitoring via scalar waves and carbon nanotubes. A 2011 OSTP report allegedly proves Obama’s awareness of extraterrestrial tech, though Leir warns disclosure is suppressed for "national security." Callers debate hybrid theories (e.g., Homo noeticus), underwater UFOs near Catalina Island, and safety concerns amid suspicious deaths in research circles. [Automatically generated summary]
They're pretty brutal, but as I've said, vaguely lovable.
Anyway, Spooky Matter stories.
Just give me a little capsule version, a paragraph maybe or two at the most, and include your phone number, and maybe on Spooky Matter, we will call you.
All right, here comes the heavy-duty.
Man, you gotta check it out stuff.
The first thing I've got up is going to just rock your world.
We have talked many times of shadow people on this show.
Right?
Shadow people.
A lot of people go, oh, come on.
What if I were to tell you I've got a video, and it's a security camera piece of footage, of a man being attacked by a shadow person.
And if you can debunk this thing, have at it, baby.
What happens in this video is a man's walking down the hall.
You can see the dark shadow thing approach him.
You can see it throw him on his, you know, face plant.
I mean, he falls down.
Then he's turned around.
Then he is dragged by something invisible down the hall or this shadow thing, whichever you want to believe.
I'm telling you, this one is, well, it's either fake and CGI'd, right, by somebody who knows really what they're doing, or it's real.
This thing is scary.
I will be asking tomorrow's guest, Too Soon to Tell, about this video.
But you can see it right now, and I recommend you go up there and see it.
I would like for you, if you have a moment, I know you're busy because I'm sending you to do all these things, go to the internet and look up the words to Stairway to Heaven, song Stairway to Heaven.
If you have never actually read the words to Stairway to Heaven, I would like you to go to the Internet and look them up because I'm going to play it the whole darn thing.
So it's my show I can do what I want, so I'm going to do it when I come back from break before Dr. Lear.
A low-pitched droning sound has tormented residents of Southampton now for 18 months.
No relief.
No explanation in sight.
It's every night.
So some people have resorted to using sleeping pills or moving away just to get a good night's sleep because this thing wakes you up.
But England is only the latest in an ever-growing lengthy list of cities and towns plagued by exactly this sort of sound around the world.
We've had it here in the U.S. Weird, strumming, thumbing, thumping sounds under the ground that will not allow you to sleep.
Update on Comet Ice On?
It suggests the comet is still intact, despite the predictions of many that the icy nucleus might disintegrate as the sun warms it.
So we could still be in for a treat closest pass on November 28th.
Oh, we've got, I got this email.
It says, Art, as soon as I unwrap my new dark matter mug, my cat Bertie came to check it out.
Been enjoying the show every night over the internet.
Now, shopping for portable XM radio use on the road in my car and on my motorcycle.
Now, that is devotion.
Listening on a motorcycle.
What you should be doing is paying attention to what you're doing.
Anyway, he sent a picture of his cat with a little face stuffed down into the Art Bell cup, dark matter cup.
My cats do the same thing.
They don't like water from any other source than a human cup.
I think that my cats have calculated that if it's in a human cup, it's better water.
Better.
It's got to be better.
And if it's milk, that's good too.
So you're probably going, ew, you let your cats drink out of your glass?
Yeah, we do.
We'll talk about that sometime.
All right.
Coming up in just a Little while, Dr. Roger Lear and Dr. Lear relax.
We have lots of time.
This is Sirius XM, where, well, there's virtually time for everything.
Raging in the nighttime.
This is Dark Matter from the high desert and the great American Southwest.
I'm Art Bell, and it's going to be quite a night to stay right where you are.
All that stuff up on artbell.com.
So if you haven't done it yet, for God's sakes, don't do it if you're in a truck.
Especially if you're on the road.
You know, if you're stopped, maybe.
But otherwise, don't get tempted.
Somehow I have this vision of some guy in an 18-wheeler, you know, with a iPhone 5 in his hand trying to manipulate his way to artbell.com.
No.
Don't do it.
Dr. Roger K. Lear is author of Aliens and the Scalpel, first and second edition.
In other words, two of them.
UFO crash in Brazil, rather.
Casebook Alien Implants, Chopped Liver, and three other books published outside the U.S. has been said to have been one of the world's most important leaders in physical evidence research involving the field of ufology.
He and his surgical team have performed 16 surgeries on alleged alien abductees.
This resulted in the removal of 17, somebody must add two, 17 separate and distinct objects suspected of being alien implants.
These objects have been scientifically investigated by some of the most prestigious labs in the world.
Their findings have been baffling, and some comparisons have been made to meteorite samples.
Dr. Lear continues to investigate the physiological and biological aspects of the abduction phenomenon.
He has also formed a non-profit organization for this purpose called ANS Research Inc.
It has been a long time since I've heard Dr. Lear's voice.
I was interrupted for a bit with a very nasty, nasty virus, which today is called shingles, which led to a seven-hour surgery and about 20 days in the hospital.
So that kind of put me out of commission for a while.
But anyway, any of our listeners can check this out if they want to do a little simple research.
I looked at the virus that caused shingles so many years ago.
It's funny it got renamed because it was called Herpes Zoster.
And it was like comparing that to Herpes Simplex, which is the virus that causes chickenpox, was like come looking at a German shepherd and squeak your cat.
Right.
Incidentally, I don't know if you ever knew, but you have squeaked the cat.
yeah as I said I'm back doing my thing again and have been for a while I still have but they're With the shingles?
No, no, but I had to wind up having two arterial bypasses done because I wound up with a hole about as big as a baseball in my ankle, and that had to be filled in with a graft and all that sort of wonderful things.
All right, so you would send me away to get either an x-ray, if it would show in an x-ray, or, I don't know, an MRI, whatever, at my own expense, I'd have to pay for it, right?
It becomes the property of the civilization of this planet.
And we promise to keep you totally informed of any information which is elicited from the research that this reveals.
But every bit of your personal information is kept 100% confidential.
So if a television program comes along and wants to do a show and we want to show them the footage and you don't want your face shown or you don't want your object shown, that's a liberty that we assign to the individual.
There are people that don't want their face shown.
There are people that want their voices disguised.
We have done television shows of that nature.
And there are people that don't want to be on TV or have anything mentioned that might give anybody a clue as to what they are.
Now, they sometimes have occupational hazards because they're afraid that even scientists pray to hire masters.
They don't want to lose their income or be embarrassed or called in that case or whatever might happen.
So we respect that and we don't use them.
But we do keep the data and the data is available to the world because I'm not doing this for myself.
I'm not doing it for fun and I'm not making a buck.
I'm broke as it can be, especially after going through this illness.
But through the help of some very kind people, including someone we both know, and I'm going to give him credit on the air, which is Robert Bigelow, was Robert.
This has been a goal of his for many, many years since He established NIDS, which helped me greatly with the research.
I also understand historically that he had purchased a radio station in the Union Plaza Hotel, where a very strange show began with a very famous person now by the name of Art Bell.
He actually, a few years ago, landed a helicopter in my backyard.
That was quite an affair, boy.
I'll tell you what.
The dust that came up when that thing landed.
Landed a hotel in my backyard, flew myself and my wife into Vegas, and we got a real inside look at satellites preparing to launch the whole assembly facility there.
Oh, God, it was incredible.
So he's done years of work since then.
I guess it's about time for me to have Robert back on the air.
Yeah, I was just going to say I suggested to your program producer, Paul, that I would like to see Robert back on the air because, you know, like you mentioned, he's in a wonderful position right now.
He's going to do some firsts in space that have never been done before in cooperation with a few other people who are making headlines.
But Bob always seems to stay, you know, out of the current.
