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Oct. 7, 2013 - Art Bell

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Dark Matter with Art Bell - EVP Recordings - Brendan Cook - Jimmy Chunga

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unidentified		Be it sight, sound, the smell, the touch, the something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sand, or the strength of an oak moves deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up, through tarmac to the sun again, or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in the meadows.
		I have all these things in our memories home And they use them to help us To find out Yeah
		Right, right like she saw Take this place on this trip Just for me Right Take a free ride Take my place Out my seat It's for
		free I worked like a slave for years Sweat so hard just to end my fears Not to end my life But by now I know I should have grown Oh Want to take a ride from the high desert and the great American Southwest, exclusively on Sirius XM Radio?
		This is Dark Matter with your host, Art Bell.
		Now, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Extra-Terrestrial Radio, actually.
		Hey there, everybody.
		It's another Monday, and thus begins another week of Dark Matter.
		Great to be here, and I really mean that.
		It is great to be here.
		I've got good news and bad news.
		Let's cover the good news first, I think.
		Number one, we're doing ghost stories, and on Halloween, we shall rename the show Spooky Matter, which I think is just great.
		Credit to Velgab.
		Now, in order to do this properly, I want a little bit of help.
		And here's the way it goes.
		I'm hoping that many of you, well, I know already that many of you have ghost stories.
		And I want good ones, scary ones.
		The word spooky implies just what I want, spooky.
		So, if you have a good ghost story, give me only a very brief summary of it and include your phone number.
		And on Halloween night, as spooky matter commences, we may well call you.
		That's right.
		Sort of a roundabout approach, but it'll work.
		So, you know, just give me a paragraph, sort of an outline of your ghost story, okay?
		And send it to artbell at artbell.com.
		Couldn't be easier.
		Artbell at artbell.com.
		Really soliciting ghost stories and people.
		And remember now, when you said this, you have to be by your telephone on the appointed evening.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, because we'll call you.
		If you have a good ghost story, we're going to call you.
		I notice that others are copying that.
		Come right along.
		Okay, now, with regard to ghost pictures, again, a grand opportunity for you.
		In fact, we're going to have a contest.
		I have decided.
		It begins tonight.
		And I want ghost pictures.
unidentified		I want the best you've got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you have a good ghost photograph, I want you to email it to me.
		And here's what we're going to do.
		We're going to let the audience decide, I guess, by reaction who the winner is.
		And the winner is going to get a Sirius XM gift certificate.
		And what I'm striving for here is a year of free service.
		You know, serious.
		They haven't said that yet.
		They said, yes, a gift certificate.
		We'll have to confirm it if it's a year, but, you know.
		Better be.
		Should be.
unidentified		I guess I can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I shouldn't say better be.
		Better be.
		Um, a year.
		A year would be great, and we'll give it to the person who sends in.
		I mean, that's not a minor thing.
		A free year of serious exam.
		Yeah, baby.
		Okay, the government is still closed.
		They're sort of piecemealing it.
		Now, you know, I haven't.
		I have said that I'm not going to do much politics on this program, but we're going to get to something I am going to do.
		With regard to our government being closed the way it is, I have gone from amazement to anger.
		I notice CNN is measuring everybody's anger and everybody's really angry.
		And now, finally, to for me anyway, indifference.
		I just don't give a damn anymore.
		But there is something I do care about, and we'll cover that here in a few minutes.
		I have a lot of reason for you to go to artbell.com tonight.
		I have two things that you should drag your tail end over there and look at definitely.
		Both of them are excellent.
		One is a YouTube video of Sasquatch.
		Now, listen to me.
		This Sasquatch, it claims that Sasquatch sings.
		I don't know about that, but Sasquatch definitely says brother.
		I mean, definitely says brother.
		It's a video, and there purports to be video.
		I haven't seen much in the video, but the audio is pretty amazing.
		So if you want to hear Sasquatch at the very least and see where it was recorded, it's up at artbell.com right now.
unidentified		Also, I mean, it's pretty good stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also, that was recorded, by the way, it's recent, October 7th.
		We also have a UFO video recorded, I believe, October 2nd in southeast Michigan.
		This is good stuff, folks.
		Now, it was recorded by a security cam, and there is no question about the camera because you can see the glow in the sky from a nearby city, and it never moves.
		So, this is a legit UFO video, unidentified flying object.
		Now, you may not think much at first.
		It's slow to start, but you've got to watch the whole thing.
		This thing will kind of knock your socks off, I'm telling you.
		So, we've got two things at artbell.com.
		Sasquatch and a UFO video.
		Both of them have gone up there tonight.
		And, of course, a lot of other new stuff as well.
		So, get, you know, get on your computer, get your browser, point it to artbell.com and take a look.
		These are both worth going to look at.
		Don't forget ghost pictures.
		If you get them, let me see.
		Do I want them sent directly to me?
		No.
		No.
		If you get a ghost photograph and want to enter the contest with it, send it to webmaster at artbell.com.
		That way it goes directly to the man.
		Webmaster at artbell.com.
		That's Keith Rowland's address.
		He is doing artbell.com, did then, is now.
		And remember, if you've got a guest that you want to have on the program, particularly if you have contact information, please contact Paul Bowman.
		Just click on his name on the website, artbell.com, same place.
		And if at all possible, give him contact info.
		All right.
		Let's see.
		What else have I got for you tonight?
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The 90-minute, the infamous 90-minute timeout.
		We got it fixed for computers here across America, but the poor tasty Canadians still suffer the 90-minute timeout.
		Now, the American branch of SiriusXM is talking to their brethren, the tasty Canadians, about possibly instituting the same thing up there.
		So that's in the works, and I thought I'd tell you tonight.
		Tasty Canadians stand by.
		All right, I have a warning, a couple of warnings for you tonight.
		Warning number one is this program.
		This is going to be a frightening program that you're going to hear tonight.
		I really sincerely mean that.
		It is genuinely frightening.
		So, two things.
		One, if this kind of thing scares the out of you, turn it off now.
		If you have, you know, sensitive people around you who can't take this kind of thing, then turn it off.
		What you're going to be hearing tonight are the legitimate voices of ghosts, people who have passed on.
		And I will go through how we know it's legitimate, but it is legitimate and it is scary.
		So please do me a favor, and if you have anybody sensitive to this kind of thing, get them out of the room.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my big warning.
		And then on the other hand, if you like this kind of thing, turn the lights off and see how long you can take it.
		Okay, if I got everything out, I think I do.
		Just one more thing.
		And here's where I said, well, you know, normally I'm just not going to discuss politics because, frankly, to much of it, I have become indifferent.
		But, and this is really a big but if those bastards, excuse my French, but I mean it, if they're crazy enough to allow the United,
		I mean, closing the government is one thing, but a United States default, which is coming up rapidly, would be entirely a different ballgame.
		If they're crazy enough to let that happen, I just don't believe they're going to be.
		Well, let me tell you what the Treasury Department said.
		Quoting a default would be unprecedented, has the potential to be catastrophic.
		Credit markets could freeze.
		The value of the dollar could plummet.
		U.S. interest rates could skyrocket.
		The negative spillovers could reverberate around the world.
		Now that's the Treasury Department.
		And I'm here to tell you that in my opinion, if they're really crazy enough, and you know, they're being tested now, how crazy are they?
		Crazy enough to let the government be closed, but would they really let us go to default?
		Listen to me.
		This is just my opinion.
		But in my opinion, if we go into default, what happened in 2008 would be child's play.
		I'm serious.
		Child's play.
		I think it would bring on a depression.
		A severe depression.
		Could they be that out of their mind?
		Yeah, they could be.
		I don't anticipate it.
		I don't think they could be that nuts.
		But we live in strange times.
		And if I see a default really coming, I will take my marbles and go.
		And my marbles include what shekels I have that can be converted to another currency.
		My wife and my daughter, and I'm out of here.
		Back to the Philippines.
		Because what would follow would be horrible.
		And I'm serving this up to you this way because I want you to watch too.
		And protect yourself.
		Protect your family.
		With whatever you can do.
		A default would be a whole different ballgame.
		A default means the United States simply defaults on payments.
		Markets all around the world would crash.
		Anyway, I don't want to dwell on it.
		And if I do have to do that, why, I'm sure that SiriusXM can.
		You know, I've got a got the ability to do a show from the Philippines.
		I would hope I wouldn't have to do that.
		So anyway, I wanted to cover that with you.
		I know it sounds crazy, but look into it.
		And we're going to look into a guest on the subject of what would come with a default.
		As I said, I don't dwell on politics, but this is of a such it's of such a very serious nature that I thought I'd bring it up.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On with the show, as it says.
		A lot of people, a lot of you that I've talked to who have had trouble, you know, and thinking that it's serious, XM dropping out, well, guess what?
		In a lot of cases, because I know because I've called people, you know, they email me, oh, Art, it's just no good.
		It keeps dropping out.
		Well, guess what?
		About, well, better than 50% of the time, it's turned out that the reason people are having dropouts is because their internet is too weak.
		Their Wi-Fi signal is too weak.
		And so you get dropouts.
		It's dependent on that Wi-Fi signal, right?
		Well, if you would like to boost your Wi-Fi signal, I've got it right here.
		The Super USB Wi-Fi Antenna 3.
		This thing kicks butt.
		It's like a little wand with a couple of suction cups on each end, a 15-foot cord.
		All the electronics, by the way, are in the wand.
		A 15-foot cord, and a USB plug on the end.
		So all you do is plug this baby into your computer.
		You've got a 15-foot cord, suction cup it to a window.
		And when you check, you're going to be seeing Wi-Fi signals that are coming from far, far away.
		And you're going to go, oh my goodness.
		And if you're lucky, you can lock onto one of them.
		Now, if you're a trucker, there isn't anything better in the world.
		You pull into a truck stop or something, suction cup it to the window, put it to your computer, and you'll be seeing Wi-Fi signals emanating from all over the place, coffee houses and who knows who, you know, houses and businesses.
		And you're going to be in business for Wi-Fi.
		And of course, if you just have a weak Wi-Fi signal, this is going to lock you in.
unidentified		So what can I tell you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is $99.95.
		And it's worth every penny.
		Call C-Crane right now and get one on the way.
		The number is 800-522-8863.
		Once again, and operators are sitting around right now waiting for you to call.
		You know, trust me on this as everything I sell from C-Crane.
		It's good stuff.
		800-522-8863, the C-Crane Company.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Dark Matter.
unidentified		My mind and for the lunar poem is deep surrender.
		Oh, yeah.
		And I have left my dreams in me in quite a single way.
		For the history goes on the shelf.
		It's always repeating itself.
		Waterloo, I will be feeding you all the more.
		Waterloo, I promise to love you forevermore.
		Waterloo.
		Waterloo, I will be feeding you all the more.
		It's XM, baby, and we're very serious.
		To call Art Bell, please manipulate your communication device and call 1-855-Wheel UFO at 1-855-732-5836.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just once more with a warning, what we're about to do as we get into it is going to be scary, actually frightening.
		So if you can't handle it, tune to another channel.
		Here they come.
		Brendan Cook.
		We've got two guests tonight.
		Brendan Cook is one of them.
		He's one of the founding members, as you know, and key spokesperson of the GIS.
		He's been on the forefront of EVP.
		That's electronic voice phenomena research, ghost photography, and the use of modern technological devices to capture what goes on in the spirit world for 15 years now.
		He's done this by being on a number of TV shows, documentaries, and lectures.
		His knowledge, and at times, skeptical nature have also been important in giving real people comfort or the advice they need to delve deeper into what's going on at their homes or businesses.
		But most of all, he's done this by being a sought-after guest with his radio partner, Barbara Macbeth.
		And that's been for 14 years.
		His perseverance to challenge what we know about the spirit world and people's mindset has made him a pioneer in ghost investigating.
		People have changed their perception of what is real, ghosts, from the GIS core beliefs.
		They're just people.
		His research with Chunga, he's our second guest, Jimmy Chunga, has brought forth new concepts and ideas of what could be possible.
		Chunga and Brendan have been working together to bring this research to the public for 14 years.
		We've never heard from Jimmy Chunga, birth name Brett Smith.
		He's been conducting paranormal investigations all over the globe for the past 22 years and has become one of the nation's leading paranormal experts.
		We should have heard from him already.
		He's sensitive and uses this strange ability to aid in his paranormal research.
		Chunga performs almost all of his investigations with two of the country's most veteran and frankly skeptical investigators.
		First is Brendan, Brendan Cook, an EVP expert, longtime partner of Chunga's in the Ghost Investigator Society.
		The second is Ben Hansen, the star of fact or faked on the sci-fi network.
		Chunga was taught by these two experts to trust and believe in the technology of paranormal investigating, and in turn, Chunga taught them how to trust their own bodies and the instincts they feel.
		Somehow this odd matchup has produced incredible data in the world of the paranormal.
		And by the way, Chunga has been a member of the Ghost Investigators Society since 1999, even though we've never heard from him on the air.
		So there's more, but I'm going to jump to my guests.
		And the very first thing I'm going to do is say hello there to both of you.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, hi.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's a pleasure to be here.
		This is Chunga.
		And I'm a longtime fan and am honored to be here with another outstanding Sterling radio professional like you.
		I'm so excited about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can I call you Jimmy?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Sure, absolutely.
		You can call me, you know, Chunga.
		Everybody, you know, all my friends call me Chunga, but if you're more comfortable calling me Jimmy, that's, you know, be my guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Definitely, Jimmy.
		Well, it's great to have you on, Jimmy.
		It's a good, free, open format where we have more actual show than commercials.
		And I assume we also have with us tonight Brendan Cook.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm here.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I am here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you both sound great, actually.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have warned the audience suitably, I hope sufficiently.
unidentified		Uh-oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is really scary stuff.
		You guys have not been on the air now for quite some time.
		Is that correct?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, Brendan has not been on the show with you since, you know, since the old days, since I've never had the, because I have been a radio show host of my own, I've not had the ability to go on the Art Bell show, the Dark Matter Show, until now.
		And let me tell you something.
		This has been, you know, Brendan and I talking about this for months.
		You know, we are so excited.
		Well, I mean, you know, it's Art Bell, for heaven's sakes.
		You know?
		When you're a young kid, you're a young radio professional, and you're slaving away.
		You know what this is like, Art, when you're doing radio for 30 years or however long it is that you've been doing this, you've got guys that you look up to, right?
		And you were always one of those guys for me.
		So this is very, very cool, very exciting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Jimmy.
		I've got to ask this.
		Sue is sending a wormhole message to me which says, for Brendan, what's up with Barbara?
		I think it's safe to say everybody wishes her the best and misses her.
		And also, is your website active or what?
		And thanks for all your stuff.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, Barbara is fine.
unidentified		She is just getting a little older.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		She's not able to do stuff as much as she used to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So she's kind of retiring, or not fully retiring.
unidentified		No, I don't want to say retired.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		mean we still do stuff all the time it's just you Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Fair enough.
		You know, people obviously want to know, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's what I want to cover at the beginning of the program.
		And that is these are going to be voices from, we believe, ghosts, dead people.
unidentified		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You know, everybody wants to know how are these recorded?
		Well, in the old days, I know that you all used standard tape machines, right?
		Remember the old put it in and there was actually tape there that went around?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And you would take these to places that are allegedly haunted.
		Old buildings, graveyards.
		I guess you would have a long list, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Hospitals, factories, you know, old historical locations, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And these locations yield more of these electronic voices than normal locations, or do you go there for just effect?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, well, it's not so much for effect.
unidentified		It's more...
unidentified		That's where we're called.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know if that's because people think that is haunted because it's old, or...
unidentified		You know, they...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, do you think these locations are more likely to give you something than somebody's happy little household with three kids?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		A new home can be a new location.
		A recently built building can be every bit as haunted as an old historical location easily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Very, very interesting.
		Now, in the past, I've been able to say, look, you guys, including at that time, Barbara, don't make money from this.
		It's an important point.
		And that always in the past was the case.
		Is it still the case that your organization is not in this for the money?
unidentified		Never.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we've never done this for money.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We still haven't written a book.
unidentified		I mean, we've brought this up in the past.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There are so many publishers that have asked us to write a book about it, and we just say no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember, guys, we're on SiriusXM, 27 million subscribers.
		A lot of new listeners are listening right now.
		So I've got to cover a lot of the basics with you.
		And this is very important that you're not, you know, gleaning in the bucks from this, shoveling in the money.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		No, now, you know, in the interest of fairness, though, Art, we do have to tell you that sometimes lectures or paranormal events that we're a part of take place where people do pay to go.
		They do buy a ticket, but when you take a look at renting a facility or sometimes you have to pay to have access to a location, and then sometimes those locations aren't in a safe part of town, for example, you have to hire security to secure the parking lots and so on and so forth.
		So sometimes you do incur expenses, and those expenses, obviously, you know, we can't front everything.
		So some of that cost is passed on from time to time.
		But there is no one in the GIS that is, and this is one of those things that just infuriates me, it drives Barbara crazy, it drives Brendan crazy, is when people teach classes and then offer up some sort of a diploma system or a certification system.
		There is, you know, if you're out there and you're listening now, I want to ball up my fist and I want to punch you right in the butt cheek for trying to do such a thing.
		Because to me, there is nothing more fraudulent than trying to sell a certification in paranormal investigation for money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's kind of laughable anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you had a certificate that said you were a certified paranormal investigator, I don't know what it means.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It means you're a hack is what it means.
		It means you got the certification from a hack.
		It means you're a hack.
unidentified		You're a hack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Yeah, I'm kind of with you there.
		So that part's important.
		You're not going to get rich at a paranormal conference here or there.
		And in fact, probably most of the money to go and buy equipment and go to locations and investigate, I would imagine, comes out of your own pocket.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, there has been, and I'm serious, thousands of dollars that we have spent.
unidentified		I mean, all of us, all of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I totally believe you.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That is just, you know, we work day jobs to do this.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Or we make Barbara buy it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Poor Barbara.
		All right.
		And now, a number of years ago, I remember urging you to switch from tape recorders to a more modern version of some kind of digital recorder.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you did that.
		And was there any effect?
		Did you get fewer?
		Because there's a great argument in the EVP world about this, whether tape is better than digital.
unidentified		And we did.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We got better, much better voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Audio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better audio?
unidentified		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		When we switched to digital.
unidentified		When we, I mean, we completely went away from all the magnetic stuff.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And we didn't think it was going to work.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I remember the conversation.
unidentified		Yeah.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		We did not think it was going to work.
unidentified		We thought you were crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My question is, why did it work?
		We don't know.
		Right.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's one of the hardest things as a paranormal investigator.
		And I'm sure doing the show, as long as you've done this, it seems to me that the more answers you find, the more questions you have.
		And yeah, sure, we found that digital technology works well.
		You can actually record EVPs on your cell phone, your smartphone.
		Why?
		We don't know.
		I've got video of light anomalies flying into recording devices, floating into recording devices at the same time you capture an EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, stop.
		You do?
		Do you have that video?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that we have it for this week.
		See, this is like when a girl comes to your house, Art.
		We've got to save some stuff.
		So the next time you have us on, we can make sure you have access to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can do that because, believe me, I've got a website that would be jumping all around right now if you were sending that to the website.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I have, well, we have, the GIS, have video, visual evidence data of light orbs, light anomalies, whatever you want to call them.
		Everybody calls them.
		It's all the same thing.
		Everybody has different names for them.
		Flying into mag lights to turn mag lights on and off.
		We have them flying in and out of digital recorders at the same time EVPs are recorded.
		We have them floating into the spirit boxes.
		You know, there's a lot of controversy about these spirit boxes, these SB7 spirit boxes, and whether or not, you know, this is where Brennan and I, we've had some heated discussions about this because Brennan has always been of the opinion that, you know, this is nothing more than just radio audio coming through a speaker and people using the power of suggestion, which is admittedly very, very strong, to generate their own opinions about what it is that they're hearing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is a spirit box, please?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the SB7 spirit box is the next generation in EVP technology.
		And there are probably a lot of people that are listening now that are very, and justifiably so, very skeptical of the data that they get out of the SB.
		It's called an SB7 Spirit Box.
		And what it is, it's kind of a two-stage thing.
		It does a couple of things.
		It pumps EM energy out into the atmosphere, and it's a radio scanner.
		So you'll scan radio frequencies at one radio frequency for every fourth of a second.
		So one second in the amount of time it takes you, you know, one Mississippi, you have scanned four radio frequencies.
		And you can actually speed it up and slow it down.
		And what has happened is it's generating EM energy and generating white noise.
		Spirits have found a way to communicate through the spirit box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Slow down, I want to ask you a question.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said it emanates electromagnetic energy.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, are you saying the scanner transmitted?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		The unit itself pumps out electromagnetic energy.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		This is kind of along the same lines of the SpiritCom that we played.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		We'll get to that.
		We'll get to that.
		And by the way, EVP itself goes back to...
unidentified		It goes back to Gregorian monks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that Alexander Graham did some EVP stuff.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		He was working on the device.
		It was Thomas Edison.
		They were all working on devices to create something to communicate with the dead.
		I mean, it's human nature to want to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For some people.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's human nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not one of those things that everybody longs to do.
		Hey, I think I'll talk to the dead today.
		Now, I want to know, let's come back to the spirit box.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A scanner itself might emanate a little bit of electronic or EMP of some sort.
		Not a pulse, actually, but it might radiate a little bit.
		But generally, it's a receiver, not a transmitter.
		Do you have another device in there that actually transmits electromagnetic energy?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, I wish I had it here with me now so that I could really kind of get into the X's and O's of it with you.
		What it does do, it's a really, as far as paranormal investigating goes, in many cases, it's actually cheaper than a lot of the digital recorders that you can get your hands on.
		It runs you about $70 to $80, depending on where you buy it, and operates like a very simple portable transistor radio.
		Now, they've done something to it.
		You know, the extent or the amount of electromagnetic energy that it pumps out into the atmosphere, you know, with respect to you and your listeners, I wouldn't want to speculate.
		I honestly don't know just exactly how much it does put out into the atmosphere.
		But what it does do is it does put some electromagnetic energy into the atmosphere and scans and generates white noise at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody sells these things or what?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Yeah, you can go grab one in your next commercial break.
		Go pull up Amazon and you can go order one.
		They're readily available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sorry, what are they called again, please?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		The SB is in Bravo.
		S is in Sam.
		B is in Bravo.
		Number seven, SB7 Spirit Box.
		And it's from, I think, ITC or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter.
		They'll find it.
		They'll find it.
		We'll find it.
		The SB7 Spirit Box.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all right, so there's a scanner in there looking at four frequencies every second.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can do it on AM or FM bandwidth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how are you recording voices?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not recording on the actual unit.
		So you have to use it in concert with a video camera or a digital recorder.
		And it works very much like a typical session in which you would take your digital recorder and ask questions and then play your digital recorder back later.
		The difference is, is there's a lot more noise involved.
		Some people don't like it because it's pretty noisy.
		A lot of people attach external speakers to it and then they ask a question and the response, if there's any paranormal activity in the area, is immediate.
		You don't have to play your tape back.
		You don't have to spend hours hunched over a computer listening.
		You can hear the voices back immediately.
		And the nice thing, the cool thing about this is, is that if you were getting audio from one sweep, you would know it.
		You can get full sentences.
		You can get names.
		You can get intelligent responses from the other side.
		And you can hear the radio frequencies sweeping underneath the voices.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I mean, to be a perfect example.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We did an investigation at the mausoleum that we always used to talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we used this device, and the voice was saying, because we were all kind of being loud.
unidentified		We had a bunch of people there.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we had about seven, eight people there.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which is more than we normally have.
unidentified		And the voice just simply said, be quiet.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That was it.
unidentified		I mean, on this device, it just said, be quiet.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And it's, again, it's a contextual thing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, if it was random, I could understand that.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		But when it's contextual like that, and it has to do with what you're dealing with and, you know, what's happening, that's Brendan was very, as you know, you've had Brendan and Barbara for years.
		Brendan is very skeptical.
		When I was learning how to do this, I trained primarily under Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a little skeptical too.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's great.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And you should have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you why.
		Let me tell you why.
		If you've got what amounts to a scanner in there, then you're listening to radio frequencies.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And even if it's just white noise, well, if you should suddenly get a voice, that could come from, I don't know, a shortwave broadcast station.
		It could come from me.
		I'm on the air all the time.
		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So how many years have we brought that up where it's, you know, people with EVP have said, okay, it's baby monitors.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's, I mean, how many years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
		Exactly.
		So that's why I'm skeptical.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I'm skeptical as well.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's just when it's in context like that and it happens over and over is where it's...
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And we were standing next to their vaults in the mausoleum.
		And we were getting intelligent responses.
		They were telling us their names.
		They were telling us the year and date that they died, you know, the exact date and year that they died.
		At one point, they had a couple, they had a picture of the couple on their vault.
		And they were very specific.
unidentified		Yeah, where the vault is.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And you remember, Brendan, I said, Jake, you and your wife are a beautiful couple.
		And the voice of an old man came through the radio and said, yes, I know.
		Very intelligent responses.
		And if, again, the thing that you want to listen for so carefully with these spirit box sessions is, are the voices coming through as the radio is sweeping underneath?
		Does the voice change?
		Does it change?
		Does it go male to female, for example?
		Does it change in age from young to old?
		Now, it's been our finding, and Brendan is a bit of a convert to this because he's seen it in action.
		And it has blown us all away because the voices are consistent as the radio is sweeping underneath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sorry, I have a quick question for you, and you may not be able to answer, but typically, what frequencies do you scan?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It scans the entire band.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		So it will start at one end, you know, at 88.whatever, and then scan all the way up to 107.9.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the FM band.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Either or.
		You can also scan on the AM band.
		We've also had a lot of luck in locations that are underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you're going to hear FM stations, right?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you scan FM, you're going to hear FM stations.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You are, but it's only for a fourth of a second.
		Now, think for a moment how quickly, you know, Art Bell, that's what, a second, second and a half.
		In that amount of time, you should hear four to five radio sweeps underneath that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You will hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, these voices come over to the scanning frequencies.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I still don't like it as well as going in with a recorder and a microphone.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Which is, I mean, all the voices that we brought tonight, none of them are from this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the spirit box?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		This is what Chunga was talking about before, or Jimmy was talking about before.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, we'll save that for later because it's almost a whole show on its own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call him Jimmy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, saying Chunga, Chunga sounds like somebody you bring with you when you want to collect on a loan that you've been having trouble with.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, shall we break his leg?
unidentified		If you ever need somebody for that, give me a call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what we're going to hear tonight, this comes from digital recorders with only a microphone hooked up, or in some cases, no mic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you experimented both ways?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, and actually, some of the ones that you're going to hear are not even from digital.
unidentified		I mean, they are from real analog.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're not even analog.
unidentified		They're real-to-reel recorders.
unidentified		I mean, they're that bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know you guys have been doing this a long time.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess here comes a question.
		Well, you know what?
		I have to take a break.
		You guys relax for a moment, and we'll be right back to you.
		We're going to be playing these cuts for you shortly, and I do warn you, these really are scary.
		Seriously scary things.
		But that's what we do.
		It's called Dark Matter.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		On a morning from a forgot movie In a country where they turn by time You go strolling through the crowd like People are contemplating a
		crime She comes out of the sun and a silk dress Running like a water cup in the rain Don't bother asking for explanation She will tell you that you can In the air of the car
		You got me running, going out of my mind You got me thinking that I'm wishing my time Don't bring me down No, no, no, no, no
		I'll tell you one more Before I get off the floor Don't bring me down You wanna see us with your fancy friends I'm telling you it's gotta be near Don't bring me down No, no, no, no, no No, no, no, no, no No, no, no, no, no No, no, no, no, no I'll tell you one more Before I get off the floor Don't bring me down
		the area of 61.
		This is Dark Matter with Art Bell.
		To join the show, please call 1-855-REAL UFO.
		That's 1-855-732-5836.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brendan Cook, Jimmy Chunga, are my guests from the GIS.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Dark Matter.
		During the break, I did exactly as requested and looked up the SB7, as I'm sure many of you did, and learned quite a bit.
		And it is interesting, I must say.
		And actually, they recommend scanning from 76 megahertz to 87.9, so that really does keep it out of the FM band.
		And it has what's called a proprietary white noise enhancement.
		And really, there have been a lot of ghost investigations conducted by people using white noise.
		That's just, you know, like you turn on a radio to no radio station and you just get noise, right?
		That's white noise.
		Or TV.
		White noise.
		And apparitions and EVPs have been all around white noise.
		There was a movie called White Noise, you may recall.
		Okay, gentlemen, welcome back.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Hey, good to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it is very interesting.
		I'm skeptical, but that's not what we're talking about anyway tonight.
		It's just interesting.
		You guys don't sell the SB7.
unidentified		No.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, heavens, no.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't sell anything.
unidentified		Okay, good.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Like I said before, we have had offers to sell a million things that you don't do it.
		I don't remember.
		If you recall years ago, you know, when we were still using the old magnetic tape, there was somebody that claimed we were selling things for Sony, I believe.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		There was like a product endorsement.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may have mentioned that you were using a Sony.
		I asked you what you were using.
		That's what it was.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and people were saying, you know, is this what you're selling?
unidentified		So, I mean, people are always going to be skeptical about this.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I'm not skeptical.
		It's why you've been on the air with me for years, because I'm not skeptical.
		I'm convinced that these voices are from the other side.
		I am absolutely convinced.
		And I don't convince easily.
		So I'm a believer.
		Now, we're about to turn and actually play some of these.
		So I'm telling you folks, be careful.
		This will, as it adds up through the evening, be very frightening.
		I think for me, hearing voices from the dead is genuinely profoundly frightening.
		It actually frightens me.
		Now, you guys can give me your take on it.
		Does it ever frighten you, or are you so used to it now that you just take it and stride?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's one of those things that you never really get used to.
		I mean, you do in the fact that there is a voice there.
		Obviously, the first voice that we ever recorded was so shocking.
		And because, as I've said, I was so much of a skeptic that I never thought this would work.
		So when I recorded a child saying something, it's how did that happen?
		And racking my brain trying to figure it out.