No, he reminds me of the billionaire in contact, the one who's on the screen to Jodi Foster and leans down and looks into the camera and says, want to take a ride?
So he's been, as I said, most of the things, you know, let's talk about the truth.
Most of the things that have happened in ufology that have made books and comments for all kinds of television and radio shows have been sponsored by Bob Bigelow.
You know, I was shocked to find out that the Rockefeller event that occurred years and years and years ago, well, Rockefeller did pay for some of that.
He's one of the people on the face of this planet that is responsible for a number of different things.
Now, there are a lot of other people getting on the bandwagon at the present time because I believe finally the world is waking up to a new reality.
Now, we've got Stephen Bassett, for example, who did the citizens hearing in Washington, D.C., five days long of testimony.
I was there.
I was on the last day, which was a lucky thing for me because I got to hear what everybody else said, so I knew the way to go.
But, you know, it was an intense, very, very intense feeling to sit there and relate this information to, you know, 80 years or 60 years of congressional abilities that the panel had and to get to know them through the years.
And I learned probably as much about the government of the United States as they learned about ufology.
It moved out of the way, but he was able to get a little piece of it, which was sent in for pathology, and there was some mysterious material, but there wasn't enough there to really make a determination what it was.
And then later, Whitley wanted me to take another shot at it.
And I said, well, you know, if that's what you want to do and you're 100% sure, I'll do it.
And then he said, can you guarantee me that after it's done, I will be dead?
I remember, maybe you can tell me why doctors do this, Dr. Lear.
But when we had Asia, when my wife was in labor, actually, you know, the doctor had been telling her, it was a C-section, and the doctor had been telling her every visit when we'd go, you know, for the normal checkup, everything is fine, everything is great.
It'll be a C-section, peacecake, nothing to it.
And then when you're actually in the hospital, you're in the bed, you're in the middle of labor, the doctor stands at the end of the bed and says, I need to read you this list of risks.
And there's this long list of, well, you might stop breathing, you might die.
And, you know, it's like a showstopper.
Of course, in that case, you can't stop the show.
But my goodness, they wait until the last moment to redo the risks.
Yeah, he was actually telling me he had a meeting with one of his publishers, and it got bright red and hot, and he had to run out and go to the restroom and put some cold water on it to cool it off.
Yeah, he showed it to me one time, too, when it was glowing beautifully red.
You know, not to change gears, but I just want to take this opportunity to thank a few people.
One is Keith Rowland, who did a wonderful job of getting an immense amount of material I put up on the website up in time for the show.
And nextly, I didn't get a chance to thank you for the great, wonderful, marvelous, fantastic quote that you gave me that we used on the back of the book, I believe, for a UFO crash in Brazil.
That was just something that I will always thank you for for the rest of my life.
Just to give you some idea, Doctor, when I look at this photograph, it could either be a large object far away or it could have been something you removed from somebody's ear.
In other words, in the first two photographs, there is no reference for size.
When we get farther into it, you'll see the estimates of our...
So the investigations that were done on the video gave us, you know, maybe it might have meant 20 miles away.
Also, the sky was clear, but the moon was bright.
And the craft was being lit by the moon.
However, if you go down to the following pictures, you'll see that as we push closer and closer and closer on the craft, we can see that the front end of it is rounded.
Oh, my is right, because this has got to be, and after you've looked at the whole thing, I'm sure you're going to agree, this has got to be the finest footage that was ever taken of a UFO.
There's three ports that show, one in the middle and one on either end.
Now, as you get farther down into the video, not the video, but when you get down into the stills and we get to the analysis part, the analysis on this video was done by the University of Istanbul, which is a government university.
And it created a stir in all the newspapers, national newspapers in Turkey, all the television stations.
We went down the European coast to the small town called Comburgas.
And we stayed up from midnight till 5 o'clock in the morning filming out over the sea.
And in one instance, this was three years in a row.
I think it was the last year.
I'm not 100% sure.
I think it was the last year, 2009, Jaime Massan and his crew were there, and they were filming it also.
So there was two sets of original videos that were taken of this.
Now, Jaime had analysis done in Mexico.
Hatan Agodan, who's the head of Sirius TV and excuse me, Sirius UFO organization in Turkey, had the analysis done by the University of Istanbul.
And then it went to a fellow, Mario Valdez, in Chile, who used a frame splitter.
Now, for those of the audience that's listening, a frame splitter splits each picture that goes by the television camera lens into two, what we call fields.
Now, the film goes by the lens at 30 frames per second.
So when you split it in half, you get 60 frames per second.
So he studied each individual field.
And his concentration was on the occupants of the craft.
And you're going to see when you click on the investigation part of this, his entire report is there.
And he has made specific outlines and drawings of what these entities were doing while we were filming them.
It was relatively stationary, but for whatever the reason, it did make slight turns to one direction and then slight turns to the other direction because sometimes you're getting a better view of the port that's on the left side.
Sometimes you're getting a better view of the port that's on the right side.
And then finally it turns sideways and you can see that it's not a disc.
We've had a few people that try to debunk it and say that, oh, this was nothing but the reflection of lights from a fixed source on the water and stuff like that.
We had one the other day that got me through the website, and he said he's a video analyst, and this has been Photoshopped because you can see where the 009, when you analyze it, looks like it's below the other.
Well, in the first place, I wrote him back, and I said, you know, I thank you for the time that you took for your analysis.
But number one, please give me your credentials.
And number two, please tell me where you got a copy of the original film from because there's only two copies in the world.
We surveyed the whole area before we ever filmed anything.
We Looked for oil derricks.
We looked for other platforms, light sources, ships, reflective objects, and there was nothing.
I mean, there was nothing out over the water.
Now, I don't know if you saw the part yet, but there was a dog standing there on the beach looking at the object, and he's just barking his barker off.
And he says, If this craft had been showing up night after night after night in the same place, time loop or not, and that's something we can talk about, why wouldn't local military have sent something out to try and figure out what was violating their airspace?
In Turkey, that's kind of a strange situation because in Turkey, there's so many UFOs that unless they interfere somehow with human activity, no military force goes up, no police helicopters, no nothing.
Nobody does anything.
It's so common, you can read about it in the newspapers, you can hear about it on a television show.
It's not that exciting.
It's like you were talking about the 18-wheel rig.
You know, if it was an 18-wheel rig and it was a 1941 model, that might create some great news.
But when you're in a country where it's so open, now they have had instances, for example, in Turkey, there was two instances where commercial airlines became so close to circular craft, saucer-shaped craft, on landing that they became dangerous.
And their version of the FAA was really worried about it.
Now, that did cause some military and commercial stir.
Do you have any thoughts, Doctor, on why these other countries are so frequently visited?
We had our Phoenix lights, but I mean, other than that, in recent years, there hasn't been much here compared to, say, Turkey or, well, gee, Mexico and South America.
I think that we think that we're not as visited as much as these other countries, but that's because the cloak of secrecy is so strong here that when people talk about it, report it or whatever, it never goes anywhere.
There is a blackout on this information.
And this is what we were trying to do with the citizens' hearing.
And it's my hope.
Now, I just served on a committee with Senator Gravelle again for you had James Fox on for 710.
And I was supposed to be in that film, but because of a mix-up, something happened at the last minute.
I wasn't in it.
But just the night before the filming, I was with Senator Gravelle.
And they are pushing forward.
And I think this is really going to happen.
We're going to get a hearing before the General Assembly of the United Nations.
He's got a very powerful group in Washington, and he's donated a corporation to the cause, which is a nonprofit, 501c3.
And it looks like he's got the contacts and the ability to raise the money to get this done.
So it's not just him.
It's Congresswoman Carolyn Kirkpatrick with several of the other members of the committee that were there, too, that are all for getting this done.