		So you never really get used to it, but at the same time, it's kind of, okay, there's going to be something there at some point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hearing a child's voice is particularly upsetting, actually.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the children are, I don't want to say horrible, but they are.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I think they're horrible.
		I don't think they're kids.
		It's another thing where Brendan and I kind of go back to the city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seriously?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think they are?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, in order to believe that you are getting a voice from the other side, you kind of have to believe in a higher power, correct?
		I mean, that's, you know, in order to believe in the relevance of that, then you would have to believe in God or some sort of higher deity.
		Okay.
		Well, it's hard for me to come to grips or get my arms around the fact that if you've got some all-knowing, all-loving, omnipresent, benevolent entity, that that entity would then, that God, that deity, whatever you want to call it, would then allow an innocent, harmless child to wander lost as a spirit on earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am so with you.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I really struggle with that, and I'm really terrified of children's voices.
		I get scared when we capture them because I think it's something else.
		People, by their very nature, you know, it's human nature to want to help the defenseless.
		It's human nature to root for the underdog.
		It's human nature to want to engage with someone in need.
		So if there's someone that wants to deliver harm or bad energy or hurt onto somebody that is living, what better way than to get their guard down?
		What better way than To put them in a different frame of mind and change them from a defensive nature to a position of, I'm here to help you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		And here's another question for you, if you don't mind.
		Sure.
		Obviously, tonight, as people hear these voices, some of them, very few, are happy.
		Many are not happy.
		Many are hard to understand in terms of what they're saying.
		In other words, as people listen to these, they're trying to discern what is the nature of the other side.
		What's it like after you die?
		And some of these that they're going to hear are not helpful in feeling warm and fuzzy about when that time comes.
unidentified		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, and you're absolutely correct.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the other side, and doing this for as many years as we have, we got into this trying to figure out what the other side was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, that's the ultimate question, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, this hasn't helped, which is that.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I would even argue that we actually know less now than we did before.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		We're more confused now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, then, here comes a big one.
		And maybe the last one before we get going, but I would like to know your opinion, having done this for years and years and years and years, about whether these are people that we're hearing from that are in heaven, or these are people that we're hearing from that have died but are on earth, stuck on earth for some period of time?
		Or in some cases, are we hearing from people that are burning?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, I hate to answer it this way, but honestly, I think it's everything.
		I think judging by some of the voices, and again, context is the biggest part of this.
		Context is everything.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		How relevant are the answers to the questions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I would say that we have a little bit of everything.
unidentified		We've recorded voices from everything.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And how, again, how we do this, I'm not sure how it works, but I do believe we have recorded voices from hell.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I believe we have recorded voices from people that have been stuck here.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Recorded voices from things that have never been human and have never had a bot, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a big one.
unidentified		It's terrifying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would call those things what?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Demons.
		I don't know.
		You know, it may sound kind of schmaltzy or kind of corny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, Barbara never would have said that.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, there were many times where Barbara had a stick at the ready, you know, to punish me for even suggesting something like that.
		But the truth is, is that...
		Oh, you know, that's a relief, actually, because I thought it was just me.
		You know, being the guy who studied directly under her for a decade, that woman has forgotten more about this than most of us will ever know.
		But she was very spiritual and very mystical and had a very different way of doing this than Brendan has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let us not speak of her as in the past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She is still around.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		We're eulogizing her, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's still around.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably kicking the radio right now, but she's still around.
		So you actually think, you know, some of these you believe, and I do too, I must say, I think I've heard EVPs from demons.
		I really believe that.
		Either that or somebody really screwing with you.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, we've got some things here tonight that Brendan and I have recorded and have had sent to us over the years.
		You know, a culmination of the three that will really give you pause, really going to make your blood run cold.
		You know, one of these, well, more than one of these, several of these made me physically nauseous when I heard them.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's been my experience in past shows, and hence my warning to the audience.
		All right, let's get underway.
		I had to do it, and so I did listen to the first one.
		I thought it was not particularly good.
		But let me reevaluate as I listen.
		Now, what's really cool is that we're on Sirius XM, and people are getting really good signals.
		So they're not straining to hear this through the static of an AM station 600 miles away.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're hearing it very clearly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So tell me about number one, and then we'll take off here and do it.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So in this one, you remember years ago the mausoleum that we always talked about.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we have done this mausoleum investigation, I would say, over 150 times.
unidentified		And we just barely went back, what was it, two weeks ago?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		About two weeks ago.
unidentified		About two weeks ago.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And you actually hear the owner of the mausoleum, his wife, says that poor girl is going to be terrified.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And she's referring to this girl that we had brought.
unidentified		It's her first ghost investigation she's ever done.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And the mausoleum, honestly, for anybody who hasn't been there or hasn't ever done this, is one of the scariest places to ever go.
		I mean, whether you're doing ghost stuff or not.
		I mean, it's just to be there is terrifying.
		So you hear that woman say, that poor girl is going to be terrified.
		And then an EVP says, Ben, come over here.
		And the EVP is almost androgynous.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's not really telling.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		To me, it doesn't even sound male or female.
unidentified		It just sounds like a voice.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And here's the contextual thing we were talking about.
		Ben, which we talked about earlier in the show, Ben Hansen from Sci-Fi's Factor Faked, was about to show up at this investigation.
		He hadn't come yet.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		He was actually on the parking lot roughly this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right, here it comes.
		Let's all listen.
		Number one.
		Here we go.
		I think.
		Come on, number one.
		Play.
unidentified		That poor girl is going to be terrified.
		"Girls!
		You won't go over!" "Girls!
		You won't go over!" "Girls!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You won't go over!" All right, I take it back.
		It was pretty clear to me.
		Ben, come over here, I think.
		Ben, come over here is what it sounds like.
		Now, you serve these up as we go on here, so everybody knows.
		It's being repeated three times.
		And I think you increase the audio in the third version, or how does that work?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the last two, we will amplify it, but that's about it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So what we do is we play everything in context with the investigator speaking if there's one or whoever, you know, just so you kind of understand what's going on at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, one other thing.
		When you're on site, in the mausoleum or anywhere else, you are extra careful about who's around so you don't pick up a random voice.
		Am I correct?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		I mean, we control everything that we do.
		We talked about this, I think, I don't know.
		It was easily years ago where we were doing the mausoleum and you had asked the same question and we said, you know, we make sure to lock the place.
		We actually hired police at one point to come out and make sure that nobody else is around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it is one more time.
		Everybody, listen carefully.
		The part that is the voice from elsewhere is Ben come over here.
		And it's pretty clear.
unidentified		That poor girl is going to be terrified.
unidentified		That poor girl is going to be terrified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, it is pretty weird to imagine that's a voice from the other side.
		And it was pretty loud, too.
		And also it had a kind of a hollow sound like you would imagine an audio would have in a mausoleum.
unidentified		It does.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		There's a bit of an echo.
unidentified		Here's the other thing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, we talked about the spirit box and all that earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That mausoleum is completely encased in marble.
unidentified		You don't get radio reception in there at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but the hollow sound that we heard would suggest that it was actual audio as opposed to something sent straight to a recorder.
unidentified		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I wasn't so much referring to the spirit box as I was to a lot of people's complaints with EVP is that these are radio transmissions that you're picking up.
unidentified		You are not picking up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't see that.
		That's why I'm much more interested in the recorders that have absolutely nothing on them and then have this on them than I am in the spirit box.
		It's something I'd like to investigate, but higher doubts than what we're doing here.
		This is awesome.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You guys are pretty sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, really, you're sure nobody said that.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		We're absolutely.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, here's the hardest thing, Art.
		The only thing that you have to go by with something like this is us and our credibility and telling you that, you know, no.
		And in my opinion, again, it goes back to the spirit box.
		Spirit box is a little bit different because you will have, you know, you'll have, it's almost like a second stage recording where you'll hear the people in the room, you'll get the intelligent response.
		You can clearly tell that it's coming through the spirit box and isn't somebody else that's in the room.
		Again, I'm not a proponent one over the other.
		It's just two different means to an end.
		It's just two different tools in your toolbox.
		With this particular EVP, we were all, there were two females that were in the kind of the entryway area of the mausoleum in the chapel area.
		Everyone else was at the very, very far end, which is thousands of square feet away, not within earshot.
		And there were no male voices around, and there were two females around.
		The only way to give you more context at that point is to play longer clips so that you can hear the audio of the people walking up the stairs, walking into the room, having a conversation.
		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this needs to be said.
		These EVPs, folks, are found by taking the recorder to the mausoleum or wherever you take it and then going home and listening very carefully to hours of tape, hour upon hour upon hour of conversation to find the EVPs.
		The spirit box, on the other hand, is designed to give you immediate feedback, which is scary as hell.
		If you get a contemporary comment thrown back at you from having asked some sort of question, that's really frightening.
		I'm going to do spirit box right now.
		I'm doubtful of the spirit box.
		I'm skeptical.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's one thing when you think you may be getting a radio frequency, but when you have, you know, the last investigation Brandon and I were on.
		We were with a reporter from a TV station here that wanted to cover this.
		And we turned the spirit box on, and the two first words that came out of the spirit box was the C word and the B word and the reporter's name.
		And you know, you know, there's nobody on the radio that is going to be using profanity and using, you know, especially really hard profanity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or not to raise the XM much, huh?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Terrestrial radio.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to get that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's correct.
		Terrestrial radio.
		You're not.
		The other thing that makes me skeptical about the spirit box, and sorry, but I've got to do this.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If somebody wanted to screw with you.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, all you need is a little transmitter in the right range.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it would be so easy.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So easy.
		The way these recordings are done, I mean, I understand why go to the spirit box.
		If you're in a legitimate investigation, of course, you're going to want contemporary responses.
		But what I like about what we're hearing tonight is that there's no possibility of any of that.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're hard to get.
		EVPs are hard to get.
		You've got to go home.
		You've got to listen to hours and hours and hours of stuff to get it.
unidentified		Jimmy said, I mean, it's tedious.
unidentified		It is so tedious.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that's why I don't include any of the Spirit Box stuff because the Spirit Box is simply a tool.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I get it.
		And it would be the next logical place to go for you investigators.
		But when you present something to a national audience, or international audience, actually, like now, trust me, what you're playing for them is much more credible is the word.
		Let's go to number two.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So number two, now, Brendan, this was the Boston funeral home that we did.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		This was a couple of years ago.
unidentified		Yeah.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to hear Brendan's voice.
		You're going to hear him.
		And Brendan's going to say, can you guys tell me what you like to do where you are?
		Something to that effect.
		He says, can you guys tell me what you like to do where you are?
		Asks a question.
		And again, you're going to go back to the child EVP, which, you know, stops my heart every time we capture one of these.
		The child says, I need you.
		You need to hide me.
		Now, nobody heard this at the time, obviously.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And again, this is a funeral home, like, in the middle of the night.
unidentified		There's no kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
		All right.
		Here comes number two.
unidentified		Can you guys tell me what you like to do where you are?
		I want to.
		I want to help me.
		Wow.
		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's clearly a child.
		No question about it.
		A child.
		And you're saying that he says, I need you.
		You need to hide me.
unidentified		Well, we should probably talk about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's talk in one moment.
		I want to do it once more.
		I want people really to hear this, okay?
		Yeah.
		Then we'll talk about it.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Can you guys tell me what you like to do where you are?
		I want you to, I need to hurry.
		I want you, I need to hurry.
		I want you, I need to hurry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I think it says?
		What's that?
		I need you.
		You need to hang me.
unidentified		What?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you bring up an interesting point here, Art, because, you know, every time we do one of these sessions where we're going through hours of tape, it's, you know, pizzas and, you know, snacks and people sitting in coffee, people sitting in a room and then arguing and offering up their own interpretations.
		And, you know, Brendan and Barbara would never agree.
		Ever.
		I know Barbara agreed.
		It came down to me splitting them up several different times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Sorry about this, folks, but one more time.
		This time, see if you hear you need to hang me.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Can you guys tell me what you like to do where you are?
		I want to...I want to hurry.
		I can't...I can't...I want to...I want to hurry.
		I want to...I want to hurry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm hearing.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, again, interpretive, I can hear that as well.
		Yeah.
		It's all about context again.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not even so much that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's what I was saying before.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		This is subjective.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what I was trying to get to before is these are subjective.
		When we tell you what these are about to say, you know, it's human nature.
		You're going to listen for that.
unidentified		I mean, it's the Rorschach test.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		The power suggestion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one thing's for darn sure, that's a child.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that's the key point.
		I mean, you know, we would love to know nothing more than what exactly that voice is saying, but the key is there's a child's voice there that shouldn't be there.
		I mean, it shouldn't exist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's in the middle of a mausoleum, right?
unidentified		No, that was a Boston funeral home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Good.
		Well, still, a Boston funeral home.
		Probably late at night, I imagine.
unidentified		Good.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not exactly the ball crawler McDonald's, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can talk light about that.
		All right, hang loose, guys.
		We're going to take a break here.
		I was pretty sure it said you need to hang me.
		Now, that isn't what I wanted to hear, because, well, who wants to hear that?
		But that's what I heard.
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		wind, the sun, and the rain We can be like they are Come on baby Don't feel the reaper Baby take my hand Don't feel the reaper Will the end of life?
		Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't leave me this way is right, and if you do, I'll be nearby with a recorder.
		This is EBP, Electronic Voice Phenomena, folks, and what you're hearing has been recorded on digital recorders for the most part, and will notify you when it's otherwise.
		Not the Spirit Box.
		Spirit Box is a good subject for another show.
		Spirit Box allows contemporary, real-time communication with spirits.
		These are hard.
		What you're hearing tonight are really hard to do, hard to get, hard to listen to, hard to talk about.
		But that's what we're doing.
		Brendan Cook, Jimmy Chunga, my guest.
		Welcome back, gentlemen.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		I know that this is easier for you, but it scares me.
		We're going to move on now to number three.
		And where was this done?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so this was at the same Boston funeral home.
		It was that same night, but it was hours later.
		And you remember the last voice was a kid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's the thing that scares me.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And this is where Jimmy and I, I think we talked about this quite a bit on, Are these actually kids?
unidentified		Are they demons?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Are they trying to pretend they're kids?
		Because you're going to hear me ask, can you describe what it's like where you're at?
		Which is a common question that I ask, because that's why we're doing this.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're trying to find out what's there.
unidentified		Yeah, where nature or the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		So, can you describe what it's like where you're at?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then this child says, I saw something move.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There might be monsters over there.
unidentified		Which is sad.
		Can you describe what it's like where you're at?
		I thought so good.
		I love you, Mom.
		Wow.
		Wow.
		I love you, Mom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the first part where the child says, I saw something move, that's kind of hard to hear.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a little tough.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That part is, I mean, that's, again, this goes back to what we said.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's a consensus between everybody that listens to this, you know, a hundred times and says, okay, that's what it says.
unidentified		But the last part is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it is very clear.
		And it also, I'm sorry to say, really does sound like something a child would say.
		There might be monsters over there.
unidentified		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And in the context, is that not the most disturbing thing that you have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very disturbing.
		Yes.
		Because that is what a child would say.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're sure.
		And you swear on a stack of Bibles.
		There was no child anywhere near this recording.
unidentified		In a funeral home.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		In the middle of the night.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In Boston.
unidentified		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There was no...
unidentified		God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		One more time.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Can you describe what it's like where you're at?