And you should have heard me the difference between their opening statements and their closing statements.
I mean, they said they were open, but after five days of testimony from 9 to 5 every day, listening intently to what everybody had to say, they went, I'm sure, 180 degrees.
And they came out and said, this is not a U.S. problem.
This is a situation which is worldwide.
So we're not going to get the representation from Congress.
But Steve Bassett is still under the opinion that if we drive harder.
Let's take our break here and pick up on the other side.
I want to talk a little bit about that time thing.
The possibility that it was movement in time.
Again, again and again.
All right.
Dr. Roger Lear is here.
He is removed aliens from the planet.
I can send messages on Artbell.
Where is the video?
I can't find the video.
Oh, please.
Go to artbell.com.
Look out for the name of Dr. Roger Lear.
Get over the day.
Then click on his name for a few control photographs.
Then you will see the video in question.
It's a little better than, I think, about six minutes, 40 seconds, something like that.
Really good stuff.
And, you know, again, Dr. Lear said it came back over a very long period of time and suggested that perhaps it was some sort of time loop, which is interesting.
If it were some sort of time loop, then one would imagine or guess that it might not actually physically be there.
And yet it was able to be photographed, both video and still photographs.
Well, that's what, you know, a lot of my material doesn't come from me because I really don't consider myself a scientist.
You know, I do have degrees in medical biology and so on, but I'm not a PhD material specialist.
I don't have degrees in physics and so on.
But we have four nuclear physicists now on the board of NS Research.
The latest one came out of the citizens hearing, Dr. Tom Ballone, who had the ability to put up a formula at the hearing on two giant television screens, a formula for zero-point energy.
There it is.
I mean, we were looking at it.
The congresspeople were looking at it.
Everybody was looking at it.
There it is.
He said, this is a formula.
So, you know, these are the kind of people that I respect their opinion.
So someone comes to me and said, perhaps, perhaps, why you're getting this around the same time of the year, three years in a row, is that these entities have the ability for time travel.
Now, they could have been doing this for a specific reason.
You know, they obviously know our history.
They certainly know a lot about human beings, the anatomy, physiology, psychology.
There seems to be a few things that certain numbers of races that are non-terrestrial don't know, but they're still learning about us.
David Jacobs with his hybrid program, I agree that they are making hybrids, but I unfortunately don't agree that that's the only thing that's being accomplished by the abduction phenomena.
I can't take science and agree with that opinion because if they were not friendly, why would we be even here having this conversation?
Now, one of our nuclear physicists, Dr. Robert Koons, is an ex-naval physicist with a background that's a mile long.
I didn't send that along because it's just too much material, and perhaps we can talk about it another time.
But he's one of the physicists that's on our board, and he has made mathematical calculations based on the isotopes that are in the implant objects as to their relationship to the Big Bang theory.
In other words, if we take the date of the Big Bang, he can calculate a constant, which he can use in a formula.
And he figured out mathematically two things, which have been so far not disputed, that the elements that we're finding in these objects, these isotopes, come from one-third way across the Milky Way galaxy.
Wow.
From a civilization, which he says is 80 to 100 million years older than we are.
It's all with advanced mathematics, and it boils down to basically how Uncle Stan Friedman can say, if you live in New Jersey, you don't go to the Bronx to buy your bread.
So if the materials Come from a certain area, then you can tell by how long it took the change from one isotope to the next element, how long it took to get there, and you can figure out the age of the same civilization.
That's the best as I am able to explain it.
It's much more complex.
So, again, I have to take the word of a noted world-renowned physicist.
With respect to the implants that have been removed and tested, how many of them have actually shown isotopes that would lead a person away from Earth?
Well, we've done 16 cases, removed 17 objects, and you were correct in your summation in the beginning.
One of them did have two.
Now, in the early days of research, and this is probably what I was talking about so many years ago, the first test that came from Los Alamos laboratories in New Mexico Tech compared them to a meteorite sample.
So, we've gone a long, long, long way since those days because science, our science, has advanced also.
We have better machinery, better mechanics.
To give you an instance, your question relative to the numbers of the objects that we've removed, how many of them show extraterrestrial properties.
We know that most of them are showing extraterrestrial properties, but we don't know until we look.
So now we're able to take advantage of going back to what we have left of the original objects and looking at them again.
To give you an example, a scanning electron microscope which uses a high voltage, a kilovoltage, to put out an electron beam, and then the electron beam can give us pictures at various depths through a material object.
Years ago, when we started doing this, let's say 10,000 kilovolts, you were able to get maybe 100,000 times magnification.
If you went higher than that, you'd get what's called scattering, which is just a bunch of electrons bouncing all over the place.
We wouldn't get a decent picture.
Now, with 10,000 kilovolts, you can get magnifications of around 5,000 to 600,000 times.
You go up to 20 to 80,000 kilovolts, and you can get very close to a million magnification.
We can get down things now to looking at one atom.
And that's one of the things that we see in these objects, are apertures that are only one atom wide.
The next thing that we've found, and I'm kind of getting ahead of the game here, but are carbon nanotubes, both single-walled and double-walled carbon nanotubes.
We're projects in the world, and you wouldn't have come up with a carbon nanotube.
But these go far, far more complex than what is even talked about today, because you can build a single wall, you know, a tube, but you can also build a double wall.
That's what we find.
And then let's compare it to those that don't understand what a carbon nanotube is.
It's a carbon atom which is connected to another carbon atom, and it forms a chain, which is in a circle.
And then you extend this chain, and you get a chain of carbon-nano atoms, and this is a carbon-nanotube.
So you can double the wall, and you can have twice the thickness, but there's a hole in the center.
And the hole in the center can be what we call doped with other material.
For example, one of the uses today that they're talking about medically is to put, let's say, an antibiotic or an anti-cancer agent, let's look at it that way, into a small carbon nanotube, and that's called doping.
And then you inject that into a malignant tumor, and the carbon nanotube then releases the anti-cancer drug directly into the tumor, and you don't destroy the surrounding tissue.
So there's lots of applications that are being talked about today.
But now we can make them, but we can't make them the complex way that we find them in these objects.
Now, the other thing is, how do you combine a carbon nanotube into molten metal?
We used to think that they were being powered by the nervous system, as is UCLA now powering small motors to run servos and artificial prosthetic devices.
But now we've kind of changed our opinion because we know that you can broadcast energy.
And if you broadcast energy, for example, by use of a scalar wave, you can power these objects remotely.
So let's just accept that as a possibility.
The next thing, in reference to your question of how it's used in the human body, obviously these things we know are being used to relay information of some kind of data, a data pattern.
They're in the FM band, and I unfortunately don't have the exact figures, which goes out to about a 10-digit number, but they're both in the kilohertz and megahertz range in the FM band.
Now, one of the things we don't have, and we keep trying to get someone to donate this to us, but we have the radio frequency detector, but we don't have a radio frequency analyzer, so we can't capture the wave.
We would certainly pass this information right back to the public where it belongs.
The other possibility is here, and you've got to consider this, no matter what radio wave it happens to be, I really agree with Stan Friedman when he talks about CINIA as being silly effort to investigate.
What advanced civilization, especially when we have a physicist that's telling us these are 80 million years older than we are, are using radio waves for some kind of a communication or data collection device, that's preposterous.
So there's either one of two things going on if you look at it logically.
Either there's a deal made where the information that's being broadcast from these objects is being received here by some earthly source, and they're tapping into the information that's coming out going somewhere else.
It's a piggyback sort of thing.
Or what we have is a, again, this is more in your area than mine, so you can probably tell me, scalar wave technology, when it comes into our electromagnetic spectrum, we're getting a harmonic that looks like a radio wave, but really may not be.
I've told you some of the things that we found in the objects that we've removed with more modern techniques.
Let's hit on a few other ones.
Some of the things we understand, some of the things we don't understand.
And when we see the carbon nanotechnology involved with these orthorhombic crystals, we know that crystals since the beginning of radio have been a very important device for the receiving of radio frequencies.
So this is kind of advanced crystallography, if you want to put it that way.
But we also see objects that we don't understand.
We see gold spheres that are about 4 to 10 atoms in diameter.
We don't know what they're for.
We find other inclusions of metals that we don't know what they're for.
I mean, if people are reporting that these things are controlling them or giving them ideas or communicating in some way, I understand it's not scientific, but I'd love to hear it.
Okay, well, we're looking at a different ballgame.
Number one, why is the abduction phenomena going on in the first place?
We have to go back to that.
Let's do it.
We know that, and I've been in 42 countries in seven years, so it's relatively the same in the United States as it is in Brazil or in the Middle Eastern countries or in Africa.
It doesn't make any difference.
Some of the entities that are seen may be a little bit different, but 99%, I would say, of all abduction cases involve the taking of OVA and sperm.
Now, whoever is taking this thing doesn't work for the cooking channel, and they're not making omelets.
So obviously, you've got to theorize there's some kind of a genetic experiment going on.
I know so many people have said this, Doctor, and they're called by various names, but I think it is fair to suggest that many, many children currently alive are of a kind of a different, what's the right way to say it without offending somebody?
I don't know what leads a physician down this path.
And we'll ask about that.
But I asked him, what people report?
People who have implants, what they say, are they being led in a different direction in life?
Are they receiving messages?
Is it in some way manipulating them?
That question hangs.
And the moment I asked it, Dr. Leoyer began talking about Dr. Jacobs.
Dr. Jacobs thinks that, you know, these aren't friendly beings at all.
And he makes a very strong case for it.
In fact, we should have them on the air and will.
And here's what I have to say, just before I bring you back on, Doctor, And that is what do you think a cow believes?
In other words, as a cow goes through life and is being raised ultimately to become a hamburger, it probably thinks the world is a pretty darn friendly place because it's allowed to graze peacefully in the sun, eating.
It's brought food frequently.
It's certainly given water and nourishment.
If it's ill, it's given shots to recover from whatever is bothering it.
In other words, the cow is treated pretty darn well right up until the moment that it gets a hammer on the head or however it's done and turned into hamburger.
Now, Dr. Lear, you know, is that where you were going with the Dr. Jacobs comment?
So anyway, again, this question, have you talked to people who have had the implants and have they had anything to say about the way it is seemingly apparently affecting their lives?
Anyway, back to where we were as to what is actually being emitted from these objects.
I think it's data.
And I think the data is, that's where we were heading before I made the comment about omelets.
But if we agree that it's a possibility, and again, I want to say, and I've said this over and over again all over the world, if anybody gets on the air on anybody's program or in a public place, a public forum, and tells you they have all the answers, then my thing is you better put a finger in each ear and run as fast as you can go.
100%, because I'll tell you I've talked to specific cases, a lady, for example, in Brazil that had an object and she was told by the folks that put it in not to have it removed.
And she asked them if it was a locating device, and they just showed her a bug that they stopped in a beam of light in mid-air.
And we said that we can track this bug anywhere on this planet that we need to track it, and it doesn't need a device.
And then shortly after that, I heard from some of the leading geneticists that we now know that all DNA, whether it's human or animal or whatever, all DNA contains its own specific electronic signature.
So all you have to do then is be smart enough to build a device, and you can pick out anybody on the entire planet or anything.
So they don't need them as tracking devices.
Behavior control does not need a device.
If you've been abducted and they look into your eye and they suggest things to you, they can block their memory.
They understand the neural network.
They know how to place things in your mind.
They can make you see your dead relatives or whatever else they want to see, or they can make you see them as clowns or whatever.
Now, I want to modify that by saying, you know, we, yeah, I've got thousands of abductee cases, and a lot of them see grays, the typical, you know, bumper sticker, black-eyed grays.
A lot of the things like what we looked at in the Camburgus footage, by the way.
So anyway, we see these grays and we look at them and we lump them all into one group because we're not astute enough to know that one set of grays may come from Zeta reticuli and another set of grays may be us, you know, 100,000 years in the future.
So we don't know one from the other.
We look at, you know, people of skin color from various countries and to Caucasians, they all look the same.
Can't tell the difference.
So we group them all into one group.
So when you say greys, I think that's a misnomer, too, because there may be grays, you know, 20 different races of grays visiting here.
Maybe they don't all have the same procedures that they're doing.
Maybe it's only a certain group that's doing abductions.
Maybe David Jacobs is 100% on when he says there's a group that's making hybrids.
I don't argue with that at all.
All I'm saying is that the situation is so complex that the greatest possibility is that there's a number of things going on at the same time in relation to the field of aerial abduction.
But I also believe that the one that said that they may be 100 years ahead of academic technology, I think that could very well be the case, too.
I think that we may be flying in space somewhere around our solar system, but I don't think we've left it.
So we do have some advanced technology.
In fact, Senator Gravel in this hearing admitted, you know, in front of the witnesses and all the other people that were there on streaming video that we have our own space fleet.
Now, that's quite an admission coming from government.
I think to a certain extent, but just like when the object that went over your head, you could say, well, maybe that was some secret military thing or maybe it was from somewhere else.
But when you take the Phoenix situation and you have people reporting that one wingtip is over one mountain range and the other wingtip is over another mountain range, I don't think that's familiar.
There's great argument about this everywhere I go, and that is whether or not the White House, the president actually, has knowledge of extraterrestrial presence here or whether this is the kind of thing kept from presidents or some presidents.
Because I have my little pointer here on the website, artville.com.
And if the folks would click on the OSTP report given to President Obama, they will see a surprising document that answers your question in its entirety.
You click on that, you'll see it says black vault, and then the executive office of the president, Office of Science, Technology, Policy.
And this is dated March the 22nd, 2011.
And you can see that certain names have been redacted.
And this is in response to John Greenwald, who now has a huge number of documents on the black vault.
He's the one that procured this for me.
And the article is written by James C. Kollenberger, who is the head of this committee.
And if you go down the report and enlarge it, it makes it easier to see, you'll see that there's an entire report on me and the work that we have done with the implants and how this was done at a time when Mr. Obama was looking for funds for his national health care plan.
And for example, it says, for just the facts, UFO investigators Lear and Mosier, Mosier is one of the scientists that was previously on our board, offer compelling news of 2009 X conference press conference,
hard evidence that can be analytical and results point towards the non-human origin of the devices.
So if the president, President Obama, is it in the White House?
And if you want me to add a little more icing to this cake, when I arrived the first day at the citizens' hearing, I was met by Senator or Congresswoman Carolyn Kolpatrick, who grabbed me by the sleeve and took me aside and said, there is someone that's here that would like to talk to you for a few minutes if you have time.
So I said, well, of course.
She didn't tell me who it was, and I had my assistant, Linda, with me.
And so this was at the press club, and so she took me down to the bottom floor.
We went to the little restaurant there, and as we noticed when we walked in the door, there were some very large black folk, very well dressed in suits, with curly Q wire going into their ears, talking to their wrists.
And we then were led around the corner to kind of a private area where there was a table set up.
And who was sitting at the table but none other than Minister Louis Farrakhan.
Now, Minister Louis Farrakhan had invited me and several other guests a few years back to lecture to the Muslim nation about UFOs.
And he's been teaching for years his following that the UFOs are the wheels of Ezekiel in the Bible.
So when we started giving out the information on ufology, of course mine was on the abduction situation and implants.