		I thought something about her dream.
		I love you, Lord.
		I thought something about her dream.
		I love you, Lord.
		I love you, Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's really clear.
		that's too clear it's it's it's I I want to say wrong and like Jimmy brought up earlier I it's it's one of those things where we did this to get answers and we've got I understand I understand I just don't know what answers we're getting, and I don't know if I like them.
		First of all, by number, I don't think that many children die compared to adults to justify the percentage of child EVPs you get.
		What do you think?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that's the thing.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you think about child mortality through history in America.
		Child mortality is not what it used to be.
		But, you know, back in the 16, 17, 1800s, here on this continent, child mortality was considerably higher.
		Just because we're hearing a child's voice doesn't mean it's, you know, of a recently deceased child, it could be, you know, that child could be, you know, could have died hundreds of years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		The ghost phenomena, gentlemen, is it local?
		I ask this because what we're hearing, obviously, is English.
		One would imagine that, you know, children and adults are dying all over the world.
		You don't have to imagine that.
		You know that.
		So we're not hearing French, German, Spanish, Chinese.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We are not simply because we're not putting it on the radio.
		There are, if you go to our site, there are, I would say, at least 30 voices that are in other languages.
		I mean, we've got everything from Polish to Native American to German to Spanish.
		I mean, and it's just...
		Well, yeah, of course.
		I mean, you have to.
unidentified		You'd have to wonder that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But to give you a perfect example of what I'm thinking of, we were investigating an old pioneer museum.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, there's a common knowledge among people that do this that it's not just places that are haunted.
unidentified		It's people.
unidentified		It's artifacts.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		things like that in this pioneer museum it was like I'm And I don't feel anything ever when we do this.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But we got this sense of like burning sausage, which you'd associate with Polish.
unidentified		And yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So when we listened to our recordings, we had this Polish woman singing some song that we've never heard of.
		I mean, and this is contemporary, completely contemporary information.
		She's singing this Christmas song that nobody's ever heard in our group.
		And then I think we played it on your show, actually, and then we had a response from somebody giving us the translation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I remember that.
unidentified		Yeah, and we looked it up, and that was it.
		I mean, that was what happened.
		I mean, that's exactly what that woman was saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's something else that I want to get out to the audience, and that is that although you are experts at doing this because you've been doing it for so long, there's nothing in the world that says whoever's listening right now, if they don't believe this,
		is welcome to go get a recorder, go to a site like this if you have the cojonies for it, and do some hours of questioning and talking and see if you get a response yourself.
		Well, you know what?
		I've said this in years past.
		People have said, okay, I take the challenge.
		I'm going out, and they come back with EVPs that they send to me.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
		And you're right.
		There is nothing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, we're not selling anything again.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We're not, we've considered this as show and tell.
unidentified		That's what we do.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We're going to for our own benefit, and then we show people, and they can believe what they want.
unidentified		And then we say, you know what, go out and get a recorder and do it yourself.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And that's one of those things that's so frustrating to me about people that want to have, you know, they want to offer up, you know, certification or diplomas because anyone can grab an analog cassette tape recorder and go out and try this.
		You know, at the GIS, we don't recommend you do it in your own home.
		That's something we recommend you stay far away from.
		However, it does not require...
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's one of those things where, and again, we talked about this before.
		If we feel you're going to be scared by what we might find, when people call us and say, come into the home and, you know, do an investigation, here's what's going on, our first question is always, if what we find or if what we present to you is going to scare you, what would you do?
		And if their response is, I don't think I could live here anymore, guess what?
		We can't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good point.
		Very good point.
		All right, number four, please.
unidentified		Where?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Number four, we have spent years investigating a location which Brendan and Barbara have mentioned to you before are called the Exchange Building.
		Now we have the Exchange Building here in town.
		It's a stock exchange.
		Stock as in animals, cattle, pigs.
unidentified		Oh, not stocks as in bonds and pieces of paper.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And this was an old building that was built in the 1920s in which ranchers would come into town.
		Or was it earlier than the 1920s?
		Wasn't it, Brendan?
		It was the early teens or something.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's very, very old.
		And the building has been a variety of things in its history.
		It's been an institution for the mentally ill.
		I'm trying to be as politically Correct as I can.
		It was an insane asylum at one point.
		It's also been a drug rehab center, and it's been a hospital, and it's been a variety of things.
		We captured this EVP.
		Sometimes when we do investigations, particularly the exchange building, we'll just set up condenser microphones or digital tape recorders or digital recorders of various types, and then we'll leave the building.
		So there's no contamination, not even our footsteps can be heard.
		And in this track, you're going to hear a woman with, she sounds like she's got an accent, possibly a Hispanic accent, just out of nowhere.
		Again, there's no context to this art.
		There's nobody talking.
		No one is asking a question.
		It's just, you know, a lot of silence.
		And then all of a sudden you'll hear a female voice say, put that thing in his eyes.
		Which is kind of ominous, Sony.
		Yeah, let's take a listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
		Here we go.
		Number four.
		Wow.
unidentified		I could get things in his eyes.
unidentified		I could get things in his eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		There was just silence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's very concerning.
		That's very clear.
		I'm not sure I hear an accent.
		It's quite clear.
		Really?
unidentified		You don't hear any accent at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		Maybe somebody else does.
		We're about to do it again so people can listen.
		But this one has no context.
		It just showed up on the recorder, and it's awfully clear.
unidentified		listen again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you mentioned this was an exchange, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a slaughterhouse.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		But the thing that is weird about that is that she does have kind of a medicinal, clinical, matter-of-fact kind of tone in her voice, almost like she's performing a procedure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll give you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you that, sure.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		But what, you know, the context of it, we have no clue.
unidentified		We don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also, you would have to, well, you don't know, but you would have to wonder.
		Put that thing in his eyes on the other side.
		Well, we don't know what's on the other side.
		We don't know if we have eyes, do we?
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's the problem or question.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the voices that we had got.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think, honestly, out of all the voices we've recorded, one of the most disturbing that we ever recorded was a voice that said plastic eyes.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Hey, in the mausoleum.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		In the mausoleum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And it was, again, it was a contemporary information thing.
		In other words, it was a voice that we had no idea what that meant until we asked somebody and found out.
		And, you know, this voice says plastic eyes.
		And then we go to the mortician and ask, you know, does plastic eyes mean anything to you?
unidentified		He's like, yeah, well, we put plastic eyes in the bodies.
unidentified		I mean, something we would never have known.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that standard practice?
unidentified		Apparently, yeah, we didn't know.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		But after embalming, so that when you go to the viewing, so that the body retains its natural appearance.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Onward we go.
		Number five, please.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so this one, we're going to go out of the exchange building, and we're going now into a private residence that we actually did just about a month ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And there was, I don't want to say demonic, but that's kind of what it was.
unidentified		I mean, we had a lot.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You got to remember, Art, Brendan is the skeptic.
		He tells you, he'll tell you, he'll tell all of your millions of listeners that he doesn't feel a thing.
		But as somebody that's empathic and somebody that works with him all the time, he feels things regularly.
		This was a very dark house.
		Still is a very dark house.
		This family, this poor family, I'm reluctant to even talk about it, has been chased to three different homes over the past 10 years.
		And whatever this thing is, keeps following them.
		And we're still investigating this.
		As we're talking to you now, an investigation is ongoing with this poor family that we're working on.
unidentified		Did they invite you specifically?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		They didn't even invite us.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		They begged.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		They begged.
		And we kept telling them no, and they wouldn't let up because, you know, typically, you know, what we tell people is that when you're dealing with something that's demonic in nature or what is potentially demonic in nature, that's never been human and all it wants to do is hurt, you know, the fun times of ghost investigating are over.
		This is not something you mess with.
		You run.
		And that's all you do.
		You don't mess with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me this family has moved 10 times?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		No, three times over 10 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three times over 10 years, and they've been chased out of their other homes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it's attached to specifically the daughter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		The daughter is grown, by the way.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Not a little girl, but a woman in her early 30s.
unidentified		Right.
		How do you know it's attached to a girl?
		Do you want to explain this, or should you?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I should.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'll be as vague as I can without violating the privacy of the family.
		The father of the family suffered a violent death, was found out on the street with a bullet in his head.
		Police ruled it suicide.
		They don't feel it's a suicide.
		They said he had, you know, no pun intended.
		He had some personal demons.
		And shortly after his death, that's when the paranormal problems started happening with the family.
		They thought it was attached to the house they were in.
		So they moved, and it kept happening.
		And now they're in a new location.
		The kids are, you know, the daughter of the man who was killed, she has her own children now.
		And they're all mortified in this house.
		I have two hours of interviews of these people just sobbing and begging for help.
		And, you know, Brendan was in the master bedroom of, you know, where this woman sleeps and had objects thrown at him.
		We have, And this is the real giveaway here.
		Brendan, who you've known for years, Art, came to me and said, I want to get the hell out of here.
unidentified		I did.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And here's the reason.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we talked about this and we can talk about it later.
unidentified		EVP is not normally heard at the time.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's not when you record this, it's not normally heard.
unidentified		You go back and you listen to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't hear it in real time.
unidentified		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You listen to hours of tape and then you might get one word and that's it.
		So when we were in this house, I mean, I can count on two fingers how many times I've heard an actual audible voice.
		And we're sitting in this house, we're conducting interviews.
		Jimmy had taken one of the, was it the daughter outside to do an interview?
		I had one of, I think it was the mother in the living room doing an interview with her.
		And I'm doing the interview, and all of a sudden I just hear non-serveum, which, you know, I grew up Catholic, so I know what that means.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		That's Latin.
unidentified		Or I will not serve.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Which that absolutely, you know, you talk about hearing EVP in different languages.
		We become really terrified when you start hearing EVP in Latin, which is, you know, a dead language.
		People don't know it, especially in the United States.
		And, you know, unless you're a devout Catholic, you don't really know much of it at all.
		And, you know, when we've got this skeptic in our group that comes running to me and says, hey, we've got to get the hell out of here because, you know, and Brendan, the term for people who don't know, I will not serve was said by, was said by.
		I will not serve in Latin was said to our angel.
		Well, it was said, it was said by Satan.
unidentified		Well, yeah, oh, yeah.
unidentified		Sorry.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I was trying to lead you into that, Brendan.
unidentified		Brendan was ready for a smoke because he said, I'm done.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Where's my dunk and donuts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's play it.
		This is done in the private home you just heard about.
		Listen carefully.
		What you're going to hear is he ate you.
		Is that correct, guys?
unidentified		Yep.
		okay here it comes hmm
		hmm hmm Oh, that is weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, that's weird.
		You know, I do drawn out to hate you.
		Very drawn out with a kind of a thing at the end.
unidentified		And it's breathy.
		I mean, it's almost like whistly.
		Kind of like just wheezing.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And if you listen carefully, you can sense, you know, at least I sense there is absolutely not one redeeming tone in that EVP.
unidentified		I mean, not one redeeming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear nothing redeeming.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's just pure evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I'm hearing a little breakup on your phones.
		That may be coming from who knows what.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's probably me moving around.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please stay close to the base units if you're on a portable.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I apologize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		That's what happens.
		Here it is one more time.
		Listen very carefully.
		It's hate you with a little thing at the end, and it's very drawn out.
unidentified		Oh, here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yuck.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty grim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		here it is You know, if I was in an 18-wheeler in the middle of the night driving across the country and I heard that, I would be a mess, an absolute mess.
		Gentlemen, hold on.
		EVP, the GIS, are here tonight.
unidentified		Drifting on the sea of heartbreak, trying to get myself ashore for so long.
		For so long.
		Listening to the strangest stories.
		Wondering where it all went wrong for so long.
		so If you could read my mind, love what a tale my thoughts could tell.
		Just like an old-time movie about a ghost from a wish him well.
		In a castle dark or a portrait strong, with Jake upon my feet.
		You know that ghost is me.
		And I will never be set free as long as I'm a ghost.
		You can see.
		Dark matter, much like SiriusXN, is all around you.
		To beam up with us, please dial 1-855-REAL UFO.
		That's 1-855-732-5836.
		The music just works, doesn't it?
		Not as long as I'm a ghost, you can see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about EVP electronic voice phenomena, voices from the other side.
		Let's face it, smartphones and tablets really are cool, right?
		They're wonderful, actually, except the audio that comes out of them is marginal at best and mostly terrible.
		And that's because it's not really possible to make a tiny speaker that sounds really good.
		They try their best, and they're good for what they are, but look here.
		You need to get the Sentina Senta.
		I better learn to say that correctly.
		The Senta Ally speaker, Bluetooth speaker.
		Now, this is a device that's about nine inches in length.
		It's oval cylinder shaped, and it's a speaker.
		It's very small.
		It's lightweight.
		It's one of the best speakers for the human voice and great quality audio for playing your favorite music.
		That's right.
		It's great for music.
		So here's what you do.
		You receive the Ally when you order it.
		Yes, you have to pony up $69.95.
		But when you get it, you hook it up by Bluetooth in about five seconds to your smartphone.
		And every song that you play on your smartphone comes out of the Sentinel, which has batteries in it that last for 10 hours.
		And it sounds like a, I don't know, Radio City Music Hall presentation.
		I mean, it's really good.
		This device is amazing.
		Simply out of this world.
		So Bluetooth hookup means you can hook it up to anything you want that has Bluetooth.
		As in your iPad, as in your iPhone, or the equivalent on the other side, whatever.
		Doesn't matter.
		Includes an FM radio inside.
		It has all kinds of inputs and outputs.
		And it's $69.95.
		How do you get that kind of technology for that kind of money?
		I don't know.
		SeaCrane does it, though.
		You can order one.
		Trust me, get one.
		And then everybody you show it to, all your friends will go, I want one.
		That simple.
		You can order now.
		Operators are sitting around waiting.
		The number is 800-522-8863.
		That's 800-522-8863.
		And if you want to visit them online and actually see it, just go to ccrane.com.
		That's ccrane.com.
		Also available at amazon.com.
		All right, here come my guests again, Brendan Cook and Jimmy Chunga.
		Welcome back, gentlemen.
		We've got a lot of territory to cover, and I think we're up to number six, right?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		We are.
		And this is one of the EVPs that we brought for you tonight that is, frankly, it's really disturbing.
		Really, you know, we've played this for people and had them cry because it's just so disturbing.
		It comes from, we actually did not record this.
		And in fairness, we've got to tell you, look, you know, because it didn't come from us, its credibility is questioned by everyone in the GIS simply because we didn't do it.
		You know, we did not record this.
		However, it was sent to us by a family in Texas who was being menaced, wanted our help, and was being menaced, had a little boy in the family that said there was something that was menacing him, hurting him, being mean to him, and attacking him in the middle of the night.
		And the family wouldn't listen to him.
		And, you know, as adults do, as we've all done, you know, kind of dismissed this kid and said, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		Well, he wouldn't let up and wouldn't let up.
		And so the dad finally just said, okay, finally, you know, just I'm going to patronize this kid and just, you know, placate him, give him what he wants.
		So he picks up his video camera and says, okay, give me a tour of your room.
		You know, show me around your room.
		Where does this thing come from?