I didn't know what the audience knew or what they didn't know.
But it turned out they knew just about as much as someone that was sitting in the audience of a UFO conference.
And it was amazing.
And he jumped up from the table.
He was on the telephone.
And I heard him say, you'll have to excuse me.
I will get back to you soon.
So he got up and he came over with a very friendly greeting and told me how nice it was for me to be there and for him to see me again.
And I was very excited about the whole situation.
It was totally unexpected and so on.
And then he got a call from the mayor of Chicago and excused himself and went back to the table and we went to the hearing.
Well, two days later, I found out from an excellent source that Mr. Obama was in residence at the White House during the time of the hearing and that the person that Mr. Farrakhan hung up on to excuse himself to talk to me was President Obama.
If we assume, President, that the President absolutely knows, or that all presidents have known for some time now, what rationale would the people who told the President about extraterrestrial presidents, what rationale would they be able to present to The president to keep that information from the American people?
Well, again, we're talking about theoretical opinion, and it's my theoretical opinion that the majority of information on ufology has now passed from government, U.S. government, or any of the other government control into the hands of huge, giant corporate world monopolies.
These are industries.
And I found out something also at the hearing I thought was quite interesting.
That was the Eisenhower speech where he warned about the military-industrial complex.
But for the sake of this conversation, Doctor, you've got to pretend to be the person who absolutely has to convince me that this information cannot be given to the American people because they're not ready or whatever.
I would tell you that, number one, that it is not in the interest of this nation's security to give you this information because of the advanced nature of what is going on.
Maybe it's monitoring after there has been abduction.
Whatever it is, it's...
It's either good or it's really bad.
I have no way of knowing, and I guess nobody really does until one day when it's all made clear to us, and that may be a good or a bad day as far as humanity is concerned.
But if you'd like to call and you have a question, we've got a great phone number.
They don't come any better, 855-REAL UFO.
That's 855-REAL-UFO, or 855-732-5836.
So, Doctor, you think that presidents know about all of this, and they are told something that prevents them from going on TV and telling everybody.
God knows every now and then a president needs something to take the American people's minds off of whatever political mess they're in at the moment, right?
And I think, you know, sometimes I feel sorry for presidents and other leaders of countries because they've lost the control.
This country is, you know, our own country is not functioning now as it was set up to be, as our forefathers, I'm sure.
I don't have to tell you the implications of that.
But, you know, they try, and some of them may be very sincere in doing the job that they're doing.
But without the information, they're just like scientists who say, you know, I can't discuss this because I might lose my job.
Or number two, look at the, we had one day of sworn testimony from military witnesses, an entire day at the hearing, in which they testified they had to sign oaths of secrecy.
And another thing that our audience might be interested in knowing, and I didn't know it, I learned as much there as maybe they did.
But I found out that they told us that these oaths that are taken of secrecy are not oaths to the organization for which the individual works with.
In other words, if they were in the NSA or CIA or military intelligence and they took an oath of secrecy, that was not an oath that was given to that particular department, but that was an oath to the Constitution.
The Constitution of the United States also has the right of regress so that every single one of them has the legal right to go before Congress and say, I'm taking it back, I'm taking my word back, and I'm going to tell whoever it is that I want to tell.
I'm going to, you know, if I'm going to go out, I'll go out in a blaze of glory.
I did one of the other radio shows one night, and I was on a cell phone talking, and I got cut off the air when I got home.
I thought my battery went dead, and the phone, the dashlights dimmed in the car, and I got home, and the battery wouldn't take a charge, so I took out the battery, and it was fried.
I think if you stay within the limits or within the boundaries of what they think isn't going to bother the public or the security of, I'm not going to say the security of the nation, but the security of the greedy few, let me put it that way, that you may be okay.
All right, I've got another avenue I want to go down here very quickly with you, and that is, look, you just said a few minutes ago that you had shingles a couple hours ago, you had shingles, and it kind of wiped you out financially.
Now, you're a physician.
You've got to be, one would imagine, making a pretty good living.
And my question is this, what in the world, doctor, would cause somebody like yourself who could have a nice, comfortable life, he's a doctor, could be making good money and just enjoying life and laying back, to begin to investigate extraterrestrial presence on Earth and all of these UFO sightings and, in your case, implants in human beings.
I mean, my gosh, doctor, that's quite a jump to take, and I'm sure a very costly jump in many ways.
It was a costly jump, not necessarily because of my illness, but when I got involved in the situation, you know, there wasn't any money to do research, so I started financing it myself.
Right.
And I've dumped a large sum of money into trying to find out, you know, this kind of information.
I remember my father bringing the newspaper and putting it down on the kitchen table, reading the headline to my mother, the U.S. Army Air Force captures fly saucer.
And then he went on into a long dissertation about, you know, I always told you, honey, that we're not the only living intelligent beings in this vast universe.
And I stood there as a kid in the kitchen and listened to all this, and it made quite an impression upon me.
And then when the headline came out, it's not a saucer, it's a balloon.
My father was a very simple, practical person.
You know, if you considered yourself a plumber, then you better know which way water went and the other stuff went too.
You know, if you were a mechanic for a car, then you better know everything about an engine.
So I remember he said to my mother, and he was irate and furious, do you mean to tell me that the United States Army Air Force can't tell the difference between a balloon and a father?
Okay, I can understand the profound impact that would have on you from your father, no doubt about it.
But what I guess I mean here, Doctor, is as you I could understand you having this as a kind of a hobby, as a kind of a thing to occupy you when you're not professionally engaged.
However, as you begin a career as a physician, to decide to speak out publicly, that's a pretty big, expensive move.
Well, you've got to remember, you know, that when I started doing this, even organizations like MOFAN wouldn't accept alien abduction as a real entity.
Oh, I know.
You know.
Things flying in the sky, somebody flying them comes from somewhere else.
Maybe they land once in a while, do this, do that.
Stan Friedman talks.
Then all of a sudden, we start hearing about Betty and Barney Hill and Lily Schriever and a number of the other abduct Travis Walton, etc., etc., etc.
cases.
And then John Mack appears on the scene and adds legitimacy to a subject.
Here's a Harvard professor of psychiatry, and he's working with this guy, Bud Hopkins.
And they're doing hypnosis, and these things couldn't be real.
That's about the time I got into this.
And here's a guy comes along and says, I have x-rays of a foot with alien implants.
I heard that.
I turned around and laughed my butt off and walked away.
So somebody else told me to come back.
Oh, come on.
Listen to what he has to say.
So I did.
As a challenge, I said, well, if you think these objects are so unusual, why don't you just take them out and see what they are?
But, you know, again, the synchronicity took over, and I started finding things that I couldn't understand, and I had to talk to people.
You know, I just found something doing the surgery.
Have you ever seen anything like this before?
No.
What is it?
Well, I don't know.
You know, how do you get the shell off?
How do you get the material off?
I don't know.
It's so hard we can't cut it through it with a scalpel.
And so the word started getting around for the people I was asking, and it just began to spread until more people, you know, just started piling up.
More people started hearing about it.
And then if anybody had told me that I would write a book, well, what I mean by I'm going to write a book on foot surgery or something else, yeah, maybe.
But to write a book on something as strange as abduction and implants, I would have told them they were insane.
So people say, you know, this is some interesting data.
Maybe other people would want to know about this.
And then I met John White, who was a book agent, and he becomes my agent.
And I turn out writing this book.
And then after that, I started out.
I didn't want anybody to know who I was.
I was Dr. Rick, Dr. P, you know, some guy doing these weird surgeries.
And then more and more and more people got interested until my name got out there.
And I have to thank Ryan for his kindness in putting this material together in such a way that I can have it on my computer and then use it, for example, in the fashion that I send it to you.
He organized a lot of these videos and gave me information that I didn't have.
Ryan, so is that what you're doing, organizing things for the doctor?
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Yeah, basically, everything is public information already.
And it was basically broadcast all over the news in Turkey.
And basically, all that I've done is just translated it from Turkish to English and tried to just sort of break the news in the United States, so to speak.
But I wanted to ask Roger, could you go into more detail about you were standing on the beach and can you describe what you saw?
I mean, I think it would be important for the audience to hear that you saw entities there.
Yeah, the first place, as Ryan mentioned, this was not right on the beach.
It was kind of an elevated platform area where we could walk into a very large patio.
And there were a number of us there.
I was certainly not the only one there.
As I mentioned in 2009, there was a whole other camera crew there with Jaime Hassan and so on.
But we looked at the area, the sea was calm, and the moon was very bright.
And I was saying to myself, after we surveyed the area with binoculars, looking for light contamination and seeing what the weather was like and no clouds and so on.
And the wind was a very shallow breeze, not enough to cause any distortion in the camera, although as I said, it was mounted on a tripod.
And then so to begin with, we began looking at the moon.
And so we started focusing on the moon because the moon was bright.
And then when we did this, maybe about 200 magnification, we saw a bright light that was just to the left and below the moon.
And so the camera operator moved that lens over to focus the viewfinder on that bright light.
And then we began zooming on that object a little bit at a time and make sure it stayed in focus.
And there it was.
And so I said, look at this, look at this.
And then the dog started barking.
And a lot of people came over and they were astonished at what we were seeing.
We were able to get tight enough on the front of the object that we can see that there was entities in these three ports.
The outside of the craft was being lit by the moon, but there was light that was coming from the interior of the craft that was lighting this area where these entities were.
Now, you could see through the camera that they all didn't look like the same kind of entity.
And, you know, they were moving around and they were manipulating something.
They were doing something as we were watching them.
With the naked eye, looking through the lens finder in the camera was just about what you're seeing.
Now, if you go to full image analysis under show references, you're going to see analysis of the Cumbergus Turkey UFO videos, graphic analysis.
And it was done by Mario Valdez, Santiago, Chile.
If you scroll down the page, you'll see the first two pictures, you'll see what we saw basically through the camera was two entities which you couldn't see really distinctly.
A lot of people are on the road right now in terms of the market.
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Mary, do you have to interject here and say that?
You know, it might be disturbing to some people who are not used to seeing this type of thing.
And people should know that.
It might be shocking to some people.
But one thing to know about these videos is that they were given to the Turkey Scientific and Technology Board, which is sponsored by the government.
And they tried to debunk it, tried to debunk it, and had to finally release a two-page report that concluded that these are not balloons, they're not models, etc.
And then also, I've had conversations with Bruce Maccabee, and Bruce Maccabee has said publicly that to him, this is not a hoax.
So, you know, everything is pretty much publicly available now for the public.
If you want to see actual aliens, actual creatures, now we finally, after all this time, actually have credible photographs, not hoaxes like we've seen in the past.
And also in Turkey, Roger, maybe you could talk about the culture in Turkey.
I mean, this was all over the headline news in Turkey and all over Europe and everywhere, and we didn't hear a peep about it here in the United States.
That's basically the reason why I've just tried to document it here.
I just documented what is already publicly available and just translated it from Turkish to English.
And I'll get off the phone and let the next caller come in.
So, reverse the breaking this, the translated stuff, all of it, it's up on the website.
And there's a lot to go through.
So if you want to know whether or not they're really here, this would be a case you can investigate until your eyes blur and you'll get real information.
This is dark matter.
Sometimes I've got to just scratch my head.
Scott from Pasadena sends a wormhole message to me.
And by the way, you can do that.
Go to RBL.com.
And when you go to the wormhole, whatever you enter there, type in, comes to me in the form of a statement or a question or whatever.
And Scott from Pasadena says...
Enough already.
My goodness gracious, Scott.
If we have somebody on here who comes on and makes claims and gives us nothing to back it up, you're screaming bloody murder about where's the proof?
Where's the meat?
Well, they give you the proof and they give you the meat and you complain about that.
Just I don't know.
Shaking my head.
Scott, about the meeting.
Most of the comments, though, are very, very good about tonight's guest appearance.
I mean, really good.
Excellent.
We are getting a list of 1001 errors, but those are getting reported too by the same means.
And I want to correct something, or maybe I want to correct something.
I'm not sure.
From San Diego, your guest misspoke.
According to the documentary, Why We Fly 2005, it's the Military Industrial Congressional Complex.
Back to the phones we go, and let's go to Texas and Jess.
Hi.
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Hey, Art Roswells.
I want to be very clear before I make my comment and ask my question that none of this is personal about Dr. Lear.
You've always been a really good listener over the years, Dr. Lear, and I still feel that way.
This is more about the credibility of a few of the things that you've said and some of the folks you've brought up, because I really am interested in how you feel about it.
It's an interesting topic.
First of all, you've mentioned Senator Mike Gravelle a lot of times, and you've said that he's got a PAC in Washington organization that he's working on this.
And I just frankly, sorry, I just don't think that Senator Mike Gravelle is very credible.
He was a senator 30 years ago from Alaska.
When he ran for the Democratic nomination, he got 1% of the vote, and he made Dennis Kucinich look like Henry Clay.
And frankly, Senator Mike Gravelle is just not the kind of guy who's going to make the government or anybody at the UN listen.
But what really made me wonder, and I really want your comments on this, is the idea, and I'm a conservative Republican, but I don't think President Obama is stupid enough to talk to Louis Viricon about UFOs on the phone, by text message, by email, by instant message, or anything.
And I just don't think that that's a very credible kind of thing.
And anybody that would claim that, I think, frankly, loses their credibility instantly.
And the other thing I was going to say, Art, is on the citizen hearing, very interesting stuff.
You can look it up.
It's all on the web.
There's videos and so forth.
But each of the participants was paid $20,000 for their participation.
So, you know, you have to ask, even though some of them may be very well-intentioned or credible or what have you, some of the participants perhaps participated because they were paid.
And I do think that calls into question some of the credibility of it.
So the question, really, Dr. Glear, is not about the other things that you say, which I think are very interesting and raise a lot of provoking questions.
It's more about the idea that if you're serious or if the UFO community is serious about getting information from the government or having a thing at the United Nations, why wouldn't you bring in more credible people than Louis Firrakan and Mike Gravelle and some of these other folks?
Well, I don't know whether to sit here and bust out laughing or what our caller is focusing in on things that he knows obviously made it very apparent absolutely nothing about.
Senator Mike Gravelle, no matter what his popularity rating or what he did during the time he was in Congress, was the single one person who was either the hero or the opposite for releasing the Pentagon Papers.
Up until the time that Senator Gravelle did this, there was one person, one congressperson at a time that was allowed in a room with no pad, no pencil, no paper, no camera, no recording devices, and they were able to look at the Pentagon Papers one-on-one, one at a time.
And he didn't think that this was the proper thing to do.
So after going through the rigmarole of arguing with his colleagues, he held a filibuster in Congress and he read each one of the single papers into the congressional record.
Now that takes guts.
I don't know Senator Gavelle.
I never met him before in my life.
I don't know what his political views are, but I've talked to him extensively about things that are in existence today, the world, the government, the United States government, other governments, and he's spot on.
As far as the history of this country from where it started with its founding fathers, he's right on.
So as far as I'm concerned, he's a very credible person.
Now, in reference to Louis Farrakhan, our caller doesn't know anything about Louis Farrakhan.
He's probably never met the man.
And if he has, I'd be very much surprised that what he's saying has any credibility whatsoever.