		And you'll hear in this DVP, you'll hear this little boy that's being attacked by this evil entity saying, you know, this is my baseball glove.
		This is, you know, he's kind of, you'll hear him directing him around the room.
		And then you'll see, this is the TV.
		That's where he comes out of.
		And then the little boy sees movement on the TV that's off.
		You'll hear him, you know, reference the movement on the TV.
		And then you'll hear the demon say, I am your worst enemy.
		I watch you while you sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		Okay.
		Look, my baseball glove.
		No, my old one.
		I have no words out of me.
		I've brought you to me.
		I just saw something move on the screen.
		Well it's not there anymore.
		I have no worse enemy.
		I brought you to me.
		I just saw something move on the screen.
		I have no words than in me.
		Not what you should need.
		I just saw something move on the screen.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And of course, the family can't hear it.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, the thing that really, really sticks with me is that horrible growl at the end of the human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean the family can't hear it?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
		They don't hear the demon speaking as the little boy doesn't hear it.
		The dad doesn't hear it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when this happened, I mean, it goes back to what we were saying about EVP.
		They're not hearing any of this.
		And then can you imagine what a shock that is to go back and hear it?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And the little boy says, you know, I saw something move on the screen, but it's not there anymore as the EVP is coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't like anything that says I watch you sleep.
		All right, one more time.
		Listen, everybody, very carefully.
		I'm your worst enemy.
		I watch you sleep.
		See if you can hear it.
unidentified		Yoke, my baseball glove.
		No, my old one.
		I have no words, I can't believe.
		I've got you to leave it.
		I just saw something move on the screen.
		Come on.
		What's up there anymore?
		Listen to the growl.
		I just saw something move on the screen.
		I have made words, I have made.
		I have brought you to me.
		I just saw something move on the screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, what's interesting about that is if that had been faked, the little boy would not have been speaking over the EVP.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Very true.
unidentified		Right.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Very true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because he had no idea he was speaking over the EVP.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		And it's also the voice that you're hearing.
		It's been our experience.
		We've found that when you're dealing with things that have never been human, that have never inhabited a human body, that voice is very consistent.
		That type, that kind of tembor and tone is very consistent with other entities that we've recorded of similar nature.
unidentified		Well, that's blended more credibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, evil, evil, evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, on to a cemetery.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and back to a kid's voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		Right?
unidentified		So, and this is one of the, aside from a couple of the voices we'll play tonight, this is one of the worst.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Just because it implies to me that a kid is still around and it's still interacting with people, thinking it's still there, thinking he can still do all that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that, to me, is horrible.
unidentified		But yeah, we're in the cemetery.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And this is one of the old analog recording.
unidentified		I mean, this was 99, 2000, maybe somewhere around there.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to hear my wife say, did you just pull down the blanket?
unidentified		And Barbara says, no.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then you're going to hear this little child say, I did.
unidentified		And then, yeah, my wife says, did you just feel like a tug?
unidentified		And Barbara says, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No children anywhere around, right?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
unidentified		Well, it's not even the cemetery in the middle of the night.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		This is a cemetery in the middle of the night in the middle of December.
unidentified		So, again, that's why she's saying, did you pull down the blanket?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Because we used to go out into cemeteries and have blankets wrapped around us.
unidentified		It was, you know, that's what you had to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd want that too.
		All right.
		Here it comes.
unidentified		Did you just pull down the blanket?
		No.
		I think.
		Did you feel like a tug?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I think I did is very, very clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very clear.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A child.
		A child pulled down the blanket.
		Once more.
unidentified		Did you just pull down the blanket?
		No.
		I think.
		Did you feel like a tug?
		I think.
		I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Too many children.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it gets worse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it does.
		All right, this next one should be, I think, pretty interesting.
		There's nothing said before.
		This is, it just said, what it says is, I haven't heard these, it says baby laughing.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this was, again, it's also in a cemetery.
		You'll hear wind blowing.
		This is one of those situations that we were referencing earlier where occasionally we'll put a digital recorder down somewhere and then leave the scene.
		And what we did was we set a digital recorder down on the grave of a baby.
		There's a baby grave.
		There's a little marble lamb kind of carved on top of the grave.
		You get the idea.
		So we set the digital recorder down and walked away.
		You'll hear wind blowing.
		Now, there was some arguing within the GIS, Barbara, Brendan, myself, because some of us say that the baby is laughing.
		Others of us say the baby is crying.
		It's really subjective, and I'm interested to see what you think about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot of mothers out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They should know.
unidentified		Here it comes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy moly.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I'm split too.
		I don't know.
		Is that a laugh or is that a cry or is that just, you know, that could be like a three-month-old baby.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's young.
		I mean, you can tell just from the tonage.
		I mean, it's a young, young child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you sure can hear the wind.
		Here it comes once more.
		Listen very carefully, folks.
		You tell me, all you moms out there, you tell me what is this.
unidentified		You tell me, all you moms out there, you tell me what is this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm reminding you, I warned you at the beginning of this program, I warned you, these things were going to be disturbing, and they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really have the hardest time, guys, believing that the God that we all, I don't know, think of, you know, everybody thinks of some kind of a god who wouldn't allow a child.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a lot of theories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to say.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		There's the theory of residual haunting, which is there's not an actual spirit there.
		It's just, you know, energy almost playing like on a tape loop over and over and over through time.
		And then there's not a sentient being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you confirmed that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you go to the same location, are you liable to get the same EVP again and again and again?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We thought we had.
		At one point, we thought we had been able, and it was at this same cemetery that we thought we had a residual haunting, and it wasn't with this voice.
		I mean, it had nothing to do with this voice.
		Where we would record the same woman's voice over and over and over again.
		And we thought, again, the radio transmission, you know, are we picking up some radio station?
		This is some local host that we don't know about.
unidentified		And then we realized that wasn't the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't hear that in any of these.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If there was some kind of broadcast something, I've done it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've done that once when we used the old recorders, like the old, old recorders.
		And this is again 15 years ago.
		Yeah, we recorded radio stuff, I think, twice, and we knew that.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's very clearly radio when you exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd know right away.
		I'd know right away.
		That's not what it is.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Because they have that voice.
		They have that tonage.
		You know what it is.
		And then when we recorded this lady's voice saying finally, I think it was the eighth or ninth time we had done this investigation, she just said, I'm completely dead.
		And it was like.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Intelligent.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it was a self-realization to her.
		I'm dead.
		You guys are looking for me.
		And then we never recorded her voice again.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And that wouldn't be residual.
		And I'm kind of like you are.
		I really struggle with this.
		I don't know that I believe in the residual thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if when she said you never recorded her voice again after that, I wonder if once she realized she was dead, she moved on.
unidentified		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and that's cliched.
unidentified		I mean, it's completely cliched to say that, but that's the truth.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, once she realized, you know what, I'm not supposed to be here.
		These people are looking for me.
		I thought I was part of them, and now I'm gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
		All right, we have a lot of territory to cover.
		So number nine.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so this is another one that was sent to us.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		If you're ever aware of a book, I can't remember the guy's name who wrote it.
unidentified		It was called Phone Calls from the Dead.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And it was documenting phenomena where relatives would call their, you know, their family after they passed on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And they would literally talk to them.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And this goes back to we talked earlier about Thomas Edison and all that inventing machines to do this.
unidentified		That's kind of the theory behind it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So this was sent to us from Britain.
unidentified		And really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a message that was left on an answering machine.
		The family said they had no phone call that came in.
		Caller ID did not show anybody calling.
unidentified		But all of a sudden this message was there.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to hear the message machine pick up.
unidentified		So it says message something or other, blah, blah, blah.
unidentified		Beep.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then you're just going to hear this gruff man, like, I mean, it doesn't even sound human almost, say they're coming home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was this a voice that people recognized?
unidentified		Yeah, the neighbor.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		They actually recognized that this was their neighbor's voice.
unidentified		I mean, this was somebody they knew that had passed on.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even though to us it doesn't sound human, to them, they recognized it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're listening for their coming home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it comes.
unidentified		It's 4.
		They're coming home.
		Wednesday, 8, 12 a.m.
		They're coming home.
		They're coming home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty clear.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it sounds evil, but I guess it wasn't.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they actually said in their email that this was comforting.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And to hear that voice and the sound, I don't know how you could think that, but because Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No way.
		No how.
		No, one more time.
unidentified		Here you go.
		Wednesday, 8:12 a.m.
		They're coming home!
		They're coming home!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
		Not at all comforting.
		Not at all.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's a little bit different than Buzz and Woody jumping back in the toy box, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad it's late at night.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		All right, number 10.
		There's a location that's in Salt Lake City, and it was settled by Mormon pioneers, and we have this big, you know, I don't want to call it a, it's a park, it's a state park where historical buildings and, you know, artifacts of the era are kind of on display.
		It's called This is the Place State Park.
		The reason it's called This is the Place is because when the leader of the Mormons at the time, a guy by the name of Brigham Young, who's a university, you know, BYU, he was the prophet of the Mormon church.
		He came down through the mountains with hand carts and wagons and looked over at the Salt Lake Valley and said, this Is the place.
		So that's why they call this area, this park, this is the place state park.
		You're going to hear Brendan in one of the buildings, which, by the way, the place is just incredibly active and very, very haunted, both by good and bad.
		There's a lot of really very dark and kind of yiki stuff that we've encountered there, which is strange because it's actually a religious park.
		But Brendan is having some trouble in this EVP.
		You'll hear Brendan struggling with his radio, which is a common occurrence there.
		There's a lot of energy drains there, a lot of drains on batteries and equipment.
		And you'll hear Brendan say, you know, does this radio work?
		You'll hear him kind of messing with it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		To be fair, I mean, this was me because it's such a huge place.
unidentified		We had to have radios.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So I was trying to radio people constantly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And there's actually an EVP that precedes this that we didn't bring tonight that, I mean, you hear, it's like a two-minute long clip of me just having trouble with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then this one is kind of right after.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, it's the rubbing salt in the wound kind of thing where it's just completely mocking me.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you hear a voice say, I don't like you.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's messing with Brendan's radio intentionally because the spirit that was inhabiting this area did not like the fact that Brendan was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it comes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 10.
unidentified		Hello.
		Okay.
		Does nobody's radio work?
		Oh my.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it looked like I heard a squelch break.
		So obviously you were messing with the radio or somebody, but that's not where this voice came from.
		Very clearly, it is not where this voice came from.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I did not, when I said I was in that house, I did not hear that at the time.
unidentified		I heard the radio messing up.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And at one point, it's almost like the spirit box thing again, where we talked about it.
unidentified		And, you know, we heard different voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you don't find these until hours and hours and hours, if not days later.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, exactly.
		And so, I mean, all that happened.
		And then all of a sudden, it's just, I don't like you.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And then the only way that EVP could have been better is if it said, me don't like you, because it sounds just like Cookie Monster when you listen to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cookie Monster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here it is.
unidentified		Hello.
		Okay.
		Does nobody's radio work?
		Oh my.
		But I don't like feel.
		But I don't like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's actually a good thing that you didn't hear that at the time, or probably if you were like me, you'd have been the heck out of there.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not even...
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you can hear in my tonage, like, how upset I was getting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard it.
		I heard you.
		Yes, yes, I heard that.
		The I don't like you part?
		Not good.
		Not good at all.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		So we leave a private residence, and now let's enter a mortician's house.
		Great place.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Which, you know, is technically a private residence, but it's different where the guy is preparing bodies all day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not my kind of private residence.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		This clip is probably the one clip that has absolutely changed my entire view of everything we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It really is, because it is, I mean, again, I rationalize everything.
		try to rationalize everything.
		And I could rationalize this even just to make myself feel better that everything we've recorded is radio transmission, or it's I know, it isn't.
unidentified		But it makes me feel better to say that it is, especially with some of the stuff that's been said and what we've heard.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But this one, I mean, there was a visual thing, and this is one of the only visual things I've ever had happen.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
		Is this the one with the little boy?
		This is the first apparition Brendan has ever actually seen.
		This was the first time he ever saw a full-blown apparition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe it, please.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was, we're in this house, and, you know, morticians, believe it or not, actually make a lot of money.
unidentified		So they can afford really nice houses.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So this guy's house is like a four-level, you know, magnificent house.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And when we went in there, there was only four of us, and we each took one of the levels.
unidentified		So we had somebody in the basement, somebody second floor, somebody third, somebody fourth.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I was on the floor with the huge living room and the fireplace.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And right over the fireplace in this living room was this gigantic wall mirror.
unidentified		I mean, it covered the entire wall.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I remember walking in there, and this is another analog one.
unidentified		I mean, because this was 2003, I think.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I remember walking into this room and just seeing this mirror and being kind of in awe of it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to hear me say, is anyone here?
unidentified		You know, again, the standard question.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then all of a sudden, you're going to hear a boy say, I'm a good boy, which later we found out most people think he says, I'm Gabe.
		And then at that point, I see him like running behind me.
		There's no kids in this house.
unidentified		There's none.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We tell everybody on every investigation, you can't have anybody under 18 to be with us.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and so you actually saw him.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		But the problem is, is that he was running away from Brendan, but his head was turned around.
unidentified		It looked like his neck was broke.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		So it wasn't just a little boy, it was a damaged little boy who was staring at him as he was running away.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Does that make sense?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, unfortunately.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we asked the mortician, had he worked on any kids that had had a broken neck.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And he said, like, a year ago he had, which, you know, we didn't correlate because, you know, it's a year ago.
unidentified		But here it comes.
		is anyone here?
		No way.
		I'm again.
		No way.
		I'm again.
		No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No way.
unidentified		Well, and who said no way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brendan.
		Brendan, okay, that's Brendan's voice.
		So you hear, I'm a good boy, Brendan saying, no way.
		I assume that was when you saw him?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was responding to what I just seen in the mirror, and then the kid laughing right after I did that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, one more time.
		Now listen very carefully.
		No way is Brendan in response to seeing this apparition.
		Here you go.
unidentified		Is anyone here?
		I'm a girl.
		No way.
		I'm a girl.
		No way.
		I'm a game.
		No way.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a wow.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was, like I said, this is the one clip out of every well, there's one other clip that has just changed my entire view of what we do and how we do it and what I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever come to the point where you said, that's it, no more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not doing this anymore?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Not yet, but I've been close.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It was, you know, when we were at that private home, when we got, you know, audible EVP of, you know, something speaking Latin and throwing things at us, that was the only time since 1999 where Brendan has actually come to me and said, look, I can't, we've got to get out of here.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I can't do this.
unidentified		I did.
unidentified		I mean, I forced everybody to leave.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't want to go.
		I thought we, you know, Brendan and I had a little discussion.
		I thought we could handle it.
		And, you know, he was absolutely insistent that we not stay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barbara had a much more much more optimistic view of all of this.
		She tried to sort of temper everything, even when some of the worst things were said.
		She did.
		She tried to be optimistic.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, again, it's not like she's not here or she's not doing this.
		I mean, she's still a part of all of this.
		It's just she can't do it as much right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 12, folks, we're going to move on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bram House, whatever that is.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		The Bram House is, again, this is one of those rare times.
		You know, keep in mind that we're showcasing a lot of EVPs here tonight, and a lot of them come from very evil and dark places.