I did meet with him.
I met him personally before the conference that he had on the Savior's Week where I gave information to the American Muslim audience that he had there.
But he has his own personal experiences, as does his family, with UFOs.
Now, a lot of people don't know that.
It's not public knowledge.
And what I found out about his relationship with the president was not from him.
He wouldn't tell me anything like that.
That would be absolutely ridiculous to assume anything like that.
That information came to me from his guards, Who obviously were some branch of the Secret Service?
They operated with armor-plated, armed Hummer limousines, and they were in constant contact with the Secret Service that surrounds the President.
The first thing, Art, that they said on the opening day of the conference is that we are going to get criticized because we accepted $20,000 for our appearance here at this committee meeting.
Now, he says, I want you all to consider that, number one, we're retired congresspeople, and we are spending an entire week here from 7.30 in the morning until late at night doing press interviews, getting very little sleep.
And if you add the $20,000 that we were receiving that, it barely pays for the expenses and the loss of income that we have because they came out and said we charge $25,000 or $30,000 for an appearance at either a Republican conference or a Democratic conclave.
So, in other words, they put it out to the public first.
They were getting paid for a solid week and more of God knows how many hours per day and studying the material besides.
When I did my testimony, when I gave my testimony in order to stay within time constraints, I handed them at least 400 pages of material, which they had to go through the night before.
So if you figure how much time they spent, hey, $20,000 a piece is not that much.
Well, I think the purpose for what's going on is a bit, I wouldn't call it altruistic or some entities trying to do something for the human race.
I think that the human race has gotten to the point where we are initiating things which reflect elsewhere in our solar system and somewhere else.
Now, we know that the release of nuclear energy, the way that we've been releasing it, like in the form of a bomb, also releases a magnetic wave which comes off of this planet and leaves.
We don't have the slightest idea of where it's supposed to go or whatever.
Well, I'm both optimistic and pessimistic at the same time.
I think that from what I see on a world scale, and if you've got to look at things all over the world and not listen to the news that you get from the usual channels, Earth-based channels, the things you're getting now are representative of the truth.
You listen to the Art Bell Show or some of the things that are on the Internet.
It's the first time in history where people at least have the opportunity to hear the truth about what's going on.
So we have to look at the world in its entirety and you look and you see what's going on.
For example, let's take the Middle East.
This all started in one country, which was Egypt.
And who started this conflict?
The conflict was started by people less than 35 years of age who did it without a gun.
Hi, I was listening to yours and the doctor's conversation about the UFO over Turkey.
Yes.
And I drive a semi-truck and I don't have a computer, so I was wondering if it's after a week or so that I get home to look at some of these pictures on the internet.
I think you'll also be able to see it through my website, which is alienscalpel.com.
Alienscalpel.com.
And you can go and look at the Cumbergus footage there and also the analysis.
And I might mention also, Art, that on the analytical section from Mario that was done in Chile down towards the bottom of it there is a drawing that was made by uh David Chase from the an abduction case which is very interesting and he was able to draw the beings that the abductee saw on the ship they
They were a mixture of praying mantis and greys.
And the analyst chose these because out of a number of different pictures that he saw, these most resembled the ones that were on the ship.
That's why I think that the Roper polls that were done were very conservative polls because who's going to come along and pass out that information?
I'm just saying that on the basis.
I run between 3,000 and 4,000 emails behind a week.
And then I have to sift through or I have help that doesn't sift through all that material and try and find out people that I really want to contact and talk to.
But then when you get down to the bare bones of who sends you an X-ray and who has an object, it's about 15%.
And that's just about what we do with bears when we want to find out about their hibernation habits in the winter and see mammals that we put tags on and see where they go and what they eat and what their predators are.
So, you know, based on human logic, which I say is, you know, may not not be logic that's 80 million years older than we are, but at least based on human logic, that's, you know, sounds like a pretty good figure.
be the next next go-around well in my in my view you know i look at the situation and you know if we're dealing with intelligences that are that much older than we are as i said i don't think they're altruists that are necessarily here to help the human race.
I think that they're here to preserve the integrity of the universe, which we don't really understand.
But the things that they're doing, for example, the hybrid program, assuming that that's true, that they are building hybrids, maybe, again, this is just a gift, is all it is.
But we can put forth the idea that perhaps if all else fails, you know, they may have a collection of the DNA from everything that's on this earth and plan to establish beings that will take the place of Homo sapiens.
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I kind of get that feeling.
It's just kind of an instinct-type feeling, you know.
And it just, what we're doing with our GMOs and plastics and everything else is basically, you know, destroying the DNA code in the human race.
GMOs are doing exactly that because when you take DNA from a spider and you inject it into corn seed and then you get hybrid corn that you feed cattle and then the cattle become congenitally deformed within three and a half years and the plant shrinks half the size and won't take up water.
I mean, you're not doing much good for the human race.
You know, that's really, really bad stuff.
unidentified
That's not looking real good for us if we keep hugging our chemist guys, you know, or it's not looking good.
Doctor, you know, you pointed out earlier, we're getting older, you and I. With respect to yourself, as a physician and a surgeon, where are the next Dr. Lears coming from?
Where are the next?
It seems to me that the number or pool of PhDs, the Dr. Max, it seems like it's getting smaller and smaller, and I'm not sure I see the replacements.
Well, I think you're right in regards to what we know.
The thing that's different is maybe in what we don't know.
For example, years ago, where were the Richard Dolans?
Whoever heard of Richard Dolan?
So unfortunately or fortunately, I still attend a certain number of UFO conferences, and I sit there and I listen to young guys who I've never heard of before, and I'm surprised at their intellect and knowledge.
Jordan Maxwell is my age and spent 56 years studying the way this world is put together and works.
But he has a lot of students.
There's a lot of students around the world that are talking about the same subjects and putting this information out to the public.
So I don't think they've gained the, it's not fame, but it's gained a name for themselves yet that they are authorities.
And again, you look at the books, you look at the literature, it's still being written.
This is being written as you and I talk on this program.
So if you have a question for Dr. Lear, wherever you are, here, Canada, or the rest of the world, please get on Skype and buzz me.
I want to play with my Skype.
And by the way, we're going to have open lines in the first hour of the program tomorrow night.
I repeat.
Open lines in the first hour of the program tomorrow night.
So please keep that in mind.
All right.
Let us.
And by the way, if I am drawn Skype and you hear audio, just let it go.
It means you're going to be coming up shortly.
And by the way, those of you who do try Skype, please try and have headphone mic so that we can hear you well or just get real close to the mic, whatever.
Back now with Dr. Lear, and we go to California and Glenn.
I saw Dr. Roger Lear at a San Francisco Bay Area UFO conference a few years ago, and I did write down the frequencies that the alien implants transmit.
I don't know if you would like me to give that information or not.
Can I mention one other thing real quickly about our DNA?
It might be a quantum antenna and using scalar waves riding along these frequencies for the aliens or whoever's receiving them.
And I do believe that NASA and SETI and other experimental frequencies in that range are in that range that were mentioned by Dr. Lear, without getting into any specific frequencies.
But some of that has extended to other aspects of human life, especially here in the United States.
I always said that people ask me all the time, would we be able to handle it?
If the public knew, would be able to handle it.
Or it would be a panic.
And my answer to that is if a huge craft, five football fields in length, huge width, landed on a freeway, let's say in Southern California during rush hour, how would the people react?
And my answer to that would be most of them would be on their cell phones or some other form of media, and they would be calling Caltrans for the state of California to get the thing moved because they had to get somewhere or to the Rams game.
They wouldn't care whether it came from a billion miles from space or 10 light years.
But it would have to interrupt your normal routine of life before there'd be some kind of panic.
I'm getting people calling, but I'm for some reason not connecting.
So Indiana, George, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
I had a quick question.
I don't know if it's a question, but here it goes.
I was wondering, when you was talking about the people in Turkey being used to seeing that kind of thing, do you think that might be some sort of, I don't know, prehistoric memory that might just be in, you know what I mean, in their DNA or whatever, that gets them used to it?
And also, here comes another part of that.
What about, you know, Noah's Ark landed over there?
Maybe that could have been them spreading the DNA out or collecting DNA.
That was it.
I just didn't know if that makes any sense or not, but I thought I'd give it a shot.
Well, I don't think that there's anything different about the people of Turkey than Brazil or Costa Rica or Russia or anywhere else.
Like they're basically the same DNA as we are.
It's just that the government is open and the subject is everywhere.
You can read it in the newspaper.
It's on a lot after these sightings and the report had not come out of the University of Istanbul as to whether this was photoshopped footage or whether it was real or whatever.
I did a number of television programs and the arguments were, you know, they argue about a public forum, you know, right to your face.
Well, you know, just because you look through the camera, how do you know it was real, et cetera, et cetera.
And then afterwards, that kind of died down until the report came out from the University of Istanbul.
And then, boy, we were on TV like crazy on really big shows.
I've been dealing with UFO pictures, creature pictures now for years and years and years.
And inevitably, people complain about them being too blurry, not taken well, somebody who went and grabbed the worst camera they own, or very occasionally, too good.
And when they're too good, then they're always Photoshopped or they've been tampered with in some manner.
It can't possibly be true because it's too good.
So once again, folks out there, 1-855-REAL UFO.
That's 1-855-7325836 or Skype.
If you want to give it a try, I really, really am wanting to play with this.
And maybe it's not working is what I'm thinking.
But give it a try.
So we know it works.
Art.bell51.
If you can manage to call me on Skype, I will absolutely take your call.
And in reference to the object that moved, it probably was my case.
I did a case of an airline hostess who had an object in her arm that would move anywhere within the circumference of a two and a half inch circle.
And before the surgery was performed, I could put my, and this has all been videoed.
I have this, every time I see it, it makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.
But you could put your finger next to it, and after it got to know you, it seems, you could move your finger, and it would follow your finger anywhere in this two and a half inch circle.
When we went to remove it, there was another surgeon and myself.
It took four hands to trap it, and it wasn't really attached to any undersurface structures, the subcutaneous tissue.
Most of them have to be surgically excised, removed with an instrument.
But this one, all we had to do was trap it, and once we trapped it, we just lifted it out.
And it was about the size of a very large P. It was yellow in color, and it had some coarse lines running up either side, and it was bivalved.
In other words, it opened from the middle.
It would open and close like a clam.
Now, please, please, please.
I mentioned this on a television show, and it got shown, and I got hundreds of emails from people who said, Dr. Lear said he removed a clam from a person's arm.
No, it was not a clam.
It was a bivalve, and it acted like a clam.
But we didn't get too far with the analysis, because most of these objects are preserved in the serum of the patient or the host.
And we put it in this Serum, refrigerated it, and within about seven days it began to dissolve.
I still have the serum with the material in it.
So as soon as we have enough funds, we're going to go back and do some chemistry on it.
And it comes from some extensive conversations with physicists.
The human organism, particularly, you know, Art, that your cat can see things you can't.
The human organism, the eye, is only excited by certain electromagnetic frequencies in a visual spectrum.
So what we perceive as light is mostly not light.
These are energy fields, and we're seeing different energies in different colors.
And this is the same thing that's true during the abduction phenomena where someone usually describes a bluish-white light that comes down over them and they float up in the light.
It's not light.
It's a beam of energy.
But because our eye only looks at certain degrees of the electromagnetic spectrum, we perceive it as light.
How many people have looked at the undersurface of triangles and said there's a light in each corner and a red one in the middle?
Okay, is Dr. Lear aware that there's this large hexagonally shaped vortex at the North Pole of Saturn rotating at a period of 10 hours and 40 some minutes at supposedly the same period as some sort of radio emission from the planet?
And in fact, I had some extensive conversations with Norman Bergroom, who wrote the book Ring Makers of Saturn.
That's one of the features of Saturn, which he has talked to me about.
Also, it involves the beta ring.
Most of the rings of Saturn continue continuously around the planet, except for the beta ring, which starts in one area, goes around, meets the same area, and then turns around again and goes backwards.
And at that spot, there's a rectangular object.
So there's some mysteries about Saturn, which undoubtedly go down in ancient history.
I just had one, well, I had one question earlier, but he answered it, and that was, I was going to ask how widespread it was with the implants and the adductees, and he said it was about 15%.
But I was going to ask, again, about, he had mentioned the hybrids.
Well, the platinum children is just the name, as Art mentioned before, for a new human, which I prefer to call Homo Neueticus, but they're called star children, Millennium Children, and on and on and on.
Does that have anything to do with perhaps abductees being taken and the Ova being taken from the woman and the sperm being taken from the man and those being created and sent back down to us?
Yes, I think that's exactly the situation that's going on.
They're producing a different kind of human being, which I hope will have a better consciousness so that they're better caretakers of the planet and each other.
We keep all of them until the very, very end when they are a very tiny piece which is left over after going through the fires of research.
unidentified
Excellent.
Well, I just want to say, Art, that I really appreciate you back on the air of a Las Vegas transplant here in Germany, and the Skype line really works.
That's right, except we have an order that we do it.
We first do all the exterior examination.
For example, at one time you may remember that I told you it was covered with a biological membrane, and it resulted in the fact that there was no rejection or inflammation reaction by the body.
I think you probably recall that.
Now we realize that this membrane is not external, but that there is a phase somewhere, for lack of a better term, in which the inorganic material that the implant is made of becomes biological.
And again, this is another baffling thing to academic science.
Maybe black budget science can do it, but academic science doesn't know how.
I do have just a couple of real quick questions for the doctor.
Concerning the Turkish UFOs that were sighted or seen between 2007 and 2009, did you have any witnesses that saw those UFOs enter the ocean or actually make landfall?
Not that particular UFO, but there is reports from Turkey, Australia, New Zealand, and many other different places in the world, including the United States, the coast of California, off of Catalina, where UFOs, and they call them USOs, go into the water, and then we'll come back out, break water, and do whatever it is they do.
Okay, we'll go back over here to the lines and say hello in California.
You're on the air with Dr. Lear.
unidentified
That would be Eric.
Hello, Ark.
I've got a question for you.
This is the second time I've actually got to talk to you, but I have listened to pretty much all of your shows, and all your guests give you a lot of information in regards to UFOs.
And I hear about different people that disappear or die of different circumstances that everybody thinks is suspicious.
My question for you is, and your guests, do you guys ever worry about your own safety?
And probably better not to talk a whole lot about it.
Kentucky brings Debbie without a lot of time.
Hi, Debbie.
unidentified
Hey, when I lived in Indiana, just barely north of Louisville, I was taking care of a sick horse.
And so I woke up at 3 in the morning and like, oh, God, I got to check on her.
I run out.
It was very rural.
A map die.
And there above the tree line, about 100 feet, two white lights with the red.
They were touching and silent.
And that made me wonder when the doctor said, when they're stationary, you don't see the lights.
It was floating, stationary.
And I looked at it for a couple seconds, and it slowly went to The left and made a right angle and went from zero to 3,000 or more miles per hour instantly.
So fast, in fact, when I turned around to see where it went, it was already gone.
And I told my neighbor about it, and he said, Yeah, there's a lot of sightings out here.
I think it's because we have an air beacon.
And the only people I ever met that had heard of Bab Indiana were pilots because there's an air beacon there.