		And it's actually very, very rare that we ever investigate anything like this or that we ever accept an invitation to investigate anything like this.
		But this was a house where the inhabitants, the women inside, were practicing witchcraft.
		They were witches.
		Yeah.
		And there was a lot of kind of dark ceremony going on in there.
		And they were dabbling in kind of, you know, black magic sounds so corny, but they were dabbling in some pretty dark stuff.
		And it wasn't long after they started doing this sort of thing where they started having some real problems in the home, waking up with cuts on their bodies, waking up with scratches, deep scratches, not just, you know, scuffs and things like that, but scratches or cuts or drawing blood.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and at one point, their altar, I mean, I don't know enough about witchcraft, I think, but I guess they have an altar that they have to have in a certain position.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		They woke up one day and it was destroyed and thrown all over their living room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am familiar with people who work in the craft.
		All right, so the actual EVP here is anyone here.
		Now, who says that?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're going to hear me say, is anyone here?
		Does anyone want to talk to me?
		And then there's going to be this kid, and this goes back to what Jimmy was saying about kids not being, you know, kids.
unidentified		And this kid says there was blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
		All right, here it comes.
		Stand by, everybody.
unidentified		Is anyone here?
unidentified		Do you want to talk to me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's awfully clear.
		Very, very clear.
		There was blood.
unidentified		And again, it's clear it's a kid.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything in the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if there were people practicing the craft, there could have been, I suppose, sacrifices that went on.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that's what I thought, you know, because you're in...
unidentified		and that's not what we do.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We don't take that out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		It's coming up once more here, folks.
		Understand that what you're hearing is the result of hundreds of hours of work listening to basically nothing until you get to one of these EVPs.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Anyone here?
unidentified		You want to talk to me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Am I right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hundreds of hours?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Actually, you're probably wrong.
		It's thousands.
		I mean, at this point, like, the way we've done this, it's so tedious.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, as the years have gone on, we've found ways to kind of streamline what we do.
		We're very careful to do what's called tagging.
		And that's, you know, when you're walking through a house, you know, any sort of noise that you make is identified by you on the recorder.
		So you hear footsteps, you say, that's me making footsteps.
		Or I hear Brendan talking in another room.
		I'm careful to say there's Brendan talking in another room.
		Because then you go back hours after the fact, and rather than spending 20 minutes listening to something and then finally determining, oh, that's Brendan talking in another room, you're able to just move on.
		So over the years, we've really been able to kind of trim that down, but it is still very, very tedious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would the two of you, you know, earlier in the program, I suggested people try this for themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any danger in doing this?
unidentified		Yes, there is.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, danger as far as are you going to be killed?
		No.
		But danger in the fact that could something follow you home, that's certainly a possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has something ever followed you home?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had something very dark, very malevolent, hurting my son.
unidentified		We both have.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Brandon has too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, that's going to discourage people, and maybe it should.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It should.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It should.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, because, I mean, it makes you think, is this something I want to do?
unidentified		I mean, we, again, this is show and tell.
		We're not proving anything to anybody.
		We just want to present what we have.
		If you question it, we say go out and do it, but realize if you go out and do it, I mean...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like an invitation.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		What is the consequence of doing this?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, in order to really be effective at this, you really do kind of need to, well, there's no kind of about it.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You really do need to open yourself up to allow contact to be made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that the same thing you do with a Ouija board?
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		You know, I had a woman ask me just a couple of days ago, what's the difference between using a Ouija board and using a digital recorder?
		Or what's the difference between using a spirit box and using a Ouija board?
		And my only answer is that a lot of people will say none.
		I say that the difference is that operating a Ouija board, the theory behind it is that an entity has to inhabit your body in order to move the piece around the board.
		These other items, the entity will, as I was talking about at the beginning of the show, if you weren't here listening to us, we have video of light anomalies and orbs actually flying into the device or the flashlight or something in order to manipulate it in some way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which you promise to bring in the next time we do a program, right?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know we'll have that on the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number 13, please.
unidentified		Okay, so this is at the same house.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And it's just me asking, you know, after we did the interview with these ladies and they told us how bad this had become, I'm, you know, I'm asking the spirits or whatever is in that house.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying, did you scratch that lady?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you do that?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then this just horrible old man's voice says, to cause her pain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it comes.
unidentified		Did you scratch that lady?
unidentified		Why would that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What'd you do?
unidentified		What did you do, Virg?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		To cause her pain.
		Not perfectly clear, but clear enough.
unidentified		Yeah, it is.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's muffled, but I mean, it's pretty, syllabellically, it's pretty clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that, and you think that's an old man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does kind of sound like an old man.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it sounds like an old man.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Did you scratch that lady?
unidentified		Why would that?
unidentified		What did you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's bad intentions all the way.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		These are pretty rough tonight.
		I did ask for scary stuff, so I guess I got what I asked for.
		All right, we're going to move on now to a happier place, I guess, an antique shop.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		You think happy?
		This is actually one of our more sad.
		I don't know if I would call it scary, but definitely one of our more sad EVPs.
		Again, it's another child's voice.
		It takes us to...
		You know, anytime you get into an antique shop, you know, where you've got a lot of memories and a lot of that type of energy around, it seems to me that hauntings seem to be a little bit more prevalent.
		Well, we were in this place, and you hear Brendan say, you know, it's a very familiar question, can you tell us what it's like where you're at?
		And then you hear a very sad little child say, I didn't eat today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and think the consequence of that.
unidentified		I mean, that they're on the other side hungry, having all that, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Can you tell us what it's like where you're at?
unidentified		I'm not eating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I didn't eat today.
		I think I'm over time for a break here, so uh, let me do that.
		You're listening to dark matter and voices from the other side.
		Clearly, I believe that.
unidentified		Some will be morning when I stream.
		I'm gonna open up your gate and baby.
		She told you about Phaedra and how she gave me life and how she made it in.
		The Sunbelt mordered when I was three.
		Sometimes we will treat the crown of leaves.
		Maybe I should look at me, dressed in ribbons here.
		When I was called the breath of the moon, you would move it out the night.
		The shadows of the trees appear beneath the lantern light.
		Want to take a ride to call Dark Matter with Art Bell and be part of the Sirius XM's VLS Very Large Signal.
		Please call 1-855-REAL UFO.
		That's 1-855-732-5836.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very large signal is certainly correct.
		Hi, everybody.
		Across the Americas.
		Great to be here.
		You're hearing voices from the other side.
		This is the GIS, the Ghost Investigators Society.
		They've been with me for years, haven't been around for some time.
		We're just laying it out for you.
		These are recorded on digital recorders for the most part with microphones and nobody around so that there's no mistaking what's being recorded.
		All right, gentlemen, welcome back.
		I blew right through a break.
		I got so interested.
		Here we are, and we're going Victorian, I guess, huh?
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I say Victorian.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's an old, you know, Victorian mansion or like late 1800s style architecture.
		And we have done this location, I would say, 20 times a week.
		This is one of the weirdest voices we've gotten simply because, again, the context of what I'm saying and what the voice says.
		But you're gonna hear me say, Are you by yourself?
unidentified		How big are you?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then a voice says, She knows you're alone.
unidentified		Which I was at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea or thoughts or guesses about who she might be?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I almost don't want to, yes.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Are you by yourself?
		How big are you?
		Little girl.
		Little girl.
		Little girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		She knows you're alone.
		When I was young, we lived in a place called Blue Ridge Summit, Pennsylvania, or Maryland, depending on how you want to look at it.
		The state line and the Mason-Dixon ran right through the middle of our house.
		And it was a big old house with 35 rooms, seven bathrooms, and secret passageways that were used for the slaves that were escaping.
		It was part of the whole train that allowed slaves to make their way north.
		And we had secret passages all over that house.
		It would have been such a wonderful place for you all to go and do some recording.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I'm salivating.
unidentified		Yeah, like now we're kind of jealous, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She knows you're alone.
		Okay, I'm going to do it once more so everybody gets it straight.
		Here it is.
unidentified		Are you by yourself?
		How big are you?
		No girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that had a very interesting affect to it, a kind of a whooshy, it's hard to describe, a kind of in-and-out phased sound to it, I guess that's the way I'd put it.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		We have noticed that that weird phasing that you're talking about usually accompanies virtually every EVP we get.
		It is, you know, and I struggle with it.
		I can't tell if it's the spirit drawing energy out of the actual device itself or if it's the energy surrounding the device that the spirit is using to speak.
		I don't know, but you get that weird warbling and phasing effect in almost every EVP we've encountered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that weird?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something about perhaps coming from wherever it's coming from.
		Yeah, and to be honest, we don't really know, do we?
		It's just coming from over there somewhere.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that's the thing.
		I mean, how will we ever know?
		I mean, again, we talked about doing this to try and get answers for things, but now we have more questions and it's almost like we've learned less.
		So, you know, maybe I should start asking what that is, and hopefully I get a response one day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about we put it this way, in the form of a question?
		Everybody fears their own mortality to some degree or another.
		What does all this, when you combine it together, make you think about your own mortality and what you're going to...
		Or is what we're hearing what you get when you die?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, the quick answer, Art, is, I don't know.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know that anybody could really accurately tell you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an honest answer.
		You're right.
		How could you possibly know anything?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, we have theories.
		People have theories.
		I try not to have theories.
		You know, the arrogance of humans.
		You know, we can use a fork, therefore we know everything.
		Well, we just don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 16.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		This takes us back to, this is the place State Park.
		Now, again, you must remember this is a Mormon-run and funded state park.
		We used to go there quite frequently.
		We don't go there anymore because Brendan went on national TV and said there was something demonic in there.
		So we haven't been back.
		Imagine that.
		But we did get an awful lot of activity while we were there.
		This is Brendan saying, I'm going to walk down and try and find Brian, who was a GIS member, says, I'm going to walk down and try and find Brian.
		Let me look here.
		Timestamp is 8.23.
		So at 8.23, I am now leaving.
		So it's kind of a long, you know, a long sentence from Brendan.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		This is me tagging.
unidentified		We talked earlier about tagging audio and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so this is me tagging this.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And again, because there is something very, very dark, both Brendan and I have had some pretty malicious and malevolent run-ins at this place, and you'll clearly hear a very dark and deep voice say, get out.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's that classic haunted voice, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it comes.
unidentified		I'm going to walk down and try and find Brian.
		So let me look here.
		Timestamp is 8:23.
		So at 8:23 I am now leaving.
		Good homes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't need any more encouragement than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, fortunately for you, you didn't hear it at the time, and it sounded like, frankly, you had already gone.
unidentified		Well, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I heard a door shut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard a door close, right?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, because I was leaving.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But I've done this so much.
		Even if I had heard it, I would have stayed at that point.
		If you remember the radio voice that we played earlier where I was getting so upset at the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I would have stayed just simply out of spite.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		But see, that's Brendan.
		Where Brendan says, hmm, that's interesting.
		That's the same time when Chunga fills his pants.
		And that's the beauty of having different members in a group like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		We're going to walk down, try and find Brian.
		So let me look here.
		Time stamp is 8:23.
		So at 8:23 I am now leaving.
		Good old.
		Hm.
		Good old.
		Good old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The That's horribly clear.
		Yeah, that's all I'll say about it.
		It's horribly clear and horribly direct.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I would say it's probably the fifth or sixth voice that we have been told to get out.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It happens, but imagine how many times you've left a building and that has happened behind you and have no idea.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Or anyone else, you know, as you're driving across the country or whatever.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		How many times?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can only imagine the expression on Brennan's face when he found that later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Much later.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		On everybody's face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're going back to the exchange.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, and this is where it starts getting not good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean everything up to now was a love fest?
unidentified		Well, it's been okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, from an EVP point of view.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So in this, there is not going to be any, we're not going to repeat this voice over and over again like we do, you know, twice in a row.
		There's no context.
		This is one of those instances where we left a recorder in a room by itself and pretty much left the building at this point.
		And, you know, you go back on audio a day later and look at the spectrograph, you know, to see that's kind of how we do it, is we look at the audio.
unidentified		We don't even listen to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand, right.
unidentified		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So we go back and do this, and there's just this thing that it's this kid saying he touched my face over and over again.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And it kind of also goes back to the baby voice that we played where we couldn't decide if the baby was crying or laughing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either way, it's very disturbing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this one, everybody kind of thinks it either says he touched my face or he cut my face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it is.
unidentified		coming up.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		You know what I wanted to hear, and I'm going to play it again so that I can decide.
		I'm trying to decide if the inflection is the same each time.
		What do you think?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think it ranges, actually.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like he's just progressing.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		He's pleading.
		It's not the same thing being run over and over again.
		He's pleading for somebody to understand him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got you.
unidentified		all right here comes Oh yeah.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		That was very clearly a change, a big change in inflection.
		And you're right, it was increasingly pleading.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he just says it over and over and over.
		And that's why we said, you know, this isn't looped.
		We didn't.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And I want everybody to take a moment and lock that voice into their memory, that little kid's voice, because that leads us into the next EVP.
		Now, the two EVPs were not recorded together.
		And I don't know if you're prepared to run that art, but I just want everybody to remember that little voice there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Remember that little voice there.
		I need to take a break more ways than one.
		I had a cigarette.
		I was still smoking.
		I light up about now.
		This is Dark Matter, exclusively on Sirius XM Radio.
unidentified		This is Dark Matter, exclusively on Sirius XM Radio.
		This is Dark Matter, exclusively on Sirius XM Radio.
		This is Dark Matter, exclusively on Sirius XM Radio.
		World's on fire, no one could save me for you.
		Strange world design make foolish people.
		I never dreamed that I'd need somebody like you.
		I never dreamed that I'd lose somebody like you No, I don't wanna fall in love No, I don't wanna fall in love With you.
		To be part of Dark Matter this night, please direct your finger digits to dial 1-855-REAL UFO.
		That's 1-855-732-5836.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how are you doing?
		Hanging in there?
		Here's the deal.
		We've got about four more EVPs to do.
		However, wicked indeed.
		We're going to open the phone lines now.
		My God.
		Sirius XM is wonderful, isn't it?
		A nice, clear signal so you can hear this.
		All of this all the better.
		little levity, sorry, required.
		So I'm opening the phone lines right now.
		If you have a question or a comment, the number is 855-REAL-UFO, 855-732-5836.
		Let's continue with number 18 coming up next.
		And you said, remember that voice.
		It's burned in, no problem.
		What's number 18?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, number 18 is, without a doubt, one of the top two most disturbing and heart-wrenching EVPs I've ever heard.
		It's also, to my knowledge, one of the longest EVPs ever recorded.
		Typically, when an EVP is recorded, it's one word or just a few short words or maybe a really short phrase.
		This EVP is nearly a minute and a half long.
unidentified		Wow.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		In its entirety, which is an eternity when you're talking about EVPs.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It was recorded in that stock exchange building that we were, you know, I was telling you earlier that this thing got its, you know, its birth as a stock exchange building and talking about livestock, cattle, and horses and the like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		In its lifetime, it was a variety of things.
		It was an insane asylum, and it was a small hospital, and it was also a rehab facility at one point.
		There had been numerous deaths.
		There was a mass murder there at one point.
		There was a bunch of suicides.
		There's been a lot of agony and trauma and pain in this building.
		We recorded this EVP, and again, this is just incredibly sad to listen to.
		I want to warn everybody ahead of time, very, very sad to listen to.
		It is, what you're going to hear was recorded in a room that was once a surgical suite inside this building.
		Keep in mind, there is no running water.
		There's not been any running water in this building since the early 1970s.
		We set up a laptop with a condenser mic in the surgical suite, which is on the main floor of this building.
		And we left.
		Brendan, Barbara, the other members of the GIS and I left the building.
		And we had, Brendan, how long was it?
		About 25 minutes of silence.
unidentified		Yeah, easy, easy.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You can hear, you know, random cars passing in the back.
		And then this happened.
		And it is absolutely stunning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it we're going to hear?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		It's the, boy, there is no tactful way to say this.
		It is the drowning of a little boy.
		And the voice sounds eerily similar to the EVP that you just heard.
		If you listen carefully, you can hear two adults, what sounds like a male and a female to me.
		And you'll hear a little boy repeating over and over and over again, I can't breathe, I can't breathe.
		You'll hear splashing around, banging on the side of the tub.
		And then you'll hear a woman say, he can't breathe.
		And then a man in a very dark, foreboding, very evil voice, you know, say, he can't breathe.
		And then you'll hear a very deep thud, and everything goes silent.
		Here it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it is.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to play that one again.
		You know, hearing the voices was very difficult.
		There was hum in that recording, which is too bad.
		Clearly, though, the water, that was easy to hear.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, when we first found that, we listened to it as a group, and there wasn't a dry eye in the room as we heard that.
		In fact, there was a debate between Brendan, Barbara, and myself as to whether or not that was ever going to see the light of day.
		We almost just erased it and said, you know what, that's too much.
		That's way too much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Barbara, who is not in favor of this angle of the whole thing, I would have imagined, probably would not have wanted to play that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		She didn't.
		No.
		She didn't at all.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And it was really me pushing them to try and get it on your show and on my show that she kind of begrudgingly agreed.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		But even Brendan was opposed to it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was kind of realizing, you know, we do this for a reason.
unidentified		I mean, we treat these ghosts as people.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's how we've done this.
		And then to hear something like that, you can only hope that's a radio station.
		And it goes back to my whole thing of rationalizing this.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know, that's no radio station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		No, no, no, no, no, no.
		Number 19.
		Yeah.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so number 19, this is in the same building, And you hear me drop my recorder, and it was actually for the time, this was 2005.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It was an expensive digital recorder.
unidentified		And you hear me say, oh, well, that can't be good.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then all of a sudden, this woman just says, he broke my neck, which we later found out that happened in that building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And she doesn't sound too happy.
unidentified		Yeah, she is very, very upset.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Number 19.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very, very clear.
		He broke my neck.
		Now, do you know if there was some kind of crime?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah, yeah.
		There was absolutely a crime in that building.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There was, I mean, this place, like Jimmy had said, I mean, it's everything from a stock exchange building and stock livestock to, you know, mental institution.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There was a double homicide.
unidentified		There were suicides.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we found out one of the homicides was a guy breaking a woman's neck.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So you could almost consider this contemporary information because we didn't know that at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here it is one more time.
unidentified		Oh, I can't be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you want a show for Halloween, you might want to record this one and have sort of a family night in the dark on Halloween.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 20.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Number 20 is really simple.
		Also in the same building, it's just a woman humming.
		You know, it requires really no more than that.
		Again, no one was around.
		You just hear a woman humming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just going to get whatever you get, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's it.
unidentified		here it is the the the the
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what my comment is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least she sounds happy.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, the interesting thing about that building art is that when you go into the exchange building, because I think the last thing it was commercially was a methadone clinic and involuntary rehab center, basically.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And you'll see messages of what I call medicated optimism scrawled all over the walls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Medicated optimism.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And you can tell that they're on something and just these random messages of somewhat delusional messages of hope.
		And so when we got that humming, it sounds to me, again, you've got that weird kind of phasing and that weird kind of warble as she's humming.
		But it sounds to me like she's just kind of zoned out and she's just hopped up on methadone or something and just kind of mumbling slash humming to herself.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's almost like you can just picture the woman walking down the hallway kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		I want to turn the audience loose on YouTube, but we've got one more here and then a quick break and then we'll go to the phone.
		So number 21, the last one we've got tonight.
unidentified		Okay, so this is a private residence.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we had to say this is a private residence.
		So I can't even tell you where it's at because, yeah, we were kind of forced to.
		But it's one of my, again, standard questions that I ask when I go out.
unidentified		I'm just saying, how old are you?
unidentified		And then this woman says, he's so little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it is.
unidentified		How old are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me do that one more time.
unidentified		A little more volume.
		How old are you?
		Struggling.
		Struggling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there, you've got it.
		We're going to go to the phones.
		855-REAL-UFO Come get it.
unidentified		Sweet peace of late of the end.
		I do deserve the world that is empty.
		Everybody is looking for something.
		Everybody is looking for something.
		music Listen to the wind blows and the windows.
		Run in the shadows, damn your love, damn your life And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again I can't feel it, hear you say it, you will never break the channel with me You're listening to Dark Matter with Art Bell.
		For you to really matter, please dial 1-855-REO UFO.
		That's 1-855-732-5836.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Several have noted that we have played some of these EVPs previously.
		There's no question about it.
		I asked specific, for a very specific reason, that they be a mixture of old and new.
		The reason for that is simple.
		Everybody has to remember that we're now on Sirius XM.
		We now have a new audience of, I don't know, 27 million people, something like that.
		So obviously, in trying to get some up to speed and allow the audience to enjoy some of what has transpired in previous years, I wanted a little bit of both, and that's what we got.
		It was kind of a mixture of the old and the new.
		Gentlemen, welcome back.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you ready to take some questions from the audience?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they sure do have them.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, here it comes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dark Matter, you're on the air with GIS.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Art, this is Eddie in Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Roswells from Belgab, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I record music and record voices for a living.
		So I wanted to ask your guests how they explain how the EVPs take on the reverberation and the sound of the room if the EVPs aren't actually being recorded or being heard by the human ear.
		Well, you know, Eddie, this is Chunga.
		It's Jimmy.
		I also am in music production.
		That's what I do.
		That's kind of my day job.
		And, you know, my answer, Brendan may certainly have a different answer.
		My answer is I don't know.
		That's why it's called a phenomenon.
		It's because we have absolutely no clue as to why the echoes and the sound reverberations can be picked up other than they're just speaking at a frequency that our human ear can't hear.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that's the thing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we've said this for years.
unidentified		We don't know.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Again, it's a phenomenon.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		To explain, especially in the mausoleum, because it has that high marble walls and the cathedral paths.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that implies, though, that it was actual audio, that it was actually reverberating off the walls.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		And also, Art, the recorders, they record the same frequency that the human ears can hear.
		It's 20 hertz to 20,000 megahertz, or 20 megahertz.
		So the human ear can hear that.
unidentified		And so the recorders can hear that as well.
unidentified		That's the point.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		How do you explain it?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		How can you not hear it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Look at the hundreds of people that have done it and just say, okay, well, I didn't think this existed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think that really for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, for those who are skeptical, I say go get yourself a recorder.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		At this point, you don't even have to get a recorder.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you use your smartphone to do it.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even your smartphone, I don't care, although you probably need more volume to listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess with headphones, it'd be a bit more.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, headphones.
		Yeah, you're that's that's how I've been listening to him, Art.
		And with the Fidelity through Sirius, I mean, it's really uncanny how much you can pick up, especially the first three that you did.
		It sounded like the EVP, the voice, wasn't even taking on the reverb characteristics of the room at all.
		It sounded like they were in a dark chamber, and the investigator's voice sounded like it was in a plate or a hall in a much smaller room.
		Which I thought, well, how can that be?
		And then the later ones, you know, the last 15 or so you did, the voice, the reverberation sounded almost exact to a lot of that has to do with, I mean, the difference in what we're using, I mean, how we're recording stuff.
		The ones that were played later were, there were more traditional analog recordings in the later EVPs that you heard.
		The ones that we played first were some of the newer, more digital ones.
		But again, that offers no explanation whatsoever.
		So do you guys believe that the digital is better than the analog as far as recording EVPs?
		Or have you noticed a difference?
		Usually with the audio artifacts and things, especially with the digital stuff.
		Let me tell you this.
		I know people that will drop hundreds of dollars on really top-end digital recorders.
		And it's been our experience that, you know, the traditional cassette tapes and lower-end digital recorders tend to work better simply because they don't filter out as much white noise.
		So it allows us to kind of differentiate a little bit easier.
		But again, that doesn't mean that the higher-end stuff isn't going to pick things up.
		We use a very expensive condenser mic and we get lots of data from it.
		So again, we can't really point to one thing that works better than another.
		They're just kind of different.
		Do you guys process the EVPs at all?
		Or is there any type of processing with the digital recorders as far as bringing the noise levels down or any compression or things like that that might add artifacts?
unidentified		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, the only thing we do, I mean, we process as far as taking out any white noise that might be there.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The mixer didn't take out.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		But what about the recorder?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you're recording them.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Like, the recorder stuff, yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We had to process that, especially when it was analog.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, because you have the motorhead.
unidentified		you have moving parts that are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I could actually hear the motorhead in one of them.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You could tell that was the older one.
unidentified		Yep.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, and also to keep the credibility of the GIS, there's something that I feel I have to tell you, because this is my occupation is, you know, using, you know, Pro Tools and Ableton and, you know, a lot of these different software programs, because that's my occupation, I don't actually do this.
		All of this stuff is actually done by Brendan.
		I don't touch it at all because I don't want anybody to get the crazy, you know, to think that I have in some way, because I'm a professional at it, I've in some way manipulated anything or over-processing it.
		Yeah, so I don't touch it.
		I don't touch it at all.
		It's all done by Brendan, who does not do that for a living.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		The voices are what they are.
		And as I said, if you're skeptical.
		Go try it.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Go try it for yourself.
		Now, we've done that in times past, and inevitably I get all these people coming back to me in email, sending me EVPs, telling me, oh, yeah, people don't realize this goes back to the beginning of sound, Alexander Graham Bell, and on from there.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like what we said before, where, you know, people say, well, you're skeptical and hey, you know, we tell them go try it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then they say, well, you guys have some kind of companionship or partnership with Sony, and that's why you're telling us to go try it, because then we're going to go out and buy a Sony recorder, and we're going to, You know, you can't win.
unidentified		And we don't want people to...
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You want to know something, too?
		I'm going to throw you kind of a curveball here.
		This goes back to, you know, back in the days of vaudeville when they were trying to find ways to amplify voices in theaters, they would use copper wiring that would run down through the perimeter of a theater.
		And they would try to find, I don't know how much you know about this, but, you know, actors would report hearing voices picking up EVP off of this copper wiring, out of this reaction in theaters.
		And so, you know, the reports of EVPs and this phenomena going on goes way back to before there was any sort of electrified sound.
		And it would, you know, challenge yourself.
		Go read this stuff and grab a tape recorder and go out to a cemetery and just try it on your own.
		And when you do that, it's like somebody opening up the window shade to an entirely different world when you know yourself that there was nobody there with you.
		And yet you have to.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dark matter, you're on the air with the GIS.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes.
		Hello, Art.
		It's a great honor to speak with you and your guests.
		I want to reference a couple things from Whitley Streever's book, The Key, in regards to why the dead come through as children.
		The one reference is the acts of life affect the appearance of the dead in every tiny detail.
		Everything is imprinted upon the soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you don't have a very good connection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say that again, please.
unidentified		I'm sorry, I'll say it a lot clear.
		The acts of life affect the appearance of the dead in every tiny detail.
		Everything is imprinted upon the soul, often in surprising ways.
		Most dead appear as innocent children, longing for central lives and hoping that the body will be sparked at system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, yeah, that seems to be spot on.
unidentified		Were you gentlemen aware of that?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes and no, because that's a very common belief.
		However, there are many common beliefs with regard to children and the dead.
		You know, some people believe that, you know, when you dye your soul, your persona, your visible appearance looks as though you're in the prime of your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Dark Matter, you're on the air with GIS.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, hello.
		Yes.
		I'm Ernesto.
		Nice to meet you, Roswald and everything.
		Thank you.
		What I wanted to say was I actually had an experience that one of those rare ones with my sister.
		So it was verified, you know, and it was actually, it was, you could say an EVP, except we did not record it.
		And instead, we heard it live in the room.
		It was really odd.
		She had some loud music on, electronic music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You heard it live in the room.
unidentified		Yes, a voice.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Which is very rare.
unidentified		Yes, and what is really interesting is it sounded very much like your demonic samples.
		It was really interesting when you said that and you played some of those.
		And what happened was it sounded like a very large whisper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not an expert on cell phones, but you sound a little demonic yourself right now.
unidentified		Here's the connection.
		Hello?
		Hello?
		I'm so sorry about Put Trump Bluetooth.
		Okay.
		And so what happened was I had said some remark, and that was very strange because also it was in a way responding to my remark.
		It was something like, we had just moved into that new house, and I had said, oh, maybe things will be okay now.
		And at that moment, I was looking out a window, and a voice, very large whisper that was demonic a bit, said, what makes you think you're okay?
		Like that.
		And at the beginning, part of that sentence happened.
		I thought it was my sister, so I was turning back toward her, but I thought it was so odd.
		And as I looked at her, I noticed she Was turning toward me in the same way with the same look on her face, like, what is that?
		And it was between us.
		So, we even tested it after that, and she kept replaying the same song five seconds, ten seconds before, but it never had a voice.
		It was really strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, do I appreciate that story?
		That's pretty wild.
		It kind of goes back to that private residence that we have you two heard of out loud EVPs before?
unidentified		Yeah.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		A lot of times.
		Well, they're not common.
		I wouldn't call them extremely rare, but we've gotten a lot of activity where you can visibly, or I guess audibly, I should say, hear screams or yells or footsteps.
		I investigated an old hospital out in a small town called Towilla out here in Utah.
		And it had just shrieks, a woman just shrieking as though she was being attacked.
		And it was recorded on audio, but it was also audible to our ear as it was happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Dark Matter, you're on the air with GIS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Arn, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Can you hear me okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Okay.
		I have a question.
		Okay, from California.
		I have a question for the guys.
		Back in the 70s, I used to see Ghost as an older kid.
		I'd say I was about 10 years old.
		I don't see him anymore, and I don't know the reasoning for it because I used to see him a lot.
		They always be interested in my younger brother in his crib.
		I'd always wake up and see him.
		They knew I could see him.
		They were always interested in him as a baby, but I don't see him or hear anything anymore.
		And I'm just curious if it's something that you lose or what was the reason of being able to see him at one time and then never having that thing again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, gentlemen.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing.
		When you're younger, and I've talked about this I don't know how many times you are trained to, I mean, not trained, but you don't trained is really the way to put it.
		Yeah, that's kind of it.
		I mean, when you get older, you get trained not to see certain things.
		You get trained you're going to be crazy or judged as, you know, when you're younger, you're innocent.
unidentified		don't know that that shouldn't exist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so your mind does what it's been trained to do and rejects them.
		And that's why, you know, the wormhole, for example, I'm getting these messages as we go on.
		There are some people who just come on and say, it's baloney.
		I don't believe one word of it.
unidentified		Well, of course.
		How could they?
		Well, that's how I started this.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, one thing that I've worked really hard on, Art, is teaching Brendan.
		You know, to answer this guy's question, yes, you can get it back.
		You can get it back very, very easily.
		And one of the things that I want to try and just kind of really, really impress upon people is that, you know, if you think that you don't have the ability to do this, first of all, everybody does.
		Some people have more ability or they're more in tuned and can do it easier.
		But, you know, go back to Marlon Perkins' Wild Kingdom or watching animals in the wild on National Geographic or something.
		Have you ever noticed how you'll have a pack of Impala or Antelope and they'll all bolt and dart at the same time?
		And as mammals, we're on this earth as mammals, as animals just like everything else in the kingdom.
		And we're blessed or we are genetically imbued, whatever you want to call it, with certain sensitivities and certain instincts that we arrogantly devolve as we age.
		And those sensitivities can very easily come back.
		And I have found that the more investigating you do, the more in tune you become with the spirit world and the easier it becomes over time to feel this stuff.
		And even Brendan, you know, the guy who I've seen objects thrown at him.
		I've seen things hit him in the head, lights, and, you know, I've seen attacks on this man, and Brendan will dismiss it as though it's nothing.
		Even he, the eternal skeptic, is starting to come around and come to me and say, you know what, I'm really feeling uncomfortable.
		You know, what is it that I'm feeling?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got people to talk to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dark Matter, you're on the air with the GIS.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		Okay, so here's my question.
		I'm curious to know if as a child I had an entity in my home, and I wasn't the only one who saw it.
		My mom had seen it.
		My family had seen it.
		I'm curious, years later, having think that I have discovered who or what that might have been, is it possible to have something like that attached to someone that you will meet in the future?
		Oh, yeah, that I have not heard of.
		I mean, that's a first.
		Yeah.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		We don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Good answer.
		When you don't know, that's the best answer.
		It really is.
		And in this field, you just can't know.
		Dark Matter, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Thank you for such a great show.
		I don't know whether to turn it off or.
		I understand.
		One interesting, freaky, spooky show you guys have, and I thank the two guests for going out and gather this stuff.
		And I got two quick questions, and I'll hang up a quick.
		But have either one of you ever experienced, before you heard the audio on it, Either a room temperature difference or some presence in the room where you got the recording.
		And have you ever had anybody actually identify one of those voices, like the woman that got her tech broke?
		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So I think number two is on the ID.
		Well, yes, clearly they identified some of the people who had specific injuries or mortal injuries in this case, right, guys?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we've identified family members that know who.
unidentified		I think it was voice number three.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, actually, I think it was voice number five that we played, the answering machine recording.
unidentified		Right.
		Right.
		And people identified that as big or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What about the temperature?
		What about temperature change?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Constantly.
		Constantly.
		Yeah, this is one of those things that it goes back to that.
		You know, the short answer is it goes back to what I was talking about before where, you know, I didn't even realize that I was somebody that was empathic and sensitive to this kind of thing until we'd been investigating for a while.
		And I was recognizing things before the gear was.
		I was recognizing temperature changes and things like that before the equation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much of a temperature change have you seen?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, 20, 25 degrees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hot and cold, both directions.
		We found that usually the more dark and the more malevolent the entity is, the hotter it gets.
		Really?
		Yeah, and the other way around.
		If it's a fairly benign entity and harmless and just kind of interested in you, it's cooler.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dark Matter, you're on the air with GIS.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		My question is, you guys are talking a lot about the EVPs and stuff like that.
		My question is the physical.
		Have you guys had anything physically happen to you?
		And I, yeah, like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is clearly yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we just heard that Brendan had things thrown at him and hit him in the head and on and on and on.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I've been scratched three times on my side, on my ribs.
unidentified		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We have had things, and again, this is my rationalization of all this, trying to figure out how things could have happened where I'm physically having things thrown at me.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, Jimmy just said the exact same thing, that I had something hit me in the head and I said it was a bat.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		When I have it on camera, it is a light bulb being thrown at it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But, yeah, I rationalize it as it was a bat that hit me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, next show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bring the video.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dark Matter, you're on the air with GIS.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Bark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, sir.
unidentified		My question was, me and my wife were wondering if we went to cemetery where our friends have been buried, which they haven't passed away very long.
unidentified		If it would be a good idea to put a recorder out and try to get answers, or should we just let time pass and then go up and do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you got a response, would you want it?
unidentified		Yes and no.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So I would say no.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		If your answer is yes and no, that pretty much means no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you really ought to think about what you want before you go get it.
unidentified		Exactly.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		You know, the great rule of thumb here is if there is any doubt, there is no doubt.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Don't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would agree with that.
		Hello there.
		You're on the air with GIS.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Arf.
		This is Glenn from San Francisco 73s to you.
		Hey, Glenn.
		Hi.
		I was wondering if your guests had, well, I have a few ideas about eliminating any RF or radio interference getting picked up by their audio recorders by using a small copper Faraday shield and placing it over their tape recorder.
		And that would almost give them some confidence as far as not having any RF signals getting picked up and only the audio from the audio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent, excellent, excellent point.
		All right.
		Guys, you know what a Faraday shield is?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would certainly agree with him.
		If you had a Faraday shield around the recorder with pretty tight mesh, I would say you could be absolutely certain.
		But, you know, reflecting on what we heard tonight, I wouldn't hear in radio.
		There's no way.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, and again, if there was, if there was, I mean, if there's anything that's even, if there's a shred of doubt, then we'd debunk it.
		It's gone.
		You know, we're very, very critical of our own work.
		We're far more critical than you guys are of our work.
		And if we felt it was necessary to use one of those shields, we definitely would.
		But we just don't find it necessary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can see it could be done as sort of a safety factor.
		But again, having listened to what we heard tonight, there was no way that was radio.
		No way.
		You're on the air.
		Dark Matter with GIS.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello?
		Hello?
		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		I had a question about one of your locations.
unidentified		And I don't know that this is something you can give out on the air, but by any chance, the stock exchange building that y'all visited, is that by any chance the Fort Worth Stock Exchange in Texas?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		No, sir.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not in Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I can understand that you want to keep a lot of these places, particularly private residences, secret.
		And I suppose even this exchange, you really don't want to let people know where.
unidentified		Well, and here's the thing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's not even so much us.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I wouldn't have a problem with people going to these places.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		We'd actually encourage it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, we got to a point where there was one location that we had done.
		Originally, the owner had said, okay, you know what, talk about it, go ahead, promote it, whatever it is.
		And then they sold it, and the lawyer actually called for the new owners, saying, remove every reference to that location possible, like everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we talk about this.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so that's where we're very careful about saying anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, such things affect real estate markets, don't they?
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they do.
		And you also get break-ins.
		You know, not everybody has the best intent, and not everybody's very respectful when they come out to do this kind of thing.
		And, you know, one window and one rock, and you're in the building.
		So people get very nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dark Matter, you're on the air with GIS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, would that be me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would.
unidentified		Oh, great.
		Yeah, I just wanted to ask the guys while they were doing recordings of DVDs if they've ever felt a presence.
		The reason why I ask is because occasionally, sometimes I feel a presence around me, and it's kind of like a really eerie feeling.
		And I've been in places where I know people have passed away before.
		And one time, this was like I was at work, and I'm outside, and it was like in the middle of the night, and I had this very eerie feeling, and felt like I had a finger run down my back.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		It was a presence.
unidentified		Well, and here's the thing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's the difference, I think, between Chunga and I, is I am the last person that will feel something.
		I have felt something twice, and that's pretty much it.
		I have had something pretty much scratch slash slap me, and then the boy episode that we played tonight.
		Other than that, I don't feel anything.
		Something could beat me on the head, and I would not feel a thing.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Whereas I can pick up, you know, we had a bit of a problem with me about a year ago where I'm at the point now where I can pick up entities that are trying to pose as something else when they're lying or being deceptive.
		And that doesn't necessarily mean they're demonic, but, you know, we ran across a male older entity that was trying to pretend like it was a little girl on EVP.
		And I called it out, and all hell broke loose.
		It got really, really bad.
		And, you know, so it really varies upon the person and their own individual willingness to accept what they're feeling and sensing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dark Matter, your turn with GIS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Yes.
		Hi.
		Art.
		Roswell.
		Yes.
		Okay.
		I have a nice story for you, and it was a good one.
		My husband passed away, and he and I made a vow that if we could, we would try to contact each other.
		And so when he passed away, a few months went by.
		I never felt sad.
		I always just waited to see if he would come to me or somehow get in touch.
		And one day, my daughter and I, who I was not really tight with, we were sitting in the kitchen in a very quiet house.
		And she got up and left the room, walked into the next room, and we heard this, ah, and I sat and looked around because it sounded like it went through the whole house.
		And yet it was still right next to me.
		And I turned around and looked in her direction in the next room, and I said, was that you?
		And she said, I was hoping it was you.
		And then we hardly talked about it.
		She still doesn't like to talk about it.
		But I felt that it was my husband because he knew that I always wanted to be closer to my daughter.
		And maybe that time he took advantage of that moment.
		I don't know.
		But then my father passed away the same year, and they sent my mother to live with me.
		And she was in her 90s.
		And she and I are sitting at the kitchen table.
		I was never close with my, I was close with her, but we lived, she was on the west coast, and I was on the east coast.
		And we were talking, and we heard the same, huh?
		And we looked at each other.
		She had this deer in the headlights look in her face.
		And I said, Mom, relax.
		That's Bob.
		Because he used to call her the wicked witch of the West.
		And as a joke, I mean, he really cared about her.
		But I said, Mom, that was Bonnie.
		And he's letting us know that he's happy that you're here with me and everything's fine.
		But I will tell you that that sound went through the whole house again.
		And it was in my, like he was right on my ear.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's very interesting that a lot of those audible EVPs that you can hear with your own ear, they're almost directionless.
		They're everywhere and they're nowhere all at the same time.
		They're very difficult to pinpoint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, gotcha.
		Hold it right there.
		We've got a final break and then more questions.
		And what a show.
		GIS on dark matter.
		Sirius XM in action.
unidentified		Doing all right.
		A little jiving on a Saturday night.
		Come walk me.
		Gonna die on the day's way.
		Gonna die on the day's way.
		Can't ever see.
		Can't ever see.
		I've had nothing but that love.
		Since the day I saw the cat at the door, so I came into you, sweet lady.
		Since when you missed this, it's XM, baby, and we're very serious.
		To call Art Bell, please manipulate your communication device and call 1-855-REO UFO.
		That's 1-855-732-5836.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is our pleasure to be here with you this evening, GIS, the Ghost Investigators Society.
		And it's been quite a night.
		Gentlemen, welcome back.
		We've got a very short amount of time, so I want to squeeze in people who've been waiting, if that's all right.
		Here they come.
		Dark Matter, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, this is Mark from Parma, Ohio.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just fine, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		I'm enjoying the show immensely.
		And currently, I'm in Gary, Indiana, because I do drive a truck, and thanks for the shout-out there for being driving an 18-wheeler.
		My comment was I was out in a log cabin with my wife, and we had built a fire out in the back, and I started taking pictures of the fire.
		And I had seen the movie A White Noise, and I thought, wouldn't it be interesting if old Indian spirits would come through the fire and show their faces or something like that?
		So since then, I've been taking lots of pictures of fire.
		Now, I can't say that I've ever seen any clear faces or anything like that.
		But I was just wondering if the guys had ever thought about trying something like that, like setting up a flame and using a camera with a high shutter speed to see if they can catch any still animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, it's a really cool question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, that's a visual version of EVP.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, it is.
unidentified		But here's the problem.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we've talked about this before, the subjective nature of EVP.
		When you do something like that, you're getting into what's called pareidolia.
		It's when you look at clouds and you make faces that, you know, you see a bunny in a cloud.
		It's the same kind of thing.
		So, yes, there could definitely be something there.
		I'm not going to discount it and say there isn't, but at the same time, from our perspective, what makes our EVP work is when it's contextual, I mean, it responds to us, or it's contemporary, or it means something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm with you all the way.
		To me, even though the content of the EVPs is subjective, there's nothing subjective from my point of view about what we're hearing.
		I know what it is.
		Trump 2086 says, people are so desperate to believe in something, we'll just grasp on to anything and hold on to it as the absolute truth.
		In other words, you've got a real skeptic there.
		But I'd say after listening to all this, if you're still skeptical, then you're listening.
		Hello there.
		You're on the air.
		Dark Matter with GIS.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I got to start by saying I'm highly skeptical of ghosts and everything.
		But with that said, my fiancé moved into my house here four months ago.
		My mother died last year.
		Now, she says that, well, she was sitting at the computer one day and something blew in her face.
		And that's happened on two occasions.
		But she came home from work one day and heard yelling inside the house.
		And as soon as she walked in, it stopped.
		But other times she says she's actually talked to ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I love it when somebody calls up and says, I'm highly skeptical of any kind of ghost stuff and then tells us a ghost story.
unidentified		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's how I was going to answer.
unidentified		You know, I am highly skeptical, but there is always a but.
unidentified		Well, I think it's good too.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		I think it's good to kind of walk that line.
		In order to be willing to believe, you've also got to be willing to not believe.
		You've got to get that barometer right there in the middle.
unidentified		Exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, I know that better than anybody because I've been doing this for how long?
unidentified		And I still not sure I believe how long.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Well, your barometer is more towards I don't believe, but yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really think what we've heard tonight is really good evidence of something that just is very disturbing.
		And I don't know what it is, but it's certainly disturbing.
		Listen, guys, do you have the website?
		Do you have a website up?
		You do, right?
unidentified		Yes.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		We've got each one.
		We've got ghostpics.com, G-H-O-S-T-P-I-X.com.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		Lots of VVPs there that you can also go to, jimmychunga.com.
		You can follow us on Twitter, DJJimmyChunga, The Deviant Cook on Twitter.
		And we're constantly talking about things going on with regard to investigating and the paranormal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I want to thank both of you for being here tonight.
		You're leaving the lines completely full.
		I'm sorry we're doing that.
		For those of you on hold, I'm sorry.
		So, gentlemen, thank you.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Have us back.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we told you.
jimmy chunga ▲ ● ▼		We'll take more calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, later.
		Yeah, we've got calls and calls and calls and calls.
		All right, everybody, take care.
		It has been kind of spooky, frankly.
		Really spooky.
		And I was glad to be able to present it to you with the clarity of satellite radio.
		Now, I don't know if that served you to be more informed, or perhaps a little more scared than you were previously, but it is clear.
		Don't forget, we've got the Arts Parts.
		Arts Parts.
		That's coffee mugs, t-shirts, that kind of thing.
		Just got it start the other day, but it's at artbell.com.
		Once again, it's called ArtsParts, and it's at artbell.com.
		Between now and tomorrow, I hope you all recover and have a great night.
		It's been my pleasure.
unidentified		ciao Midnight in the desert, and there's wisdom in the air.
		I've been looking for the answers.
		All my life I found you there.
		Of the world we live in, but then are we heating up the sign?
		Have we lost our intuition?
		Are we running out of time?
		Midnight in the desert.
		Then we're listening.

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